Conspiracy?

So, you want the taxpayers instead of the for-profit corporations to pay for the damages?

Why the lawsuit now after all this time???

Ophotfoot - are you kidding??? Where is this horrible hatred coming from???

And you sound like you've been sniffing too much glue. What in the world are you talking about???

What facts??? Where are your links???

Your post is nothing but a horrible derail to showcase your hatred. Please consider what you're saying.

None of your posts have anything to do with the story.

Forget the "consider". Just please get help. Soon.

Your reality is only real to you. I'm truly sorry for you, Ophotfoot and I mean that. Good night.

Agreed - if the airlines were negligent, so was the government as the government...

Just another Bull@!$%# lawsuit.....

Wouldn't the TSA be at fault for letting them board the plane? Why SUE the airlines? The Government knew they were up to something but when and where was the question at the time. You can't blame it on any one single person or firm except Muslimism.

I guess when you're that greedy, you'll throw anybody under the bus in hopes you'll receive a little here and there. Who knows......

Your wrong, if anything both are to blame but over the last years the airlines have made billions by charging for every little thing! so if they have to pay back ok. I stopped air travel and now take buses and trains and have seen parts of this country up close rather than at 30K feet.

It's about the settlement the Plantiff's attorney's stand to gain. WTCP was made whole by the insurance companies. The judge should look to see if this reallly belongs in court and who should be paying legal fees. This has nothing to do with losses when "in fact" the WTCP was made whole after the loss.

its about time yeeeesh

cc pretty sad trying to blame the government

the airlines had plenty of warning with irans idiocies to know what the airline were about to step into. iran was first to teach all the other idiots that these airlines had no security. and seems to me the airlines didnt even care "if they cared that would have been cash out of their pockets. so im sure they were waiting for the gov to pay out the cash for protection.

but greed won again and the airlines refused to put security on all planes

to me that makes the greedy airlines responcible

and if you want to add the government you can say its the gov fault because the government didnt make it mandatory to have security

but the blame is souly in the airlines hands

The GWB administration,should be on trail along with the Airlines.The administration was incompetent at least ,if not complicit in these attacks.For all the GWB apologist read the 9/11 commission report{August 6th daily brief}GWB is either a boob,that ignored this ,or he is a boob with no soul..............

Creek Dog - no, the TSA would not be responsible... They did not exist. Prior to Sept 11, 2001, the airlines were responsible for security. (At large airports with centralized security the airlines would fund the security and have the airport authority hire the providers, but the liability was still on the airlines.)

The TSA does enough bad and stupid things, let's not blame them for something that is not their fault.

Creek Dog said:

Wouldn't the TSA be at fault for letting them board the plane?

TSA wasn't created until after 9-11. At the time 9-11 occurred, airlines were responsible for their own security.

Why SUE the airlines?

1) at the time airlines were supposed to provide their own security. 2) Airline policy was that the cockpit doors were supposed to be shut and locked. On this particular day, they were not, which was how the hijackers gained access to the cockpit. 3) there was an initiative some years before it happened to reinforce the cockpit doors so they couldn't be forced- the airlined refused to ienact it due to 'increased cost'.

The Government knew they were up to something but when and where was the question at the time.

There had been rumors in the intelligence community that something big was going to happen but no one knew exactly where or how or when. We had gotten complacent and secure in the knowledge that we were invulnerable and invincible and we paid the price for it.

You can't blame it on any one single person or firm except Muslimism.

Religion is words and a set of precepts, usually written in a book. By itself it has no more power to do harm than a phone book would. The problem begins when an individual reads what is in that book, takes out only what they want to believe, then acts on it. I'm sure that if I picked up a phone book after scouring the pages I could probably put together the words to Hitler's Mein Kampf. That doesn't mean that that is what is in the phone book is the same as what I got out of it.

We have had Muslims in our country for all 200+ years of our history, and when the attack finally came, it came from without, not within. We have Muslims serving in our Armed Forces who have served honorabley and well and who have voluntarily gone over to the Middle East to help hunt out the ones who attacked our unarmed civilians and children. To blame them also for the actions of the hijackers during 9-11 is painting them all with the same brush and dishonoring their sacrifice.

It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in!

