As much as I am a supporter of women's choice, ADOPTION IS AN OPTION!!

I don't understand why she had it in a HOTEL ROOM? Unless she couldn't afford the hospital bills.

Would have cost society a LOT less to go ahead and pay for her birth, than to pay for her 3 hots and a cot for 5-10 years for manslaughter.

Sounds like a real liberal Democrat success story.

Sounds like a massive assumption.

Spider, that is not true. No one would consider this a success story. Not by any stretch. There are very few people who think abortion is a good thing. Most pro-choice people advocate for sex education and birth control to AVOID unwanted pregnancies in the first place, so that there is no need for abortion. I am morally against abortion, could never have one myself, but I could not tell a woman who was raped that she had to give birth to her rapist's child. Yes, the mother's "welfare" is important. She's the one who has to live with whatever decision she makes.

There are very few people who think abortion is a good thing.

I agree with everything you said, except I'd go a step further and argue that no one thinks of abortion as a good thing. It is sometimes the lesser of two evils, and this woman and her heinous act is a perfect example of that.

Janine, was she claiming she was raped? I didn't read that anywhere here.

She didn't want anyone to know about the baby? Well, she did a pretty poor job of disguising her pregnancy then. Did you watch the video? Others knew she was pregnant...it's kind of obvious most of the time.

Adoption should 'always' be the first option? I'd say CONTRACEPTION should always be the first option. Especially in the case of a hooker who hasn't had prenatal care and has no concern for the damage she's doing to her unborn child by drinking, smoking, and whatever else she did.

Spider, you just couldn't leave politics out of this could you? Abortion is not, nor should it ever have been, or become, a political football. It is a very personal and PRIVATE issue. I do not understand how a woman could carry a fetus for 9 months and just throw it away once it is born. Like previous posters have said she could have placed the baby for adoption. But those are my beliefs and not hers and neither she nor I have the right to impose them on the other.

Upon reading further I should take a few more of the posters to task. This is not about politics, but the mind set of the woman who threw a baby away like trash.

So Spider I owe you and apology, it is you and a whole bunch of other posters who couldn't leave politics out of the equation.

kaybeetoys

Well gee, fellas... maybe if sleazy men didn't buy the sexual services of women like her .....

kaybeetoys

Especially in the case of a hooker who hasn't had prenatal care and has no concern for the damage she's doing to her unborn child

I missed that part of the article where it says she's a hooker. Could you point it out to me?

All this could have been avoided with just one simple aspirin... or so I've been told.

WinWin4All As a person who once flirted with the relgious rightfreaks and eoconism, BUT saw the lite, I so agree.

It's called a baby aspirin ,I think

I missed that part of the article where it says she's a hooker. Could you point it out to me?

Watch the video.

WallStFatCat

Behind the veil of civility, we live in an America where too many women can be as heartless, vicious, brutal, and immoral as this woman. We have become members of a barbaric-baby-killer savage society.

OR...we live in an America where too many men use hookers and never concern themselves with the possible consequences. We have become members of a self-righteous pack of religious hypocrites, bent on destroying one another instead of helping each other.

I don't know of any FREE abortion clinics most charge at least $100 and I'm sure one night in a sleazy motel cost less than that.....maybe she was too far gone to have an abortion when she realized she was preggers or maybe she changed her mind and decided that she didn't want the baby after all.....she's obviously dumber than a box of rocks to think she could fool a hospital about what really happened to her.....the obvious question to me is why are peeps like this allowed to breed in the 1st place.....SMFH!!!!

She didn't get pregnant all by herself. Who was that Republican? ;)

BOOM! LMAO! Get em Kaybee!!!

JC in G

There you go again with your extremist lies. Neither party, republican nor democrat has ever approved of killing a full term and delivered baby. Neither party said either parent has the right to choose death as their given right for a delivered baby. Your extremist lie simply shows even the republicans that you extremists have your own agenda and just use the right wings to hijack their party and voters.

Me and my Wife waited 11yrs, putting ourselves through college, having a home, and making sure we had done all the prenatal stuff.

Throw this lady in a dumpster, ADOPTION is an OPTION !!!!!!!

kaybeetoys

I missed that part of the article where it says she's a hooker. Could you point it out to me?

Watch the video.

I don't normally watch the videos. Usually they are just some man/woman on the street interviews by the local TV news, with no corroborating information from the police.

• Hospitals now days have a no questions asked policy if someone wants to drop off a newborn they do not want. WTF is going on in this scumbag chicks head to do what she did. That poor little kid had to suffer tremendously man. Just because a newborn doesn't know what's going on yet doesn't mean they cannot feel pain. RIP little dude....
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• Yup, took 3 posts to get all the political BS rolling. WTF is it with you people anyway?! It actually makes you look like a total A-hole man. Stick to the story and stop using "ANY" story to get your political BS out there. It's not working...

well put Queenie,and how true it is.Maybe they should start doing what they do to animals after 90 days if nobody whats them or clames them they put them to sleep or put it in a nice way youthinis them.

One of the righties on here might wish to inform your candidate Willard that his 'personhood' position is not going to help him win this election.

Fetuses can't vote.

W.T.F.101

well put Queenie,and how true it is.Maybe they should start doing what they do to animals after 90 days if nobody whats them or clames them they put them to sleep or put it in a nice way youthinis them.

I have NO problem with the current system of foster care I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Pro-lifers.....they are PRO BIRTH and NOT PRO LIFE!!!!

PRO BIRTHERS: don't want u to have abortions but they won't pay for health care or birth control or even pre-natal care ir even god forbid SEX EDUCATION....and they sure as well won't pay for universal daycare so that mom's can get a job.....they'd rather berate moms for being on welfare and having an unplanned pregnancy and getting food stamps....HYPOCRITES!!!

I don't normally watch the videos. Usually they are just some man/woman on the street interviews by the local TV news, with no corroborating information from the police.

Well, bill, that's where we differ, I guess. I like to take in all the information available and decide for myself whether it's factual and relevant or not.

Kudos CreekDog, I was wondering hte same thing. In Tx, there's something called Baby Havens, drop a baby(thirty days or younger) off at an designated site, usually hospitals or firestations, and walk away. No questions, no problems. Was there no service like that in FL?! Though Ive never needed that service, even I know its there!

And all you republicans favor killing the life after the birth with all the wars you start in other countries as well. It makes you feel safer or as some people I heard state while growing up, "a thinning of the herd".

@the queenie,

let me guess what color you are....hmmmmm,................"GREEN" right!?

Just askin'

The article did not say whether the baby was born alive or already dead. If it was already dead when born (which can happen - esp if she did not have medical help) then maybe she panicked and didn't know what to do with the baby. Maybe she was afraid to go to the hospital with a dead baby because then she would be arrested. (which ended up happening anyway.) The article did not say so I think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions when we don't have all of the facts. Fear is a strong motivator for doing wrong things. No matter what the reason the baby died, it is still very sad. And I agree with bdjb - most people would have applauded her if she had an abortion, yet turn around and condemn her for possibly killing her baby, whether on purpose or accidentally. Seems hypocritical to me. Kill a baby when it can't be seen = acceptable. Kill the baby when seen = most of you condemn the woman. And ... where is the father? As usual, he gets off scott-free.

Creek Dog

@the queenie,

let me guess what color you are....hmmmmm,................"GREEN" right!?

Just askin'

I'm white...what's ur point???

Samantha-1783461 I know of NO one who applauds abortions and I'm as PRO CHOICE as one gets so try again sweetie!!!

The trick is to limit UNWANTED PREGNANCIES but PRO LIFERS don''t seem to want to do that.....u know like Sex Education and free birth control for starters.......SMFH!!!

Witch23

@the queenie and W.T.F.101 maybe you should be aborted. The first choice to stop unwanted pregnancies is to keep your legs closed.

Yep spoken like a TRUE Pro Birther....really is that all u got...thanks 4 making my point....

If it is inconvenient to go get an abortion, simply throw it away after it is born.

Since she didn't get an abortion, my money's on her being a republican. Her actions are typical of republican thinking; we care about you when you're a fetus, but once you're born you're on your own.

What if we drop the unproductive rhetoric of partisan politics? What if we call this exactly what it is?!? A woman made a choice that is both immoral and illegal. PERIOD! Abortion is a crime against nature, but we don't punish those in this country. If we did we would have to punish EVERY citizen that has more than enough while some children go without - just as much a moral evil as abortion. The law allows the murder of unborn children (called abortion) but does not allow a newborn to be thrown into a dumpster. In case you are wondering which side of the aisle I would be on, I am a liberal democrat with conservative values. I am pro-choice which does not make me pro-abortion. . . If God gave his children the right to choose heaven or hell, why should we play god and deny choice to someone else? It is impossible to legislate morality - people are going to do what they want to do. All that remains is to establish and enforce consequences for law breakers, not to impose a belief system on people who do met believe. Adoption is an option, so is abortion - so is throwing your newborn in a dumpster - The issue in this article is that this woman chose the one that is not legal, and perhaps for now that should be the only issue!

What kind of person carries a baby to full pregnancy, and then discard it like a brown bag? Even the state pays for the abortion on time, and there are a bunch of humane options!

