Thousands gathered Tuesday in New York, suburban Washington and rural Pennsylvania to mark the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. NBC's Ron Allen reports.
Thousands gathered Tuesday in New York, suburban Washington and rural Pennsylvania to mark the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, but at the somber day's biggest venue, Ground Zero in lower Manhattan, this year's observance was missing a key feature from years past: politicians' voices.
In a reminder of the global consequences of the attacks, in which nearly 3,000 people were killed by airliners hijacked by Islamist militants, commemorations also were being held abroad. At the Kaia airport in the Afghan capital Kabul, soldiers with the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force prayed during a memorial ceremony for the Sept. 11 victims.
The United States and its allies launched the invasion of Afghanistan to oust al-Qaida and its Taliban protectors in retaliation for the 2001 attacks. Nearly eleven years later, troops are still fighting there in what has become America's longest war.
President Barack Obama has pledged to end the main U.S. combat role in Afghanistan by the end of 2014, but current plans call for some thousands of U.S. troops to remain long after that to train Afghans and hunt terrorists. Since 2001, more than 2,000 American troops have been killed in Afghanistan.
In search of 'more intimate' commemorations
In previous years, politicians including presidents, state governors and New York City mayors have participated in the reading of the names, or have read from the Bible or recited passages from literature, at Ground Zero commemoration ceremonies.
PhotoBlog:360-degree-view of National 9/11 Memorial at dusk
The nation pauses in honor of the spirit and sacrifice made by the victims of the September 11th attacks in ceremonies at Ground Zero, Shanksville and the Pentagon. NBC's Danielle Leigh reports.
This year, only the families of the more than 2,750 who were killed when militant Islamist hijackers crashed two jetliners into the World Trade Center's Twin Towers, causing their collapse, appeared on the podium to read their names.
To Charles G. Wolf, it's a fitting transition.
"We've gone past that deep, collective public grief," says Wolf, whose wife, Katherine, was killed at the trade center. "And the fact that the politicians will not be involved, to me, makes it more intimate, for the families. ... That's the way that it can be now."
Fewer families attended the ceremonies this year, and some cities canceled their remembrances altogether.
The president and first lady observe a moment of silence on the White House font lawn in honor of the September 11 attacks.
"I feel much more relaxed" this year, said Jane Pollicino, who came to Ground Zero Tuesday morning to remember her husband, who was killed at the trade center. "After the ninth anniversary, that next day, you started building up to the 10th year. This feels a lot different, in that regard. It's another anniversary that we can commemorate in a calmer way, without that 10-year pressure."
Politicians still attended, but under event rules set down in July by the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, chaired by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, none was to speak or participate in the reading of names.
The point, memorial President Joe Daniels said, was "honoring the victims and their families in a way free of politics" in an election year.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was among the officials attending the New York ceremony this year.
From NBC 4 New York: Agreement reached on Sept. 11 museum
Political friction
But others said keeping politicians off the rostrum smacked of ... politics.
The move came amid friction between the memorial foundation and the governors of New York and New Jersey over financing for the museum — friction that abruptly subsided Monday, when Bloomberg and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced an agreement that paves the way for finishing the $700 million project "as soon as practicable."
Before the deal, Cuomo, a Democrat, and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a Republican, had signaled their displeasure by calling on federal officials to give the memorial a financial and technical hand. Some victims' relatives saw the no-politicians anniversary ceremony as retaliation.
"Banning the governors of New York and New Jersey from speaking is the ultimate political decision," said one relatives' group, led by retired Deputy Fire Chief Jim Riches. His firefighter son and namesake was killed responding to the burning World Trade Center.
Spokesmen for Christie and Cuomo said the governors were fine with the memorial organizers' decision.
The restrictions will not extend to politicians at the other remembrances.

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Soldiers with the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force pray at Kaia airport, Kabul, Afghanistan, during an 11th anniversary memorial ceremony for those who perished in the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.
At the Pentagon outside of Washington, where more than 180 were killed when a hijacked plane was flown into it, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta spoke in a ceremony that was closed to the public, attended only by victims' families.
Also speaking to the victims’ families, President Barack Obama said that the Sept. 11 victims would be remembered "no matter how many years pass.”
Obama said that the whole country shares their loss.
US adds cancer to list of illnesses linked to 9/11 terror attacks
"Eleven times we have paused in remembrance and reflection, in unity and in purpose," Obama said. "This is never an easy day, but it is especially difficult for all of you, the families of nearly 3,000 innocents who lost their lives."
"But no matter how many years pass, no matter how many times we come together on this hallowed ground, know this: That you will never be alone, your loved ones will never be forgotten. They will endure in the hearts of our nation because through their sacrifice they helped us make the America we are today, an America that has emerged even stronger."
Earlier, the president and first lady Michelle Obama observed the anniversary in a ceremony on the White House's south lawn, and then laid a white floral wreath at the Pentagon, above a concrete slab that said "Sept. 11, 2001 — 9:37 a.m."
Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar delivered remarks in Shanksville, Pa., where 40 passengers aboard United Flight 93 were killed when that plane crashed as they revolted against their hijackers.
The names of 40 crew members and passengers aboard the plane were read beginning at 10:03, the time of the crash, by victims' families and local volunteers who assisted in the aftermath of the attacks. A bell was rung for each of the 40 victims, and a wreath was laid at the Wall of Names honoring the dead.
"How we handle the legacy of these 40 people and what they did, what they kept from happening, is really more of a statement about ourselves, about what we value as a society," said Patrick White, current president of Families of Flight 93. White's cousin, Joey Nacke II, was among the passengers who stormed the cockpit.
U.S. authorities say the al-Qaida hijackers planned to crash that plane into the U.S. Capitol in Washington.
The anniversary led to a brief pause in the presidential campaign as Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney pulled their negative ads and avoided campaign rallies. Romney shook hands with firefighters at Chicago's O'Hare Airport and was flying to Nevada to address the National Guard, whose members deployed after the attacks. His running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, had no scheduled public events.
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Ultimately they lost. Ultimately, they blasphemed Islam. Ultimately, the world saw them for the barbarians they were. Ultimately, America stood tall and prevailed. And we always will.
Rest in Peace....Jeff and Tom you are truly missed...
At the RNC a couple of weeks ago, Jeb Bush looked into the camera and told America that his brother kept America safe. I guess 09/11/2001 must have slipped his mind or politicking was more important than being real.
Today, my heart goes out to all Americans, and I hope we continue to heal our wounds, forgive our transgressors and grow stronger and become a better country.
Well since you always want to bring politics into it, it seems you sentiments are phoney and self serving.
A day of remembrance?
Yes, I can't help remembering how they conducted scheduled war games that day and presiding Bush was reading kiddie books to toddlers. What are the odds?
Nonetheless may they all rest in peace.
Yeah and I can remember how how Empress Michelle commented at last year's ceremony "All this for a damn flag."
America remembers?
BULL SNIT!
What part of Islam you just don't understand!
