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Subscribe to RSSFBI agents have arrested a teen they say planned to detonate a car bomb outside a bar in downtown Chicago. NBC's Michelle Franzen reports.
An 18-year-old from Chicago was arrested during an undercover operation in which agents pretending to be extremists provided him with a phony car bomb that he intended to detonate outside a downtown bar, the U.S. District Attorney's office in Chicago said Saturday.
Adel Daoud of Chicago's Hillside suburb was arrested Friday night.
The U.S. Attorney's Office said in a news release Saturday the device was inert and the public was never at risk.
Daoud was charged in court Saturday with attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction and attempting to damage and destroy a building with an explosive.
Federal prosecutors say the FBI began monitoring him after he posted material online about "violent jihad" and the killing of Americans.
"About 7:15 p.m. yesterday, Daoud met the undercover agent in Villa Park and they drove to downtown Chicago," the U.S. Attorney's Office said in a statement. "During the drive, Daoud led the undercover agent in a prayer that Daoud and the agent succeed in their attack, kill many people, and cause destruction. They entered a parking lot where a Jeep containing the purported explosive device was parked. Daoud then drove the Jeep out of the parking lot and parked the vehicle in front of a bar in downtown Chicago, which was the target that he had previously selected. According to the affidavit, Daoud exited the vehicle and walked to an alley approximately a block away, and in the presence of the undercover agent,attempted to detonate the device by pressing the triggering mechanism. He was then arrested."
A teenager is accused placing a fake bomb, supplied by the FBI, near a Chicago bar. NBC's John Yang reports.
A preliminary court hearing was set for Monday.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I'm saddened that this wasn't handled quietly by the Black Ops people. They could have terminated this terrorist and no one would ever have needed to know about it. There is no reason to draw media attention to people like this. Just get rid of them and move on.
It is better to be public for others to see you will get caught. Now hang him in a downtown square for all to see the final result.
just fear mongering from the media
I'm waiting for the Islam apologists to explain to us how this was all orchestrated by a Christian right-wing nut trying to make Muslims look bad...
We should go and find the rest of his family and terminate them as well.
Baldman: Exactly. Or for them to tell us that Islam is a relgion of peace and that Americans are just paranoid.
Or they might even go further back and tell us how many christians killed others during the Crusades. ( haha)
Paduki,
"I'm saddened that this wasn't handled quietly by the Black Ops people."
I think you play too many video games. In real life, it is the FBI that is charged with the prevention of acts of domestic terrorism. But that's OK, they can handle it while you go back to playing your video games. Don't let reality disturb you! Kudos to the FBI on this! Another stupid would be terrorist bites the dust.
A little bomb placed near a bar is now classified as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. What about the 1000, 750, 500 lbs MK bombs that the US dropped in Afghan and Pakistan?
Exactly, they would get the message when others started to just disappear
Wow are you a real American? Do you believe in the Constitution? And what makes you think this kid would have done anything if he was never contacted by these agents. This kid was stupid but also manipulated by much smarter people. It's sad that our gov't agencys have been reduced down to this. Just remember when things get real bad for the rest of us, I hope you all don't get fooled into stupid acts.
This guy is just using religion to perform his crimes. There is nothing In the Quran which states about blowing things up.
Just blowing up a neighborhood bar is a rather unimaginative, bland choice. But thank goodness he did not succeed! Put him in prison for life!
TV-MISSILE,
"There is nothing In the Quran which states about blowing things up."
That's true. In fact, the Arabs didn't even have bombs and gunpowder in the Prophet Muhammad's day; neither did the Europeans. I don't think gunpowder was introduced until Marco Polo's time.
Baldman, Jackson-2576676 has arrived.
And in reply to Jackson, are we to assume that if undercover FBI agents showed up at your door and told you to bomb a court building, you would do it? There is stupid and there is evil and there is a difference. The FBI doesn't just pick people at random to set up in sting operations. He was doing/saying things that set off alarm bells.
Luckily it was the FBI that met this dimwit first and not a group that actually had the hate or will to give him the real thing.
This lone kid no more represented Islam than the shooter in Colorado represented the anti Batman Clan.