That being said, no, I don't think they should be sued, not this long after the fact. Let it go, people, this goes way beyong dollars and sense. The entire country lost that day, something very precious and irreplaceable; our sense of security, our belief that we were invulnerable, the lives of everyone, civilian and rescuer alike, who died that day. It's also fractured our nation, leading some to enact laws to protect our security while at the same time making others feel like those same laws have taken away their freedoms. We've all lost; let's pick up the pieces, remeber what we lost, honor their sacrifices, and move on.

Bottom line here is if someone steals my car and hits your car, I am responsible,
correct? Ok weather or not the government failed to distribute the intelligence
and act upon it when they received it is not the responsibility of the world
trade center, they just want their car fixed.

Now if you want to get into the whole conspiracy
thing and run down the whole thing with our government, than I am sure the
Airlines will be more than happy to take your donations to investigate the
matter, I will tell you this… We need to get the Feds out of our Airports and
off our planes and let private company’s do the jobs in private Airline
industry, why should I be taxed to protect a Multi-Billion dollar private
industry? With all the Vets that are out of work the Airlines could put armed guards
on every flight and it would still be 98% cheaper! If you say that private
security isn’t as reliable as the Feds, I give you The Casino industry!

God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers. But after the
situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the
American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought
about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the
events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon,
helped by the U.S. 6th Fleet...

As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the
unjust the same way [and] to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of
what we are tasting and stop killing our children and women.

That's Osama bin Laden explaining why 9/11 happened. I guess Americans were surprised because they didn't realize we were at war with the Muslims, but the Muslims decided to let us know that we were. What were they supposed to do, wait for the media to inform us? There shouldn't be any more confusion. If you're wondering why the Muslims couldn't just sit back and not be terrorists, he explains it this way:

Security is an important foundation of human life, and free people do not
squander their security, contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. Let him
tell us why we did not attack Sweden, for example... When you squander our security, we squander yours.

This is where Osama bin Laden lets us know that he is an anti-Semite and wants us to stop funding Israel's wars against the Muslims. Of course, we Americans can't do that because we are not anti-Semites at all. We are anti-Muslim, and have been since the beginning - 1948. But we probably should stop acting like we don't realize we are at war.

the gov.t deregulated the airlines in the usa. the govt. commission on nat'l. security recommended better doors on aircraft that were bomb abd bulletproof as a priority. deregulation led to a failed policy. pres g bush threw the millions dollar report into the round file. airlines ignored the better doors to protect the pilots and by proxy the welfare of the passengers with profits over safety. had those doors been on aircraft on 9/11 hijackers would not have been successful. after 9/11 the govt. gave airlines 17 M to retrofit aircraft with better doors to protect pilots and passengers. bottom line: no one really cares about anyone untill there is a victim. then we point uneducated fingers in all directions trying to look educated and indignant. americans really should go to other countries and fly foreign carriers to see the difference between our services, equipment and policies compared to the rest of the world. if you have done this you know i am telling it straight. our aircraft are falling apart. the airlines run equipment, services, personnell and passengers to the brink of failure. foreign carriers do a better job. they pay more for fuel and services and yet they do a better job but they are having difficulty competing with us carriers because we don't care about anything but money over safety. insurance will cover losses of neglect as long as the neglect is within the law. us carriers compete like crazy for business abroad but if you fly a competitor there is a difference. flights arrive and depart on time. services are better and the decore and seating is better. deregulation allows airlines to do things like charge for bags. other countries determine baggage policies not airlines. go to brazil with 2 70 pound bags at no charge and tell me how much you like less government here in the usa.

they had insurance against "terrorist" attacks.they faught the insurance company,stating each tower attack was a seperate terrorist attack.they won that arguement and got double the payout for the attacks.now they want to sue the airlines.f-you! sue the faa and norad too.money grubbing f..kers.

Well said, Dame808 (#1.21). With a Congress, or at least half of it, clamoring for smaller government and wanting government out of "peoples' " (corporations' ) businesses, why are the taxpayers supporting the airline industry? Shouldn't the airlines be paying for their own internal security? Shouldn't the airline industry be self-supporting as half of the Congress tries to force onto other businesses and agencies? You know, like, what Congress has done to the U. S. Postal Service.

