Rob you hit the nail on the head.

4 against 1. What a bunch of tough guys.

Or... some Marines simply put, are a$$ holes!

I'm going to guess they were grunts... I've known plenty of grunts to pick fights for no apparent reason. had one spill my beer in my face at a concert one time, turned around and shoved the guy without thinking... luckily the MPs were right there and he backed off, cuz I probably would have gotten stomped lol.

Seriously though, what a bunch of idiots.

Probably only if they were new to the area and didn't know it was a gay bar until they entered and then being manly they couldn't just walk out and gays are in the military now so it must be okay....OR they went there looking for trouble and found it.

Leaning towards the latter option Artie, knowing the way Marines (especially grunts) think.

'Grunts' think?? Better not let Gunny catch 'em tryin'!!

Manly men proving how macho they are! I'm so impressed! Next they should beat up a couple of Girl Scouts.

And yes, macho in this case is a euphemism for moronic.

@ old Squid - lol, touche!

Where did it say that the bar was a gay bar?

Eric, "popular gay bar", first sentence in the article.

This is sad.

Thx - missed it

I walked into a small gay bar by mistake once. The red velvet curtains and some drag-queen type posters cued me pretty quick- though there was a subtleness to it. The bartender and the few patrons there caught onto my mistake fairly quickly, and I think that that was the moment that my slightly homophopbic attitude vanished because they treated me with nothing but respect. How can I treat a gay man with anything less?

“sweetheart" Aren't there far worse words you could be called? I mean sweetheart is at least a kind word.

I hope this young man has no residual damage long term from this attack.

Darrel,

You realize that there are gay marines. And this was in California in Long Beach, which is very liberal, so Id rethink your assessment. The only conservative city mentioned is where the victim is from, San Dimas, and having lived in Glendora (the city right next door) my whole life, I can tell you that gay people are not treated badly at all.

Y'know what most people do when they accidentally walk into a gay bar?

They turn around and leave.

sadly, all the marines have to do is claim they were on duty, get their co to sign off on it, and there is nothing the victim can do. google the Feres doctrine...and sign my petition at change.org to end the Feres doctrine now. with all due respect to those marines who serve with honor and dignity, until we hold these apes accountable for their actions, none of us are safe, and we have no rights if one of these drunken baboons goes off the edge. just good clean fun, boys being boys, in their own mind; and the brass can hide behind the Feres doctrine like a bunch of cowards.

Marines 'on bail' = Intolerant Cowards?

There was a report issued back in the spring; interviews conducted with gay bashers revealed that 61%!!!!!!!!!!! do it because they don't want anyone to know that they are in the closet!!!

WashingtonStateEagle: Your right, but they are BOOT Marines what do you expect....

Jessica-1170252, A pathetic and ignorant response from ROB-898387and mdsj to the article shows ignorance and stupidly . They are calling the Marines latent homosexuals.

@Ray-2194047 - First off, not gay and it doesn't matter whether you are or not. But I said that because the first sentence in this article was that they were at a gay bar. What were they doing there in the first place? Its not hard to put two and two together.

Burn their asses!

ROB,

"He doesn't want to succumb to his desires so he took it out on them."

I think you are right. The article said the Marine called the guy he assaulted "sweatheart", and he probably meant it, too! Those Marines can be into some rough sex.

Highway Star,

"Maybe if gays did'nt flaunt themselves the way they do, less people would be inclined to react to them the way they do!!!!"

Didn't you read the article. It said the Marines entered the gay bar. The gays weren't flaunting anything. They were just going about their business in their bar when the Marines entered and assaulted them. Stop blaming the victims.

HIGHWAY STAR

People like you make me sick, even if the Guy wasn't gay ........4 to 1 come on that's just cowardly.

Who needs these so called brave men in the Marines.........4 to 1 is COWARDLY!!!

I love the fact that the Marines have an intolerance for intolerance.

I'm not making fun of the Marines; I also abhor intolerance. I just like the irony.

General Puller would not be happy with his Corps! They are not there to pick fights but to win them! HE would also not be happy they were picking fights with civilians, unless it was shotguns at 10 paces!

@Leather neck: Not all Marines are knuckle dragging, mouth breathing apes and a lot of them would take offense to your ignorant statement. Yes Marines are tough and proud of it, but a real man and real Marine doesn't show it by assaulting helpless victims and it's sad that our heroes that serve with Honor and Dignity are grouped in with animals like these by ignorant people like you.

Leatherneck you are beyond pathetic. Sadly you have no clue but let me try to enlighten you here: What makes a man...a man.. isn't that he beats up on other people .... what makes a man... a man... is someone who can control his anger and doesn't let hatred and bigotry define who he is. Sadly you are not a man... but a little boy who thinks because he puts on a uniform ...that makes him a man... and he can beat up anyone he wants. I know quite a few leathernecks and they would agree with me... you are the farthest thing from a man that there is. You give a very, very bad name to great men who fight for our country and defend our right to be able to go out at night and NOT be beat up by someone who lets fear and bigotry control them.

Hey Highway Star- You're flaunting the fact that you're an a-hole, so you should get beat up by 4 guys too then? People are who they are, it doesn't mean they are "flaunting" anything. If I wear a dress, am I flaunting that I'm a female? Guy was at a bar with his boyfriend, ooooooh how dare he exist in public! Stupid. I am so sick of and disgusted by these young military guys who think they can go out in public, treat people like dirt and that makes them feel better about themselves. I live in a military town and nobody likes seeing military guys out because they do things like this all the time, it gives everyone in the military a bad reputation even though many are very respectable men who I appreciate having in the service of our country. However if you go around treating the Americans you claim to "protect" like this, do you deserve the honor of being thanked and appreciated?

willowbrook,

"What if "sweetheart" was hitting on the Marine and he was the one who started this with unwanted sexual advances?"

What if there are little green men on Mars? The article didn't say anything about "sweetheart" having made any unwanted sexual advances at the Marine. How about just sticking to the facts and not letting your imagination get carried away with you.

madMarinedad, that really isn't how it works in this case. The Civilian authorities arrested these 4 Marines and turned them over to Provost Marshall. The Company or even the Battalion Commander can't just waive it away like they were "on duty" so to speak. Not sure the Feres Doctrine even applies here, all four of those Marines can in fact be taken to Civil court if the victim so desires. I'm going to apologize to you now, because I think you are carrying some very painful baggage and if that is the case again I am sorry.

Leatherneck

4 New Marines all new enlisted right out of boot camp decided to go out into town to hit the local bar's Normal SOP yet did not know the area since they never been there before. They find a bar not knowing it was a *** bar and entered.

