A Dollar General store robber and the Aurora gunmen are two radically different scenarios. A dark theater full of chemical irritant and hundreds of screaming terrified people with a heavily armed gunman wearing body armor and black tactical clothing is a far cry from a couple of street thugs in a store. NYPD in shooting a gunman on the street also managed to hit multiple bystanders and they are far better trained in combat shooting than your average CCW holder. That said I agree with you it's a shame the Aurora shooter wasn't taken down

I know some innocent people who are very uncoordinated. I don't think you would want to be in a room with them while they have a concealed weapon. No joke.

LSCWquilter: The gentleman was said, by his wife, to be a competition shooter. If a competition pistol shooter, he probably does a 900 or 1800 match. In that match, there are long range slow fire, and shorter range timed and rapid fire sequences. I suspect his training clicked in. Very bad luck for the criminal.

However, most people do not realize, that that NRA actively helps the state governments in hunter, marksmanship & safety training. So there are places where those people you mention, could become safe and competent.

What if you stopped asking hypothetical irrelevant questions? Zzzzttt-consider yourself tased, bro.

OK. 6 ft. tall named Henry. That help?

He had a rag on his head and shouted "Allah O Akbar"

It is better to be judged by a jury of 12, than carried by 6.

LSCW, obvioulsly have no idea on how to shoot. Everyone is taught to aim center-mass (chest for you slow people). The police, and military are taught that basic concept.

LSCW....This "Sympathy for the Devil" way of thinking is the main reason this country needs us as citizens to STEP up and protect each other as law abiding, tax paying, charity giving, sick and needy helping, hard working people who are against criminals. Anyone can do and be anything they want to be in this life. People need to start realizing. If you choose crime...you may possibly be choosing death.

What trial? Shoot this POS in the leg? How stupid are you? Very, apparently. Rule #1 - when you point a gun at someone, it should be to neutralize the threat, killing them if necessary, not to scare them or wound them, which would only piss them off. You go for the best probability kill shot - center of mass, not the head. Why don't you try ducking out during the course of an armed robbery? You wouldn't get ten feet before you got shot multiple times. All armed robbers should be killed on the spot if possible, without exception. How many armed robberies have resulted in witness executions by the robbers? More than you'd ever want to think about. Me, I'd laugh myself to sleep every night remembering it, if I were the guy who smoked this loser. I might do that tonight even though I wasn't involved.

Are you saying that people who carry concealed weapons have the same authority to use weapons as police and military?

If theirs or someone else's life is unlawfully threatened...ABSOLUTELY!!!

LSCW, what do you want to do, give someone a little flesh wound so that they have time to shoot back at you?

You're wrong about vigilante justice. If the robber had dropped his weapon and the stolen goods and walked away, then shooting him would amount to vigilante justice. But to stop a crime in progress and potentially save an innocent life (as you say, how could you know if the robbers would shoot or not?) is a noble deed.

Finally, what do you mean it will come out at trial? There will be no trial. I don't know about Florida, but here in Texas, you don't go on trial for shooting someone who needed killing.

LSCWquilter

Anyone robbing a store is going to be nervous and trigger happy. They might have been robbing the clerks, but they would have had an eye on the customers. They were probably rounded up near the registers. Any movement to try to get away would have started the shooting. No doubt, the customer saved more than one life.

Also, you go through training to get a conceal/carry permit. People who do this, (I will say mostly, there might be one out there), are not gung ho to go out and shoot some one. They are just trying to be pro-active with their own and loved ones lives. But like fire insurance on your home, you hope and pray you will never need it.

I'm sure all the customers and clerks in the Dollar General store are really glad that he WAS pro-active.

100% of the time? Ok so who was the armed citizen to save the day in Aurora, or Virginia Tech, or for gods sake Tucson AZ (hardly an anti-gun state)?

This marks exactly ONCE that things went the way the pro-gun crowd claims, versus the how-many-dozens of times it hasn't.

Cameron,

You sound pi$$3d 0ff that someone used the weapon and prevented a crime and injury/death of innocent people. Perhaps this is exactly ONCE that someone stood up to the dead robbery "suspect" and that made the difference. As you can tell by my screen name, I am from Jacksonville and way too many times people who rob using a gun, usually shoot the clerk etc. so no witness can ID him. Too bad you live on Sesame Street with Big Bird et alia!