The American airline industry had opportunities for decades to prevent take-over of cockpits by following examples established by Israeli airlines through reinforced cockpit doors and other safe-guards. But they poo-pooed it off because these minor preventions would cost a few extra dollars. IMO, the American airline industry was complicit in the loss of lives and materials on 9/11 and the weak, spineless FAA needs a major overhaul or termination.

Bottom line, the airlines industry owes the American taxpayers every penny spent on TSA and all other associated costs.

BTW, I am not now nor have I ever been employed with the USPS nor do I have any family members or friends associated with that fine service. It just happened to be the example that popped into my head and it's one of the better examples of how deranged Congress is.

The airlines should counter sue the Federal Government for allowing these people into our country. Forcing the airlines to check photo ID's, which is inherently racist btw, should be punishment enough!

A U.S. judge ruled that AMR Corp's American Airlines and United Continental Holdings Inc must face trial over claims relating to the September 11 attacks that destroyed the landmark towers of the World Trade Center in New York almost 11 years ago, court documents showed.

Oh yeah, some people died, too...

first; the taxpayers picked up all the payments for the loss of life(if you did not claim any insurance you had, life, accident ,workers comp etc., the Government paid out the death and injury benefits).

the lawsuit is about negligence of the airline security, allowing passengers to board carrying large box cutters, which they slit the throats of the pilots and took over the planes.

question; should the airlines be liable for allowing passengers to board with these knives ?

At the time, security check points were contracted out to private security companies and the FAA regulated and tested them. The weapons used to attack the flight crews were within the requirements for knives in carryon baggage. There was no negligence by the either the airline or the security company - it was an attack by terrorists, an act of war. They were lucky to get an insurance settlement.

On 9/11, the airlines sub-contracted security out to private firms. The airlines paid for security on the cheap (I know because I worked for the largest security firm in the industry). As a result, the security firms hired on the cheap, at about $7 - $8 per hour for screeners. The screeners they hired were worth what they paid, often times, immigrants, a few with questionable backgrounds and no experience. That was the state of affairs on 9/11. In their defense, security was not a top issue at the airports nor at the regulatory level (the government).

I don't make a judgement about whether or not the airlines, or anyone else, are liable for damages. I'll leave that up to the judges and lawyers. However, the idea of bring back privatization of airport security, as the Republicans now want to do now, is ludicrous. We had a reason for turning over airport security to the government. It isn't perfect, but it's far better than the system we had in place on 9/11. Just look to European countries (and Israel) for examples of how security should be run at airports and you'll see why the government should do the job of securing airports.

How quickly we forget the past and try to do things on the cheap.

BTW, whoever pays for security (the airlines or the government) it will be passed on to the public.

Can we hold a trial for Bush's cabinet as accomplices?!

Airlines had been encouraged to reinforce and secure their cockpit doors for two decades prior to 9/11 because of all of the previous hijacking in the 70's and 80's. The airlines didn't want to cough up the $20k per plane to do this. Their thought was that it would be less costly to deal with isolated hijacking fallout than to retrofit their entire fleet. The airlines were negligent.

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Our Government covered up intel information, and knew there were people learning to fly and not land airliners...this is disgrace to all of us. There is all kinds of hidden evidence that this was going to happen... now we sue the jet airlines for the cover-up....Only in america

I hope the airlines can find truth and the real guilty parties are revealed... how about suing the country where these terrorist originated and the governments that allowed it to happen...

I am sure the airlines have some responsibilty for there lack of security; however the world was different at that time...

This is for ophotfoot that must not be a veteran but is a dumb ass.

We have thousands of veterans that are stilling waiting on the VA to decide their disability that was incurred while on active duty. It is not the Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindu's that are causing the problem in any country. It is typical government employee incompetence, yes the VA has some good people that are vets that work for them but the rest are the stereotypical of government incompetence. The collect very good paychecks and benefits while sitting down and making decisions with their head up their ass. The rest of the time they sit there and work with their thumb up their ass. I've seen this too many times in my dealings with the VA for the past 25 years.

ophotfoot: forgive me brother! Until recently, I would have called you a bigot for your views. Now I realize, you are 100% right! I used to be a christian, and I would give to the poor and try to love my fellow man, even my enemies. Then I converted to judaism. Since then, I can think of nothing but money! I disgust myself, but can't seem to stop the feelings of greed. When I think of money, I salivate. I no longer help the poor. Last week, I extracted my wife's fillings while she slept, just to sell the gold for scrap. Woe is me, if only I had not become a greedy jew! Do you think if I am baptized, it will reverse this curse?

