10 to 1 this kid was abused himself. Hard to teach values when this originates in ones own family.

Whether it originated in his family or not is not the issue. His actions were still wrong, and he should be held accountable. Just like he can be taught to act in this horrible manner, he also can be taught not to act in such a way. He was old enough to know what he was doing. Sadly in this day in time, children younger than the accused in this case also know about these behaviors. People should really stop defending actions like this because it's almost like promoting this type of behavior.

That statement sounds like you wold like to be all up in other peoples business! Mind your own....

I am in favor of starting to hold parents responsible for SOME of the things their children do. Should parents go to jail for their 12 yr old raping a 5 yr old - no. But they should have to participate in parenting classes or community service or some such thing. Maybe if there are younger children at home, they will not turn out like the 12 yr old. And if the boy was abused, requiring the parents to go to parenting classes is an even better idea. I know, classes won't help if they don't want the help or acknowledge they are wrong, but something is better than nothing. And maybe if we hold parents accountable, our grandchildren will live is a less abusive society.

Dear rules - I appreciate your comment but this is very likely false: "...he also can be taught not to act in such a way." Once a person is so damaged that - instead of empathy for others - they start raping or killing at a young age, they are unlikely to stop.
We had a boy like this in our area. His last rape and murder was his own 5 year-old niece. Unlike his previous victim, her corpse was left intact but thrown over the fence into the neighbor's yard. Knowing he'd never get out of prison this time, he committed suicide.
Think of all the children that are brutalized but don't grow up to harm anyone. There's more to it than what we learn; there's who we are.

Castration is the only thing to do. When he gets older, he'll never stop. So, stop the urges now and castrate. Not as inhuman as you think. Which choice do you want?

I suppose that if his victim gets pregnant, she should be forced to have his child.

theCavalier - you think that you are being real smart by trying to turn this discussion into a political argument on abortion. However, you are merely demonstrating how ignorant you are. Five-year-olds have not yet gone through puberty. She can not get pregnant. Try going back to school and actually learning something.

theCavalier

I suppose that if his victim gets pregnant, she should be forced to have his child

It's too bad liberals and neocons can't agree to agree to protect the life of a child with an exemption on rape and medical emergencies. Both sides have ridiculously extreme views. I don't want a rape victim to be forced to carry a pregnancy any more than I want people killing unborn babies as a form of birth control.

Scales67 - The youngest person ever recorded to give birth was 5 years, 7 months old. It's possible!!

ridiculous comments from the bottom of the barrel...........

Alaskan in Vegas, Plenty of good parents raise their children right and well. Those kids do wrong things. After all G.H.W Bush raised a kid that went on to be a drunk and cocaine addict didn't he?

F Walsh, Some people shouldn't be allowed to comment, you just happen to be one of them.......

jeffery f

F Walsh, Some people shouldn't be allowed to comment, you just happen to be one of them.......

I agree !

some of these people should have to be the test subjects for the harsh punishments they eagerly want to inflict on others.

Im all for punishing the boy (not killing him, wtf is wrong with you people), but I think they need to investigate the parents as well. Something is amiss here.

WorldTravel07: Castration would not take away the urge. The urge is not necessarily sexual, but to exert control over someone, to hurt them, to act out one's internal rage. He might not rape again, but he would commit another violent act. I also suspect he's been abused, but I wouldn't immediately point the finger at his family. Lots of others in his life could have done that. Very tragic all around.

Rape is about humiliating and controlling others, which will not go away with castration. Rape is not about a person's sex drive. I would guess this child has a mental illness or has suffered a horrible home life. Even though he has committed a terrible crime, he is ONLY 12 years old; the court system needs to figure if he can be saved or needs to stay locked up.

not always. sometimes, it is simply about sex drive, and taking what you want without regard to others.

I'm all for the comment that said castration for this kid. I realize he's been abused himself, almost for certain, probably for many years. BUT that doesn't make him any less dangerous.

Any rapist should be castrated immediately. Period. End of discussion. BUT that said, it is male judges, male legislators,,,,,MALES that would assure this would never happen.

Men pay violence against women and children LIP service ...... that's all. Or else there would be mandatory castration or the death penalty for this crime.

A terrible, sad story no matter which way you look at it. Hopefully the little victim does not remember later on. Poor, poor child.