Kids have anger issues - you could set up my bi-polar step son just as easily. I'm not sure who he would claim he represented, but he clearly has wished revenge on just about everyone who he has seen as disrespecting him. I'd probably be one of his targets - he doesn't like logic much...LOL.
darcie....esactly
jackson...if the fbi were to try something like this to me id turn him in. i wouldnt drive the jeep to the bar, park it, attempt to set off the bomb...and prior to this...prayer thay many were killed!!!! we need to set an example...dont spank him on the hand like we do drug dealers and those who rob using dangerous weapons...his 1st offense?..lock him away for life. hes an idiot and doesnt belong on the streets.
Mickey-1983943
You tell'em Mickey! Man...so glad we have smart people like you around to tell us what reality is.
Thing is...I agree with Paduki and no I don't watch or play video games and yes I do live in the real world. It would not be a stretch...well maybe for you...to have black ops take care of a problem like this...of course you would never hear about it and wouldn't know to not make yourself look foolish by claiming only the FBI would handle something like this. But that's ok...not everyone can think for themselves.
Next time think before you go about trying to make other people look stupid and just stick on topic.
And yes...kudos to the FBI.
SteveMW,
"It would not be a stretch to have black ops take care of a problem like this.."
Yes, it would be a stretch for black ops to take care of the problem for the simple reason that they are not tasked with domestic counter-terrorism. That is the FBI's job. Every government agency has its own charter and tasking, and domestic counter-terrorism is not the job of "black ops". It is the job of the FBI. I suppose you think the CIA is tasked with collecting intelligence on Americans in the U.S., too. Nope. The CIA is part of the National Foreign Intelligence Community. It's job is collecting intelligence abroad; not at home.
Black Ops my ass. He was discovered, evidence gathered, he was arrested. Now he will be tried and punished as the law of America prescribes. If you do not believe, for any reason, in our modern, democratic legal system, perhaps you should move to a country that believes in Black Op methods. Go to a land that does not believe in the system of civil law that frees us from the tyranny of natural law and the mistaken aphorism that "might makes right." Every time one of you makes your foolish statements about disregarding our law, you give the terrorist element another round of ammunition.
I'd like to know how the law latched on to him in the first place. And what kind of "terrorist" deals with people he doesn't even know? "Hey dude, got a bomb? I'm a terrorist and want to cause death and mayhem. Don't tell anybody though."
KeenInsight,
"And what kind of "terrorist" deals with people he doesn't even know? "Hey dude, got a bomb?"
That's a good observation, and I guess it applies to all sorts of illegal activities, too. Since I have never bought illegal drugs, I've always wondered how one goes about it. Do you just go up to a stranger and say, "Hey, dude. Got any cocaine or meth or marijuana?" I guess you just have to have connections, only sometimes those connections turn out to be the wrong kind.
Oh, my naive friend. You have NO idea what really goes on behind the scenes to keep this country safe!
There are so many tireless men and women that sacrifice so much to keep us safe, yet there are so many idiots with their stupid conspiracy theories, with no basis in fact. Sad.
Chicago, Chicago that BOOM toddlin town...
Well, yes, Mike--I don't run in terrorist circles and I'm not in law enforcement, so I wouldn't be privy to the ins and outs of the business except for what I read and see in news reports. I suspect they either had an informant or picked something up monitoring his phone calls or computer usage.
However, I wonder how someone could be so naive--and I guess an 18-year old on his own would be-- as to work with people he doesn't know.
To be honest, I don't care how they found out, but much like other departments that monitor sights to catch pedophiles and what not, he got spotted. If you don't think some nut like this can pull it off, Timmy did it to a gov. building.
My only concern is if he some how gets off, If I had been at some bar with my wife and we left my child parent less, I would hope a piece of sH!t like this would receive swift punishment. I don't want to be a pretend victim either.
Good job boys, god bless and keep up the good work.
At first, I thought he wanted to bomb the chicago bears.
http://news.yahoo.com/teen-charged-trying-blow-chicago-bar-203440707.html
The FBI began monitoring Daoud after he posted material online about violent jihad and the killing of Americans, federal prosecutors said.
In May, two undercover FBI agents contacted Daoud in response to the postings and exchanged several electronic messages with him in which he expressed an interest in engaging in violent jihad in the United States or abroad, according to an affidavit by an FBI special agent.
Prosecutors say that after being introduced to an undercover FBI agent who claimed to be a terrorist living in New York, Daoud set about identifying 29 potential targets, including military recruiting centers, bars, malls and tourist attractions in Chicago.
Shortly after 7 p.m. Friday, Daoud met in the suburb of Villa Park with the undercover agent who claimed to be from New York, and the two drove to downtown Chicago, where the restaurants and bars were packed with workers ringing in the weekend on a pleasantly warm evening. According to the affidavit, they entered a parking lot where a Jeep Cherokee containing the phony bomb was parked.