Longbeach is NOT the local town to Camp Pendleton. In fact, those marines had to go WAY out of their way to get there.

You see, most Camp Pendleton marines go to Oceanside, as that is the local town. Some venture further into San Diego and hit the gaslamp district. THOSE are the "local" towns that marines hit.

Normal SOP is to hit Oceanside or Gaslamp. Is it not normal to take the 1.5 hour drive to Longbeach, when those two areas are much closer. They went WAY the f*** out of their way to find this place. And trust me, you never "accidentally" walk into a gay bar. In fact, if their awareness of their surroundings was THAT bad, they should not be marines.

leatherneck,

"Standard SOP"? Standard Standard Operating Procedure? Yeah ok. FYI, the homophobic Marines shouldn't have been walking into a gay bar to begin with if they were gonna get offended by a gay person. Maybe they thought the hot female best friends of gays would be there?

Mickey - the article is quite short on details and since we have a biased Media, they always tend to look for a hate crime 1st, yet, they can only see hate crimes "created" by the majority, not the minority. I worked in a bar for several years, and I've seen first hand both scenarios I posted. It is possible. Considering the unreliability of the Mainstream Media as of late, do you accept everything they say at face value? I certainly don't.

mguy-478,

I never understood the attraction Long Beach offers either. No offense to Long Beach mind you. I had to go get Marines from the boarder a time or two, and out of San Diego. Hollywood too. Even Vegas once or twice (you want to see the top of my head come off? Call me from Vegas with "Gunny, you see, what had happened was........") Never could figure out Longbeach though, seemed like there were easier places to get to.

willowbrook,

"It is possible."

Of course it is possible. Anything is possible. But I'm just saying that the article said nothing about that so I think it would be best to just wait and see.

mguy-478 - Actually, Camp Pendleton stretches up to Orange County (San Onofrre/San Clemente/San Cristianitos gates) and depending on where these guys were stationed at on Camp Pendleton, Long Beach would be about as far of a drive if not closer then the Gas Lamp district in San Diego. Yes, typically Oceanside is the spot to hit, along with Temecula, but many a time, guys on long weekend liberty will tend to journey further than normal.

Also, I have heard many of a time where a friend would go into a bar to get a drink, and not realize it is a gay bar (I have never seen a bar that labels itself as a "GAY BAR" blatantly on the outside so those looking for a bar will know right off the bat... but then I don't go to bars either). Once it was realized they would leave of course though. This may be the same case, the article doesn't say how long they were in the bar (maybe long enough to come to the realization). Who knows? (Not excusing the behavior, just sharing experience)

Leatherneck918 When I was a young 22 year old Sergent stationed on Jackrabbit Hill in 73 a friend of mine and I walk into the Brass Rail in San Diego. We didn't know that it was a popular "Gay" bar but after a quick look around it became obvious. So we sat down had a beer and then left. We didn't get into any fights or verbal altercations with the patrons. There was no problem with anyone there.

So Four Boots got into trouble... now they will get screwed by the green weenie and the civilian world! lol.

Mguy-478 to get to Long Beach it only takes about 30 mins from Infantry School.

It seems to happen every few days that another part of the military makes a disgrace of itself. Urinating, cutting off fingers, burning, slaughter at Ft. Hood! Our military is out of control!

Do you know why the Navy created the Marines. So they could have some one to dance with.

Ranger Up

Leatherneck918

Possibly 4 New Marines all new enlisted right out of boot camp decided to go out into town to hit the local bar's Normal SOP yet did not know the area since they never been there before. They find a bar not knowing it was a *** bar and entered. Realised they were in the wrong dam bar decided to make a formal retreat out the way they came in. One *** decided to follow and make sexually derogatory remarks about the Marines or one of them. (STARTED TO HIT ON THE MARINE OR MARINES) Not a very wise on the ***s part.

Hate Crime my backside.............

MAIN RULE CIVILIANS NEED TO KNOW.

If you **** with one Marine in a room full of Marines, you better kiss your backside good bye. WHY you might think your talking trash to one, but in Reality your talking trash to all of them and they all will **** you up. Standard SOP.

Lots of Army Soldiers at FORT KNOX learned this lesson the hard way.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS. AN UNWANTED ADVANCE MEANS YOU CAN KICK THE SH!T OUT OF THE PERSON HITTING ON YOU.

Maybe the thing you need to realiZe, Leatherface is that cat calls and making an unwanted pass is a typical male approach that isn't exclusive to homosexuals. Straight men do it all the time and as far as I can tell it hasn't been open season on all horny men yet. So either you are confused as to what the appropriate reaction should be for an unwanted advance or you are simply a homophobe with a double standard.

There is no excuse for that kind of behavior, no matter what stupid redneck way you try to spin it. Marines are held at a higher level of respect because we expect them to be bigger than that of a typical coward, which is exactly what these closeted homos are. Whether starting the fight or finishing it, 4-1 means you are nothing but a PU$$Y!

And if you really are a marine you need to know you're nothing but a joke. Please don't admit it, you only make the military look bad. They need to put you on the front line meant for the idiots who don't come back.

BOTTOM LINE: Even if this warped version you are trying to feed us is true, it isn't an excuse.

Leatherneck918,

"im again sorry to say but what makes a gay bar a gay bar is there a big sign outside with a big red arrow saying GAY BAR COME ON IN?"

Are you suggesting these Marines entered the gay bar just by accident? That is possible, but once you are in a gay bar it doesn't take more than 2 seconds to recognize that it is a gay bar what with men dancing with other men and having their arms around each other and things like that. So what is wrong with them that they were incapable of just turning around and walking back out the same way they came in without assaulting anyone?

Willowbrook, I'm guessing you're a guy, just remember your sentiment here the next time you hit on a woman and she beats the @!$%# out of you with her friends cuz it was an unwanted advance. I don't care who you are, if you are in a social situation and someone makes an advance towards you, you say "no thanks". And if you're a straight guy in a gay bar, realize that you might get hit on by another man. If that makes you uncomfortable, stay out of gay bars. simple as that.

Leatherneck, I don't know what to say to you. I can appreciate your rah-rah for the Marines, I think our service people are great. These four need to grow up, and you may want to do that as well, while you may not be going out and gay bashing, you are coming up with excuses for it.

Stephen Coder,

"We didn't know that it was a popular "Gay" bar but after a quick look around it became obvious. So we sat down had a beer and then left. We didn't get into any fights or verbal altercations with the patrons. There was no problem with anyone there."

