Judge rules Fort Hood shooting suspect must be 'forcibly shaved'

Bell County Sheriff's Office via Reuters

An undated photo of U.S. Army Major Nidal Hasan shows the Fort Hood shooting suspect with a beard he began growing in jail this summer.

A judge ordered Thursday that Maj. Nidal Hasan, the Army psychiatrist charged in a 2009 deadly shooting rampage at Fort Hood, must shave or be forcibly shaved before his trial.

Judge Col. Gregory Gross had said he would deliver a definitive order this week after a hearing to determine whether Hasan would be allowed to keep his beard, which he started growing while in jail earlier this summer. Gross barred him from appearing in military court, citing the Army’s strict regulations regarding grooming standards.

Hasan's attorney, Lt. Col. Kris Poppe, said his client grew the beard as a “deeply sincere” expression of his Islamic faith and because he believed he would die soon.

Gross ruled the defense didn't prove that Hasan is growing a beard for sincere religious reasons, the Associated Press reported.

Gross also ruled that no further hearings for Hasan's murder trial would take place until all appeals conclude, triggering another delay in court proceedings since defense attorneys plan to appeal. As such, Hasan will not be shaved today. 


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Prior to his court appearances this summer, Hasan, an American-born Muslm, was clean-shaven in all other court proceedings since the 2009 attack. He started growing a beard in June citing freedom of religion laws despite a warning from Gross that his refusal to shave was in violation of Army policy. And since then, Gross has found Hasan in contempt of court at the past six pretrial hearings. In those instances, Hasan was ordered to watch the proceedings outside of the courtroom on a closed-circuit television.

Hasan had previously appealed after Gross said he would force Hasan to shave before the trial was slated to begin on August 15. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces ruled last week that his appeal was premature because Gross had not yet issued an order. The court, however, said Hasan would be able to appeal the decision to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals if Gross did order him to shave.

Gross was expected to rule Thursday that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, which is aimed at preventing laws that substantially burden a person’s free exercise of their religion, does not take precedence over Army regulations designed to maintain order and discipline. 

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Hasan, 41, faces the death penalty if convicted of 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder for the November 2009 attack. It is the worst mass shooting on a U.S. military base. He is paralyzed from the waist down after being shot by police the day of the rampage.

The Army has specific guidelines on forced shaving, the Associated Press reported. If Hasan refuses to shave himself, he would be restrained by five military police officers “with the reasonable force necessary,” and a medical professional would be on hand in case of any injuries. The shaving must be done with electric clippers and must be recorded on camera, according to Army rules. 

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Even if sentenced to death, that death would not occur soon due to time it takes to maneuver the legal process here.

  • 17 votes
#1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:08 PM EDT

I wouldn't care if they used pliers.

  • 52 votes
#1.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:02 PM EDT

I bet if you held a lottery for who got to hold him down and the grand prize for the lead man on raking an old Bic Razor across his face you could raise alot of money for charity in Texas. Git er done.

  • 48 votes
#1.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:25 PM EDT

Where can I buy a lottery ticket??

  • 23 votes
#1.3 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:33 PM EDT

May put a large dent in our National Debt..

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:35 PM EDT

ooops slipped while shaving him

  • 30 votes
#1.5 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

I have a straight razor and would be glad to shave him. Oops!

  • 27 votes
#1.6 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:40 PM EDT

How about a close shave around the throat with a dull machete?

  • 23 votes
#1.7 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:44 PM EDT

"Hey Boss, let's shave him"

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:07 PM EDT
Comment author avatarclflan2-1Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Throw a hog in the cell with him, oops Hillary is in China isn't she?

  • 24 votes
#1.9 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:15 PM EDT

To avoid any nicks or cuts I suggest just burn it off with a torch, should work pretty fast too!

  • 20 votes
#1.11 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

Our legal system is so screwed up,its discusting!!That scumbag murdered people and the issue is his beard! Ill be happy to DRY SHAVE him with a Dull blade!!

  • 26 votes
#1.12 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

Why isn't this story ever on the Homepage????

  • 8 votes
#1.13 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

Forget shaving him. Just put nair on his face and head. Watch the hair melt away.

