
Lisa Bul / AP file
Robert Kosilek sits in Bristol County Superior Court, in New Bedford, Mass., Jan. 15, 1993. Kosilek, now named Michelle, has since undergone hormone treatment for gender-identity disorder.
A federal judge in Boston on Tuesday ordered the Massachusetts Department of Corrections to provide sex-change surgery to a transgender inmate serving life in prison for murder, ruling that failure to do so violated the prisoner's Eighth Amendment right to adequate treatment.
U.S. District Judge Mark Wolf ruled in the case of Michelle Kosilek, born as Robert Kosilek, who is serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole for murdering his wife in 1990. Kosilek who identifies as female, has received hormone treatments and lives as a woman in an all-male prison.
Wolf found that surgery is the "only adequate treatment" for Kosilek's "serious medical need."
"The court finds that there is no less intrusive means to correct the prolonged violation of Kosilek's Eighth Amendment right to adequate medical care," Wolf wrote in his 126-page ruling.
According to The Associated Press, Wolf is the first federal judge to order prison officials to provide the surgery for a transgender inmate.
"This is a very big victory," Kosilek's attorney, Frances S. Cohen told NBC News. Although the ruling is not binding outside the state, she said: "I think it will be very influential beyond Massachusetts."
It was not known whether the Massachusetts Department of Corrections would appeal the ruling.
After Kosilek first sued the department 12 years ago, Wolf ruled that Kosilek was entitled to treatment for gender-identity disorder, but stopped short of ordering surgery. In 2002, Kosilek started a trial of hormones, with the intention of reevaluating the need for surgery. She sued again in 2006.
The department was supposed to reevaluate after one year, according to Cohen.
"In 2006, it became clear that they were not doing this in good faith," she said.
According to the judge's statement, Kosilek's anguish from gender identity disorder caused him to "attempt to castrate himself and to attempt twice to kill himself while incarcerated.”
Prison officials repeatedly cited security risks in the case, saying that allowing the surgery would make Kosilek a target for sexual assault.
But Wolf found that the department's security concerns are "either pretextual or can be dealt with by the DOC." He said it is up to prison officials to decide how and where to house Kosilek after the surgery.
"The DOC has the discretion to make good faith, reasonable decisions concerning security if the surgery genuinely creates or increases any risk to Kosilek or others," he wrote.
The Massachusetts ruling came just two weeks after the American Psychiatric Association published its updated position strongly endorsing access to treatment for transgender and gender variant individuals, noting that they "can benefit greatly from medical and surgical transition treatments."
"There is increased awareness that this kind of care is not particularly special," said Kristina Wertz, director of programs and policy at the nonprofit Transgender Law Center in San Francisco. "It's just medically necessary care. Our prison systems have an obligation to provide medically necessary health care."
This article includes reporting by The Associated Press.
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He or She killed someone and is in prison for life, and the taxpayer gets to pay for this clowns gender reassignment? Honestly, why do we all bother to work anymore, when you look at how your money is pi$$ed away, this makes no sense.
This is Obamacare at it's finest. I do not like my taxes paying for this. Can we sue back? Were the prosecuting attorney(s) even working to not let this happen?
If the prisoner can afford the surgery on his own, then let him pay for the surgery and put the resulting "it" in a female prison for the rest of it's life with no parole possible. If not, do not use my taxes for the surgery.
This must be Mr. President Obama's forwarding of hope and change. If they keep increasing taxes and taking away the average working person's freedoms, it will not be much longer until the United States really does become a true 2nd rate or 3rd world country. Regular citizens will be ruled by a Marxist dictator if Mr. President Obama has his way. He already uses Exective Orders to ignore the legislative bodies now.
In my opinion.
Numb3rTech is an example of how people comment without grasping the essentials of the message. This person's treatment will be paid for by the Massachusetts Department of Corrections. It has nothing to do with the Federal health care law.
However, I do not agree that this person, who has lived for a number of years as a man should be treated for his psychological problem with tax-payer funds to become a woman who is going to die in prison.
Wow, Numb3rTech - you are really earning your stripes! I understand the desperation of GOP and BO-haters to tie ANYTHING healthcare to Obama... but you, my friend, have set the standard high ("low"?) for others to beat.... Congrats.
To..Numb""""
No it's not ...
Numb3rTech, as the only industrialized nation without universal health care (and I'd like to point out that even Rwanda has universal health care), you can rest assured your place as a 2nd or 3rd rate country is that much further away.
I am so glad I don't live in Mass because I would be pissed off. I might just request a caveat on behalf of the good citizens of Mass....like the Prison system will only be required to pay for the surgery only once his victim takes her next breath. Until then perhaps this man should just hold onto his own penis and be grateful that he breathes more constantly than his deceased wife.
After viewing his trans gender pic....he is one butt ugly woman the state will be doing him a greater service by requiring him to live as a man.
This is very wrong with so many people out of work. How much is that surgery? 30 grand, less, more? Either way, if it's anywhere near that, I know some recent college grads that would do anything for that salary. I thought prison inmates loose there rights in jail?It IS punishment, right? Maybe not all of them but they definitely loose some.
I'd say fine, let him have the surgery if and only if he has the cash up front for it. I'm sure there are plenty of hard-working, taxpaying, non-murdering people out there who would like to have this done, but can't afford to. There's no way any government (state, federal, etc.) should be forced to pay for it for a criminal.
Numb3rTech, I read this article and did not see President Obama or the Affordable Care Act mentioned at all. I did however, note that the Mass DOC was not in support of this decision. And, since this guy has been in prison for years, I doubt the prosecutors are much involved at all. I did a quick on line search and found that this judge was actually appointed to the Federal Court by right wing hero Ronald Reagan in 1985. So I truly believer your anger is misdirected. I do not see where President Obama has ANYTHING whatsoever to do with this.
D Gerrow - the fact that Rwanda offers universal healthcare is proof enough that it's not always a good thing. Actually having lived in the U.K. for 10 years back in the 90's the healthcare for babies and children is amazing. However, I saw more and more adults past the age of 60 and as young as their 50's who were denied coverage for things we take for granted here, like cataract surgery, knee-replacement surgery... and a friend's api in a country hospital that looked like one of the war triages from WWI horrified me. Outside of the major cities universal healthcare in the U.K. isn't all it's cracked up to be, and it was one of the major reasons we chose to return to the U.S. when my husband turned 60. Now doing my research on Obamacare it looks like we'll be on the move again.
i'm with you subiesteve. who the hell voted for this idiot judge? he should be disbarred and then given a sex change operation himself. that i would pay for...
I don't live there, but I don't think the state or anyone but one low-life judge should pay that bill. I hope he has some deep pockets.
Someone aught to get a grasp on what that judge was smoking, if it was a pipe, I would check and see what kind of "leaf" he had in it.
Obama care? How did you make that connection? Didn't you read "Massachusetts" ? So if you really want to assign this to someone try Romney. You may not know this but he was the governor of Massachusetts and brought about his version of Obama care to everyone in the state!
Jesus, do I have to explain everything?
THIS is what is wrong with America today. Why do we even bother paying taxes anymore?
In absolute agreement with you. This person is in prison for killing somebody and the public is supposed to give a good God damn if he/she is unhappy with their sex and tries to castrate or kill himself??? I think NOT!!! This POS does NOT have the right to expect anybody to pay for his operation and this Judge is a little bit crazy!!!! Prisoners should only be entitled to 3 hots, a cot, a shower a couple of times a week and adequate necessary medical care. NOT elective surgery!!!! Send the POS to a shrink yeah, but major surgery cause he's nuts?!?!?! NOT!!!! AVerage, decent, law abiding, hard working people CAN'T even afford basic medical/dental/vision care and these son-of-a-bitch lowlife felons think they deserve better than their victims????? Something certainly is seriously wrong with the American justice system!!!!!!!!
This is a prime example of our Constitution being outdated. Seriously, do any of you think our founding fathers thought a sex change operation was feasible when they drafted the 8th amendment?