In other words, you and your friend behaved appropriately unlike the schmucks in this article. There is no reason to be nervous around gay people. If they happen to come on to you and you're not interested, just say so. They rarely attack like a pack of vicious dogs.

jc-2189202: I will share my experience with a *** I ran into while I was Active Duty. I was walking down Boardwalk in CA. I had this *** start hitting on me, I told him sorry not interested and I was not gay. As I started to walk away the *** grabbed my ***, needless to say he ended up talking a short nap on the ground.

When the *** got back up he ran to the nearest cop saying I assaulted him. Lucky for me the COP took my side of the story and arrested the *** for assulting me and being intoxicated.

So again just because your reading ONE SIDE OF THE STORY DOES NOT MAKE IT CORRECT>>>

I would like to hear my fellow brothers side of the story before I jump to any concussion they did anything wrong...

@ Pistol Instructor -

You made this comment to madMarinedad:

madMarinedad, that really isn't how it works in this case.

He lost his 20 year old son through another Marine's FAULT... this is not the time or place to give him a lecture, put your self in his shoes and have a heart!

I don't know what article you all are reading but this is the first sentence in the article:

"Four U.S. Marines were arrested after allegedly beating a gay man outside a bar in southern California, and the attack was being investigated as a possible hate crime, police said."

I don't see the words "gay bar".

@leatherneck918

MOM 1010:

MAIN RULE CIVILIANS NEED TO KNOW.

If you **** with one Marine in a room full of Marines, you better kiss your backside good bye. WHY you might think your talking trash to one, but in Reality your talking trash to all of them and they all will **** you up. Standard SOP.

I think you need a couple of lessons in life....

MAIN RULE OF ANYONE WHO SERVES THIS COUNTRY WITH HONOR...

You serve to protect the rights, and freedom, and life... of EVERYONE in this great nation. You put your life on the line for this country and all it's citizens.

Your "bulls*t" defintion of honor is just that.... this was not a combat zone, this was not a firefight, this was not a mission assigned to you and your brethren.

When living within a civilized society, a "warrior" is still a citizen, and should conduct themselves civily, and withing the law.

These "grunts", as you call them.. are thugs... hoodlums... and do NOT deserve to wear the uniform that they are supposed to be wearing with honor.

Standard civilized society SOP... prosecute their a$$ for the hate crime they committed!

spoken from one who serveed.... 82d Airborne....

All American.... "All The Way"

I suspect these newly-minted marines went looking for someplace where they could show how tough they were. So the looked for a gay bar because they figured the'd be able to beat up some unresisting "fairies."

I know a couple of gay guys who could each easily put a single Marine in the hospital without breaking a sweat. Four together, I'm not so sure.

On the other hand I have a retired Marine friend who once said that some people join the Mariines to prove how tough they are. They finish basic and immediatly go out to prove how tough they are. And most of them get their asses handed to them, because just being a Marine doesn't make you invincible.

Leatherneck sounds like one of those kind of Marines. Real Marines don't need to beat up civilians to show how tough they are. They prove it in combat.

Black Kettle & Sand Creek,

I did, or tried anyway. I thought there might be some scars. Again, sorry for his loss.

Leatherneck918,

Stop being a jackleg. I understand Marine, you are as hard as woodpecker lips.

Actually, Camp Pendleton stretches up to Orange County (San Onofrre/San Clemente/San Cristianitos gates) and depending on where these guys were stationed at on Camp Pendleton, Long Beach would be about as far of a drive if not closer then the Gas Lamp district in San Diego.

True, but you are forgetting one very important factor: Girls that want military guys / marines, go to Oceanside or Gaslamp. So although the drive may be similar... depending on traffic... the chances of hooking up are significantly different. So the "normal SOP" (as Leatherneck stated) is to hit Gaslamp or Oceanside, because those places have the highest chances of a hook-up.

Sure, some marines venture further outward, but they are not as well received by the opposite sex in other cities. And he was talking about "normal SOP"... not the few instances of guys they want to try their luck in a different city.

And to be perfectly honest, outside of Oceanside and Gaslamp, the rest of the females in that area are not impressed with marines. Hell, every girl I know will flat out refuse to date them... based on their reputation. Case in point: this story.

There is a reason Camp Pendleton gets swarmed with fat chicks. Because they are the only ones with self-esteem so low that they put up with guys like that. You don't see the hot, bikini wearing Newport Coast girls going down there... they prefer the guys who can actually afford to live on the beach.

mguy-478,

"Sure, some marines venture further outward, but they are not as well received by the opposite sex in other cities."

Maybe it was not the opposite sex they were looking for.

jc - if you read my first post, I said I was not judging this as the investigation is ongoing. But I also find it tiresome when posters jump all over articles like this and always blame the straight person, or the white person if more than one race is concerned. All the while, the facts of the situation have not been revealed. You too, have made assumptions about this and judged me as well. You would think posters would have learned after the Trayvon Martin case. Many people had egg all over their face and some people actually put innocents in harms way because they judged the case based on a 911 tape that had been criminally altered by NBC.

There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army

The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady of the United States, 1945

Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995

The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps.
General Alexander A. Vandergrift, USMC
to the Senate Naval Affairs Committee, 5 May 1946

"Marines are about the most peculiar breed of human beings I have ever witnessed. They treat their service as if it was some kind of cult, plastering their emblem on almost everything they own, making themselves up to look like insane fanatics with haircuts to ungentlemanly lengths, worshipping their Commandant almost as if he was a god, and making weird animal noises like a band of savages. They'll fight like rabid dogs at the drop of a hat just for the sake of a little action, and are the cockiest SOB's I have ever known. Most have the foulest mouths and drink well beyond man's normal limits, but their high spirits and sense of brotherhood set them apart and , generally speaking, of the United States Marines I've come in contact with, are the most professional soldiers and the finest men I have had the pleasure to meet."
~ An Anonymous Canadian Citizen

Severed Head in a Jar and oops, wrong planet!: Sorry, but if someone starts a fight with me or any of my fellow Devil Dogs. I'm not going to back down just because they are a Civilian.

Thank you for your reply Pistol Instructor... I know you meant no harm or disrespect, but if I were in his shoes I wouldn't want anyone telling me that one case is different from another...he lost his son - thank you for your kind reply.

@leatherneck918

Severed Head in a Jar and oops, wrong planet!: Sorry, but if someone starts a fight with me or any of my fellow Devil Dogs. I'm not going to back down just because they are a Civilian.

Marines are Marines, SEALs are SEALs, Rangers are Rangers, Spec Forces are Spec Forces...