How the hell did this get political??? Some funny stuff though. However i dont think she was a democrat..if she were, she'd have kept the baby to get her deductions and credits on her income taxes (well, ...if she worked).

the queenie - where have you been? Women libbers for decades have risen up and applauded abortion and women's rights. They have actually staged rallies with signs promoting abortion and the right of women over their bodies. It is not as hard core as it used to be, but I grew up in the 60's and 70's and believe me, people like Betty Friedman and Gloria Steinem (sp) were all over applauding and promoting abortion even when it was not legal. And once it WAS legal, they were ecstatic! Check your history before making statements. Even a few years ago there were huge pro-abortion rallies in front of anti-abortion pregnancy clinics that were simply trying to help women to save their unborn babies and give them other options like adoption. Just because perhaps you have not personally experienced a pro-abortion rally does not mean they do no exist and that people do not promote it. You can look on this site alone to see all the people who would have liked for this woman to have an abortion.

People give it a rest. This is not a political story. It's about a very sick woman who make a terrible decision. Let the legal system, and not the political system, handle it.

Samantha first makes a viable bid in the mother's defense but then turns around and condemns the father. If the father played a role in killing or disposing of the baby in a dumpster then he is just as guilty as the mother.

What makes Samantha believe the father even knew this child existed? Father's have absolutely no say whether or not a mother chooses abortion or to keep the child. His rights end after making a heart felt pitch to the mother on why she should or should not have the baby but the final choice is hers as she does not need his signature to have an abortion and the clinic has no responsibility to inform him and under patient/caregiver laws, they can't.

I have 9 children. 3 of them I talked their mother out of aborting. Had she continued and chose to abort them, there is nothing I could have done to prevent it legally speaking. All in all, it is her choice. I do not support unnecessary abortions and would not consider it as an option for myself were I a woman but what I do support is the fact that it is her body and her decision to make and live with at the end of the day.

RC-1244080,

Yes, RC, isn't it uncomfortable that the fact is, whether she took the child's life a few months sooner, or as she did, the result is still the same - THE CHILD IS DEAD. It is so difficult for pro-abortionist to justify -and that angers them.

Samantha-1783461 where have YOU been...a pro choice rally is to keep abortion SAFE and LEGAL not to applaud those having them...get your head out of ur azz before u smother yourself with that BS....only thing I see pro choice peeps stating on here is the FACT that if she had had an abortion then this tragedy would have NEVER happened....

Do you armchair wonks have to make everything about politics or race? I can only imagine the bile that would be spewed on newsvine if this woman had been a minority, but since she's not you all have to find a way to make this a political issue. Some of you really need to get out more.

Mike, I'd advise a man that if he wants a woman to bear his child, he should demonstrate his commitment to her and to the baby. Lifelong commitment, as in marriage.

He should also demonstrate his concern for her physical and emotional well-being. She and the child deserve his financial support, at least until the woman can return to work and the child reaches adulthood. It's hard work being a father, and the rewards are only equal to the sacrifices a man makes to raise a moral, productive member of society.

The mother is only half the equation.

How does one arrive at 33 years of age and have zero decision making skills. She had nine months to think things through, nine months to make a reasoned, rational decision........and THIS is what this heifer came up with? All she had to do was leave the baby at a fire or police station. Heck, she could have left the baby on a street corner and odds are that someone responsible would have done the right thing. Then again, this being Floriduh, I guess all bets might be off on my last sentence! Can't wait to get out of this state! Thank goodness the dumpster wasn't being emptied. Stupid, mindless, idiotic B word!

For the religious, perhaps this travesty is a way to point out the sorrow of a life gone wrong, and sad event of a baby - perhaps born alive, but due to lack of medical care from an addict and prostitute, homeless but for a hotel room, now dead.
The time to act was as the woman spiraled out of control. At least offer free sterilization for addicts - even paying them a $1000 would have saved countless dollars of expense after this terrible incident.
But, too often just the "x-tians" pile on, ever short sighted. That miserable shell of a woman, just waiting to die, may never rise above her condition. Who the sperm donor "john" was - may be found if he is on a DNA database as a criminal.

NoProfile... Only in America will people take a newborn child's tragic, unecessary
death and turn it into political hay. What disgusting excuses for human beings we are. An absolute disgrace to the race. I tend to agree with Menken on this one:

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." H.L. Menken

For those who didn't watch the video at the top, the women is a prostitute who smoke and drank (and we can assume since she has sex for money, used drugs) throughout her pregnancy. This news story has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with abortion, this isn't even close to the same thing. She had the baby, as in she went through labor and birthed a baby, then she killed said baby and put it in a trash can.

To me, this is exactly the type of person who should have an abortion. Do you really want another prostitute (and presumably, drug addict) on welfare with a messed up baby? Heck, I'm surprised she killed this baby, this could have been her meal ticket off the corner...

There is something terribly wrong with this woman. They haven't said what it is yet but we've got to assume it's either drugs or a mental problem. If she went through nine months of pregnancy and labor, then killed the baby, then she is not a normal person.

@the queenie - since when is personal responsibility a bad thing? If a woman chooses to 'keep her legs closed' there is a pretty good chance she will not have an unwanted pregnancy. Notice I say 'choose', I understand that women do not always have a choice.

I also think it is wrong that the father gets no say. If you thought enough about him to sleep with him, you should value his opinion and vice versa. The choice belongs to both - not just one. Bottom line is don't choose to have sex with someone you are not willing to raise a child with! If you do, be willing to accept whatever results.

“She's the one who has to live with whatever decision she makes.”

Actually, the father has to live with her decision as well. I’m female and find it exceptionally sad that fathers are constantly discounted when it comes to the baby, unless of course she decides to have it and needs him to open his wallet.

Anywhoo, There were too many relatively easy options for her for this to be excusable and she’s much too old to be excused as not being able to make a choice. She could have had the baby at the hospital with or without funds – as a tax payer I would much prefer to have to help pay for the baby to live than to have to help pay to bury him (and knowing that the child suffered makes it that much worse). If she had chosen adoption, the agency and/or couple would have paid the cost. She could have had the child on the street if she didn’t want to go to the hospital and left the child at a fire station or at the hospital or at the door of someone in the neighborhood (not the best but better than a dumpster). Unfortunately, in this society and many others, children are seen as a burden by many and therefore expendable.

I just hope he wasn’t alive when she put him in the dumpster.

they noticed an unusual amount of blood throughout her hotel room

There's a usual amount of blood found in a hotel room?

Janine-1645002, That 1% of abortion you speak of being conceived through rape is 32K cases. The GOP plan is tell them to "just suck it up" and "make the best of a bad situation".

Once again, I get to see another discussion injected with politics, devolving into the bashing of people's political standing. Anyone realize that there is a whole 'Politics' tab at the top of the nbcnews.com homepage, so spew your democrat/republican/liberal/conservative/etc. hating comments to those stories. I mean honestly, you aren't just making the party you are insulting look bad, but also the one you are trying to defend (most politicians are pretty bad anyway).

Rant aside, I'm actually curious what people think in terms of the whole 'fetus is a person' debate. Are they really considered an individual after the formation of the brain? What about the first time blood is pumped through their body? I personally am pro-choice, so I think the woman has the right to do whatever she wants when the baby is inside her (restricted to moral/legal options). I don't consider it 'murder' if a woman has an abortion before the aforementioned changes occur in the fetus, but to me things get muddled after the 5-6 week mark. It doesn't change my stance, but it does tend to make me think what actually makes someone a human being (other than a mass of cells).

Anyway, this woman clearly didn't care about the safety of the baby, and took it's life instead of giving it up for adoption or having the (supposed) abortion WAY sooner. From the video, it sounded like she was a degenerate who smoked, drank, and sold her body for money during the pregnancy, so she definitely deserves the charges brought against her.

Newborn babies are in high demand for adoptions. It's sick to see things like this happen. There is no excuse.

Maybe she couldn't afford an abortion or formula so she had to get rid of the baby so she wouldn't have to breast-feed it. After all, by breast-feeding the baby would be acting as a parasite and using her body, and it's her body and her property. Now, I would say that's cruel and irresponsible, but then again I'm not female, so I've never had to breastfeed, so who am I to tell her what to do with her body? I mean that's sexist, right, to expect her to breastfeed when I don't have mammary glands myself?

Plus it's a good thing, because now there's one less unwanted child that has to grow up unwanted, right?

This news story has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with abortion

It does in the sense that if Republicans have their way, abortion will be made illegal and then she would not have even had that as an option. She would be forced to have the baby, even under the most terrible circumstances for the beginning of any person's life: born of a woman who is a prostitute, drinking, smoking, probably using drugs, possibly diseased physically and/or mentally, who didn't want the baby or care about it, with no known father. Every human being deserves a better start in life than that. A baby deserves to be cared for in utero as well as after he or she is born.

