Member of O.J. Simpson legal team rebuts glove tampering claims

Nearly 20 years ago, O.J. Simpson's lawyer, Johnnie Cochran, famously said of a bloody black glove, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." Now a professor says that the defense tampered with the glove, which did not appear to fit. NBC's Diana Alvear reports.

A member of O.J. Simpson's defense team has rebuffed claims that lead defense attorney Johnnie Cochran tampered with a key piece of evidence in order to help Simpson walk away from his Los Angeles murder trial a free man 17 years ago, the Los Angeles Times reported on Saturday.

Former Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney Christopher Darden on Thursday accused Simpson's defense lawyer, the late Johnnie Cochran, of "manipulating" one of the infamous gloves that the prosecution said linked Simpson to the grisly double murder of his former wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman. 


After Simpson struggled to fit the gloves on his hands -- in one of the defining moments of the racially charged trial that captivated the nation -- Cochran famously admonished the jury, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." 

On Saturday, attorney Shawn Holley told the Los Angeles Times in a statement:

"As members of the defense team, Carl Douglas and I were present in court on the day that Chris Darden asked O.J. Simpson to try on the glove ... Mr. Darden's self-serving assertion that Johnnie Cochran tampered with the glove -- or any piece of evidence -- is false, malicious and slanderous ... Almost 20 years later, it seems Mr. Darden is still trying to exculpate himself from one of the biggest blunders in the history of jurisprudence."

Msnbc's Thomas Roberts speaks with William Dear, a private investigator who authored the new book "OJ Simpson Is Innocent and I Can Prove It."

'I think Johnnie tore the lining'
On Thursday, during a panel discussion about the trial at Pace Law School in New York City, Darden, a member of the prosecution team, declared: "I think Johnnie tore the lining. There were some additional tears in the lining so that O.J.'s fingers couldn't go all the way up into the glove." 

Darden said in a follow-up interview on Friday that he noticed that when Simpson was trying on a glove for the jury its structure appeared to have changed. "A bailiff told me the defense had it during the lunch hour." He said he wasn't specifically accusing anyone, adding: "It's been my suspicion for a long time that the lining has been manipulated."

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He said he had previously voiced similar concerns in TV interviews, but could not recall the details. 

Darden's charge surprised key participants in the trial and related legal action. Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, who was a member of Simpson's defense team, and Paul Callan, who represented Nicole Brown Simpson's estate in a successful civil trial against Simpson, said it was the first time they had ever heard the allegation. 

A civil jury in 1997 found Simpson liable for the deaths and ordered him to pay $33.5 million in damages to the murder victims' families. Simpson, the former National Football League star and Hollywood actor, is currently serving up to 33 years in prison for a 2007 armed robbery in which he claimed he was trying to recover his own sports memorabilia

On Friday, Dershowitz called the claim that the defense had an opportunity to tamper with the gloves "a total fabrication" and said "the defense doesn't get access to evidence except under controlled circumstances." 

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Dershowitz said in a follow-up email that he "was certain" in this case that the defense team did not have access to the glove before it was tried on by Simpson in open court. 

"Having made the greatest legal blunder of the 20th century," Dershowitz said of Darden, "he's trying to blame it on the dead man." 

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of course the glove was tampered with. although, i do love the karmic retribution which followed. being set up for armed robbery. ive said it since the beginning, i dont think the goldman's are the kind of family you mess with. i admire them for spending years seeking justice. in any case, hes exactly where he belongs.

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#1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:03 AM EDT

Well my answer and opinion in this case is , This former DA is a very dissappointed and sick man worm whom arrived from maggors to look for fame in the grave

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#1.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:38 AM EDT

why didnt they just test the inside of the glove for dna? that would say something.

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#1.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:36 AM EDT

Good Lord, let it go! It's over.

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#1.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:51 AM EDT

I just hope that Cochran is rotting in hell for his part in freeing that double murderer, Simpson.

That whole trial was a travesty of justice and Cochran's little stupid poem was the sad highlight. Why in hell would the defense ever have possession of the stupid glove? And Darden did make a huge error in having Simpson try it on. Saying it was his size and style he got as a present would have sufficed for the jury.

I also hope Simpson never sees freedom again, dies in prison, and joins Cochran in hell where he belongs.

  • 12 votes
#1.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:57 AM EDT

Alan you are on that same road to hell with Cochran's and the pit you are so consiously digging for Oj's we all can as well kiss & hug a speedy trip.

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#1.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

Nope, sorry Cynthia, I am nowhere near as bad as Cochran or OJ, our you for that matter, with your obvious racial bias.

I am heaven-bound!

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#1.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

This is over 17 years after this happened. Everyone knows that when anyone views or examines evidence does so under strict guidelines and are watched closely. Why is this being brought up now? Why is this being brought up when Cochran cannot defend himself? Are you saying now after 17 years that court security was incompetent? Why wasn't suspicion of tampering brought up in court? Oh, of course, now it's being brought up to sell books! This is over and done with. OJ is in jail. Tired of hearing about old flies. Who cares. Let it lie.

  • 10 votes
#1.7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:09 PM EDT

I agree with Steve. LET IT GO! He's in jail anyway. Why they are even bedrudging this case is assanine.

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#1.8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

Cynthia Scott; what in the world are maggors?? I quit driving ambulances because I was sick and tired of seeing Alan Dershowitz in the rearview mirror.

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#1.9 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:15 PM EDT

There is a good permanent place for that glove...up his a$$...........

