Yeah, it would have taken all of 5 seconds for her to hand him the identification.... sheesh.

When you are stopped you present your license and insurance. I would bet if she had he would have written her a speeding ticket or warning and she could have gone home to the bathroom. If I did what she did I would have expected to the same reaction. So you have to go? Fine...did your behavior get you to the bathroom any faster? She could have pulled out what he said and told him she needed to go and please go as quickly as possible when he was writing her up.

Oh, and 77 year olds can still shoot or cause other injury to the officer, and he had no way to know she wasn't go to go off and do something even less reasonable than she did. At the end of the day he wants to go home and she was not cooperating.

He should have just tased her. That might have cleared up her bladder infection as a side benefit, if indeed she ever had one. Can you imagine the defense after someone kills a loved one speeding - "I had to get to a bathroom because I have a bladder infection", give me a break.

Blake - are we supposed to let anyone claiming a "medical conditional" break the laws at will? HELL NO! This woman had just left church, she couldn't have used the facilities at the church? She failed to cooperate with the officer. She knew she was speeding and she got burned. Too bad for her. Don't do the crime if you aren't prepared to do the time!

Why are women so often identified by their childbearing status? So what if she's a "granny"? I'm so tired of women being referred to as "Mom" or "Grandmother" when it has no bearing whatsoever on the story. You never see a man being referred to as "34-year-old Dad" or such when the story isn't about their relationship to their kids. This woman's grandchildren - if they even exist - were NOT part of the story.

That said, I always thought you had 24 hours to produce your ID and registration if stopped by police. He shouldn't have arrested her.

If you're driving, you have to show a license and proof of insurance when required. It's not optional just because you're old. As usual, msnbc is trying to stoke up outrage over this incident because the offender is a senior citizen and this website has an agenda against cops.

@rkaralius - good point on the terminology. Regarding the 24 hour thing she never said she didn't have it with her. If you say you don't have it with you, then i believe in some states the cops ticket you for it, but then you can take your ID and insurance to the police station later on and cancel the ticket. Other states I believe you have to have it with you all the time.

@rkaralius, I don't know what state you live in, but that 24 hours stuff is not true most places.

I agree with the poster, who said that she did not look that fragile, and further, if she had to go so badly that she could not take a minute to produce her ID, why didn't she lose control of her bladder while being pulled out of the vehicle? I would think that would make her lose control.

She caused the problem, and should also be charged with resisting arrest. Age is not a defense.

or she could have simply given him her ID!

How was he unfair, grave digger? What would have been fair? Asking her SIX TIMES to produce an ID? Check. Giving her a warning that if she refused to comply he would have to arrest her? Check. Asking her to step from the vehicle several times? Check. Would fair, in your view, be allowing her to do as she pleased? 'Cause she's old? Is that why?

She brought this on herself. Show your freakin' drivers license and proof of insurance, it's that simple. When he said he was going to arrest and she said go ahead, she should have got out of her vehicle like he asked her or got out her drivers license and proof of insurance. If she needed to get to the bathroom in such a hurry due to medical needs, I am surprised she didn't wet her pants as she was being taken out of the vehicle. I think she was playing the church going granny card....pure sweet and innocent.....bullsh!t! The lawyer representing her is an idiot if he believes what she tells him. I watched the video and all I saw was a lady refusing to cooperate....she got what she deserved!

While I think its ridiculous that she refused to show her DL, what would have happened if she simply left her license at home? Would this officer pull everyone who forgets a license out of their car or would he just cite them for driving without a license? He chose to escalate the situation instead of diffusing it. He could have just told her to give him her license or he would have to cite her for not having one. Then she could choose her course of action. His actions probably weren't a violation of law or policy but certainly don't help the department's relationship with the community.

A speeding 77 year old driver will kill you just like a 16 year old driver. She refused to follower a polite request and was belligerent, she got EXACTLY what she earned. A 77 year old can kill a Police Officer just like anyone else. The Officer was correct and followed procedures.

happytimesarehearagain

The cop was acting like a jackass and unprofessional. I hope his family is embarrassed.

I think you mean the church going old lady was acting like a jackass or an old b!tch. I hope her family is embarrassed.

How do you figure the cop was acting like a jackass? He asked her for her license and insurance, she refused to comply. This old bag could have just murdered her husband or the preacher man and was on the run. The cop doesn't know that. She could have had a warrant out for her arrest because she didn't show up for her court date for domestic violence. She could be a meth cooker and dealer, you don't know. Just because she is older, wearing a floral shirt and looks sweet doesn't mean she is not a criminal. She challenged the cop and she lost. What did she expect a kiss on the cheek and you have a nice day m'am? Stupid old woman!

Regardless of what that woman said, he should never have laid a hand on her except to pat her down and put the cuffs on. This "cop" didn't follow policy, NO WAY. He should have drew his gun and asked her to step out. Not open the door and drag her out. If he had to pull her out because she wasnt cooperating, then back up should have been called. This woman was absoulutely being difficult, and not complying with the officers request, however these cops that think a refusal is fair game for abuse just make me sick. These cops are not trying to protect you. They've been brainwashed to view everyone as a threat. You've been brainwashed to fear the police. This isn't the way our society is supposed to operate.

@stull, exactly this woman could have been extremely dangerous, and could have possibly had a weapon. What was that cop thinking of opening a door on a person that could be dangerous? ( he obviously thought she was, considering his actions) No back up and no regard for his own safety.

I'm old and was married to a police officer in the same area - Venus, just down the road - until he died 7 years ago. The law in texas is that if you refuse or fail to provide ID to a police officer in the commission of his duties, it is a free ride to jail. She could go to the bathroom there! Just because she is old and can't control her urinary processes, it isn't a pass to speed. That strip of HIGHWAY she was on is curved and has an uphill grade with limited visibility. And 67 is the highway through there - not the speed limit. Therer is a college through there and the limit is lowered because the highway goes into Cleburne city limit just past there. She knew that. It has been 55 through there for at least 35 years! And if she lives in Cleburne, she knows it because it is the only access into town until you get another 5 miles down the road. There aren't any service stations anywhere near there either, so the potty break excuse isn't valid either! If she can't hold it until she gets home - she needs diapers! Being old doesn't give you an excuse to violate the law. And she wasn't senile - she was just being a "B." She was resisting arrest and that's how she ended up on the ground. She has no one to blame but herself.

A 77 year old may be starting to slip mentally and not realized it was happening yet. People are living longer and the world is going to be dealing with dementia a lot more than previously. Dementia is awful and sneaks up slowly on people. I think the cop should have noticed that her behavior wasn't explainable and used more common sense considering the offense. Normally a 77 year old woman doesn't act like that and dragging her out of the car was inappropriate behavior. Cops put their lives on the line everyday and I don't think they should have to take unnecessary risks but this old lady doesn't sound like a risk. Old people have to follow the law of course but her behavior sounded more like a confused old person than belligerent. There is a lot of violence out there but somehow we need to figure out how to not treat everyone like potential criminals....especially the old people out there trying to take care of themselves under awful circumstances....but yet NOT put our cops at further risk.

And for rkaralius - youhave 24 hours if you want to spend 24 hours in jail. If she had said she had lost it or couldn't find it, he would have done a DL verification by name, date of birth, address and if she knew the number, he could have done that. But she REFUSED. That's a different matter altogether. And if the truth were known, she probably drives that way all the time! My elderly neighbor (I say that like I'm a kid!) used to deliberately ignore the traffic control devices and signs, saying,"When I started driving, they didn't even have signs, lights or licenses and I don't think they should expect me to change now." Her kids had to take her car away from her.

This "cop" didn't follow policy, NO WAY.

Apparently, you are wrong. The article clearly states that the Officer adhered to policy.

He should have drew his gun and asked her to step out. Not open the door and drag her out.

Oh yeah. That would have gone well. The headline would have read "Officer draws on Granny resulting in heart attack". Opening the door and removing her prevents her from running off and possibly causing an accident.

If he had to pull her out because she wasnt cooperating, then back up should have been called.

And your comment here would have been "Oh, big man needed back up for a 77 year old woman". Do you want to pay for police to have to respond in mass every time someone decides they don't wish to listen to directions?

however these cops that think a refusal is fair game for abuse just make me sick.

What abuse? How was this uncooperative person abused?

You've been brainwashed to fear the police.

I, as most law abiding citizens, were taught to respect the police. Only those with something to fear from the police, fear the police.

This isn't the way our society is supposed to operate.

That's right. When approached in a civil and respectful manner by those charged with our safety, you are expected to respond in kind and respect totally reasonable requests by those with the authority to do so.

1. This woman was breaking the law speeding 15 miles over the speed limit, which CAN in fact put someone in danger, and officers enforce speed laws for a reason. 2. She was being beligerent to the officer for asking for her license and insurance, which he HAS to do on a stop. 3. He asked several more times, then gave her warnings about what would take place next (part of procedure). 4. She told him to follow through. 5. He followed through since he had no choice at that point. 6. You would never know she had to pee so bad what with the way she handled things, as if she had all day to make life difficult. 7. Age doesn't matter; rules are rules for everyone, it's not selective. The same treatment to a teenager wouldn't have even made anyone blink. 8. What in the world do you THINK is going to happen when you act this way with law enforcement?! 9. Obviously, this lady needs to spend more time in church, and maybe not just playing the piano, as it hasn't seemed to have taught her a whole lot about how you're supposed to act towards others. And finally, 10. Everyone who thinks he was out of line and that police are power hungry jerks just out to harass the world should go try that job, and then come back and see if you still say the same things.

She should have told him she's an illegal immigrant...no ID required!

It's pretty simple really, if you speed and get stopped you deserve a ticket. I have had a couple tickets in my lifetime and I just handed the officer my license and ins card and there was no problem. I even got off with a warning once because I was polite and courteous. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. It's called responsibility.

she shoulda whizzed after ticklin' the ivories at church.