It would have been better in my opinion for her to have had a legal abortion than to bear a child and then kill her newborn baby or let him die.

kaybeetoys

We were married. We were buying our own home. She supposedly was on birth control. She ran off with a married coworker. I took the children until she got her act together. I made all the right choices. I simply chose the wrong person to make them with. I kept the youngest child with me as he had never seen her face. I could not send him to a complete stranger. I now have the right choice and have been married to her for 11 years. I have no regrets for the decisions I have made other than maybe I should have been more protective and kept the two I let her take for a visit and she decided not to send back to me.

I have not missed a single child support payment to her and have never asked a dime back for the one I am raising. I would not have had I been smart and kept the other two instead of trusting her to send them back.

argue - you are a mammal, you have mammary glands, and males can get breast cancer - but no, you'll not be in a position to breast feed.
That woman would not have ever been in an emotional state necessary to look after the needs of another person - she could not even meet her own needs - and you can bet hers as a child were not met either. Is it a blessing the anonymous child of a homeless addict died? Well, we'll never know for sure, but a look into the foster care system of ANY state would cause many to wonder.

The queenie -

There are reasons a lot of kids in foster care aren't adopted. Some can't be adopted because parental rights haven't been or can't be terminated for some reason. Sometimes those fights can last a long time. So don't just assume that they're adoptable; if they were easily adoptable, they probably would have been adopted. Then, too, it's a very different world when you're adopting an older child. Many have serious baggage and behavioral issues for the very reasons they're in the foster care system in the first place. An older child deserves a say in whether or not they're adopted, and not every potential adoptive family is going to going to gel easily with a prospective adoptee. Not every parent has the coping skills to deal with a child with serious issues effectively, and if they do it needs to be a mission and a calling in life to minister to that child because that child will need that care and level of attention. Certainly, our society should be one where more people are willing to take up that challenge and show that kind of faith. These kids deserve the help. But before you condemn others and assume that they aren't doing anything, consider that maybe they are, or that in some cases there may be nothing they can do. Statistics for numbers of potential adoptees--especially worldwide--are vastly overblown and do not reflect the number of children who are actually legally available for adoption.

All this woman had to do, probably, is drop this poor little boy off at a hospital or police or fire station. No questions asked, or at least only enough to establish that she is voluntarily giving up the child.

Forgive me, I'm not a biology major, but at least we seem to agree, right?

Goldfish the destroyer said:

With all the people on waiting lists to adopt.....there are legal ways of providing a child with a comfortable environment and legal ways to avoid a responsibility you can't handle, or don't want to handle.

It's called adoption, not dumping a baby in a dumpster.

She drank and smoked while pregnant, was a hooker with loose morals, may have done drugs during her pregnancy too. If the baby ends up with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome or drug withdrawal or something like that, how willing do you think a lot of adoptive parents going to be to take on a whole set of problems like that? Added to the fact adoptions in the US are largely 'open' adoptions, which basically mean that the child's mom could waltz in ten years from now and still have rights to see or visit the child...this is why a lot of people adopt internationally.

Many of the people who adopt want to adopt a new life and start without memories of the old one--few of them want to adopt someone else's problems.

Plus it's a good thing, because now there's one less unwanted child that has to grow up unwanted, right?

For all we know this woman grew up as an unwanted, unloved child herself. It becomes a vicious cycle when she has a baby she doesn't want or is unable to care for.

What turns an innocent little girl into a drug-addicted prostitute? Something happened along the way, and I fear for those who think it could never happen to their own daughter, niece or cousin.

Empty out every orphanage on the planet, adopt all the unwanted children, then we'll discuss the merits of forcing a drug-addicted prostitute to bring another human being into a cruel and already overcrowded world.

Lamarquise how many foster kids are u raising as ur own???

Yea I won't wait for your answer...I'm sure it's as many as my so called Pro LIFE friends are rasing....ZERO!!

Please educate yourself and take a look at how many KIDS in this country alone need foster homes and would love to be adopted.....but like I said being Pro Life and Pro Birth are two different things...u are pro birth NOT pro life just admit it....

here's some LITE reading for u if u dare to actually look at THE FACTS regarding foster kids and adoption for KIDS and not babies INSTEAD of just spouting more PRO BIRTH BS:

http://www.adoptuskids.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_care

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/statistics/childwelfare_foster.cfm

kaybeetoys

Plus it's a good thing, because now there's one less unwanted child that has to grow up unwanted, right?

For all we know this woman grew up as an unwanted, unloved child herself. It becomes a vicious cycle when she has a baby she doesn't want or is unable to care for.

What turns an innocent little girl into a drug-addicted prostitute? Something happened along the way, and I fear for those who think it could never happen to their own daughter, niece or cousin.

Empty out every orphanage on the planet, adopt all the unwanted children, then we'll discuss the merits of forcing a drug-addicted prostitute to bring another human being into a cruel and already overcrowded world.

EXACTLY....bunch a dayum hypocrites as usual on here with their Pro Life BS and they hate being called out don't they.....LOL!!!

"Anyway, this woman clearly didn't care about the safety of the baby, and took it's life instead of giving it up for adoption or having the (supposed) abortion WAY sooner. From the video, it sounded like she was a degenerate who smoked, drank, and sold her body for money during the pregnancy, so she definitely deserves the charges brought against her." said Know-how.... I did not see where it said that in the article. Would she have not deserved to be charged if she didn't smoke, drink, do drugs or sell her body during her pregnancy??

All it said was that she lied about giving birth. I find it sad that some want to blame politics for this situation; this was the result of this woman's choice. There are hospitals that would have delivered her child without insurance. There are attorneys that would have found a home for the child, at no cost to her, if she wanted to give it up for adoption.

The situation came from this woman having no self-respect and no regard for her or the child's life. NOT from anything else.

GrayLady25

@the queenie - since when is personal responsibility a bad thing? If a woman chooses to 'keep her legs closed' there is a pretty good chance she will not have an unwanted pregnancy. Notice I say 'choose', I understand that women do not always have a choice.

I also think it is wrong that the father gets no say. If you thought enough about him to sleep with him, you should value his opinion and vice versa. The choice belongs to both - not just one. Bottom line is don't choose to have sex with someone you are not willing to raise a child with! If you do, be willing to accept whatever result.

The choice is NOT yours...get over it but please feel free to adopt ALL the unwanted children you want.......u can start here:

http://www.adoptuskids.org/

I'll support that choice just like I'll support the choice to have an abortion which is still LEGAL in this country BTW even if U don't like it.

Good luck and Please let us know how those adoptions work out for you:)

where in the hell does it say in this story that the alleged mother was a hooker?

The first choice to stop unwanted pregnancies is to keep your legs closed.

Well, unless it's a case of legitimate rape....

Where is that rolling eyes emoticon when you need it?

What in the hell is the matter with you people dragging politics into this story???????? This has nothing to do with liberal or conservative views. nothing to do with Obama/Biden, Romney/Ryan, Bush/Cheney or any or damned politician!!!!! PLEASE SAVE IT for a properly related story for christs sake!!!!!!!!

MANY of you are very, very busy making assumptions about this woman and the circumstances of her life and the birth of this child!!! Or using it as yet another place to stick in your political views or argue with others about politics!!!! As usual the information provided by the reporter is seriously lacking very important details!!!!! Where does it say anything about her being a prostitute, on drugs etc.. etc..??? NOWHERE! We just plain DON'T know what happened or why!!

IN this day and age pretty much everybody would know that you can surrender a baby no questions asked for a certain period of time. Most people KNOW that adoption is an option for an unwanted baby or a baby you can't take care of due to financial, mental or physical problems etc.. etc.. THis story does NOT say why this woman did not take advantage of any of her available options. Shame on this reporter and this whole agency for the piss poor reporting and shame on alot of you people making assumptions. You know what they say about assuming?!?! ASS/YOU/me but then, not me because I'll wait for more facts to judge. With this reporting the wait could be indefinite or never!!!!!

The first choice to stop unwanted pregnancies is to keep your legs closed.

Not true either. There are plenty of us married women who do not want children, but have every right to have sex with our husbands as we please.

You people judge too much. How about giving foster children loving homes and feeding hungry children before we go casting stones and telling women how they should and shouldn't be using their bodies.

the queenie

The choice is NOT yours...get over it but please feel free to adopt ALL the unwanted children you want.......u can start here:

I'll support that choice just like I'll support the choice to have an abortion which is still LEGAL in this country BTW even if U don't like it.

Good luck and Please let us know how those adoptions work out for you:)

You are missing my point - personal responsibility. If more people believed in being accountable for their own actions, there wouldn't be so many kids in foster care!

I understand that things happen that one cannot control, but if more people would at least control their behavior (in all aspects of life), things would be better for everyone.

Sounds like this was just a massive case of stupid.

As others have pointed out repeatedly above, there were options for this woman for the 9 months she was pregnant. She didn't take advantage of any of them. Either by A) Ignorance, B) Neglect. Both result is stupid by the truck load.

A senseless situation that could have easily been avoided.

skrewdworld said:

Where does it say anything about her being a prostitute, on drugs etc.. etc..??? NOWHERE! We just plain DON'T know what happened or why!!

Watch the video attached to the article. They did some investigating into the mother's background, and that she is being charged with manslaughter because there was air in the baby's lungs, which indicates the child was breathing for a time before it died.

