
A roadside sign in Indianapolis shows the 1930 lynching of two black men. The Greater St. Mark Missionary Baptist Church is using the sign to encourage nearby residents to vote.
A pastor in Indiana has put up a sign that uses a historical image of the 1930 lynching of two black teenagers in an effort to recharge the black vote.
Rev. Joy Thornton, the senior pastor of Greater St. Mark Missionary Baptist Church in Indianapolis, said he’s concerned that African-Americans have grown complacent about voting, and he wants to urge people to exercise the right he says was hard won, the Associated Press reported.
The sign, which has stood for nearly a week along the street in front of the church, shows, on one side, a white mob gathered around the teens to watch the lynching in Marion, Ind. Atop the photo is the word “VOTE!!!” Beneath it is the question: “Is this a reason to vote?” The other side of the sign shows an image of slaves in chains, with wording beneath it that reads, “Lest we forget.”
“[The sign] is to let people know there’s been a price paid for the privilege of voting,” Thornton, a black pastor of what he describes as a multiracial congregation, told Indianapolis' WISH TV. “Oftentimes people get complacent and don’t realize that people made a sacrifice, matter of fact, the ultimate sacrifice for such a privilege.”
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But not all like to be reminded of one of the most painful chapters in the state’s history.
Ronnie Judd, who was delivering medical supplies in the neighborhood when he saw the sign last week, said he found the sign embarrassing. Judd is white, and said he interpreted the photo to mean that if blacks don’t vote for President Obama in November, the days of lynching will return.
“We have come too far to go back to those ways,” Judd told the AP.
Mary Bishop, who works across the street from the church, said she doesn’t agree with the sign.
“It’s not a good example for him to have it like that,” Bishop told WISH TV. “He meant well, but he went about it in the wrong way.”
Thornton said the sign isn’t meant to sway voters to vote for any particular party, but rather to urge participation in November's presidential election. He said he believes some black voters have grown complacent because of President Obama's stance on same-sex marriage.
“Regardless of who you vote for, you need to exercise your privilege, which is voting,” Thornton said.
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Joyce Hise, who also works across the street from the church, said she didn’t have a problem with the sign.
“It was just kind of a little shocker,” Hise told WISH TV. “It made me stop to think. So many people don’t know, and they don’t realize this was part of our history, and it is a reason to vote.”
Joe Slash, president of the Indianapolis Urban League, told WISH TV that he agrees with the need to urge people to vote, but he doesn’t agree with the photos used for the sign.
Thornton, however, defended the shock value of the sign.
“I don’t think it is as harsh as the fact that when we talk about African-Americans being murdered and killed at an alarming rate,” Thornton said. “It’s not as harsh as the fact we make up about 12 percent of the population and about 90 percent of the incarceration. It is not as harsh as the drugs that we are being exploited within our communities.”
Thornton, who said he’s received two complaints about the sign since it was put up, has no plans to take it down “until the Lord says so.”
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Dear Pastor,
If you were called to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ then do that - but stay out of politics - you will only offend someone that might be attending your church that needs to hear your teachings. If you look at what your priority should be as a pastor you won't worry about 'getting out the vote'. I count myself a Christian and I don't need a pastor to even insinuate how or who I should vote for - that just seems to say that your congregation is stupid and can't figure that out for themselves. Don't go down that road. In my humble opinion.
Should we post billboards of black people robbing convenience store when trying to get people to vote for the district attorney? would that be acceptable?
His being a pastor, or black, brown or white does not matter... The point is, in 30 plus states the local governments have been making it harder for minorities to register to vote since the beginning of the year...
The is suppose to be a free society, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
And the right to vote is one of our most precious rights, which is, buy these new voter ID laws, being denied to some... And that is just simply wrong...
Why Terry? It is against the law in almost every state for an adult to not have a state issued ID. I have voted in three states and always was asked for my ID when I heard they were trying to make it a law I was surprised it wasn't already. No person 18 or older should be without a state issued ID period. It has been the law of the land for decades. If it's a problem for minorities perhaps they should high-tail it back to whatever country they illegally came here from.
How about a picture of the lines at soup kitchens during the Depression instead?
I was asked for a photo ID when purchasing toilet paper the other day.
mojo,
Did you take it I approved of the signage used? If so, you are wrong.
Talk about a desperate party. And don't even try to tell me this wasn't aimed at getting more votes for democrats. The progressive/liberals in this country have gone mad. You are making fools of yourselves by even thinking this kind of campaigning is right.
This Pastor needs to study Jesus as do most people calling themselves Christians
mojo7,
As for you comment about convenience store robberies and lynchings is that lynching was condoned and in some places legal and encouraged, whereas, robbery is not legal nor condoned.
Please think before posting. The problem with the Internet discussion boards is that people think they are smarter than they actually are.
mega
Have you seen pat robertson lately?
WOW I didn't know they had terrorists in the 1930s, and they are white. OMG who knew?
The "pastor" asked "Is this a reason to vote?"
Yes it is, for Romney.
Keep politics out of the church, PERIOD.
Skip the Rtwinger voter suppression law rants and look at the facts!
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/11/13236464-new-database-of-us-voter-fraud-finds-no-evidence-that-photo-id-laws-are-needed
Goebbelsian fear tactics. Axel-rod is surely smirking proud at how they caught on to his plagiarism of the master mind manipulator that got a nation to follow Adolph Hitler down the road to destruction.
Funny how the pseudo-liberal mob screams at any miniscule thing, pointing out the insensitivities, the intolerance , bigotry behind every blade of grass and under every stone......
And then proceed to engage in Nazi-like demonization and stereotyping etc etc......
It's all played out, no one cares to listen to it anymore, no one believes it. no one takes it seriously...
LoLzZz : P Get Real.
Nice starfailing....another NBC story....don't bother reading , we already know your source for truth is never correct. Good try though. Go back to coloring!!
Funny how pseudo-liberals (libtards, not to be confused with true liberals....) Generally pride themselves on all of the modern aspects of our world and how they are at the cutting edge of it.
However in this case, they prefer to continue to utilize archaic methods for voting procedures.... no I.D. for voting... Really?
We all know that if it suited their agenda, they would be crying for some modern way of registering the voter such as an iris scan etc etc.
The sliding scale of values and interests. This is just another example of why the term PSEUDO-LIBERAL was developed.
Yes presenting a solution for a problem in society is now a "rant..." Googling up your "facts" and copying and pasting a link means nothing.
to all you ignorant redneck who felt compelled to criticize the pastor for mixing politics and religion (how bout tony perkins, ralph reed, billy graham sr and jr, pat robertson, jerry fallwell , and all the other fat, redneck WHITE guys who freely mix religion and politics without, apparently, offending your sensitive natures), I merely ask: when was the lat time a white guy got lynched in this country? and when was that? because I remember BLACK people being lynched in the 60s and 70s, so before you post any more of these pathetic comments about the good reverend hurting your feelings, Id suggest you read a little of your great amerikkkan history and THINK (I know thats hard for most of you) before you post. otherwise you really look ignorant (although youre probably USED to that by now.).
"maga" - I believe the Pastor's point is to remind his parishoners TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE - not to direct their choice of candidate. Whether you agree with his photo tactic or not is not the point - he is encouraging them to do their civic duty. Unlike other 'Christian' organisations who are hell-bent (excuse the simile) on imposing their religious beliefs on everyone and every aspect of American Life, this Pastor is exercising restraint and providing a positive example (very badly needed I might add) of a religious figure not imposing his agenda on the population.
"If you were called" ?
You make absolutely NO sense what so ever just like religion. (or politics for that matter)
Grow up soon , we are waiting patiently and always will.
Crime statists from the gov.
people in jail...
800 per 100,000 whites.
2400 per 100,000 latino.
3600 per 100,000 black.
Tell me now who commits crimes?
Reverend Thornton has lied about the poster...*****Thornton said the sign isn’t meant to sway voters to vote for any particular party****.... IF not, ignorance is no excuse. He could be out there yelling "God damn America". OR maybe he is.
What is wrong with this picture? Aside from the fact that as a pastor, politics has no place in the pulpit, the race baiting and fear-mongering, etc?
UNOITALL, LoLzZz, it's clear from your screen name, that you identified the tendency inherent in the pseudo-liberal/libtard hoard to be under the delusion that membership in that aforementioned demographic automatically qualifies them as a stake holder in their sovereign claim to the intellectual high ground.
pffffft LoLzZz It's simply astounding to witness the power of brainwashing, .... the mass media model as laid down by Joseph Goebbels and copied exactly by axel-rod, with the only modification necessary being a changing of the names of the target, .... and I do mean target demographics......
They feed it to the public and watch them light up, believing that if all of those whom they disagree with were "no longer present...." that the world would be such a better place.....
So Much hate and only 150,000,000 Conservatives/Republicans/Christians to wish as early a departure from the planet as possible? Such a dilemma..
Starsailing,
See the article from NBC showing that there was voter fraud.
http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12834429-lots-of-litigating-to-go-before-voters-cast-their-ballots?lite
But Hinkle also said the initial state effort did find a small number of non-citizens who were registered to vote and the evidence “suggests that some actually voted in the past.”
I find it odd how someone could equate the deaths of people who stand for what they believe to something such a robbery, but I see your point. We all know that black people are the only ones that rob. It truly is despicable how these illegals come over here and try to make a better life for themselves. That’s right they should go back to whatever country they are from. How dare they try to improve the quality of their lives. That is truly despicable! But not as despicable as someone trying to encourage the blacks to vote by reminding them of a price that was paid for the right for them to vote. It really is amusing how ignorant some people are.
Pondering -
800 + 2400 + 3600 = 6800/100,000, that means the other 93,200 must be those ding dang asians committing all the crime is my best guess according to your math.
What is this talk of a requirement to carry a state issued id? Perhaps in Russia?!?
If you are not operating machinery that requires a license (driving a car, truck, motorcycle, flying a plane) the constitutionality of a requirement to carry id has been an important sticking point for many Americans over the years. I'd like to know what states your claiming require this and what the wording of the laws actually is.
You should know george pauljohn. The American Indian have been fighting terrorist since 1492.
Some people choose to live today...
Some people choose to live in the past
Some people blame others for their problems ...
Some people confront their problems
People who choose to live today and confront their problems always win !!!
Ha
Ha Kevin… it’s not math… it’s statistics’ and you can’t just add up the averages,
use the same denominator to find a rational number… Let me grade your paper for you “F”
Seems to me a sign advertising the black unemployment rate under Obama would be more appropriate
"People who choose to live today and confront their problems always win !!!" And people who forget History repeat the same mistakes again and again and again . . . .
Biker, I believe that it is not law to have to carry an ID with you at all times, it is smart to do so however. Also, an ID must be shown to cash a check, purchase cigarettes or alcohol, enter into certain concert events, etc. etc. etc. and to enter the DNC in Charlotte.
I don't believe it is at all out of the question to ask someone to prove who they are when they vote. I am tired of people saying that requiring an ID is targeting minorities. Do the minorities in question do any of the aforementioned activities? My guess is yes! If so, how do they prove their identity? Secret handshake, tattoo, password?
Requiring an ID to vote is no different than having to have a photo on your license to drive. If you don't want to prove, or can't prove who you are, you should not be able to vote. Voter fraud is rampant in this country and it only hurts all of us, it is not party specific.
Nothing wrong with the math. The numbers he posted show how many of a group of 100,000 people are incarcerated, not the percentage of prison population belonging to each group.
This post and most posts on it say; "If you are a black church you should stick to preaching". Unlike white churches who mix politics and religion religiously every Sunday. Give me a break! Sorry the truth hurts your pathetic weak spines because you don't want to be reminded what your great grandparents are guilty of but the truth often hurts and hiding the truth makes us repeat our mistakes. I think this pastor did the right thing. It is an in your face reminder of what people bled for. He is my hero today. Second only to Chris Stevens.