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#1.10 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

I doubt the gloves were tampered with but the whole trying on the gloves was rehearsed and rehearsed many many times. OJ put on the best acting job of his career. Worthy of a Academy Award. Cochran baited Darden into it and the fool fell for it. Without it all they had was Furman said ni****. Darden F'd up plain and simple. Clark F'd up plain and simple. They were playing defense from the beginning especially once they announced that they would not be seeking the death penalty. If the defendant had not the money OJ had they would have never taken it off the table for someone poor or middle class. With the death penalty in play OJ would have looked for plea. Two people were slaughtered. Nichole's head was almost cut off and no death penalty?

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#1.11 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:21 PM EDT

Devil's son--nope, you either didn't pay atttention, or you prejudged the case and weren't willing to allow OJ the ONE right he was guaranteed--which was the presumption of innocence. Furman NOT only said the N word, he ALSO lied about it on the stand, and also about having a grudge against blacks who date white women, etc.

Furman also 'conveniently' found the glove OUTSIDE OJ's car, (and why on earth, having 'slipped out' without being seen, would OJ be stupid enough to go to his car (which was locked, and not ONE trace of blood was found inside) and smear blood on it? And Furman also had in his possession over night, the GLOVE, a sock he claimed to have found UNDER OJ's bed, and a cap found on the scene of the murder that had 3 OJ hairs on it. ALL of which, in my opinion at the time, FURMAN PLANTED to insure a conviction. And since Furman ALSO had at his disposal, the CRIME SCENE, he also had samples of the victims blood--and I BELIEVE there was some discussion about the blood on the sock already having in it the anti coagulent that crime scene techs put in it when taking samples. I ALWAYS thought Furman tried to FRAME OJ.

Now, I don't pretend to know if OJ was guilty or not. I DO know that the chances are that Christopher Darden would NOT have been second chair on that trial if he had not been BLACK, in an effort to show the jury that 'black folks think OJ done it'. Darden broke the #1 rule of trial law, which is "Never ask a question you don't ALREADY know the answer to". Or in the case of the glove, ask for a demo.

And as one last question: How is it possible that an OJ who was stupid enough to leave behind a stocking cap with his hair on it (at the murder scene, and again, Mark Furman had it in his possession, and went to the Simpson house and could have gotten those hairs there) have a VERY short time between the murder and the time when he was in a cab on his way to the airport, AT the airport, on a plane, in a cab, (in Chicago) and at a hotel in Chicago, ALL under observation, and even tho the police searched EVERYWHERE along the route, NO TRACE was ever found of the knife OR of any bloody clothes? How could an OJ who was stupid enough to get caught up in the 'theft of his own memorabilia be SMART enough to successfully dispose of all that stuff, and leave NO trace of blood in the shower of his home, or on the floor, or anywhere else there?

That was the MAIN reason, in my opinion, that the JURY got it right. Because there WAS reasonable doubt. Doesn't mean he wasn't guilty, it just means the prosecution/police failed.

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#1.12 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

This case was lost by the prosecution from the very beginning. As soon as the prosecution cried and whined so they could "RE-OPEN" their opening statements the questions of the prosecution's competence began...at least in my mind. The prosecution acted in an amateur manner throughout the trial. The defense did not win, the prosecution lost this case.....they basically handed it to the defense. Every time that Cochran said something that hurt their feelings they cried to Judge Ito. The jury had to have watched this with interest. The prosecution acted like they did not have a case from the start. When they asked to re-open their opening statements it showed a lack of confidence in their entire case. The entire trial was a disgrace. I cannot blame the jury for what happened and I am not going to blame the defense for "cheating". It was entirely the prosecutions incompetent job performance and their amateur mistakes. I think a law student could have done a better job than Darden and Clark.

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#1.13 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

MOmaid has a good point, which those of us who have been jurors at some point (on far lower-profile cases, obviously) understand -- "beyond a reasonable doubt" is a very high standard of proof, as it should be for a criminal conviction which can deprive someone of freedom for an extended period, even the rest of their life.

The DA's office did a horrible job -- first of all, letting O.J. be tried downtown, when his peers, fellow wealthy people, were out in Santa Monica -- the trial should've been in the courthouse there. Secondly, it was obvious that the prosecution team was chosen at least in part to be sure that there was a woman and a black. Of course, we have all heard the statement that no good attorney ever asks a question in court that they don't already know the answer to -- the glove demonstration should never have occurred. The prosecution's most compelling evidence, the DNA, was presented by Dennis Fung, who was such an "expert" that he seemed incapable of selling his conclusions to a very "lay" jury, one which was mostly going to receive more community acceptance if they found for acquittal in any event. Gil Garcetti, if he thinks he's a capable trial attorney at all, should've taken first chair personally in a case with this high of a profile in my opinion. Why voters of L.A. County elected him to another term so shortly afterwards is totally beyond me.

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#1.14 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

I always wondered at the time why the defense did not bring up the fact that leather gloves when they get wet, with blood or any other liquid. they shrink Why didn't they bring this out and why didn't the jury some of whom should have known that this is so.

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#1.15 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

17 years later and we're still talking about this? O.J.was acquitted; how and why he was acquitted doesn't matter, he's in prison NOW that's all that really matters...... BTW, I live in Nevada and it was Nevada that put him in prison......... Some times justice has interesting ways of doing the right thing.