I would have LOVED the opportunity to raise her baby ....Now ...not only will I not

get that chance but Nobody will ever get that chance......my God , my God!!

The Christian Right wants every pregnant woman to become a mother. What kind of mother would Alexandria be? Pretty lousy, doncha think? Face the facts: this what happens, folks, if women are denied access to abortions.

yeah, i watched the video, I did not hear anything about her being a prostitute. Where is that bit coming from? And yes, the air in the baby's lungs indicate it was born alive. Poor baby, I pray for u.

Why is a calendar a criteria for an abortion? Give the woman a break. She has enough troubles.

stoopids said:

yeah, i watched the video, I did not hear anything about her being a prostitute. Where is that bit coming from? And yes, the air in the baby's lungs indicate it was born alive. Poor baby, I pray for u.

The original article that ran in the Sun Sentinel said she'd been arrested a handful of times before on drug charges and municipal ordnance violations. I live in an inner-city municipality and when we hear those words, it usually means the person arrested was advertising 'unlicensed health and human services'. I made the automatic assumption that was what this meant--it didn't occur to me until I went back and read my posts that in FL that might mean something different.

My apologies for that..that was TOTALLY my fault.

"bunch a dayum hypocrites"

Thanx queenie. U said "hypocrites" enough times, that THEIR queen (skrewdworld) showed up spewing her usual brand of hate.

And back 2 Mah queenie: Tell the Kids in the Castle, I said "Hey!". (shhhhh) ;-)

And just think, if the baby would had just been on the other side of her skin, on the inside, non of this would matter, because after all it is just a glob of cells and not a life with no rights.

I dunno about the barbaric world we live in today.

The Christian Right wants every pregnant woman to become a mother. What kind of mother would Alexandria be? Pretty lousy, doncha think? Face the facts: this what happens, folks, if women are denied access to abortions.

Or when society has been desensitized into believing a baby of nothing more then a glob of cells.

"It is impossible to legislate morality"

Right (sarcasm).

That's Y we have laws against murder, stealing, & lying (perjury).....because we can't legislate morality.

Amanda, don't waste your time trying 2 talk sense 2 Ms Hypocrite (skrewdworld). She's right about everything...........

well the liberals ought to be happy, this is the 'ULTIMATE LATE TERM ABORTION' , obviously the next step.

Shut up, shut up, shut up! You people are confusing me with all your political babble! You're forgetting what this uproar is all about. The baby is dead, & this woman isn't sick, she's a murderer! She had plenty of time to carry out other decisions but didn't & threw the baby away in the dumpster to DIE. & Maybe she is a prostitute (probably not because I have not seen her when I'm out working, not that I'm into that sort of thing!) but lady of the night or not, it does not give her the right to discard an innocent being, to commit the most vile act & break the most sacred bond here on earth.

"political babble"

LMAO! (sigh) Whew. That's the funniest thing I've read today.

It's funny 'cuz it's true!

denver bill; most Americans don't vote. What's funny is you actually spent the time to look up how that county voted...nice hobby you got there.

The Easy Button mentality is rampant in society, got a problem, just shoot it - dump it - steal it....

A conservative judge ruling would be something like this: The court finds Ms. Alexandria Sladon-Marler guilty of premeditated murder and sentence you to life in prison.

A liberal judge ruling would be something like this: This court feels your pain and suffering and remands you to a mental hospital and further counseling for 18 months.

How about this for such a heinous crime: You have been found guilty of premeditated murder and order to swim the Nile River at the height of crocodile feeding time. I think that would end the crime of tossing a baby in a dumpster like garbage in the future. And to bring the point home how about putting it on cable television. There is no excuse for killing a child let alone a newborn baby. How sick can any would-be mother get. I am sick of hearing mothers killing their baby's because they could not afford to raise it, or the baby was an inconvenience which crowded their lifestyle. Put the child up for adoption that is the right and humane thing to do.

"she had had an abortion" I know it's considered proper but it makes the writer look and sound like a twit. One had would of been fine.

Can't afford an abortion, just throw the little tyke into a dumpster. Afterall, a baby would be a big inconvenience, and the mother's "welfare" is always foremost. Sounds like a real liberal Democrat success story.

doubt that. Sounds more like the victim of an oppressive right wing agenda. a woman with a liberal leaning would have terminated the pregnancy.

cause -> effect

a concept that involves great challenge to the conservatives and you especially spider. get ready for many more of these stories if the GOP has their way.

Ever notice how may of these stories come out of somewhere in the South?

Florida - once again shows the crazy, demented underbelly of society.

the queenie -

Your invective and accusations reflect well neither on you nor your stated positions. It doesn't have to be an either/or, either one baby being adopted or one foster kid being adopted. Plenty of parents would adopt both. And why shouldn't a baby be adopted just because a foster kid isn't adopted? Making adoption into some kind of perverse first-in, first-out game doesn't help either child and wouldn't give a potential parent any additional proper motivation to adopt a foster kid. Foster kids need to be adopted for themselves and not just so that someone can have a chance at a baby.

You act as if someone can't be "pro-life" and "pro-baby" by your standards at the same time. And what's wrong with being pro-baby? So far as I know, nobody reputable on either side of the abortion debate thinks abortions are a good thing, even if there can be worse evils. If I'm ever to be a mother, it will probably have to be via adoption. When I am in a position to adopt, with a husband and stable situation, adoption will certainly be the next step. But I've already looked at the numbers of foster kids adoption and availability. As I said, the claims are inflated. And while I think people could do better, I don't blame people for not wanting to spend years fostering, wading through bureaucratic nonsense, and investing in a child only to take a significant chance that some mishap or legal loophole will keep an adoption from going through.

Samantha, I believe that in one of your posts, you indicated that the baby was stillborn. No it wasn't. If you watched the video, someone from the hospital said that there was an indication of air in the baby's lungs, meaning that it was able to breath on its own.

This woman, even though she is 33, is typical of girls brought up in homes withanti-abortion thinking. You are not allowed to abort. However, they have no remorse in killing the baby after it is born. Perhaps this woman has had too many abortions in the past. While I support a woman's choice in the matter, I do not believe abortion should be used as regular birth control. This woman is a poster child of what will happen if the GOTP'ers get full power in the next election.

@ kim,.......with your one single sentence, It tells me so much about you.

A liberal judge ruling would be something like this: This court feels your pain and suffering and remands you to a mental hospital and further counseling for 18 months.

Mandatory sterilization is in order for this s.kank. She's not fit to breed.

wolfpack - Please share - what does it tell you about me?

Just this one time. It tells me that i will be wasting my time conversing with you because i would have to throw out common sense and reasoning.

Mercury -

Do you honestly think any of us who decry elective abortion or abortion for convenience would countenance the killing of a baby when it's born? There's no indication that this woman had anything against getting an abortion if she'd do what she did once her baby was born; she probably just didn't have the money for an abortion or something else got in the way. What held her back certainly couldn't have been any particular squeamishness about abortion.

wolfpack - you are soooo wrong. Go back and read some of my other posts. We have more in common than you think. I am from Florida and common sense and reasoning are lacking in Florida so much of the time. This would explain why so many crazy things happen here including the election of Gov Scott and Marco Rubio. Think what you will but this is a crazy state.

Rocco - I am sick of hearing mothers killing their baby's because they could not afford to raise it, or the baby was an inconvenience which crowded their lifestyle.

Give Me A Break!! Where did you hear that a woman has killed her baby because she could not afford to raise it, or hear a woman say "my baby was inconvenient and crowded my lifestyle, so I killed it."WHERE did you hear this? You are ridiculous.

And nothing is ever said about the the goddamn responsibility of the fathers! It's THEIR responsibility to support what they bring into the world and they CONTINUE to get off Scott-free.

i don't think anyone can logically connect this case with abortion, she had the option all along and didn't use it , also didnt choose to use birth control and didn't choose to use her states safe haven laws which would have been just as fast and easy . take the baby to a dumpster or take the baby with her to hospital she was already going to and leave it there legally. this is more indicative of a general pattern of poor life choices/stupidity

maybe she panicked and didn't know what to do with the baby.

Then blame the liberals with their confusing recycling laws, I'll bet most people wouldn't know which bin to put a dead baby in.

What I don't understand is, if she didn't want to have a baby, why didn't she just tell her body to "shut down"?

Dan42day = troll. Or maybe you're just an imbecile; hard to tell.

@ Kim

When i saw your comment about Florida, I mistakenly thought you were talking about the people in general living in Florida. I didn't relized your comment were toward the State and city officials. Please accept my apology and i did like a lot of the other comments you've posted in the past. Good day to you.

Another example of human trash here...disposing of her unwanted child in the garbage.

As for abortion - obviously she didn't have one and perhaps she should have.

The human species continues to spiral backwards at an alarming rate.

Not to mention that if she was willing to carry the child full-term as she did, why didn't she attempt to adopt the baby and get medical treatment paid for by someone wanting to adopt?

I am pro-choice but I definitely do not believe in doing what this woman did. That someone could do this to a baby they carried for 9 months literally makes me cry.

The dear little thing, hopefully god will return its little soul back to this world to someone who will cherish it.