Shon (#1.14): He very well may have let her go with a warning, had she complied and given him her license and insurance like he asked. But we'll never know, because she was refusing to do what was necessary to be on her merry way. Warnings come AFTER they run your information and make sure everything is legitimate.

Creek Dog: Yeah, but catching real criminals doesn't fill the coffers like a simple speeding ticket does.... ~_o

Yeah, he should have handled it differently.

Speeding is NOT a crime. It's an infraction. This cop is a pig, not a LEO. There IS a time to do things by the book, and there's a time to bend the rules. There should have been a LOT more leniency shown here than what there was.

THE LAW: Policemen so cherish their status as "Peacekeepers" and "protectors of the public" that they have occasionally been known to beat to death those CITIZENS or groups who question that status. -- Unknown

All these "hard-liners" need to stop and take a look at the Milgram Experiment of the 60's. Then they might see things for what they REALLY are...

The Milgram Experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Remember, it's never the perpetraitor's responsibility to "defuse the situation". It is always the person addressing the problem who must "defuse the situation".

Officers are "trained" for these situations is what many people say. Well, maybe the perpetraitors had their families "train" them as they grew up. Yet so many make excuses for the unruly, unlawful, wreckless, etc. that are afflicting our society.

She got what she asked for. I don't think she should have a drivers license.

boog a loo 22: Would you find it appropriate behavior for law enforcement to treat your wife or mother in that manner for a minor infraction?

She didn't rob a bank or force police on a high speed chase. She didn't show her license. BFD.

If that behavior by police for a minor infraction is acceptable to you, then it's no wonder this country is heading quickly into a Fascist state.

She was lead-foooting it and got caught. The cop, following protocol, politely requested her papers. He listened to her excuse and then repeated his request and also gave her options - requested documents or jail. She chose to go to jail.

The real question is "what happened to her 'bladder infection'?" did she pee in the officer's patrol car?

arguesforsport.....Respect is earned. Not given. Not to anybody.

Taking a 6 week course or 2 year criminal justice degree and passing a background check is not an automatic qualifier for respect. Old people deserve respect too. How about compassion. How about common decency? There is this thing called talking that is commonly used to defuse situations. Especially senile old people situations.

This cop was an asshat immature bro who didn't think twice about getting a chance to be a big bad action hero. I've met better cops who could have handled this without dragging the old woman out of her car. Of course they were better men before they became cops. Being a cop or jumping through some of the hoops to become one doesn't make you good person or a good man. This just some dumbass kid that passed a 6 week course, given a uniform and weapon, and influenced by the frat boy mentality that is prevalent in so many police departments in the country. A lot of them act like little boys because they never had to really grow up. The age requirement should be 25 minimum.

As for the old woman being a serious threat.....

"Shoot first, because that 10 year old might have a gun....." Reminds me of a THP weapons instructor I once met. I asked him if he would really shoot to kill a kid, if he had to. He told me that in that situation you handle your business. He was of the opinion that if you just wound anyone, even a kid they are still a threat. Maybe he's right, but what are the odds on that? I wonder. I disagreed that extreme circumstances are exceptions to the rule. He seemed to think that mentality was an inherent weakness in my character or something. Like having a degree of common sense, decency or a conscience was bad for the job.

rkaralius,

Didnt have to wait long for the misogyny claims to start pouring in. Look at other stories, if someone is a dad they say dad if they want people sympathetic to the person, same for grandfathers. They called her grandma to get more people on her side. Quit trying to find problems everywhere.

This cop definitely reacted the right way. You dont know if a 77 year old has a gun or anything else. Even frail old people can pull a trigger. Not giving your id is a huge red flag to cops. If the woman didnt think that she was above the law because of her age, none of this would have happened.

Debi, if MY wife or mother flat out refused to produce a license, told the cop to arrest her, then refused to get out of the car I would absolutely approve of the cop taking those actions... And I'd tell my wife or mother that they deserved it.

I'm guessing you people who think the cop over reacted didn't read the article or watch the video. You're getting up-in-arms over a headline that in no way is representative of the truth. This cop was absolutely right and this woman was absolutely wrong.

the officer did nothing legally wrong; proof of ID, Registration and Insurance is required in almost all the States, in the union. the court will probably order a pre-sentence investigation, that requires a neurology exam.

Gee, Debi-1314897. Yes, me and my family are law-abiding citizens and we do expect to be treated fairly. If we escalate the situation by being unlawful IN THE FIRST PLACE then we do expect to be arrested.

I'm tired of everyone making lame excuses for people such as this allegedly speeding, allegedly refusing to comply with a lawful order, allegedly resisting arrest, allegedly still wanting to be treated equally (like everyone else), allegedly adult woman.

I agree she should have shown her license, if she had one. HOWEVER, the police work for us, are paid by us and should have a modicum of common sense. A 77 year old woman is not a threat to public safety. He could have used a bit of common sense, which a lot of police have and just taken her keys. Checked that the car was registered to her, given her a ticket and called her a cab. Then no story.

DUI's are handled in a similar manner. Their keys are taken, depending on the state, the person is taken to the police department and a relative is called.

NONE OF YOU HAVE HEARD OF SENILITY? DEMENTIA? PIGHEADEDNESS in old age people? Police regularly have to go through mental fitness examinations. This jerk failed bigtime.

Keene has a population of about 5000 and I am sure this policeman has more problems now then he thought his he-man antics would get him.

Spiddas, What makes this a time to "bend the rules?" Do you think an old lady can't lie to police? Do you think she couldn't possibly be a criminal? Do you think her age makes her a safer driver than, say, someone who is only 40?

We all know the procedure when the cops pull us over, license and registration. Why would anyone try to avoid showing the license and registration? What could they be hiding? Sounds very suspicious to me.

As for "bending the rules," what would you do if your employees decided when they would follow the rules and when they would "bend" them? How long would those folks work for you? Police officers who "bend the rules" are regularly disciplined and fired.

The only things I might have done different from this officer is, I would have called for backup. This could be a small department that doesn't have the officers to provide any sort of immediate backup though. I also don't believe I would have raised my voice but simply raising your voice does not justify anyone ignoring the directions of a police officer.

Kaleb:

If you feel your wife or mother would be deserving of that kind of treatment over a minor infraction, I feel sorry for your wife or mother. It takes two, and that situation could have easily been defused by the "professional". It wasn't necessary for it to escalate as it did.

Without your having to spell it out, I can see what goes on behind your closed doors.

Lets see if I have to go to the bathroom I should not have to show the gate guard my ID to get on post I should just drive right past him. I Should never follow the directions of an officer it is my right to drive any where. This officer should have known she was 77 because they are all issued "age detectors". With women you just need to multiply what they look like by 1.4 and that is their age. This city needs to take a the advice from a democrat mayor who told her officers not to chase criminals ever.

A 77 year old woman is not a threat to public safety.

Until she gets confused and slams the gas instead of the brakes when a child runs out in front of her. Or until she gets on the highway going the wrong direction. Or until she loses control around a curve and slams into a family heading the other way.

Some people think that a 77 year old white woman should be treated differently than a 22 year old black man. If a 22 year old black man had refused to give ID then resisted being removed from the car the cop could have shot him 8 times and the same people defending this woman would be supporting the cop for killing a young thug. I am no lover of cops but if she had been nice and done what she was told while telling the cop she had to pee he would more than likely have let her go with a warning.

The funny thing is I bet the same libtards who are denoncing the cop here were also calling Texans a "bunch of dumb rendecks" after the state raised the speed limit of a highway to 85 mph last week. You just can't win with these hypocrites.

Yeah, so? lol I guess when old white women start committing violent crime at an ridiculous rate people will start cheering for them to get beat up.

Stereotypical and racist? Maybe...but then again they do bring that image upon themselves don't they? Dressing and acting like a thug in parts of this country is a little like dressing like a Nazi on Normandy beach. You will probably get your ass shot.

Boog a loo:

Yes, me and my family are law-abiding citizens and we do expect to be treated fairly.

You must live in a small bubble if you believe all law-abiding citizens are treated fairly. Hopefully you will be lucky and able to remain in your small bubble and not be negatively affected by you or one of your law abiding loved ones being treated unfairly. Others have not been so lucky.

Flatiron:

The funny thing is I bet the same libtards who are denoncing the cop here were...

Thankfully you didn't bet the farm, or you'd be out on the streets about now. Stay clear of Vegas.

Unless she pissed in her panties in the patrol car, she was lying.

Glad she got arrested beliger-rant trash.

ofcourse1: A 77 year old woman is not a threat to public safety.

What world are you living in, I wouldn't trust anyone in today's society. I would have tasered her if I was him, being old does not give you the right to blatantly refuse the request of a law officer.

arguesforsport.....Respect is earned. Not given. Not to anybody.

Taking a 6 week course or 2 year criminal justice degree and passing a background check is not an automatic qualifier for respect. Old people deserve respect too. How about compassion. How about common decency? There is this thing called talking that is commonly used to defuse situations. Especially senile old people situations.

So taking on the responsibility of "to protect and serve" does not qualify one for some degree of respect but living a long time does? Just the fact that someone decides to become a "public servant" is a qualifier for most people to show some kind of respect. The Officer was perfectly respectful and professional, the woman was being belligerent and resisting in every way possible. The Officer was talking, and talking, and talking, until the woman pushed too far.

You're trying to claim she is senile now? I think it would have been mentioned in the article if she had any history of senility. And if she (or anyone for that matter) was senile, she should not have been on the road, period.

I'm shocked by the amount of people defending this woman. Going so far as to give her dementia as an excuse. Yeah, we need more elderly people with dementia speeding around.