This, and many other rules need to be updated for modern society. I'm so sick of idiots abusing the Constitution and running to rules written hundreds of years ago.
Subiesteve !! Thank you for the good laugh ....found in your comments <<< Reassignment>>> you are so right ...Since when the inmates have rights ? I thought those are taking away , once you are incarcerated .Isn't he -she "FRANKYE" the politician's girlfriend ? may be that's why he-she gets the beneficial treatment.
Sorry Number#3, you are wrong, the answer to every ill in these United States is not President Obama. I know it must be easy for you to assign the blame to him, but just stop and think. This is Massachusetts, where Romneycare is fully implemented, and still the blame does not go to Mr. Romney. It was an order given by the courts. Yes the courts, a separate Branch of the government often gets it wrong. Let us hope that the Corrections Dept., if forced to do this, can assign this fellow or woman something productive to do and pay him or her 15 cents per hour for the rest of his life, and thereby recoup the cost.
This is completely outrageous. This clearly falls into the category of elective surgery and is not something that taxpayer's dollars should be paying for. There is absolutely no medical necessity for this surgery. What is next, forcing the taxpayer to pay for an inmate's plastic surgery to fix a crooked nose or breast augmentation for female prisoners. I certainly hope that this gets appealed and that this ruling is thrown out. The idea that any judge would hand down a ruling like this is absurd and the judge should be removed from the bench. There is absolutely no justification for this complete waste of taxpayer funds.
"If you thought the last four years were bad just wait until we get four more"
Obama/Biden 2012
In 2008 you proved to the world you were not a racist. In 2012 you will have a chance to prove to the world that you are not a complete idiot.
I remember a time when "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body" was a joke. Ahh, the good old days.
So, after the surgery does he stay in a men's prison or transfer to a women's prison? It sounds like they intend to keep him where he is, but what's to keep him from demanding to be placed in a women's prison. What's to keep the women from demanding he stay where he is? I can see this leading to an early parole to cut the number of lawsuits down.
That is going to be one fugly female if you ask me, and I guess she will end up munching on female prison carpets for life. That sounds like a fair punishment to me.
A man that likes men and wants to be a woman, sent to a female prison where she will now be munching on all the things she doesn't want..
Now that is definitely poetic justice!
tehehehehehehe...
This is Not "Healthcare". This is elective surgery, and as such should be paid for by the inmate or his/her/its family.
The state should not be paying for this.
This is not a need, it's a want. This bastard took an innocent life, and we pay for this treatment.
Number3rTech, this has nothing to do with Obamacare. Nice try though. LOL
Anyone that does not pay for their transgender surgery should not have this paid for by taxpayers. A man in N killed a person and was on disability for depression and was having the surgery paid for by taxpayers. Anyone in Mass. should vote Judge Wolf out of court for something so stupid. He killed his wife so he should not have any rights!
Obamacare doesn't even start until 2014, so stop blaming health reform on everything!
Honestly, this is a medical condition like anything else. The only reason we're hung up on it is because it has to do with sex.
Let him have his surgery.
NO!!!!!!!! You think he should have it Bart Conner then YOU cough up the dough yourself!!!!!!!
It would be much more expedient if he was treated with lead from a firing squad, no anesthesia required.
"attempt to castrate himself and to attempt twice to kill himself while incarcerated.”
I've got an idea. Let "IT" succeed with the suicide attempts.
Now, tell me the judicial system is not out of control.
OK....... only if Wolf pays for it out of his pocket!
Will58...
Agree 100% WTF, another POS liberal judge! Impeach the bastard! A MURDERER, REALLY??
Un-F'ing-Real...
Bart. You are what is wrong with this country.
W....T.....F is going on in this country when murdering lifer can get an ultraexpensive elective surgery paid for by a DOC....
it's almost as crazy as someone claiming it's because of Obamacare....
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He still has the muscle and bone configuration as a man. That would seem like a danger to the other inmates if they transferred him to a women's prison.
This is absolute insanity! A guy kills his wife and now wants the the state of Mass. to pay to cut his balls off and give him a vagina? His/her lawyer claims he tried to kill himself twice. Well, I say the 3rd time is the charm, go for it! Kill your pathetic self and spare the people of Mass. another dime to support you. Liberal judges like this robed clown mark wolf just make me want to puke.
Just hand him a dress and he can watch re-runs of M.A.S.H. and use Klinger as a role model. A lot cheaper.
So very sad our world is so messed up that any person could make this type of ruling.........I have health insurance and only go when I am half dead...........I can't easily afford my deductible and the coinsurance. Yet this waste of life gets free UNNECESSARY treatment.....pathetic
Number3r... If you will do some digging, you will find that Obamacare was fashioned after Mitt Romney's plan that passed in the state of Massachusetts. If you don't live there, don't worry about it. The Mass DOC is footing the bill, I don't agree with it, but am I going to bitch about it? NO Am I going to blame Obamacare? NO I blame the idiotic judge who let this happen. If this person is miserable in prison, good! Great! It's not supposed to be Club Med.
Robert Duckworth
Klinger was my first thought!
I'm counting the days until my last child is out of college to flee this filthy liberal state. What a toilet.
I'm pretty liberal. Probably more liberal than most and I'm not hung up on anything to do with sex(your words--it's actually gender reassignment) or anything else, but I'd have to agree that using taxpayer money for this is pretty outrageous. I wouldn't want it used for a prisoner that needed a hair transplant or plastic surgery either.
We are, after all, talking about a person who committed murder.
That said, perhaps there is more to this story such as it was the murder of an adult that tortured him as a child because of her gender issues.
Tough call but at first blush this seems pretty egregious.
I have multiple sclerosis and am wheelchair-bound, but if I killed someone today and went to prison and a surgical cure came out tomorrow, I would NOT expect taxpayers to pay for that surgery!! That would be one of the consequences of my actions! Period.
Welcome to the Obamanation, where these hundreds of thousands are paid for a criminal doing life for murder when 716 billion has been taken away from seniors health care. Liberal insanity reigns!
@Numb3rTech
Isn't that Romneycare you are referring to? You know the one that make this state 47/50 in term of job growth.
This is so F--king wrong!
mj - he murdered his wife. I doubt that she "tortured him as a child because of [his] gender issues."
cobas - this is a federal judge. You don't vote them out of office.
All - I don't really see this standing up on appeal. If the Mass. DOC has staff lawyers, it really won't cost them anything to take it all the way up. The 1st Circuit Court of Appeal just might be liberal enough to affirm, but not the Supreme Court. They'll rule that corrections/security concerns outweigh the mental anguish of a murderer.
@shaking my head: you appear to be easily fooled.
Very valid observation. "These people" that are angry can blame Romney. His healthcare act in Mass is the template for the national healthcare. Where's the anger towards Romney?
Regarding job creation, Romney only knows how to break up companies and discard employees.
MJ-145...Read the article again - HE is in prison for murdering his wife. Using taxpayer money for this type of surgery is ludicrous! Let him "suffer" his gender identity issue for the rest of his life - let's stop with this pandering to all of these liberal "if it feels good - do it" causes. I'm sure Charlotte, NC will be full of sympathizes this week - maybe Pocahantas the wanna-be Senator will chime in and give her opinion on this. Only in the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts could this happen - gimme a break!
Ya know, sometimes you have to tape your head before reading these articles.
First of all, Amendment 8 of the Constitution has to do with excessive bail....it doesn't say ANYTHING about allowing sex change surgeries. In fact, to summarize, "Amendment 8: Forbids excessive bail, excessive fines, and cruel and unusual punishment." Personally, I don't think not allowing a prisoner to have a sex change operation has ANYTHING to do with cruel and unusual punishment. What in heck do we put people in prison for if not to punish them.....this doesn't mean allowing our taxpayer money to pay for sex change operations!! I mean, seriously, give me a break!! And to think I thought the judges in my state (California) were a little nutsy.....these guys in Massachusetts are even worse!