Daoud drove the vehicle and parked in front of a bar that was among the pre-selected targets, then walked a block away and attempted to detonate the device by pressing a triggering mechanism in the presence of the agent, according to the affidavit. He was then arrested.
The court documents do not identify the bar.
Prosecutors said Daoud was offered several chances to change his mind and walk away from the plot.
The affidavit said the Daoud was active in jihadist Internet forums and was accessing articles written by Anwar al-Awlaki, the U.S.-born radical cleric who became a key figure in the Yemen-based al-Qaida offshoot known as al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula.
Al-Awlaki was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen last year.
In his communications with one of the FBI agents about possible targets, Daoud allegedly said he wanted to carry out an attack that would kill a large number of people.
"I wanted something that's ... massive; I want something that's gonna make it in the news," he wrote, according to the affidavit. "I want to get to like, for me I want to get the most evil place, but I want to get a more populated place."
For the libtard who doesn't understand what a weapon of mass destruction is, "Weapons that are capable of a high order of destruction and/or of being used in such a manner as to destroy large numbers of people. Weapons of mass destruction can be high explosives or nuclear, biological, chemical, and radiological
weapons, but exclude the means of transporting or propelling the weapon where such means is a separable and divisible part of the weapon." - The Free Dictionary. Try googling before spewing...
This is NOT the first incident of this type in the US. Islamic Radicalism lest we forget Major Nidal Malik Hasan who killed fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, Timothy McVey and the Murra Building in Oklahoma City, the Sikh Temple Massacre in Wisconsin, or Daniel Patrick Boyd, 43, who pleaded about 18 months ago to conspiring to give material support to terrorists and conspiring to murder, kidnap, maim and injure people abroad, received his 18-year sentence in New Bern, North Carolina. Radicalism knows no boundaries, has no concern for innocent people, and certainly stems well beyond liberal points of view.
J_P_PatchesPal_1
Hey, J.P., how's it goin'? How is that divorce from Gertrude proceeding?
I don't know about you but I am not OK with the government being allowed to just kill anyone they call a terrorist without due process.
Oh, the old crusade comparison for the block. Well, how about we return to the 21st century where these bastards are still killing folks whom don't follow their joke religion? Why don't we blame every group for everything they've ever done throughout history whenever such discussions arise.
LMAO @ DG_W.
Got me a lawyer and countered all of Gertrude's claims - I wish I had all the money she wants...LMAO. I had 20 days to respond starting 9/5 - so now my lawyer just has to file my Respondent paperwork.
So far she (Gertrude) hasn't got jihad on me - or Bobbit, so I guess I'm doing good.
Good grief, this was a KID (though by months technically an adult) posting stuff on the internet (sound familiar to anyone who has read these threads?) Instead of offering him the means to live out his internet fantasies and then arresting him for taking them up on it, how about intervening? Putting a psyche hold on him BEFORE he comes to think his fantasies can somehow become real?
And there is Obama's smiling face....."Lets Finish What We Started"......right next to the info. Telling.
Edit; gone jihad.
I told my lawyer we were still living under the same roof - my lawyer asked how that was going - I told her it was better than when we were getting along...now we do the same stuff, her in the living room and me in my office, but now I don't have to listen to her bitch about work every night for three hours.
When will religion be outlawed. Evil should be outlawed.
How many other "kids", young adults, muslims are all over this country declaring to be "peaceful" muslims yet are ticking time bombs waiting to destroy the "infidel Americans"????? THis country has got to STOP allowing foreigners to freely immigrate into this country now. We need to be tracking the whereabouts of ALL here on visa's. ALL here as "students" etc... WE need to close down all of our borders and start deporting everyone who is here illegally straight back to their country of origin!!!! These terrorists must think we are about as dumb as rocks to keep letting people into our country to freely destroy us at will!!!! How many times do we need to hear that all NON-MUSLIMS need to die in horriffic ways???? WE need to start taking care of our own country, our own people, our own debts and problems before we continue to try to be the worlds haven and worlds policemen???? Why do we keep allowing those who spit on our democracy, our freedom, our lives, to freely access all of our resources???
I agree with your first sentence, the rest not so much. You sound disrespectful. And dismissive.