When officers went to the Fort Lauderdale Beach Place Hotel and Suites, where Sladon-Marler had been transported from, they noticed an unusual amount of blood throughout her hotel room, police said.

And what would be an usual amount of blood in a hotel room pray tell?

I have never seen so many idiotic comments in my life.

You people behave as if a child is a puppy--oh isn't it cute, let's take it home.

Not that it will get through to you, but it is a "gob of cells" until it reaches a certain gestational marker. Perhaps you might consult someone who actually is educated in human reproduction instead of the pastor at your local church or the moron who sits in your congressional district.

And all of you bashing the liberals, this is a perfect example of a woman who should have not carried a pregnancy to term.

We will never know, but I'd bet my next paycheck she comes from some whacked religious background with some white trash family and she could never ever ever terminate a pregnancy but she could certainly suffocate the child(just guessing) once it's born because in her warped world view there would be the shame of giving birth and the inability to care for the little guy.

You people on the right are dumber than a box of rocks. In your world 1+1 = 4,327. I don't know how most of you don't drown in a good downpour. You should thank your lucky stars every day for the liberals passing laws to protect you from your stupid fairy tale ideas.

As someone much smarter than I commented, the liberals have noone to blame but themselves for the state of things today. Most people are too stupid to be allowed to think and act as they choose. The comments on the board prove that.

she didn't even have to put it up for adoption, im pretty sure all states have safe haven laws where you can dump a newborn no questions asked, so long as you take the baby to a police station, hospital or fire department. she already had an ambulance on the way and was going to the hospital, how hard really would it have been to refrain from throwing it in the trash for the 5 mins it took them to get there and telling the emt's you planned on availing yourself of the safe haven law. there your done- baby gone no paperwork or murder.

She did not have an abortion. She killed her newborn baby. Read the article.

There is a huge difference between having an abortion and murdering a living, breathing baby.

This woman had no concern for her child either before or after it was born. She most likely did not plan the pregnancy. It sounds as if she was a street walker who was completely unprepared to have a baby or care for it. She was drinking and smoking during the pregnancy. For a person like her, it would have been far better if she had used reliable contraception.

You seem to be mixing up a baby (here) and a fetus (abortion). And contrary to your opinion, these things are markedly different.

its called a fetus to make people feel better about killing it. This so called "fetus", has a heart beat at 6 weeks. But, it is not alive yet, right??

KayBee: So are you saying that a baby in the womb isn't living?

I'm saying that a fetus in the womb who cannot live outside the body of its mother is NOT the same thing as a living, breathing baby. You cannot adopt a fetus, can you?

So is that the defining moment? When the baby is actually adoptable? or is it when it is kicking its feet in your stomach? or when it has a heartbeat?

I can think of many times I've heard of a "fetus" being removed from the the mother early and living to grow into a normal human, so to say that a fetus doesn't count because it is reliant on the mother to live outside the body, isn't really a true fact at all.

The big difference here is that this baby was viable outside the womb. Unlike the legal abortions performed, she waited to give birth and didn't go to the hospital until she herself was having trouble. Since she is being charged, with "aggravated manslaughter and child neglect", she must have killed her baby or the fact that she didn't get help caused the death. We can't let one case like this dictate the rights of all women to get safe, legal abortions. She obviously has some drug/mental issues and I hope she gets the justice she deserves. Abortions are legal in our country, adoption is available, and you can even drop of the baby at a hospital if you don't want it. This woman still chose to go this route.

@Kaybee

Then lets late term abort the welfare receipients, they can't live outside their "governement mommies" womb either. Lets cut all the welfare support & see who is a "fetus" & see who is a "baby"

jwill1

She killed an innocent little baby. ..... Why does this story make news and not the thousands of abortions that take place every day? Just because this baby happened to be outside of the womb?

You have answered your own question. This story concerns a newborn. The abortion "debate" is not about babies, it is about when life begins. If you believe that life begins at conception, then abortion is murder. If you believe life begins at birth, then abortion is morally equivalent to clipping your toenails.

@denver bill 2,

You're absolutely right. That is the debate. And it furthers my point. How can anyone look at an ultrasound and say that murdering that precious baby (or disposing of an unwanted fetus if that helps to desensitize it) is morally equivalent of clipping their toenails?

Thank you, Sophie. You said it brilliantly!

Nice... Jesus loves you too.

its called a fetus to make people feel better about killing it.

No, it's called a fetus because it is not yet a viable living creature.

This so called "fetus", has a heart beat at 6 weeks. But, it is not alive yet, right??

No, it isn't. If removed from the womb, does it live on it's OWN? If not, then it is NOT ALIVE.

If you are so opposed to abortions in any circumstance, then why aren't you rallying against the MOST COMMON abortion of all, the miscarriage?

You have answered your own question. This story concerns a newborn. The abortion "debate" is not about babies, it is about when life begins. If you believe that life begins at conception, then abortion is murder.

And then so is IVF and many methods of birth control. You probably know women who use some of these methods.

Doctors believe life begins when the fetus is viable outside the body of the mother. That makes sense to me.

If you believe life begins at birth, then abortion is morally equivalent to clipping your toenails.

Tell that to a woman who is carrying a baby she wants and loves very much, but knows it has no brain and will be born dead.

I wonder how many of you Pro-Lifers have actually adopted a baby. How many of you would take a woman like this into your home and help care for her until she had the baby? Everyone says they saw her making bad decisions but they also did nothing to help her.

By the way, I was adopted in November 1964 to a family that had already adopted two other children. Later, when we were all going to high school my parents became legal guardians for a young man that had no home and who's mother was an alcoholic. They helped her also.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Become part of the solution.

Individual cardiac cells beat. Put a few together and they will synchronize. A "heart beat" (rhythmic muscular contraction) is no way to gauge when the "life" begins.

Currently we use viability, but I'd go so far as about 26 weeks, because before then the brain does not have the synapses necessary to remember, feel pain, respond to outside stimulus, or anything close to cognition.

I reread the article and did not see where she was charged with KILLING her child.

Thank you for calling out the hypocrites, jchoney. The people who adopted you, your parents, did a fine thing!

DUH, I must have been reading with my Eyes closed....my bad. Off with her head!

Fred Evil - just playing devil's advocate.........there are people on life support who cannot sustain life on their own, and many cases where those poeple recover, and some that don't... are they then not alive if on life support? Do we forego life support for all since they can't live on their own and are then not alive?

Now if you are going to say it is different if they are on life support, what about severely premature babies that are born or otherwise need removing from the mother that survive on life support? We have NUMEROUS examples of premature babies being born at development stages most thought unsurvuvable, and yet they survived......... Also if a baby didn't have its parents, it would die, it CAN'T live on its own.

I can clip my nails and cut my hair because after it leaves the folicle/cuticle nail bed, it is dead, it doesn't have a heart beat to sustain life separate from me.

Just pointing out some differences from examples given.

You do NOT know she killed this baby, it could of been a STILLBORN. never heard of anything like that before. You know the baby comes out DEAD NOT ALIVE.

Before you act like she is just some DEMORAT BIMBO. GET informed first.

Fredevil--I won't rally around a miscarriage because it is done naturally by the womens body. Very rare can it be stopped, I should know I have had 2. Stories like this and abortion period, make me sick. A pregnancy is the greatest gift one can recieve. Life should be celebrated not killed!

why aren't you rallying against the MOST COMMON abortion of all, the miscarriage?

The most common abortion of all is male masturbation. That's murder on a mass scale! Hundreds of thousands of potential lives wasted, all at once. Oh, the horror!!!!

Sophie, late term abortion is legal in the United States. Late term abortion consists of a late 2nd or 3rd trimester mother being induced, the "fetus's" brain is crushed or cut open with scissors so that the "fetus" dies in the vagina and is not born alive. This procedure is more invasive than childbirth, carries all the same risks and then some. It is never a medical need. It is usually done when there is a chance that the child will be born with a disability, or when it's found that the child is not biologically both the parents' in the case of an IVF oopsie.

Late term abortions can be performed in most places up until the baby fetus is full term, and most of these babies fetuses could have been born alive. In fact, they are are often born alive anyways, and can take a couple hours to die of their injuries before their corpses are disposed of like medical waste.

So, using this logic, if she made sure the fetus was dead when it was in her vagina, she is correct, she did have an abortion and according to our society, did nothing wrong.

A newborn baby can't live on its own either. So, if that's the standard for being alive, what this lady did was perfectly fine.

Kaybee, I'm not trying to be argumentative, but where in the story does it explicitly say she killed the baby? It said she is being charged with manslaughter but the baby might have been stillborn, as far and any of us know. The article does not say it was alive and she let it die, it says she's being accused of it. I'm not taking her side, per se, but let's not be hasty to assume.

jchoney--

I am willing to bet that most of these pro-lifer's wouldn't adopt, nor would they be willing to help a woman like this lady-as you stated, it's not their problem.