These things are beyond human understanding. What the heck do you do with this kid? Unfortunately, I feel he is lost forever. Some people are "just not right". Jeffery Dahmer's parents were good, loving people. He had a very normal childhood. I know this isn't exactly the same, but the point is made. So if he is indeed "lost forever", I say again, what the heck do we do with him? How likely is he to re-offend? How do we protect society from him? What do we owe him? Prison, castration, death? Those are the easy "go-to" solutions. I have no answers. Like I said - this is beyond human understanding.

blame Bush it works! we stupid!

You don't even know why he did it, who reported it, how they found out, how old the victims were, nor any of the other circumstances of the situation. How did you come to such a barbaric solution despite having no back story? Your problem solving skills worry me.

You don't even know why he did it

I suppose you posing that question suggest that you think he might have a legitimate reason for rape?

Wake up Lackadaisical Fellow - he raped, he raped, he raped. Reports,ages,other circumstances??? Do you want pics to prove the little bastard raped someone?

Lackadaisical Fellow you seem to be the one that uninformed. The story says the victim was a 5 year old girl. Tell us the truth, you read the title and then commented without reading anything else.

While I do not agree with what one person said that the boy should be put to death. He should face at least 20 years for his crimes. Juvenile detention till 18 then moved to an adult prison to fulfill the rest of the sentence.

WHY?? Are you kidding me? Next you'll be suggesting she was dressed provacatively and/or was 'asking for it'. WTF is wrong with you???

Chapter 21: Crimes And Punishments

PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT

Article 35: Sex Offenses

Statute 21-3502: Rape. (a) Rape is: (1) Sexual intercourse with a person who does not consent to the sexual intercourse, under any of the following circumstances:

(A) When the victim is overcome by force or fear;

(B) when the victim is unconscious or physically powerless; or

(C) when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug or other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender;

(2) sexual intercourse with a child who is under 14 years of age;

(3) sexual intercourse with a victim when the victim's consent was obtained through a knowing misrepresentation made by the offender that the sexual intercourse was a medically or therapeutically necessary procedure; or

(4) sexual intercourse with a victim when the victim's consent was obtained through a knowing misrepresentation made by the offender that the sexual intercourse was a legally required procedure within the scope of the offender's authority.

(b) It shall be a defense to a prosecution of rape under subsection (a)(2) that the child was married to the accused at the time of the offense.

(c) Except as provided further, rape as described in subsection (a)(1) or (2) is a severity level 1, person felony. Rape as described in subsection (a)(2), when the offender is 18 years of age or older, is an off-grid person felony. Rape as described in subsection (a)(3) or (4) is a severity level 2, person felony.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-3502; L. 1978, ch. 120, § 1; L. 1983, ch. 109, § 2; L. 1993, ch. 253, § 1; L. 1993, ch. 253, § 2; L. 1996, ch. 258, § 3; L. 2006, ch. 212, § 8; July 1.

SOOO if he was caught with a 13 year old the double standard applies... How about we wait to hear WHAT happened. Not so long ago a 12 year old boy in OH was charged with rape. He fondled a 5 year old girl. NOT saying it was right but the charge was rape as the girl was under 12 and ANY sexual contact with someone under 12 is RAPE under the statute.

There is no reason to justify raping a 5 year old... Why??? Seriously?? "Lackadaisical" must also refer to how well you reason.

MIKE-679507

he'll be in Juvenile custody till 18 then be released to continue his raping ways...cut it off while he is still young..

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MIKE-679507

You are an idiot and I think you are well aware of it.

Geez what a putz

gtouch

You don't even know why he did it

I suppose you posing that question suggest that you think he might have a legitimate reason for rape?

------ @Gtouch,

The scary part is that it made sense in his head as he typed it.

Maybe the why is he is mentally retarded, or something along those lines. Its never ok to rape, but some people may be uncapable of knowing what they are doing.

MrBurns

Maybe the why is he is mentally retarded, or something along those lines. Its never ok to rape, but some people may be uncapable of knowing what they are doing.

You mean like some of the postings here?

Mr Burns - there is no such thing as being "uncapable". You can however, be incapable. Which is to be "not capable".

there's a senator that is now saying something to the likes of "if a woman conceives; after being raped, then the rape isn't legitimate, because god would not allow conception" or something to that effect haven't actually seen/heard the actual comment

Well if you haven't seen or heard the actual remark(s), you are showing your ignorance and stupidity by commenting about them.

If you haven't seen/heard the actual comment, why are you repeating it?

Sheesh people...he was asking about a previous post...maybe like 7 posts up.