This is true, but many of these states are changing the id's that are allowed. In some, they won't allow a state ID, only a drivers license. In others, they used to accept student ID's issued at state universities, not any more BUT they WILL take a hunting license or a gun owners permit. And then there is Pennsylvania...Voter suppression law, done. This will give Mitt Romney Pennsylvania. They don't even attempt to hide their motivation. This is one election the GOP won't be able to steal, cheat, lie or buy themselves into.
f walsh,
i call BS, never heard of such a thing. can you cite something that validates this?
Every group but Islanders, Aisians and Native Indians? Whites dealing in cocain get a whole lot less time than a black dealing rock or pot.
I guess we should make signs showing blacks raping white women and robbing elderly whites for SS checks. Maybe even throw in a video of black robbing party stores and shooting the clerks for good measure.
How would that fly in the black community. I noticed these blacks and other minorities always do and get away with everything they accuse whites of doing.
They're pretty damn hypocritical race people aren't they?
I don't see anything wrong with the pastor posting that pic and showing people what African Americans went through is this country's dirty past! Yet we have people esp on the right fringe who want to go back to some fake great American values that they have made up in their own delusional head and world. Really people you want to go back when black people were killed for just being black and looking at white women or when women had no rights at all! This pastor has done nothing different than Pat Robertson has done except for the fact Pat has lost his mind. I said earlier that most of you righites are total cowards and Hypocrites and I still stand by the statement!
TEST
It would seem the pastor attended Jerimia Wrights school of hate, and he should have his churches tax exempt status revolked for injecting his hatred into politics. Had anyone in Romneys camp posted that posted the DOJ would be investigating. This clown is no preacher as christ taught forgivness. Race baiting like this guy is doing should be illegal.
When you have the Democratic Party in control of the House for 46 of the last 60 years, and Democrats in control of the Senate for 40 of the past 60 years, is there any question why racism is alive and well in America? Current unemployment rate among blacks is 14.8%. Our great divider-in-chief has done his best to pit ALL Americans against each.
The point is not having a photo ID, the point is they are making rules to make it impossible for some (minorities) people to be able to get a proper ID..,
Example: One of the superior court justices in Pennsylvania hearing the voter ID case today, the photo ID this judge has, which allows him in and out of the court building, would NOT allow him to vote because there is no expiration date...
Come on people, Americans have fought and even died for the right to vote... Denying any American his/her right to vote or making it impossible to get the proper ID is wrong...
I like it...straight to the point. And lets face it folks...the right wants to take womens rights back to the 19th century, They'll probabaly go after black folks next.
American socialist...
It is people like you that contribute nothing to the process.
If you think the right is after women's rights wait until the peaceful muslim's takeover
This just illustrates how racist these black preachers are.
God forbid someone show the TRUTH in our history.
No, we should all put our heads in the sand and believe bull-s*** historic LIES. Of course, Republicans also think that the Pilgrims shared turkey and pumpkin pie with the Indians, and Christopher Columbus was a nice guy. But I should not be surprised, they don't deal with facts.
But seeing how angry this makes Republicans, I fully support the pastor.
USMC28, you think you are lucid? to say you have better values, exactly what realistic values you have, are in practice for the better, or it is as bogus as your statements, blowing full of hot air.
"r murphy" you are as full of SHT as a christmas turkey! Though i truly hate to insult the turkey by comparing it to you! You remember the lynchings during the civil rights movement? Somehow i seriously doubt you were even a target for the misguided sperm that assaulted your poor mothers eggs when that wen't on! And were you not on here just yesterday with some completely insane rant about how... "We Americans".... the same country you now blanket associate with the "KKK" shouldn't give two cents about prince William loosing his head to the Taliban? Seems to me that your loyalties are offered up to any one or any situation where you can spew the most venom for the buck.
A billboard depicting a lynching in the 1930's used as a racially motivated promotional tool to urge black people to vote for a president... who by the way just happens to be Black,or at least of mixed race.... is as reprehensible as it damn well gets and you damn well know it and if you don't then God help whatever sad saps have to breath the same air as you on a daily basis. I truly wish you would just crawl back into that sludge pit you call a gene pool and leave the rational people to their work.
I do know white people were also lynched, he could have used a photo of that instead. It would still be relative to his message and be racially diverse!
Black clergymen have always made it their mission to be political at the pulpit. How do you think Jesse Jackson got thousands of signatures to run for President? They passed the petition with the collection basket. I get the Pastor's urgency to get people to vote but I don't the motivation. Black human beings like the ones depicted in the 1950's lynching, have had the right to vote in Indiana since 1869. Back then part of Congress didn't vote at all because there wasn't a sufferage clause such as a literacy test and poll tax. By todays standards it's clearly racial profiling. When they were slaves it was illegal to educate them and when they were free they were broke systemized share cropers. Fact is, no Democrats supported the bill and 3 Republicans opposed it in 1869. It's funny nowadays if you mention that to a liberal Democrat you get a " well that was then,the Republican's were liberal". Well what the Republican's did then was justice, and justice is a balance. It didn't mean to re-slave people of color for political gain the way the Machine Democrats have been getting fat for years in Chicago. What is the Pastor's message?
Divisive, inflamitory tactics almost always work against the cause. This sort of use of an old photo will sway many away from the supproted candidate. There are many crimes commited by blacks against whites, is this motive for the upcoming election? In my mind it isn't. I moved away from the Republican party for similar reasons.
Hey Pondering, way up there at #1.21, Wow! I can't even believe you did that. Wow! Don't you know yet the our legal system has nothing to do with justice? There are so many Black youth in prison for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with crime or justice, though everything to do with the legal system. Whoever has the best lawyer wins.
I'm sure there were a lot of responses to Pondering's incredible posting, but I had to jump down here and add my own. I just can't believe someone would actually make that kind of statement. WOW!
That man has every right to be in politics but he has NO right to spread hatred and lies.
Wire557: We really don't want hatred from either side and his "pastor" was wrong for doing what he did. There has been too much hatred from groups both black and white and it makes me sick to my stomach.
God forgive that "pastor" and show him that he is part of the problem. When you promote hatred you are part of the problem. His billboard promotes hate and he and every other hate group need to get on their knees before God and repent of their sins toward God's creation.
mojo7.......you said:
Have you (conveniently) forgotten Willie Horton? Here.....refresh your memory:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-9064720/killer-and-candidate-willie.html
If you choose to comment, neither ignorance nor hypocrisy is acceptable.
I wonder, though I seriously doubt, that the good "pastor" realizes that the Voters' Rights Act was passed by REPUBLICANS over Democrat objections and that odds are EXTREMELY HIGH that the people holding the ropes in his photos, like the founders of the KKK were DEMOCRATS.
As for requiring ID to vote, if you read the Houston Chronicle newspaper story about the 1000+ dead people who voted in the 2008 Democrat primaries in the Houston area.
95% of the slaves from Africa were taken to LATIN AMERICA or the CARRIBEAN and were brought there by HISPANICS.
The GOP use of Willie Horton was to raise awareness of the Massachusetts furlough program. Had nothing to do with race baiting. Can't say the same for this message.
How about charging this idiot with a hate crime...the way a white pastor would be charged for trying to purchase votes with the same ugly poster ???
Mr. Obama has done a great job pumping up his troops !
I am a liberal and I agree with your first point.
I'm a liberal and I dont agree with your first point, (imagine that, liberals aren't stuck to the same view )
It's one thing to promote hate and another to say "beware' of hate. not the same thing. I'll admit it is a tad extreme, but republicans have done worse in campaigns, So stop whining
you are absolutly right tony 268769
Americans need a jolt of reality now and then to remind us ALL where We came from, more and more I'm hearing works like Coon, Monkey, or Nigg_r and frankly I'm sick of it and those that use those words are REPUBLICANS, and now here they are trying to silence the people's vote, that sign is justified its shows us all where We came from and We don't intend to go back there, and I'm WHITE.
Meanwhile, in Chicago, the teacher's union is enslaving generations of black children in poverty through their archaic and greedy policies. 44% minority graduation rates, and 86% of 4th graders can't read at a 4th grade level, 6% of black graduates may have enough education to go on and get a 4 year college degree -- but the white male is a racist biggot -- right, right?
Uh huh. If there's a reason to vote -- for Romney -- it's because democrats have done nothing but enslave minorities through poor education and handouts for the last 40 years.
because you both KNOW that no white guy would be punished or charged with a hate crime for posting pictures of obama looking like a gorilla or any of the other sh*t you ignorant rednecks have been doing since the guy was elected. (for instance hes a muslim that was born in a tent in kenya ... you remember kenya, home of the mau mau movement, right? wink, wink, wink..... no we're not racists, not us!)
Sam - terms such as Honkey, Cracker, Nigg-- etc. have been used by the blacks for the last decade. It's just the libs trying to keep everyone divided. Afterall - that's how Jackson Sharpton and Obama make their living - by dividing everyone so they can keep things stirred up. This is just more of the same. Heaven forbid we all get along and belong to the same church. tisk tisk
As far as the voting - I found out my husband voted in the last 5 elections. He's been dead since 1998.
tony: president obama had nothing to do with this poster being up. Its a historical certainty and there you have it in black and white in your face, so there' s not doubting the mob mentality and open lynching of black men and boys whenever the good ole boys took a fancy to do it. It should bother you that its true, not that President Obama had to anything to do with it. In fact, he's proof, in your face, that "we" did overcome you all." I bet that photo doesnt bother your conscience or sense of humanity at all.
I agrre with you Tony! Absolutly!!
boy, the hits just keep comming incredible
Have you seen the posters at the Tea Party rally's, Obama with a bone in his nose, lips over drawn and ears flapping like Dumbo? Just outside the company where my husband works there is a billboard size sign that says "Obama can kiss our a$$!" (No dollar signs in the real sign) So please, don't get offended when history comes back to haunt you. If they had never lynched black people there would be no signs to post of the incidents and thus no reason to "remember". I am sure the swastika haunts some German folks too, but it is what it is; look it happened, no denying that. History will and can repeat itself if we allow ourselves to become complacent. That is what the Pastor means to point out and in his effort he has apparently hit a raw nerve.
I have been thinking the same. Let us charge him with inciting hate, promoting civil divide, intent to destabilize national security, treason etc. Equally we have to charge those nuts who made a movie to incite hate towards the US threatening national security and national interest. Most of all, for intentionally lead the US in a collusion course with the world against the biggest responsibility of US's high standard citizenship.
It may be so that we have the liberty to freedom of speech, but when that liberty is misused and creates animosity and hate to the extent it makes US national circuity and interest difficult if not impossible, then both parties should be charged of treason. As to the ... and Copt who promoted or financed the hate video, understandably has his own agenda at the expense of US interest and security. It reminds of the little skinny fellow in my early middle school who would pick on guys knowing he has some other big guy behind him. He does not do his own fight instead he instigates the reason for his larger friend to go and fight. Our troops may from poor to middle class and rest a minority does not mean we are going to commit them to every none-sense war.
lailatov
More Lynching Propaganda. Lets state some facts.
The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites were lynched between 1882 and 1968
It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out that blacks throughout history have had a higher rate of crime per capita. Thats why more blacks than whites were lynched. Anyone who studies history knows that lynching was a remedy applied to ANYONE that broke the law. You dont have to be black to be lynched. Get over it.
Lets remember that it was the Democrats doing the lynching.
Some of us must develop selective cognitive procedures, also k own as cherry=picking in order to be under the delusion, that we are adopting a fair perspective.
