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Subscribe to RSSConnecticut’s governor has called for a disaster declaration for fishermen who catch groundfish such as cod and haddock, but some in the industry dismissed the chance of “free money” and complained about government-imposed quotas, NBCConnecticut.com reported.
The state says stocks of cod, haddock, and flounder have shrunk, and those that rely on those cold water fish for survival are in jeopardy.
Mike Gambardella, who distributes fish throughout the Northeast from a pier in Stonington, said the fishermen were upset because the government puts quotas on how many fish they can catch.
“We're not interested in free money. We want to work and earn our own money,” Gambardella said.
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But Dave Simpson, of the Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, said there just weren’t enough groundfish left in the water.
“In some cases, that may be related to climate change; global warming for winter flounder in particular,” Simpson said.
Governor Daniel Malloy has joined other New England governors in asking the Federal Commerce Secretary for a groundfish disaster declaration.
And, if Congress approves it, tens of millions of dollars could be sent to the region, some of it coming to Connecticut.
“Our small state has taken actually a disproportionately large cut probably because there is a greater effect of climate change,” said Simpson.
But it's not just those that catch groundfish that are affected. As fisheries go after more abundant fish like sea bass and summer flounder, stocks of those fish will be depleted as well.
“There's concern among those in those fisheries that it's going to make their lives more difficult and be splitting the same dollars among a greater number of fishermen,” warned Simpson.
Gambardella said the government could hold onto its money, if it lifted regulations and allowed him to keep what he catches.
“There's plenty of fish out there. We're throwing them overboard… We don't need free money. We need the quota to be up to make us go catch fish,” said Gambardella.
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Does the government supplement every industry that has problems? Why don't the fishermen get a new job since they've emptied the ocean instead of taxpayers covering their greed?
I used to sell elephant ivory but with so much government restriction on supply I had to switch to crack. I don't want no free money - I have standards.
i have been a gigolo for years but for some reason it gets worse every year, think i have over fished or completely exhausted the supply? hope not .........i really love the job............:)
If you had read the article, you would note there are plenty of fish. They have to throw lots of them back because of quotas.
willie
try the local sex toy shop always a need for an experienced whip maker there. they just dont make em as well as they use to.........:)
I was buying rope by the mile, cutting it up, and marketing Do It Yourself Bondage kits. Not only did I not get government assistance, they tied up all my assets.
jw101...
I was thinking the same thing...hmmm, the company I work for expects to book 30 million this year...our budgets have been set with this in mind. If we only do 25 million, I guess the government should supplement us with 5?! When are people going to take responsibility!
BTW, relating to this article...it's called FISHING...not CATCHING!
Robert...
The state says stocks of cod, haddock, and flounder have shrunk, and those that rely on those cold water fish for survival are in jeopardy.
and then there's...
But Dave Simpson, of the Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, said there just weren’t enough groundfish left in the water.
Maybe you should have read it...
it has to do with ocean boat overfishing that there is not enough fish for the local peoples ie no local economy. I would suggest watch END OF THE LINE it is a eye opener.
Bull. There are plenty of fish according to the people who are actually out on the water and know what they are able to catch year after year. Some pinhead government employee who has bought into the global warming scam won't let them keep and sell what they catch.
This is the same thing that the fishermen were saying just before the Grand Banks and nearby fisheries all collapsed. They they said that if they didn't fish them for 20 years or so all the fish would come back. They have made zero recovery so far.
The Grand Banks off Newfoundland were the largest fishery in the world with Spanish and Portuguese fishermen catching massive amounts of fish there since the 1500's. It was observed to be in collapse as early as 1974 but the fishermen only went after smaller fish and smaller catches. By 1990, you couldn't catch enough fish to pay for the fuel to get to the fisheries.
And the ecosystem is so complex, and so badly disrupted, that it has made zero recovery since then. "Trash" fish have flourished, but desirable cod and halibut are rare if found at all. Most marine biologists have decided that the complexity of the ecosystem means that the original fish will never return and that a new ecosystem must emerge over tens of thousands of years to replace it.