Stoopids what does that have to do with this issue/topic?

Back to Topic at hand---this suit is beyond stupid and the only ones who will benefit are the lawyers back pockets! What a waste of money and 11 years later????? It was not the Airlines fault and to hold them at fault is horribly worng while at the same time brining up pains and losses that some have to heal from and go on!

Such is an unnecessary suit and one of arrogance nothing more!

• stooopids,

Holy @!$%#balls do you have issues man. Either that or you're pushing something in that a-holes face. Whew!

Another act of terrorism, perpetrated by the most evil of all terrorists, Lawyers! Can we declare war on the American Bar Association?

TO: David K. Sumrell who wrote:

"... how about suing the country where these terrorist originated and the governments that allowed it to happen..."

Well, that would be Saudi Arabia. Can't do that, they're lifelong "FOB" (friends of Bush).

What a great CONCISE Ruling by the Judge!

Amanda-2017567

Let it go, people, this goes way beyong dollars and sense. The entire country lost that day, something very precious and irreplaceable; our sense of security, our belief that we were invulnerable, the lives of everyone, civilian and rescuer alike, who died that day. It's also fractured our nation, leading some to enact laws to protect our security while at the same time making others feel like those same laws have taken away their freedoms. We've all lost; let's pick up the pieces, remeber what we lost, honor their sacrifices, and move on.

#1.20 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 6:25 AM CDT

Very well said, We as a nation need to cautiously move on but not live in fear!

Wow, GW Bush is the root of all evil...... at least that's what some posters on here believe. Maybe you should take a step back and look at the president who was so busy getting his cigar smoked by an intern that his administration did nothing to stop Bin Laden even though they knew about him. I would love to see one of you losers in Bush's postion and do better. You probably couldn't because you first need to have at least some assemblance of intelligence to do the job. Oh, maybe I should check that. Obama is in office with probably the worst presidency in history and won't even own up to statements he previously made to hold him accountable. At any rate, this law suit is plain bull and should not even be allowed in court. Hindsight is ALWAYS 20-20. If we had a magic crystal ball to see the furture and did nothing to act, then I would say negligence. However, if the airlines were not alerted to a possible terrorist plot, how could they know what and who to look for? I think the greedy bastards of the world should shut up an be satisfied that the insurance paid them. If they didn't carry enough to make them whole, oh well, not my fault!

American Girl, like my mom used to say........... "somethang stinks"

and You are correct about country...

Amanda 2017567 said;

Blah, blah blah blah...

Then said; Blah blah blah and blah blah blah.

Then went on to say; Blah blah blah and then some.

Opinionated?! Heh heh... Just a little teeny tiny bit. ;-)

Illegals from Mexico could not have entered the United States without the government of Mexico's failure to patrol it's side of the US-Mexico border. That is willfull negligence.

That will be 13 MILLION, TRILLION US dollars please!

Cool, lets have the Airlines pay the 2.03 billion, have them (WTCP) pay back the 4.89 billion to insurance and return the billions that have been ripped off in the name of tolls to cover costs. While we are sueing people how bout sueing the people that taught them to fly, the stateside colleges for teaching them english, the immigration department for not keeping them out of the country, the police - FBI-CIA and all other forms of intelligence gatherers for not knowing precisely who and when. Thier parents for having bore them in the first place after all who's more negligent then the ones that raised them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dI0AnvpzP4

Watch the 6 part series and THEN say who should be sued!

:)

FREE BRADLEY MANNING!

TSA wasn't founded until 11/19/01.

Duh! Where does FAA money come from????

argumentativebutfair

How about we charge the government, particularly the FAA and the TSA

Corporations are people. This is why.

@Denver Oh yeah I forgot.

This is why LAWYERS are pond scum. Leave it to these blood suckers to find a way to get a fee from a client that has already gotten the insurance money. I feel the same way about the victims suing, they shouldn't get a damn thing, this was a once in lifetime situation. The only claims should be from the police and fireman who lost their lives or their health trying to save others. And stop voting for lawyers in politics, look where that has got us.