The pseudo-liberal community will be incapable of seeing this situation in the light that you suggested.....
Down with pseudo=liberal/libtard cherry=picking.
WHEN was the last white guy lynched in this country? and, was he ACTUALLY guilty of a real crime (something other than whistling at a white woman, that is?) YOU get over it, cause its obvious from your post that you are a racist redneck white trash clown. It aint propaganda moron, its a f**king fact!
How is reminding people of the past and using that as a warning against complacency a hate crime? Also, the same people who are trying to make it harder for people to vote vis-a-vie voter I.D. laws, restrictive early voting laws, etc., probably would like to see more episodes as shown in the poster. I'm sure all of the sponsors behind anti-voter laws would love to see more lynchings of minorities.
hey gulf coast tan... just how stupid do you think people here are? well, maybe sime, but your post is pure unadulterated horsesh*t and you know it. Geez, too bad you cant say @!$%# or coon, althoug Im sure no black person would worry if you used the terms cracker and honkey. In fact Im sure they wouldnt object if you used the terms redneck, white trash, hillbilly, peckerwood, etc, etc. Knock yourself out.
You mean like all the Bush looking like a monkey pictures that were posted back when W was in the oval office?
Racism in this country is perpetuated by the Black community. They are the only group who have 'leaders' like the clowns, Jackson and Sharpton who stir things up every chance they get. The Jews on the other hand are attacked and called the most vile names all the time yet they don't have 'leaders' who are out there stiring the racial pot. If a White man had put a poster out like this Black pastor did, and I use that word pastor lightly, he would have been attacked by the Black leaders, the Black community and sued by the DOJ. The Black community needs to start waking up and cleaning up their own communities (they murder each other every day) and their own houses and stop blaming Whites for their problems. They did go through horrible things to get where they are today, it's shameful, but they aren't using the freedoms they won in a positive way. Like the teachers protesting in Chicago....why aren't the Blacks out there screaming that they want their children back in the classroom learning? That is a constuctive way to use your hard won freedoms.
NO,
lets remember that in other countries Lynching still happens today!!
just ask the last ambassador to lybia!!!
yea, this happened almost 100 years ago!
as a society we have all grown, or have we?
the race wars are heating up all over what? can somebody explain to me WHY the race wars are heating up?
there is the KKK and the black panthers!
and both of them are racist turds, so what has a black person got to gripe about in 2012?
can a black person please explaine to me?
i am a white/mexican, i have been profiled by police, i have been harassed by them and pulled over just for the sake of being pulled over.
I still go to work and pay my bill and support my family!
SO...
what is your excuse?!
voice, why dont you RE-read my post so that you know what I said? last time I checked bush was white, and NONE of you fools wanted to see his birth certificate.... NO white guy would be or ever has been charged with a hate crime for publishing a racially disgusting photograph? why dont you deal with that instead of trying to deflect the statement to something I didnt say or even imply? try to look intelligent okay?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bEOiDjdhF4
Let's be clear that there is malfeasance on both sides.
Those that live in the past and feed the present vultures of diversity...aka Sharpton, Jackson and this gutter snipe is about their own agenda. As for me, I've gotten over trying to please and be PC. If you're an American...,stand up if otherwise get out of the USA by the first common carrier you can book passage on. I call it like I see it. Many Negroes know the difference between blacks and @!$%#s and refer to them as such. Work, educate and be productive to our society as Americans. That said, I would hope those offended would not cash or use the government support checks/cards to prove they are about being Americans and not Leaches on the ass of society. I'm fed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only message the bishop is trying to send is the price that has been paid by the african american community to earn the right to vote. My god people, where is all the hatred coming from? We ALL have to admit that the price paid was high. I lived through the 60's as a teenager and watched the civil rights movement every night on TV. It was horrible and unjust. And for all of us on this message board to use this to spew our hatred is just plain wrong. I don't care what color you are.
I think it's a more interesting comment on American society today that the reverend is concerned that today's blacks are unaware, and need to be reminded, of the historical injustices directed against blacks.
I think the sign says alot about how far we have come as a society, that people need to be reminded that lynchings took place at one time, because it is so removed from today's everyday life.
To me, the sign is not an insult, it is an example of how far along we have progressed as a society.
I also believe the reverend is misguided to believe that we will ever return to those days. The wheels of progress are not known for going in reverse.
Way to drag up something from eighty years ago dip @!$%#. These days will come back but it will be after the blacks and mexicans take over the country. Also good for you wburnes.
@r murphy-2908585
No, I think I understood just fine.
According to your statement, posting pictures of obama looking like a gorilla is among the “sh*t” that “you ignorant rednecks have been doing since the guy was elected”.
I am just curious if you beleive that the hundreds of bush as monkey pictures were also posted by “ignorant rednecks”.
The sign doesn't say "Vote for X". It just says "Vote".
To me, that's a lot less offensive than some of the Southern churches I've seen handing out "voting guides" the Sunday before elections.
Every "issue" would have the name of the candidate who supported the "moral" side. Lobbying? Or just "good religion"? I'd say that merited a loss of tax-exempt status.
Fear vote gathering, preacher man is lying. Hope he is not waiting for judgement day for lying like that. Just like Joe Biden was not referring to slaves in chains. Bulldinkies!
It seems to me if the pastor were truly concerned about the welfare of his flock he would post a sign advertising the black unemployment rate under Obama as a reason to vote - against Obama
It's called History. If you don't like it, tough @!$%#, go complain to your great grandparents.
What's wrong with this picture? Aside from the fact that politics aren't supposed to be practiced from the pulpit, the race baiting , the fear-mongering, etc...
nonsense. a hate crime is a CRIME that is committed in the name of a bias. but hating someone is not a crime.
Why is my first post censored? There is nothing at all derogatory in that about anyone -- it's FACT
Fed up,
I found your comment to be the best I have read in a long time.
really 1POV,
politics and the pulpit? like dragging a consortium of different political figures before congress claiming obama's started a war on religion?
race baiting, like claiming the first black president is from kenya? or a muslim?
fear mongering like claiming obama is going to repeal the second amendment? or make us communists? or throw you in jail for not buying insurance?
be consistent with your fake outrage.
That's a perfect image of democracy in action.
100 white racists vs 2 black teenagers. Majority rules.
In a republic, everyone has a fair chance.
I agree with the statement below the lynching picture ... progressive Marxist Dems have always used violence to keep blacks from voting for Republicans.
Slavery a Democratic institution
Ku Klux Klan a Democratic Fraternity
Jim Crow / Uncle Tom another Democratic institution
Planned Parent Hood a Democratic institution designed to control the the black population via aborting black babies.
and now the latest policies Democrats use to control blacks, first Dems make sure the schools blacks go are the worst schools, Dems get their parents hooked on Government handouts, perpetuating dependency thru passing down generationally, their communities are filled with drug abuse, violent gangs, hookers and no law enforcement ... their communities are truly Ghettos ... war zones where our fellow citizens, blacks, are condemned to an absolute useless life of caged dependency. "Cages"
And the black politicians like Dathans from the time of Moses, leading their people into bondage for a few crumbs off the table of power. Selling the black communities into bondage.
Sam - the only people I hear in the South using the "N" word are African-Americans. Why do they denegrate themselves and their race by calling each other that?
I have no problem with a pastor encouraging people to vote, but the picture in my opinion if totally offensive. And do not forget most of the idiots doing the hangings in the south were Democrats.
And I have to ask African-Americans, what has Obama done to improve your life?. Your unemployment and underemployment rates are the worse among any group.
Maybe you need to study history. Democrats were Hard Right back then. Since the 1960's, the KKK and other racists have turned Republican with the rest of the Conservatives.
Ray from Greenville banned, racist remarks.
No, thank you.
Not restoring comment # 2, derailing.
Comment # 3 deleted, death wishing.
Another example of playing the race card and the lunacy of idiotic religion mixing with politics. This is pathetic fear mongering.
This is following the course the White House had laid out. What was it, two weeks back when Stupid Joe Biden, the closet bigot, said "They want to put y'all back in chains".
um, yeah.....
May I ask a personal question, "does it hurt to be stupid?"
"This is pathetic fear mongering."
Yeah, there's none of that on the Right. I never hear Glenn Beck, etal, say "it is the END of America" if Obama is re-elected. They're just trying to do the same thing and get their base to vote.
I don't agree with it on either side, but pandering to the extremes is the new norm unfortunately. I think this election will be decided by the "undecided" after they see the debates.
CT-525835
DO you feel the pain??
If the reason republicans did what they do because of being stupid, they would at least have an excuse. There is no excuse for them, they know how heartless they are, they simply have no ability to feel true joy or compassion. That's why they became republicans. Their constant unhappiness makes them treat people like they do. Glad im not them.
thank you Jesus.
Tony-The biden comment was not a reference to slavery per say and the WH has not laid out anything of this sort.
Uncan- Theres plenty of this fear mongering in the right wing idiocy called a party but liberals should not reduce themselves to the level of those idiots. Liberal leaders have already followed the right wing economically selling out to corporate oligarchs we don't need to be anything like the right wing nut jobs IMO.
Thank You knidly for providing proof of pseudo-liberal stereotyping and intolerance.
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You mean we have all this money and can't even enjoy it..? Such a shame! : P
Have a Lovely Day
Indeed, it most certainly is.
This is just another in a long line of examples that show that Blacks are more "racist" than any other race. O'Bama is a joke of a President and is losing the election and is encouraging the use of the "Race Card" in hopes of getting people that vote for color to select him and it isn't going to happen. This Black Pastor should be removed from his position in the church. If this was a White Pastor, Jessie would have already be marching wanting a Federal Hate Crime Investigation. In another example of using Race and not ability as a reason to vote for an individual. Black people still complain about anything and everything when they don't have others hand them what they want but yet they vote for incompetent, and in some cases, out right criminals of their own race that rob them when they get elected. And them they complain and cry "racism" because they blame someone else for their Black Leader being a crook.
He is being paid to preach not play politics. Maybe he should start paying taxes and he will have be in the same sorry situation as the rest of us. Obama is a sorry excuse for a man much less a president.
Preacherman is probably another closet Muslim like Obama.
Midnight toker, playing the race card? You mean like posters portraying the president dressed like a New Guinea head hunting savage with a bone through his nose? You know like the ones at all those multi racial TEA Party rallies. (sarcasm)
Race card - or History? Along with Tradition you have to accept what goes along with it.
I do agree, that its graphic. but then - it wasn't pleasant to be on the recieving end either. It's all fun and games. When you tell it. But, of course - there's another side to most stories that get told.
Funny thing is - many GI's who were gung ho about killing Japs, at least respected them. Some brought wives home from japan, our Congress approved an apology, later token reparations and some how the there was a little healing. It'll never be right, but thats what wars are about.
JoeB-460595 -" This is just another in a long line of examples that Blacks are more "racist" than any other race". Since, they are the perpetual victims of racism!
"In another example of using Race and not ability as a reason to vote for an individual". Or, not vote for an individual because of race!
"Black people will complain about anything and everything when they don't have others hand them what they want but yet they vote for incompetent ..." Or, vote against their own interest to feed their racial bigotry!
"And them they complain and cry "racism" because they blame some else for their Black Leader being a crook". But, yet they hail the unethical, vulture capitalist, self-serving con-artist and career flip flopper as the epitome of American patriotism!
These people really need to turn MSNBC off.
Please let this election end! I haven't seen this much political hatred ever! I think Obama actually did start out with good intentions. I actually believe he wanted to bring everyone together and be the best President in history.
I don't know if it is the color of his skin or his political agenda, or both, but I haven't experienced this much division in my lifetime.