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#1.16 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

Oj is in jail in Nevada for stepping into a situation he had no business fetting into. As far as the crime in LA he is innocent as it is stated in the findings. You home layers are all full of it. That jury not only took time to review all the evidence thay heard but also had time to put two and teo together on the time line. Of course the prosecution made mistakes. They thought they had a slam dunk and darden was a fool to be baited into the glove fiasco. now almost 20 years later he wants us to believe they the prosecution was so stupid as to let evidence leave their and the courst hands so the defense could do something to it? Darden is a bigger fool now as he trys to ressurect his sorry personality from where it went after the trial. God riddance to this non story from aguy nobody cares to listen to.

    #1.17 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

    Double Jeoprady. Nuff said.

      #1.18 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:45 PM EDT

      Christopher Darden screwed up royally in what is likely the biggest case he will ever see in his career. Now to try and cover up this screw up he is trying to claim that Johnnie Cochran, who is dead and is not around to defend himself, tampered with the evidence. This charge is baseless and demonstrates that Darden has absolutely no integrity what-so-ever. If he had truly believed that Cochran tampered with the evidence he would have been duty bound as an officer of the court to bring it forward at the time of the trial and report the misconduct suspicion to the bar. Darden's claim that he did no bring it up then because it would have been the "whiny-little-snitch approach to life" is complete bull@!$%#. How is bringing it up after the man is dead and can not defend himself a better option. Darden is just upset that his actions in the trial are being used in a series talking about the biggest legal screw ups and is looking for someone else to blame for his failures. I hope that the trustees of Johnnie Cochran's estate sue this sniveling little piece of @!$%# for everything he has for these slanderous, unsupportable accusations. I was not a big fan of Cochran, but for Darden to be throwing out these accusations now is reprehensible. Darden has no class or integrity and deserves to end up penniless for these actions.

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      #1.19 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:58 PM EDT

      Failed prosecution team, racist jury, rich famous man walks away from double murder, he was not the first to do so nor will he be the last. Funny how he will most likely die in prison anyway.

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      #1.20 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:21 PM EDT

      ""alan3008

      I am heaven-bound!"

      Nope you're not going to fairy land. (pssst it's just a scam)

        #1.21 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:23 PM EDT

        Ya, dude shouldn't be putting the blame on Cochran. Shouldn't talk about the dead like that.

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        #1.22 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:28 PM EDT

        the glove theatrics was one of the pivotal moments in the trial and I watched every day. Fact : take one dried blood soaked leather glove and a sticky latex covered hand with the fingers extended and palm arched and and (you can be sure that OJ practiced previously) then it could appear that it didn't fit with enough acting ability. I saw the clip of OJ holding the microphone with the exact glove and size and it fit skin tight!! guilty by bad acting.

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        #1.23 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:53 AM EDT

        Cochran was doing his job to make money. That's the way the system works. It was the jury that failed. They had a cut on OJ's finger and Blood+DNA samples at the crime scene, a motive and an unstable jealouse x-husband.

        The preponderance of supporting evidence including scientific forensics, coupled with an innocent verdict, leads me to believe that the jury was ignorant and unable to draw a proper conclusion. Perhaps they lacked education.

        The glove was leather and was once wet with blood. Anybody who has ever owned a leather glove knows they shrink when the dry. OJ was exagerating the fit as well. It looked as though they did fit but he was unwilling to pull them into the tight-as-a-glove fit position.

        What a show. And what an idiot jury

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        #1.24 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:29 AM EDT

        Although I have always believed OJ did it, the prosecution has no one to blame but themselves. They botched the case from start to finish and OJ deserved to walk based on their bumbling, stumbling, can't get out of their own way antics. That is reality, like it or not.

        Which led them to convict him on some contrived fake-ass crap years later.

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        #1.25 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

        The defense did not win this case - the prosecution lost it big time. I am Canadian and dont follow US football so when this happened I didnt have a clue who O.J. Simpson was. So I thought I would watch the trial as a jury would and see where I ended up with it. There was error after error after error in this case by police and by the prosecution. In the end, even though I was pretty sure O.J. did it - if I had had to follow the instructions the jury had been given and not what I surmised to be true - I would have had to acquit him also. The timeline as they presented it bothered me, the lying of Furman played into it, the cops messing up the crime scene and evidence and the prosecution's presentation of the case left me reasonable doubt. So for Darden to come out at this late date and accuse Johnnie Cochrane (who cant defend himself) of tampering with evidence is a case that he just cant take ownership of the blunders that he made in this trial. I wonder if he will ever let this go and move on with his life. O.J. is where he should be and it is time to let go of this mess of a trial.

          #1.26 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

          Others have pointed out the many mistakes made by the prosecution, chief of which was watering down their perfectly good DNA evidence with day after day of testimony about domestic violence.

          But, getting back to the glove, Darden seems to think that everyone, including the bailiff, is as stupid as he is.

          The bailiff is a court official charged with courtroom security. If the defense attorneys were alone in the room with a piece of material evidence without the prosecution being there, his duty was obvious: make them stop and, if he couldn't do that, then notify the judge immediately.

          And if the bailiff had told Darden that (even if it was after the demo failed, or even after the trial), Darden's duty (yes, duty) is equally obvious: bring it up with the judge immediately.

            #1.27 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:10 PM EDT

            O.J. Simpson just didn't want to put the glove on!

            It's like trying to put a shoe on a child when the child doesn't want to put their shoes on.

            It was a serious blunder on Chris Darden's part, and Chris and Marcia Clark allowed themselves to be intimidated by O.J.'s Lawyers throughout the whole trial, which I consider to be Big Mistake No. 1.

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            #1.28 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:48 PM EDT

            I have an O.J. joke:

            O.J. was seated at the trial table with all his lawyers waiting for proceedings to begin when O.J. whispered into Johnny Cochran's ear.