Let's hope someone higher up than this idiotic judge puts the kabosh on this!! If not, you're going to have a lot of transgender people trying to get into prison so they can get their operations paid for by taxpayers!! You're in jail for punishment people.....get with the program!!
This should make Mass. residents rethink the death penalty! If he is so miserable as a man and murdered his wife....send him to his maker!
@Numb3rTech, hate to tell you buddy but your tax dollars have long gone to healthcare. The government gives away billion dollar contract to major healthcare companies. That's the main source of revenue for these companies. The money that they make of people and companies paying premiums is secondary. Every time someone signs up for a healthcare plan the government pays out $300 per person, even if the plan is cancelled before the first payment.
Is there an argument that supports this decision by the judge?
Ok, I gotta start by saying I'm not defending number... what ever his name is.
But it was a federal judge that said the tax payers of Massachusetts had to pay for this dirt bags sex change.
If I'm ever in prison, I'm going to insist every single day that I deserve surgery to become the 6 Million Dollar Man. We have the technology.
But seriously, this is outrageous and the judge may need to be investigated for senility or fraud.
Here is a prime example of liberal agenda and policy run amuck
Alex Le, this has nothing to do with the Constitution being outdated. This judge is manipulating the Constitution. The judge should be removed from the bench. Such stupidity.
The US schools are in bad shape, the elderly are suffering because of lack of money and taxpayers monies are being thrown away because of this?
Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.
Why does everyone on this vine keep blaming "liberals" for what's going on.....I didn't read anywhere in the article that the judge was a liberal.....in fact, I believe someone said he was appointed by Reagan, who is the poster boy for the Republican Party. I also don't think Massachusetts is considered a "liberal" state.....at least not that I'm aware of. But, what you don't seem to realize is that there are a lot of so-called "liberals" on this vine that are totally in agreement with the conservatives posting here.....you go to jail to be punished; not to get gender reassignment surgery!! And, whether the Massachusetts DOC pays for it or not....it's still taxpayer money that's being spent on something ludicrous!!! Next thing you know, prisoners will want hair implants, plastic surgery, and God only knows what the woman prisoners will want.....bigger ta-ta's, liposuction? I mean really......and I DON'T consider this surgery to be medically necessary!! It's not a matter of life or death....so it's not necessary!!
Um, Mass is considered the most liberal of states. For decades. Wow.
Didi, Conservatives in general, feel that if you are a convicted murderer or child molester or whatever, your rights as a human being are severly limited, But there are too many bleeding heart liberals who keep saying 'no, convicted scumbags do have the same rights as you and I' (Presuming you're are also law abiding). So they get bad laws passed that allow too much of this kind of crap to happen.
I am absolutely shocked at the ruling from this dumb@$$ liberal judge from Massachusetts. How about just strap him on a bed and inject his butt and resolve it once and for all. If he truly is suffering put him out of his sick misery. I would prefer to throw him into the Nile River and let the Crocs decide his fate. But of course that would be cruuuuel and inhumaaaaane!
Because Massachusetts is not know for its conservatism just like liberal Vermont, Oregon and sick California and on and on... The judge is doing one of these touchy/feely crap rulings like liberals are known to do. They always think there doing a good deed because it makes them feel good, not because it is the right thing to do or the legal thing to do. It is strictly emotional and not plain common sense. And since you brought up party affiliation, Clint Eastwood got it right when he said Hollywood was "Left of Lenin."
I blame those 2 ultra liberals Reagan and Romney for this. Reagan appointed the judge, Romney gave them health care reform.
Re-elect the more conservative choice.
Obama/Biden 2012
Rocco, I agree.
For the person way up there, that said this money wasn't tax payer money but the Dept of Corrections money, they are also nuts.. Where in the world do you think all the money comes from? It sure isn't obama money... All money comes from the Tax payers. I guess when people finally wake up to that fact they might have a different idea of things.
This Judge's ruling is appalling. More waste coming from the Democrats. The Debt Clock just turned over today to 16 Trillion dollars folks.. Don't you think we have had enough change and transgender change?
It's the judge's ruling. Let him pay for the surgery.
The people of Massachusetts need to ride this idiot judge out of the state on a rail and demand their state supreme court issue and injunction against any such surgery. This surgery will easily top 100K for this murderer. paid by the law abiding tax paying citizens of the state. Are you freaking kidding me?
It's bad enough the guy is a murderer, now he wants to get gender reassignment surgery so it is transferred to a women's prison? Toss his ass into General population, G pop has a way of weeding out the weirdo's and pervs. I doubt the bull's in the women's system will treat him like a long lost sister,,,,,More likely than not he/she/it will get a crap stomped out of he/she/it daily.
See, just goes to show, many in the judicial system have the heads up their azz. Sex change for a convicted murderer, I've really heard it all now.
Graylady25, Take a good look at this guy/gal's, picture there IS no muscle configuration! I think you made a good point though, Graylady. The next thing will be that this "system milking" inmate will demand to be moved to a female institution post surgery. Where he will get the ever loving $hit kicked out of him because he is nothing more than a woman killing insult to their gender! Brings a whole new meaning to the term,"bitch slapped"!
Rocco1...I don't recall Reagan as a liberal, and I do not recall him appointing liberal judges to the courts. Take a minute, pull your head out of your... and you might see where nobody, liberal or conservative is condoning this ruling. The general consensus here is that this is a bad decision. This Reagan appointed judge made a bad decision. Get it?
Oh, like he/she/it is not ALREADY a target for sexual assault?!?!
So! Sounds like he was headed in the right direction until "libby the wonder judge" got involved.
Sing it like a Bee Gee ; ; Massachusetts ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN4G7goR4LA&feature=fvst wonder if he get's a hair transplant with that big ole muff...
If I lived in Massachusetts I'd stop paying taxes to the state in protest! How dare they use tax payer money for this? INSANITY!!!
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May I suggest you go back to school and take a few psychology courses and learn a bit about the human brain and it's functions.
A lot of men, and women are born with the wrong anatomy. Thank goodness that surgical procedures can now match up the body with the brain that thinks differently when it comes to the sex of any man and woman.
We are all born differently, and we all see and think differently as well.
I am sorry. This is a hardened criminal who MURDERED his wife. I do not want my tax contribution to go to this man's surgery.Maybe he can WORK write a book about himself and pay for his own surgery.
Didi, Just because Ronald Reagan appointed him in '85 is not reason to believe he isn't Liberal nor Reagan's fault,but you Lib apologist do enough blaming already. He is a product of Harvard Law School, like Obama. There have been other Republican appointee's jump ship, Colin Powell for instance. You did the research that deemed redemption from the Liberals that this Judge was Reagans fault, but how did you miss the fact that Massachussetts was Liberal as hell before Ted Kennedy dropped dead? Under Kennedy it was one of the first states to declare same sex unions but didn't have an exit plan for those divorces? I'm the better mommy,no,no, I'M the bettere mommy! Judge Wolf may have had his head on straight under Reagan, but now he's a Liberal,Didi, and a prime example of what not to vote for in November! ROMNEY/RYAN '12 DON'T BLOW IT AGAIN AMERICA!
Chas Bono has been saving up for his gender reassignment - $150,000 plus to get it done "right." He said that his current commitments of spousal and child support and divorce costs and living expenses have precluded him from getting it when he wants - Maybe he can convince his health care insurer that this isn't elective surgery and procede to get it paid for - this convicted murderer did.
This judge needs a brain change! The one he has is obviously not working anymore.
wow, kewl, if I ever get sent up the river, I'm going to demand to be outfitted with a vagina so I can do myself whenever I want to, it certainly would be in the best interest of me, myself and I.
Criminals have better insurance than hard working Americans, this is one reason why the country is so f'ked up!
HELP WANTED: Federal Judge
QUALIFICATONS: Must be breathing; Having a brain is optional.
"What is wrong with you!?"
"You can't be serious!"
"Get away from me!"
"Only a complete idiot would say something like that!!"
...and again, "What is wrong with you!?".