Ok so who was the armed citizen to save the day in Aurora, or Virginia Tech

Hmm, those were in areas that don't allow guns in the first place, and we all know that criminals didn't become what they are by following the law...

for gods sake Tucson AZ (hardly an anti-gun state)?

In that case, the CCW carrier didn't get there in time.

The gunman was then tackled to the ground by 74-year-old retired US Army Colonel Bill Badger,^[26] who himself had been shot, and was further subdued by Maisch and bystanders Roger Sulzgeber and Joseph Zamudio. Zamudio was a CCW holder and had a weapon on his person, but arrived after the shooting had stopped and did not use the firearm to engage or threaten the gunman.^[27]

This marks exactly ONCE that things went the way the pro-gun crowd claims, versus the how-many-dozens of times it hasn't.

Well, this one happened in July and was caught on tape no less:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-internet-cafe-shooting-20120717,0,303528.story

NBC didn't even bother to cover the story despite the dramatic video, also in Florida (Ocala).

LA Times doesn't have the video anymore. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrz3-C23-T0

If they were armed, there was intent to use. Never assume otherwise or you'll end up dead.

This good citizen shot a lot fewer bystanders than the police in New York did last week.

You don't give the bad guy the choice of whether you live or die. To deny him that choice, you have to kill him. Get it?

Cameron, pay attention to the news story "a competitive marksmen" in target shooting, you always go for center mass, as in middle or "Bullseye" center of target (human or otherwise).

Again, what's with the ONCE? Are you anal retentive? First clue, the bad guy went down and bystanders were not injured.

"This easily could have ended with innocent people getting killed in the crossfire, or escalated the robbers to start shooting when they hadn't originally intended to, or a hundred other terrible ways."

And the CCW holder could have tripped getting out of his car and skinned his knee, the clerk could have called in sick, and the robbers could have decided they were too hung over to get off the couch, or could have decided to actually get a job...

You sound disappointed that something bad did not happen. CCW holders are taught that they are legally responsible for every bullet they fire - and that they can be prosecuted for innocent bystander injury. They are also taught not to be sheep left to the wolves and defenseless. He chose to be a sheep dog with teeth, charged with taking responsibility of protecting himself and the public from the wolves. Good on em'.

What you don't seem to understand is that every criminal that carries a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime is presumed to have intent to use it - or else they would not carry it. Why is that assault, robbery, etc always carries stiffer penalties when a deadly weapon is involved, eh?

Ocala FLA, last month. Two armed robbers storm into an internet cafe, one armed citizen shoots back. All caught on tape. See what happens:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-internet-cafe-shooting-20120717,0,303528.story

LA TImes doesn't have the video any longer. Here it is on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrz3-C23-T0

Your sympathy and compassion, although commendable, are directed to the wrong people. The victim(s) here are the people who had to endure the crime against them. Not the person who was shot for threatening their lives for I'm assuming some measly tens or hundreds of dollars.

Petty thieves do not carry weapons. Armed criminals do. What up, Grampa, was the perp your grandson? If so, your grandson AND your opinion were DUMB.

If you read the article, you'd know that the "petty thieves" were armed, and were threatening to kill one of the clerks.

According to the report, the customer -- a 57-year-old grandfather -- and two store employees were inside the Dollar General store Monday around 9 p.m. when two armed men entered the store with the intention to rob it.

"One of them had the clerk and one of them was at the front cash register,” Lt. Rob Schoonover of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office told Jacksonville.com.

The 57 year old grandfather was totally justified in shooting the robbers.

Hey Grampa,

How petty do you think it will be when an armed robber puts a gun to YOUR head? My guess is that you'll be terrified that he'll pull the trigger. Will you tell your friends afterward that you were the victim of petty crime or will you tell them that you've never been so scared in your life and thought you would die? Maybe you won't get the chance to tell your friends and family what it felt like...if you know what I mean. Armed robbery is NOT PETTY! Just in case you can't imagine what it would feel like I hope you get to find out someday....without getting killed of course.

Good Day.

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