            Johnny Cochran stood up and asked the Judge if O.J. could move his seat to which His Honor replied "No". Judge Ito explained to O.J. that O.J. must sit in that seat because that is where the defendant is designated to sit.

            So, O.J. spoke up himself and explained to Judge Ito that the airconditioning was blowing straight down upon him, and pointed to the ceiling vent from where the cold air was blowing.

            Judge Ito again said "No" that is where the defendant must seat, and that O.J. could not change seats with anyone, to which O.J. replied: "Well, could I at least have back my hat and gloves?"

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            #1.29 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:56 PM EDT
            Reply

            Simpson was on anti-inflammatory meds for chronic arthritis in his hands. It doesn't take an idiot to know that if you stop taking these meds your hands swell meaning that the gloves wouldn't fit. He killed that poor woman, and Ron Goldman, just as sure as the sun rises in the morning and got away with it and the majority of us know exactly why.

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            #2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:29 AM EDT

            well we were not there, and from what we saw, leads us to believe he is guilty as sin.

            one thing though, look at the way he puts on the gloves fingers stretched out and bent backwards. who puts on gloves like that? now I know it looks awkward looking at him here with gloves on , also those gloves were tampered with and wet at some point to shrink them.

            everyone can rest at ease because his final judgement he can't escape.so let's leave it to God .

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            #2.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:13 AM EDT

            Why are you still accusing this man of killing the couple ? Did you witness the crime? why did'nt you go forward with your claim and report him at the said time ? are you in the same hole as the former DA POINTING BLUNT FINGERS OF IMAGINATION ?Why all this endless hate ? would it help ressurect these people ? shame, shame , shame let the man alone, there were glove planters out there yes evidents planters...Still he was not proven guilty... stop this stinking inflamatory it's a sin you cannot prove.

            • 3 votes
            #2.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

            They also had been wet with blood causing them th shrivel. It was obvious it was a courtroom trick. A joke of a trial. The defense blew it...they want too far on the evidence and didn't exploit the damning evidence enough. He wa guilty, and everyone knows it.

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            #2.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

            you mean, the prosecutors blew it. Although, I do not think a moderate amount of blood will cause shrinkage to a pair of very expensive, treated leather gloves. Gloves are designed to get wet. That is just a red herring of an argument, put forth by the defense attorneys.

            • 6 votes
            #2.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:39 AM EDT

            Am I surprised you are black with that opinion. Nope, not at all.

            Simpson was guilty as hell. There was plenty of evidence against him. To think otherwise is idiotic.

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            #2.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:08 PM EDT

            Alan

            I'm Caucasian and I think OJ was innocent. I lived in SoCal at the time and watched CNN the morning it was discovered. The investigators were walking around in all that blood without shoe covers, and then tracked it all over the place. Even the news reporter commented on it. Of course that blood is going to turn up in other places. The police never looked further than OJ. The lack of professionalism by the police and prosecutors was idiotic.

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            #2.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:19 PM EDT

            @ alan...like George Zimmerman?

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            #2.7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:40 PM EDT

            @straighttothepoint (#2 comment above)

            He killed that poor woman, and Ron Goldman, just as sure as the sun rises in the morning and got away with it and the majority of us know exactly why.

            Sorry to have to re-live 17-year old history for your benefit, but obviously not the (important) majority of his - not your - peers at the trial came to the same conclusion as you have, as he was found "not guilty" of the charges. No criminal retrial was ever done for Christopher Darden and Marsha Clark's do-overs.....

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            #2.8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:09 PM EDT

            And katlat did you forget about the long freeway chase with OJ and his friend trying to flee from the cops? Seems you forgot about that part. I don't think an innocent man would run away like that.

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            #2.9 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:29 PM EDT

            @Millie...how does GZ have anything, even remotely, to do with this?

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            #2.10 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 2:32 PM EDT

            Justopit--gee, lets see? The "news" (and I use that term LOOSELY) has first ID's Zimmerman as white, then 1/2 peruvian and 1/2 white, ABC has stated that he HAD no injuries, even tho they had possession of video of Z being taken into the police station that with a modest amount of blowing up CLEARLY showed some of the injuries, has made all kinds of slurs about im being racist until it became clear that Zimmerman has a record of NOT being racist, (And NBC even had an EDITOR who edited the 9-11 call to the cops to make Z sound like he was being racist, and the guy got FIRED for that). The "news" also repeatedly called Trayvon an 'innocent' CHILD, even though he was over 6 feet tall, had drugs in his system (STILL illegal in FL.), was suspended from school for drugs, suspected of B & E on lockers in his school, etc.,

            Gee, my guess would be the relationship would be that ZIMMERMAN was entitled to an unbiased JURY, and the press made DAMMMM sure that would never be possible, just as they did in the Simpson case.

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            #2.11 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

            Zimmerman didn't have Al Cowlings drive him all over Florida with lots of cash in the car at a low speed acting like he was going to commit suicide. O.J. did it, as the civil court jury, which only has to find according to "the preponderance of the evidence", understood. However, criminal prosecutors, thanks to the Constitution, don't get "do overs" once a verdict is reached, as that is what is meant by "double jeopardy". And that's basically a good thing -- I don't want a country where you can be continually charged criminally over and over for the same alleged offense until the prosecution can finally shop successfully for a venue and a jury where you are convicted, as that is a far worse prospect than the idea of an occassional O.J. getting off (which apparently he really didn't).