I wish they had put the same exact buildings up just like nothing had ever happened. A kind of "in your face" gesture. They could have found room for a memorial somewhere else
That is what the Israelis do. They do not create memorials and lavish remembrance ceremonies. They just cleanup, go on, and get the perpetrators.
If you investigate further you might find that Israel is the problem.
That and dancing in the street watching the towers burn.
I am still bitter on this day.As we look at our modern America one thing is clear.Our immigration policy is woefully outdated.This land IS so great because we all came from somewhere else and added to this nation,or our ancestors paved our way.But that is not the case now.People come here looking for freedom they can't find anywhere else[alll of the west,in fact].But they come here now knowing that the way is paved on the taxpayers back.Sorry if it hurts,but there should've been comprehensive change to our policy following WWII.The world polulation,and the US population has DOUBLED in that time.HAD there been the necessary change,we never would've had people who could come here to my,our country and take flying lessons as those demons did.NO to the immigration policy of the past,no to anchor babies,and no to changing this nation more for absorbing the refugees of the world.[don't bring up Native Americans] The days of 'tired ,poor, huddled masses is over,swept away by the reality of an overfecund third world
Our country kills many more innocents "legally" every day through abortion. Why don't we recognize this sad truth.
I am against abortion on demand but how about give it a rest Ok?
Tell the innocents that you want to "give it a rest".
What is the difference between your opinions and Sharia Law, nothing - they both deny freedom of choice.
Here we go again, the yearly reminder of how scared we need to be, how warlike we need to be, what a load of crap.
I see this BS going on and I think how much money has been made from 9/11, and I think about the hundreds of thousands of civilians we killed over seas.
The official story is utter hogwash, there has been no proof ever put forth that bin Laden ordered the attacks....how can 4 guys fly for the first time in a single engine plane, have a few lessons, and then get into the cockpit of a 757 class airliner, fly it all over the northeast unhindered, and aim it directly into a building at speeds incapable by the type of plane they claimed it was?
Anyone who has ever looked passed the limited info on the mainstream media can see the the holes in the official story. I think the best info is with a group called Pilots for 9/11 truth. When you have military and commercial pilots explain that the official story about the planes is impossible, it makes you start to think. That's what more Americans need to do these days.
Yeah truly amazing how CNN, ABC and CBS caught those non-existent planes on video. Missing the meds are you?
Videos of planes prove nothing. Prove it was Bin Laden's men flying those planes. Explain the white plane filmed by CNN flying over Washington at the same time. Explain why the Bin Laden family were flown out of the country without ever being questioned by law enforcement. Explain the lack of plane debris in PA and the Pentagon. Explain all the put options put on the airlines the day before 9/11. Explain why FEMA suburban search and resue member Tom Kenney admitted to getting in NYC the night before the attacks in an interview with Dan Rather. Explain why over 95% of the WTC debris was shipped off to China to be melted down without ever being investigated by bomb squads. Explain why NO investigation was ever allowed at ground zero. Explain why witnesses who reported explosions in building 7 were mysteriously killed.
I'm just saying....the only evidence of the official story is the news film of the attacks. That is not evidence. There is more evidence against the official story than in support of it. I think Americans deserve the truth and I just want answers and proof.
proudamericanvet - if you rely on what news video fed you that day, why aren't you questioning why so many on those videos talked about explosions, why people coming out of WTC 7 talked of explosions, why the lobby of WTCs 1&2 looked like explosions had gone off in them, why firefighters talked of explosions that day, why there were news conferences where it was discussed that men were arrested in a moving truck filled with explosives at the GWB but that was never discussed again? The news actually showed a lot that day that should lead to questions that have never been answered and in most cases, even asked.
Jack-4618876: How about this: Go buy a Airbus A318 Elite fly it up to 10,000 feet, look for a big open field and aim right for it with the engine power at MAX. When you hit the ground going over 500 mph, there will be nothing left of you or your Airbus A318 Elite. Try it then you would understand WHY lack of plane debris in PA and the Pentagon.
sleepinsadiehttp go to ://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-planes
@proudamericanvereran i suggest you find and watch the documentary In Plane Site.
jack, every bin laden in america was contacted by the FBI in 1996....at the order of president clinton.
when usama bin laden declared war on americans in 1996. the fbi found every bin laden in america and asked them what they were doing here...and if they supported usama and his war on americans.
when 9/11 happened....the fbi told the bin ladens they should leave because they could not protect them from reprisals.....and they left.
where is the conspiracy in this ?
@angrywhitemale.
You are right. It was a vast conspiracy. Especially how they sneaked in the plane parts (David Copperfield is actually a CIA employee), Everyone was in on it except you and you five friends who unraveled it all by evidence you found on the internet.
The Illumanati planned this decades ago when they had explosives install in the WTC during construction. They had hypnotists on each plane so the passengers would think they were seeing terrorists. Of course the RNC bribed the airlines to sacrifice their own aircraft for this cover-up and no victims in the aircraft were really killed. They were transported on special government planes to Guantanamo where they are held to day. Except of course those few who were executed in South Africa under the guise of a miner's strike.
Stop partying with Charlie Sheen and get some therapy.
Dude, please don't make me go into that a Bush family member was a high ranking member at Popular Mechanics. The PA site is basically the only 'plane crash' of a large commercial plane that had no debris or human remains...and please look into there being additional plane wreckage 6 miles from the field in PA...don't know about you, but if a plane crashes in a field and there is wreckage 6 miles away, I'd question the story of it crashing in a field.
Don't forget the Financial angle.
Why in the weeks prior to 911 di a small undisclosed group of investers bet heavily by shorting stocks against American and United?
The dollar value jumped up over 4400% the weeks prior.
Explain that?
I think it was a great move to allow no politicians to be involved. Don't allow them any free air time or paint them as patriots reading at the memorial. This is a somber moment that affects all Americans alike and should be empty of politics.
I help it won't be any riots of sorts when the real truth comes out about 911 here is the story for all you sleep sheep.
Many powerful groups have tried to stop the announcement and implementation of the NESARA law. 18 months after NESARA became law, the Justices had the current Congress pass resolutions “approving” NESARA on September 9, 2001.
On September 10, 2001 George Bush Sr. moved into the White house to steer his son on how to block the announcement.
The next day NESARA was set to be announced at 10 a.m. EDT on September 11, 2001.
9/11 Attacks
Groups opposing NESARA arranged for the attacks to occur on 9/11 to keep NESARA from being announced.
Just before the announcement, Bush Snr. ordered the demolition of World Trade Center to stop the international banking computers on floors one and two, in the North Tower from initiating the new U.S. Treasury Bank system.
George Bush Snr decapitated any hopes of returning this government back to the people. Despite the fact the Bush family was to be paid off $300 trillion dollars to cooperate with NESARA, they choose instead to maintain control over us.
Ultimately in the end the Bush’s will end up with nothing.
Without a gold backed treasury system our country is headed to economic collapse, and eventual civil war.
Logistics of 9/11
We are all familiar with the official story of September 11th: Four jetliners where hijacked by groups of four and five Arabic men armed with box cutters, who flew three of the four jets into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. The World Trade Center weakened by the fires collapsed into piles of rubble. Later that afternoon, the 47 story Building 7, collapsed due to fire (a fact which most people are unaware of).