If the lady had provided her license and insurance info to the officer this would not have happened. After providing the required info she could have then given her lame excuse for speeding. In my experience, more often than not, the officer will let you off with a warning and you can be on your way.

At the person saying she's not a threat to public safety, how do you know? You're saying senior citizens have never killed anyone before?

I have no problem with how he acted, saying he lost his nerve is stupid. He gave her MORE than enough opportunities to hand over her license. She refused and just delayed herself. Did she really think he was just going to let her go because she had to pee? Please. On top of that, once she didn't want to comply and said to just arrest her, he also gave her plenty of opportunities to get out of the vehicle peacefully. You can only deal with someone for so long. Was he supposed to sit there for an hour asking her. No. She didn't comply, that's what happens. It's laughable to be thinking about bringing forth a lawsuit, especially in a situation where there's no he said she said. The entire event is on camera with audio. If she didn't show respect, why should she get it back?

Her condition isn't an excuse either. If a medical condition, or having to take a piss, gets in the way of you behaving in a rational manner, perhaps she shouldn't be on the road to begin with.

Sure glad it was not my mother sick piece of crap i never heard of hells angels or any other bike gang treat people the way they do they think they are above earn respect piece of crap and what law did she break she should of just went and soiled his car cant believe you — — — — — — E S what did you want to see her get tasered or shot

OK, for all the people that said she "DESERVED" it, I would have "TASERED" her blah blah blah...

Put your mother in her situation. How do you feel now?!

Secondly, if it were the cops own mother, do you think he would've acted the same with his same actions?! No.

Look, she was a bit belligerent and frankly a pain in the ass however, she and our forefathers paved the way for us. They went through hell trying to make a living and forcing laws and inventions to create the world we live in today by their own sacrifices. At her age (and most her age) they're getting tired of being pushed around etc... by the people she/they paved the way for.

If you think any different, then you're simply taking advantage of your wonderful "perfect" life and not giving the elders any credit for your computers, I-phones and all the great gadgets that make your life easier today.

Just think about it. I know I'm going to get a little flack from some of you guys but if, and when I do, then you're the type described in my above sentence.

Have a nice day...

MMW - It's called punctuation. Learn about. Use it. Look less stupid on the Internet.

zorloc:

If a medical condition, or having to take a piss, gets in the way of you behaving in a rational manner, perhaps she shouldn't be on the road to begin with.

Guess a pregnant woman in hard labor should either call and wait for a cab or walk to the hospital?

No Debi - she should call an ambulance. You should never drive impaired and that includes being impaired by the pain of child birth.

What cowards people have become

I am so tired of senior citizens thinking the world owes them, they are better than everyone else, that they have paid their dues....You fat ass old lady, you brought this on your self!

You should be embarrassed for how you reacted, you should be embarrassed for putting the cop in this position, and you should be ashamed for the example you have set for your children and grandchildren.

When a police officer asks for your drivers license, show it to him! How simple is that? In the amount of time you argued with him you could have told him the names of all the music you jut played, the name of your grandchildren and their ages and maybe even where they went to school, heck you may have even had time to show him their pictures.

We are a nation of laws, obey them. If you feel they are inappropriate then work to change them. In the meantime do what you are required to do. Respect where we live or leave.

On another note, I see that most of the people with the warmest hearts are collapsed by the community.

WOW, I am amazed at all the cold hearts out there in our community. What a shame. Really

Hi Karen. 16 or 17 yrs old are ya? When it takes all your efforts to even be name calling people and it hurts to stand up, then you just "might" have a right to say such BS. Read my last to small paragraphs in #1.67. Yup, that's you. You're the first. ;-)

Ryan OL draw the gun cause she wont give id are you fu— _ed in the head what shoot a 77 year old woman for no id i know what u do for a JOB there is too much abuse going on these days and all the bully talk why not everyone show this video to your children when you explain bullying to them and creek dog no kidding you can see where society is heading Hitler would be proud of them

Thank you Creek. You wrote EXACTLY what I was going to write. She had a medical condition, he could have followed her somewhere and then ticketed her or warned her or whatever afterward.

Catjmj: Not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where an ambulance can arrive in 3 minutes or less.

Also, sometimes labor begins and you think you have enough time to make it to the hospital safely and part way there, it escalates. There is no pat answer for every situation. Not everyone lives within four corners of a square box.

Instead of dragging a 77 year old woman out of her car, he could have recorded her license plate, got her name and mailed her the ticket. Instead, he behaved like a thug.

@ joemike404

This isnt about leaving her ID at home...she could have said that right off the bat and received a citation and been on her merry grandma way. She failed to produce identification by repeatedly saying "NO" instead of "Officer I do not have it on me" which says F U officer, then the officer CLEARLY states the consequences of refusal to identify which is arrest with which she replies"Go ahead". Not to mention, she also failed to give her insurance over which would have been a start. She refused to give up ANY information, which is fugitive type of behavior. Medical condition or not. If she was having a heart atack, I am sure the officer would have called in a paramedic. It wasnt that serious.

Debi - thanks for COMPLETELY ignoring how unsafe it is to attempt to drive while enduring child birth.

I can't believe some of you are defending this woman!

- if she is indeed frail, either mentally or physically, then she should be immediately stopped from driving.

- driving 66 mph in a 50mph zone is extremely dangerous. also, at that age, her reflexes wouldn't be as good, greatly increasing the possiblity of an accident and maybe killing somebody.

- if she had to pee so bad, why didn't she pee herself during the arrest process

- if the woman refuses to provide ID and then refuses to get out of the car - what choice did the cop have? Should he just let her go? I don't think so.

LOL @ Debi, Gregorovich

And what if he followed her home...waited 10 minutes..knocks on the door and she refuses to give him ID an slams the door? The officer is going to kick down her door for refusal to comply? Yeah, thats a much better solution. Then the cop gets to take flak for not following his procedure and havign to now get a warrant since he cant enter her property. NO, you dont want to follow the law...you will be hauled away like a law breaking THUG as Debi put it.

@ Creek Dog

It shouldnt matter if its your neighbor, brother, grandmother, mother/father. You break the law you have the responsibility as an officer to report it, failure to do so can result in suspension and a lot of other problems and can be a problem once Internal Affairs start investigating for failure to report. If it was his family acting that way to the officer, they must really hate him or be ASHAMED to know him for not respecting his work. He has a dash cam on which is investigated, it wouldnt happen.

canowhoopass:

You break the law you have the responsibility as an officer to report it, failure to do so can result in suspension and a lot of other problems and can be a problem once Internal Affairs start investigating for failure to report.

Either you are very naive or you just choose to ignore all the "favors" done for one law enforcement member and their family, to another. The law should be the law and apply to everyone equally, but that's not how it is done in the real world. It's who you know.

If that would have been a fellow officer's kid, there's a good chance the kid would have been given an official escort to the nearest restroom.

Her only condition is arrogance. Slip her a resisting charge too.

canowhoopass,

He would then mail her a ticket for not providing a DL or Insurance which you "have" to show up in court from which the judge would take over from there.

Trust me, his colleagues are laughing their asses off at this whole story. What a tough guy they must be saying LMAO. Officers of the law use discretion on the situation and have to make a decision that makes sense at the time. How do you think he'll treat a bunch of 12 yr old skateboarders after watching how he treats an old lady 3 yrs shy of 80.

He is paid by the public. There are times to make a decision where force is needed or not. He needs anger management classes. I understand his job is "very" stressful so after seeing his actions (even though she wasn't cooperating) shows that he's a ticking time bomb and needs a vacation.

The dashcam you mentioned, got this story out to the public "and here we are!"

Cop, pulled over this 59 yr old Granny and said "Thank you" as I already had paperwork in hand when he came to the window. "Where are you going?" We are going to see Madagascar 3, I answered with my Granddaughter beaming from the back seat. Cop said "Did you know you were going 61 in a 55? Why no officer, I had no idea. Cop says "you didn't know you were speeding?" Me: (Heavy sigh) Guess I have to blame it on the Flea Fly Flew.I said. "On what?" the Officer said choking back a laugh. The Flea Fly Flew. I answered with a perfectly straight face. We were singing the Flea,Fly ,Flew and guess I got carried away. The Officer handed me back my Id & insurance and suggested I drive slower, Oh and that I have a nice day. Then I really had to pee!

Moral? Good manners and common courtesy go along way. If I had refused because we would be late for the movie.... I would have been arrested.

This woman definltely deserves a resisting charge on top of it all. Did you watch the same video I did? She is NOT some poor little old lady with a "medical issue." When I "have" to pee, trust me, I don't sit there arguing or sitting for as long as she does...I am wiggling and squirming trying not to pee my pants!! She is a belligerent old bitch who wants to provoke the situation. She sat there and said that she would report the cop for "hurting my arm" which, to me, says that she is looking for some excuse to sue for a million. Or more. Who knows? It would have taken ten times LESS TIME to show her ID and be home to pee than it did to provoke this poor guy just trying to do his job! Yeesh!

Debi-1314897 wrote:

"Information on whether or not somebody has a valid license to drive is readily attainable inside the patrol car from their computer. He could have easily had that information before he even got out of his car."

You are deluded. How could the officer *possibly* know who was driving that vehicle? The most he could have done was run the plates, which doesn't identify the driver of the vehicle, only the person for whom the plates are registered. That unidentified driver refused to comply with a simple, reasonable, and procedurally correct request for ID, which would have provided the information he *needed* to enforce the law she broke.

Note to self; join a church with a terlet.

Second note to self; pick up a box of Depends.

If I don't have access to notes 1 & 2; wet thy self.

This is Texas's version of Arizona's SBwhateverthehellwegothere.

I can't wait until I'm at an advanced enough age where I just say screw everything.