I'm sure a lot of you are old enough to remember all the planes hijacked to Cuba back in the '60's? If the TSA wasn't formed until after 9/11, then who was it that made passengers go through the metal detectors back then? And why did that stop? Someone really dropped the ball. Someone really let their guard down.

From what I remember, the hijackers boarded the aircraft with only box cutters, which were legal to have at the time. I'm not even sure any of the them had entered the US illegally. On what grounds could the airlines have stopped them?

I'd feel better about Justice being blind if the guide dogs weren't all lawyers.

@AG99 They were not negligent in allowing them on board. Because the cockpit doors were not reinforced and secured, they were negligent in allowing them to gain access to the cockpits to carry out their attack.

Yuma DAN - those were rent-a-cops paid for by the airlines who prior to 9/11 were responsible for airline security. That's who - and many of them ended up working for -- drum roll please -- TSA.

AG99 all of them entered the country legally - I do think some were over their Visa's.

RonB - the FAA had published rules requiring reinforced doors but the airlines fought this -- it added costs.

The real issue here is that in the 80's his holiness Ronald Regan that paragon of Republicaninsm deregualted lots of industries in this country and the Airlines were one of those industries. Look where it got us.

INS did not not do the job they were required to perform when an alien that comes here for either work or school and skips out. All of the hijackers were running around in public prior to 9/11. Had INS done the job they were required to perform 9/11 would not have happened.

TO: Rick-854092 who wrote:

"TSA wasn't founded until 11/19/01."

Not really.

Bush changed the name from "NTSB" (National Transportation Safety Board) to "TSA" (Transportation Safety Administration).

Not really.

Bush changed the name from "NTSB" (National Transportation Safety Board) to "TSA" (Transportation Safety Administration).

Perhaps you should do some personal research before you make a claim. NTSB is responsible for investigating civil transportation accidents and incidents. The NTSB still functions today as the "NTSB." It never was in charge of security.

Hollykb

The real issue here is that in the 80's his holiness Ronald Regan that paragon of Republicaninsm deregualted lots of industries in this country and the Airlines were one of those industries. Look where it got us.

...don't forget the Amnesty he granted to millions of illegal immigrants - who most likely ended up working airport security on 9-11.

Now we have them in every city and town in the US (hell, try to find someone who even speaks English in Miami International Airport after the sun goes down)

Thank you, Dear Saint Ronnie...we appreciate all you did for us

Except in Madrid 3/11

In Spain the government tried to lie about 3/11 and when the people got wise they tossed out the administration and brought their troops home from Iraq. In the US Bush got reelected and we stayed in Afghanistan and Iraq and (with the next imperialist - Obama) bombed Pakistan, Yemen, Libya...and are itching (yes we are) to attack more countries.

Hey.. J.P. I can't agree with you more.. The American people has got to find a way to put an end to this idea that going to war is gonna make everything right, in the world.. Of course, that's just my way of thinking.. AND.. somehow, the American people has to find a way to hold the American Government and Industry and Lobbyests responsible for the demise of the World Trade Centers.. The cost of those buildings should not be the responsibllity of the American Taxpayers.. It don't matter what people think brought that buildings down.. However, I don't think two planes brought them down.. Those buildings were condemed because of asbestos used in the buildings.. They had to be brought down.. Controlled demolition was the cheapest and fastest way of bringing them down.. Including the loss of lives.. sigh.. Shame on Washington.. Somebody, check my grammer and spelling..

This is for J.P and woxnerw. Did you know the the majority of Senators and Representatives violated the constitution when GW was in office. That violation was when they gave him free run on declaring war without senate or house approval as mandated by the US Constitution.

Any senator or representative that voted for this needs to be REMOVED from OFFICE for violating the constitution.