The bottom line is that in any industry that is not sustainable, eventually the same thing will happen. The issue is greed and individual unenlightened self-interest versus having any future at all. Greed is winning. The man who killed the last wild passenger pigeon in the US (there were once billions of them) thought it "great fun." Seven years later the last captive passenger pigeon died and there was absolutely nothing mankind with all its greed and self-interest could do about it.
This is how greed and unenlightened self intertest, which right wingers sespouse so loudly, robs everyone else.
you have to leave stocks of fish to maintain a BALANCED eco system and prevent collapse. The End of the Line Trailer - YouTube
The government "supplements" industries without problems. Farm supplements go largely to the ConAgra type farms. Oil supplements and cheap land leasing go to companies that earn 50 billion in three months. Of course this money is returned to our leaders in the form of political contributions. Leaders like Rep. Fred Upton chairman of House Energy and Commerce.
Fishermen are unwilling to accept the fact that most of the larger fish species are gone due to blatant over-fishing. They keep wanting to take more and more from the ocean until there is nothing left. It's their own fault. Nature gave us a gift and they have abused it to death.
Articles such as this do nothing more than sensationalize the issue. Trying adding some actual facts, such as government studies of the number of estimated fish left in the area, and how local fishermen have or have not attempted to properly deal with the situation up to this date. Plus, has suspected global warming actually had much of an effect on fishing stock, and if so which particular fish are affected by it.
All their problems could be solved if the government made it mandatory that the owner of the boat and holder of the commercial fishing licence must be on board the boat any time it is in operation. This would put the big fleets owned by huge corporations out out of business. It's these big fleets that have the mega ships that denude the fishing grounds. They are too efficient and leave nothing behind as seed.
The root problem is two fold. First, nearly every issue is now politicized, making discussion nearly impossible. Add to that the reality that government has shown a penchant for lying, misleading, or selective use of facts, along with businesses (us) having a self-interest in the topic at hand (at least if you are a fisherman) and getting at the truth seems nearly impossible.
Read above - one poster points out the government facts while he omits the fisherman's comments that there are plenty of fish, and their only problem is government restrictions on the number they can catch - if you cannot tell all of the truth, and must skew the "facts" to fit your beliefs, how on earth will we ever make good decisions?
We need less government, less subsidy, as the past 60 years government has proven beyond a doubt only one thing - the federal government has no idea what they are doing, they waste more than $100 billion annually that we know of, they are easily defrauded (10's of thousands of IRS refunds being mailed to single addresses as an example, and don't get me started on Medicaid and Medicare), they get progressively worse the longer they are in charge of something (off shore drilling, education, energy to name 3) and they have extended our military assets globally in what has to be the most idiotic strategy ever devised while making it easier for people here at home to never work and still live in relative luxury (compared to 90% of the planets citizens standards).
“We're not interested in free money. We want to work and earn our own money,” Gambardella said."
How refreshing!!!! That s how America used to be BEFORE THE NANNY GOVERNMENT WE HAVE NOW!!
i call it over netting when the nets trail more than a mile behind a ship not sure if thats really fishing
Hey Department of Energy......I loved watching the Whooping Cranes when they wer abundent and are now almost extinct. So now, I cannot view the Cranes because there are so few of them.
Where is my "FREE MONEY" to make up for my lost LOVE ?
MisterWonderful--The fisherman says there are plenty of fish to catch but they are prevented from catching them by the Government. Let me use an analogy to explain. My grandfather lived in Vermont and was talking about how much wood it took to heat his house. He said " You need 6-7 acres of hardwood forest to heat your home so that you will always have enough and never run out". Now there's a lot of trees on 6-7 acres but if you cut them all you must wait 40 years before you can cut again. 40 cold winters. Soft woods grow faster but you would need twice as much wood and forest to have a sustainable wood lot. Well the ocean is no different and fishermen need a job every year.
Fish quotas in the world's oceans are set by treaty. The fish off the east coast of the US, may have spawned off of Iceland, migrated past the British Isles, ate herring off of Norway, etc., dependent upon ocean currents and their particular biology. These treaty agreements between nations, in essence say. " You can catch so many tons of these fish, but to do so you must limit the the number of ( Norwegian manufactured ) goods exported to the US.