Really Creek Dog??? You are too funny, add another 40 years to your assumption to my age! LOL...and yes I do have my aches and pains, however I do have respect for the law and when asked to show my identification of would do so. I stand completely by my post #1.72. She spent way too much time arguing to have any credibility to her argument.

Mo, I love your post!!

Debi and Creekdog--

Your positions on this are indefensible. Sorry but not only did granny completely bring this on herself, but she had every opportunity to prevent it from happening and escalating and she totally, and consciously, refused. Oh, but you say, show judgement, show compassion, what if it were your mother, blah blah...wrong, wrong wrong. You two must have an awful lot to hide with those attitudes!

You know, I'm not at all sure that failing to produce an ID when asked by a cop is even a crime! If her crime was speeding, then pull her over, ask nicely for her ID, without that cocky attitude that most cops have. If she refuses, use that freaking camera you have mounted on your uniform, take her picture, run it against the DMV's photo records. Problem solved!! The internet is your friend!! USE IT!! Today's cop cars are loaded with the very latest gadgets and gizmos designed to get the most detailed info on perps in an extremely quick manner. All he needed the ID for was to verify who was driving the vehicle, so he could make the ticket out to the right person. Write the ticket out and give it to her to sign (she doesn't have to sign it, BTW...once she accepts the ticket, it's considered served).

Then, say "Have a nice day, and be safer next time" as you smile and walk back to your vehicle. And, you will be one ticket closer to meeting your monthly quota, and there will be no chance of a law suit for police harassment! Now, how hard would that be, hmmmm?

What a GREAT Story and generally a GREAT thread following it!!!

Spiddas, #1.40- EXCELLENT!!! (Begging out, myself, from the specific "pig" name-calling; but to each his own.)

I can't wait to and hope that I will be able to get back to this thread a little later. After recovery from a mid-day-LONG-DAY-ALREADY NAP!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! to my GORGEOUS, dearly departed Sister who would have been 51 today!

Patches,

I needed depends on your #1.88 post. LMAO man! Heh heh...

savior,

Nothing to hide. That's why I say how it is man. Your post makes sense. Just not that she needed to be slammed around. She deserved being arrested only...

She's 3 yrs shy of 80. They all pretty much have attitudes at that age. This is why the cop needed to simply use his head. They're trained on how to deal with 80 yr olds pissed of ladies versus a 30 year old drunk weightlifter that would pop his head like a grape...

Think about it. No two stops are the same. Everybody's different. Yeah, she was belligerent as hell however, he didn't have to throw her around like a rag doll. If she'd had a heart attack at the same time, this would be a whole different story.

There are people posting on here that don't know what compassion is to the elders even if they piss you off. Yeah, most of them may be correct but I really hate some posts that say, "Fat ass old lady had it coming" etc...

I've had older people give me the finger on the road and I just wave and smile at them. Most of the time they'll smile and shake their heads as if they're saying, Ah, that crazy kids alright I guess. What comes around goes around.

Have a nice day...

For everyone asking "what if it was your own mother?" "Would you want your mother treated this way?" I say, if it was my own mother I would be pretty embarrassed and ashamed by her behavior, and I think the one getting the poor treatment was the officer. He didn't beat her, he pulled her out of her car when she wouldn't get out, which is the way one would expect it to go. So, like I said, if it was my own mother and she reduced herself to act in such a way, then I hope it would teach her something.

And for the record, I absolutely love my mother and we are extremely close.

Why are women so often identified by their childbearing status? So what if she's a "granny"? I'm so tired of women being referred to as "Mom" or "Grandmother" when it has no bearing whatsoever on the story.

Because the purpose of the story is to elicit sympathy and paint the big bad cops as unreasonable. In reality she was a law breaker who refused to comply with basic and reasonable police requests. Too many people today have no respect for any authority and believe everything is optional for them. If your teacher, the police, your boss, or even your superior officer in the military tell you to do something, you really don't have to do it if you don't feel like it. Part of our downfall as a country. Respect for authority is virtually non-existent.

I didn't read the whole story but 10-to-1 she didn't HAVE a valid license.

How hard was it for her to pull her frickin license out, and give it to the cop? I'm not a fan of cops as a rule, but come on....she was pulled over for speeding, cough up your license, the cop probably would have run her tag, and given her a warning....

She had a BAD attitude, and it's ALL on the video...she practically begged the cop to arrest her...

I wonder what her kids, and grandkids are like?

If she's too damn old, she shouldn't be driving...

I saw this report on the news last night. Yes, the cop should have handled it differently. But, the old lady should have given him her info. But, what u don't see after she got arrested "was" the police chief showed up . She, ended up not getting arrested. she got a speeding ticket and another ticket for something, which right at this time I can't remember.

When I have problems like this woman... bladder infection, diarrhea, what have you... and have to travel, I load up on Poise pads, Depends, whatever it takes to make the trip without having to race for a bathroom. It is called C-O-M-M-O-N S-E-N-S-E. Period. And I've never gotten a ticket for speeding for any of those reasons. Age should bring wisdom. I guess in some it brings belligerence and gripiness.

As some pointed out, if this problem is such that driving can be dangerous, she should surrender her driver's license. I intend to do that when I find myself making the first potentially serious mistake. I would enjoy taking a cab everywhere, especially with the money I save not having to buy a car, insurance, gas, oil, repairs, etc.

She had a BAD attitude, and it's ALL on the video...she practically begged the cop to arrest her...

In my 44 years on this planet, I've had to interact with law enforcement on occasion.

When they asked me for my drivers license, I gave it.

When they asked me for my proof of insurance, I gave it.

When they asked me if I had any weapons, drugs, or illegal items in the car, I answered.

If they gave me an order to get out of the car for whatever reason, or to remain in the car for whatever reason, I did.

Oddly enough, I've never been arrested, dragged out of the car, beaten up, or anything else for that matter.

It's rather simple: If you don't want to get arrested.....quit breaking the freakin' law!!!

It's almost ingenious in its simplicity.

Hey 2Parts....I think it was the old Troll....LOL

...he pulled her out of her car when she wouldn't get out, which is the way one would expect it to go.

Yeah, I seem to recall Nazi's doing the same behavior just because someone had committed the despicable and unforgiving crime of being Jewish.

For all those "goody two shoes" who are never in a position to behave differently than the norm and think the officer acted appropriately and professionally, your day may come when no matter how polite and mannerly you are, you won't be treated in kind.

The over the top reaction of that officer is just a microcosm of what is occurring in this country, but on a much larger scale. Keep your heads in the sand, until one day you realize you too are unable to breath freely.

Why couldn't she show the cop her license?

Randy & Creekdog are funny....Ever heard of someone lying to get out of a ticket?

I bet this woman uses that excuse all the time to get out of tickets...probably a pathalogical liar. It didn't work on this cop. Who said this woman is some saint? Because she plays piano at church? Huh, no liars ever went to church...cough cough.

Debi (#1.103): I just had to let you know that I haven't always been treated kindly by police. In fact, I've been in jail twice in my life. Do I hold it against law enforcement? Absolutely not! It was my own fault and my own stupidity. Why? I was married to an extremely abusive man and after being beat for years decided to take matters into my own hands. And who was arrested? That would be me. I may have been the victim for a long time, but the officer who arrested me still did the right thing. I also made the mistake of playing around with drugs for a time. I do not live in a "goody-two-shoes" bubble; I have, however, learned the hard way from my own actions and have grown quite a bit as a person since then. I would never go back to the life I used to live, not in a million years. And I would never act the way this woman acted or I would expect things to end up a whole lot worse. You break the law, you pay the price.

COmommy:

It's good to see you have grown as a person, but not everyone is deserving of bad treatment.

Just because a woman "talks back" to her man, doesn't make him physically stopping her from speaking acceptable.

The punishment in this case didn't fit the infraction. That's the bottom line. The officer could have given her the benefit of the doubt, that she didn't have time to find her license and insurance, while he strolls back to his cruiser, for however long, to run it, while she feels her kidneys are going to burst. He could have asked her name, taken her plate number and mailed her the ticket.

The problem is, every citizen is treated by law enforcement as if they are guilty. It sounds like a small town police officer, probably fresh out of the military, where they are trained that everyone is the enemy and to be out for blood. They behave like thugs to their own countrymen. Everyone is not the enemy. And those who are not get lumped in and treated as if they are.

This is the United States of America, not Iraq or Afghanistan or Nazi Germany. They need to remember that. Many have not been able to make the transition from military to civilian life.

Creekdog and Debi, why oh why do you think this woman should be able to do whatever she wants? is she your relative or something? neither my mother nor my grandmother would EVER dream of being so rude and disrespectful to a cop- period. nor my man or my nephews either for that matter. this woman was rude, nasty, bitchy, belligerent, and not once did she ever say she 'didn't have' her license. she has a huge chip on her shoulder and such a sense of entitlement that she shouldn't be allowed out her front door. nobody owes her anything just because she has magically reached the age of 77. I'd bet she was just as much of a bitch at 27 or 47 as she is today, with just as much a sense of entitlement. if she has dementia she shouldn't be driving; if she ends up peeing her pants then that's the price she paid for breaking the law but it isn't the end of the world. there wasn't much about her appearance that gave away her age, but no matter- she was so rude I was mentally cheering when the cop pulled her out of the car. there are few things worse than ill-mannered children of other people- but rude entitled old people are definitely worse

Debi, just how do you propose the officer do all of this?: 'The officer could have given her the benefit of the doubt, that she didn't have time to find her license and insurance, while he strolls back to his cruiser, for however long, to run it, while she feels her kidneys are going to burst. He could have asked her name, taken her plate number and mailed her the ticket.'

Did the officer know her name? Did he have any proof of who she was? Did he have any proof that she was allowed to operate a motor vehicle legally? NO.