Yet, as someone who gave birth to 4 kids and smoked a pack a day through every single pregnancy (full term pregnancies, no birth defects, no other issues throughout childhood, kids all grew to be healthy and reasonably intelligent) I can't imagine someone trying to force me to take better care of myself during my pregnancies (I took reasonably good care of myself except the smoking). And after my first child, I didn't bother with seeing obstetricians for my other 3 pregnancies until I was 7 months along, which upset a few obstetricians and nurses who didn't know women have been giving birth to perfectly normal and healthy babies for thousands of years without the all those fancy tests. (Human history wasn't covered in medical school, just the most recent issues of JAMA). These same professionals also told me not to eat sushi while pregnant, but couldn't tell me why pregnant Japanese women seem to be able to eat sushi with no ill-effects on their unborn. Go figure.

How can the State make pregnant women not smoke, not drink, not do drugs, eat healthy, take vitamins, get exercise, go to all the prenatal exams, etc.? That would make women more like property and not human beings. And if you make a law decreeing that fetuses need to be protected (like the laws that force parents to vaccinate their children, etc.) then you give credence to pro-lifers arguments that fetuses have rights. You can't win in this situation. A woman's body is her own, even if there is something--a tumor, a parasite, or a fetus--growing inside her. If she wants to take care of it, she will, if not, you can't make her do anything. It's her choice.

And while I am ranting about woman's rights to her body, I think its heinous when mothers kill their newborns, or their children in general; whenever I read stories like these I wish I had the means to be able to prevent these murders--whether I could care for the children myself, or find a way to get the mother to be more happy about being a parent. With all the news about safe places to surrender your unwanted infant, like at a hospital or fire station, why more women like this lady don't take up the offer is beyond me.

It is truly amazing how every single article on MSN immediately devolves into some political rant within seconds of the first comment. It truly is like having a bunch of starved buzzards perched in a dead tree just waiting for an opportunity to pounce! What is also truly amazing is how the same issues can be argued time and again and again!.... in the exact same manner and most times by the exact same posters without somebody finally tiring of it. Talk about the text book definition of insanity! "Which is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". What is the true purpose of this? Does anyone truly believe that they will actually sway their opponants with their ceaseless commentary like some verbal "war of attrition" or is it all simply argument for arguments sake alone? And if so....how could so many people have such a glutonous appetite for repeated and ineffective controversy?

Here we have a piece on a woman who obviously has the maternal instincts of a slug who may or may not have commited infanticide,but surely cared so little for the baby that she discarded it's body like it was part of the leftovers out of the fridge. A person who is either suffering from some severe psychosis or is so drug addled and damaged she is incapable of compassion or guilt. But... rather than concentrating on the point of the article,which is yet another miscreant in the world has thankfully been pulled from the population... all anyone seems concerned with is whether she can be used as an example of political deviance and partisan definition of abortion rights. What she really is,is living proof that this country has turned into an uncompromising monocular society that has become so polarized in their "black and white" visons of right and wrong it has become completely blinded to the fact that this country was built out of the hope in continuosly finding some middle ground in a world full of cultural,societal and moral division!

kaybeetoys said:

Doctors believe life begins when the fetus is viable outside the body of the mother. That makes sense to me.

An egg in a woman's body is a cell. It is life, but it is not 'alive' in the sense that it cannot react to its own environment, cannot maintain its own existence by consuming nutrients and expelling waste and cannot reproduce. It is life, but it is not alive. We women flush one or more of these out once a month when the Little Red Friend comes knocking, and there is no outrage over this because it is not alive.

An egg in a woman's body that has joined with a male sex cell is a zygote. It too, would be life, but is not alive. There are times a zygote fails to implant and is flushed out of the body with the uterine lining during the menstrual cycle. there is no outrage over this either because it is not 'alive', even though it has the potential to be. In order for it to become alive it will need to implant to the lining of a uterus which will nourish it for the next 9 months, and at this stage it is a fetus.

Now, somewhere in the middle of that, at about 20 weeks it becomes capable of being alive even if it has been separated from the uterus that nourished it. It might need mechanical help to do so, but it is alive; it reacts to its environment, it consumes and expels waste,and its reproductive organs are formed. While it may need time to mature, it is life and it is 'alive'.

there are people on life support who cannot sustain life on their own, and many cases where those poeple recover, and some that don't... are they then not alive if on life support?

No, because they HAVE BEEN alive, and something is interfering with that process. Fetuses have never BEEN ALIVE. It's a fine distinction, but quite valid.

A newborn baby can't live on its own either.

Not true, it will squirm and kick and cry and BREATHE all on it's own. A fetus cannot breathe.

what about severely premature babies that are born or otherwise need removing from the mother that survive on life support?

Most abortions happen well before the end of the first trimester, approximately 12-13 weeks into a pregnancy. At that age, NO FETUS IS VIABLE. Fetuses are only viable through EXTREME measures at approximately the 20 week point, though it is VERY expensive and VERY uncertain whether they will properly develop. 13 weeks to 20 weeks is a VERY wide gap in viability.

I won't rally around a miscarriage because it is done naturally by the womens body

So it's ok for God to 'murder a baby'?

Ken-880631

Kaybee, I'm not trying to be argumentative, but where in the story does it explicitly say she killed the baby? It said she is being charged with manslaughter but the baby might have been stillborn, as far and any of us know. The article does not say it was alive and she let it die, it says she's being accused of it. I'm not taking her side, per se, but let's not be hasty to assume.

Ken and others, please watch the video that comes with the printed article. She's accused of taking her newborn son's life and tossing his body into a hotel dumpster.

The medical examiner said there was air in the baby's lungs and that was how it was determined that he had been born alive.

Fredevil--yes, God is the giver and taker of all life. He decides when one dies, not man. My life is very simple.

Even I did not watch the video, only read the article. But even if the baby was born alive, have they mentioned the cause of death - lot of babies are born needing immediate medical help to live (which the mother apparantly didn't afford).

In any case, where was the father and why is he not charged with negligent murder? He should have either paid for an early abortion or taken care of the carrying mother and the delivery.

God is the giver and taker of all life.

That's your belief. Here in America, we aren't forced to abide by each others BELIEFS.

Science and fact is all that need apply. I'll thank you if you stop worrying about my 'afterlife,' and leave that to me, thank you.

My life is very simple.

We got that. Unfortunately, life isn't simple, it is filled with shades of grey that are often missed by 'simple' folk.

that is a shame because it is black and white for me, no grey areas. Good-luck with that.

it's only simple to those that are simple/closed minded. Life is an extremely complitcated web of experiences and feelings that could never be just black and white if truly appreciated and educated. Sucks to be you plsthink

kaybee: thanks, i can't see the video at work so did not know. it would be nice if they put that in the written article as well. peace.

no actual Mike, it sucks to be you. I am very happy in my beliefs, as I guess you are. This will never be a choice a lot of people except. That is my choice not to, after all it is a free country. Will see who is right someday so in the mean time, have fun with science and what lives are worth being born, because the way I see it, no life should be wasted:)

that is a shame because it is black and white for me, no grey areas

Perhaps you should get your eyes checked, because life is far more intricate than on/off, yes/no right,wrong.

no life should be wasted

I agree, but a fetus is not yet life.

an abortion isnt murder - it's an eviction. you just took it out of your womb if it dies as a result not your fault or problem. no one is obligated to donate body parts or act as a life support system for another person, even if refusing to do so would result in death. vast difference from removing it, seeing it fail to die then killing it when you had no good reason to

"an abortion isnt murder - it's an eviction. you just took it out of your womb if it dies as a result not your fault or problem. no one is obligated to donate body parts or act as a life support system for another person, even if refusing to do so would result in death. vast difference from removing it, seeing it fail to die then killing it when you had no good reason to"

Un...be....lievable. That is downright scary that people actually believe that statement.

I agree but take it a step further, Find the Father and sterilize him as well.

Did it say that the father knew about the pregnancy and refused to help? I missed that part I guess.

Yes, I'm sure Daddy was a real gem....

BJ, check up on your biology if you need to. A guy should know that EVERY time he has sex with a woman there is the potential for pregnancy - using birth control or not.

Perhaps the men need to start using self control and keep in mind that every "itch" they have does not need to be scratched.

So, yes, the father of the baby needs to be held to some responsibility as well - more especially if he is not around and has never attempted to find out the result of his "love".

@my opinion1.......Do you have any idea how crazy and creepy your comment is? You sounded like a very bitter, angry and a lonely person. You should be asking...WHERE'S THE BEEF!!!

wolfpack, you know nothing about me nor about the other people you tend to comment on. I tend to believe the "advise" you are giving out to posters would do better being aimed at yourself.

I hope you find peace with yourself so you won't have to ridicule other posters to make yourself feel better.

Good luck to you.

Yes...and the GOP wants our gene pool to be filled to overflowing with others just like her. They want drug-addicted hookers and johns to be the parents of the next generation.

Who and where was the father, by the way? I doubt she became pregnant by in-vitro fertilization.

the GOP wants our gene pool to be filled to overflowing with others just like her

Yeah, after all Barry's gene pool has the best window lickers around.

The Liberals in this world need to be stopped in their tracks. They are destroying this once great country. Lets all pool together and send Obama packing along with Harry Reid

Isn't there a term for killing off a group of people by sterilization and abortion because you think they are too low class for society to have to deal with? Something that starts with an 'E' I think.