The FBI had compiled a list of hijackers within three days, and so it was obvious that Osama bin Laden had masterminded 9/11 from caves in Afghanistan. With that in mind there was no need to seriously investigate 9/11. The problem is when one investigates the conflicts of interest and red flags we find a long series of improbable coincidences.
It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble a jet fighter whenever an airliner goes off course or radio contact is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors where scrambled 67 times. In 2000 jets where scrambled 129 times. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of all deviations. NORAD is responsible for monitoring, air and space traffic continuously, and is prepared to act immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force and other armed services in pursuit of airliners in trouble.
With this in mind what would cause the massive breakdown in the chain of command?
According to the Pentagon, NORAD was conducting a mock terrorist drill on 9/11, this is why they where unable to scramble jets in time. This seems to conflict with Secretary of Transportation, Norman Mineta’s testimony before the 9-11 Commission. He reports that at the time of the attacks both Dick Cheney and himself was in the Presidential Emergency Operations Command Center. Norman recalled an officer coming in every few minutes to question the Vice President if NORAD should continue to stand down and not shoot the airplanes out of the sky.
“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??”
The airplanes which flew into the twin towers where military aircraft as no normal 747 could maneuver the way they did. Remember the hijackers nearly flunked out of flight school, how are they able to maneuver an airplane in such a way even expert pilots could not. These planes were most likely flow using autopilot because all 5 planes had their black box in flight recorders turned off at the same time. The recorder is turned off when the Airborne Warning and Control System takes over the craft.
The Planes where controlled using the U.S. Air Force’s “QRS11 Triaxial Remote Guidance System” called “JPALS.” Essentially it’s a “gyro on a chip.” It uses GPS satellite technology and electronics implanted in the Boeing aircraft allowing them to be controlled remotely.
The truth is the September 11th attacks where carried out using remote processes. It was planned out by a CIA unit of 100 people (Aquarius?) in August of 2001. This group carried out the attacks and staged the so-called cell phone calls purported to be from passengers on the commercial airlines by using voice impersonation technology and other remote technologies. This same CIA group also created the conspiracy story of 19 Arab hijackers, many of whom where either dead or in jail in the middle east.
As for the airline passengers on 9/11, they where probably gassed aboard their plane and then sent to either the Amtrak facility in Kansas City, Kansas or the FEMA crematorium in Terra Haute, ID to be incinerated.
Explosions in WTC
The official NIST’s (National Institute of Standards and Technology) investigation is often cited as proving the theory that planes and fires caused the collapses. Yet the report fails to mention how the buildings could collapse due to fire without a historical precedent of any steel framed skyscraper collapsing other than a controlled demolition. In the entire report only two sentences in a half page section gives us hints as to what really happened. This troublesome issue is avoided by placing them outside the scope of its investigation, claiming that “global collapse” was “inevitable” after the “initiation of collapse.”
A striking distinction of the World Trade Center collapse was the pulverization of the concrete into dust and gravel before it hit the ground. This can been seen in videos which show the towers mushrooming into vast clouds as they fall, leaving only twisted pieces of steel and no large pieces of concrete. While the building is collapsing you can see puffs of smoke exploding each floor out in a timed demolition. These puffs of smoke are called Sprites; which explode outward 10 to 15 floors below the rubble as the building collapses. This would suggest the detonators where on a timed circuit set to go off in a controlled manner. This also explains why the building collapsed in a free fall. An unobstructed freefall using Newtonian physics would be 6 seconds. Logic would dictate as the building collapsed the floors below it would reduce the speed, however the World trade center collapsed in 7 seconds. All of this make s sense especially when you consider the testimony from the firefighters. They reported hearing bombs going off but the media ignored their testimony. Even Columbia Observatory recorded minute explosions on their seismograph, moments prior to the collapse.
William Rodriguez who worked as a janitor reported hearing explosions in the basement just moments prior to the airplane colliding into the world trade center. Hilary Clinton promised him a high position in her government if he remained silent about this. Instead he refused, even today the media continue to ignore and distort his testimony.
Prior to 9/11, no steel building had ever collapsed due to fire. There is no way Jet fuel could burn hot enough to melt the steel in the WTC, this is because steel melts at 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit, and Jet fuel burns at 1,800. Even if the beams buckled it wouldn’t cause them to melt with the fire proofing protection. The truth is the fire burned around 700 degrees and was about to extinguish itself. This can be confirmed by the black smoke which occurs in an oxygen deprived fire. There is no way the fires could have burned as hot as the government claims especially when the videos show people sitting at the edge of the impact hole waiting to be rescued.
boy, i would love to run into one of you truther guys face to face.
The truth is frightening, but why would anyone not want to know the truth? You can't build on a lie. We have been building this country on lies for 11 yrs. How much longer can it continue?
where do you live keck, i travel quite frequently...i'd even buy the first round.
Furthermore, Steven Jones, professor of physics at Brigham Young University found that the rubble had evidence of evaporated steel, and thermite which is used in controlled demolitions. In order for steel to evaporate it would require temperatures in excess of 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Even three weeks after the world trade collapsed their where still areas of rubble which where so hot fire fighters could not go near it. Maybe this explains why the government was so eager to ship all the “evidence”, I mean ruble to China and South Korea. This was crime scene, and by removing the evidence the government violated crime scene laws. Oddly enough the company which was given the task to do this was none other than “Controlled Demolition Inc.” Its funny thing you know with all this “heat.” How come the terrorist’s passports which linked Al-Qaeda to the attacks failed to burn in the inferno as claimed by the government?
So now the question is how did those explosives get into the building without anyone noticing it? On the weekend of 9/8 and 9/9 there was a ‘power down’ condition in the south tower. For 36 hours there was no electrical supply from the 50th floor and up. This would mean there would be no security cameras, security locks on doors. Maintenance workers reported seeing ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the building, and the sound of heavy objects moving around on floors which where supposed to be unoccupied. Even more red flags are raised when one considers the fact that bomb sniffing dogs patrols where halted on September 6, 2001. So who allowed this to happen?
Securacom (later renamed Stratesec ) was responsible for the security of the WTC complex. Marvin Bush, G.W’s brother was on the board of directors. Isn’t it odd that he has never been investigated especially considering Securacom was also in charge of security for United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport, the same place where the reported hijackers boarded there planes.
Building 7
Building 7 was the third building to collapse on 9/11 according to the government fires leveled the building. The only problem with this is, fires have never leveled a steel skyscraper before. The team that investigated the collapse was kept away from the crime scene; by the time their report was published in May 2002 the evidence had been destroyed.
Building 7 had a number of fires of limited extent and unknown duration before the total collapse at 5:20 PM. Official reports assume the debris from the North Tower ignited the fire at 10:29 A.M. FEMA’s report blamed the collapse primarily on fires, though it was inconclusive. NIST suggested it was cause by severe structural damage. However other skyscraper fires exhibited more extensive burns and longer lasting than Building 7, but none of these other buildings collapsed.