            • 2 votes
            #2.12 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

            Rlquall

            I know a country like that it's called Canada. Their prosecution philosophy is 'if at first you don't succeed; try, try, try ,try and try again until you get a guilty verdict'........... No thanks I like it here in the Untited States of America.

              #2.13 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

              Cynthia-Scott is a racist! Cynthia-Scott is a racist! Naner-naner boo-boo stick your head in doo-doo!

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              #2.14 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:38 PM EDT

              We're not accusing him ,we're judging him based on our own interpretation of the evidence as presented in court.

              He's guilty and should have been executed for his crimes a long time ago.

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              #2.15 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:09 AM EDT

              Darden and the whole prosecution team blew the case,rushing to arrest ,a trial and ill prepared case! Johnny.C and his legal team made a mockery of the prosecution and witnesses he was well and defended his client right or wrong he did his job the others did not! Johnny is deceased and cant defend himself great Darden make accusations against a dead man!

                #2.16 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:47 PM EDT
                Reply

                Sorry rock and straight.... Neither of those things happened... When leather gets wet from moister or blood the gloves shrink... Those driving gloves are tight to begin with... That and the fact that he was wearing rubber gloves which act like sticky paper... Of course the glove is not going to fit... The prosecution blew it... They should have had an identical pair there for comparison and had him put them on without the rubber glove.... OJ did not get off because he was innocent, he got off because the prosecution was inept....

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                Reply#3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:00 AM EDT

                Read my mind prairefire, the DA would have been smarter buying the exact same gloves and had him put the gloves on instead of trying to use the actual gloves. Oh well..he's in prison, karma is a bitch...etc...

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                #3.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:10 AM EDT
                Comment author avatarCynthia Scott-5898917Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                He got off because he was totally innocent to their imaginations. The Lord took the whores lives because they're sinners before his sights he is the only life giver. There were other haters out there whom could have committed the crime that were interested in that unstable woman. If they were not legally seperated what was the young man doing there where his corps were found ?

                  #3.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:11 AM EDT

                  Cynthia Scott:

                  I understand your point. I gather in your view, the Lord was vindicating OJ for his cheating wife.

                  I just wonder why the Lord planted so much evidence so as to frame OJ?

                  And if the Lord used a human being to do the murder under His direction, why couldn't the Lord have used OJ to do it?

                  And is OJ really vindicated, as his reputation and wealth was destroyed in the process? And the fact is, he is in prison right now. Doesn't sound like blessings from the Lord. At least not the Lord I am thinking of.

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                  #3.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:46 AM EDT

                  In reply to you That racial police officer what ever his name be who was with Simpson's wife what ever his name be has a great impact on the planting of evidence, and always have a presence in every thing that happen in that family history no one is mentioning him. He could have done the crime with his involvement which went under the carpet " Mark Forman " is the name of the culprit.

                    #3.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:08 PM EDT

                    Cynthia Scott-5898917the Karma thing is working ,Simpson is in prison where he belongs..so stfu.

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                    #3.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

                    Cynthia

                    Did the cops plant OJs attempt to flee the USA?

                    Did they Plant him running in his Bronco?

                    Did they plant the phone calls to the cops when he abused Nicole?

                    Mark Fuhrmanns being a racist or not has NOTHING to do with Simpson being Guilty or not

                    I have actually met Simpson innumerable times when he was doing TV Commercials

                    He was a hot head then and unpleasant to deal with--obviously violent tendencies

                    And the Waiter who was returning her glasses was gay, I doubt he and Nicole were having much of an affair.

                    So why do you call him a whore?

                    Seems you choose to Believe anything Simpson says when there is much to contradict it.

                    THe question is why do you do that?

                    All I need to know that he did do it was his attempts to flee, his Bronco run and those phone calls.

                    It may not prove he did it legally, but it certainly tells anyone with any intelligence he did do it.

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

                    OJ did not get off because he was innocent, he got off because the prosecution was inept

                    Correct. The Los Angeles District Attorney's office was so arrogant at the time due to the fact that they would usually just steamroll over the vast majority of defendants due to inadequate or flat-out terrible legal representation. Then OJ and the "dream team" shows up-an array of the most experienced and successful attorneys at that time (the best money can buy)-and, quite frankly, the prosecuting attorneys were way in over their head, nowhere near the caliber of ANY of the dream team members.

                    Money-or the lack of it-will absolutely give one a different judicial outcome almost every time.

                    • 3 votes
                    #3.7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

                    Absolutely the glove belonged to OJ - not only did the receipt from Bloomingdale's prove that (Nicole had bought them as a Christmas present - and very few were ever made), but the very finest, fur-lined leather gloves are easily shriveled up and RUINED by just getting wet. I lived for 30 years in Chicaago and Detroit - I had wonderful dress gloves that got ruined just by making a snowball ONCE! Plus, there are photos of OJ wearing THE GLOVE at a Buffalo Bills football game - he was announcing the game, and holding his microphone in a gloved hand - THE GLOVE! Darden probably never lived in a snowy, wintry place - maybe just LA? He was absolutely a fool to allow an arthritic OJ to try on the shriveled-up glove; I doubt there was any extra tampering necessary...

                      #3.8 - Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:36 AM EDT
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                      I thought of that too back in '95, I think there was some BS that went down with that, but if Cochrane was involved it was only in an advisory role - a fact which, if true, he took to the grave. In '95 I bought two similar pairs of gloves, one set close-fitting, the other loose-fitting then tried to recreate that famous moment. I found I could make the close-fitting pair not fit by tensing the muscles in my hand a certain way. They would hardly fit at all when dipped and dried in deer blood. I dipped the loose-fitting pair in deer blood, let them dry, then tried the same thing - with the same results.