In all seriousness, this is only an issue because he is in a military court. In a regular court, he could grow his hair however he wanted. While I have no respect for the guy, I really don't see why we should be wasting our time on his facial hair. The judge should just say, "you want to be an $%^&&*^#@$#, go ahead. Lets get this trial over with." Of course then that would set a new precedent, so maybe this unfortunate waste of time is necessary. Either way, I just hope we can get this chapter of terrorism behind us asap.

  • 8 votes
#1.14 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

I just want to know why he never had a beard until now? Surely he must have known about Army grooming regulations all along, but now it's his "faith?" Puh-leeze.

  • 22 votes
#1.15 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:50 PM EDT

model railroad man - The issue isn't "our" legal system. He is being tried in a military court, and they are governed by a different set of rules, including strict grooming standards. Because he is officially still a member of the US Military, he is required to meet those standards.

  • 15 votes
#1.16 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

Rontron:: I'll look for my dull machete. If I find it, I will deliver it-- I don't live far from Fort Hood and I will gladly deliver it.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:25 PM EDT

Hasan's attorney, Lt. Col. Kris Poppe, said his client grew the beard as a “deeply sincere” expression of his Islamic faith

I guess that deeply sincere expression did not include the sanctity of life.

  • 27 votes
#1.18 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

he doesn't want to shave his beard because it violates his sincere religious beliefs?

fair enough...and to show proper respect....how about then we pull out those nasty hairs one by one with pliers?

...Koran doesn't say you can't do that, does it?

  • 12 votes
#1.19 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

After you shave him, make him eat a pork BBQ Sandwich with bacon. POS that he is.....

  • 17 votes
#1.20 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

Finally common sense prevailed.

  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

GOOD, THE LOW LIFE SOB!!!!!!!!!

  • 6 votes
#1.22 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

Just shave his ugly head right off his shoulders like his islamist friends did to Daniel Pearl and put it on PayPerView to help pay the victims families.

  • 17 votes
#1.23 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

If he is growing a beard because he is getting ready to die, why didn't he grow the beard before he put his life in danger? He should have died the day he committed the crime!

  • 12 votes
#1.24 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

I am stupefied as to the time that this trial is taking. One month seems enough at the most to find him guilty and execute him.

  • 10 votes
#1.25 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 7:23 PM EDT

Glad to see that We the People are still stuck in the Draconian era of reasoning and justice. No wonder we're slipping into the 3rd world.

  • 2 votes
#1.26 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

I think a blow torch would do the job. We could roast something else while were at it.

  • 7 votes
#1.27 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 7:38 PM EDT

The reason for the beard isn't religous freedoms, the reason for the beard is he wants to broadcast to his fellow jihadist/mujahadeen what a brave fellow he is and how unreasonable the 'great Satan' is. One of the prosecutors stated that the beard would make it harder for witnesses to indentify him, on the contrary, since he is the only one looking like a terrorist in the courtroom, he should stand right out.

I like the idea of pliers

  • 14 votes
#1.28 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 8:37 PM EDT

I hope the superiors of Maj. Nidal Hasan assume some responsibility for not doing something about their subordinate earlier. I hope his peers realise that they should have been more outspoken also. Don't ignore problems, step up to the plate and expose the bad apples in the service.

  • 5 votes
#1.29 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 9:53 PM EDT

Oh please. No more appeals. Give him a shave and let's move on.

  • 5 votes
#1.30 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 9:54 PM EDT

Eet pork, Hairy Boy !!

Shave his nutz while yer at it....

  • 8 votes
#1.31 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 10:07 PM EDT

Why don't they just leave him in the other room and he can watch on TV? Who cares about the beard? Try him, find him gulity as charged (they did catch him in the act of murdering all those people) and get it over with....Don't give this a$$hole a platform to spout about his martyrdom, send him to allah to get his virgins....just don't tell him they're all 12 year old boys.

  • 10 votes
#1.32 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 10:09 PM EDT

SDBruce, 12 year old boys are muslim "virgins"?? Sounds more like... Catholic alter boy sex victims...

Dang, no wonder yer name is "Bruce"...