No one serving is better than anyone serving...

once again.. you need a lesson in life. I admire you enthusiasm and devotion to corps. But it in no way should it diminish other brothers and sisters enthusiam and devotion to their corps. 2 of my cousins are Marines, and they have more honor, and tolerance, and understanding of the commitment they made... and the reasons they made those comiitments, than you can try to articulate in a lifetime of your rants about honor...

In combat, when someone starts a fight.... you finish it as a team...

back in the "world".. when someone starts a fight, you have a choice... take the person on, or walk away and fight for something that actually means something!

"All the Way"...

Bluecat. It did not claim in the article that it was a 'gay' bar. Only that it was a popular bar.

We are really surprised when they come home and further the hatred we teach them? We need to stop lying to ourselves. Come clean. Stop the competition to be top dog. Unlike the commonly cited saying, 'He who dies with the most toys, w.....', I think the one who loved the most wins in the end.

The yellow footprints on the Parris Island and Camp Pendelton's roads are being stood on by alot of recruits who simply don't belong on them. There are gang's that have members enlist just to learn everything a Marine is taught so they can come back loaded with knowledge only a Marine knows. This knowledge is then passed on to strengthen the gang.

I'm not saying this is the case or I'm definitely not defending they're witnessed actions. So, even though all Marines are taught respect, control, honor and discipline, not all are as upstanding as the Marines I had the pleasure to serve alongside.

Bob fu,

"There are gang's that have members enlist just to learn everything a Marine is taught so they can come back loaded with knowledge only a Marine knows."

Unfortunately, from what I have read, that is true. I've heard that there are even neo-Nazi groups who send their members into the military just to get the training.

Mickey,

I've not only heard that, there's gang tagging all over the Middle East to prove it. Sad truth.

The military doesn't make heroes anymore. Thugs on steroids! Thx to the current state of affairs these kids have no choice but to join for various reasons. Obviously these douche bag marines didn't go to the self-discipline or respect class. Great job their parents did in raising them.

10 Extraordinary Reasons Why People Join the Military: Very sad!!

http://ezinearticles.com/?10-Extraordinary-Reasons-Why-People-Join-the-Military&id=151112

Willowbrook:

"we have a biased Media, they always tend to look for a hate crime 1st," The media did not call it a hate crime, they only reported that the authorities are considering hate crime charges. They've reported the facts as none to date. Where's the bias?

Leatherneck:

"One *** decided to follow and make sexually derogatory remarks about the Marines or one of them. (STARTED TO HIT ON THE MARINE OR MARINES) Not a very wise on the ***s part." Your reaching there. According to the article, it was the marine who was making derogatory remarks, not the other way around. Even if a pass was made on them (a guy hitting on another guy in a gay bar! who would've thought?), is the marine's sexuality so insecure he can't rebuff it without turning to violence? If he did feel the need to get physical with the guy, what kind of man is he that he needs three buddies to help him? You keep writing that civilians need to understand the Marines' SOP...well, you need to understand the U.S. SOP, which is no one is above the law. If your Marine buddies must beat up civilians 'cause they can't take some trash talk, they are guilty of assault.

Highway Star; without gay and bi sexual people in Rock & Roll, you wouldn't have but a hand-full of bands to cheer for. For those not in the know - Highway Star is the name of a Deep Purple song, personally I would have went with Space Truckin'. Stop making rockers look bad.

I went into a gay bar about 30 years ago, With a gay friend of mine (I am not gay), I had a great time!

Free drinks all night! I had fun and nobody "messed with me".

I would rather go to a gay bar than a "Grunt" bar!!

Leatherneck you continue to equate getting hit ON with simply getting hit. Someone making a pass at you isn't the same thing as starting a fight.

That lack of ability to differentiate between the 2 simply makes you a moron who happened to be trained as a marine. So again, you aren't doing the Corps any favors by trying to be their poster child.

A REAL marine has self discipline and knows how not to interpret everything as a fight. So I guess you failing to exemplify this behavior only proves my earlier point about you being a joke.

Ah. The few, the proud...

What's truly sad is... as long as the republican party/right wing continues to institutionalize their hatred toward gays, trying to build their hatred into discriminatory laws that make people "less than" and make them "second class citizens" -- this kind of hatred and violence toward gays will continue.

Equality Under the Law. A concept that has been a part of this nation since its beginning -- it's time we lived it fully and extended full equality and equal rights to the gay citizens of our country.

This sort of thing is unconscionable, and right-wing's continued attempt to legislate hatred and excuse it by quoting their goddam BuyBull scriptures is nauseating.

Lolly1192: you dont know me so STFU.

Some one touches me without my approval that is assault by criminal LAW. PERIOD

Plus you obviously have no Comprehension of what I been saying....

Boot Marines don't start fights and I'm not going to take one persons word as Gospel of what happened. I would like to hear from my fellow Devil Dogs there side of the story before I decide if they were wrong or RIGHT.
WTF do you not understand??????????????/

Poor widdle faggot, does it hurt? If he quit trying to feel up marines he wouldn't get his ass kicked.

Sorry BUBBA did not see your post: General Puller would not be happy with his Corps! They are not there to pick fights but to win them! HE would also not be happy they were picking fights with civilians, unless it was shotguns at 10 paces!

Really lets ask him...............

When an Army captain asked him for the direction of the line of retreat,

Col Puller called his Tank Commander, gave them the Army position, and ordered:

"If they start to pull back from that line, even one foot, I want you to open fire on them."

Turning to the captain, he replied "Does that answer your question?

We're here to fight." At Koto-ri in Korea

- Chesty Puller at Koto-ri in Korea

"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't

be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our

women and breed a hardier race!"

-Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC

"Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". "

Major General Chesty Puller, USMC - while on a Battalion inspection.

HMM...........

So my guess is that the F** did something to Pi** off my fellow MARINES and got his *** handed to him.

Leatherneck, your own words prove you are an ignorant bigot. Your worldview is disappearing. Every year there are fewer and fewer who think that way, and those remaining will fade into irrelevancy just like the ignorant racists who wore the white hooded sheets in the old South.

BTW, you don't come-off on here as tough as you seem to imagine - making threats anonymously from the safety of your keyboard. ha! Big @!$%#ing deal - any jerk-off can do that.

Leatherneck: First we are talking about AMERICAN CIVILIANS, you know the ones MARINES are supposed to be fighting FOR. Marines are supposed to fight FOR FREEDOM. 4 guys against one? Hmmm. The Marines I served with (and there were many) wouldn't see that as a fair fight.

benji2: So my guess is that the F** did something to Pi** off my fellow MARINES. What part of Guess do you not get?