I was under the impression that it took an act of congress to take America into war.. AND.. The USA could never go into a state of war by declaring a pre-emptive strike.. Far be-it for me to make brash statements like that.. However, your Government is removing Civil Rights of you People and the Constitution on a daily basis.. A Little Here... AND... A Little There.. I feel so sorry for you people and the rest of the Free World for allowing these rights to be infringed upon.. God help us All....... sigh..... Mr. concerned veteran.... I feel so sorry for you and your Military.. I am supportive of you.. What I'm not supporitive of... Is your Government's decission to take your Country into War-After-War with NO Idea of what destruction you are causing to the World.. AND telling you people these acts are for countering Terrorist Activity.. What a shame for your Government to treat your young generation such awful lessons.. All this in the name of The Betterment-of-Mankind... Someone correct my Grammar and Spelling... Then tell me I'm wrong, with my ideas... I'm becomming a Concerned Human..... Tell me how you as voters are gonna change your Government's grip on you as American People.. ?? You people deserve better... Tell me.. I'm right.. sigh..

Concerned veteran-GWB did get approval from Senate and Congress; 77-23 & 296-133. However, Obama did not.

www.cnn.com

So, now we have the truth. It's all Orville and Wilburs fault!

I blame Boeing and Airbus - they should know their products could be used to kill people....

Oh please!!!!! Save me from the stupidity of the court system!

I don't know who's fault it is...if any-ones. I just think it is hilarious that, win or lose....lawyers for both sides will get rich. Sorry, I mean MORE RICH.

Who's fault is it? It's pretty simple; it's the terrorists who took over the planes. Any other conclusion is just someone looking for blood money, or trying to prop up their own agenda.

WTCP got their insurance money and chances are they will get nothing more. If they do, that's a shame.

Air crew was trained to comply with hijackers' demands back then, since nobody ever used planes as bombs. They always tried to land it somewhere. While the airlines had some responsibility, money was already claimed. Therefore this case should not be taken to court.

Exactly my thoughts. We all complain about the inconvenience of airport security now, but remember these standards did not exist prior to 9/11. How can airlines be held accountable for meeting the acceptable security standards of the time? Remember, back then most of us had never even imagined such a mindboggling thing happening in OUR America.

Why not sue the manufacturers or sellers of the truck & van that held the Oklahoma City bomb and the first WTC garage bomb? Should they have done background checks on the terrorists who purchased the vehicles? It would make just as much sense.

Prior to 9/11, I subscribed to Newsweek and US News & World Report, and Osama Bin Laden's terrorist agenda was written about frequently. But when 9/11 happened, I was the only one of my friends who had ever heard of him. How many of you had heard of him prior to the attacks??? If the airlines had searched passengers--including the terrorists--back then as they do now we would have raised Cain.

The US government admittedly knew all about Bin Ladan, and let him slip through the cracks.

The Somalies had Bin Laden in the late 90s, and offered him to us, but BILL CLINTON did not accept the offer, and he was freed.

Thank you. Who would have EVER thought someone could be as vile, so full of hate that they would have done this? Blame Muslims for not controlling their own people. THAT would be a better trial.

Prior to 9/11, the airlines had been resisting calls to install a $4 bolt lock on the inside of the pilots cabin door. Republicans were calling it a useless government intrusion on a free enterprise system. There was no TSA back then. The thought of using an airplane as an attack missile was unimaginable to the general public. No more government interference was the cry, let capitalism rule.

Had the $4 bolt lock been installed on the planes, the tragedy of 9/11 would never have happened.

Metalman-5390124 (#6.3)

Please cite your source(s).

our government also stated bp didnt need a safety cap for their wells.

Texas Grace said:

Blame Muslims for not controlling their own people. THAT would be a better trial.

Let's blame Christians for not 'controlling' Hitler. Blame Christians for not controlling Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph. Blame Christians for not controlling Joseph Kony.

(Oh, and before you start...we blame the Vatican NOT for the child molestation, but for helping to try and cover for the sins of their members. That's different, that's institutional responsibility, not personal responsibility.)

Stop blaming the religion and start holding people accountable for what they themselves do. It's what you do that matters, not whose name you do it in!

Actually, quite a few people thought using airplanes as weapons might happen; stuff from drills/simulations to actually stationing anti-air rockets in locations. There is plenty of info out there so I wont bother to waste time reiterating anymore of it here.
Please note that I am simply countering the statement about how no one could have thought it would happen. I am not expressing anything on whether anyone knew or did not know that it would.

Charles, my wife blames me for everything.