It appears he's going to be re-elected. I wish him all the luck in the next four years, but I have to admit that either way I'll be glad when he's done. I don't blame him for the problems in this country. He did, indeed, inherit a mess, and I don't think things will get better in the next four years.
Either now, or four years from now, regardless of who is President, I fear for the well being of the country and its citizens. If McCain had been elected four years ago, we'd still have a mess.
I unfortunately look forward to the day when we can someday, hopefully, talk about the problems in this country without being labelled a racist/homophobe/bigot/woman hater if you disagree with the party in power.
If Obama does get re-elected, I hope he will prove me wrong and somehow use whatever abilities he has to heal some of the hate that hangs like a cloud over our country.
Concerned - you need to accept the fact that there is STILL racism in America. And there is still a big throng of people who doesn't like our president because of the color of his skin. REGARDLESS that his mother was WHITE!
You need to realized that this country deep down have big corporations and the1% elitists in control of our government. Not only do they have lobbyists right in Capitol and government offices but they have bought politicians and the Rethugs in the supreme court. AND MAJORITY of these BOUGHT politicians are your GREEDY OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY OF NO who are now in cahoots with the radical Tea Party -otherwise known as the American Taliban. They have been the ones who had started the division of this country, by accusing Obama as a Muslim just becaus of his name before he was even elected in 2008.
Between these prejudice bigots - and yes majority of them are white, the vendictive bought politicians and the ultra/mega wealthy people in this country they have been feeding these non-stop lies, vile accusations and fearmongering. NATURALLY, and thank GOD, the left side comprise of Liberals and Progressives are smart enough to see these ridiculous but scary hatred, and fighting back because we'll be damn to be controlled by illiterate people WHO have started all these and the Republicans/ and DUH-BYA 8 year reign to destruction and the the true OWNER of MAJORITY OF THE DEFICIT!
So, hoping for Obama to prove you wrong - does not make sense at all! He has been trying all along and doing great, which is MORE REASON there is so much HATE on the right side! They just can NOT fathom that there is actually an intelligent biracial man that can do better than them.
And for everyone here - I cannot blame this pastor for putting this sign. With voter suppression and intimidation going full force. All Republican governors have changed the voting rules to supress the minority, the old, the young from voting! Aside from all these ID requirements, they have cut hours and early voting. MORE REASON YOU ALL SHOULD BE READY AND MAKE SURE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE. AND VOTE REPUBLICAN.
ONE LAST THING: WATCH OUT FOR THE RADICAL RIGHTWING WATCHDOGS CALLED 'TRUE THE VOTE'. They will be all over especially in swing states. I would really presume the hidden agenda is voter intimidation or worse. Romney is not a convincing to the smart middle class Americans, - so gut feel the ReTHUGS will steal this election.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/25/13473761-election-observers-true-the-vote-accused-of-intimidating-minority-voters?lite
http://www.policyshop.net/home/2012/9/12/states-unprepared-for-voter-intimidation.html
What's with all the surprise? Republicans are racists. That is how it is. How is this news to anyone?
juno6 Yes racism still exsist in America and on both sides There is now as much black racism against white people as the other way around. why is it so bad ask people to show an ID to vote many other countries do it? And you have the democrats using tax payer money to sing up welfare recipients to vote. That is because welfare recipient vote democrat because that is where thy get their money from. Talk about voter intimidation remember the balck panthers standing outside polling place with bats and metal pipes turning away white voters in Pittsburg and Philly in 2008. You talk about hate? 20% of the people in this counrty pay 80% of the taxes, much of which supports people who refuse to work and provide for themselves and their families, like the black man in tennessee who has 30 kids with 11 differnet women all of whom are on welfare and food stamps. As Thomas Jefferson said. "Democracy will cease to exsist when you take from those who are willing to work and give it to those who would not"
Why can't some blacks just move on. We are way past slavery and hangings. If anything the white race is the minority. I'm pretty sure most of the slaves are dead and gone. Its like America still owes the blacks something. Quit playing the RACE card. Another example of a person with a CLOSED mind.
I am currently unable to answer that question with out getting moderated.
moreed when black people are treated like white people, there wont be a Race card. Too bad I can't make you black for a day or so.
Thanks for saying SOME blacks and not lumping us all in one category. I agree that this poster is out of line. If he really wanted to inspire change in the African-American community, he'd give up some of his church funds for college scholarships and encourage the kids to stay in school and ask that the parents improve their role in their kids life. There are better ways of encouraging change than scaring the living crap out of people and bringing up horrific memories.
"If he really wanted to inspire change in the African-American community, he'd give up some of his church funds for college scholarships and encourage the kids to stay in school and ask that the parents improve their role in their kids life."
How do you know that he doesn't? The reality that many don't seem to grasp is that there is a reason for the "voter suppression" techniques going on in some of the states. Republicans understand the power of the vote and in electing officials that will actually do the things to better all of America, not just the wealthy or the white; ALL of us. I know many black churches that mentor black kids or any child that is a member of their church. What better way to mentor than to encourage black Americans to vote? Blacks didn't always have that right, similar to the fact that women didn't always have the right. If there were a candidate that was seemingly trying to suppress the female vote, then pointing out historically what occured before women had the right could stir the need in women to vote. History will repeat itself if we allow ourselves to be complacent and to think that somehow we have overcome because we have a black President. This is an illusion that the uneducated amongst us might fall for, but believe me, racism is more blatent and occurs more often now than it has in the past 50 years.
Most ancestors of Americans weren't even on this continent at the time Yo.
16 States have openly enacted voter suppression laws that restrict minority, mainly A.A.'s and Latino voters, while saying that are stopping voter fraud. When questioned they cannot produce any evidence to support their claims. A black teenager was killed in Florida for walking through a neighborhood. In Baltimore a black teen was beaten by "neighborhood watch" for walking through their area. An A.A. man was dragged to death behind a pick up truck because they wanted to drag a black man to death. Police can profile stop any black person no reason needed. Blacks can be discriminated at jobs, for houses, for political territory, for news stories or just because some white guy feels like it.
The bigot statements in these posts speak of what white America is like. You consider yourselves so pure and superior. News flash; white people steal, lie, kill often, rape men, women and children, use drugs, sell drugs, buy drugs and go to jail. White people are on welfare, medicare, social security and need health-care. White people need insurance, credit relief, loans and government handouts. Every bigoted ignorant think you can think of about A.A.'s or any other minority -white folks are doing it also. It's just not as news worthy.
And before you talk about the number of blacks in prison, there are more whites in prison than any other group. blacks get a disproportionate amount of time and have a disproportionate amount of people but there are more of you in jail in spite of the oppurtunities whites hold out for one another. A.A.'s are 12 to 14% of the population but they get the voter suppression laws.
You love talking about this country's great constitution - try reading the damn thing sometime! especially the 13th, 15th and 24th amendments. Then go to your Nazi party meeting.
There is no species on Earth which only seeks "equality...."
We see it in nature and in humans of every race. The race card will be played as long as humans are organized into groups.
uninsured-guy:
That's because the majority who don't follow the laws to vote legally are not white.
uninsured guy --- get a job and start supporting yourself. You have had more free opportunities in education, job placement, housing, out right free money - and apparently you choose to do something else. White America is tired of supporting those who refuse to support themselves now Black America needs to support themselves and Black America is not upto the task and are crying "Racism". Blacks that still blame Slavery for their failures will continue to be failures for generations to come. Those that take every opportunity to blame others for their lack of advancement when they have only themselves to blame. Luckily there is a small group of Black America that did take advantage of what was offered to them and are very successful. This group is the only hope for Black America. These are that population of Black America that move as far away from Black neighborhoods to get away from the Criminals, Drugs and the Dealers and want a "better life" for their children.
Ploltical, I'd like to see your link on your claim that most who don't follow the law to vote legally are not white. By far the biggest number of voter fraud cases involve absentee ballots, not voter ID fraud. (There's been 10 only cases nationwide of voter ID fraud since 2000, and 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud). Most absentee ballots are used by the military and by expatriates. Do you really think most of them are not white? Hard to believe. I'd like to see some proof.
http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2012/08/cases-voter-id-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent
I hate to burst your bubble those who thought they voted for the first black president , he is not all black , He had a white mom and as he said he also had a typical white woman for a grandmother, he happens to be a black cracker.
Unless YOU'RE black, you have no ability to feel their pain. The pastor is blunt, but 100% correct. VOTE.
Because they're Racists They want Whitey to feel sorry for something well over 100 years ago. They want the tensions between White and Black to exist so they can exploit it. They cannot accept that their lives are better today then they ever were in the past. Yes that is why there is a seperation of church and state in this country. So clowns like this get put in their place. Stick to religion preacher. Leave politics to the polititians.
They need to stop absentee ballots. This merely allows the Obama supporters another way to cast fraudulent votes. They are desperate to keep Obama in so they can continue getting their food stamps and welfare checks, plus all the other benefits that the taxpayers are having to pay for.
Anyone Besides Obama -2012
Redundant ... We could figure that out from the text of the message. But thanks for the Yellow Rose, it made the dinner so, festive and Oh, ... Chic.
So, now - you want our soldier, our men fighting for "your sorry wrecked him" from voting too? Each soldier is allowed an absentee ballot - so he can exercise his franchise, in his home state - whether he is stationed in another state or another country. You want your Granny to stop voting too? They regularly send absentee ballots to Nursing homes, Assisted Living complexes - no doubt - their kids "might" be filling out the ballots "for" Mom or Dad - but then, thats to be expected. Just like when you fill out an insurance form and sign it for your 1 year old.
The only thing you get with more rules,... is justification for- wait for it!...More rules, 'cause once you sit down and thing about it hard enough - you can figure out how some one else can get away with what YOU- just thought about when defrauding the government?
It is a bit ridiculous to ask "why can't blacks move on". The answer is pretty simple, we have Republicans that still, over 100 years later, wanti to put them back in chains. Only this time, they want to add gays, cops, firemen, teachers, Hispanics, and the middle class as slaves on their plantations as well.
How often do people say "How could the German people have let Nazi Germany happen?". Well, now American people are seeing how it all starts.
Yes, the Democrats don't want them escaping from their own plantation.
Moreed; your statement is no less of a race card. I'd classify the Pastors actions more along the lines of playing the Fear Card - and what party is better at playing the fear card than you know who?
You really need to go back to school. The Republican Party is the party of Emancipation. The Klu Klux Klan was an offspring of the Democratic party. Most Democrats voted Against freeing slaves. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, and he was a Republican!
Try using facts next time.
OeterK You are a moron their is not one Republican that would want to put blacks in chains this just goes to show how stupid a lot of Americans are and how the news people need to stay out of politics because you type of people believe what ever you hear on TV and do not check anything for your self's You type of people are the reason we are in the place we are and most young people are to lazy to do anything for them self's and it is the baby boomers parents fault
@OeterK You have no idea what you are talking about.
What? This lynching occurred in 1930 in a Northern state? How is that possible? According to most liberals racism and especially racial violence occur only in Southern states. The most interesting detail is all of the northerners standing around watching the black teens hanging from the tree. Yes we can see how tolerant the north was and still is. The main point is that racism occurs in every region not just the south and it is time people remembered that. Also, people that disagree with Obama's policies are not racist either. It is a convenient built in excuse for failure but it is not true. If as many people in this country were as racist as the liberals would have you believe Obama would have never been elected.
Abraham Lincoln would no more support today's Republicans than Jesus would support today's Christians. Are you having problems finding a more recent hero? Both parties are constantly getting busted for having illegals working in their homes...wake up to reality, our leaders don't give a crap about your ideals.
JoeB-460595
uninsured guy --- get a job and start supporting yourself. You have had more free opportunities in education, job placement, housing, out right free money - and apparently you choose to do something else. White America is tired of supporting those who refuse to support themselves now Black America needs to support themselves and Black America is not upto the task and are crying "Racism".