If so, well then your in luck because this means that you are suberbly qualified to serving as a Federal Judge! Please contact us right away so that you may make an appointment to be interviewed, and please be sure to bring with you at least three letters of reccomendation from people who cannot stand you and think you to be the world's biggest idiot.
Oh, mark my words. Five years from now we'll be reading a small one-paragraph internet article stating that this spoof has been released on "good behavior" combined with the rationale "it's for his/her/it's own personal safety."
Two months after THAT we'll be reading that he killed ANOTHER woman. Perhaps out of a fit on envious rage because he didn't come out quite as good looking as her. Breast envy, you know. And the beat goes on.........
Great, thanks a whole lot, NBC!!!!! Now my wife wants to hurt me so that she can get a face lift! I told her the biggest problem with that is that we don't live in Massachusetts.
Sorry, goosestepper, but this "POS liberal judge" was appointed to the bench in 1985 by none other than Ronald Reagan.
What a lot of whining. I believe it was YOU VOTERS that set this precedent with all the nonsense, "They were born that way, and this is just corrective surgery for a birth defect" crapola.
Where exactly did you think this was going to head when you elected to legalize homosexual marriage? That was just the first step in a long journey which you are now seeing where it is heading.
Here is nice little article on OTHER THINGS that have since taken place since this law was put into effect:
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html
* “Gay days” in schools are considered necessary to fight “intolerance” which may exist against same-sex relationships.
* parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.”
* Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!
* School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.
* Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing.
NevadaJ, Judge Wolf was the product of Harvard Law,like Barack Obama. This appointment could have been a way for Reagan as a politician to reach across the isle in congress to get bills passed for the good of all. President Bush faced a problem with a Supreme Court appointee over a "pubic hair on my Coke can". Maybe you would like it better if the Republicans just said F--k anyone from Harvard and who are black? Who is "goosestepping now, NevadaJ"?
Who cares who appointed the judge, who cares about the judge's political leanings, we should all care that a braindead judge is forcing taxpayers to pay for a murderers sex change so he/she won't be depressed. Like, who cares what the POS state of mind is, he certainly didn't seem to care much about a fellow human being unlucky enough to have married him.
Personally, I think that the POS should be handed a scalpel and given the opportunity to self emasculate. Think the state could chip in and buy him/her the scalpel which should be all that taxpayer money is spent on.
1st Fortunately Numb Nuts (short for) Numb3rTech your comments were collapsed by
the community.
2nd it might be good idea in the future for you to check the facts before babbling about your “in
my opinion” comments.
The judge Mark Wolf, was appointed to the federal bench by President Ronald Reagan in 1985.
The tax payers of Massachusetts will pay for the surgery.
Wolf was nominated to the court by President Ronald Reagan.
Wants to be a man..but maintains a long hairdo and wears feminine earrings...
Your honor, my client no longer wishes to be a man, and so he is requesting that the state pay for his surgery so that he can become a Leprechuan!
Rudisius Maksimus
Fully transitioning from one gender to the other can cost much more than $30,000, depending on what all is done. But, the overall costs can go as high as $100,000. However, since the surgery will be paid for by the DoC, I doubt they will be willing to pay for all the additional cosmetic modifications. (Breast implants, Adam's apple removal, etc.) Most likely, the only thing they'll pay for is the genital reassignment surgery which costs around $20,000, give or take. But, even that, understandably, will probably be unacceptable to the people of Massachusetts.
Simple solution: Take the cost of the surgery out of the judge's salary for the next 5 yrs in annual increments..........why should tax dollars pay for cosmetic surgery?
What's the big deal??? Just give me a hacksaw and I'll do it.
I think since the JUDGE says it can be done we need to send him the Bill..... This clown should be dead not sitting in jail being support by us taxpayers..... When is CAPITAL PUNISHMENT ever going to be carried out properly..... Found Quilty take out back and shoot them.....
12 years ago... this POS sued for the first time... Since 1990, taxpayers been paying for his laundry, food, 'housing', 'babysitters' (prison guards), his dental and his vision and his psychologist and his psychiatrist and then, for his lawyers and legal care, etc., etc.. !
Then, he has a 'gender-identity' crisis, and taxpayers pay for his 'hormone treatments', and now, he still isn't a happy person- just might cut off his own genitalia- or even kill himself, he is so unhappy... and what do I say about it? So what!
What did his wife get? What do any of the taxpayers that pay for Mass. DOJ get? Do they get dental? Do they get vision care? Do they get free everything? I think that everyday people are working their azzes off to try to keep their heads above water (if they haven't already sunk)- and this joke gets a GENDER CHANGE OPERATION?
Is this judge nuts or just plain senile? If not having the surgery leaves HIM depressed, treat his depression, with a ton of PROZAC, but no surgery. Get over it! Buy a new pair of EARRINGS!
THIS JUDGE NEEDS TO BE THROWN OUT- this is elective surgery! After that, maybe he will attempt suicide because his eye-lashes aren't long enough...LOL. Poor baby... geee whiz...
Since when do the taxpayers HAVE to contribute to purchase PUZZY?
What really gets my dander up is regardless of Presidential politics, I think this IS a result of the perception that LeGiBiT issues are "status quo" and should be supported.... we as a nation have done this to ourselves and this IS the tip of the ice berg as j70141 in Colorado outlined.
Romney/Ryan 2012
Welcome to the culmination of 50 years of liberal ideology. The Honorable Mark Wolf has entrenched his ruling in sound precedent and solid logic worthy of his Harvard education. With the aid of the DOC doctors and the blessings of the respected field of medical psychology, he has once again proven that aggressive education is still the best cure for common sense.
Li-Li
Why?
Maybe if gay people weren't pressured and forced into heterosexual marriages they didn't want in the first place, this might have never happened.
I'm sure that less than 1/10th of your penny is going to make you go broke. /s
Maybe he could, maybe he can't, but would you buy it if he did? Didn't think so!
If a prison pays for drug addictions/habits, cancer treatments, dentistry, etc... then why not fix this man's brain to match his outer body. Hermaphrodites have corrections made, so do other men that are born in the wrong body have sex changes so that their body matches up with their brain, and the way their brain thinks and feel.
Just because a man is born with a penis, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was meant to be born a man with a penis. Making this correction is a medical procedure under the medical board guidelines. They are correcting where the developmental stages of a child being created didn't make a complete male or female.
jussayin-
Who gets "forced" into marrage? This is elective surgury and he wants something cosmetic.
j70141colorado
i just checked out your link and my jaw about hit the floor!! if i recieved papers from my 7 year olds school stating they will be teaching gay marriage and homosexuall techniques in her school, i would not only ask for an opt out i would take my child out of that school and home school her if necsisary. that is terrible what happened to that guy all because he did not want his young impresionable child to learn about the gay lifestyle in school. i dont care what gays and lesbians do in their home but they will not be teaching it to my little girl!! thanks for the info i had no idea that kind of thing could even take place in our schools. disgusting. as for the shim in the story, no way . who cares what this person has to suffer thru. if you are in prison for murder then you have no rights! and i cannot believe a judge would make such a rulling. just when i think nothing can shock me these days i read a story like this and im left scratching my head. what happened to the u.s.? we were truly a great nation at one time. im 37 and i can remember even as early as in my youth thinking what a great place america is. man how the times have changed. and for the worse im afraid. i dont see things getting better any time soon no matter who the next president is. we are to far gone to come back to our glory days in the near future. too bad huh.