I feel bad for anyone who has you as a parent, bipolar or not. Kids (and adults) who are bipolar have enough to deal with- they shouldn't have to deal with a jerk like you.
phalaeo; my own son is a medical doctor - he seems to think I did a pretty good job of raising him. Funny, when this was a mostly liberal site, I never got collapsed...now the thin skinned neocons collapse me all the time.
If I had been in my bi-polar step sons life before age 13 - he sure as hell wouldn't have turned out like he did. You think I've dismissed him - you should see how disconnected his mother is from him...I guess when you get disrespected as long as she has - I'd disconnect from him too. How many times have you had to restrain your kid while waiting for the cops to show up - that's what I thought - so STFU!
So how does your post relate to the story? DG_W and I go back almost 50 years, so even though our back and forth has nothing to do with the article, doesn't mean we can't have a little fun.
I am glad they arrested him. However, I also believe that the FBI should not release details about the arrest.
Unfortunately, other wannabe terrorists may learn from the article and decide it isn't a good idea to put their ideas on the internet. Maybe they'll actually blow something up next time.
The FBI should have used a Jeep with a confederate flag in the rear window, some "redneck" bumper stickers too. When driving to the bar the young man should have been given directions to drive through some of Chicago south side "hoods". Problem solved at little additional cost to the taxpayer!
@Unhappy - post #1.5
"how many christians killed during a crusade": REALLY!!! I mean............REALLY??!!??
It is doubtful that this weak minded idiot was an actual threat to anyone. Everyone involved, besides the dummy in question, was a Federal Agent. They contacted him. They provided the plan. They provided the means. They steered him.
It is a big leap to go from talking smack on the Internet to taking real world actions. Do these types of operations actually stop any attacks? Would a self motivated terrorist need a prepackaged bomb plot?
Rain, that's all that they can accuse Christians of. The Crusades. How many Christian Suicide bombers have attacked schools or places of Worship in Iran/Iraq/Pakistan, wherever killing innocent women and children?
How many Christians have attacked their embassies killing innocent people?
They have to go back 1000years. We on the other hand, only have to look at yesterdays paper.
IXLR8 -
I have long been in favor of publish punishments. As you noted it works well as a deterent.
Rain: How many muslims killed during a crusade? I mean it was not like the christians were there by ourselves.
How many muslims killed someone this week?
I'm really tired of people like you thinking that christians are the enemy.
That's why even muslims know the left are stupid. Is it just because you just have some lower expectiation of how muslims are supposed to act?
Unhappy reminds me of those anti depressant commercials; are you tired of Christians being attacked? Do you feel the Left is stupid? Have you lowered your expectations - well then you need Cymbalta - just ignore that it gives you the @!$%#s - at least you won't be Unhappy. (but your ass sure will burn)
J_P_PatchesPal_1,
"Unhappy reminds me of those anti depressant commercials; are you tired of Christians being attacked?"
It seems to me that if Christians and Muslims have to get into a pissing contest as to which religion is the worst, it does not say much for either one of them. But that's just my impression.
J_P_PatchesPal_1.....You keep forgetting to mention the Crusades! What's up????
just theme music...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxchPg3Ty9s
I just hope he spends a long time in "pound you in the ass federal prison" where he can have a 6'9" guy named Bubba as his husband .
All things considered, this was a good job by the FBI. However, sooner or later, a few of these whack job sons of the moon god are going to slip under the radar.
Just think about what life in these United States would be like if they managed to blow up a few malls? I don't think we would like the result which could very well be a police state.
What? No Tea Party here that makes the Democrat liberals butthurt? No radical right wingnut that the media and Democrat liberals (and those in the liberal media) say is the real domestic threat, and not radical Islamic terrorism? What part of this story did I miss? It just can't be a Muslim!
Thank you Unhappy. The same people who LOVE to bring up the Crusades (something that happened a THOUSAND years ago say NOTHING about the murderous DAILY occurrences under the name of Islam. When was the last time Christians went on a rage around the globe because someone insulted Jesus? Someone insults their prophet and all hell breaks loose for a WEEK. Hell, liberals and Hollywood insult Jesus all the time, irrespective of the atheist/agnostic troglodytes in this nation that post insults about religion.
Mickey, nice to finally agree with you for a change! Keep it up. And to cheetah, no need to bomb the Bears, they're perfectly capable of "bombing" all by themselves!
OldDog47,
"Mickey, nice to finally agree with you for a change!"