                      If you ask me, it was a dumb move letting that happen when $40 and some basic experimentation could have shown it an unreliable method. I believe in my heart that OJ slaughtered those two people and pulled a slick one in the courtroom. Who else would be interested in doing so? Even the conspiracy lunatics haven't been able to think of anyone else with motive and access.

                      BTW - If you're ever thinking of murdering someone, using leather gloves that will just barely fit over your hand is a good idea. Make sure you use some food service gloves as lining to prevent DNA leave-behind.

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:01 AM EDT

                      If you change the pronoun in your moniker from 'you' to 'I' it would make a lot more sense. Nobody reading these blogs would for even one second believe that you did anything you claim to have done in your blog. It would appear that you have been watching to many CSI shows. I'm pretty sure everyone realizes who it is that's living in a bubble. Hey, what's that sound?..."POP!"

                      • 2 votes
                      #4.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:22 AM EDT

                      You're obviously a liberal troll. You shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions - I was in law school at the time and had to do a presentation.

                      Lord God, you libs are sooooo stooooooopid!

                      • 5 votes
                      #4.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:56 AM EDT

                      Huh? someone call me? You may have bought two pairs of gloves, but they probably weren't similar. OJ's gloves, I recall hearing, cost like $800/pair. Did you kill a deer just for the presentation, or did you go to the animal blood bank?

                      • 3 votes
                      #4.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

                      Stupid is as stooopids is.

                      Jeez, I got an A on that presentation. Leather is pretty much leather, it varies relatively slightly by grade and type - the principle in regards to shrinkage is the same.

                      It was hunting season, I had my dad donate some blood from one of his kills.

                      I guess it just kills you libs to know that someone is smarter than you. Just so you know, I'm really well off too - I hope that really makes you angry since jealousy seems to be a foundation of the modern day liberal philosophy. Haha, bring it on trolls, maybe we can find some sheep skin condoms to see if they'll fit on you when they shrink, lol.

                      • 1 vote
                      #4.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

                      Just curious, is there still an ongoing investigation into who really did the killing since OJ was found not guilty? It seems to me that even the cops still believe he is guilty otherwise they would still be looking for the killer!

                      • 3 votes
                      #4.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:30 PM EDT

                      Bubble,

                      I'd be fascinated to know what law school you attended, as law schools do not grade on a letter scale, but rather a percentage system. Furthermore, such "presentations" do not occur in law school, at least not presented by a student. Law schools use the particular method of Socratic teaching and neither the format nor the framework are welcoming of student "presentations."

                      • 2 votes
                      #4.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 3:28 PM EDT

                      Liberal You Exist...Bubble

                      You don't think anyone actually believes you about your 'test' do you.

                      You are SERIOUSLY delusional.

                      And leather is not the same, you have thin and thick leather, side and finished, split etc

                      Gloves can be made from every form from Lizard to Ostrich, to Calve, Pig and even the Deer you claimed to have used the blood of.

                      And you have money? Gee I am very impressed. That is nice.

                      I am a Democrat, and I will be more than happy to lay my Degrees alongside yours for comparison (I have 5 of them--with Honors)

                      Or how about my financial statement, be happy to compare that with yours as well.

                      Nobody who is truly as successful as you claim would post like you do. And nobody who has a law degree would make such illogical arguments or name call like you do.

                      We are all laughing at you...

                      People with a good deal of assets rarely discuss them, unless they are egomaniacs like Donald Trump

                      • 2 votes
                      #4.7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 5:02 PM EDT
                      Reply

                      I don't know by way of facts whether OJ was guilty or not. What I do know is that the government did not prove it and much of their evidence and procedure was so faulty that as a jury member I would have set him free on the basis of reasonable doubt.

                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:05 AM EDT
                      fukOJDeleted

                      The evedance was OVERWELMING

                      Can you spell retarded?

                      • 6 votes
                      #5.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:18 AM EDT
                      fukOJDeleted

                      What an a-hole you are. And for the record, I'm white. Do I think he was guilty? As much as I believe you are an a-hole!

                      • 4 votes
                      #5.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:14 AM EDT

                      At least he is educated, @!$%#.

                      • 2 votes
                      #5.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:15 AM EDT

                      I agree 100%, Culheath. The glove was inconsequential. The veteran investigators seriously mishandled crime scene evidence, then got caught lying about it under oath. I would have made the same decision the jurors made.

                      • 4 votes
                      #5.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 10:51 AM EDT

                      In all the comments , you are the only truthfull commentator here... And for Christopher Darden he for #1 is a gawd dam liar fighting for fame, he's no different from the republican haters in society.

                      • 2 votes
                      #5.7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:24 AM EDT

                      @fukoj -- Christopher Darden is a n----r too!

                        #5.8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:02 PM EDT
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                        The defense provided plenty of reasonable doubt that the police tampered with the evidence at the crime scene. The critical blood evidence was badly mishandled and provided many opportunities for police tampering. The star witness for the prosecution perjured himself on the witness stand. In our system, the jury was absolutely correct with the not guilty verdict. If anyone did not like this outcome, blame the prosecution for completely bungling the case.

                        • 9 votes
                        Reply#6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:53 AM EDT
                        fukOJDeleted
                        fukOJDeleted

                        fukOJ... Being a N I G G E R is a bad thing? And by the way, we're all outa Africa,.. read your science about human migrations. Therefore I think being called a N I G G E R by you is an honor. This is my way of telling you to @@@@ yourself.