Representative Todd Akin, the Republican Senate nominee from Missouri said “It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

This is the 2nd or 3rd comment/question about the rape standards in kansas. What is it you people don't know about kansas? If its a lot then just go do some research, its a really @!$%#ed up state. They don't want to teach science, they believe that abortions should not be done under ANY circumstances, they wanted to force all children to say a (christian based) prayer before class, its the home of the A-hole who pickets dead soldiers funerals, and all-in-all backwards state.

I'm going to stick my neck out and get my head chopped off on this one.

As horrible as this is, it is certainly nothing new. Since Cain killed Abel, there have always been many tragic family interactions. In all offenses of a violent nature, law enforcement and judicial action is a must. In days gone by, many other offenses were discretely and successfully handled by the family.

The legal definition of rape by an adult covers many shaded areas. A young man has had consensual sex with his 1 year younger lover for 2 years. Perfectly common and legal in modern society despite the fact that some may find it unpalatable. According to the law in many states, the day he turns 18 and repeats that familiar act, he is a rapist with a permanent sexual offender record.

This 12 yr. old boy is charged with rape. None of us know the details of the charge. Did a sexually confused and curious young boy impulsively place his hand on an inappropriate part of his little sister's body? That is legally and morally rape in our adult world. Perhaps not, in the mind of a child raised in one of many of today's dysfunctional families. Dysfunctional families with no moral values or dysfunctional families that prohibit all sex education for confused and curious children in puberty (except abstinence).

Still want to castrate or kill this kid?

Angelo Belcher------Do you live in Kansas? Probably not...I do however! Get your effin' facts straight.

They don't want to teach science, they believe that abortions should not be done under ANY circumstances, they wanted to force all children to say a (christian based) prayer before class, its the home of the A-hole who pickets dead soldiers funerals, and all-in-all backwards state.

Fact--They do teach science here Fact--Abortion is a light subject here in kansas, yes, however its a choice! everyone should have a choice in whatever they do! im not saying I support it, but truth is, its their decision!--Fact--there is no prayer before school, at lunch, or after school...youre ridiculous! and yes, there is an ass hole who likes to make funerals worse for fallen soldiers families...BUT WE DONT WANT HIM HERE. We hate him. I love how youre representing Kansas....when you most likely do not know half the @!$%# that goes on here.

I lived in Kansas. The "science" taught was very limited. We had teachers prefacing a science class with statements on how they don't believe the fossil record is real because the earth is only 6000 years old but they are required to pretend its real....

"Did a sexually confused and curious young boy impulsively place his hand on an inappropriate part of his little sister's body? That is legally and morally rape in our adult world."

Commonsense101 did you read the charges? Sodomy does not happen by placing a hand on an inappropriate part. Rape does not happen that way either. No reasonable adult thinks that way either. I'm sure this kid knew what he was doing. Many boys start puberty at 12 and have been through the difference between boys and girls class at school. He knew exactly what he was doing. He needs therapy as does the family.

Although not unknown, as one poster pointed out, it would be EXTREMELY rare for a five year old to get pregnant. But, what if it does happen? In such a case, I have noticed that there are a number of posters who have called for an abortion. What happened to the sacred right of the young girl, herself, in consultation with her family, doctor, or anyone else she chooses to make this decision, herself. Or perhaps, choice doesn't mean choice. It means choosing only the choice the so-called prochoicers would have her make. Her right to choose another option would be denied. BTW, in the case cited above, the child's son was born by ceasarian. Sure it was a serious operation, but an abortion would also have been risky. Now, I realize that as a practical stance, probably, at five, she wouldn't really be able to make that decision, herself, but it is STILL up to her family or legal guardian, NOT the professional abortion lovers.

Nobody "loves" abortion, what an ignorant thing to say, Matilda! You think all pro-choicers are cheering on the sidelines everytime a woman walks into an abortion clinic? Please. Abortion has to be legal for the health & safety of women and girls, period. The reasons for the abortion are nobody's business. I think it's a terrible thing but it still has to be legal... unless the guys decide to stop raping us? No? Didn't think so.

That said, no, obviously a 5-year-old is not capable of consenting to sex, nor is she old enough to understand the implications of her young body carrying a pregnancy. An abortion should be performed for the mental & physical health of a child in that situation. Probably not the case here of course, but it certainly is possible for a child to get pregnant.

If a 5 year old gets pregnant, she should have an abortion. It is the one time I would not be pro-choice. She should not choose it, she should just get it. She's 5 years old.