This allows for fishermen in Iceland, Canada, Norway, Ireland, etc, to have a shot at the harvest, and at the same time put restrictions on imports and exports of other goods between countries, and so therefore these are really not totally US fisheries stocks, under US fisheries management, and certainly not fish which belong to the fishermen. The fishermen are licensed to conduct commerce.
Thanks for the intelligent comments in 1.19, 1.21, and 1.22.
Obviously, by the posts, there are some kids who are just goofing off on this thread. Why not use your computers to google "wild life management/fish" and gain some knowlege so your posts can be more than just spouting off about something of which you have no knowledge or understanding?
(The ones who are not children: fine example you set when you face disappointment. Lashing out at everything willl not make you win in November. Take it on the road!)
anIndividual--see, I agree, but the fact is, the GOVERNMENT is not necessarily the best arbiter of what is right in 'rationing' of funds, resources, et al.
I am reminded of when the MO River (about 15 years ago) at its upper reaches, was experiencing a drought over several years, so flow was down.
Now the Corps of Engineers, (whose MAIN job is to maintain navigability of the US water courses) decided that it was MORE important to let more water OUT of the dams in those drought ridden areas in order to preserve $900 million worth of BARGE traffic, even though the financial LOSSES in those states were in the BILLIONS from lost crops/tourism at lake areas, etc., by lowering the lakes/reservoirs MORE than the amount that was 'coming in' to them.
I believe 5 states successfully SUED to stop that, and to require the Corps of Engineers to do financial studies and BALANCE the losses of both sides.
STILL--they arbitrarily decided that the CROPS and farm land in SE Missouri were not as imortant as New Orleans was, OR the cost of REPLACING the levee that the Corps BLASTED to allow some of the flood waters to dump onto MO farmland/crops/homes, etc.
I don't think we should be subsidizing small fishermen. But I ALSO don't think we should be giving any tax breaks/subsidies to the MONSTER fishing conglomerates.
What he's really saying is: "I don't care if we have to fish every last friggin' fish out of the ocean and I don't want to look for any other way to earn my money."
of course...... we simply must stop this global whining...................................:)
We pay farmers to NOT grow crops, now we're going to pay fisherman to NOT catch fish. Brilliant.
Name the program so I can sign up. There has been no pay for no growing for 25 years.
Farm Program Pays $1.3 Billion to People Who Don't Farm
try google ..... though it has to do with soil preservation and better farming practices
Gotta keep the unemployment up in order to spread the wealth!
or is it: Buy the vote for such a benevolent leader. . . remember, lest you forgot, the policies of this administration are not responsible for GDP decline and shrinkage or high unemployment. The nanny state is doing what is best for you.
Paying farmers not to grow crops was a substitute for agricultural price
support programs designed to ensure that farmers could always sell their crops
for enough to support themselves. The price support program meant that farmers
had to incur the expense of plowing their fields, fertilizing, irrigating,
spraying, and harvesting them, and then selling their crops to the government,
which stored them in silos until they either rotted or were consumed by
rodents. It was much cheaper just to pay farmers not to grow the crops in the
first place.
How can they take an adequate count on the stocks of fish in the ocean? I can see counting the number and frequency of fish caught by fisherman-but it's not like they can go out in the open ocean and take a census on schools of fish! Maybe fish are learning that they are less likely to be caught if they move to deeper water?
singMOM,
They have been monitoring fish populations for a very long time, now. It is not difficult to determine when the populations decrease to the point where they are unsustainable.
I agree, same with dinosaurs. How do they know they don't exist? Maybe they just moved to parts of the country that nobody lives in and hides, surely they don't want to be counted either. I know that is what happened to all the prehistoric fish, they are still there they just went into hiding.
That would be science.
IT involves math. Yes they can do it.
Let's not forget bigfoot, too. He is getting scarce. We should be subsidizing bigfoot hunters, as well.
Off the Eastern coast of Africa the fish are so depleted that the plankton die and sink to the bottom. As they rot, they produce hydrogen sulfide. Periodically, the gas is released en mass, turning the water white to such an extent, it can be seen by satellite from space. This in turn, kills many more fish. The PBS program was about the mountain gorillas. When the fish kills would occur, bush meat took up the slack.