From the video evidence, it is clear building 7 collapsed in a controlled demolition type manner. Even the owner of the WTC complex, Larry Silverstein admitted to this fact in 2002 on PBS,
“I remember getting a call from the…fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. And I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull-it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”
Pulling is a term used in controlled demolitions. Now it takes weeks of planning and installation of detonators for a successful controlled demolition. How could all these detonators be conveniently in place unless Silverstein had foreknowledge the attacks would occur? Perhaps this explains why he bought a 99 year insurance policy worth $7 billion months prior to the attack. The truth is the world trade center was loaded with asbestos. It would have cost much more than $7 billion to take the building apart piece by piece to remove the stuff. So not only is it cheaper to do a controlled demolition Larry Silverstein made money from it too!
Buildings which where much closer to the World Trade center sustained more damaged yet did not collapse due to fire. So how is it that Building 7 which was two buildings away from the North Tower, developed these fires when it wasn’t hit with a plane. Maybe this can be answered when we look at who has the most to gain from the destruction of this building.
The following are the prime suspects in the 9/11 collapse.
In WTC 7, the SEC was storing thousands of files related to pending Wall Street investigations on companies such as Enron and Worldcom. Conveniently these document where destroyed when the building collapsed. Other tenants in WTC7, include the IRS, CIA, Secret Service, FBI, and Department of Defense. Building Seven also served as the command center for the security of the entire WTC complex, which was headed by the President’s brother, Marvin Bush, whose contract ended “coincidentally” on 9/11. It was also host to then Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management command center. This was built on the 23rd floor, in 1998 as a “bunker” for emergences such as 9/11. It had bullet and bomb-resistant windows, its own water and air supply, the ability to withstand 160 mph winds, and a full commanding view of the entire WTC complex. Interestingly, on 9/11 Giuliani didn’t bother to put the center to use, even though that’s what it was built for. He decided instead, to set up a makeshift command center down the street.
Isn’t it strange that the official 9/11 commission report, choose to omit any reference to building seven. What else are they hiding from us?
What happened to the debris from flight 93 in Pennsylvania? It was mysteriously missing, with the only evidence left, a 15 foot hole in the ground. The truth is flight 93 was intended to hit Camp David. If you go to YouTube you can hear the actual sound bites from the new networks which announce flight 93 hit Camp David. Seriously folks, 9/11 was totally scripted that day. Camp David was targeted by our government because it was the anniversary of the “Camp David accords.” Which was the 1978 Israeli-Egypt peace treaty, (Israel is actually a state within the United States so it’s really the US-Egypt peace treaty.) By blaming the Muslims it would have given our government another excuse to bomb the Middle East.
Why was their no investigation in the put options on American Airlines stock? Why was members of the bin laden family flown out of the country on 9/11 when all other planes where grounded? Where did the missing $700 million dollar stash of gold stored under the WTC complex disappear too? The questions go on and on. The government will not answer them because they are at fault. The whores in the media will not tell us the truth, as many of the major news networks have been paid off to lie to the American people. Its all about the money!
Pentagon
There is no way a 124 foot wide Boeing 757 airplane could fit into a hole 15-18 feet wide. So what hit the pentagon if it wasn’t a passenger airplane? Unfortunately the government confiscated most evidence covering up what happened. After the impact, pentagon officials confiscated 80 video cameras which where focused on the pentagon, and eyewitnesses had to sign nondisclosure agreements. To date only one of these videos has been released and this video is only 4 frames. All we can conclude from the video is a blurry metal bogey of some sort hit the pentagon. It is safe to rule out a 757, because such a large aircraft flying at 450 mph would literally be torn apart from turbulence created while flying under 60 feet in altitude.
The truth is Bush ordered the destruction of the Pentagon building to prevent this country from returning back to constitutional law. Remote pilot technology was used to fly a small white private plane loaded with explosives into the Pentagon at the exact location of the White Knights in their new Naval Communications Center. At the time they where coordinating activities supporting NESARA’s implementation nationwide.
Al-Qaeda
Every time Bush says we are in a war against terrorism, the terrorists they are referring to are not Al-Qaeda, THE TERRORISTS ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! Patriot Acts I and II will eventually take away basic constitutional liberties such as a trial by jury and search warrants. Further more anyone who tries to cash their refund from the NESARA trust funds are arrested under the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Gestapo. When one takes a closer look at the secret memos and executive orders the intent of the elite is clear. We are now living in a police state just like our Nazi leaders have always planned for us.
“He who trades liberty for security, deserves neither and will loose both.” – Thomas Jefferson
The Bush family and the Bin Laden family are in fact best friends. They where both business partners in Saudi Oil and members of the Carlye Group. According to Patrick Bellringer, the Bush family was protecting Bin Laden. He checked into the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN prior to September 11, 2001 seeking medical treatment for his kidney problems. The hospital gave him and his family a floor unto themselves for privacy. He later died on December 26, 2001 from kidney (renal) failure and lung complication. The big lie by the US government is to keep the people believing there are terrorists out there to get us. It’s hard to have a War on Terrorism, if there are no terrorists! Furthermore the media refuse to investigate how a dying man can survive on a dialysis machine in remote Pakistani caves for over six years.
When you analyze the video footage, the seismic data, and eyewitness accounts the government’s conspiracy theory just does not make sense. This fictional story has given Bush an excuse to send the U.S. Military to Afghanistan, Iraq, and create Patriot Act I and II. Now you know why on 9/11, Bush Jr. sat in a classroom reading a children’s book about a pet goat for seven minutes, as if this epic cosmic tragedy was no big deal.
Now our country remains at war and the media covers up the amount of body bags coming out of Iraq. Nor do they report the real death totals on 9/11. The actual death count is 30,700. No one questions the insanely small numbers given out by the government because New York City is a large place; people who have lost loved ones do not make contact with others who have died in 9/11. So they have no way of knowing how many truly died, especially when their government lies to them.
very good info...thanks for being a diligent and responsible citizen.
so many people got "Rich" off the death and destruction of this horrible crime.
RFLOL
http://www.motorsportsartist.com/911truthiness/?p=76
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
OPPS been debunked already Truthers....
I still remember exactly the way, the day looked, on that day. Clear blue skies, and I was on my way to work. I will never forget those lost and the toll it took on all involved. I only pray that each day is easier for the families that lost loved ones, on that day. God Bless you all!!
I know that I'm going to be in the minority here,but I'm embarrassed that after 11 years we have spent billions of dollars at Ground Zero and it's still not complete. I think that all of that money was a waste. There are first responders...actually,anyone who was affected by these attacks... that are in deperate need of all kinds of help. This money should have been spent on them. These people are suffering/dying of cancer and we're erecting monuments. Many of them don't have health insurance. Surely this is far more important than a building and all that's been built there. I think that it's shameful!
Yep...and as time goes on, and the 9/11 becomes more "personal" to the families the general public will forget. But..I thought the slogan was "Never forget" 2014 ha ha. Very funny. US out of Afgooyland, Americans are so blind.