  • 4 votes
#1.33 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 11:44 PM EDT

I hear a shovel size of napalm works wonders on a beard as pretty as that. Now hold on one minute Hasan and don't move. Guard, bring me a match. Ooops, holy $hit, his heads on fire, quick, somebody put it out with a bucket of gasoline! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

  • 7 votes
#1.34 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 1:04 AM EDT

Suds in Denver... hilarious comment! Great idea for a last meal

  • 3 votes
#1.35 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 2:16 AM EDT

Some excellent suggestions here! I vote for the blow torch, a machete, or pliers. When his final time comes, he should be given a pork Bar-be-que as a last meal and forced to consume it, or have it forced down his nasty throat. He should then be tied down securely, and a stick of dynamite placed between his teeth, under a large mirror, so he could watch the wick burning down to the end. The mirror would, of course, be shattered, but a camera should record it all for broadcasting on the evening news. The American people would feel much better about this. This trial has taken far too long! We need and want justice in the matter and we want it now!

  • 5 votes
#1.36 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 2:31 AM EDT

Even if he did not have such a sincere belief in Islam when he joined the US Army, he knew then he would be required to shave his face, and maintain his follicular development in areas not covered by the uniform he elected to wear. Like it or not by any of us, this piece of human Shiite is still in the US Army until after his trial and likely his sentence is served. I find it beyond ludicrous that a military court was required to rule on this hairy issue ...

  • 2 votes
#1.37 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:58 AM EDT

Just put a bullet in this piece of crap's head and get it over with.

  • 5 votes
#1.38 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 12:17 PM EDT

Screw his facial hair. He's still drawing a major's pay while milking this for all it's worth. Bust his ass back to recruit, E1, and give that money to the victims families.

  • 8 votes
#1.39 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 12:24 PM EDT

I vote for a dry shave with a straight razor by a Jewish barber with Parkinson's.

Oops not PC?

  • 9 votes
#1.40 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

Why is it so difficult for everyone associated with this to understand that a person who murders 13 people while in uniform doesn't give a RatsAzz about the UCMJ. He was apprehended at the scene, with the weapon, over the bodies. He doesn't need to be clean-shaven to stick a needle in his arm. But, NO, some publicity hungry Adjudicator needs to order his rights violated so that any decent ALCU lawyer can get the death penalty overturned on Cruel-and-Unusual grounds, all the while wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on the BIG EFFIN SHOW. It's obvious that civilian law enforcement needs better training, if he bled-out at the scene, we would've been spared both the drama and the expense.

  • 2 votes
#1.41 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 2:54 PM EDT

Instead of stick of dynamite in his mouth, how about up the rear with a short enough fuse that he doesn't have long to wait but give the person who lites the fuse time to get out of the room. I agree on the DULL straight razor and no shave cream.

  • 2 votes
#1.42 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 2:54 PM EDT

Why all the torture talk? This is a military tribune if he must shave,shave him. If it were a civilian court don't shave him. We have to stop this mob rule reaction and lynching mentality. USA is a nation of law and order. Try him, from what we have seen he appears to be guilty as charged. He chose to be in the military, so be it. When proven guilty then give him the death penalty what ever it be I suppose it would be by firing squad. I can live with that ,he can't, and anybody in Europe ,South America or were ever be it the Pope or any other relgious leader or national leader who wants to protest let them waste their breath and time. This is a US Military issue.

  • 4 votes
#1.43 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

Moonie are you serious??? He's still drawing a paycheck after what he did??? That's criminal in it's self!!!!!

  • 4 votes
#1.44 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

The way the legal system is nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised if the judge let's him walk. Oh, wait a second.

  • 1 vote
#1.45 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:45 PM EDT

Muslims in the miliary. That is stupid to begin with. I guess he sat there with soldiers listening to the gruesome details of the kiliings of this man's brothers in the middle east and decided to payout his own justice. I hope they detain and deport all muslims in the military. Enough is enough.

  • 3 votes
#1.46 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:11 AM EDT

They should throw acid in his face, that way he can never grow a bread ever again

    #1.47 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:17 AM EDT

    In all honesty, they should pull that damn beard off. Why bother cutting it with shears? Have those 5 guards hold him down and start pulling those whiskers out 5 to 10 at a time.

    It's hard to believe that he killed those people under some pretense of religion and now he wants to be able to exercise his rights to his religious beliefs. What a crock of shyt.

    • 3 votes
    #1.48 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:17 AM EDT

    He sort of looks like the mental image I have of Feisty Redhead...

      #1.49 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:23 PM EDT
      Reply

      He ignored his muslim beliefs of being clean shaven so that he could join the U.S. military and now he thinks his religious beliefs outweigh the military grooming standards. Until he is officially removed from the military rosters he should be forced to comply with the rules and regulations as applicable.