Shelly from Portland Oregon: So what, do you know how many times I been in a Bar and some AMERICAN CIVILIANS decided they are going to pick a fight with me DO TO THE FACT I AM A MARINE. I been attacked by a group of civilians at the same time. So what your point Einstein? You think that do to you are a civilian and an AMERICAN we are just going to sit back and not do a dam thing if you provoke us or attack us. What part of as a US MARINE we watch each others back, do you Civilians not get?

Shelly from Portland Oregon: these are just two examples that your POINT is one of IGNORANCE.

US Marine Attacked by 20 Black kids at movie theater; Wife knocked unconscious by Black Man

http://www.videowired.com/video/1295894956/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/heroic-marine-attacked-at-welcome-home-party/

Is it possible that all people were drunk at the time

Bunch of leather redneck jarheads posting here I see.

1. Pendleton is 2 hours south of LA, one doesn't accidentally drive to a gay bar in Long Beach from the base.

2. Silver Fox is in a quiet neighborhood area with very little parking, nowhere near the popular "straight" college bars, and is clearly identified as a GAY bar from the outside.

3. Hang the redneck jarheads high, that they went there with a purpose to bash gay people is quite obvious.

No, probably not. They'd never be supported in court unless someone's life is being threatened. You really can't just shoot someone beating another person up.

You can stab them to death in self defense. Carrying a knife isn't illegal. Aim for the jugular so they can't stop the bleeding. Oh, and btw, the story should have started out "4 Homos from Camp Pendleton walk into a bar..."

ROB-898387, people sometimes die from being beaten up, especially when there are four of them, so you can easily make the argument for shooting the attacker. As always, it depends on the particulars of your state's laws...mine would allow it.

The only problem is that it happened in California, where it is much harder to carry a concealed handgun.

I would also like to correct one sentence in the story: "The Marines, based at Camp Pendleton in southern California, were in their first last enlistment...."

ROB-898387 - True that you can't in California, but you most likely could in Florida. Stand Your Ground would basically allow you to claim that the level of harassment made you feel threatened enough.

StMiller,
It was only a matter of time...I knew someone would bring that up.

Keep posted, we still don't know what will happen to Zimmerman.

Military Man-1740371 - I didn't refer to the Zimmerman incident at all. I wasn't even thinking about that.

Military man, you are right, there is no comparison: In the present case, the victim was REALLY beaten up.

Of course you can, ROB...

As a Gay Man who happens to carry CCW. Yes, I agree with you. With current SYG laws once they stepped outside the bar- The victim or his friend would have been legally allowed to defend themselves with lethal force if they felt "threatened" by the 4 attackers. With each State Differing on SYG laws- What court would convict the victims in this case given the facts provided in the article, 4 attackers on one or two victims.

Alright everyone! Look the article states they walked into the bar and called a guy sweetheart big deal not that bad i used to call the marines in my charge sweetheart or girls all the time! Example gear up sweethearts! fall in girls! its a manner in which marines talk sometimes. And this didn't happen in the bar it happened after the marines left the bar. So, that tells me that the guy who got assaulted followed them out of the bar to probably mouth off or to show his boyfriend that he was tough, because sometimes even gay guys act macho too! and the media generally doesn't like the military especially marines! so a fight ensued and the guy got his butt kicked and it is general proceedure for law enforcement to arrest all parties! even if his budies never did anything except stood there and watched! no one has talked to the marines to get their side of the story, did anyone notice! if they all did do this they should be punished but i'm guessing this is being blown out of proportion by the media! why don't wait until all the facts are out before all of you go bashing marines!

The constitution is my gun permit...

SteveUSMC

A witness "adding that the alleged attacker had called the victim “sweetheart.”

and the guy got his butt kicked

And it took four Marines to do it?

SteveUSMC-totally agree with you. As usual everyone seems to jump on the media wagon and do not think of the other side. The marines very well might have committed this crime and need to be held accountable if it is true, however "allegedly" does not equal guilt.

Severed-just FYI witnesses lie all the time. More information needs to be gathered.

I have been to plenty lesbian bars(I am female and not gay). And no I am not insecure or want to screw other females. I say this because someone will think this and name call or whatever makes them feel better. Anyway, I was hit on many times and sometimes telling the person hitting on you that you are straight makes them more aggressive knowing full well you might be uncomfortable. Just like a straight guy hitting on a straight girl. They get a kick out of it.

Yeah, I see a courts martial in their future. Hope they end up in the brig vs a civilian prison, as the brig will be a lot worse for them.

Rob,

Watch it,

That was an Army on Army hazing incident, you may want to mention that. The impression you are giving people is something completely different. The outcome of the issue has not been determined, but I would guarantee the soldier who hit the SGT will be punished, if not discharged.

Don't be a Tea/Pub and only use part of the facts when you want to bash the military. It looks to me like you may have some issues of your own.

Military Man - maybe it's just me, but I think you're reading a little too far into Rob's comments. He is not bashing the ENTIRE military with his statement, he is simply stating that there is an obvious issue with morals and discipline for the unit these Marines belong to. Which may or may not be true, as there are always those 10% that are going to mess things up no matter what.

I just wonder if these punks will have the courage to live up to their "death before dishonor" tattoos.

i know of one marine, with drugs in his system, and drugs found in his dorm, with a record of violent behavior and wreckless driving, who ran over another marine who was stopped at a red light, on base, in his own car, dressed in civilian clothes who died instantly from the Humvee the idiot "parked" on his chest while cutting a corner too close and running a red light. his driving violation the day before his final joy ride was to have his driving privilege revoked. his punishment? he doesn't get to be a marine anymore, and can go home to mommy and daddy. the magistrate responsible for determining if the case goes to court is a...wait for it...RETIRED MARINE! these cases never see the light of day, much less a court room.

Leatherneck918 you are correct. Your earlier comments that were stricken should be emailed to our young brothers and should become their official story. Thats exactly what happened. If they all stick to it they will be ok. It wouldnt surprize me if that's exactly what they do and say. Semper Fi Bro!

Brokinarrow... Do not argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Thanx, for your posts. A voice of reason in the wilderness of stupidity.

Leatherhead918... Assumption is the mother of all f**kups. I suggest you read the posts by Old_Squid and Brokinarrow. BTW, where did you learn to spell? It certainly wasn't in the military. You sound like a wanna' be. What happened, couldn't cut it? I see you've learned to cut and paste. ."Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein

Scrappy505795... Water seeks it's own level. So does stupidity

Darrel B. You're just a homophobic idiot.

Mickey... Don't wrestle with pigs. Everybody gets dirty and the pig loves it.

Sam-3910152: Its called Dyslexia.