Tickets are written on a face-to-face basis for a reason. It prevents unscrupulous officers from collecting tag numbers and mass mailing tickets to whomever they please.

The woman was clearly in the wrong. A reasonable person would have complied with the officer's requests and not argued. Like it or not, she brought this situation on herself.

The first few moments of the video is interrupted by the newsperson and we can't really hear what the conversation was from the beginning.

She claimed a medical issue that was causing a human malfunction. If the friggin ticket was so important and so criminal, he could have given her the benefit of the doubt by following her so she could relieve herself, and then taken his time processing her.

I'd be pissed (no pun intended) too if I wasn't allowed to relieve an out of control body function over the processing of an insignificant infraction. He could have, and should have, taken the high road.

LYING OLD BITVH WHO THINKS SHE IS ABOVE LAW. No way does she have a bladder infection, etc. that was a lie to cop thinking he would just tell her to go on. She could have peed at Church before she left or pulled over at a restaurant, etc. That is why she is lying - PLUS SHE DID NOT PEE IN HER GRANNY PANITS. Plus if she did have a bladder infection she would have been wearing an adult diaper. Again LIAR.

Church should FIRE HER if she is paid or GET RIDE OF HER if she volunteers, which I doubt it, AS PIANO PLAYER at that Church. SHE IS NOW A CRIMINAL WITH AN ARREST RECORD and a PISS poor Religious Person. (yes a pun. ha ha). And an extremely bad example for teenagers and other young kids at that Church.

Did she stop and think WWJD - NO, she DISOBEYED an Officer of the Law, Court. Did she stop and think - Oh, God is watching me - NO, she DISOBEYED an Officer of the Law, Court. YEP, this OLD BAT sure is a good Religious Person.

I hope she does sue - because that way, the entire world will find out she lied about having a medical problem because her medical records will be investigated to make sure she did not GIVE FALSE INFORMATION to an Officer of the Law, Court to try to get out of a ticket, etc. More charges they can get her on. And they can go back for decades and find out this OLD BAT HAS BEEN A BITVH HER ENTIRE LIFE and ALWAYS HAD A BETTER THAN YOU ATTITUDE.

This cop should have tased her instead of dragging her BIG FAT A$$ out of the vehicle. Cop was way too easy on this BITVH.

COP WAS IN THE RIGHT. I hope they went through her purse and vehicle checking what dope and other meds this OLD BAT was on and gave her a Urine test to check for drugs. This BITVH could have been carrying a weapon, hauling, transporting or hiding drugs, etc. any number of things to why she refused to COMPLY WITH SEVERAL REQUESTS, THEN ORDERS TO GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE.

She better be thanking GOD she had such a great police officer. In the county I live in, they ask you once and if you refuse to comply, they draw their 9mm and point it at your head and order you out and state you will be tased if you do not start moving to get out now and if you resist, you will be shot. PERIOD. And I live in an upscale neighborhood and in specially designed town - but the cops here are paid to uphold LAW AND ORDER and only the criminals are against them. They tase anyone who refuses to comply - age makes no difference and neither does being disabled, etc. Everyone is treated the same and their A$$ is tased if they fail to comply. Mostly outsiders and tourists who come to our area and think they are exempt from laws like this OLD CRAZY BAT. And THIS OLD NUT CASE BAT WAS OUT OF ORDER AND DESERVED WHAT SHE GOT AND MORE. SHE DESERVED TO BE TASED.

Again, hope she sues because she needs to be sent to Mental Ward to be evaluated for Severe Mental Illness. Next this ANGRY OLD BITVH will be saying she has a brain tumor that caused her bad and angry behavior problems and refusing to comply, etc.

Hope everyone mails Adult Diapers to the Church so the minister, pastor or whatever they are called in her Religion that allows its members to DISOBEY AUTHORITY AND THING THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW - makes sure everyone over 60 puts on a diaper so they do not BRING SHAME AND EMBARRASSMENT TO THE CHURCH LIKE THIS OLD BAT DID when they leave the services.

THIS OLD BAT IS A DISGRACE TO ALL REAL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AND ELDERLY PEOPLE THE WORLD OVER. No way she will be able to hold her head up high now. THIS OLD BITVH IS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF MOST PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. HA HA HA. ROFLMAO

Boy WHAT ELSE IS NEW X, do you know what the psychological term "projection" means?

Geez Debi you sure are sticking up for the old lady. Sixteen, 25,47,62,77,107 years of age the law is the law. You speed you get pulled over you hand the officer you drivers license, proof of insurance & registration. You don't tell him you have a boil on your butt so therefore you can't comply. She started off by being a b!tch to the officer he was kind to her until she got lippy with him. She thought she was above the law and she's a god fearin' woman just got done playing the piano at church. Say it was a 21 year old tattoo'd & pierced punk kid acting the same way, not a god fearin' kid that just got done playing the drums in his rock and roll band and refused to comply because he had to p!ss like a race horse so it's okay for him to get lippy and challenge the cop? I think not! The law is meant for everyone and that includes 77 year old old lady's wearing floral shirts that go to church and play the piano with a bladder infection!

stull:

She started off by being a b!tch to the officer he was kind to her until she got lippy with him.

Unless you saw a different video than the one offered with this article, there is no way to know how it started. We started actually hearing the conversation sometime AFTER the very beginning, so you're making an inaccurate assumption because you can't possibly know whether or not "she started off by being a bitch...".

Did she follow the letter of the law? No, but sometimes in life there are mitigating circumstances and ways to handle those situations where the outcome is a win/win. There was a way for that officer to have facilitated a better outcome, and he chose the low road.

We're not talking about a friggin bank robbery or a murder. She didn't produce her ID and he chose to get physical. For all those who approve of unsubstantiated physical violence, I can just imagine what goes on in their own homes. We wonder why our kids think it's ok to bully. They learn by example from the adults and she didn't get physical with him, he got physical with her. Fine example.

" He should have drew his gun and asked her to step out. Not open the door and drag her out."

Seriously? You obviously haven't a clue! An officer NEVER draws his weapon unless his life is threatened. Yeah, that's a MUCH better idea than pulling her out of the car *rolling my eyes*.

Next, all of you saying "it's just an infraction", yes, speeding is an infraction. Unfortunately, in Texas, refusal to present ID to an officer is a misdemeanor. Straight to jail. Refusing to get out of the car is resisting arrest without violence, another misdemeanor in ANY state. If you resist arrest, expect to be manhandled. I could go on and on, but it seems to me the officer had MORE patience than was necessary. It also seems to me that she was trying to use her age and an alleged, non-life threatening medical condition to get out of a richly deserved speeding ticket. Nobody complained when Zsa Zsa was arrested for slapping a cop; why are you complaining now?

Debi, all she had to do is show him her FREAKIN' ID period! If it were my mother acting that way I would have said to her (she is 73 and belongs to the quilt guild and has 4 cats) "WTF....ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS SHOW HIM YOUR FREAKIN' ID MA!" But you see Debi my mom would have done as the officer said and showed her ID, proof of insurance and her registration........plain and simple!

So, what State did this happen in, again? I didn't see the video so I'm actually going by the hearsay of the article talking about what was on the video. First move- Officer Friendly signals her to stop. Second move- she doesn't resist and complies and stops. Third move- It's on Officer Friendly now. What did Officer Friendly then do? Did he identify himself as Officer Friendly, Badge number ****** as "affirmation" of being a Law Enforcement Officer, as third move? Fourth move- did he inform her of what "allegation" he was stopping her for? Fifth move-Did he inform her that he needed to see some form of ID "ONLY" in order to fill out the citation for speeding that he needed to give to her to have? Anything beyond or before those five (5) moves is into Violation of "literally" the Fifth (Amendment), in tandem with violation of the Fourth (Amendment), ie The Fifth, deprivation of Due Process and Self-incrimination and The Fourth, "unreasonable", thusly Illegal Search and Seizure, and probably more, I believe. It's Illegal Search and Seizure to demand to search and seize her Insurance "effects" looking for other possible infractions, resulting in penalty to her for something other than speeding, (and it also forces her to be deprived of Fifth Amendment Protection against self-incrimination, at the same time). Or to run her plate number or Driver's License number and come up with other possible infractions, like outstanding warrants for unpaid fines, etc, which would be beside the speeding infraction "of this very instance, only" and would be of Illegal Search and Seizure, on Officer Friendly's part, then crossing the line over to Gross Violation in the Illegal Seizure of her very person. And from there, add heinous!

I just happen to have the Fourth right here: (It is a Constitutionally protective-of-Individual directive to Law Enforcement and Prosecution) "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and THE PERSONS OR THINGS TO BE SEIZED."

This Officer was stunningly inappropriate in conduct [unbecoming of an Officer?]....a.k.a.....MISCONDUCT, by violating that and whom which he "ABSOLUTELY", under ABSOLUTE Constitutional directive, should not have. It's really amazing how many People appear to not recognize and know that this Woman has RIGHTS. Is that because so many are unknowing and oblivious to the concept of having RIGHTS, just to begin? And then to having their own, and the very same, RIGHTS? Nobody has to exercise them, if they choose not to; but it's really outrageously heinous if you've been seduced, cheated, swindled and defrauded or forced out of having or being able to exercise them. And even more outrageous and heinous was Officer Friendly's support and training of Violations by Enumerated FREE_FOR_ALL (of them!).

WOW! Imagine if they "mined" White Collar Crime anywhere near the way they mine Individual's RIGHTS in order to OVERPOWER!

Debi-1314897, # 1.103- EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah, BTW, she never told the officer about her "condition" until he had already asked for her ID at least 5 times. Add to that the fact that MSNBC doesn't play the audio from the beginning, so you don't hear her responses. I could see her face though; complete disdain is what I would call that expression. He was also much gentler with her than he had to be. I also agree with stull; my mother would have complied. If for some reason she didn't, I'd say "mom, you know better".