I got up early for monthly visit to client in
Wilmington, DE. The Belt Parkway has an accident and is tied up. I am cursing
up a storm listening to radio alternating between WNYC’s Morning Edition and
WFAN’s IMUS in the Morning.
Warner Wolf, a local TV sports guy who does some radio, calls into his show
after a news report of airplane accident. He lives in Battery Park City
apartments across from the World Trade Center and describes what he heard and
is seeing. I think it is a BS bit.
Finally get to the Verranzano Bridge and cross it. The first tower is clearly
burning from the bridge. Radio stations start to disappear. Imus is still on.
Now accident reports are turning into attack reports. Warner Wolf is still
giving the commentary on what he sees and hears. Imus reports President Bush is
in a grammar school down in FL reading to children.
As I get to the Outterbridge Crossing into NJ, the second tower has been hit
and reports of the attack on America are starting. Imus has complete coverage
as well as the commentary of Wolf. It is
pandemonium at the first rest area of New Jersey Turnpike (NJT) heading south.
People are running around like chickens with no heads screaming we’re under
attack. I use my cell phone to call my office and home. I tell my employer who
has given the go home order and leave message for my family (wife and four
children, 15, 13, 12 and 10) I am going to work; and, these dirt bags whoever
they are, are not going to scare me into running home and hiding. Last time the
cell phone works.
Find a land line at rest area pay phones and call DE. I tell my client where I
am and ask if he will be there when I get there. He tells me if I am coming, he
will be there.
Make the lonely trek to Wilmington DE listening to Imus and the further accounts
of the Pentagon and PA attacks. The coverage is breathtaking and solemn. Warner
Wolf’s depiction of what going on is reminiscent of a radio era long gone;
like, listening to Red Barber or Vin Scully paint the picture of a ball game or
Murrow’s reports on WWII.. Hear about the airports closing, airspace shutdown, Mayor
Guliani has called off primary elections, UN General Assembly cancelled for
emergency meeting, Logan is source of flights, President is airborne, Air Force
is mobilized, Congress and the VP have run for the safety of underground …
All I see are emergency vehicles making a steady stream to NY. I get to DE.
Wilmington is a ghost town. Red Cross is at the city’s gate along with
military.
Get to building which houses federal court for Bankruptcy and is across from
the Federal building of DE. Get to client’s floor, discuss the unimaginable
site I saw from the bridge and get to work. He is on 9th floor and I can see
from the windows in conference room some the rooftop armed positions taken up
by federal and military personnel. It is surreal.
Went to lunch at
Cavanaughs and watched the TV from bar as I tried to eat my usual Caribbean
Chicken sandwich. Had to leave after the umpteenth showing of the building
collapses. The pictures of the dust covered pedestrians and emergency personnel
was heart wrenching.
Finish compilation of monthly periodic report
for client, sign and date it with “God Bless America” under the independent
accountant’s report signature.
Give client and his remaining staff a big handshake and hug for standing their
ground in what will become this generation’s “Day of Infamy” and start the
lonely trek home.
All access to NY is shutdown for emergency. Get off NJ Turnpike exit to
Outterbridge Crossing thinking I can back door it in only to find out it is
closed all the way to NY. Talk to a NJ trooper and explain my dilemma. He asks
if I know the Garden State Parkway (GSP); and, where it intersects to upstate
NY. I do, he suggests that route as it will get me “closer” than I am now.
Hit the NJT heading toward GSP exit and stop at rest area. People are stranded
all over asking how to get to or through NY. I walk to the big map with a few
and quickly draw a crowd. I show them the route from the NJT to the GSP to
Route 17 to the NY Thruway. Some ask if they can follow, I say sure. Start a
caravan and finish the route. We stay to the right at about 40 mph to allow the
stream of emergency vehicles heading to NYC to bypass without incident. Most go
separate ways once we hit the Yonkers area at the Cross County Parkway which I
take to the Hutchinson River Parkway to the Whitestone Bridge which is closed.
There is a NYC cop at toll booth. He waves me to a stop; and, asks what the
hell I am doing. I give him the events of my day, show him my driver license to
verify my home address and show him my client’s financial statement which I had
compiled earlier. He sees that the work I do is for the United States
Department of Justice by the wording of the report and asks what I do.
I tell him about my day and now all I got to do is get home to complete the
day.
He moves the barrier, says something about the bridge will reopen shortly; and,
be careful of emergency vehicles, stay on the Cross Island Parkway to the
Southern State Parkway and then get off your exit.
I can see a steady flow of the emergency vehicles at or around the exits for
Long Island Expressway and Grand Central Parkway.
Pull into my driveway to be greeted by my loved ones. Fear is evident.
We sit and talk the night away with WCBS TV on in background which was only
station working at the time. We talk about their fears and the philosophy of
life and what terrorism is and why one never backs down from a bully and should
stand toe to toe with him and knock him out.
That night and the next morning we start to hear about the 44 residents of our
village of 25,000, most moms or dads, who did not come home. All were better
folk than I.
Now through the years I have watched
their sons and daughters grow, their surviving spouses struggle, driven the
streets renamed for them and watched the athletic events at the playing fields
named in their honor; but, nothing is the same, nothing is better, nothing is
over – it is something that will last a lifetime of those who remain and were
affected.
I watched the children of the village
grow into young men and women graduate high school and enlist or join the
services after college graduation. They
still remember, some of them lost a mom or dad.
Have them over for a few beers before they go and when they come back on
leave. Least I can do.
Additionally we have sent our finest
along with those of our allies to attempt to get the bad guys and prevent this
from occurring again, yet it happens again in foreign lands against our people,
those of our allies and the homelanders where the terror strikes.
We are in a new age and it aint the “Age of Aquarius”. If all Islam, Judaism
and Christianity emanated from Abraham I reckon he would want a do-over at this
point. If we could replace the hatred with tolerance and provide the hungry
with food, the homeless with shelter and the parentless with love, we all be
better off, but heck that might be too religious!
A little tolerance would go a long way and so would some integrity in doing the
right thing.
Too many have died before, too many have died now and too many will die in the
days to come.
God bless their souls and remaining families; as well as, the others and those
who have perished in the fight against terrorism.
On this day, I will just quietly reflect on the events that transpired 11 years ago. I will remember the victims. I will thank those that made sacrifices that still continue today. I will be grateful that I am an American.
No politics. No partisanship. No rancor. Not on this day. Just quiet reflection and remembrance.
Wow! A sane human being. You are an endangered species in this country Thank you for sharing your sentiments.
Fortunately, the NYPD arrested the group of Israelis close to the George Washington Bridge with the van full of explosives. The tragedy would have been bigger if they had been allowed to succeed. Unfortunately, those people were allowed to leave the country along with the demolition company in New Jersey for political reasons.