Adult with dyslexics can read with good comprehension, but they tend to read more slowly than non-dyslexics and perform more poorly at spelling and nonsense word reading, a measure of phonological awareness. Dyslexia and IQ are not interrelated as a result of cognition developing independently.

Just a little tip SAM, I don't have to spell correctly in the USMC. I was not ADMIN or behind a desk pushing papers. My MOS was the responsibility of Multi-Million dollar Vehicle and other Marines that made up my crew.

That'd be too good for them. In the military they'll face military penalty and jail time and then get out and face it again.

If they face civilian charges the military wil just demote and discharge them after they are found guilty.

It's called bullying. Starts in preschool.

faggot has been a derogatory and homophobic term for over 20 years.

When did ni@@er become a slur? You hear it in movies and rap music every day. And why can't I type that word here but you can type the word 'faggot'?

They are not charged with verbal abuse but physically attacking someone, and the use of homophobic slurs, and faggot and queer have been that for eons just like the @!$%#, and if people choose to use those terms in reference to themselves it is their right, but in certain contexts they are slurs, the use of these terms in conjuction with a beating can constitute a basis for a hate crime charge.

I will bet these 'marines' just got out of boot camp and think they are real tought.

faggot has been a derogatory and homophobic term for over 20 years.

The term has been changing over the past decade or so to be more synonymous with douchebag or ***hole.

Context has a lot to do with the intended meaning of word usage.

It's all in the nuance, discretion, and application, Mike - something that bigoted TeaWingers have never, ever figured out how to manage or apply...

Not everything is a hate crime folks. I mean if I beat up a fat woman cause she stole my waffle and not because she was fat...but I called her fat while I was doing it, would I also be going to jail for a hate crime? Or if I beat up a prostitute because she threw her used condom on my car windshield and called her a whore while I was doing it...is that a hate crime?

Gimme a break on the hate crime crap...but 4 against one is just BS and cowardly...and beating on someone without provocation is pretty crappy as well.

Context may very well have meaning, but some words are best left alone. I would guarantee if the majority of people started using racial slurs that white people found extremely offensive, as "every day terms" it wouldn't fly. They would be called "fighting words."

Prejudice and discrimination aren't funny. Certain words should not be used as synonyms. It is not only offensive it is discrimination and in many "contexts" illegal. Just because they do it in the media doesn't make it right or any less offensive.

I also find it ironic that the people who "aren't offended" by the use of some of these words are trying to justify continuing to use them. At the same time trey are irate when people use words that OFFEND THEM! Double standards seem to run a muck.

No, they're not fighting for your freedom, if they were this type of event would not have occurred. They enlisted because they have no skills and barely made it through high school and don't have any options. Not to mention they're closeted homos but that's another conversation altogether.

The Marines Corps actually has higher testing standards than the other branches of service.... just sayin ;-)

The Marines Corps actually has higher testing standards than the other branches of service.... just sayin ;-)

Air Force has the highest testing standards.

You are so right!!!!!

Based on your assumptions about the military being all like these four Marines we can now also beleive that all African American men are rapists and gang-bangers. All African American women are crack whores, prostitutes and baby mommas. All whites wear hoods and lynch people. Al Italians belong to the Mob, all Hispanics are drug runners. Al Europeans are anti-semites, all Jewish people are greedy bankers. All Asians look alike and eat raw fish and rice. Al Africans are cannibals, etc, etc..

Do you ever get claustrophobic in that small minded little world of yours?

Air Force has the highest testing standards.

Incorrect sir, as I said, Marines Corps has the higher testing standards (by a whole one point lol):

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/genjoin/a/asvabminimum.htm

And in fact I stand corrected, COAST GUARD has the highest testing standards, with a minimum of 40 required on the ASVAB.

-edit- in fact, I just plain fail at reading today, Air Force does indeed have higher standards than the Marines lol, I'll just stop talking now.

Nice false generalization Mike...obviously you NEVER served your country and wish to stereotype EVERYONE who has because of the corrupt actions of a few. What kind of person talks down to those that risk so much in life in order to keep America safe and free just because a few aholes decide they cannot maintain their composure? Someone who has obviously never risked much in life or given much of themselves for others.....

mike-32658799

Not stereotyping much are you mike-32658799?

Or is it that you are just a little jealous as they rejected your attempt at enlisting?

To set the record straight, while there ARE some in the military who barely got out of High School, I can assure you that there are a very large number, I would go so far as to say the majority of enlisted personnel with college degrees. The entire officer corps is comprised of college graduates. I know of a large number of enlisted and officers that have Masters degrees and several that either have or are working on their PhD. Many also speak multiple languages fluently.

So, Mike, what credentials do YOU have other than ??????????????????

To clarify - I was referring to these 4 individuals only. You can all calm down now and stop panicking. And XDm9mm: My MBA in Finance is from Pepperdine.

mike-32658799

Sorry Mike, but it might have been beneficial to indicate a reference to the 4. It sounded like a very broad brush you were using.

HOWEVER.... now that you've clarified things a bit, I would likely tend to agree with you!!

The Coast Guard may not have the highest test standards but they now have the highest height standards required.

To get into the Coast Guard you now have to be a minimum of 6'4"...

That way if your boat sinks you can walk to shore.....

( I have a lot of respect for ALL branches of the military and just sharing a joke so before you get your panties in a wad...)

We have a military composed of over 1 million volunteers. There is bound to be an idiot or two in the mix. However, that is no justification to slander the 99.99% who serve honorably.

If you don't like the way our military defends our freedoms you can a) volunteer and serve yourself or b) move to another country.

sjacobs123 - You really need to get grip on what this country is all about. I am just sick and tired of that old line "love it or leave it. The military does not get to decide on who gets freedom or what particular freedoms we enjoy. They also do not get to chose the manner in which they provide freedom. This decided by the government (which is all of us). We are all Americans, there is no requirement to serve in the military, and serving does not entitle you to special freedoms. No one should have to move to another country just because you say so. The military has standards and they are not above the law. As matter of fact they should be held to higher standard. It is the right of every American to question the way the military conducts itself. What you are proposing is a military dictatorship.

Mike, glad you identified yourself as having an MBA from Pepperdine...now we can lump you into how everyone feels about investment bankers and those who gravitate towards Wall Street money and the public's distaste of how they handle it. See the correlation?

@granitejon...could not have said it better. blind allegiance to governments and military should have gone out with evolution. it is possible to love our country and despise the bought and paid for political corruption and money laundering we call government and the atrocities committed by our military.