In case you don't get it, nature could care less what we kill. It is just that when there isn't anything else to eat, we will start eating each other and then go extinct ourselves. Nature will recover, we won't.
course you realise "soft" dudes will be the first eaten....................:)
Robert
A few weeks back, NBC did an article about a guy dressed as Big Foot - he got slam dunked not once but twice by 2 different autos and died on the scene. I am sure the population in Big Foot is dwindling too!
The good news is he was deleted from the species pool (man or big foot) but am also glad he can't reproduce his genes. The bad news is the real Big Foot may have seen this and is traumatized because he missed out on a mating ritual!
jack...loved that report i still laugh when i think of it. he got hit TWICE both times by teenage girls......whats the odds? hahahahahaha..............................:)
No, the Gov does not supplement all industries. When Florida's net ban went into effect or when the oysters bed are closed due to much freshwater, we do something else. We tried the too warm water excuse but we were told that we lived in Florida and the gulf was suppose to be warm.
the govt certainly hasn't been supplementing MY business, the gigolo business for some reason declines more every year...............:)
IT's tough. Before we ruin something, name whatever you want, people warn that what we are doing will ruin it. But in everycase, the people who make money on the resource insist it is unfair to target them, that the resource is endless and can't be harmed the way they intend to operate and besides the gubmint will monitor it and the scientists hired in the gubmint will keep it safe. So the conservative voices get shouted down and put in their place and next thing you know, mysteriously, and always without blame of course, the resource is ruined. And we all move on to the next item and proceed to ruin that too. Scientists prostitute themselves for that gubmint grant or federal gubmint benefit package and always find a way to "OK" the activity that eventually ruins the resource. The gubmint has cover cause the flunkies they hired said "ok". The guys who wipe out the resource are OK because they get rich in the process. Only the environment and the animals are not OK cause they are the ones ruined. So the next time a conservator says dont ruin that resource - you're doing it wrong, Make sure we all join in shouting the guy down, spew venim at him and call him names like unamerican, racist and such. It always helps.
Maybe it's time to try a new wrinkle.
bill.....could work, but it would be allot easier on me if we just banned all them cougar hunters................:)
Or institute a ...... wait for it ...... bag limit.
bawwwwhhhhhahahahahaha good one bill
IA, you sure are "motivated" today!
Your frickin' government at work. Those morons in DC and state capitols will destroy this once great country. First we started to pay people for having kids and not working. Then we started telling farmers that they can't grow crops and pay for that. Now we will tell fishermen to stop catching fish and, once again, pay for that. Where does it stop? Did we lose common sense? Is it time for "American Spring" type of a revolution to counter Wall Street protests by lazy liberal arts graduates, who can't make it in the free society, because their government told them that they are entitled to do what they "like" instead of what they have to? People, are you mad yet? Does your government drive you insane to the point that you feel like screening at the top of your lungs? Are you outraged enough to say "Enough is enough"? If you are not at that point yet, then you are one of them, instead of one of US.
Name the program so I can sign up. There has been no pay for not growing for 25 years.
Now! Now! Now, Gregory! You KNOW that the Government knows what's best for us!
Ok liberal farmer...........How many SUBSIDIES DO FARMERS GET FROM THE GOVT ?
How about the biggest farmers get the most govt help and are told what not to grow.
How about ethanol payouts for something that makes GAS mileage WORSE and also COSTs more and even creates more global warming than if it did not exist..........
and the ethanol also RUINS MANY ENGINES boat motors are very expensive and this fuel KILLS THEM!!!!!It is BAD FOR YOUR CARS AND ANY MOTOR not SPECIFICALLY designed for it.
The re3gualtor says it is global warming and he works for the EPA GOVT LIARS and the fisherman says there are plenty of fish out there...........