Joe,
What an idiotic statement. uninsured guy gives you facts and truths and all you can do is whine. The only one crying "racism" is you. Grow up. Your last statement is totally bogus. There are more WHITES on welfare, food stamps, etc. than blacks and if you'd pull your head out of your rectum you'd realize something else.....the majority of those folks are right wing cons just like yourself. Maybe the next time your in church you should LISTEN and LEARN exactly what Christ was all about because you certainly don't understand Him now.
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Greyghost-2859754
You really need to go back to school. The Republican Party is the party of Emancipation. The Klu Klux Klan was an offspring of the Democratic party. Most Democrats voted Against freeing slaves. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, and he was a Republican!
Try using facts next time.
grayghost,
Maybre YOU should get the facts BEFORE you post. Lincoln freed only the slaves in areas under Confederate control. Slaves in border states, northern states and the areas in southern states under Federal control WERE NOT freed by Lincoln.
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Rangewolf
They need to stop absentee ballots. This merely allows the Obama supporters another way to cast fraudulent votes. They are desperate to keep Obama in so they can continue getting their food stamps and welfare checks, plus all the other benefits that the taxpayers are having to pay for.
rangewolf,
You know they used to have poll taxes and questioning to keep certain segments from voting. I propose the same on here to keep imbeciles like you from posting on here until they can prove they have a high enough intelligence level. Your post os sooooooo freaking stupid you'd never pass and we'd never have to listen to such drivel.
Do us and this country a favor in Nov-----stay the @&*! at home. You sir ARE the problem.
Some of you people are so incredibly stupid it scares me that you HAVE the right to vote! I don't believe the ignorance I see here! How can you say that this ignorant sign is not to scare people into thinking this could happen again! There are a million other ways to get people to vote rather than make them think they will be hung! WTH! If ANYONE other than a black person put that poster up there would be riots in the streets! The double standards have to stop! If these pictures are offensive to anyone they should not be used in ANY way! Why do I keep hearing bull repeated over and over that has no basis of truth? What is with this voter suppression????????? That NEVER happened! There were people mad because the polls were closing and they couldn't vote, YES they do have closing hours and you usually have DAYS ahead that you can go, none of that bull that the line was too long. If someone was physically standing there holding someone back when they should have been able to vote why haven't we seen pictures??? They don't exist! YES SORRY but you DO have to show that you are who you say you are to vote! Why is that suppression? You don't drive, you get a state ID card. You have to do like EVERYONE else that is ALLOWED to vote and REGISTER to vote MONTHS ahead to get your card and know where you are supposed to vote! That is not suppressing! Its the same DA*M system they have used for many many many years! Why is it just now that you think there is an issue? And guess what, Why do you think anyone that is NOT a legal citizen should be allowed the vote on the outcome of our presidency??? WHY? You people are like babies!!!! All that "hanging chad" crap was so hilarious! How brain damaged do you have to be to not know how to push a pointer through a piece of paper? Here we have to fill in the middle of a broken arrow line to point at the candidate! How many of you would be able to do that? If you can't handle something a kindergartener could do then your not smart enough to vote! If your ignorant you can't vote thats all there is to it! Stop whinning and crying and do what your supposed to do and follow the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You believe any bull you read or hear then we are all doomed! We will always be at eachothers throats until we all kill eachother! Its in there best interest that you HATE the other guy so you will vote for them and then NONE of us win just the man sitting in the White House that got his way! You people are scary!!!!!!!!!!!
What a bunch of really mindless drival you have written--YOU are the scary one.
Uninsured,
It is quite true that there are a lot of white people in poverty, prison, etc. Of course there are far more white people, so that's not really a helpful statement. Looks good when you don't think about it though. Far more important are the percentages. For all the categories mentioned in your rant the percentages of the white population are far, far lower. Some of that can be written off as systematic racism, but not all. Ignoring the fact that there are far more dynamics involved than just racial lines - after all not all members of any race share the same backgrounds, culture, or nation of ancestry (even white people), there are some trends that can be seen. The percentage of the white population in prison is several times lower than that of the black population. The percentage on welfare is also lower. White America has the lowest abortion rate while also holding the second lowest unwed birth rate (asian Americans have the lowest unwed birth rate by a couple points, but this is due mainly to having the second highest abortion rate). In both these categories african Americans have the highest percentage, by quite a large margin. This is not an inherent racial quality of either group, but an aspect of their respective subcultures.
Yes, white culture in America has some serious social/cultural problems. The photos the pastor put up are good examples from the past, and some of the comments on these boards dripping with hate and ignorance serve as more modern ones. That said, as I have pointed out there are also areas in which white American culture has done well. Let's try to keep that in mind and try not to be just as hateful and ingnorant towards white culture as you claim white people are of everyone else's.
The comment regarding this being about something that "was well over 100 years ago" made me decide to provide a brief account of some of the things in our more recent history.
WW I the black men of this country, who fought for this country, were not allowed to be with the white men. They had seperate regiments,seperate quarters, ...
The poem "Strange Fruit", which latter became a song, was written in the 1930s. It was about the lynching of black men.
WW II ditto WW I
In 1948 President Truman signed an executive order to eliminate segregation in the armed services.
On Dec 1, 1955 Rosa Parks refused to sit at the back of the bus. Black children could not attend the schools that white children went to, could not drink at a white folks drinking fountain, ...
Condoleezza Rice was born in 1954. When she spoke at the RNC this year she mentioned that as a young girl she and her family could not go into Woolworths to eat a sandwich. Books were published for African American families who went on vacations, traveled to see family, etc., that listed places they could go and places they could not go.
President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The Voting Rights Act of 1965 baned poll taxes and other ways used to prevent Southern blacks from registering to vote and voting.
Just last year a group of people were elected to a certain school board district in North Carolina and proceeded to re-segregate the schools in that district.
Nothing like a little history and facts.
Bird watcher, so you're saying that this whole score will NEVER be settled, right? Eternal quotas, letting dead people vote, letting individuals vote numerous times, and all these things are just the price it's going to cost for all those years ago?
How come Jews can have a slogan "never forget" but black people are supposed to forget their brutal history which only started to wane about 45 years ago?
More power too him. Our countries past isn't always pretty and he makes a good point with his sign. It might be shocking and it might be shameful to some (might/should?) but it illustrates why it's so important that we take part in the process.
"He makes a good point with his sign."
Give me a break !
Viva La Duetschland
What's his point?... If the blacks don't vote for thier HALF Black president, then all the wites asre going to line up and lynch them all?
The point is, if they don't keep republicans out, we may just return to jim crow laws. Now tell me most republicans don't think black people are less then they are. go ahead, I dare you lol
Times-Running-Out
are you in distress?? if not change your flag
Some people take it in a different way, maybe because it's true, here We argue every single day and We can't understand why the REPUBLICANS can't and don't want to grasp the truth and our conclusion is they have to be RACIST or BIGOTS and I stand by that conclusion because there is NO ONE that can be that stupid and deny the truth that is so plain as the nose on their face but here they are day in and day out.
Every one out there calling republicans bigots, racists, etc. Please go and read up on our history. The Democratic party is the party of Racism and Segregation. How is it that 95% of blacks vote democrat when the democratic party is the party of racism. Everyone needs to read the real history of this nation. Go to the public library and check out a book on Jim Crow Laws. Some blacks want to play the race card when they have no idea what they are talking about. Knowledge is power and you will never truly be free until you absorb that knowledge. Read a book, free yourself from the liberal agenda to drive every person into poverty.
The "TRUTH..." according to you is not necessarily the truth.
Your mind is permeated with the dogma of axel-rod.
It's not as simple as you "think...." it is.
Don't spend much time with conservative people do you?
I suggest you go break some bread with some of them, go out and do something together, you will find them to be much more human than you have bee led by the nose to believe.
Not every Republican is a repug and not every Liberal is a libtard, although every pseudo-liberalis, it's a synonym.
Are you surprised that someone who disagrees with you knows such a big word Mr. libtard?
@Tyler
As I mentioned to Bellagio up higher, you wanna play the history card, don't omit anything. Yes, the Democratic Party used to be the less progressive party, mostly due to the fact that it used to be the home of the conservative, southern base, but in the last forty years, that base has switched parties, and those of us who have been paying attention know that.
WOW...if I (white) did that....holy toledo...Obie's Bud Eric and the Gov would be on my butt soooo fast and then I would have to go to court and then I would have to sell my house....Hey, this guy is guilty...rev or no...I thought the revs and pastors just loaded up the flock - after telling them who to vote for - and taking them by the car load to the polls....to vote...then on the way back, they got their money. I know that's happened in the South....
digger...
Despite the article about that idiot pastor and his hateful sign used simply for urging his 'flock' to vote for Mr. Obama and all other Democrats...you will end up being the one Newsviners will call "racist".
Get ready for the attack of the lemmings !
digger, but when pat Robertson claimed that hurricane Katrina was "god's punishment for liberal abortion" that was just fine with you. When Barbra bush said about the people suffering in the stadium "this is doing quite nicely for them, after all they are the underprivileged" you where fine with that too.
Yes it is a bit extreme but there is some truth in it. plenty of right wingers still would like to go back to Jim crow laws and have confederate flags hanging in their homes.
george...you can't force truth on this type of person. Like trying to teach a pig to sing, agrrevates the pig and frustrates the teacher. Save your breathe. Kinda like the way they cherry pick the bible to back up and support their bigotry. Some things never end.
Indeed, and it is just like how you pseudo-liberals cherry pick the true values of the liberal cause. You embrace profiling stereotyping bigotry, racism, intolerance etc etc
It isn't just the blacks who should be worried. If you aren't a white, male, millionaire, you'd better vote like your life depends on on it. With the fanatical Republican hared frenzy, it very well may.
OeterK why don't you look at who was a KKK member and see what party he is with you DeocRATS are the most raciest group of people their is I was a DemocRAT till I voted for PRESIDENT REAGAN and then I voted for President Clinton the the second term and have no problem doing it because I look at who is best for the COUNTRY Then I voted for PRESIDENT BUSH two times and I am very happy to say that then I voted for President Obama but I will not vote for him again I believe MR. Romney is what we need for the COUNTRY we need a leader and a person that can cut Government and cut taxes Now I am a Republican because most DemocRATS are just plan bad people
Wow, Danny. Ok, lets all vote for Romney so he can cut the education funding and everyone can write like you do!!!!!
Why is it that's it's all right for Jews to continue keeping their Holocaust at the forefront but Blacks are suppose to suppress theirs? Why is that people want to deny this pastor's the freedom of speech yet support the freedom of speech of those who lack integrity like the Tea Party Republicans?
This preacher is race-baiting - tell me he's NOT suggesting that Whites would be lynching Blacks all over the place of Obama doesn't get re-elected. Of course he is. And yeah, if a White preacher did ANYTHING similar he'd be villified by everyone in the media. Where's the integrity in that???
Um I think the sign like he said is make people stop and remember how hard they worked to get this close to equality, I never saw a single word that elluded to the return of lynch mobs. It applaud him for it, just like how we need to proud of our freedoms and remember that it was born out of bloodshed as well. Everything is not politics, but embracng the rights our ancestors died for is important.
This sign in front of a black church couldn't be more appropriate. Appropriate today, in fact, for us all. Too many who are not in trouble, or those who have never experienced such trouble are way too complacent. Maybe such a sign will kick many into understanding the horrors inflicted upon their forebearers, which now allow their complacency.
Should we post billboards of black people robbing convenience store when trying to get people to vote for the district attorney? would that be acceptable?