On this day, 11 yrs later, I am wrestling with my emotion's. My heart aches one second followed by intense anger the next.If you feel you have grown cold to the feelings of that day google 9/11 jumpers and watch the video. Those who continue to claim conspiracy are dillusional. Those who feel we are safer today than we were on that day are also dillusional. This war, unlike all others, will never be over. Our history is our guide. As each war has been declared over, the start of the next one has begun. The Revolutionary War lead to the War of 1812. After WW I President Wilson signed a treaty and created the League of Nation's. It failed and lead to WW II. We signed a treaty with the Soviet's, created Israel and the UN, which lead to the cold war, Middle East hatred and the Korean "conflict". We signed a cease fire and have North Korea. Followed by Vietnam where we were not allowed to win so we lost. Next came Iraq I and we stopped short of Baghdad at the request of the UN. Iraq II was a mistake. Not for going in but rather for going in under the pretense of WMD's and not to defeat the extremist's. We took our eyes off Afghanistan and we are doing it again now. Those who say we need to bring the troops home are not learning from history. We still have troops in England, Germany, Japan, Korea...... We must finish once and for all. Iraq and Afghanistan are strategically perfect to isolate and defend against Iran, Pakistan and North Korea. Yet we are stopping short. Fine. It's all or nothing at this point but on this day NEVER stop being vigilant. NEVER stop protecting our ideologies. Never FORGET.
You use Historyteach as your name but history has obviously taught you nothing if you think those who claim conspiracy are dillusional...leaders used to say the earth was flat and people believe or were punished, the earth was the center of the universe, hell, you can go throughout history and see lies of leaders.
What makes you think conspiracy?
see the post in bold above. There is more evidence of conspiracy than the opposite.
Historyteach - I think, I read, I view, I review, I use logic, critical thinking and mix in common sense - when using all that and then seeing the 9/11 Commission report and what that day has led to in this country, that makes me think it.
I respect your right to believe and interpret the information you have been able to google. They can't put anything on the internet that is'nt true. The fact's are planes were flown into three buildings by Arab's. That's all I need to know. All the rest is a distraction and an attempt to sell something. You can be distracted. I choose to be vigilant.
Also, The Democrats have been in power for 4yrs now. They would like nothing more than to proove your theory. Or are you suggesting this was a bi-partisan effort?
Historyteach - it's not a 'fact' the planes were flown by Arabs. Maybe we could find out if the black boxes were found and useable, but oddly enough on this day with these 4 planes, they aren't. Isn't that convenient?
In case you haven't noticed, 9/11 sold a lot of stuff and made a lot of people a lot of money.
You bought the first story sold to you, that's not being vigilant bro. Someone being vigilant would say, part of this just doesn't add up (and there are so many parts that don't) and I want to find out more.
@!$%#ing looser pieces of @!$%# politicians. You talk about a lying sack of @!$%# @!$%#ing government regime. Isnt that right you @!$%#ing lying sacks of @!$%# bushes. Its unbelieveable the bull@!$%# they call a government these days. When people want their country back they will stop voting these corporate lying sacks of @!$%# into office. When the @!$%# are you going to get it people. Yep just keep voting these corporate sacks of @!$%# into office. Yep just keep voting these corporate lying sacks of @!$%# into office. Should I say the one more time. Yep just keep voting these constitution violating son of a bitches into office. One more time should I. Oh I cant help it. Just keep voting these miserable pieces of @!$%# into office. @!$%#ing get it people would you.
Even if they didn't speak, I would have thought more of Obama and Romney if they had been at the ceremony and sat quietly, showing respect and solidarity with America. The same goes for the governors of both states.
So what happened to building 7???
the truther idiots will tell you wtc7 was brought down by explosives
while just the plain old idiots will tell you it was brought down by a fire
those idiot NYC firemen.
right sleepinsad ?
So, still doesn't answer my question? What brought that building down. I see windows blowing out from collapse, but what made it collapse...it wasn't touching any of the towers. It wasn't even hit with anything.
try you tube. it shows wtc7 on fire.
No, keck. Putting words in people's mouths....the last refuge of the defeated. Try posting some data or evidence if you want to refute the facts.
People aren't in shock anymore. We have had a lot of time to reason and examine the facts. Most Americans are fooled but a great many are not. The mainstream media has a stranglehold on the American consciousness but we are slowing waking. You should be scared of a united American people.
keck, you mean those idiot firemen and people who were in the building saying there were explosions? what fireman has said it was brought down by fire (if you got youtube stuff, link that please)? if you want to use youtube, go view all the other steel framed buildings that burned longer and hotter and stood.
Nano-thermite???
Never seen or heard of any building collapsing because of any fire, ever.
so many people who say we were bombed and attacked very few say our own government was behind it. Well, sad to say that yes our very own government, your elected officials and corporate job leaders are behind it. People on the most part want to place blame on others but alot of people don't even know it was 3 building that fell not 2. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth view 9/11 blueprint for truth. New York Times is blaming George Bush so the truth will prevail.
I really hope it does...they stole a few trillion.
....
Same exact @!$%#, different year.
The more you cry about it the more the terrorist win and more importantly, the more the government thinks it is correct in restricting our freedom in our own borders in the name of safety. It's time to move on and get back our freedoms from this government. Every time you get searched at the airport and feel un-easy about it, or you feel awkward watching someone else get searched and treated like a criminal because they set off the metal detector or brought on a pair of finger nail cutters, the terrorist win and the government smiles. Homeland security needs to be torn apart asap, Items like the Patriot Act... wow dont' get me started on that... Seriously, you do know that all the government has to do is accuse you of being a terrorist and they can hold you without trial, indefinitely? Illegal surveillance, wire tapping, sneak and peak (seriously look into that one), etc etc etc. Educate yourselves people, they are taking away your freedoms piece by piece and you may not see it now but you will in time and the3y are smiling and sayig its for your safety, and using 9-11 as the excuse to do it all. No one wants to seem post 9-11 soft so no one will speak up about it.
A very important quote I'm sure most o you have seen the last couple years I'm sure, but it MUST be repeated. A true libertarian by a literal definition, and a founding father of this nation said,
"Any one who will trade freedom for security deserves neither"
Ben Franklin
Our founding fathers, regardless of 9/11 would be absolutely ashamed of what this country has become.
Besides, I bet most of you don't even know what day Pearl Harbor was.
Some cold truth and hard fact.
December 7th, 1941. A day that will live in ...... If you were President and responsible for the protection of ALL citizens, what would you do?
Yes- that bad feeling you get when you see Gestapo tactics used on Americans.......that feeling is natural. You get it because you are American and you know it flies in the face of everything we stand for. So go with that feeling. Speak up. If we all lie down and give up, there is nothing left. If you want your kids to have the same freedom you had until 11 years ago, be a responsible citizen and demand our liberty be restored.
i saw a "9/11 was an inside job" bumper sticker on a truck once at a bar. when i left the bar the tires had been slashed.
this was in south carolina about 5 years ago.
yeah man, vandalizing others property when they express free speech is f'n American bro...you realize America was founded on free-speech and dissent, don't you? it makes you look extremely un-American to be against someone's right to free-speech and dissent by destroying their property when they do express it.
i hope you'll actually take the time to think about that, because from how you typed it, it seems like you are happy that happened to them...i guess you expect today's Americans to just shut-up and follow along, is that what you do?