The EPA is a liberal nut case and needs to be cut in half. DAVE simpson is either an idiot or a LIAR and i bet he is BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So you guys hate the government. I suppose for you the only things left to trust are the multinational corporations.Baine, maybe? Enron would love you guys. they hated restrictions and regulations but they got caught cheating. Corporations love your anti-government rants because they too,suffer horribly from restrictions. Take the agri-giant that puts pesticides in the corn itself. There have been compaints that there is a super-worm that has developed. Would you like to eat the modified corn? Or is that too much regulation for you if the government steps in. Trader Joes and some supermarkets refuse to sell that corn. But you will be able to buy it and feed your children with that corn on the cob from WalMart. Another fine corporation, that you should trust. I hope you won't mind if Exxon puts an oil drill in your neighbors yard and of course it will not affect the water you drink. Do you also hate the military? The US Navy has a Task Force Climate Change in the arctic. Our government also has satellites that are monitoring CO2 in our atmosphere., among other things. They believe in Climate Change, fellas and so does the USAF. Why you think someone saying there is plenty of fish when they are depleted, is beyond me. Maybe they don't have the logs and data on record that the "government" has. Experts believe we will run out of wild caught fish and depend on fish farming totally in 50 years if we do not manage things correctly. Not to mention the acidification of the oceans and the rising temperature. The gulf waters were charted as the the warmest on record this summer and some areas were 91' when the hurricane came along. That should alarm you. Without government, the Japanese could come right in a few extra miles and drag up all the fish they wanted, and the whales. . Without government, your righteous fisherman could start "fishing' with dynamite.The government has a job to protect US citizen and you don't like the restrictions....Big babys.
Can I stop going to work and get paid also?
sure,................ its called getting elected.............:)
Yes! Send me all your worldly assets and here's I.A. to tell you how. But wait theres more, if you act today I will send you information on how you can make tons of money from home.
Typical watermen always wanting to over fish - never worried about the future -even their own
he says, while casually munching a fish sandwich at long john silvers.......................:)
You idiots believe the fisherman is the problem...........
The govt regulator is the problem IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!
Global warming is a SCAM and that is what this lieatard is using to base his analysis on......
There is no shortage of fish but they are being REGULATED TO DEATH by a crazed govt trying to justify their pay check and they need to be FIRED!!!!!
I bet the idiot regulator could not catch a fish and i bet the fisherman could put that idiot on fish in minutes. Thats why he thinks there is an shortage, because he has NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING
And all these years I've been wasting money on bait and lures instead of just using the Congressional Record.
Watch THE END OF THE LINE. The End of the Line Trailer - YouTube.
tao
will i get paid to watch it? .....or at least have my electrical usage subsidised?........:)
It should not be the government's job to subsidize any industry involving natural resources. It is the job of the industry to harvest responsibly. The government is not obligated to provide its citizens and certainly not its corporate captains with income should resources for their businesses be depleted or run dangerously low. Sometimes you just have to get a different job. Sorry, fishermen. Native Americans wouldn't have killed off all the bison just because they could sell their skins. Nor did they fish the rivers to starve the bears.
Hmmmm ..... that would be all of them, wouldn't it? Except, possibly, banking.
On this planet it is the job of industry to take a natural resource, modify it in such a way that it has increased value, and sell it at a profit. What planet are you speaking of?
I agree. End welfare now.
You expect one specific group to act responsible? As far as acting responsible goes, at what point do you choose to ask a group to act responsible. We could start when Nixon claimed to be not a thief or Clinton lying to Congress and asking Congress to define sex.
Denver Bill & IA Scooter
Dang you guys are on it today! LMAO
On the rope selling, if it was hemp rope, and sold it by the foot, you'd be in a losing proposition. 3 finger baggies are the max.
Some of these postersaren't quite getting it and it is a relief to instill humor, especially US Gov BS Regs. Thanks
Enjoy Life, isn't it grand!
jack thank you... i try
"Those devoid of humor are truly poor".....know who said that?
..... i just did.
(gotcha)
Someone has to put limits on them! Fish populations have shrunk worldwide with all the over fishing!
worked well with deer "bag limits" ...now i don't have to lug a heavy gun through the woods, just drive down the road at night and ....BOOM.... instant dinner, kinda tough on my truck tho...........:)
IA, yep!
Reminds me of the time I happened upon a naked woman while hunting. I asked her, "Are you game?" She said, "Yes!" So I shot her.
chuckle!
"Fish populations have shrunk".