Mystery Rhee, I will agree with one thing that you said. You did not watch the video. Next time, read the article and watch the video. THEN you can rant. Maybe then it will make some sense. Maybe then it will show some thought rather than the off the cuff accusations of officer misconduct. You are, without a doubt, exactly what I have come to expect on here. Unfortunately.

We are all human, which means not everyone reacts the same in a similar situation. Not everyone reacts in the same way you would. You don't have all the facts. You weren't there to hear everything that occurred, nor were you in that women's mind or body.

Just as there are decent officers who would have handled that situation much differently than the Rambo wannabe. The point is, it didn't have to get physical.

Yes, he really did. You don't have all the facts and you weren't in the officer's mind or body. You have never done the job. And from what I've seen, you hate the establishment regardless of merit. Kind of a blind adherence to an ideology, if you ask me.

Mike C.:

Oh yeah, BTW, she never told the officer about her "condition" until he had already asked for her ID at least 5 times.

I believe you misstepped on your first statement with:

Add to that the fact that MSNBC doesn't play the audio from the beginning...

We don't know when she first stated her condition.

And btw Mike C., it wasn't necessary to be in his mind or body; I witnessed his reaction.

I have no disdain for the establishment, but I do have disdain for the establishment crossing the line.

Watch the video. I mean really watch it. She doesn't say much of anything in the beginning. How do I know this? Her lips barely moved.

Rules (laws) don't mean much when they aren't enforced. A society without rules is anarchy. In an anarchy much, much worse would happen. Consider it.

"I have no disdain for the establishment, but I do have disdain for the establishment crossing the line."

I take it your line is hurt feelings, because that is all that happened. Maybe a few bruises. I sure that I've gotten more from working for a living.

One last comment: Why is it okay for us to be uncivil to law enforcement, yet they have to handle us with kid gloves? Maybe if they didn't have to deal with a***oles all of the time, they might be a little nicer. Next time a cop stops you, try complying quickly and speak to the officer in a pleasant manner. You'd be surprised how far that'll get ya in most situations.

I viewed the video, Mike. It doesn't begin from the moment he walked up to the car. You nor I are privy to that information.

It wasn't just "hurt feelings", unless you think bruises are not a result of physicality.

There are many times I have to deal with a**holes, but I don't find it necessary to slam them to the ground; unless of course they physically threaten my life. I'm a firm believer in our Second Amendment.

There's a time and an appropriate place for everything.

She should have showed him her license and insurance card. No more said!

If all you people who are on the lady's side lost a FAMILY MEMBER because an old man or woman was SPEEDING, would you still side with this old lady?!! Lots of people have been killed by old drivers! "Im sorry officer,I thought I had the car in BACKWARDS GEAR BUT I GUESS I PUT IT IN FRONTWARDS GEAR! HOW MANY PEOPLE DID I TAKE OUT THIS TIME?!!"

If all you people who are on the lady's side lost a FAMILY MEMBER because an old man or woman was SPEEDING, would you still side with this old lady?!!

Does the story really need any imagined drama? You can rest. Nobody's family member was lost.

Her only defense is pee in the cop car.

Kaleb and others,

I do not know what video you watched, but I clearly see that she started to get out of the car and then he grabbed her arm, at which time she refused to get out of the car because he had no business grabbing her arm like that and she felt she was in the right at that point to resist getting out of the car. And another thing rapid succession of command to get out of the car like he did without any time for compliance in between does not constitute giving several commands to get out of the car. That is one command and a whole lot of overreacting on the part of the officer. I know if I was told to do something in this manner I would refuse as well, because there is no reason to get this hysterical when giving a command, you give a command wait for compliance and then give it again, you do not YELL!!! GET OUT OF THE CAR, GET OUT OF THE CAR, GET OUT OF THE CAR repeatedly so that you can justify abuse by saying they wouldnt comply to several commands/requests. Once yelling repeatly happens, this causes refusal patterns, no one likes to be belittled like he did, There was no reason why he could not listen to her first and then explain that He is sorry about her condition but he still needs her to comply with his request for a ID! plain and simple, give a guy a badge, gun and authority and he loses his head and forgets all about respect your elders, becuase he thinks they owe his badge more respect than what he owes them. This is a fact and it needs to be corrected!!!

For all of you saying that the woman was a lying b*tch, a news channel here in the DFW area did an excellent investigation on this incident. They also showed the video from the beginning. Immediately when the cop walked up to the car, in a very polite manner, the woman told him that she had a bladder infection and asked if she could first use the restroom and he said no and was very rude. Also, the news team obtained the medical records for the woman and she did indeed have the infection at the time of the incident. Some of you are cowardly know-it-alls who have never been right in your life, but it doesn't stop you from making fools of yourselves. That doesn't apply to all of you. Mainly the name-callers.

myspellcheckerisbroken:

Thanks for the info.

Sadly, we live in a world becoming more and more violent, people choosing to take the low road with their fists, bullets and bombs rather than the high road with their brains. You need look no further than the majority of these posters calling out for blood simply because someone didn't produce an ID.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOoDhka67sU

Here is the entire video, and she NEVER asked to "use the bathroom" in "a very polite manner"

Actually the cop was VERY polite, when he first spoke to her!

Age does not mean she doesn't have to follow all the same rules as everyone else....she's just looking for a cash grab....sue the police.

You really need to watch the ENTIRE video, she certainly displayed an "entitled attitude".

If she were a black 18 year old male what would you all be saying?

I call HYPOCRITES

Jo-An:

You make it very easy to prove my point in Post #1.133. Unfortunately, there are many in this world who are incapable of ever getting it.

I still contend that had she given him the information and explained the situation, he may have let her off with a warning. He freaked out when she grabbed at her purse. Doorways are the most deadly areas for officers.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Catjmj,

I still contend that had she given him the information and explained the situation, he may have let her off with a warning.

I agree, I've been driving for many, many years, and I have been stopped for a heavy foot more than a few times. I have always been polite, and only received a ticket ONCE, even then the policeman lowered it from "speeding" to "failure to obey a traffic control device".

She was the one in the wrong!

Creek, you keep saying she is 3 years shy of 80. Well, she was 4 mph shy of reckless driving. At what age does it become acceptable to refuse to identify yourself to a police officer, especially when you have been pulled over for breaking the law? By the way, the woman received 2 tickets, one for speeding and one for refusing to identify herself.

You also believe the officer should take the woman's word for her medical problem and mail the ticket to her. Where is he going to mail it? What if the vehicle is stolen? What would you do if the woman had stolen your vehicle and the officer just let her go and mailed you the speeding ticket? What if the woman had dementia and wasn't supposed to be driving? Sure, the officer could have followed her to a gas station or whatever and what if she had an accident along the way. Who would get blamed for that?

The rules are there not just to protect the public but also to protect the officer, the department, the town and the state. If the officer didn't follow the rules he opens himself, the department, the town and the state to a suit for anything this woman does if the officer just lets her drive away. He would also open himself up to disciplinary action or even firing.

I have never been a police officer but I did spend 35 years in the Navy and part of that time I was a security officer. If one of my people did not follow the rules they would be written up and could go to captain's mast (Art. 15) or courts martial, depending on the nature of the offense.

The cop was completely correct in the actions he took. For those of you saying things like, "big man roughing up an old lady," unless someone was a powerlifter, they would have had trouble getting that old heiffer out of her vehicle.

I have zero sympathy for this old bat. She was driving, broke the law, and all she had to do is present her DL to the officer when he asked for it. That's the law. If she cannot abide by the law, then she shouldn't have a driver's license in the first place.

The officer did nothing wrong, but the old woman instigated the situation. next time, when an officer ask you for your license, show it. Stop acting like the old fool you are.

How so? How did the cop not use common sense? If someone over and over refuses to provide an ID, they just may be hiding something. This woman could have easily posed a threat - regardless of age. I guess I did not realize that after you reach a certain age rules no longer apply.

I watched the video. I thought his actions were entirely appropriate. However, for her, speeding 15 miles above the speed limit and refusing to show ID. Inexcusable.

Cool, I'm 63 now, at what age do I get to ignore the law? I can't wait!

Lug,

It depends on your ethnicity and citizenship status.

She was wrong, no doubt. But he didn't even allow her to speak. Hows about we find a restroom, come back, and I can issue you a ticket? We are talking about a 77 year old woman with a medical condition. What kind of asshat do you have to be to not let a senior citizen go to the bathroom?

Give me a @!$%#ing break. Use that thing between your ears and we can get out of this situation without anyone getting hurt.

Cool, I'm 63 now, at what age do I get to ignore the law? I can't wait!

You dont have to wait, just denounce your US citizenship.

Hallen,

And he knew that she couldnt be lying right?

What difference does it make? Its a function that everyone has to do and it doesn't take a genius to know that some seniors have incontinence. Although, like I said, common sense and all. Some people won't get it.

She should have handled it differently. They were both acting like arrogant dicks. The whole thing could have been handled differently on both parties that would not warrant article in national news.

We are talking about a 77 year old woman with a medical condition.

She didn't look 77 How is he to know her age? she didn't show her ID. I have seen much younger women look like her.

Hows about we find a restroom, come back, and I can issue you a ticket? We are talking about a 77 year old woman with a medical condition.

SO if I'm going on post and my 4 year old needs to go to the bathroom I can just run the gate and come back to show my ID?

Lugdush

Cool, I'm 63 now, at what age do I get to ignore the law? I can't wait!

You should have received that with your AARP card.

Hallen,

Seniors who know they have incontinence have ways to deal with their condition. They can whiz before getting in the car, wear diapers, get a catheter, etc. They can follow the traffic laws to reduce the chance of being stopped.