9/11 is real for me. a friend of mine was on 93.
people like you..."truthers".....cant understand. you make light of her death...and call it a "lie" and that kills me.
now do you understand.
where did i make light of anyone's death? i never said the day didn't happen, i just don't believe it happened in the way we've been fed to believe. i believe the deaths of that day are truly tragic and have led to even more deaths than could have possibly been imagined that day.
quite possibly, you not researching to the very end what happened does more to dishonor your friend's death than i ever could.
no one has called the day a lie, they call the story of the day a lie...now do you understand.
i will add keck - the people believing that the truth hasn't come out yet and that American leadership was involved somehow are actually more disgusted by the deaths of Americans (such as your friend) at the hands of American leadership then we would be if we believed it was just terrorists.
we take not a single one of those deaths lightly. sorry if you misunderstood my post to think i did.
Anyone who thinks 911 was an Inside Job needs a good *** kicking right out of the Country. People like you spit on dead with your BS conspiracy MYTHS... 911 was a Tragic day for all Americans even worse if you lost loved ones on that day or after. For people like the Truthers to say it was all staged and caused by our very own government is beyond idiocy. All your myths have been debunked yet 11 years later your still out spewing ignorance. Who makes up the Government morons? Americans do.. So your saying that some elite group of Americans set up and carried out an attack on other Americans... That's what your saying truthers. The problem with your idiocy conspiracy is that this attack would have to been carried out by a huge group and all of them would have to keep there mouths shut. Sorry to say not possible.... You idiots who believe 911 was an inside job are just as stupid as the people who believe we never landed on the moon and it was all staged...
Yup, anyone who expresses their right of free speech and thought and dissent should get a good *** kicking right out of the country...just like you would have probably done to the forefathers of our country.
Leatherneck, you don't have to believe what I believe, but I ask you to do this - look up a group of Israelis being arrested on 9/11 by the GWB with a moving truck full of explosives...you'll see Guiliani talk about it in one of his along with others. Why did this story just disappear?
If you believe that a government has never attacked its own people, you are not a student of history.
I'm not saying I know exactly what happened that day, but I am saying that I don't believe the 9/11 Commission and what our media has fed us - if you do, that's your choice and I'm not saying you need a good *** kicking out of the country cause of what you believe. As I've said, America was built on free-speech and dissent, maybe you're un-American for thinking someone needs an *** kicking out of the country for expressing that...maybe the dissenters and free-speechers are more American than you'll ever be.
Now, using Leatherneck connotates some military background or something - so did you fight to protects other's rights under the Constitution...you know, those same rights you think someone needs an *** kicking out of the country for expressing? Or do you just use the name to look tough?
So this was a Bi-partisan conspiracy? Both Republicans and Democrats? The Democrats have been in power for 4yrs now and they would like nothing more than to proove your theory. So you are suggesting that our entire government was involved and the massive cover up has held tight for 11yrs?
sleepin' ....there is no responsibility on your end of the conversation. to you americans were murdered by our govt. period.
you want to believe our govt did 9/11 so badly......and it cheapens their deaths. i cant stand what you are trying to imply....and you wont quit talking.....so i dont think of you as an american....i cant even think of you as a human, and i feel bad about that. but you are the one saying we caused 9/11.
Well Historyteach, I don't know exactly what type of conspiracy it was. I see the 2 parties of our Government as just one big 'party', so the whole Republicans vs. Democrats thing is nothing to me - at the highest levels, I think they work together to keep Americans focused on bs like abortion, that they know we'll argue about, while they are doing other stuff behind the scenes.
All I'm suggesting is that we don't have the entire truth about what happened that day and until we do, we'll have no idea of how the conspiracy went. I (and I think most who don't believe the media and 9/11 Commission report) are looking for information and don't believe we have anywhere near all of it...we aren't pointing fingers at the end-point because we don't have enough info about it to get to an end-point.
Look up United Moving Systems in New Jersey and find out a little about that company in the days leading up to 9/11 and on 9/11. Go look at all the Israeli connections throughout...look at new conferences that day talking about men in a moving truck loaded with explosives caught by the George Washington Bridge and then think, why was this never mentioned again?
Look at that Security cameras not being on in the building the weekend before, bomb sniffing dogs removed from WTC starting 9/6/01, etc...there are just so many odd things that seem to add up to something bigger and more logical than 19 guys directed by a dude in a cave.
Why does America's most heavily guarded building (The Pentagon) not show us one full camera shot of a plane hitting it? Why was all footage from surrounding locations confiscated and never shown?
So, no, I'm not suggesting that I know exactly what happened and who was involved, but I'd like to find out the truth of the day so that I could find those things out.
sleepinsadie: Besides just the BS about this on the Internet about a group of Israelis being arrested on 9/11 by the GWB with a moving truck full of explosives.
You will find several key issues come up.
Key issues: is there are multiple reports saying they were Israelis, yet other reports that they were Palestinians. There are other reports that there were explosives and other reports there were none. There are also multiple reports that there were two vans, not just one.
So I get down to the real facts and not just REPORTS. WHERE is the NYPD POLICE REPORT ON THIS???
keck, to be honest, i wish i didn't believe what i do. i don't want to think our government was involved, but i do. i never said they caused it, like you have accused me of, because the facts haven't come out to make a determination.
if you think american government doesn't lie to you, look up the story of pat tillman, ex-nfl player who went to fight after this - killed by friendly fire but his family and we were sold a story of his bravery when being attacked and that bs like that, until his family found the truth.
saying you 'can't stand' shows that you don't even want to look at the possibility, which shows closed-mindedness and calling me un-American is a joke - as i've said, America was founded on free-speech and dissent (or do you think the British loved our forefathers) and you are showing how far America has fallen from it's original idea by not being able to stand listening to free speech and trying to converse with it and thinking that a dissenter to a story is un-American.
don't feel bad about me bro, just as i don't feel bad or good about you based on your thoughts and opinions. i thought i might be able to carry on a conversation with someone who has a view different than mine, but it seems like i can't, as you aren't open to that.
Leatherneck - it's not just bs on the internet - there are actual news conferences with this in it...see Guiliani talking about it...and exactly, where is the police report? Where are the stories about this moving company? How come other people associated with this moving company were arrested that day celebrating what was going on while 'documenting' it?
And, thanks for looking into it to comment.
Tons of 'issues' come up on 9/11, getting to the bottom of them is what people like me are trying to do.
sleepinsadie: Hey PAL the story of pat tillman death was the normal cover story for a ****up. Some idiot killed Pat with Friendly Fire. Not something you want to tell the parents that your SON was killed by accident by a fellow Unit member. Better to tell them he died bravely fighting the enemy. Sorry you don't understand that sleepinsadie. I guess you never served in the Military?
sleepinsadie: LOL There were Reports and News reports that there were shooters in the parking lot at the Pentagon after the plane crashed into it. Yet no shooters were ever found.
There also was a news report of WTC 7 building falling down even thought it could still be seen standing in the back ground of the news report.