Arieus..... There is this thing called divorce which is available here to any married person; being unhappily married is no excuse to murder someone. This schmuck just wants to blame everyone else for his "unhappiness". I see no reasonable excuse for the state or federal government to pay for a criminals sex change. I would rather see them pay for all the law-abiding citizen's surgery....
great idea! i lost my job and healthcare and have to pay the dentist almost $1800 cash to have a root canale and crown and this murderer gets to have this sex change operation done for free? wtf? how is this needed medically? this is something this person wants, not needs. truly a waste of tax money. and who cares if this affects this pos mentally? i sure dont. prison is supposed to be a punishment not a place you go and make life style decisions and pass the bill on to the people who already have to pay for your food, showers, nescasary health care, etc.. i sure hope this decision is overturned. tho the fact that this is a federal judge scares me because this will now become the case all the other inmates refer to when they decide to get penis enlargement because they feel their prison lover is not satisfied sexually anymore or they want but staples to" tie up the loose ends " because they have lost that magic feeling that is gay love behind bars lol. i joke but really this is no laughing matter. if this rulling is able to stand and this pos gets this operation on the tax payers dime, then im sure this wont be the last case but rather the 1st of many bizzare requests made by inmates with lots of time on their hands to come up with even more outlandish ideas to continue to rob the taxpayers of this once great nation out of even more of our hard earned and increasinly fewer dollars! disgusting.
So he wants to be a real prison bioch on the taxpayers dime, and if he does then throw IT in solitary confinement untill IT dies.
Just for the record the gays go to Thailand to have a Takeadickfromme, and the lezbians go th Mexico to have a Addadicktome.
From the comments I have read since I first posted yesterday, I have a few questions. Is this person in a federal prison for the murder of is wife? Why did he not just get a divorce instead of killing his wife? Several companies like IBM, Dell, possibly 3M and a LOT of others have insurance that covers trans-gender surgery, why did this person not get a divorce and find a job with a company that had that type of insurance?
Obamacare will include trans-gender surgery, so those that need it will get it. Obamacare may not have gone into effect yet, but they are already supposed to be setting aside money for it.
I stand by what I said earlier. I do agree that the judge should have to pay for it since he ruled for it. The people of Mass. should really be in an uproar about this. This ruling should definitely be appealed and changed. Just for the record, my name is Sonya and I live in Texas. Yes, I am a redneck as well. I had hoped for a lot better changes from Mr. President Obama, but I am entitled to my opinion just as everyone else is. I do not mind my comments being collapsed, and even though this type of surgery has become classified as a valid surgery by the government, I still do not approve of it in this case. If this person is in a federal prison, then everyone will be helping to pay for it. We have a lot more of this type of surgery to pay for when Obamacare goes fully into effect.
Just my opinion. My thanks to everyone that responded to my comment. I like seeing the opinions of others. Have a great day!
I'm responding primarily to the person who asked if there was any argument to support this judge's ruling. I think the article says that his opinion was over 100 pages long, so I have to confess I haven't read it, but I have a general understanding of the area of law.
First, let's clear up some misconceptions. The guy is in state prison for murdering his wife. Murder is almost never a federal crime. The judge is a federal trial court judge. He's interpreting federal law (the 8th Amendment), so the Mass. Supreme Court can't overrule him. And the people of Mass. can't vote him out.
Now, on to the merits of the ruling.
Courts have interpreted the ban on "cruel and unusual punishment" to include a requirement that prisoners receive adequate medical care. This case is just exploring the limits of that idea. (Don't get me wrong, I think the case was wrongly decided, as I'll explain.)
What happened here is undoubtedly that this fellow got himself a really impressive expert witness to go on and on about how this is a recognized disorder and that there are medical treatments and that his anguish is every bit as much as that of someone with an untreated broken leg.
And that may all be true. I still think it doesn't matter.
I think the courts will ultimately recognize that there are some non-life-threatening inborn dissatisfactions with life that are perfectly treatable, in order to make you feel better than God made you, but that are inappropriate given the nature of being a convicted murderer in prison.
For example, if the guy in the next cell over is addicted to pain pills, the "least intrusive" means of medical treatment is to keep giving him pills. I guarantee you we're not going to do that.
Giving this fellow sex-change surgery presents impossible problems for running a prison. I suppose the easiest thing is to put him in with the women once Mr. Happy's gone, but I have a feeling the women won't like that so much.
This is elective surgery that I'd venture to say most people out in the population that want it can't afford it and will never get it.
So I think the correct rule is, essentially, if you can describe a medical procedure the way I did in the previous sentence, it isn't within the 8th Amendment's definition of "adequate medical care."
Wow. I have a "friend" who's son is an ex felon. He was paid by the gvt. to go to school once he got out of prison and the gvt paid his tuition at a 4 yr university. He got a degree in accounting and now can't find a job....BECAUSE HE IS A FELON. So....now his wife is in school, gvt tuition paid and living expenses from gvt. including child care. And, my kids have to pay for their college, maintain jobs, pay childcare...my kids come from generations of tax paying, law abiding citizens you would think this whole concept would be reversed.
This also reminds me of the guy on death row here in california that got a heart transplant for chrissakes. Imagine have to make the decision to turn off the machine that your loved one is hooked up to and donate their organs, only to discover that some murdering a$$hole on death row got their heart.
Very good news is this thanks to Oboma health care ?
Wow thay really dont call this Great country FREE for nothing !!! Lol
If your a resident of Canada you can get free sex-change operations,its part of there health care !!!
tammylynn, reading the article can help you.
This was a federal judge (apparently appointed by -- wait for it -- Ronald Reagan) ordering the state of Massachusetts Department of Corrections to provide medical care to a prisoner. This has nothing to do with the ACA. It doesn't even have anything to do with Romneycare.
I don't agree with this particular decision, but the principle involved is a perfectly good one (or do you hate the Bill of Rights?). If you break your leg, even on death row, the state has to give you a doctor.
I'm sure you're a very nice and thoughtful person, but this doesn't come across all that well in your commenting style.
Robert Duckworth
Sorry Robert, but you are 100% wrong. This has nothing to do with cosmetics, and everything to do with the brain and how it will match up with this man's body.
I as a burn survivor have had many surgeries done over and over, building a nose for me is considered "cosmetic" but like people of the world that has some form of deformity, it affects the psyche of that individual. The same applies to this man as well.
A lot of people really do need to go back to school and take some psychology courses. You just might learn a few things.
Well, if the prison system was set like most of you want it to be there would be people dying of diabetes, ms, bi-polar mood disorder, schizophrenia, HIV, and lots of other diseases/disorders. You have no idea what it's like to curl up in a ball in the middle of your bed crying and saying over and over that your body is wrong.
Even people in prison have a right to health care, regardless of what you think. Any of you think that maybe having a man's body when her mind told her she's female could have had something to do with the murder of the wife? You have no idea about this woman's mind. Well, except the suicide and self castration already attempted, gee this might be a needed surgery. Unless you think it's okay to let people die simply because they are in prison.
That is the most ridiculous rationalization for anything that I've ever seen...
Do you even realize all of the ailments you listed that actually require surgery are physical, NOT psychological? Mental disorders that manifest through self harm are treated in a mental hospital and THAT is where this guy belongs. Do a little research - The only form of accepted psycho-surgery in history is called a LOBOTOMY. You ever heard of that? It's where they remove part of your brain and you become a zombie.
This isn't about gay/transgender rights. It's not like he can say he was born this way, because clearly he was born with a penis!!!! The decision to physically live as a woman is just that.... A CHOICE!!! This judge is clearly just a GLBT sympathizer and this is not the appropriate venue to push that cause forward. This judge needs to be removed because his interpretation of the 8th Amendment is a serious stretch, at best. You and this judge are actually defending the idea that refusal to perform cosmetic surgery is a cruel and unusual punishment..... ARE YOU KIDDING ME????
It should not be paid for by tax payers unless we are talking about an incurable illness. If it is a psychological issue then give him medication and do with him what they do with all the other suicidal criminal patients in a mental ward. Put him in a straight jacket and isolate him from sharp things.
If we are saying that a surgery which will make someone less depressed is just as important as curing a direct threat to someone's physical health then what is stopping all prisoners with mental disorders from suing the gov't for things that will appease them? This judge is turning the threat of suicide into a legitimate argument for whatever the prisoner wants.