      While there are shaving waivers allowed in the military they are based on health reasons and not religious beliefs. And the waivers do not allow uncontrolled beard growth.

      • 62 votes
      #2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

      you hit the nail on the head .... he joined the army knowing that he had to clean shaven every day then goes on a killing spree and tries to hide behind religion. he shud be forced to have it cut off..... i suggest sweeny todd to do the deed

      • 42 votes
      #2.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

      Actually the militray does give waivers for beards based on religious beliefs now. The Army gave a Rabbi a shaving waiver because of his religius beliefs not too long ago; within the last 3 to 4 years.

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:58 PM EDT

      We are worried about whether to force shave him or not when we should shipping his carcass to a nice deep part of the ocean to Osama him. Force shave him and wax the hairry bastard from head to toenails!

      • 18 votes
      #2.3 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:08 PM EDT

      As far as I am concerned they could take the rest of his head along with the beard when they "shave" him. After all, this is what his Muslim brethren would do to an American service member. It would also save the expense of the trial and all the obligatory appeals. Unfortunately, in this country even a piece of @!$%# like Hassan is entitled to a fair trial. It would have been better if one of the officers that responded to his shooting rampage had just taken the kill shot right then and there, why they did not is beyond me. Now he will be given a platform to spout his rhetoric during the trial, although at least with military trials that put much greater limitations on things like that than they do in civilian courts. In a military court he will get shut down if he goes off on tangents not related to the charges he is facing. In civilian courts the judges seem to feel a need to let the accused have their say, even when it is not really relevant to the charges. I am gad to see the military courts upholding regulations and requiring him to meet military grooming requirements when he appears in court. I was afraid that political correctness would take hold and the military would end up bowing to his religious beliefs, even though he had willingly entered the military knowing he would have to stay clean shaven.

      • 27 votes
      #2.4 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:09 PM EDT

      JALyons

      Actually the militray does give waivers for beards based on religious beliefs now.

      They shouldn't. Rules should be the same for everyone. If you don't want to shave, don't join the military.

      In this case tho I am not sure what they should do. Obviously this guy will never ever serve in the military again, so beard or not he should get his sentence. Either way there is no rule in the Qur'an forcing men to grow beards.

      • 9 votes
      #2.5 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:09 PM EDT

      If he feels that his beard is sacred, then he should have been more careful to not slaughter honorable military members while he, himself was "serving" in the military.

      As a Texan and a supporter of the brave men and women at Fort Hood, I can't wait for this guy to get his shave and his trial.

      • 23 votes
      #2.6 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

      Give him a razor and a dagger. He can be a man or a coward.

      • 8 votes
      #2.7 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:35 PM EDT

      I doubt we're going to see an execution. Did you see his picture? Looks just like an ape. I think PeTA might get him a stay of execution.

      • 6 votes
      #2.8 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:42 PM EDT

      Surely you meant run an old Bic razor ACROSS his throat? Why not let him go into court looking like a fanatical terrorist? That, and the aforementioned ought to help things along :) Any form of terrorism or fanaticism that leads to tragedy in this country should mean an AUTOMATIC death sentence. Then again, their belief system is idiotic enough to include martyrdom

      • 2 votes
      #2.9 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

      Just use a weed wacker ! and don't forget that nice alcohol after shave too !!

      • 8 votes
      #2.10 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

      I don't care if he shaves or not, if he's in the military or not, he killed 13 people and injured 30 or more, give him a trial and kill him, d*mn! Think about how much money has been spent on his incarceration, security, pay, special needs, medical treatment, legal council, court system, etc.... 1Million? 2? 5?

      • 5 votes
      #2.11 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:16 PM EDT
      Comment author avatarMark S. FreemanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      He joined the military which is a klan of puppet murderers and thiefs, so why the upset? Sounds like GI Joe to the core, so why not honor this guy? I mean he represents Obama/Bush INC well right? Dog bless America

        #2.12 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

        I have an old Weedhacker you can use, still runs pretty good too!

        "A Weedhacker Vern!"

        • 2 votes
        #2.13 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

        I have an orbital sander with 60-grit paper I want to donate to the jail. Once you grind the hair off of him, he'll quickly agree to shave himself next time.