SO? Fish still reproduce. If one species becomes extinct, so what? Eat something else. Thye US ran out of Buffalo for a while; we survived just fine.
yep but i bet the females aren't near as happy......................................:)
Fred
Some people in China have been eating puppies for centuries - what "something else" are you proposing?
good "catch" jack.... and may i add ...."welcome aboard"..........:)
what about other contries how do you regulate them. is it our U.S. fishermen only or do the fish swim only to our nets?
I'm with you to a point, I just don't understand why your post is just aimed at the middle class and poor. Surely you know our government doesn't descriminate against the wealthy. These are other things our government promotes: Haliburton selling gas to our troops for 5 times what they could just buy it for at an Iraqi gas station and getting no bid contracts so they can charge the taxpayer whatever they wanted, people that make 100 million a year paing no tax or a rate of 13% while an upper middle class family man pays 35%, If you are an oil company the government will give you all the oil you want and buy it back at any price you ask so you can make billions in profit, making legislation based on how much money a politician received and from whom. You get the idea and we both could go on all day long.
No upper middle class family man pays 35% of his income in federal tax unless he chooses to. Show me a sample tax return where someone with a spouse and children, making $100,000, pays $35,000 in federal income tax. Or someone making $200,000 paying $70,000. You can't, because it doesn't happen.
Oh, and the 'people that make $100 million' paying 13%? That means they pay 13 MILLION in taxes. The fictional $150,000 guy pays $52,500 at 35%. The millionaire doesn't use any more public services (fire and police protection, public transit, libraries, public schools, roads, bridges)than the average person; he probably uses FEWER.
So tell me who isn't paying their 'fair share'; the millionaire with 2 kids who pays 13%, or the $25,000/year guy with 6 kids who pays NOTHING?
kinda like "if you show me yours I'll show you mine"?.............................:)
this whole thing sounds kinda fishy to me....................
I agree with limits, but not free money for not working. It seems there should be other options of what to do with your boats other than catch the depleted fish.
people don't catch fish... people with BOATS catch fish....we simply must ban boat's.....................:)
I also feel the fisherman's loss should not be compensated. If qualified they may be able to apply for unemployment. Everyone these days are learning or must learn to become flexible when it comes to making a living.
Thank you for your support, government. There should never be a risk for americans who venture into business. With government partnership there will be secure income even if business fails. Assign failures to the rich and force them to use their obviously ill gotten gains from fraud, murder, coercion, lying, you know, the usual business practices libs know all business people use to gain evil profit. If that should run out, just crank up the presses and print mo' money, mo' money! Gosh, livin in america has never been so good!
taken from the "lib logic 101" handbook.
great post Hog, .....you may have a cookie..............................:)
Bet he "squeels" when he has to pay up!
Thank you IA.ScooterTramp. I must have what I want but have developed a certain sense of compromise to get that. It is narrow but I can accept oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip. Naturally, if I don't get what I want, lawsuits and possibly riots and burnings could ensue. If not that, at least a hissy fit. The hissy fit has become a art form for supposed journalists (actually commentators) who feign disgust with everyone and everything.
Now, about that cookie...
i do this kinda thing just for the halibut......................:)
GROAN!
lets outlaw fishing, hell living next to the Mississippi i can do a damn good business as a "fish smuggler"........:)
Good one!
I understand there is a market, although limited at this time, for 32oz soda cups in NY. I'm just waiting for the right product to be outlawed and then I'm going to jump into the "procurement and transportation" business. At one time Coors beer by the case was quite lucrative and much safer than drugs.
dang hog...that's a great idea !! all ya need is super size cups and a location, i can just see the little sliding door on the speakeasy now..............gotta watch for the cops though ....oh wait.. they only hit bystanders in NYC.....never-mind.................................:)
I don't think they should be paid not to fish. They should be fined every time they go over quota and lose their license with a 2nd offense. There will always be someone willing to come in and fish those waters if these fisherman don't like it. Proper resource management is in the best interest of all Americans and should not be subordinated to a few people that happen to be making money off of it.
why not? we pay politicians not to think...................:)
Our government has been paying people to nothing for along time.If you don't believe me just look at,the house ,senate,and the president, they all get money after they retire. Not to mention war companies.Lockheed Martin and Boeing,How many planes have we had them build for military,and footed the cost of there build.Then they never get built.