I am fairly new here. When you use "bold" type, does that mean what you have to say is more important than when you use regular type? When you post the same comment twice, does that make it twice as valid as when it is only posted once?
Sorry to inform you but that has already been done. Lots of times.
Let me guess? white is always right and black is on the attack Huh! African Americans are not the only people that rob convenience stores, just like not all white men are serial killers. Mojo7 truly take a moment and look in the mirror and see who you really are, just by your comments and lack of history i can tell who you are. :)
LOL MOJO it has already been done.
"Should we post billboards of black people robbing convenience store when trying to get people to vote for the district attorney?"
Sure you can! It's America and you can post whatever you like if you think it will help prove your point. Just make sure that you also post pics of the white serial killers and oh, don't forget the guys that stole billions of dollars from the system i.e. Madoff, Skilling, Stanford, Lay, (since we ARE talking about robbers) And of course don't forget the terrorist, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kaczysky, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, and please don't forget the Columbine shooters, Dylan and Eric..oh and well you see the list could go on so you will need a mighty big poster fella. Equal opportunity offender pics--great idea. My point is that all races have reasons to be proud and ashamed. People in glass houses should never throw stones.
Not if you want a Civil Rights Violation Law Suite filed against you
DoAsISayDo, I don't have a problem with pics of blacks robbing stores being shown. Just be sure to show the white men blowing up the Morrow Building in Oklahoma City, the white man molesting/raping 20 children over 20 years while other white men looked the other way, and the white men shooting up movie theatres and mosques. Also show pics of the white women trying to morph into black women but still trying to act superior. Yeah, Show All of That!!
please black people go ahead and exercise your right to vote. just make sure you have a photo id this time.
Yeah...we all know what an unrealistic burden it is to get one's hands on a photo ID when there's only a paltry 365 days per year.
Since you need a photo id to buy cigarettes and liquor you should have one to identify yourself when you vote. Remember it was all the people voting from their graves in Chicago that got John Kennedy elected.
Yes, and just remember it has your face on the photo.
I haven't needed an ID to buy iiquor for years now, so what's your point? CNBC's JIM CRAMER Dad didn't have ID in Pennsylvinia, it was in the news tuesday, and later the same day Jim Cramer said the state had gave him an ID and delivered it to his dad's house! Now not everyone has a celeb for a son or in their family! So make it FREE to get the ID and the other Papers needed, plus make timely
Intersting point I'd like to make. Many of the votes that will be suppressed due to the new law will be the votes of the elderly and handicapped. Jim Kramer posted that his dad told him that "he wouldn't be able to vote because he didn't have a valid ID." Many older people don't drive and haven't renewed their driver's licenses in years. Handicapped people often times don't drive and don't always have need for an ID. Perhaps the states with these laws would be willing to have a charter bus go around and pick up people like Jim Kramer's dad and take them to get valid IDs so they can exercise their right. For all of you who believe that this somehow suppresses the black vote; it doesn't. The young voters without ID weren't voting anyway and if it affects the older blacks, the older whites will be just as affected and since there are more whites than blacks, you all are actually suppressing your own-thus hurting your own chances.
Indeed, and it was going against the wishes of those who have and divided and conquered this nation that got his brains sprayed all over the street.
Now they just throw your ass a bone and let you have "hope" , keep you focused on hating the inferior, subhuman "them" while the kenyan puppet continues to roll with the agenda of the puppet masters right under your noses...
DoasIdo. So if it's going to be more of a hardship for white voters than for black, WHY is voter ID RACISM? While the elderly may not currently have Drivers licenses, they still need legal ID's to get on a plane, to cash a check, to open an account or a P.O. Box. My mother was handicapped, and never drove a day in her life, but she STILL had a photo ID issued by the State.
Are there white people out there who would lynch a black man? Certainly.
Are there black people out there who would murder white people? Certainly.
But we as a AMERICANS need to get past that. When the vast majority of us can live not as black and white but as PEOPLE we will put times like in that poster behind us. Should we forget it, refuse to acknowledge it? No. It's a sad part of our history. But let's keep it as HISTORY.
But the cultures really are different. I dont like many cultures but that doesnt mean hate. Don't run from a warrant and get an ID
Why can't Jim Kramer take his dad to get an ID? Is THAT too unreasonable??? If they can get out to REGISTER to vote, then why would it be so much harder to get an ID while they're at it??? This cryin' about voter ID "vote supressions" is just a bunch of BS!
It is what it is...but I agree that if that Pastor was white...ol' boy would be in a heap of trouble.
Whites receive just as much discrimination now days...if you don't believe that, apply for college loans.
Bull sht.
In fact, he is not far from the truth, the real truth as opposed to your "truth....."
What "truth?" The truth that white people like to play victim as much as they accuse black people of doing? Why are you so offended by being reminded that people who are not you, not related to you, and otherwise have nothing to do with you once did horrible things to their fellow human beings for stupid and unjustifiable reasons?
But, oh, that's right, you didn't get your college loans. That's so much worse than getting lynched.
people have been getting lynched for crimes throughout history, way before slavery. You're just mad that whites did all the hanging. Now it's payback time . Right?
4Rudie4,
You are right about whites being discriminated for college.I graduated high school in 1996 with honors.I was an active EMT by the age 15 and trying to head my education towards becoming a doctor but you had affirmative action going on at the time thanks to clinton and I tried applying for scholarships.They had 12,000 scholarships available at the time and 2 were for white males out of 12,000.My father made 60k a year so I didn't qualify for financial assistance but what they don't look at is I was one of nine children in my family and even though my dad made a good paycheck 60k doesn't go very far raising nine kids.I was denied education because there weren't enough minorities in colleges according to democrats.In Gonzales,CA (10 minutes from where I live)a few weeks ago they had 52 government agencies show up for a fair of some kind where illegals can find resources for schooling and money for food and housing and free medical services but I don't see them doing that in poor white neiborhoods.
You people just don't get it. The new Republican party are just doing what the Koch Brothers are telling them to do. It doesn't matter if you are black, white or purple you will all lose in the end. You are playing right into the plan. Do away with unions, voting rights, wages is their way of controlling the country. They (Koch Bros.) have think tanks electing Republican Polititians to do their dirty work. It is all in the name of profit and control. Instead of bitching on this site use your computer to research the things that are happening to give you an idea what these politicians are trying to do to you. They are pitting whites against blacks because they know this will effect how you vote.
im going to put a sign that says only whites can come to my church because blacks kill white people. get over yourself. do your reserch on OBAMA IDIOT.
Well jesus77 check your history it has already been done. During the Civil Right Movement. Let's not forget Jasper Texas when 3 white men dragged a black man to his death until his head was almost diconnected from his body and that was in 1998.
The pastors point he was trying to make is for us (black people) not to forget what our ancestors had to go through to vote. And let us not go back to those days again of Alabama Sherrif Bull Connor. Quit getting all butt hurt....it is what it is.
99% of the time people are cool white, black, orange, green what have you, but there is always that 1% that stir up shyt and it is a painful reminder of the past. Since you ain't black or of color you don't get it.
And one more thing the Indiginous people of this great country America have already been forgotten. No one wants to acknowledge what they had to and are still going through so get off of your high horse like all is well!
McJ
You have got to be kidding me. You have no idea of the pain a suffering that other people have gone through in this great country. You think black people are the only ones that have struggled. And guess what --- the fact that you or my ancestors may have been in difficult situations does not mean that you and I have to carry that baggage around. If you father was killed in a car accident do you hate all cars and think that we should go back to walking. No you move on ---- get moving, there is a life out there to life that is worth living and not reliving the errors of the past. Look at them so they are not repeated but to dwell on them and think they are part of you is non sense.
Guess it's time to put up posters of flash mobs to get the white vote out... That preacher is a moron to the nth degree.
I lived in South Carolina till I was 20 and the old saying there was first there is a white man, then Indian,then a dog then a black man and in those days they didn't say black man. I saw how the blacks were treated. It was a disgrace. I'll never forget it. So you bigots that post your crap are all full of it. I've never seen such disrespect to our President. If you right teabaggers really believe in god then you know you're going to hell just for the terrible things you think and say. By the way I'm a white 71 year old woman and I'm sure I've seen much more bigotry then most of you pups have so don't talk about other races as sub-human. They all have red blood and hearts just like you and me.
Great post fedupcagirl!!
Those in denial need to accept the fact that there is STILL racism in America. And there is still a big throng of people who doesn't like our president because of the color of his skin. REGARDLESS that his Those in denial need to realized that this country deep down have big corporations and the1% elitists in control of our government. Not only do they have lobbyists right in Capitol and government offices but they have bought politicians and the Rethugs in the supreme court. AND MAJORITY of these BOUGHT politicians are your GREEDY OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY OF NO who are now in cahoots with the radical Tea Party -otherwise known as the American Taliban. They have been the ones who had started the division of this country, by accusing Obama as a Muslim just becaus of his name before he was even elected in 2008.
Between these prejudice bigots - and yes majority of them are white, the vendictive bought politicians and the ultra/mega wealthy people in this country they have been feeding these non-stop lies, vile accusations and fearmongering. NATURALLY, and thank GOD, the left side comprise of Liberals and Progressives are smart enough to see these ridiculous but scary hatred, and fighting back because we'll be damn to be controlled by illiterate people WHO have started all these and the Republicans/ and DUH-BYA 8 year reign to destruction and the the true OWNER of MAJORITY OF THE DEFICIT!
So, hoping for Obama to prove you wrong - does not make sense at all! He has been trying all along and doing great, which is MORE REASON there is so much HATE on the right side! They just can NOT fathom that there is actually an intelligent biracial man that can do better than them.
And for everyone here - I cannot blame this pastor for putting this sign. With voter suppression and intimidation going full force. All Republican governors have changed the voting rules to supress the minority, the old, the young from voting! Aside from all these ID requirements, they have cut hours and early voting. MORE REASON YOU ALL SHOULD BE READY AND MAKE SURE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE. AND VOTE REPUBLICAN.
ONE LAST THING: WATCH OUT FOR THE RADICAL RIGHTWING WATCHDOGS CALLED 'TRUE THE VOTE'. They will be all over especially in swing states. I would really presume the hidden agenda is voter intimidation or worse. Romney is not a convincing to the smart middle class Americans, - so gut feel the ReTHUGS will steal this election.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/25/13473761-election-observers-true-the-vote-accused-of-intimidating-minority-voters?lite
http://www.policyshop.net/home/2012/9/12/states-unprepared-for-voter-intimidation.html
CA? Theres your problem.
Juno6., Did you mean to write vote 'Republican'?
I'm not racist, really. I'm just saying Obama is not for any race except his own. He is not African American. Look behond the picture.
Thats what i have been saying to all my friends. He is more Caucasian than African American . HIS MOM WAS WHITE !. YOU made a very good point . Thank you.
And his father was black. That pretty much makes him an even 50/50. It's hysterical that people try to argue that he's "more" black or "more" white, anyway. Get over it.
First Lady is more black than President Obama, if we are talking blood line. And she is a direct descendant of slaves. The president is not. Michelle's great grandfather was slave down south.
Going to "Reverend" ......... Reverend....? aaaaaaahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahaha Wright, shows very clearly which side of his DNA he identifies with.
What a racist, bigot, hateful, intolerant, race baiting, America hating pig that guy is reverend...?
aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahahaa WoW!!!
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He's for all people know matter the color of your skin. get over yourself. I think the Rev is correct he needs to remind people of the passed and what terrible things happened.
I'm over myself, just not over how Goebbels tactics work even now with an intelligent , educated society.
Gotta hand it to axel-rod, his propa-dogma machine is some thing his mentor Joseph would be exceedingly proud of.