                        • 4 votes
                        #6.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:06 AM EDT

                        fukOJ

                        No one cares about the word N I G G E R anymore. It's just way too cliche. Here's one that is funny, hip, and fits you to a tee:

                        You sir are a douche bag

                        • 8 votes
                        #6.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

                        Katlat oh please ignore the illeterate jackass. He's needed to be reported.

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.5 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:35 AM EDT

                        Sorry, Cynthia. I've just seen that word used way too many times in these posts and on the posts from yeaterday. I have to laugh at the people who use the word as an insult as they find way more meaning in it than anyone else. I don't know the race or cultural background of fukOJ, but douche bag is universal.

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.6 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:13 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        Smoke and mirrors. I thought OJ did a better acting job in Capricorn One.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#7 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:16 AM EDT

                        When the prosecution allowed OJ to put on rubber surgical gloves (the defense argument was that the gloves would prevent DNA transfer to the gloves Simpson had never worn) the case was lost for the state. Try it at home. Buy a nice pair of leather dress gloves, then put on a pair of rubber surgical gloves, now see if your fingers will easily slide into the gloves. Say what you want about the case, it was the smarter defense team that won that case.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#8 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:45 AM EDT
                        fukOJDeleted

                        Terry51025 you are educating some illeterate dope heads kudos to you.

                        • 4 votes
                        #8.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:43 AM EDT

                        why didn't the prosecution test the gloves for dna? seems silly not to.

                        • 3 votes
                        #8.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:52 AM EDT

                        Cynthia the term is ILLITERATE....Please learn to spell so people don't see that you are Illiterate

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:46 PM EDT
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                        Only 1 glove was found at the scene which proves my theory all along. Michael Jackson did it. HeeeeeHeeee.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#9 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:52 AM EDT
                        fukOJDeleted

                        They actually proved that O.J. Simpsons son did the deed. He came downstairs one morning and asked his father if he could borrow the Jeep and O.J. told him to "Axe his mother" and so he did. Several times outside the house.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#11 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 7:55 AM EDT
                        fukOJDeleted

                        For the Gander,

                        Funny one, dude! :-)

                        Actually, Simpson is one of the rare ones that could pronounce the simple, three-letter word: ask.

                          #11.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

                          Are you sure it's not axe? My gosh all this time I thought the word was pronounced axe not ask.....

                          • 1 vote
                          #11.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 1:55 PM EDT

                          fukOJ Here is an even better one for you

                          The term is They're...Not Their...Please learn English

                          • 1 vote
                          #11.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:44 PM EDT
                          fukOJDeleted
                          Reply

                          What is really wrong with our justice system is that OJ was sentenced to an excessive prison term because the white judge and prosecutor saw it as a way to avenge what they perceived to be an unfair verdict in his murder trial!

                          • 6 votes
                          Reply#12 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:13 AM EDT

                          Absolutely Jimmy. No one gets 30 years for armed robbery if they have no previous criminal record.

                          • 4 votes
                          #12.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:26 AM EDT
                          fukOJDeleted

                          Jimmy- you are correct...HOWEVER that egomaniac stupid a#s OJ brought it on himself. Instead of ducking out of sight and reflecting on his lucky circumstances he couldn't let go of his lifelong affinity to be around white people. He continued to date various white women after being charged with killing a white woman, partied with white people, and FOOLISHLY trusted that white scam artist in trying to retrieve his memorabalia from that Vegas hotel room- and in the end he got burned in the process. Now the 'white system' finally got his dumb a#s and he is rotting away in a Nevada prison- F##K HIM!!!...

                          • 1 vote
                          #12.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:06 PM EDT

                          fukOJ

                          Complaining about 'playing the race card' and at the same time Posting the N-Word over and over?

                          Do us all a favor fukOJ

                          Die..Soon

                          • 1 vote
                          #12.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:40 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          Could it not have been determined with DNA testing of the inside of the glove, whether or not OJ wore them? Why was this not done?

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#13 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:17 AM EDT

                          DNA testing wasn't that accurate back then.

                          jimmyjamz:

                          I agree.

                            #13.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:21 AM EDT
                            fukOJDeleted

                            fukOJ,

                            Oh quit already.

                            • 2 votes
                            #13.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:17 PM EDT
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                            Anybody recall OJ's encounter with a mugger in a parking lot?

                            The perp dropped the gun or something, and he lost his bid for immortality. What an Idiot.

                            The World would know your name, Sparky, if you'd merely winged him.

                            How ironic is it that OJ's sitting in the cement box the guy would have gone into, had he done so.

                            Meanwhile, history has a place for Christopher Scarver.

                              Reply#14 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:20 AM EDT

                              O.J. Simpson had three things in his favor: a star-struck publicity hound of a judge, a jury with an apparent average I.Q. of 90, and, most of all, Marcia Clark: a frantic, venal, and utterly incompetent prosecutor. No one NEEDED to tamper with the evidence.

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#15 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:27 AM EDT
                              fukOJDeleted

                              Articulate!

                              • 1 vote
                              #15.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:51 AM EDT
                              Reply

                              glad he is in jail where he belongs

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#16 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:46 AM EDT

                              There was all kinds of tampering that took place in that trial and it is over. OJ got away with murder twice and now they have him for armed robery. The charge should have been stupidity. The whole thing was an elaborate set up. OJ just happened to be in Vegas when the person he gave goods to that belonged to the Goldmans to sell for him, just happed to be in Vegas. And OJ just happened to get a tip that he was there selling the stuff that he told OJ was stolen from him.