Not before a few years in the brig though ;-)

That's the Marines. Bunch of sissymen. What .. you can't find someone your own size to beat you bunch of sissys. Have you no shame you marine sissies? If you want to fight someone .. why not try a bit more then a gay man. Sheech ... the Marines are just a bunch of silly sissy men no better then the gays they target.

Obvious troll is obvious.

.. why not try a bit more then a gay man.

...no better then the gays they target.

So gay men can't fight, and are inherently bad? And all Marines are sissies?

I don't like to generalize, so I won't assume all people named Eric are idiots.

He's from Canada so he must be refering to Canadian marines.

Harold: RFLOL

Yeah sorry, speaking as a woman and ex-Army - if it took four Marines to stomp one gay guy then its a good thing we're letting gays in.

Really, it takes four marines to win a fight with one civilian? Thats not admirable, that's just sad.

Mike, that's exactly what my post above is about. Used to be you couldn't carry a concealed gun. Well, now you can. Gay bashing can now cost you your life.

Yep. Let's just pray it happens soon.

The violent and untimely death of anyone is never a cause for celebration, but should be a time for introspection to understand how, and what we could have done to prevent it, and how we can be better and rise above. To eagerly anticipate the death of anyone is to bring yourself as low as those you protest against.

Aren't the Marines a part of the Navy?

And do Marines refer to themselves as former Marines?

Yes, the MENS department :-D (sorry, couldn't resist.)
And Machspeeddemon - Yes, we refer to ourselves as "former" Marines for the sake of civilians that don't necessarily know the "once a Marine, always a Marine" rule.

@machspeeddemon:

Never. HOO-RAH!

Yes, the MENS department :-D

Lol!

I salute all who could survive even boot camp, in whatever department. (Figuratively, in a civilian-who-has-earned-no-salute kind of way.)

Brokinarrow: EX is only used by wash outs and Former should never be used now.

Marines, listen up! The Commandant has spoken!!!! No more "former" Marines!!

It begins with the Commandant's Priorities, then his Planning Guidance follow, and is in turn followed by some very important information, important to all of us. A quote from the Commandant, General James F. Amos:

"A Marine is a Marine. I set that policy two weeks ago - there's no such thing as a former Marine. You're a Marine, just in a different uniform and you're in a different phase of your life. But you'll always be a Marine because you went to Parris Island, San Diego or the hills of Quantico. There's no such thing as a former Marine."

The Commandant of the Marine Corps, General James F. Amos

So STOP WITH THE ****ING former **** MARINE.

what about the marine who killed my son, also a marine? what do you think he calls himself? does he still get in bar fights and brag about his "service"? does he go home and beat his wife and kids, and kick the neighbors dog? does he still drive like a madman? does he think about eating a bullet himself?

Leatherneck918 ~ how about pile of $hit marine

madMarinedad: Sorry for your loss. I was not there, had I been there I would have done everything in my power to help your son.

Tony Bell-355131: Wrong try again>>>>>>>>>>

thanks leatherneck and pistol instructor, and to those fine marines who tried desperately to save my son! to the coward who did it, then ran and hid, come finish the kill you coward...my life ended that same day. only pain and anger remain. man up, punk!

Marines - you mean the Naval Infantry, right? :)

Marines, don't waste your time hating on me, I got that line from a ex-Army bud of mine. I saw him use that on an ex-Force Recon gunny we worked with - the reaction was pretty special. Of course, about two weeks later he sticks in head in the office, simply says "Chairborne" to my bud, and leaves. THAT reaction was equally special.

I have nothing but respect for our troops, but 4 against one on an incident like this seems questionable unless the victim was some sort of gay ninja. Leatherneck918 has a good point as well - it'd be nice to hear the other side of the story.

DW,

"Marines, don't waste your time hating on me, I got that line from a ex-Army bud of mine."

Don't worry about it. You have obviously never been in the military. Otherwise, you would know that every branch of the military has its own favorite "put-downs" for every other branch. It's all part of our good, healthy inter-service rivalry.

Healthy may be a stretch...... :D

Pistol Instructor,

"Healthy may be a stretch"

You may be right about that. Sometimes it can even be downright unhealthy as in the case where fist fights break out between groups from different branches of the service. I've seen my share of that.

Some guy,

"Aren't the Marines a part of the Navy?"

Technically, yes, but don't tell them that.

Marines, don't waste your time hating on me, I got that line from a ex-Army bud of mine. I saw him use that on an ex-Force Recon gunny we worked with - the reaction was pretty special.

XD rofl! Yeah, I'd bet! A little inter-service ribbing is always fun :-D

Oh, and Leatherneck - yeah, I'm a Marine, but I don't follow the commandants guidance anymore, so cool it with your motard attitude, it reminds me why I didn't reenlist.

Brokinarrow: your motard attitude, it reminds me why I didn't reenlist.

LOL you might find this funny, but I hardly talk.

Hey I am a civilian - I have always known once a Marine always a Marine, and have always thought that is one way the Marines were special and elite. OF course as a Navy brat - I also understood that to get anywhere the Marines depended on the kindness of the Navy ;).

Personally I dont care what you call yourselves - former, ex, Devil Dog, Leatherneck, - I personally respect your dedication and service and I thank you.

FYI - if anyone is interested the 4 Marines involved in the incident (according to Marine Times this AM) were not fresh out of boot camp - I am assuming that since 2 were LCpl, and 2 were PFC - that at least the LCpls had been in for a couple of years.

Hollykb: Some people if they been in JROTC or other pre military programs or prior Military service in another branch can leave boot camp as PFC, Lcpl or even in some cases CPL.

So no, just because some did have rank they could have easily been fresh out of boot camp.

General Amos did oppose repeal but did the right thing when the new policy was issued - he fully committed to it.

"Leadership by example"

I think it's possible. People when on their own rarely do this kind of thing. It's a lot easier for them to do when they have back up from their like minded buddies. Their actions reflect the Marine lifestyle whether some here want to see this or just dismiss the problem by saying it is just Eric being a troll.

That is why I used the broad brush of generalisation in an earlier post.

People when on their own rarely do this kind of thing. It's a lot easier for them to do when they have back up from their like minded buddies.

When you're right, you're right. Whether they're Marines or school-aged kids, bullies are braver when they aren't alone. It's (generally!) a damned shame when our Marines are acting like punk-a$$ school-aged kids.

They will, that is SOP when a civilian is involved in the crime. They'll be charged by the UCMJ and the normal state law.

These 4 young jarheads will be in a world of hurt,California law will spank them and Uniform Code of Military Justice most likely will go to a court martial, Afghanistan will be looking good to them soon

Not a hate crime? They harassed and beat the man for being gay. They used anti gay slurs. They couldn't walk away from trouble because THEY were the trouble.