On September 11th we were told to remember the victims, those that died by acts of hate.
Justice7
Obama's attitude and beliefs are pure black. As black as the Muslim's hate for us and our country. Obama hates us, our country, our military and especially the Navy Seals.
I too want to get out the vote, but I think I would have gone another way. Yikes.
Fake outrage go for it, his point don't be lazy and complaisant about voting.
Sorry people if history bothers you, it's called free speech.
With all the hate and death threat's lobbied at our President, on a daily basis.
Heck our own Republican members of Government, don't show the President a ounce of respect.
I think it was a good way to get some publicity, while getting his message across.
More fake outrage 3 2 1.....
hummingbird, if you are going to post learn how to spell first
If it is so "free speech" please make sure a white reverend places the same kind of shock poster out in front of his church and see how fast Rev. Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton doesn't swoop in and demand justice.
Get real.
Free speech should also include common sense. Apparently this reverend wants to mix politics and religion when it's convenient for him. Otherwise he would be screaming to separate the 2.
If he wants to dabble in politics then by ALL MEANS let him. Just make sure he pays taxes like the rest of the voting public does.
is it free speech when only a black person can post a large picture of black people being lynched? America asa whole of all colors belives lynching is a horrible monstoruous crime.to indicate otherwise is playing the race card to get what you want.
hummingbird every president receives death threats not only the waterwalker obuma. If I recall there have been at least three that have been shot (Reagan, Lincoln and Kennedy) so please spare us poor husein obuma gets death threats all the time.
The way I was raise was to respect someone WHO EARNED it not just because they are suppose to have it.
Wow- Was it the fake outrage comment that got my comment collapsed, Or my spelling? LOL
I bet this has stirred up the White Supremacists members in this region. Hey that's my great grandpa lynching that black guy. I'm so proud of great grandpa says Jethro!
if they were hanged because of a crime, I'd be proud to kick the horse. no different than the death penalty today. Somebody has to be the executioner.
Obama is half Caucasian,but racist Rightwingers would never admit that.
Asian is the word your looking for.....Again do the research Leftwinger. What is he hidding at Columbia University ?
Tony, even Obama won't admit he has white blood in him.
Yeah they would, they have a bunch of slurs for that demographic as well.
Tony, Obama admitted in one of his books that he turned his back on his white heritage. He is the one who threw his grandmother under the bus during his 2008 campaign. This was his doing.
Anglea,
Obama has never disavowed his white half. He has praised his white grandparents, particularly his grandfather who served during WWII. He has spoken often of his mother, and how much she struggled to see that he was educated, and how difficult her last illness became when, as she was dying, she had to fight with insurance companies to have her medical bills covered.
As for whether he is white or black. In this country, if you look black, you are black. If he had tried to claim himself as white he would have been called a liar. I've known many people of mixed race, all of them were called black, because the white world sees only their blackness. It is disingenuous to make an issue of the fact that he is half-white, because we don't live in a world where the white half has any weight. People only see the blackness.
Underemployed, I too know other of mixed race. Some are dark, like my husband, who is more American Indian than anything else, but looks black. I also have a friend who is as fair skinned as I am whose father is black and her mother white.
Racists don't care that Obama is half white. In fact it's the other side who ignore the fact by calling him our first BLACK President, which he isn't. He's mixed race.
Sure, he is mixed race. That wouldn't have mattered a hill of beans to the people in that lynching photo, they still would have seen him as black. (Not that they would have used that word).
And down South today, if he was not well known and he went into some little white-owned diner in Mississippi , they would still not want to serve the black guy. They wouldn't look at him and see a mixed-race man, they'd see a light-complected black man. And that's why he self-identifies as black.
I mean, come on. The one-drop rule was written into law until 1967 in Virginia. One drop of black blood was enough to make you a black person. (When the decision in Loving V. Virginia made interracial marriage bans illegal, it struck down the one-drop rule as well). Given how prevalent that kind of attitude was, do you really think it all went away overnight?
Amazing libs like yourself deny that the Dems started the KKK and now Holder and his cronies back the Black panthers. He likes to call them "his people"
Indymaverick, you must not be able to read or study any history at all. NO ONE on here has denied that the early democrats were the party of racism and Jim Crow laws, the KKK, etc. What I have seen is a few courageous souls who think they can get people like you to look at the reality that since the 1960's the republicans have actively sought out the bigots and taken up the role. To deny that is like saying the sky is not up or water isn't wet. I'm sure I'm wasting my time trying to do a "reality check" with you, but I just can't let your total BS stand. Please show me the source of your qoute that Eric Holder has ever called the Black Panthers "his People" (and not from Glenn Beck).
Indymaverick,
Here's a little history lesson for you: the parties switched idealogies in 1964 when LBJ (a democratic president) passed the Civil Rights Act. The racist south has been red ever since.
Can you own a public parking spot - some say yes. Vote Republican, take back our country.
Can you vote for the candidate of your choice - some say No. Vote Republican, take back our country.
As much as this is a terrible way to get people to vote, given the GOP state's attorney generals, Govs and respective legislatures that are working overtime to suppress the voting of entire voting blocks they don't care for, and our Supreme Court virtually allowed the 'buying' of our elections with absurd injections of corporate and billionaire money, it is an effective if crude way to remind people it wasn't that long ago that despised minorities were treated in this manner, let alone be allowed to vote.
We give too much credit to the supposed 'better nature' of the conservative movement. They've already balked at 'renewing' the 1964 Voting Rights Act. Why this even needs 'renewing' I have no idea. It should stand as permanent law.
The comments on this post alone are proof of the lack of objectivity in understanding the struggle many non-white, non-property owning, non-male groups had in gaining the right to vote purely as a citizen.
If these uber-conservative clowns who now make up the 'core' of the party ever really got control of all the levers of our government, it would not surprise me that they would eventually look to deny voting to various groups through a combination of what has always worked for them; reverse-race resentment, jingoism, bigotry and faux outrage.
Here's the latest crazed idea. I recently read about a fundie christian pastor who is known to be deeply involved in GOP politics in Texas suggest taking away the rights of gay people to vote, since they are 'moral deviants' who break Texas Sodomy law, and even thought the Supreme Court negated it, the state legislature never repealed it.! How nutty is that?!
Can you provide even one instance of voter suppression JP, or provide evidence of anything you have stated?
Yes.
I know of someone personally and I could link to other numerous articles, reports and news accounts of people who are wrongfully being purged from voter roles.
The pastor in TX was from an article in a gay-orietned newspaper in the bay area, and I read it about six weeks ago.
There is also the behind close doors video of the State's Attny General from PA claiming that the passage of that state's new voting laws will help 'deliver' the PA vote for Romney. Really? He must be either omnipotent, or has made the cynical calculation that making it tough for certain factions in PA to vote, these new 'laws' support the GOP candidate.
I could keep going on, but to what end, Wally?
Your question leads to me to believe you are dug-in with your beliefs. I find that conservatives have a terrible time with fact-based evidence, and when confronted with it, deny it, say it's a lie, demonize those who gather the data, and those who present it.
I have found that responding to these requests are trails down a rat hole. Unless you come to this with an open mind to evidence to the contrary, there is no point.
Yes, the New Black Panther Party hanging out with clubs in front of polling places.
Republican campaign magnager in Maryland convicted of placing thousands of robocalls to African-American voters telling them the polls were already closed and they didn't need to vote:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-schurick-robocalls-verdict-20111206,0,6200720,full.story
Virginia Secretary of State finds widespread voter suppression attempts:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/16105
Voter registration suppression in Nevada and Oregon:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/14/nevada.registration/index.html
Funny how NO Rightwinger has denounced the racist phoney pastor Terry Jones for causing the death of brave Americans in Libya. Jones is a racist traitor! if anyone should be hung,it should be him!
Terry Jones is not a racist: Islam is not a race, it's a religion.
I understand why the pastor in the article put up the sign, but I really wish pastors would stop using their ministries as a means of injecting themselves into politics. Of course, this kind of thing is all part of the "social justice gospel" that is so often preached in black churches - a gospel that is more concerned with "social justice" here on earth than on a person's eternal destiny. Social justice, liberation theology, dominion theology, Christian Reconstructionism, it's all pretty much the same thing: churches inserting themselves into politics instead of concerning themselves with preaching the gospel that Jesus and His Apostles preached.
Tonywarvet, apparently you've been asleep for a long time, Pastor Terry Jones was denounced when he burned the Quran, and in fact has a lot of explaining when he dies. Anyone can call themselves a Minister lets see Louis Farrakhan Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton this clown Terry Jones, I can assure you none of them know Jesus.
LOL at you, yes, you don't even know the news report. Go read and come back when you can make an intelligent post. Hint, this group was claiming an israeli pissed them off over a film, not terry jones.
Also, what he did wasn't racist, it was religiously insensitive. There is no one country or color that practices islam to the exception of others.
Man, you are stupid. What caused their deaths was flawed muslim nut jobs in Lybia. Screw 'em if they can't take a joke.
Just another idiot that is worried that our failing president might not get re-elected, so he's promoting hate and fear, just like our OWN COMMANDER IN CHIEF!!!! Both are wrong!!!! I think blacks deserve more credit than that!!
No they can't take a joke.... and neither can we for that matter. If anyone (outside of the group) were to frame a "joke" around any number of demographics which en masse are particularly sensitive to certain portrayals and/or worlds, you will inarguably see a vigorous and hateful reaction.
Such reaction shall not meet or exceed the same in the Middle East.... for now. However, the Goebbelsian dogma would eventually have that effect on modern cosmopolitan humans living in this country.
The hate for Christians/Conservatives?Republicans is growing, it has reached critical mass.
This is another in a plethora of events which make up a prolonged cyber-krystalnacht.
The rightwing teabaggers are the ones Promoting hate and fear know one else, and our president is winning because he is a fair man weather you want to beleive it or not so get over yourself
"The hate for Christians/Conservative Republicans is growing."
Yeah, making unprovoked attacks against your fellow human beings will inevitably stir up that kind of sentiment.
As for my fellow Christians, if you want people to stop making fun of you, quit being stupid, and quit getting offended so easily.
lol.i see where you got your education fedupcagirl, from our failing liberal education system, it would be no instead of know, whether instead of weather and believe not beleive. I find it so amazing how you on the left lie with so much ease, tell me do you have to take sleeping pills at night to get some rest? I sure couldn't sleep at night if I lied like you.You have no proof nor can show no proof of the Tea Party displaying any type of hate towards anyone, unlike the disgusting stuff going on at the Wallstreet riots.
Respect..... I don't think either party shows that. If history doesn't matter. then why the sign. Its urging blacks to vote, but one way. Thers one message in the sign. did not see that ?
Yes, and the message is, black people did not always have the right to vote, so don't forget to get out there and vote. If one particular political party takes that as a slam against their party, you have to wonder why. Surely all the people in that picture are long gone.
There are 30 or 40 people standing around the tree and 2 people hanging from it. Overwhelmingly - I would think in an unbiased review of the principle majority of subjects, the ones enjoying the entertainment; The Picture is a recruitment poster for the folks in the audience?
Hold on a minute. Let's not over react here. The only thing being advocated here seems to be a Universal message - the Americans need to Vote.
I did not see any specific advertisment to vote for any particular party, any judgement being favored would seem to be coming from the minds of those seeing the picture.
Its at least as unbiased as the placards which were held by the Tea baggers when they went to Washington D.C. and held a Glenn Beck - sponsored, peaceful Rally at the Lincoln Memorial around the reflecting pool. They were merely exercising their constitutional rights of peace protest and the right to Bear Arms.
Lets not exaggerate the intentions of a picture whiich was never banned in Boston - or any other place of study, education.