Its interesting you never heard Americans saying "terror tactics of Christians who were inspired by the imperatives of their prophet? Yes!" afther McVeigh bombed the fed building. lol got to love these opportunistic two-faced Americans on both sides of the isle. I doubt a real Muslim would be a terrorist the same as I know a real Christian would not. Real Christians have been on the near-extinction list for years now.

Its interesting you never heard Americans saying "terror tactics of Christians who were inspired by the imperatives of their prophet? Yes!" afther McVeigh bombed the fed building. lol got to love these opportunistic two-faced Americans on both sides of the isle.

One problem with that, Timothy McVeigh was a athiest, so how can you use him as a example for Christian terror tactics?

Ophotfoot

You cannot blame the words of Jesus for inspiring acts of terror. Some Christiand rely on such lowlife tactics, but the inspiration does not come frome the imperatives of Jesus as the source. You cannot find in the new testament Jesus saying "Kill the unbelievers, let them find harshness in you". You cannot find Jesus ordering an army to attack, kill, plunder, or terrorize unbelievers. In the Koran and Hadith it is rife.

Perhaps the terror acts committed by radical Christians have the same result, but the inspiration clearly does not source from the scriptures of Jesus, whersas in Islam they clearly do. One only needs to read to find the evidence of my assertion.

As a result, a true Christian does not kill or plunder his unbelieving neighbor, but a literal believing Muslim does with zeal.

Not all religions are the same. Address each one by it's written docrtine and directives.

Because he don't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Anti Christians just like to babble.

Charles the Hammerhead said;

You cannot find in the new testament Jesus saying "Kill the unbelievers, let them find harshness in you". You cannot find Jesus ordering an army to attack, kill, plunder, or terrorize unbelievers.

Not in the New Testament but the Old Testament is full of it. "Suffer ye not a witch to live", remember that? Us witches do.

As a result, a true Christian does not kill or plunder his unbelieving neighbor,

Heh. Remember a little incident called the 'Inquisition'? and the 'Salem witch trials'? Us witches certainly do. I have Christians shoving pamphlets at me on the bus all the time and when they see the pentagram hanging next to my dog tags they tell me I'm going to hell--sometimes very loudly.

but a literal believing Muslim does with zeal.

A fanatic who has been brainwashed does. The average American Muslim does not. I have Muslim friends, here's what they think:

"... To each among you, We (God) prescribed a religion (law) and a clear way. If God had willed, He would have made you all in one nation and one religion), but that He (God) left you in different religions to compete in good deeds and society benefits. The return of all of you is to God; then He (God) will inform you about that in which you differ"(Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 48)

" ... Repel evil (God commands his believers to be patient at the time of anger, and to excuse those who treat them badly) then verily he, between whom and you there was enmity, will become as though he was a close friend". (Quran, chapter 41, verse 34)

In much the same way as some Christians (like the Westboro Baptist folks, or Joseph Kony down in Africa, or Hitler did in Germany) pick what they want to hear out of the Bible and use that to further their own agenda, radical Islam does too.

Everyone does.

My religion is the same way. Since practitioners of my religion have been around longer than any of the rest of you--and almost all (from the polytheistic Greco-Romans up to Jews, Christians, Muslims) of you have tried to eradicate worshippers of the Goddess for all of human history (worship of the Great Mother was prevalent when we as a species were painting animals on cave walls) none of our original texts survive today. Just a handful of precepts that each practitioner has to try and fit into our personal worldview.

It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.

I know I've posted this many many times on Newsvine. It's one of the guiding precepts of my belief system. we as a species have intelligence, sentience and free will; but along with those comes personal responsibility. Hold the person responsible for their own actions instead of blaming those actions on everything from a book to the government!

Agreed. I would think there would be a statue of limitations on this as well. 11 years is a very long time ago! Ridiculous suit!

TO: HumanBean-1293458 who wrote:

"This was an unforeseeable act of violence..."

Hm, like we don't have any intelligence agenies?

Maybe if we had a president who read his presidential daily briefing reports and took them seriously, just maybe we could have tried something to head off any risk attack or at least blunt any attempt.

And then you have to ask yourself, who profitted the most as a result of this outrageous ineptitude?

Hm?

I think yes, I know of one company that merged with another company because of debts caused from lawsuits that would bankrupted them out of business. The buying company wanted the selling company for what is was and figured that paying the debt was cheaper that starting their own line that direction. they than implemented their own rules and got the bought company under controll. although being airlines it may be different.