ITS CALLED THE FOG OF WAR>>>>
I do understand Leatherneck - lie to the family to make them believe something that isn't the truth...so, what's the difference from lying to one to lying to many about how/why some died?
so, if it's normal for our government (of which the military is) to lie about something like someone's death so their family could feel better about it, how would that be any different than lying to a nation about people's death so they feel better about it?
Here's what I understand - if one of my family members is killed, it doesn't matter how cause they are dead. I'd rather know the truth than to be deceived...but from your post, it seems you'd rather be deceived or lie to someone about it if they were on the receiving end of death info from you. Hell, we could do that in America with every death...no, your son wasn't murdered selling crack on the corner, he was murdered protecting someone from a robbery, glad I could help make you feel better about it, cause you shouldn't know the truth.
Nope, never served in the military, maybe that's why I believe in telling someone the truth and not just line-stepping to what my 'superior' says.
Are you really saying that you've seen the BBC footage of them saying WTC 7 has fallen when it's right over the reporters shoulder and you just think that's a Fog of War thing? Really? And then it fell like 15 minutes later and you don't go, huh? It wasn't like she said that any of the buildings closer that had received structural damage fell, it was only WTC 7 and then, miraculously, she was right and it was the only other building that fell...and you still don't go, huh?
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth
stratosphericalerosal - Their new documentary on the Colorado PBS channel, which you can find on the Colorado PBS website, is thought provoking. Have you watched it?
sleep', dont get me wrong...i am not naive about the govt and it's lack of truth...look at waco in 93' . but bin laden did 9/11. you might have a few points about what was said...and what actually happened. for instance...when the whitehouse was evacuating the told people to hide their credentials and badges...because snipers may be targeting administration officials, which wasnt the case. then you had dan rather saying that a car bomb had gone off at the state dept, which it turned out to be just a car fire. there was even a report that air force 1 was going to be shot down after it took off from sarasota on 9/11...but again it was not true.
bin laden hit the uss cole 10/12/00
bin laden hit america 9/11/01
sorry if i am not pleasant to you sleep...you have the right to say what you want , when you want...
hey keck, see, unlike you, i can't just state bin laden did 9/11...there are far too many unanswered questions around that day for me. just because of the uss cole, i can't say bin laden did it...hell, with that view, i could say israel bombed the uss liberty, so it was them.
bin laden denied attacking 9/11 when it happened (and congratulated whatever a-holes did it). i look at that like, here's a dude who wants to be the baddest terrorist in the world and when given a chance to take responsibility for taking the US to their knees, he gives his 'praise' elsewhere...also, up to the day of his death, bin laden was only on the fbi top 10 for the uss cole with 9/11 not even mentioned on his report cause the fbi said they didn't have enough evidence to prove it was him...does that make sense to you with our government's official story?
within like an hour of it happening, we had 'experts' on tv saying it was bin laden. really? and if you don't think that view affected the story we were fed or what our government did in the next days, i don't know what to say...there was no investigation into any of the buildings material to see what went on.
if points like the bomb sniffing dogs being pulled from the WTC 1&2 buildings literally the week before this and security cameras being out the weekend before or molten sparks coming out of windows before the collapse or the heat of the fires burning for months after or the lack of Pentagon video or that we were conveniently doing tests of the same exact thing at the same time or that the President said an attack like this had never been thought of after it happened or WTC 7 (any of that, with silverstein saying 'pull' and it not being hit by anything, etc) or that NIST did not bother to test anything for explosives or explosives residue (and the NIST report is a joke) or any one of the myriad of things that don't add up for me happen to add up for you, that is entirely your belief and i don't judge you for it bro.
what i'd sit down and discuss with you is how with all that, do you not question the 9/11 commission or the media 'official' story one iota?
sleepinsadie:
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during WW1?
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during WW2?
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during Korea?
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during Vietnam?
Now out all those Wars How many US Servicemen Family's got told that there loved ones died by Friendly Fire?
Seriously Leatherneck - how would I know the answer to those. I made a point of showing how family and population are/can be lied to about death by our military/government and now you want me to give you all those answers...be serious bro.
Hey, but at least I got you to start asking questions...now start asking questions around the bs stories of 9/11 and find yourself some answers, it'll lead to more questions.
I also notice how you didn't really respond to what I said to you in my post. You talked about lying to a family and even a nation with Pat Tillman's death and how it looks like you thought that was the right thing to do, you know, for the family to think he's a hero and not know the truth...which oddly enough, could be like the story around PA on 9/11...make 'em look like heroes, it makes people feel proud in the face of tragedy and not question it in most cases, especially when they are people of your own, like these were with Americans.
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during WW1? Answer approx: 21,000
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during WW2? Answer approx: 60,000
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during Korea? Answer approx: 5,000
How many US servicemen died by Friendly Fire during Vietnam? Answer approx 8,000
Now out all those Wars How many US Servicemen Family's got told that there loved ones died by Friendly Fire?
Answer: NONE
They were all told there loved one died fighting the enemy...
So you saying that a standard response to a loved one killed on the Field of Battle by Friendly Fire is some how connected to a Conspiracy to hid the TRUTH about 911... RFLOL
How about this the reason there is so many things you don't understand about 911 is that YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
I didn't say it was connected, I said it sounds kind of the same - make them look like heroes in the eyes of their families and others while concealing the truth...can you not see how that might sound the same? But no, like everyone else who listens to someone like me who thinks there is more to the story, you take one thing that is said and twist it so far from what was said that it sounds idiotic...but it doesn't sound idiotic to you that 19 dudes directed by someone in a cave, who had not ever flown a commercial airliner and only had rudimentary (at best) flying skills flew planes perfectly into buildings in a manner that left professional pilots shaking their heads at some points, knocking down 3 steel structure buildings which fell in free-fall with no resistence and into The Pentagon and there is no video to show it, knocking out an area where records were stored that were being used to somehow account for a missing $2.3 Trillion, when it would have been easier to dive into the central nerve center than where they hit or even go just up the water a little to nuclear facility to cause major damage, not to list everything else...while miraculously doing this on the same day we were testing something like this happening?
Bro, what do you understand about 9/11? Is it really so simple to you that 19 dudes did that and the buildings just fell? And then you question whether I want to know the truth or not? That's hilarious bro.
sleepinsadie: The big truth of 911 and why it happened. Is the FBI, CIA, ATF and many other agencies had bits and peaces of the big picture. Yet at the same time, all of them would not share that info with each other.
The next big truth of 911 is that up till that day you never saw someone take over a plane and crash it into a building.
So theses people on the planes thought it was a normal hijacking of a plane and up till that day. Everyone was told if your plane was hijacked just sit back and eventually you will be freed. Do not try to over power the hijackers, you can get hurt or killed and they also might kill someone else for your actions. So just do what they say and try to not provoke the hijackers.
911 was not a government ran attack against its own citizens, it was just a massive fail of Government to process/Share key information.
Thats why I have a dash cam in my car to sue the crap out of people who do things like that when I place that bumper sticker on my car. I make a lot of good money off it too.