Yeah, it starts with an E, and was the basis of PP.

Planned Parenthood was the concept of Margaret Sanger AFTER her OWN mother die in childbirth from having an 18th - yes 18th - child. That is insane - not only can this planet and society not support women having births in the teens - being a baby machine is not an acceptable life in modern society. (Except for fringe nuts.)
Eugenics was a WW2 German Engineering notion at its heyday, and the nutzies today are still bleating that nonsense.
Margaret Sanger wanted to give women a chance to rise out of poverty and have more control over their own reproduction.

really?? Why not go to the hospital then and give birth?? Or call the cops because it was dead when it was born or 911?? Just a thought.

rka, stopppppppppppppp thaa, common sense went out the window (right after JFK was assasinated ) & probably by HIS own party too!!!

rkaralius = doesn't much matter whether the baby was born dead or alive in her instance. The way she handled it is enough indication what a horrible person she is and that there should be consequences. People go to medical facilities all the time without money and with the option of allowing them to keep the baby. She is the trash that belongs in the dumpster permanently.

Exactly Sheryl. She was in a hotel room. They don't have phones in the room? She couldn't call 911 when the pains started? We don't know if the baby was born alive or died at birth, or whatever. What we DO know is how she treated him afterwards.

I don't - in ANY way - condone her behavior. What she did was clearly wrong, and there should be consequences. What I DO object to is all the assumptions that she killed her baby. Nowhere in the story does it say that.

In the video there is an interview segment with a hospital person stating the baby was found to have air in its lungs, meaning the baby was breathing for a short time after birth. So a full term breathing baby dying looks mighty suspicious.

rk- I agree with you. Not saying this IS what happened, but people give birth places OTHER than hospitals all the time. Sometimes it comes really quickly and you can't make it. Sometimes a girl is alone and scared in a hotel room and doesn't know what to do. The fact that she gave birth in a hotel room does NOT mean that she was planning to murder the baby. And if the baby was stillborn, that just adds to the fear and (probably) irrational thinking of the mother. Can YOU imagine going through labor ALONE then the baby is dead? I sure can't. I'd be out of my mind with terror, fatigue, and probably 1,000 other emotions. If she did, indeed, kill her baby, then punish her for sure.

hats- I didn't see your post before I posted. I agree, if the baby was breathing then that's bad news. Devil's Advocate- maybe it died of complications shortly after birth that mom couldn't help?

"I don't know all the facts , but I believe she acted stupidly ",sound familiar???

rkaralius

I love how so many posters want to string this woman up with absolutely NO indication of whether the baby was even born alive or not. How about not making judgments until we know what really happened.I don't - in ANY way - condone her behavior. What she did was clearly wrong, and there should be consequences. What I DO object to is all the assumptions that she killed her baby. Nowhere in the story does it say that.

Stop showing your ignorance please. MANY ppl have already said watch the video. The medical examiner said air was in the lungs therefore it WAS ALIVE. That's not an assumption but medical PROOF the child was indeed alive at birth. And even if the baby was born dead, (yes it is YOUR child whether born alive or dead)you tell me what kind of indecent monster doesn't even have enough respect for their child that they don;t give it a proper burial. So I guess when you die, I guess your family should just set you out with the Thursday trash.I Just love the way ppl think it;s OK that if it was dead, np throw it away, no grief or anything for this monster, if you loved that child at all you would want a grave to visit, I guess she can always go to the landfill.

oh now, this is called murder. She will go to prison. See the double standard anyone??

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

"SIMPLY A LATE TERM ABORTION". WELL SAID, NOTHING NEW HERE!!! THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM FOR PRO-ABORTION LEFT. Its only a baby or human with rights, when mom "wants" it to be a baby with human rights. So, was this a fetus or a baby, left wing?

THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM FOR PRO-ABORTION LEFT.

"Truth" is a funny thing. For example it is often presented as fact by people like you, when in reality it is just opinion. For example, if a woman is assaulted, and miscarries as a result, within the first trimester, courts won't consider it homicideno matter how badly the mother wanted the child, unless the state has a 'fetal homicide' statute, in which case even if the mom didn't want the kid the state can charge the assailant with the crime. That is fact, not to be confused with your "truth".

Thank you for educating these PRO- LESS RIGHTS FOR WOMEN-ers

Nice job of bringing up the totally unrelated issue of your views on President Obama.

Give it a rest.

Partial Birth abortion. They are justified according to Michelle Obama.

http://silkroadsandsiamesesmiles.com/2008/05/23/michelle-obama-is-one-sick-lady/

I can see how this womans lawyer is going to use that as defense.

She considered it an abortion, so even if it lived for a while after her botched abortion attempt, she's under no obligation to help it live, according to Obama. The only thing she did wrong is throw it in the dumpster. It should have been properly disposed of as medical waste.

How sad! This is definately not a winning situation for whatever side of abortion you may be on. However, not knowing the full story - such was the baby born alive - she will probably be charged with illegal disposal of a body. Unfortunately, the President lifted the ban on partial birth abortion - a most heinous act, and now this woman will be charged for murdering her child should it be determined the baby was born live. I don't see much difference in the two acts. She or any woman can choose a legal, late-term abortion which involves removing the baby from the womb - leaving its head inside the birth canal - while an abortionist kills the baby by jamming a scapel in its head! How barbaric is that? Why did this woman not abort before the birth? There are free services available, so she didn't have to do this to her child. Why didn't she take the baby to a hospital and leave it for someone else to adopt? Probably ignorance played a big role in this woman's decision. Since the story is sketchy we can't be sure if she was an addict or not. I'm sure the law will get to the facts, but meanwhile, many people who are pro-abortion will sit in judgement trying to claim that the Republicans are to blame, while pro-life people will try to blame the Democrats. Both are wrong! Roe v Wade is to blame as this law lowers the life of an unborn or partially born child in the category of medical waste! If some of you are uncomfortable with the description of partial-birth abortion, then unfriend me, cause that's the way it works!

Watch the video with the article--they found air in the baby's lungs which meant it did breathe and cry for a period after birth.

This wasn't a partial birth abortion, which is only performed in extreme cases where either the mother or the baby's death is nearly certain, and it is ONLY legal if there is clear medical evidence for it to be performed and it is performed by a medical professional. By anyone else, it is manslaughter or murder.

totally true - hypocrites!

Mike--I can see your point about our own starving and our homeless--however, the story IS about a mother who killed a newborn (true the baby could have been a still-born) but still-- she did not do the right thing regardless!!!!! Therefore, even though I support what you're saying, it just doesnt fit here. This "non-story" is something we all seem to take to heart, its very sad....and thats why there are people commenting on it.

I really could care less btw--about your ridiculous remark on adoption for out of work middle-aged men..seriously? we are all suffering due to the economy--you just have to make due....get on day by day....thats how life is anymore, and Ive come to terms with it. Theres honestly nothing we can do about it unfortunately. BUT THIS ARTICLE WAS ABOUT A MOTHER DOING THE UNTHINKABLE TO A BABY! Don't lose your heart because we were failed, that baby had no part in how our lives have been or about where they are going....

Where in the USA is an adult or thousands dying of starvation? We are the fattest country on the planet and food stamps are there for the taking.

OH, get real Schmidt. You can't compare a murdered infant to an out of work man. Get over yourself. The homeless and unemployed are far from defenseless. Your comment sickens me, completely pathetic and outrageous

Many children in the United States do go hungry. And food stamps cover the first two weeks of a month at best for a family of four.

@massachusettsmom

First, how is one life more/less important than the other?

Second, get out of my state, you are embarrassing us

Apples to oranges, Mike. An out-of-work, middle-aged man CAN go get a job at the gas station, grocery store, car wash, etc if he is that desperate for employment...problem is, that out-of-work man (and all the out-of-work women as well) CHOOSE not to. And even if an adult chooses not to work, there are shelters and soup kitchens that an adult can go to get a meal and free clothing.

How was this baby supposed to get himself out of the dumpster, Mike? How was this newborn baby supposed to find shelter, food and clothing for himself?

Mike, I don't know where you live but where I live there are jobs everywhere, the homeless choose their lives and don't want the responsiblity of having a home, mortgage etc. And there are places the homeless can go to get a free meal if they want to.

Hey Sheryl,

Would you hire someone without an address and was dirty and smelly? Didn't think so. How is a homeless person supposed to get a job with no money to get back and forth to work, no clean clothes, bad hygiene, and no address?

Jeanette, your question, "where in the USA is an adult or thousands starving?"

Have you ever left your neighborhood? I assume you must be blind or have never ventured into any or our cities or rural areas, people are starving in this country right now, starving to death you moron, your question is imbecilic. The value of life in our Western society is simple, if you're a baby, a child or a woman your life is valuable, if you're none of these things society thinks it's funny when you die. All of the women above who disagree with that assertion only do so to maintain the status quo. There will never be true equality until all human life is valued equally, like that's ever going to happen...

Mike, I don't know where you live but where I live there are jobs everywhere,

Oh, you live in China? How nice!

Mike Schmidt - the difference between an infant and a grown person should be obvious to you, unless you are missing half your brain.