Do you even realize what this opens the door for??..... I will tell you: One could actually turn depression and suicidal thoughts into a legal argument for being released. If you are so willing to step into the mind of a convicted criminal, then why aren't you arguing for all suicidal inmates who just want to go home? Because they all have psychological disorders that can only be cured through immediate release. Does that idea still make your heart bleed??? ........Didn't think so...
I'm sorry but I don't bust my a$$ at work every day and pay my taxes just so I can prevent murderers from being depressed. I shouldn't have to consider this guy's feelings or what is in his mind. His level of happiness isn't ultimately the gov'ts nor the public's responsibility, beyond standard psychological treatment. And admit it, that is the only thing this surgery is intended to change!!!!
You too need to learn a few things.... about MONEY, my friend. A course in psychology doesn't change the fact that this is 1) a non life threatening disorder and 2) a cost that this judge is invoicing the people to perform.
Your surgeries to help your burn scars were not paid for by my taxes. You had insurance or your own cash for that. And what's more, NOT getting those cosmetic surgeries would not have killed you or prevented you from getting other forms of psychological treatment, like medication and therapy.... which is what he/she has already been getting. But no, he/she is not happy ENOUGH so we must buy he/she a vagina so he/she can be happier.
That is totally what prison is all about isn't it, keeping inmates happy???
If this murderer (let's not forget that's why he's in the slammer) wants to get a vagina, then I have no problem with that. Let him have the surgery. But HE/SHE should be finding the funds to cover it. It should not be imposed upon the taxpayers!!!
How little you know about socialized medicine in "INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES!" Australia has socialized medicine and anyone with a decent salary gets private health insurance. When I lived there I had private health insurance and got the best treatment. I had workers on socialized medical care and it was terrible. More than once to get the worker back to work quickly, I paid out of my own pocket for private medical costs. Socialized medicine wanted to wait three months for a fractured nose! Socialized medicine wanted to wait 5 months for an allergy test. Meanwhile the worker could not work and would be on welfare! In Canada, those who buy dental insurance get immediate care. Others have to wait months. Don't talk about socialized medicine until you have been through it.
This criminal is costing society about $30,000 a year to house him, feed him and guard him. Then after he gets his "surgery" there is medical maintenance costs to pay. About $1500 for hormones and psychiatric care. All because he wants to look down and see an artificial vagina instead of a penis. The prison should have let him kill himself.
Lolly1192
Not so bright are you? Do you even realize how many teens and people end up committing suicide over this matter? Didn't think so.
May I suggest that you talk to a therapist also. You sound BITTER, and like you have a lot of hate and other issues.
this isn't about making this man happy. It's about how his brain function of his brain thinks and functions, and his body that doesn't match up with it.
Neither do I. He is an inmate for life, and like all other prisoners, you and the people are paying for dental, cancer treatments and all sorts of surgical procedures on inmates. Should we do away with those as well and tell them to brush their teeth or let them just rot out of their mouths. Taxpayers pay for their TV, food, laundry, toilet paper, and all sorts of things.
He/she is in prison. Where exactly do you think a prisoners is going to find funding for anything? Until you become a judge, then we all will see this kind of thing happening. If we are going to pay for toothbrushes, shampoo and other things for prisoners, treat those with cancer, heart disease, alcoholics, junkies and such in prisons, then this man shouldn't be denied treatment either.
You 1/10th of a penny in taxes on this is not going to break your bank, and if you want, I'll send you a full penny just to stop your bytching and complaining about something that you have no jurisdiction or control over.
jussayin-
You know, I get it, that this fellow is anguished that he's got the wrong plumbing. But he's in prison for life! He will never be allowed have sex; he will never be allowed to choose the clothes he wears. What's left?
Give him therapy and prozac and tell him, no, he's not going to be the only guy in prison who gets his own vagina.
Arieus wrote:
My concern would be for those who want this surgery now, but who may change their mind somewhere down the road. You can't glue (or staple) it back on, after all. I would hope that there are measures in place to prevent these people for suing later on.
It doesn't work that way Jim Comfort. You have to go thru a psych evaluation for a couple of years before it goes to the next stage of surgery.
Let the judge pay, he is a jerk for even thinking about letting this happen and tax payers footing the bill? NO, let the judge foot the bill.
Not only will he get the operation on the taxpayers' dime, after the surgery he'll get all the candy bars and Cup O' Noodles he wants.
The judge in California wrote in his judgment "the suspect in the home invasion case possessed no weapon and according to his own testimony from a hospital bed in intensive care stated that he only meant to steal the VCR and some silverware and intended no physical harm to the homeowner." "The injured plaintiff will now need medical support and will no longer be able to pursue meaningful employment." "Also, the homeowner knew that his roof beams were riddled with dry rot and could pose a safety hazard to anyone walking on the roof for any reason which includes repair, an errant football or the neighbor's cat."
I say let the ignorant judge pay for it
These types of cases (criminal suing the man he tried to rob or at least the man's insurance company) because we live in a nation where it seems that the two words "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" are curse words and are politically incorrect to use. The fact that the judge in CA actually allowed the case to be filed is proof that judges are either trying to make law or interpreting law so tightly that they have all lost common sense.
The most despised, least trusted jobs in the world: Used Car Salesman is now tied with JUDGES (of any kind).
This comes from someone who works within the legal system and is thoroughly convinced that the inmates are definitely running the asylum!
and yet our schools continue to suffer.let the judge pay for it
I totally agree with you. Let the stupid judge pay for it. What an idiot!!
As a prisoner, does she have the right to freedom as prescribed by the constitution? I thought not! If it costs the taxpayers a dime, it is too good for someone who has forfeited their rights as a human being. What the hell is prison about anyway? Granted that we are never 100% sure we got the right person, but please, should we provide them all with sex robots too?
How about life change surgery? Remove something vital.
"We the People" have failed, we need to make a stand and make it now! People with a felony can't even vote in this country and we give this thing a new life after taking someones....sad sad day in the USA!
I think the judge needs to get back on his psychiatric meds pronto!
You others have better solutions for this judge than I proposed...........judge is definitely mentally ill and needs more meds.........
This is ridiculous. This man killed his wife and know he gets a sex changed because he wants to be a woman. He is a murderer and does not have the right to have selective surgery.
Now that the murderer is a woman, will she get a pu**y pass with an early release ? At least transfer her to a women's prison.
Heck no - no transfer. Let him/her stay in the mens prison....they will take care of it quickly and hopefully it is very painful. no sympathy here. also, the people of MASS should demand this judge be taken out of his job. He is a disgrace to the profession.
Why would the women want him with them? I'll bet most of them would consider him still a man but with broken equipment.
I'd agree this judge needs to hear the words..."your fired" and damned soon!!!!!! Let this ridiculous judge pay for this unecessary surgery that this SOB can't and will never be able to pay for!!! Currently members of my family don't even have health insurance yet this "bitch" needs a sex change and taxpayers have to cover it???? Let's make sure all decent and hardworking families get insured before this SOB get's any surgery!!! If he offs himself while he waits for his dream come true who really cares???? Would save the taxpayers of this state lot's of money!!!!!!! THis guy could live for decades at everyone elses expenses. Let him do us all a favor!!!!
Vincent Denali...(#4.1)..." At least transfer her to a women's prison."
That's just nuts ....He's willing to get a lopmydickoffame surgery to GET OUT of the Men's Prison.... to spend the rest of his days with naked women in the showers...Does IT think life will be easier in a Woman's Prison.....Wait till they introduce "her" often to "Mr.Mophandle"....
Massachusetts....Boston.....The Cradle Of Liberty.....What happened to you ??? I don't think this is what our Founders had in mind...
Here is a prime example of liberal agenda and policy run amuck
KEEP IN MIND EVERYBODY - THIS JUDGE CREATED CASE LAW - THE CRAZIES IN YOUR HOMETOWN WILL BE LOOKING TO RAID YOUR POCKET BOOK SOON, ALL BECAUSE THIS JUDGE WANTS TO GIVE THIS CRAZY ELECTIVE SURGERY TO PLACATE HIS MENTAL DISORDER.