They cannot refuse the lawful order of a police officer, or expect the officer to hurry their processing for the offense because of an excuse which may or may not be true. Arguing about handing over the license takes much longer than just doing it. Every parent understands this, so every grandparent should, as well.

The medical condition is totally immaterial to the police officer, unless it is listed on her license - WAIT A MINUTE!!! SHE REFUSED TO SHOW HER LICENSE, OR EXPLAIN WHERE IT WAS!!! The officer has no way to know who she is, or if she is licensed to drive. When the officer mentioned jail, she said "Well, go ahead." This is consent to be arrested. She volunteered to be handcuffed and go to jail.

Fiirst she broke the law by going 16 miles over the speed limit. Secondly she tried to play the cop by claiming that she (a old granny) had a bladder problem and had to go to the bathroom. There is a multiple million dollar business making adult diapers now a days folks. Third she refused a lawful order to show her identification. When the cop told her to step out of the car she again refused a lawful order of the cop. What was he supposed to do let her go? Should he have offered to follow her to the nearest bathroom then gave her a ticket after she went? He could have always just shot out a couple of tires and waited her out? For all the cop knew she had outstanding warrants. Yes old people have warrants. She also could have had a kilo or kilos of drugs in the car. Yes dealers use the young and old to move product. Her actions were improper and illegal. The officer just explained it to her throughly. The officers cameras show he followed procedure.

This is the UNITED STATES if the driver makes a claim of a medical condition they are required to provide the driver any assistance they require and then determine if they are going to get a ticket not just assume it is an excuse and keep demanding id unless that state has no medical emergency clause in its traffic laws. When you are pulled over they have already run your license tag and know every thing about your history even the last time you were at a hospital.
I still have not heard how the lawsuit where the cop lectured a man for 30 minutes for speeding while his wife died in the seat beside him instead of giving him a police escort to the hospital as the law required because he stated it was a medical emergency and it was the cops personal opinion that he did not have a right to speed her to the hospital.
This is supposed to be a free country people are not supposed to be arrested because they forget to carry a piece of plastic proving who they are but it is happening even when someone was just a passenger and did not even have a license to show they arrested him for refusing to show what he did not have.

And to any that comment he should taser her they are only to use a taser in the same situation that they would otherwise use lethal force because it is not guaranteed to just incapacitate and many have been killed by tasers

Terry-they know the history of whomever the car is registered to- and the name on the title is not always the person driving (think about a family situation-car is registered to dad, but mom and two teenage kids both drive the car as well-police officer wouldn't have any information about them). Just because a female name pops up as he runs the plates and there's a female driver doesn't mean the driver has the name corresponding to the plates. That's why they ask for ID-they can't assume you are the person listed on the title.

Terry - how does a cop determine everything about a person's history, even the last time they went to a hospital, by running the license tags? Perhaps this woman was driving a car registered to her husband, or one of her kids. Perhaps she stole the car. That is why he was asking for her ID.

If you took a minute to watch the video, you would have seen that this woman did not state that she had forgotten her license. She refused to show proof that she was legally allowed to drive. This is a free country, however, driving is a privilige, not a right and you must be licensed.

I have seen the screen that comes up when they run the Tag and that is what was listed anything in your file they have a record of is available unless they are still using 20 year old equipment.

I think I would still have to side with the officer here, though he could have been more gentle. Elderly people with bladder infections can experience symptoms beyond urinary urgency that would warrant removing them from behind the wheel of a car such as confusion and delirium. I am a nurse and these patients can be pretty challenging to handle in the hospital setting, let alone behind the wheel of a car standing on the side of a busy highway. Judging by her behavior while interacting with the officer I would suspect she was experiencing some of those symptoms already. Cut the man some slack!

Terry, so the officer runs the plate and the vehicle is owned by the woman's husband. There isn't any information about her. By the time my mother was 77 she was experiencing some dementia as a result of some strokes. It would have been extremely unsafe for her to drive so we took her license. What do you think would have happened if this woman, like my mother, wasn't supposed to be driving and the officer let her attempt to drive to someplace to use the restroom and she ran over someone along the way. Who do you think would have been held responsible and sued? The rules are there for a reason. If the officer didn't follow the rules he would open himself, the department, the city and the state up to a suit for anything this woman did if he had let her drive. He would also open himself up for disciplinary action or termination.

By the way, just saying you have a medical condition doesn't make it so and doesn't mean the officer can fudge the rules. Perhaps, if she had a note from her doctor, that might make a difference. Oh, but wait! How do we know the note if for her unless she produces an ID?

She should have given him the requiered documents and then pissed on his foot.

Presenting id does not prove you are not a danger many police officers have been injured after getting the so called id from the driver. They already know your name when they pull you over since they run the cars tag unless you are driving a car owned by someone else or their computer system is offline for some reason.

when they run a tag they get

How many arrest you have had

How many tickets you have had

any outstanding warrent you may have

your name and a lot of other information

and yes sometimes that info is wrong or in error computers are not perfect but the officer is supposed to be trained to be able to tell who seems like a threat and who is not in any case that was not why she was taken from the car the report clearly said she was arrested for not providing id not being a threat to the officer.

One thing many of you may not know is when you sign the paper when getting your id you have signed a contract requiring you to show it when asked by the police.

The woman should have presented her ID. How does the officer know WHO she really is? So we say she's not dangerous because she doesn't LOOK dangerous, because she is a little old lady? PLEASE. Little old ladies in our state have shot people through the car door and killed civilians and deputies.

If her medical condition was that bad perhaps she should invest in some adult protection, it is common knowledge there are good brands available.

I agree that she should have complied. I don't know what the officer knew about her and what he didn't. She may not be the "nice little old church lady" she appears to be. Clearly she was not wearing her "Depend" protection.

If she was mentally impaired as some are stating, then she should not be driving, especially if she is speeding. She doesn't seem that impaired, she does appear to non-compliant.

I believe she broke the law and in a sense asked to be arrested. She was given many opportunities to comply. Speeding is dangerous, regardless of your age or medical condition, and not handing over your drivers license is arrestable in many states. Her age is no excuse.

She was not seriously injured or tased or shot (fortunately). She is actually fortunate that there is a video camera in the car. It is remarkable how they protect all of us (including officers and civilians alike).

Terry, when they run the tag they

get how many arrests the owner has had.

How many tickets the owner has had.

The get how many outstanding warrants against the owner, the owner's name and a lot of other information about the owner.

It doesn't tell them a dam n thing about the person driving the car if that person isn't the owner. In order to find that information about the driver, the officer needs the person's driver's license.

I understand what you're saying, but if she had just done what he asked of her, her issues could have been solved much more quickly. She could have made her case after complying. I think this video will be far more embarrassing to her than her incontinence issue (which is now public knowledge, too).

If she had taken 2 seconds to provide her information, she could have than explained the situation. She turned this into a big deal, not him.

Yes, where was her compassion for an officer doing his job? If he hadn't stopped her she could have hit some car and killed someone. If you get caught speeding take it like an adult. If you weren't speeding fight it in court. Notice she doesn't say she didn't do it, but just argues with him. If she had complied I bet he would have listened to her.

Regardless of her embarrassment, she was putting others in danger by driving 66 in a 50 mph zone. She had no right to do that.

then she should have provided her ID!

If she had to pee so bad, why the hell didn't she exit the highway?! (Well, it Depends...)

Seriously, the old bat was just being belligerent to cover what a poor liar she is. What, you have a bladder infection, so you can't pull your dang ID out of your purse? Please. She brought this on herself. Eat some prunes, lady... it'll clear that constipated attitude right up.

The police have protocols to follow for your safety and theirs. They have a hard job dealing with disrespectful people like this all day, every day, because people act whiny and entitled. If you're not gonna be respectful to an officer of the law, you freakin' deserve to get dragged out on your asp. (pardon me, I must have a lithp.)

Ridiculous excuses you are making for this woman's foolish conduct. She was caught speeding, which is a selfish and dangerous act. She refuses to produce her required documents as the officer requested multiple times, insisting that he "wait" or "listen" to her first. He tells her directly that her refusal to comply will result in her arrest, her answer: do it. What else should the officer had done in this instance? He did exactly as he should, including calling for back up. The woman was an arrogant fool who thought she was above the law. She feels differently now...

All she had to do was hand him her license and registration, and say, "please hurry I have a medical condition and I have to go to the bathroom sir" in a respectful way. That's it, that's all she had to do. She didn't.

Does she know how it feels to not know when you walk up to a vehicle you've pulled over for speeding, if you're going to be facing something much worse than a speeding ticket, and end up shot, run over, and dead? No, she probably doesn't - but the police officer does.

Cecilia: I think you are missing the point. The woman did nothing to facilitate her getting back on the road. I have Crohns disease.... a bit more messy than a bladder infection. I don't leave the house without knowing where the closest" facility" can be found. In my 68 years, I've never had a speeding ticket,,,, because I choose to see the road as a place where other people can be found driving cars and some pedestrians crossing. I happen to treat all people and even in some cases Police with respect. Being proactive helps me avoid problems like this woman seems to have invited. I watched the film more than one time.

She reminds me of my grandmother at that age. My grandfather virtualy owned the town they lived in. She was pulled over for excessive speed and acted just as this woman. "Do you know who I am young man?" He admited he did know who she was and handed her the ticket she clearly deserved. My grandfather made the young officer 'chief of police' and hired a driver for my grandmother. I learned then,that even the most powerful people are expected to obey the law. It's their job. The woman did 'NOTHING' she was supposed ( using common reason) to do. Not that any part of that was difficult. Indeed, I question her reasoning here.