America went from we can repair that,to it broke we will throw it away and get a new one.
boeing ordered 100 COMMERCIAL airplanes last month.... just sayin..............
Here in Virginia, a waterman decided to stop crabbing as crab population was dwindling. On monthly reports he ask if this would affect him negatively when the population of crabs increased. Virginia said no. The result was his crab license put on hold for three years and now this year other crabbers and state says crab popultion is at highest level in 30 years. THE STATE DECIDED TO EXTEND THE HOLD FOR ANOTHER YEAR. The state bought some crab licenses, people sold theirs to the state and bought other people's license for less and continue to crab. And fish...if you hook and line,no problem,if you do it for a living, you are screwed.
Yes, there are some huge outfits that clean the bay out of little fish. But I'm talking, one man, one boat. They are the ones that stand to lose the most. Most small fisherman around here understand it takes little fish to replentish the edible fish. Big outfits sell their little fish for catfood.
And don't get me started on imported seafoods..Fuel prices go up, fish and crab prices remain stuck in the 80's.Maybe because fisherman have to catch so much to make a meager living, they must catch more to cover costs.
The most popular hook and line fish are protected and they eat tiny crabs and fish. I'm not a crabber or fisherman, but I know many that are. This is a complicated issue, but what it comes down to is big outfits don't worry about a fine, it would put a little man out of business.
pretty crabby bunch if you ask me, cant blame em though, had em once, boy did they itch.........:)
one voter: if it is like everything else the big offenders pay lawyers rather than fines.
c. moakler
are you trying to say that... lawyers,.... that upstanding group of caring, loving,overly concerned, pillars of the community ....would somehow seek to profit from someone Else's misery?
surely sir you jest....I'm shocked...SHOCKED i say... that you would even suggest such a preposterous notion............:)
If we take as many fish as we want now,let the fish try to make a come back the fish might not be around in 30 to 50 years down the road then what are you going to do?,You and your kid's are going to be out of a job any way's...........
in the year 2525...... if man is still alive...if woman can survive...... they may find.................:)
i liiiike it sing more
On It:
I call bullsh!t. What federal rate adid you pay? There is no way in hell you or anyone else paid 35%. just another bullsh!t talking point brought to you by the liberals. The effective tax rate is what you pay after deductions (legal). So save it, no one buys the lie any more. And we now know 47% of the US taxpayers pay zero fed taxes.
In 2008, when the construction depression hit, most of my competition bankrupted. I have paid every dime. I took every job offered and bid like crazy for the first three years of it, thinking, like most of us, that it would end in a couple of years. Well, it is over and now if you want to contract you need to get a couple of illegal alien crews, because that is what it takes to compete. the Obama administration has done everything to guarintee that this nation will never again be a nation that respects the rule of law.
Would unemployment rates go up if people that were working but are now unable to practice their craft because government mandates made them unemployed? Remember that it is the government that gave us that bottomless pit called ethanol, meanwhile we are wasting billions of gallons of our water to help produce natural gas so it can be exported. But we need to have fishermen act responsible and not catch fish.
not in an election year acording to nbc.
huh?
I see you too have read the lib logic 101 handbook .......................:)
Mike Gambardella-"We're not interested in free money. We want to work and earn our own money."
Which translates into we don't the government or anyone else monitoring our resources. We want to be able to overharvest and deplete the resources to the point that they can't recover, THEN the government can step in and subsidize us.
Typical greedy ass who makes their living exploiting and destroying our natural resources for their own gain.
yep...Damn em all, well enough for today think i will go cut the grass, have a few beers and fire up the grill...for some reason grilled salmon steaks sound good today................:)
IMO: Like so many other down-sized idustries, these fisherpersons ought to change careers. Just like so many of us had to do. The world food supply is shrinking for the already large and growing population. If we are not careful, mankind will destroy everything mother nature provides; through greed and selfish habits. Unless we replenish our seas, the seafood harvest will be shrinking. Unfortunately some of the Asian countries have no regulation as to how many servings of seafood they may take out of the worlds seafood supply. Rationing and regulation are basic common sense approaches to the worlds dwindeling natural food supply. We can use any other ideas or recommendations instead of all those thoughtless blah..blah...blahs.