        • 4 votes
        #2.14 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 6:40 PM EDT

        The point is, his beard was not important to his faith before, so it's BS now. He is doing this now show disrespect and have some sort of control over his life. Sorry but he gave up control when he decided to become a murderer. He didn't want a waver before - he doesn't deserve one now!!!

        • 8 votes
        #2.15 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 8:05 PM EDT

        @-Anna- While I can in NO way condone his actions as those DO violate the Qu'ran, having a beard IF one is able to grow one as an adult male IS let's say "encouraged". I do not believe it is Fard (mandatory) but if one can do so it is Sunnah to do so...but not for fashion, etc. It must be from a deep commitment to Islam. I also know that reports have said he tried multiple times to get out of his upcoming deployment...as a psychiatrist, it just seems he hit a breaking point.

        If we all look around us presently, who have been the one's committing these mass killings in the US? It sure hasn't been Muslims...it was the Joker or some other nut.

        There is the slim chance that he has repented truly for what he did...people do have mental breakdowns and do the craziest things! That does not excuse it, it merely explains it.

        As for all others spitting fire about what happens to US citizens in other countries fair or unfair, IF we as a nation are invaded, what would YOU do to protect your values and way of life? I would certainly kill for MY children while I might not do anything other than by biological reflex for my OWN life. If any of us stopped and questioned our government MORE about why exactly we are in such in such place, why it's okay to murder innocent women and children while they slept at night, or had a single thought about the body of anyone we gave a rat's bum about being pissed on or having any other nasty thing done to them while we had control over them, well, we would ALL be under marshal law or in G.Bay or some other US holding camp! The US has been the leading world terrorist well, forever! Think about the blankets laced with small pox given to the Indians in the earliest times of our country.

        Yes, I do think we all need to stop and think about what is happening ALL around us. If we all, Christians, Muslims and Jews actually held to what was given to us in the Holy books....NONE of the prisons would be full, our children would be safe and those who committed ANY type of crime would be punished immediately, not spend decades in prison--earning college diplomas, having cable or gyms, etc. Where is the incentive to do right for those who have it in their hearts to do wrong?

        None of us know the man to know if he is back into his right mind and truly repentive of his crime. Our Lord when we are accounting for our deeds will know.

          #2.16 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 8:59 PM EDT

          I wish we would condone these attention seeking behaviors by making news stories out of them.

          • 1 vote
          #2.17 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 12:37 AM EDT

          A 5 cent bullet would give him a good shave. And I somewhat agree with Beantown mom, why do we put up with plea bargains and allow the good people of this nation to have to pay for these jerks for the rest of their lives. Who is taking care of the victims of their crime. Off with his head ! ! Make him eat pig first ! !

            #2.18 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 1:33 PM EDT
            Reply

            the current standards are somewhat better than in world war II, when a hick in basic who would not bathe would eventually be grabbed after lights out, carried to the shower, and scrubbed down with a wire brush and lye soap. somehow the NCOs would be elsewhere dealing with an issue at that time.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#3 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

            Hicks huh, you wouldn't do the same to city dwelling scum?

            • 3 votes
            #3.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

            WeAllHaveOpinions

            City Dwelling scum, Redneck Scum.... hmmmm scrub scrub scrub.

            • 1 vote
            #3.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 5:18 PM EDT
            Reply

            If they allow this scumbag to wear a military uniform then shave his beard as it is a regulation. I say just kill the sob and be done with it

            • 16 votes
            Reply#4 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:17 PM EDT

            Who gives a crap, this is a rediculous judge, start the precedings.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#5 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:18 PM EDT

            Maybe this "Judge" could find it in him to bypass a trial and order a SUMMARY execution ?

            Say, AK47's at ten feet and fired by as many folks as would like to see this monster, this despicable coward die?

            And maybe a YOUTUBE vid ? Or a pay per view session?

            I cannot fully reveal how I feel about this fool; who in the name of some one or something called allah and in the name of a 'religion' can MURDER unarmed, innocent, unsuspecting humans without remorse.

            This dumb bastard deserves to die a most painful death. He should be released at the gate and given ten minutes head start before the outraged, angry and sad people would have a clear shot at him.

            Yeah, yeah a bunch of you mamby pamby bleeding hearts are saying what an awful thing terrible !