Keoni. You can't blame this ruling on "another left-wing, liberal judge". After all, the useless old carcasses we call the Supreme Court is full of conservative judges making just as many damaging, ignorant rulings. In fact, GOD help us all if Romney makes it into office. The Supreme Court will be loaded so far to the right, it will cease to have any relevance and most of us will simply pay them no mind.

TO: keoni48 who wrote:

"Another left-wing, liberal judge making a ruling that has no basis in reality. AMR/American Airlines is already in bankruptcy..."

But you can't figure out WHY they filed bankruptcy, right?

Obama/Biden 2012

FYI- the average payout per life lost on 9/11 was 1.8 million. Ask yourself - is any member of your family worth a mere 1.8 million? Would you sacrifice their lives for 1.8 million? Didn't think so.

Duh, and your car wouldn't have got broad sided if you didn't have to drive thru that intersection.

lol priceless Jonathan Reid-1158169 !!!! Love it!

Reminds me of the guy who said "NO, I didn't hit him....his face jumped out in front of my flying fist...three times in a row." lol

Most of them were from Saudi Arabia a supposed friendly country. It would be hard to justify allowing no citizens of a country we call a friend even when they're not entry if they weren't known terrorists. The CIA knew some of the people had met with known terrorist groups in the Philippines but failed to pass that on. That's why the Department of Homeland Security was formed, to force agencies to share information.

This coming from some one who was wearing triangle pants at the time of the event.

oooo good one 6cats with thinking like the judge is doing we should start suing the license buro for drunk driving victims.although we should sue our gov for meny sensless losses due to cancers that can be stoped that they dont allow

BILL CLINTON was the president when Somalia offered Bin Laden to us.............Bill DECLINED.

Somalia didn't offer us Crap go back to your bong and suck some more.

Don't know your History there 6dogs...eh

BILL CLINTON was the president when Somalia offered Bin Laden to us.............Bill DECLINED.

And what could Clinton have tried him for? There was no case!! Quit blaming and use facts!

He would have been charged as an accomplice to the FIRST World Trade Center Attack that failed, you idiot.

6dogs shut up and go back to sucking down ur beer the more u drink the faster u kill ur liver make us all happey and drink away with obama the cop and his beligerent freind

Well, they did build the towering tall building that could potentially be hit by a plane!! This is just crazy isn't it?!?!?!

try making sense LS-415070 why the pentagon then to wide . a plane hits the ground is it because the ground was to dark they couldnt see it. it didnt matter the size of the building if it ment somthing to the usa they were going to destroy it

Why don't you just goto Canada if you don't like it here. Than you can tell them every thing they need to know.

Ahhhh, YouTube....the most reliable source on the internet!! {sarc}

6dogs,

How does your butt feel? Kinda sore I bet.

OK, then, since the cockpits now have reinforced doors, can you tell me which seats were removed to compensate for the added weight? And where the scales are that determine how many folks can get on the plane and with what baggage in the hold? Or are you just slinging around statements that have no basis in fact?

Should they have been reinforced and locked? Yes. Does it have anything to do with your theory? No. Did all the other U.S. airlines besides American and United have reinforced cockpit doors? No. Hindsight is 20/20, isn't it?

There really wasn't any agencies back than and all airport security had was like a mug book to look at. You could walk thru an airport like walking thru a Mall back than. Lucky if you saw 1 security person.

I agree, but they are just lining up there ducks before it goes to all the rebuttal stuff. Our system says it's been filed and has to pass through the system and will probably won't fly in the end. But that's the system.

Check your history/geography books - last time I checked, Pearl Harbor is on "US Soil."

Not in 1941. :)

"There had been no Viable attacks on US Soil since the war of 1812." I guess you forgot about 12/7/1941. look it up when you get a chance. Perhaps we should sue Japan for the aforementioned attack!

Problem is that if you work anywhere in the 'intelligence' community (which is an oxymoron) - they get these types of threats all the time. How do you figure out which ones are real and which are fake.

And before anyone jumps on "what do you know", I actually am in Afghanistan now trying to sort out messes.

I don't disagree, RR; it's the same moving target that the airlines could not have envisioned.