If Rightwingers had their way America would turn back the clock a century or more. They miss the "good" old days!
in the "good old days" the racists were southern democrats.......by the way....it's still the good old days.
Hey vet, I think that ptsd is getting to you, better go take your meds now.
Hello, coward. "in the middle" Is that the best you can do? Attack a veteran like that?
Come on now, aren't you supposed to be intellectually superior than him? and you have to resort to THAT?
LoLzZz thanks for redefining the words which the moderator would ban me for mentioning you as the definition of, not your "behavior"-- YOU
That man has every right to be in politics but he has NO right to spread hatred and lies.
Wire557: We really don't want hatred from either side and his "pastor" was wrong for doing what he did. There has been too much hatred from groups both black and white and it makes me sick to my stomach.
God forgive that "pastor" and show him that he is part of the problem. When you promote hatred you are part of the problem. His billboard promotes hate and he and every other hate group need to get on their knees before God and repent of their sins toward God's creation.
Were you equally vocal when Beck was holding his rally - at the anniversary of The delivery of "I have a Dream speech"? If not, then why not. If you stand for nothing, then, by definition - you will stand for anything. Pick your battles with an eye toward what you are accepting of and the possibilitiesof what your inaction is advocating. Symbolism is just as much a component of "Free Speech" as is the supposed, innocence of the act.
To say its "Glenn Beck's flock" because the News entertainer was White, is racist. It's protected speech - even if he did say VOTE FOR anyone in particular, all it says VOTE.
I never heard of the speach Beck gave. I hate racism I don't care what color you are. If you hate any other race that is God created they are bigots.
If you agree or not, there is truth to it. To say its "Obama's flock" because the pastor is black is racist. It doesn't say VOTE FOR OBAMA it says VOTE.
When 99% of Blacks vote for Obama, the conclusion is obvious....
oh brother, are you joking...?
Mitko Pitko Don't you get it Obama is not a racist he cares for people weather their white black pink or green. He will do more for the 98% then Romney. The conservatives have never been for the everyday joe ever. If you are rich then vote for Romney he's your man but if your not you best vote for Obama. Thats why the blacks are voting for him not to get free money or what ever because he will help all of us to have a better life.
What? You got something against a minorityMajority? Its an election, why do you think it needs explanation or vindication. It is what it is. (Nothing more, nothing less)...
Do you believe there is a secret network that organized voters to make a singular choice, even if it was against their own personal principles? Birds fly south in the winter ... is there a secret network which makes them all do that?
I'll bet you believe that all Asians know each other, all middle- Easterners know each other... etcera, etcera....
Red states have a history of racism and bigotry,today they are a bit more discreet.
That so funny,i'm about to pee on myself! Do you have any idea where that photo was taken?It was taken in Georgia in the deep South.When that picture was taken it was your beloved democrat party who was in charge.They were in charge before that picture was taken,in charge when that pic was taken and in charge after that pic was taken but now,its the republicans who hanged that boy.Do you have any idea of history?I know you don't ! If you had you would realize the reason it took from 1930 to 1964 to get the ivil Rights Act passed was the fault of the democrats who were all segregationist and voted in a block to prevent the legislation form becoming law!
WOW how did Marion Ind. get from Georgia to where it is now???
Rightwing racist hatemongers have caused much damage to America with thier anti-minority,anti-Science and anti-progress attitudes. It continues today with racists like the phoney pastor Jones.
I didn"t think anyone said the pastor was phoney. Are you blind........ I was just wandering if you were reading the same postings i'm seeing.
Yeah Tony everyone's a racist especially the ones who keep bringing it up BTW the only hate I see is in your postings.
wlee-950886 The reason that we keep bring it up is because most of the rightwingers keep forgetting what life was like in the 50's and 60's and what its starting to go back to. If it was up to the Republicans we would go backward so wake up
I agree with the statement below the lynching picture ... progressive Marxist Dems have always used violence to keep blacks from voting for Republicans.
Slavery a Democratic institution
Ku Klux Klan a Democratic Fraternity
Jim Crow / Uncle Tom another Democratic institution
Planned Parent Hood a Democratic institution designed to control the the black population via aborting black babies.
and now the latest policies Democrats use to control blacks, first Dems make sure the schools blacks go are the worst schools, Dems get their parents hooked on Government handouts, perpetuating dependency thru passing down generationally, their communities are filled with drug abuse, violent gangs, hookers and no law enforcement ... their communities are truly Ghettos ... war zones where our fellow citizens, blacks, are condemned to an absolute useless life of caged dependency. "Cages"
And the black politicians like Dathans from the time of Moses, leading their people into bondage for a few crumbs off the table of power. Selling the black communities into bondage.
FTR, and as a black person in this country, I will NEVER get over the lynching of innocent blacks. NEVER. So anyone who thinks or wishes otherwise is as ignorant as they sound when they utter the phrase for blacks to "just get over it."
The comment was Move On. Noe one will forget it because you keep brining it up all the time.
Gawky....how do you know they were innocent?
unoitall: That's a famous piture taken of a 17 year old boy who had been seen talking to a white women in town.He had also refused to move aside when another white woman walked by.It's safe to assume he was not guilty of any crime that justified killing him in such a brutal manner or in any manner!
Okay mas, you tried your liberal spin, now here's the truth........They had been arrested the night before, charged with robbing and murdering a white factory worker, Claude Deeter, and raping his white girlfriend, Mary Ball. A large crowd broke into the jail with sledgehammers, beat the two men, and hanged them. When Abram Smith tried to free himself from the noose as his body was hauled up by the rope, he was lowered and then his arms broken to prevent him from trying to free himself again. Police officers in the crowd cooperated in the lynching. A third person, 16 year old James Cameron, narrowly escaped lynching thanks to an unidentified participant who announced that he had nothing to do with the rape or murder.[1] A studio photographer, Lawrence Beitler, took a photograph of the dead bodies hanging from a tree surrounded by a large crowd; thousands of copies of the photograph were sold.[2]
Whatever the situation may have been, are you proponent of the lynching that went on back then? Did white people get lynched back then by blacks? Was it actually legal back then or was it a case of taken the law into their own hands and ignoring/taking away the rights of these black men. Yeah, I think this lynching process is a good idea. Way better then going through that silly innocent-until-proven-guilty thing they have to use right now. What a waste of tax-payers money, right? Peace mister/misses wizard?
I believe if someone wants to remind people of events that has taken place in the past, good or bad, they should be able to. Any responses, emotions, perspective regarding it should be expected and respected but open for meaningful discussion, with the understanding and acceptance that there will differences of opinions, that can be used for agents of change, hopefully for the good. Sometimes it is not so much about hearing what others may say, but letting other actually hearing themselves and reassessing it for themselves.
Because it's the law in this country that EVERYONE is presumed innocent until it is proven otherwise.
There was no law on the books that said talking to a white woman was punishable by death. This was citizens weilding punishment on anyone they wanted and local law enforcement looking the other way. You obviosely need to read more.
backtoschool...you need to go backtoschool. Their crime was not talking to a white woman. Biker chick, next time use a helmet to prevent anymore head injuries!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Shipp_and_Abram_Smith
Gezz....gotta hold your hand with everything?!
I replied to you somewhere in here but I guess my thread got lost. The boys were innocent of the crime they were accused of (rape). The accusation was a lie. There is no law on the books that says that it is ok for 10,000 citizens to take the law into their own hands, courts be damned, and hang and burn someone. The accusation was placed on these boys because one of them whistled at a white girl, whistled! Indian had over 5,000 hangings from reconstruction until the late 1960's. Are you fine with vigilanty justice? Should we just forget about trials then and just kill people all free willy nilly without due process?
Nor will I as a "white" person in this country or as a human being get over it. The images are heartbreaking and unthinkable. how anyone could participate in these things in simply incredible. Yet in africa these types of scenes continue to each day. Sickness and ignorance , us and them , etc etc bla bla bla, are HUMAN problems committed by all races, not just the lowly cracker filth who takes the blame for all of it.
The state is Indiana. I was typing too fast forgot the "a". By the way I love history. I became a history nutt because of my Aunt. She was a school teacher and she use to make me read and do a book report every day during the summers I spent with her. She had all of these old world history books, American hystory books. I found it interesting
or in the case of oj simpson "even IF" it is proven otherwise.....
Unoitall, are you seriously defending a LYNCHING, for whatever reason it occurred? You are defending people who literally broke into a jail and brutally killed people who had not even been tried for the crime they had been accused of committing-whatever that crime may have been? You do know we all are supposed to have a right to trial by jury as guaranteed by the Constitution, right? Or do you think that only applies to white people? The point is not whether or not the people being lynched were guilty, it's that they were never given a trial for the crimes they supposedly committed. When someone is not allowed to have a trial, how is it possible to know if they are innocent or guilty? Granted, our court system is not perfect and it sometimes fails; but it's certainly better than a mob of people outside a jail taking the law into their own hands and meting out justice based on skin color! (And don't even try to kid yourself or us about the skin color issue-I grew up in Mississippi during the Civil Rights Movement.)
Sure....whatever you think dummy!!
Really makes you miss the good ole days when the blacks knew their place. Guess we could start over. This time, no state or government handouts for them. They will have to work and make their own living and pay for all the kids they have.
unoitoll
These Obama lovers don't want facts. They just like spewing lies and allowing all the followers to believe it to be the truth.
Rangewolf - the KKK troll.
The picture and the incident, were from 1933 - San Jose California. No one was ever convicted of the lynching. The Govenor of Califronia, at that time - went on record as supporting mob actions. Later, in news papers and comment He was given the Nickname and refered to as"Govenor Lynch".
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/brooke_hart/index.html
My fervent apologies. The lynching in San Jose, mentioned above, was of two White men who alledgedly, kidnapped and murdered the son of a prominet Store owning family.
The Pictures were similar - bodies disrobed from the waist down, genitalia removed - cut or ripped from the suspects while they were alive .... faces beaten beyond recognition. In a Black and white picture - they all look the same. The one fact that ties them together was - White or Black, No one was ever convicted of the double lynching and the police felt it was not practical to protect their captive, unarmed, prisoners, after all, everyone knew they were guilty and a trial was just a technicality.
Some people did make the ultimate sacrifice and today some people are trying to take away the right to vote with their 21st Century poll tax. SHAME!
Do remember that white people made it possible for black people to vote.
Can the racism, HMS.
The same racism that lynched the men or the racism that it was wrong to do that, or the racism that it should be forgotten cause it isn't that way anymore?
Remember, Obama is in the White House because whites voted for him, so who are the racists??
The economy put him in the White House.
You forget that Blacks had the right vote, a God given right to participate in any decision which affected his other rights (Life, Liberty, pursuit of happiness..etc) - taking one right away lead inexorably to the loss of all the others - until it was taken away. The point is simple - yo have the right to vote... its a right. Which means - an inalienable right. You are granted it at birth, if you break the rules of the society in which you are born... they may have a penalty, based on some crime you committed, to restrict that right - but that doesn't change the fact that you were born with that right. Restrictions on the rights of women to have. property - led directly to their becoming property. As property, that meant the Husband would have an extra vote for every wife he "owned", every slave he "owned" ....
As we see the beginning of another assault, a small erosion of rights, conditions being placed on rights we see the beginningof the loss of other rights. Don't "you" worry my friends, your rights are not in jeaprody - its only those other Americans who are our target. (today)
Smile - you sons of evil, you are allowing your Leaders to restrict the rights of other Americans - when your turn comes, who will be left to stand with you when your rights are taken? Your Fathers have trained you well - don't think about further down the road, just follow orders, its for the best.
The best way to poison your prey is to give him something "tasty" so he will not be alarmed at the bitter taste of what he is being asked to swallow.