            And I am saying by doing that there would be serious thoughts by the next cowardly moooslum who wants to get a shot a 76 virgins (albeit they are goats) as to whether he /she wanted to carry out such an inhuman plan.


            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:22 PM EDT
            Reply

            The defense is pushing the issue of religious intolerance and how it lead to the defendants break. Legal wrangling and the prosecution and judge making sure there are no reversible errors.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#6 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

            Get rid of this 'defense' team and replace them with 'public defenders' that is what happens in real life isn't it?

            The poor, indigenous criminals get the bottom of the barrel in defense?

            Well, give this guy a couple of ‘honeys’ in minis, just out of a liberal law school; and watch him plead guilty and beg to die.

            Haahahahaahahaaaaaa !

            • 1 vote
            #6.1 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:27 PM EDT
            Reply

            Use a rusty cavalry sabre to shave him. He deserves no better.

            • 10 votes
            Reply#7 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

            And, if they accidentally saw his head off, so much the better.

            • 8 votes
            #7.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:55 PM EDT

            He doesn't have to shave. He just has to remove the beard. Give him three choices:

            1. Tweezers
            2. Epilady
            3. Wax (with a free Brazilian thrown in)
            • 14 votes
            #7.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:34 PM EDT

            Matt-LOL...very funny-well done.....:)

            • 2 votes
            #7.3 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:47 PM EDT

            Es347fan:: Bet they can find a rusty cavalry sabre there. After all, check the Cav Detachment stables!

              #7.4 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

              Epilady - the most painful Christmas gift I ever received.

              • 1 vote
              #7.5 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

              I vote for Tweezers then the pain can last days.

                #7.6 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 5:19 PM EDT
                Reply

                Good lord.....how much time do we waste in this country? That is what happens when you get rich, fat, and complacent.

                • 8 votes
                Reply#8 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:29 PM EDT

                .......... or when you allow all citizens due process and assume innocence until proven guilty. You take the good with the bad. Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.

                • 5 votes
                #8.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:14 PM EDT

                What does getting rich, fat and complacent have to do with any of this? If the judge doesnt hold to the regulations now than he has set a new standard which is not something he will or should do. I am all for the military judge on this.

                • 8 votes
                #8.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:15 PM EDT

                Two words:


                Due process



                • 1 vote
                #8.3 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

                I am not saying due process should be wiped away. That would be tragic.

                The point is that in cases like this when we are 100% sure of the identity of the criminal, they still sit around for decades until we actually pump any lethal substances into their veins. Frankly I am sick and tired of the kid gloves we use to treat the extremely violent people among us who don't deserve any nice treatment.

                • 3 votes
                #8.4 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 7:24 PM EDT

                One word:

                BANG!

                • 1 vote
                #8.5 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:52 AM EDT

                Maybe five ? Bang, bang, bang, bang. bang !

                I love the sound of an executioners rifle in the morning. Especially when used on a monster who would trivialize my nations laws.

                • 2 votes
                #8.6 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:30 PM EDT

                I am still under the opinion that, islam here in America, due to its violence and intolerance for any other religion, should be classified as an organization and not a religion. Then after it' reclassified, outlaw it as a violent organization and start dismanteling the mosques in America. Islam teachs nothing but hate and intolerance for anything not islamic and therefore has no place in American society along side the other religions here that truely do preach tolerance.

                Islam can be defined by that young mentally impaired 14yr old christian girl in pakistan right now who has been accused by an imam, who himself has been accused of planting the eveidence against her, for blasphamy. Supposedly for burning pages of the quran. The penality for this supposed blasphamy is death in accordance with islamic law. Even though the imam has been arrested for supposedly planting evidence in the girls bookbag, the girl had to post bail of the eqivalant of $18,000.00 US dollars and had to be taken out of the country, under goverment protection, for fear that she will still be killed by the muslim citizens of her community. A real peaceful religion eh?.

                Can anyone here really imagine killing a 14 year old mentally handicapped child for burning pages of a book? Even if she did do it, it's a book for christ sake. What is wrong with this religion?

                • 1 vote
                #8.7 - Sat Sep 8, 2012 11:45 AM EDT
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                Let me give this sand nigg#* a cold shave. Then take this POS koran sucking @!$%# to a final dinner of PORK and drown him in it. @!$%# You mohammed!