Can't help shouting. When will the "right" for every house branch/presidential/now judicial/ banker/ wallstreeter/ mortgage pirate/ to steal my tax money stop?????
This murder has a constitutional right to a needle in his arm. Period. The taxation is tipping so far into the land of insane it is no longer bearable.
I'm still trying to understand how this is "adequate medical treatment"... as far as I am concerned the keyword here is "selective" not adequate. Do insurance companies typically cover this? I think not. Most insurance companies even have a cap for amount that will be paid for psychological counseling. Our prisoners have no such caps. Can a free living/non-prisoner civilian get their state to pay for this? How about a soldier who is serving our country? Anyone who suffers from this very psychologically based (meaning the brain tells them they need/desire to be/are one sex though the body hefting that brain around is the opposite) should not get this paid for by the government and/or taxpayers monies. Should concessions be made to assist his mental state? Counseling I can concede to... help with how to deal with it on a daily basis which is more than many of our law-abiding citizens have access to. Yet if an inmate is a threat or under threat, the prisons have safety measures for those individuals. That in itself should be enough concession. He should have to live his life with the consequences of his choices that put him there and receive no special selective concessions.
The only way this becomes case law, overextended, is if the MA DOC loses on appeal and then loses on appeal to the state supreme court.
The judge in question imposing this "liberal agenda" was appointed to the bench by Ronald Reagan in 1985.
Why is it when you goosesteppers are displeased with something you can never express your feelings without using the word 'liberal', whether it's accurate or not?
I'm probably as liberal as anyone regarding our responsibility to this country's most vulnerable citizens....the elderly, the disabled, and children.....and I just want to shake some sense into the judge who CLEARLY needs to step down due to senility (I'm trying to be generous here) and then go deliver the news to this prisoner that he can go piss up a rope.
why cant this person just be happy to live his\her life as a woman? and be glad that he\she has a life at all> did she consider the feelings of the person heshe murdered? and how do they even get the hormone pills to begin the process of becoming female(like) in prison to begin with? who paid for those pills taxpayers? this is some messed up shiz rite here. heshe cant life shims life as a man anymore because of the effect its having on shims brain, but i guess heshes made piece with the fact that heshe has taken the life of another human that does not get to decide how to live her life. so on one hand " i just cant go on living my life as a man because im a woman trapped in a mans body but on the other hand im just fine with the fact that i murdered my wife and that little fact does not effect my mental well being? B.S. hey atleast if we are gonna pay for it lets outsource the doctor im sure we can get surgeon from some 3rd world country to do it for alot less than an american doctor! and nip ,tuck, slice ,fold, stitch, next!
Very Good Land mark decision,I was abit surprised to see my case as refereed to on page 32,white v. farrier,,,,Good luck Michelle Hosilek,Let me know how it all turns out fore you !!!
Damn straight. The only other state that this unbelievable waste of the taxpayer's money could come from besides MA is CA.
If I were a Massachusetts resident/taxpayer, I'd be flippin' FURIOUS! What is wrong with this judge? Is he empathetic to something he wants himself?
I don't know about that Don, have you seen some of the stuff New York spends their taxpayers money on?
I live in NY Red and no, I don't see it at all...
Where are all the great things we were promised when the state started requiring ATV registrations, raising taxes on tobacco and all the other taxes they keep piling on?
I'd at least like to be able to see something they've done with it all, no matter how stupid it is...
I'm a Mass-afornia resident, origin of the libtard moon bat!!! This is so wrong on so many levels! We have a governor who is itching to open the prison doors for murderers and rapist. Every other speaker of the house ends up in jail, a senatorial candidate who thinks she's an Indian, home to the dysfunctional Kennedy clan, casinos on the way and THE RED SOX SUCK! Wait, why do I live here?! I must be crazy also!
Excuse me, but I live in California, and even OUR judges aren't THAT crazy!!!
@Didi,
The unfortunate part is, this was a federal judge, you might be in luck anyways.
Didi lives in a state (cali) that had a judge award $1,000,000 to a home invasion suspect because the victim allowed the roof tiles to fall into disrepair and the dude fell straight through to the floor and broke his neck. He was awarded for loss of income and for pain and suffering. The homeowner was elderly and living on social security. This happened over 30 years ago and people reading it in the paper laughed and then cried - depending on where their empathy was at the moment.
Living in Texas, if someone fell through my roof while trying to rob me, I would have shot him. No question about that. I guarantee that fool would be dead before the police were called. I feel sorry for the citizens in states that are not allowed a gun to protect themselves. I carry a gun most of the time due to things like the coke dealers that live across and up the street from me. I have called the police about them, but things have stayed the same so far. I just hope they are doing something undercover gathering evidence for now.
Anyway, take care and have a great day!
it's the politically correct thing to do he/she/it deserves it and we are damn well gonna pay for it and like it.and if anyone feels the need to send a carton of camels to his prison with a vague note to take care of this disgrace feel free. adds a new meaning to coffin nail doesn't it.
The judge in this case was appointed by a republican.
Stop and think about it, does it matter if the judge was appointed by a Republican or Democrat? The decision this judge made, is in my opinion, moronic. This convicted murderer will receive gender re-assignment surgery on the taxpayer's dime. Bull-crap! What a screwed up society we live in.
No, Saron, it doesn't matter who appointed the judge; he's an idiot either way.
The fact that Reagan appointed this particular moron became a point of discussion after numerous right wingers wrote about this "liberal judge" and his "liberal agenda".
Some of those posters were even more specific, vomiting out a post about how Obamacare was to blame for this situation.
Doesn't matter if the judge was appointed by D. or R.
Whatever this judge may have had going ONCE UPON A TIME, isn't happening now. Get Wolf out of office!
"Numb3r" Obamacare?? Are you serious?? This is nothing more than Right Wing Attorneys using taxpayer money to get their client what he/she wants. I think this is a total disgrace and shows just how far off base our judicial/penal system has gotten.
If anything it's BUSH'S fault!!! Dumb3r......
XX.
Max, if this sounds like a right wing policy to you, you must be dumber than dirt.
Just a dumb as trying to tie it to Obamcare..... Stupid is as Stupid does.
Retired40,
Check earlier posts. If you have the judge's information, you can check what his affiliation is.
It may not be right wing "policy", but the decision came from a right wing judge appointed to the bench by a right wing president; Reagan in 1985.
Perhaps you and that dirt can play checkers together.
Maxx500
Actually, that procedure will be covered under Obamacare. And I do not call people names in my comments.
I still do not want my tax dollars paying for it. Even though some insurance companies do cover that type of surgery. IBM and Dell along with many other insurance companies are covering that procedure now.
As far as I understand, gender reassignment surgery is not covered by most, if not all, health insurance plans; thus, anyone who wants it has to pony up their own funds for it. The prison should allow him to get it if he can pay for it on his own.
Very few people are able to pay for it on their own and I sincerely doubt that this man, had he been living outside the prison walls, would have the income necessary to pay for it.
This is a serious travesty and I pray that this ruling gets overturned. It is not so cruel and unusual for MAN who will always biologically and genetically be a MAN to stay what he will always be, a MAN. Surgery will not change anything but his appearance. The taxpayers should not have to foot this bill.
Cosmetic surgery of any type is not insured, except for those that were in accidents or was born with a disfigurement. Most people who have this type of surgery has to pay an eye tooth for. This is why many actors and actresses have this surgery, but it enhances their ability to get work in their chosen field. They can afford this, where 92% population can't.
So the Tax payers get to foot the bill for this degenerant's "ELECTIVE" surgery? Maybe it is the Judge in this case that needs to be locked up!!
USA,
Waste, Fraud and Abuse...as a federal employee, I am subject to UCMJ (jail time), if it is determined that I was responsible for using taxpayer funds in a frivilous way.