                              And why was OJ in Vegas? To be a groomsman in a wedding. Now what woman wants OJ in her wedding, other than a woman whose fiancee told her he was helping to set up OJ. He said "baby this is the best wedding present I can give you".

                              Talk about your big black bass trophy on a hook. Caught Stuffed Mounted Done

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#17 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:51 AM EDT

                              The cronic fools has set him up due to his stupidity... He's in jail because that where his hunters want him even in the grave they will be after him then.

                                #17.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 11:57 AM EDT
                                fukOJDeleted

                                fukOJ,

                                See if you can form a sentence without the N word. Come on now, I bet you can do it if you applied your little pea-brain to it.

                                • 2 votes
                                #17.3 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 12:19 PM EDT

                                @fukOJ: And what is Christopher Darden?

                                  #17.4 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:05 PM EDT
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                                  The trial was hosed up throughout. One thing that I found to be a fiasco was the obviously phoney attempt to show that 2 DNA samples matched each other. There was no similarity whatsoever. They would arrange the 2 side-by-side samples so only one line on one sample lined up with only one line on the other sample, and claim that it showed that they matched, when no other lines even came close to lining up with each other. The ol' "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull$#!t".

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#18 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 8:59 AM EDT
                                  fukOJDeleted

                                  fukOJ

                                  You are a total pig,

                                  We don't need filth like you in this country...begone you racist piece of garbage.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #18.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

                                  Are there any white women in regular white person's hell to bro? Also, do I have to go to heaven to have access to the interracial option?

                                  I'm cracker and if I don't make it past the pearly gates, it would at least be comforting to know my sexual preference will be covered by the demographics available during conjugal hell visits as permitted by satan.

                                  When you go to hell, the next one that is, somehow it seems your cellmate for eternity might be ... o.j?

                                  He'll be gettin' all up inyoassn @!$%#cho : P

                                    #18.3 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:06 AM EDT

                                    Famous Mark Twain line... "Heaven for the Climate, Hell for the Company." Wherever fukOJ is heading I want the opposite, or perhaps OJ and fukOJ can share a common room, now a new definition for Hell.

                                      #18.4 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:54 PM EDT
                                      Reply

                                      "If it doesn't fit, that doesn't mean sh**." Leather shrinks when wet. Letting him wear surgical gloves made his hands larger and unable to slide into the gloves. Cochran didn't need to tamper with the evidence, he just outmaneuvered Darden on two counts.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      Reply#20 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:16 AM EDT

                                      As soon as I saw Simpson put on the rubber gloves, I knew the glove was not going to fit. What a side show but it worked. Ito should have stopped the circus act when Simpson put on the rubber gloves. Thankfully, his egotistical crimnial mind continued and he is exactly where he belongs.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      Reply#21 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

                                      As I'd recently cashed out of a biotech firm in Santa Clara, I got to watch the WHOLE trial, every single day it was broadcast (The Court TV logo was permanently burned into my 45-in Mitsubishi).

                                      Bottom line, the prosecution was too timid, the defense too astute, Furhman too racist, and the glove debacle sealed the deal.

                                      Skip the evidence completely- Occam's razor dictates that OJ committed the murders.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#22 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:32 AM EDT

                                      You know what's hilarious, idiots trying to pretend they're more than they are, while posting under anonymous names. Seriously loser, why try to puff out your chest when everyone could care less, it's not like anyone will know who you are so people's perception of you being a world class loser doesn't actually change.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #22.1 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

                                      Ah, you're reading this on an employer's computer. Sorry.

                                        #22.2 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:45 AM EDT
                                        Reply

                                        We were subjected to this news media circus once. Are we going to have a replay.

                                        If so, I think I'll drown myself.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#23 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:33 AM EDT

                                        It has always been my theory that, for reasons I will leave to the imagination, Los Angeles authorities were terrified that O.J. would be convicted and chose Marcia Clark as lead prosecutor because of her manifest incompetence.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#24 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

                                        WEll of course, a bloody glove made of leather would have shrunk as well--leather does shrink when it gets wet. Also, funny no one made much of the cut on OJ's hands. Anyone who owns a spyderco lockblade knife knows that when you grip it too tightly, it will release the blade, giving you a cut in exactly the same place on the outside of your middle finger. I have always written that lack of obsesrvation off to a bunch of left cost liberals who have never owned a lock blade knife!

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#25 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:39 AM EDT
                                        fukOJDeleted

                                        maybe, fukOJ, but your a registered child molester so what's your point loser?

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #25.2 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 3:59 PM EDT

                                        No, he's a racist bigot, ....how would you know he was a child molester unless you were there...? Having done nothing in that case makes you eligible for the sandusky enabler award.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #25.3 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:53 AM EDT

                                        (Chuckles). Good one.

                                          #25.4 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:48 AM EDT
                                          Reply

                                          The tampering claim is BS and an unfair attack on Johnny Cochran, who can't even defend himself because, he is deceased. The glove did not fit because, OJ have chronic arthritis, which made his hands swelled up and OJ was also wearing rubber gloves, which took up more space and the rubber also sticks to leather. Chalk it up to inept prosecutors for OJ walking.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#26 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

                                          Who cares!! Nevada gave him more time for that robbery then the liberals in california would of given him for murder! Anybody else would of gotten off alot easier. Justice is served!

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#27 - Sun Sep 9, 2012 9:49 AM EDT
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