                • 18 votes
                Reply#9 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:30 PM EDT

                I don't really care one way or the other. You can hang this creature with or without a beard. (I started to say "man," but he is so subhuman, I didn't want to disgrace other men by putting him in the same category.) Besides, if he were for real, he would have grown his beard before he murdered and shot all those other people. Certainly, he should have thought he was going to die, then, too.

                • 11 votes
                Reply#10 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:30 PM EDT

                Dennis for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • 3 votes
                #10.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

                He's got my vote!

                • 2 votes
                #10.2 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:53 AM EDT
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                Why is this even still a issue? will this trial ever reach a conclusion? this is dragging on and on and this beard issue is just a distraction. Come on Col Gross lets get this moving.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#11 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:30 PM EDT

                Any bets as to wheather Obama forgives this turd of his charges before it is all said and done? One muslem for another.

                • 7 votes
                #11.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 8:14 PM EDT
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                Does it require a team meeting for the Army to enforce its grooming policy?

                Shave his monkey butt and get on with the court martial so that he can be executed by a firing squad for the betterment and enlightenment of others, really . . .

                Really! :-D

                • 10 votes
                Reply#12 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:31 PM EDT

                He's a traitor and a murderer, and there is basically no question of his guilt. The attack was almost three years ago now, and yet we have quibbling over his beard. This only goes to show how sclerotic and ineffective our so-called "justice" system has become.

                • 11 votes
                Reply#13 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:36 PM EDT

                The Army does not have the guts to charge him with treason. Let us hope he confesses in open court that he made war against the United States so they can add the treason charge.

                • 6 votes
                #13.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:17 PM EDT

                Get rid of this 'defense' team and replace them with 'public defenders' that is what happens in real life isn't it?

                The poor, indigenous criminals get the bottom of the barrel in defense?

                Well give this guy a couple of ‘honeys’ in minis, just out of a liberal law school; and watch him plead guilty and beg to die.

                Haahahahaahahaaaaaa !

                • 1 vote
                #13.2 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:32 PM EDT

                How about this for a plan ?

                Maybe this "Judge" could find it in him to bypass a trial and order a SUMMARY execution ?

                Say, AK47's at ten feet and fired by as many folks as would like to see this monster, this despicable coward die?

                And maybe a YOUTUBE vid ? Or a pay per view session?

                I cannot fully reveal how I feel about this fool; who in the name of some one or something called allah and in the name of a 'religion' can MURDER unarmed, innocent, unsuspecting humans without remorse.

                This dumb bastard deserves to die a most painful death. He should be released at the gate and given ten minutes head start before the outraged, angry and sad people would have a clear shot at him.

                Yeah, yeah a bunch of you mamby pamby bleeding hearts are saying what an awful thing terrible !

                And I am saying by doing that there would be serious thoughts by the next cowardly moooslum who wants to get a shot a 76 virgins (albeit they are goats) as to whether he /she wanted to carry out such an inhuman plan.


                • 2 votes
                #13.3 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:34 PM EDT

                Take him - shave his whole hairy butt, all of it, take what ever dignity he has, let's make the statement that freedom of religous belief and freedom of speech is not available for him or anyone even remotely related to him. Deport everyone , even his mooseleeem wife, kids granda and his dog (although they probably ate him by now).

                These mooseleeem and even radical jews are way to skilled at manipulating us and our system. Becasue we are free.

                BTW got a spare koooran? i'm out of TP!

                  #13.4 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 10:51 PM EDT
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                  With a dull rusty razor I hope.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#14 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:38 PM EDT

                  ....and an unfocused camera.

                  • 1 vote
                  #14.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:57 PM EDT
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                  The guy's a Muslim that believes it's OK to kill the infidels, and he's simply using the beard to poke a finger in the eye of Americans.

                  Too bad we can't just shoot him, and allow the memory of the wacko to sink into well deserved oblivion.

                  • 11 votes
                  Reply#15 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:39 PM EDT

                  Easy now Letusreason, remember we currently have a Muslim President. If they stall his execution long enough then our President can give him amnesty along with his colleague from Illinois that is currently serving a sentence for selling the Senate seat of his state.

                  • 6 votes
                  #15.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

                  pgard:: Oh we have a Muslim president? Since when? You probably don't belive his birthplace either. Are you a teaparty birther?