I agree-if a procedure is considered elective and not covered for those out of prison, it shouldn't be for those in prison. Likewise, if something is covered by all/most insurances for the non-incarcerated, then it should be preformed for inmates (since we have laws about the humane treatment of prisoners-to deny basic healthcare could be considered inhumane depending on what the procedure is).
If he has the money for the procedure (which is how it would be for anyone else), then by all means allow him to have the surgery.
This is almost as stupid as giving a liver transplant to someone on death row! They won't allow that, but they'll allow this? Amazing!
Federal judges can be impeached. Don't ignore the fact that this judge just created case law that ANY prisoner can attempt to follow.
contact your congressman and demand impeachment over this crazy act which has just gone TOO far.
Because our leaders never suffer from their grossest mismanagement, they never stop their pet causes. They will only stop when the taxpayers demand enough of this insanity of this kind of foolishness.
At the federal level, Article Two of the United States Constitution (Section 4) states that "The President, Vice President, and all other civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors." The House of Representatives has the sole power of impeaching, while the United States Senate has the sole power to try all impeachments. The removal of impeached officials is automatic upon conviction in the Senate.
This is another case of judges being out of control pushing their own social agenda. This is a travesty, and it is impossible to conceive of how this surgery can be considered a right! The judge needs to be removed from office ASAP.
This judge is obviously not fully mentally competent and we should all stop beating up on the unfortunate among us..............why is such a person allowed to remain in a compensated position that they are unqualified to fill in a competent manner?
BS!!! I would be pissed if I lived there too. They're wasting other people's hard earned money on giving a sex change to someone who murdered their wife and is set to die in prison? Who makes the f'ing decisions around there? And everyone looked around and shook their heads in agreement?? That even though there are people starving and homeless everywhere in our country, we should definately pay for a murderer on death row to get a sex change. They should be ashamed of themselves. Let him cut his own manhood off if he wants to, it'll save the state money either way live or dead. The decision makers on that one should offer to pay for it out of their personal salaries then. He suicidal and homicidal, yup that definately seems worthy of a gift of plastic surgery. SMH, WTF!
Unbelievable!!
I suppose afterwards he will then want to be transferred to a women's prison also
Well, since technically after the surgery "She" will be female, then by law she would HAVE to be changed to a female prison since she would legally no longer be a male.
He's gonna make one ulgy woman!
So that's what are tax money goes too? Might as well give he/she a 50in. flat screen and a king bed for the cell.
WTF?!!!! This is so ridiculous
Just a hint - Dept of Corrections - APPEAL!!!!!! This is an absolutely outrageous ruling - trying to force the state to use taxpayer money to pay for a sex change operation. I am a Democrat of fairly liberal stripe - no way would I accept this ruling. I don't believe that a convicted murderer should be entitled to (1) hormone therapy on the taxpayer's dime; (2) legal representation on the taxpayer's dime for THIS; (3) using extremely needed and expensive court time for THIS; or (4) let ALONE this travesty. This is a very big example of allowing something to go WAY over the top. It should never have even gotten this far.
I've got a great idea on how to solve this problem. Fix him up with Sandra Fluke and Obamacare will supply the condoms and everyone will be happy!
How can that judge be alive? It isn't even smart enough to breath!
Do these excuses for people (judges) make a hobby out of screwing taxpayers?
Who are you to talk about being smart enough for anything? You can't even spell the word "breathe" correctly--and I'll wager you have spell check!
If the Massachusetts DOC chooses not to appeal this decision the citizens should demand the Governor remove,recall or just fire whoever made that decision.It is time that ordinary people use common sense in utilizing the revenues and resources of the state.There are children who are homeless and hungry who would be better served by this appropriation of funds.There is no way in God's green earth that this is a fundamental civil right of anyone.It is just the nonsensical opinion of a judge whose elevator is stuck on the ground floor.
They set a precedent with this POS then God only knows what kind of bull@!$%# hundreds of thousands of prisoners will start demanding and suing for!!!! PUT A STOP TO IT NOW!!!!!!
Just an additional note, this is a free procedure in Canada ..
Number- I would be perfectly fine with having universal health care here, and having this procedure covered. I'm not fine with having a criminal get this procedure for free when the people that work and pay taxes to support his murdering ass may not be able to afford going to the doctor when they're ill.
Isnt that great? That must be what government is for. Collect those taxes from us so that you can give a murderer a sex change operation.....I didnt read that in the constitution. Does it now state that all inmates(or just murderers?) have the constitutional right to have the tax paying public pay for their sex change?? This country is getting more and more screwed up....Get it in before the election, you wouldnt want to lose all those benefits....Is this what the administration had as a reason to go after Sheriff Arpaio, that he wouldnt approve this stuff??? How did this person win those benefits??? I suggest that it just be chopped off with a big cleaver...and tell him/her that it is done.....
He committed murder as a man and he can serve his prison sentence as a man. This is another example of the left-wing nuts who think we need to provide criminals with a/c, cable tv, weight room, three square meals a day, etc.
If you commit a crime, you SUFFER the consequences. I'm more than willing to provide education and teach marketable skills to a criminal who truly wants to be a productive member of society. But this BS of providing gender reassignment surgery to a MURDERER has NOTHING to do with treating a criminal in civilized manner.
This decision was handed down by a judge appointed by a republican.. And while i agree that prison shouldn't be a nice place, there is a reason they give them certain privileges... Helps keep the beasts docile..Now of course i will hear about "beasts" and how it's not PC...oh well..
Ummmm...I am an evangelical "left-wing nut", and I sure don't agree with the judge's decision! And I also don't care what political persuasion he is!
I believe Ms Kosilek should be given the same considerations as any other prisoner; but nothing more.
FUBAR!!!
You're being generous and kind again!!!
This is so far beyond FUBAR and SNAFU there ARE no acronyms applicable!!!
Basic medical care should be supplied to inmates. That includes care needed to keep them reasonably healthy. Extraordinary care, care that would improve life but is not required for physical health, and elective care should not be covered.
Want to be a woman, pay for it yourself. Need a transplant, go to the very bottom of the list. Mandatory DNR. Surgery to reduce pain without altering longevity- forget about it.
In addition, we should only be locking up people who are dangerous or real scumbags. Like murderers and bankers. At least that is my opinion.
Someone should give that A$$HOLE JUDGE a sex change operation while he is awake!!
Well how about a lobotomy??? That might be an improvement in this judges case?????
skrewdworld
It occurs to me that this judge has already suffered a lobotomy!
Naw, probably just a brain fart or maybe he's just anal retentive!
Maybe he has been someones B^(%H for so long he wants to make it official
This is a bullsh!t decision from a bullsh!t judge. This person is being punished, or supposed to be. The judge should be barred for life.
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Healthcare for all.
Besides, he's tired of taking it in the arzz.
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Do yu really think that will change if he becomes a woman??? I think Bubba would object!!!!!
Even Bubba would not want to look at that face ... LMAO
Next, the state will have to buy her a wife.
What a freak and disgusting misuse of taxpayer dollars. Convicted murderer should have been executed years ago, so its already cost us millions. Wants a sex change; how about a rusty Swiss Army knife.
Well, I'm ready to pass on over. I've now heard it all.
@ brewzky23. naw dude, a dull hatchet. You're right. I can't wrap my mind around this. 1 out of 6 kids in the US will go to bed hungry tonight but this convicted killer gets free, elective surgery on the tax payers dime. I'm sure the good folks in MA have better things to spend their tax dollars on. Unphuckinbelievable.
How is it he/she has been able to get harmone pills to start with? I think the judge must be on some kinda pills too.
I'll jump on ABoxOfRocks bandwagon. 1.6 million kids are uninsured in Texas alone. Atta' boy Rick...
And then we see something like this.
Oddly, we keep this guy like a caged animal 23 by 7 in an environment you couldn't keep a dog in. But so help us God, he's going to get a $100k worth of surgery to correct his gender.
Remember, when the roller coster that is America gets to the top of the hill, everybody put your hands up in the air when we roll down the other side...
I'll cut his balls off for free. the judge should just go fu*ck himself though.