By the time he's 18, he'll be nurtured into a full blown psycho by the prison system. Then he'll get somebody else.

I wonder whether this young person may have been sexually molested himself,

Chances are good that many sex offenders of all ages are victims, who were never identified and received counseling.

Bad memory that fades with time...yeah, probably not. Unfortunately, this type of thing doesn't just fade away...

I think the unfortunate piece in this story, other than the obvious, is how quickly people are ready to jump to their conclusions based on their personal life experience and then comment on something totally unrelated to the issue at hand. We are a sick society. When a twelve year old can commit a horrible crime against a five year old innocent baby, really, that tells a huge story about the society that he lives in.

The best thing that could happen is to find out that the media (surprise, surprise!) totally twisted something to meet their "need" of ratings...like the story of "the man who killed seventy"...to find out that he did something and the electricity went out in a chicken farm and seventy chickens ended up dying. Not right for the chickens, for sure, but certainly not on the same plane as killing, in cold blood, seventy people, which is how the headline led...

Is it only ligitimate if the victim didnt like it????

No it's only legitimate rape if the victim doesn't get pregnant. If she gets pregnant then no rape occurred. According to some politicians.

I can only hope someday you'll be able to feel compassion rather than seeing a story about rape as a way to make some asinine political point, which by the way, makes you as stupid as Akin.

I would hope a 5-year old isn't able to conceive, yet.

You guys cannot be serious. The girl is 5. FIVE. Seriously people, READ the article. I'm all for being down with Akin but come on, this is going way too far. What if you were her mother or father reading this article/comments? Show at least a little respect.

Yes I think they are, which is the whole reason why men shouldn't be in the business of telling women what they can or cannot do with their bodies.

I agree with jrsygrl! A little compassion would be nice. We all know that Akin is a jackass - however a 12 year old boy raped a 5 year old girl and your profound words of wisdom are 'hope she doesn't get pregnant, or it's not a real rape by Kansas standards' Not sure who the bigger jackass actually is - Akin for making the comment or you for thinking this is an appropriate time to address it.

While I agree with you Jodi... probably still Akin.

Well, that kind of thing happens with taking out the family car or spraying graffiti on the school. Raping someone is a different league of behavior that is not just acting out. Yes, they may act out what they see or is done to them, but rape isn't just acting out.

He's 12...by the way.

That's just a correction to beachgirls post...not some "give him a break he is 12" comment.

I worked in a childrens home for boys who exhibited this behavior...almost all of them were molested, raped, or subjected to graphic sexual images.

I feel sorry for all involved in this...

I think they mean castrating (aka, cutting his dick and/or testicles off) him

Sensationalism. Remember: "if it bleeds, it leads."

Somebody has to write a story about the tree that fell in the forest...........I guess.

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did you even read the article? It seems you haven't

First of all, the victim was 5 years old. It says that in the story if you actually read it. They aren't allowed to release many details because the victim and the rapist are both minors. And what does it matter who reported it?

so you were kissing the same sex?

Sounds like he meets the criteria needed to be a future politician!!!!

He won't. He'll be in prison or dead.

Hopefully dead...unfortunately, if this 12 y/o is raping & sodomizing a 5 y/o, he's a lost cause...he's sick

but this over-liberal society is yielding

Exactly, Kansas and in particular the Native American tribes being so liberal.

In your case I don't know yet. I'll see if I can find more comments of yours to see if you lean on the right or left.

I say this because in my experience .. when someone starts a comment with "I am not a Republican" they turn out to be Republican.

I say this because I also just looked at the Kansas record and guess what ... it's a Republican state.

Yeah, Kansas is known for its rampant liberalism. [Rolls eyes]. And you think rape is a "new" thing?

Kansas is trying to remove Obama's name from the November ballot on the basis that he hasn't proven his citizenship. You call that liberal?

Liberal Natives.... Wow, Now I have heard it all!!! LOL!!!! Hope you were being sarcastic!!! Traditional Natives are some of the most Conservative people on this continent. We have more strict rules and traditions than Catholics and Jewish people.

We don't get government checks. We aren't FREELOADERS.

We religiously sign up for military duty are pro-guns and know the constitution better than most "Americans."

300 years and you still have no clue who we are. I'm can't speak for all Natives, but the vast majority of my people could hardly be considered liberal. Ever spent ANY TIME with true Natives, or do you just watch TV and read the internet?

Too funny.

Shelly,

been a little over 500 years now ...