                  • 3 votes
                  #15.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                  Susie, sounds more like Christian Taliban Tea Party Birther.

                  • 3 votes
                  #15.3 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 5:22 PM EDT
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                  Soak him in PIG blood, then execute the low-life.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#16 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:42 PM EDT

                  I would not dishonor the pig.

                  • 12 votes
                  #16.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

                  We should have the girls from American Hoger catch 100 wild hog, put the cages with out food for 3 days (the hogs not the girls) then do a Texas Cage Match 100 hog vs. one scumbag. That way he could amount to @!$%#.

                  • 2 votes
                  #16.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 7:52 PM EDT

                  ...(the hogs not the girls)...

                  Lol!

                    #16.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:21 PM EDT
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                    While I have a very strong belief in the Constitution and the right to a trial, this has gone on way too long.

                    If the Military does not have the nerve to try, convict and execute this man, I volunteer.

                    I'll provide my own transportation and lodging. I'll even provide the firearm and ammunition for the execution.

                    END THIS TRAVESTY NOW!

                    • 15 votes
                    Reply#17 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:44 PM EDT
                    George NYDeleted

                    Maybe this "Judge" could find it in him to bypass a trial and order a SUMMARY execution ?

                    Say, AK47's at ten feet and fired by as many folks as would like to see this monster, this despicable coward die?

                    And maybe a YOUTUBE vid ? Or a pay per view session?

                    I cannot fully reveal how I feel about this fool; who in the name of some one or something called allah and in the name of a 'religion' can MURDER unarmed, innocent, unsuspecting humans without remorse.

                    This dumb bastard deserves to die a most painful death. He should be released at the gate and given ten minutes head start before the outraged, angry and sad people would have a clear shot at him.

                    Yeah, yeah a bunch of you mamby pamby bleeding hearts are saying what an awful thing terrible !

                    And I am saying by doing that there would be serious thoughts by the next cowardly moooslum who wants to get a shot a 76 virgins (albeit they are goats) as to whether he /she wanted to carry out such an inhuman plan.

                    • 2 votes
                    #17.2 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:36 PM EDT
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                    Soak him in pig's blood, execute him and then bury him in a sewn up hog carcass. Let him keep his beard or set it on fire before he is executed.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#18 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

                    Clean him up then hang this POS from the highest rafters with TV cameras on him so the NEXT idiot thinks twice before killing our soldiers. I wish our government would stop with the games and wasting the taxpayers money.

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#19 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:53 PM EDT

                    Actually, 'they' would use the film as a recruitment video. Keep in mind you are not dealing with individuals that 'think' like you and I. They are not right in the head, and would look at such a film as bringing honor on this idiot.

                    • 2 votes
                    #19.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:59 PM EDT

                    Boom-They already despise us anyway-so it won't make a difference. I say make an example of him. Bury him in pig parts.

                    • 3 votes
                    #19.2 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:02 PM EDT
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                    President Stinky (aka BO) considers the murders as "workplace violence". The muslims considers it religious freedom.

                    • 10 votes
                    Reply#20 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:55 PM EDT
                    George NYDeleted

                    thats all well and good but how are they going to tell his ass from his face now?

                    • 10 votes
                    Reply#22 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:56 PM EDT

                    His face will be the shaved end.

                    • 3 votes
                    #22.1 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:54 PM EDT
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                    A slow painful torture inflicted on him by friends and family members of those he killed now that would be the ideal justice. This maggot deserves no consideration at all, he is a traitor and murderer, I personally would love to take part in his execution. Shave him and accidentally slit his throat now that's a good idea....

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#23 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

                    Honestly, we should provide protection of basic human rights and decencies, but that's it. I am sick and tired of incarcerated individuals having more rights than their victims.

                    Shave him if he won't shave. Extremists are psychologically conditioned to hide behind everything they can from hoods to so much facial hair that they are disguised. Make him face his accusers and the world clearly visible.

                    • 10 votes
                    Reply#24 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:58 PM EDT

                    he was clean shaven when he killed the troops, just got through burning weeds with propane burner will be glad to burn the beard off of him.

                      #24.1 - Fri Sep 7, 2012 2:52 PM EDT
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                      SHAVE HIM! With a rusty razor dipped in pigs blood.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#25 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                      Shave it!

                        Reply#26 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:01 PM EDT
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