Court marital, dishonorable discharge and then prison is the only place for them now.

The only way this kind of violence stops is with zero tolerance.

RRuin - the only way this kind of violence will stop is through people keeping a more open mind when it comes to people's personal choices (not to say that being gay is a choice by any means), beliefs, sexuality, etc. Punishment does not necessarily stop the crime.

It doesn't need to be a federal case as you say - California was the first state to enact a staewide Hate Crime law in 1978 - Brokinarrow it is Artie not RRuin who is agruing this is not a hate crime.

Are you kidding me? They are MARINES!!! They've had military training and they decided to gang up four against one on an AMERICAN civilian. I don't care if it's a hate crime or not no way these young men should be trusted with a weapon. Zimbardo's Prison study anyone? When there is group-think and an imbalance of power awful things happen unless one has enough self-awareness to fight the draw. If these guys are doing this at home to their own can you imagine what will happen to the civilians whose lives are in their hands everyday overseas? These guys should be thrown out because they can't be trusted with power and authority (especially not in an elite unit like the Marines), not to make a point.

Jerry, yo can always tell a liberal but you can't tel them much. Too them everyone in the Military is the same. Besides.. facts aren't important when you are a liberal.

proudamericanveteran

This liberal war veteran retired as an E-8. And you???

vet, you are a great entertainer, thanks, we laugh at your posts every time you put one out. Kinda like Jerry Lewis, but he knew the difference when he made a fool of himself. LOL

Old Squid,

This proud veteran retired as MMCM (SW/AW). I was never an E-9 or an E-8 was a Chief, Senior Chief and Master Chief. Of course that you employ you pay grade to identify yourself explains a lot about you. 3395 in case you are interested. By the way, I made MASTER CHIEF at 16 years of service.

Proudamericananus......

You're so f**** stupid in your referral of fellow Americans, I never for one moment assumed you would be in the Navy.

So a 3395, but a Snipe nonetheless...... Too bad your cranial neurons weren't adequately shielded....

Jerry B.....I'm a dummie...so I don't know the difference in the names....but what I DO know.....is if you risk YOUR life to give SOMEONE else freedom.....they are a fricken Soldier!...and this also includes Gays, Straights, in betweeners....whatever!...Labels....I'm SO tired of labels...and people living their lives by them!

These guys need to be punished...yes....and I think they probably will be....sounds like smartass *rookies* to me

awww yes. Personal attacks... the last desperate measure of a liberal who lacks facts and reason. You going to come at me with "Yo mamma" attacks next. Keep playing maybe someday you will get it right.

Obviously you were part of the Zummwalt Navy.

Yep... I was a Snipe and happy to serve. Enjoyed it.. loved my Country then and still do today. Sorry you don't feel the same. However this issue was about a fight outside a bar in Long Beach so if you cannot stick with facts at least stick with the issues.

Fair winds and following seas.

Proudamerican

Let's hope you don't have kids and let's hope they are not gay. Ahh...and please let's pray you never fall in the hands of a gay male nurse in a hospital. As for me I won't have any compassion towards people like yourself. All your comments only appoint one thing...INSECURITY in your own self.

SO, let me get this clear...is OK for the 4 marines to almost kill this civilian (GAY or NOT) just because they are "superior" than anyone else in here? Help me here, an explanation would at least be validated within the parameters of sensible REASON...something you and your kind DO NOT HAVE.

Cheers

ProudAnus....

You brought the attacks to the table bellyachin' and bitchin' about we 'Lib'ruls' Sorry, Motormouth - I made most of my rate 'Pre-Zumwalt' - when engaging in actual combat was the way one scored 'SW' points. One of my 'Lib'rul' shipmates was blown overboard one night by a 5" muzzleblast and wound up spending almost three years boarding in the Hanoi Hilton. You don't have @!$%# on us. This Country was founded on Lib'rul principles and threw off the shackles of Conservative Tyranny. You're just not smart enough to understand that. Ever figure out why your conservative buddies Limbaugh, Romney, and Beck talk a good story - but stayed away from military service??

I am a PROUD AMERICAN LIBERAL - and I find it offensive that a Marine is called a soldier, and Airman is not a soldier, a Coastie is not a sailor. There are names for memebrs of each of the services, the honor of the proper use of those names is earned by getting thru boot camp and serving proudly a s a memebr of a specific branch of the US Armed Forces.

And Old Squid liked you r last post but you missed one of the biggest loudest conservative draft dodgers - Dick Cheney - used every trick to avoind service in the 60's (thus kept his kiester ot of VN).

I hope the LA judge is gay himself and throws the book at these guys

I don't think that would be necessary. Just the facts maam, just the facts.

I hope the LA judge is gay himself and throws the book at these guys

So impartiality in the justice system is not a big issue with you.

Probably just you.

Probably just you.

Wow, good one. When do you bring up my grandmother's choice of footwear??

LOL.. Sorry but you left the opening. Whats a good comeback with grandma's footwear. Haven't heard that one before.

proudamericanveteran

I do believe WOR was referring to the old "your mother wears Army boots"... Of course I hevent's heard THAT line in about 50-55 years, so who knows what might be used today!! But even then I never heard any reference to grandmothers...

WOR.... come on... you've piqued our interest!!

@Smarg 1381922 For the pic in your profile the Obesity protrayed in there is as filthy" and as unhealthy...

but let me en-light you my friend:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

So.. do you get to pick and choose what parts of the Bible you are going to follow??

Jlaiz - LOL.....that is awesome, thanks for the chuckle.

I did want to add though that (from my flawed understanding of course) the Old Mosaic laws (laws from Moses' time) were fulfilled and no longer necessary with the coming of Christ as described in the New Testament. Because he sacrificed himself for our sins, other sacrifices were no longer necessary, except sacrificing pride in the quest for a humble heart. Of course Christ also brought with him laws of love, compassion, and understanding and did away with the old laws.......sort of like amending or ratifying laws of the constitution.... you don't follow the old laws if there are new ones in place. :) Again, just my flawed understanding.

in the 1950's it was ...'your grandma wears tennis shoes'

(BTW this grandma wears new balance running shoes, every morning)

WilliamofRites seems to know his way around Gay Bars and women's footwear.

The sad thing is, These guys are supposed to be trained to defend the people of this country no matter who they are, not be assaulting them. IF, they weren't looking for trouble (which they probably were) they should never have gone there. Stupid mistake, closet homosexual, it doesn't matter the reason. They were wrong and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.