My grandmother lived to be 104 years old and was much respected. To my knowledge, she never lost a hand of bridge in my lifetime... A sharp cookie she! and she made a bundle in the Commodity markets. She was not happy to be treated so honestly by the police officer. I wonder if she didn't want him dismissed and I think perhaps this is why he was promoted? I wonder too if perhaps she didn't set this all up.... She appeared quite the Queen in the back seat of that car. It's called 'grace'!

If you are polite and honest police are typically very nice to deal with. I was pulled over for speeding on the expressway out of state traveling on vacation. My daughter had to go to the bathroom and said she couldn't hold it. We were almost to the exit when I was pulled over. I begged her to try to hold it just for a few more minutes. I gave the police officer my license and proof of insurance. I asked him if there was any possible way that we could pull off the exit to the gas station so my daughter could use the restroom. He said yes, went back to his patrol car with my license and followed us to the station. He even let me off with a warning.

I have gotten two speeding tickets in all the years I have been driving. One was legit and I didn't slow down when the speed limit changed because I wasn't paying attention, the officer gave me the ticket and I was off in 5 minutes. The other one was in a speed trap area and I was travelling through and chose not to fight it even though I wasn't speeding (couldn't come back to go to court). But that officer asked for my license and insurance and I gave them to him of course! I said I wasn't speeding and he told him in a reasonable tone that I could fight it in court if I disagreed, I got my ticket and was off in five minutes.

If either time I had started arguing and refused to cooperate, then I bet I would have been arrested and would have deserved it. She didn't refuse to sign a ticket, but refused to cooperate at all. You would think in 77 years she would have learned that acting as she did wasn't going to end well.

If you are polite and honest police are typically very nice to deal with.

You try to stay polite 100% of the time dealing with the people they deal with.

I too have received a speeding ticket (guilty as charged)-I apologized and the officer cut me some slack -and as he was leaving he said "stay safe" and I thanked him. The majority of our police do an outstanding job and if treated with respect will respond in the same way.............

Exactly, Mom2Five! The officer in this situation couldn't do that because she refused to give him her licence.

Sorry Auto, I shoud have put a semi-colon after "If you are polite and honest; police are typically very nice to deal with" as in if you as the citizen are polite and honest; the police will be polite in return.

Where was her common sense to follow the police officers orders? I hope she peed in her own car. Next time she should listen.

Yes, she should have used some common sense. You're right.

Sorry, she was in the wrong. When the officer asked for her ID she should have given it to him

as required by law. Just because she is 77 years old does not excuse her from doing so. Age has no boundries when it comes to the law. My gosh he only asked for her ID. It seems like she was looking for a reason to cause a problem and say "I will call my lawyer", maybe she had $$$$ in her eyes. I am 72 and believe me if a policeman asked me for ID, you better believe I would show it to him. Not make him ask me over and over again for it. Something is fishy in Denmark....

I also have Crohn's disease and there's not a moment that I wonder where I'll b when I have to use the bathroom. More so now, I have to plan and chart out where there are public bathrooms to use when I'm traveling. It's an awful and yet uncomfortable feeling to find an alternative to ones' condition. With that being said, I don't feel that having a bladder infection constitutes disobeying the law. She probably would have been let go with just a warning if she just complied with the officer. There's going to be argument on both sides from the elderly being harassed to at what age should the elderly stop driving. What if the lady pulled out a gun!?! The headline would then read, "Cop kills gun toting granny over routine traffic stop."

Ok, so you're stupid...

Guess you've spent a few nights in jail yourself if you have that attitude with everyone...or just law enforcement...lol.

Thomas Jones-5963490 your an idiot, as is everyone defending this woman. She was in the wrong for speeding, then she refused to show her ID and insurance multiple times. How in any way shape or form is this cop in the wrong? Just because she is elderly, I saw one idiot said he should have followed her to a bathroom, lol, really? So every cop on every stop should do what s convinient for the perp? Idiots!!!

Some folks think that laws dont apply to them, I know a lot of older folks who get a little set in their ways. With the time this conserversation took Im sure just complying would have been faster. Officers hear all sorts of excuses and if this one worked Im sure it would be passed around and every stop of older folks would result in the same problem.

She could have shot somebody. How did the officer know she hadn't -- because she's old? Old people kill. She could have been driving fast trying to get away from the scene of the crime. The officer had no idea... he only knew that there was a person with wrinkles who broke the law and refused to comply.

So he should automatically know she was harmless and pat her on the back and let her go, despite the fact she wasn't following her requests? She needs to grow up and stop making excuses. If she really had to go she could have done something different and gone or not driven if she had to speed to get home. You wouldn't be saying this if she had run into your car and injured your family because she was speeding, and if you were the officer you wouldn't be talking this way.

She may have needed to use the bathroom, but there is no excuse for NOT showing her license to the cop, none!

Driving is a privilege, NOT a right!

Since when has having a bladder infection been a legal excuse to break the law by speeding and refusing to comply with a police officer once pulled over. She is just mad that her lame "bladder infection" ploy didn't work, she actually thought he was just going to excuse her speeding? Wouldn't be surprised if she used that excuse before and it worked, that's probably why she was so incensed that he didn't just tell her to go on her way.

How do you know she didn't shoot anyone or rob a bank? You don't. This was a simple pullover. She was going to fast and she escalated the situation. Had she handled the situation like an adult, she most likely would have gotten off with a warning.

A bunch of young know-it-all whipper snappers, just wait until you are old and have all kinds of physical problems. And for those who said "how do we know she did not shoot someone or rob a bank", oh get real there was not APB out for an old 77 year old grandmother that shot someone or robbed a bank. I have relatives in law enforcement who say with experience comes wisdom and some cops NEVER gain that wisdom.

"Followed her to the nearest bathroom?" REALLY off protocol. That's how you lose people or end up in bad situations.

I don't care what condition you have... if you're not doing what the officer asks, you deserve to get dragged off. If you're so worried that you're gonna soil the upholstery, pull the frak over and get out!

Really, she launches into her angry excuse right away... definitely sounds like a lie. She sure doesn't act like she has to pee while she's making her excuses to the officer.

America has become a nation of brutes and bullies who justify the most atrocious actions with not a wit of humanity in their thought process. Horrible behavior and hysterical over-reacting is now the national pastime. Police are thugs, the laws are draconian and America has a Prison for Profit system that the bulk of the public vigorously cheer on, delighting in the abuse of their neighbors.

Welcome to The Fascist States of America.

Had she simply complied with the officer, as is required by law, she would have gotten her ticket and been on her way. She, and apparently you, seem to think that age gives you special privilege in regards to complying with the law, IT DOES NOT! Period! And hey guess what? While I am not 77, I'm not some kid trying to denigrate the elderly, I've put in my half century. I have my share of health issues. Try having prostate issues and having to go, guess what? It is far worse than a bladder infection issue. Trust me I know full well. Guess what else? My prostate issues don't give me the right to speed or disregard the legitimate directions of a police officer either. The officer was well within his rights to handle the situation exactly as he did. Sorry Granny, the rules apply to you just like the rest of us!. And by the way, I'm no fan of cops, but I do respect the law, something that both this woman and yourself apparently do not.

@Siestasis- If you think the person in the car is innocent because an APB has not been issued on them then you are definitely NOT in law enforcement or have much knowledge of how hard their job is. A crime can easily occur and the criminal be on the road speeding away before any crime is discovered or reported.This woman could have just killed a dozen people and have been fleeing a crime scene and no one know who had done the crime so therefore no APB. Police have to assume the worst when they stop a speeding vehicle. And speaking from a not-so-young woman's point of view, women my age are just as likely to have a hidden gun and use it as a 23 year old.

This woman could have just killed a dozen people and have been fleeing a crime scene

WOW!

The Nazi propaganda machine has nothing on you. You're completely out of touch with reality if you think this woman posed any real danger other than being angry and belligerent, hardly justification for the brutality the policeman displayed.

By the way, I'm an ex-policeman.

Foolisly defending this woman just shows your bias against cops. I am no fan of police but even a broken clock is right twice a day. This woman was caught speeding. She refuses to produce her id. (Best way to escalate tensions). She then challenges him to arrest her. (Brilliant!) Then she refuses to exit her vehicle.

Such conduct would get a young or non-white person a beat down, but you think the cop was wrong? Pathetic reasoning. Real life encounters do not allow for genteel behavior, especially when a person is being flat out defiant and uncooperative. (It is never a good idea to challenge a cop to arrest you)...

its funny when i see all this about the law i know a guy i was with he showed his id and had a ticket written out when he said he worked for a cops father the ticket was ripped up in his face explain that sounds like the law is just for some and ZFLYNN u hit the nail on the head this world is heading somewhere terible

Siestasis, are you saying YOU wouldn't show the cop your license, if you were pulled over? I know those Siesta Key police, they'd be taking you to jail too!

She may be old, but that is no excuse for HER rude behavior!

Bladder infection my Aunt Fanny. If she'd really had an issue she'd have had an accident when she landed on her rear end because she wouldn't get out of the car. She's got no one to blame but herself.

She just wanted to get to a bathroom. I guess the cop was happy if she peed all over his car seat. I hope his granny gave him a piece of her mind.

So instead of alleviating herself in the church facilities before riding hoome, her best judgement was to speed home causing a hazardous environment for other drivers then failing to comply with a Peace Officers commands? Yeah real smart granny. Miss your meds in the morning?

@Siestasis : Did she pee in the police car ? It does not say anywhere. I guess she did not. Because if she had peed in the police car, MSN would have been the first to say and it would have been in the title.

KimY - You are absolutely right! Perhaps she never took drivers ed and thought she could still get out of a ticket with her good looks........maybe 50 years ago!

I've spent enough time on this board, and I'm done. I now believe the world will end soon, because of *moral majority* stupidity, lack of compassion, and sheep-like behavior.

Bye, Joe!