No flbikerchick, she lives in the United States.

What she is saying is that things are better today then they were 4 years ago, that Americans where she lives all have jobs. That unemployment is now a personal choice.

She is an Obama supporter, arguing against the Romney platform that Obama has failed to fix the economy.

Mr. Schmit, you are apparently an uncaring ignorant person who tries to place a price tag on humans. Everyone is valuable. And, just who is starving to death in this country and where? There are programs and help for people all over this country. If they are starving, it's because they haven't been provided the information about where to go to get help and food. We are a wasteful nation, but we are also generous to a fault and rise to the occasion when called upon to help others! So, don't make prosperous people out to be stingy! Instead of sitting in judgement why don't you provide all of us with information about communities where starvation is occuring? Why don't you make a difference? Obviously, you have access to a computer, so what does that tell the posters here? Are you a middle-aged man who goes without food and shelter? If so, why? There are lots of reasons for people to be down on their luck -but no one in this country should ever have to go hungry!

Smartkid, in theory you're correct, there are programs that help people with basic nutritional deficits they may have due to a number of circumstances, most people only take issue when the circumstances seem, (from an outside perspective), to be easily curable, this is a large reason people criticise social welfare programs, they say, in essence, "I wouldn't be like that, they have no excuse for not trying harder or getting help with their problem," the error here is using a personal societal schema and failing to consider biological factors, the actual social situation and socialization of the individual in question and for all your intelligence, Smartkid, you're only looking at the picture through your limited scope. Also geographical variances need to be taken into account, the amount and availability of social welfare programs is confounded by geography. Point is, you have to at least be capable of seeing the forces that are at work while maintaining the humility to admit there are probably forces at work which you can't see.

A look at her eyebrows was all I needed.

She looks like a meth head

Voice of experience?

Kaybee: In some counties pop-ups will appear on a persons computer of daily arrests in the county and what the offense was. After seeing countless photos of people arrested for meth, they start to have "a look".

Kaybee, put down yer Etch A Sketch and Google 'pictures of meth' and see what I'm talking about, this chick would fit right in....

I was only taking a poke at someone, Jeanette... and it wasn't you. :)

This woman was apparently a hooker near the bottom of the rung. Since she was observed drinking and smoking while obviously pregnant, it's probably likely she used other drugs as well.

I'll probably get collapsed for saying this, but is there an ounce of sympathy anywhere for this woman? Does anyone feel pity for her that this is what her life has come down to?

kaybeetoys - no, not an ounce.

So, RSB, let me guess: you're a Christian who goes to church each and every Sunday?

She has a chance at being straight and pretty again. 33, Blonde, HWP, there are nice older men that would consider her a real find.

Kaybeetoys, I have sympathy for her and the way this little boy died breaks my heart. The mother is an addict no doubt. As a recovering addict (3 years 6 months 17 days clean) I can't not feel sympathy for her. I hope that she cleans up and prison is her bottom. I am grateful that my bottom was much higher. I did some things that make me cringe to think od today though. Even before heroin became my Lord and Master I always heard my Grandmother that the only time you should look down on a person is if you are extending a hand to help them up. My Grandmother was the smartest woman ever and the most compassionate. I love her so much.

Kaybeetoys said;

I'll probably get collapsed for saying this, but is there an ounce of sympathy anywhere for this woman? Does anyone feel pity for her that this is what her life has come down to?

The Christian Bible says love the sinner, hate the sin.

I hate the fact that somewhere down in her mind she thought that her baby would be better off dead than alive. I hate the fact that she has substance abuse problems. I hate the fact that she apparently had no support system that realized she was pregnant, about to give birth, and couldn't take her into their home for just a little while, until the baby was born so it would be safe.

Do I hate her? Not really. I hate the choices she's made, but somewhere in her life there must have been experiences that shaped those choices, and one wonders if things had gone differently, would she be a different person? And when she goes to prison, gets clean, gets sober, the enormity of what she's done will sink in and she will have to live with that the rest of her life. So. Pity? Yes. That doesn't mean I condone what she did, or think that she shouldn't pay the price for it.

Thanks for being brave enough and honest enough to tell your story, Dawn. I believe that no life is without hope. My hope is that everyone who reads your comment will pause for a moment and consider how important it is for all of us to have some compassion for those who have made terrible choices.

Amanda, I agree this woman needs to suffer the consequences of her decisions. Some people can't seem to learn the hard lessons until they hit rock bottom.

RIGHT!

Many babies have a biological birth giver and a sperm provider. Unless a television qualifies as a parent.

For all we know he was the reason she did this. We don't know what her situation was. I can't imagine what would cause a mother to think this was her best option. Either she's depraved, selfish and sick or felt she had to do it because she believed other options would be worse.

Thats funny! Where is the father? Just because there is a baby doesnt mean theres a father too.

@Linda

Really? what century are you living in? Don't you know that the Welfare system has eliminated all need for fathers to be present after the sperm donation? Don't you know that welfare has purposefully destroyed the traditional family to create government dependence in order for the left to buy votes?

Wake up!

Nice, not to mention the fact that men are told repeatedly that they have no say and the only rights they have to their children are the ones women give them.

The father might not have been told by the female that there was a pregnancy.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing the father was long gone by the time the mother discovered she was pregnant.

Just because there is a baby doesnt mean theres a father too.

Sorry. That made me giggle.

Wisconsin: Thank you for using your brain.

Yep... and the Casey Anthony case law has now made it perfectly legal to kill your children and get away with it.

killing your children has been legal in this country for a long time. Well before Casey Anthony.

Yes, it does always seem to happen in Florida....

reproductive rights are one thing, but throwing a newborn child in the trash is another....drop the charges, really? Are you that big of a moron?

this lady chose not to be a mother. why do you want to limit her ability to make that choice?

Exactly, if she chose to have an abortion 24 hours prior, there would be no charges. Why is she being charged at the time of birth?

RSB-1731041

Exactly, if she chose to have an abortion 24 hours prior, there would be no charges. Why is she being charged at the time of birth?

RSB... abortion is only legal during the first trimester, except in cases where the mother's life is in danger or the fetus is not viable (i.e. will be stillborn).

kaybeetoys...There are a lot of "religious" people out there, but not all are Christians. Christianity is not a religion, it is a life style. I'm sorry you don't get to see it in practice due to spiritual complacency by many. There is so much hate and entitlement lifestyles...that it almost boggles the mind. People look for the worse in others at all levels. Actions do speak louder than words...and as that may be true, the people that issue hate from their mouths only make themselves look worse and expose their bitterness, jealousy, and envy. Self-centeredness is part of what is destroying this nation...go back and read what everyone has written and you will see it. The lack of common sense is frightening in its own right.

drop the charges? Really? what planet do you live on. Even if she didn't kill the infant, she still deposited the baby in a "dumpster." If the child was still born, call the authorities and get it all cleared up, no harm done. She would not be charged for that.

And yes, she did have a choice about getting pregnant. It is called using contraceptives (i.e. a condom). She was stupid enough not to use a condom thus pregnant. She could have seen a doctor after she became pregnant and had an abortion then. How stupid can you be to go through the whole 8-10 months of pregnancy with all the pain and emotional strains and give birth just to throw it away in a dumpster. Florida has a law that allows a woman to drop a newborn baby off at a fire station, hospital, or a police station with no questions asked to prevent this sort of thing form happening.

I swear to GOD people need to go through some sort of mandatory evaluation to see if a woman, or even a couple, are mentally, physically, and financially competent enough to have a child. If something like that was in place, this would never happen.

She had the choice to have an abortion, what does the legal status of abortion have to do with it? She chose to not have an abortion and then throw the child in the dumpster after birth. Abortion has nothing to do with this. Well, except that she was able to tell people that she had one and no one but the hospital thought to look for the child.

Abortion is murder. "I knew every hair on your head before the world was formed." If you are of the younger entitlement generation and believe that we are random... what a shame. There will come a time when you will know differently. There is a consequence to every action.

Oh please, Cindy - not everyone believes in the religious stuff. Anyway, if there ever was a "heathen", that pitiful addicted woman is the poster child.

Pup1... you know a lot about meth? Are most 'johns' on meth?

...geez, the things you can learn online... ;)

The police really should dna the infant, especially since it was male - perhaps the sperm donor was an offender of some sort and on police files.

She doesn't look that young to me. In fact the article notes that she is 33 YEARS OLD! So she is a complete grown up. What a stupid hideous thing to do - she could have gone to a number of places - including going to a clinic that does abortions because there she would find any right to life organization protesters or a number of church groups willing to pay for EVERYTHING as long as she didn't abort that baby.

But perhaps that was the point - this woman did not want to give up drinking and Cigarettes long enough to ensure a healthy baby. (citing the evidence in the video here)

That poor child was doomed from the start - there are people in this life where God needs to rethink his almighty "Plan" - these people should never be able to even carry a child - give that gift to someone else.

You find a dead baby funny sicko! What is happening in society ? You are an ignorant person and a disgrace .

One more thing id like to throw you in the trash scum.

Here comes the joke police. Lighten up jackass.