We, as rational people, don't always have to fight about everything, only some things. Look! I even find myself agreeing with Wet Willy in his post above where he says, "All things considered, this was a good job by the FBI. However, sooner or later, a few of these whack job sons of the moon god are going to slip under the radar." He's right because catching terrorists is like trying to catch minnows with a fishing net; they just slip on through the mesh. Wet Willy and I seldom agree on anything.
SteveMW
Don't play video games? Well then your problem is obviously that you watch too many movies. Newsflash- Those aren't any more realistic than video games.
Black ops taking out an American citizen without due process? You can piss of if you think that is acceptable in this instance. We aren't talking about an enemy combatant in a war zone. I'll stick with the Constitution, thank you very much. If you care so little about it why don't you take your nonsense and head over to one of those backwaters in the MidEast because your line of "reasoning" fits right in with the nutjobs over there.
@Unhappy post #1.47
You may be too young or perhaps in typical denial about this country's history of allowing "good christians" to kill its OWN people for the sole purpose of oppressing them and keeping them from enjoyingbasic rights in this country such as the right to work, to vote, to be educated, etc............I'm not too young to remember.............I remember very clearly; and it was all done overtly in the southern regions of this country and covertly in the other regions of this country AND, it was all done in the name of Christianity with the mantra that those murderers were doing the work of GOD! I NEVER stated or even implied that christians were the enemy......I simply question YOUR self-righteousness in making such generalizations about a whole ehnic group who call themselves something other than christians! BTW, I take exception to to your ASSUMPTIONS but particularly the ASSUMPTION that I am left, right or otherwise especially since you have NO BASIS on which to form that opinion!
To Janine:
I don't have to go back 1000 years to see how many christians kill; I only have to go back in MY LIFETIME to see........people who kill in the name of God!! I guess you and Unhappy think it's inconsequential and thus, okay, if people are killed in a singular fashion on a daily basis; God won't look at you unfavorably for that, oh no, quite the contrary............My point is, stop the self righteousness, "lest ye be judged".
Dismissed!
@tv-missile -- the method of the deaths of infidels is irrelevant.
@Side Order Salad
2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. -Bible
It's not the religion because most religions are whacked;, it's the people who choose to live by codes that are thousands of years old. Obviously not all Muslims follow the radical passages of the Quran just like most Christians don't follow the radical passages in the Bible.
@backcountry164
the bible expresses 2 covenants: old and new. don't express one unless you express the other as well.
the quran expresses nothing but violence and domination.
@backcountry164
if i could delete my above comment i would because i feel that it doesn't belong and it doesn't give an answer to your post.
that being said, tv-missile commented that there was nothing in the quran that stated anything about bombs and such. i simply said that the method of how infidels die is irrelevant so long as they die.
as my comment above was misplaced, so is yours.
Side Order Salad,
"the quran expresses nothing but violence and domination."
That is not quite true. I have read the Quran from cover to cover, and there are many passages in it that do not deal with violence and domination. Two of my favorite phrases from it are the words that begin every chapter, "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful" and the one that says, "God is closer to you than your own jugular vein". You have to realize that the Quran was composed during a time of war between the new religion of Islam and the pagan tribe of the Quraysh. That accounts for a lot of the harsh, militant sounding language in it. The same is true of many books of the Old Testament which were also written during a time of war and have a similar harsh, militant sound to them. I would suggest, if you have not done so already, that you obtain an English translation of the Quran and actually read it, looking not just for the harsh passages, but also for the gentler ones. It's only fair, in my opinion, before you come to the conclusion that it expresses nothing but violence and domination.
@mickey-1983943
who is he compassionate to and who is he merciful to? not to infidels.
as i have stated in my "misplaced" post, you cannot express one covenant (or testament) without expressing the other as well. so as you have suggested to me about actually reading the quran, i would also suggest that you read the new covenant (or testament).
in it, you'll see God expressing His love for all of mankind through His Son Jesus Christ.
Side Order Salad,
"i would also suggest that you read the new covenant (or testament)."
I have already read the New Testament from cover to cover as well as the Old Testament. I do not limit my reading in religion to only one religious text of one religion. I have also read the Bhagavad Gita (of the Hindus) from cover to cover, the Upanishads, the Ramayana, some of the Puranas, many of the Buddhist writings including the Jatakas and the Dhammapada (it would be impossible to read all the Buddhist scriptures since they consist of thousands of volumes), many of the writings of the Zoroastrians including the Bundahishn and the Vendidad. I have the entire set of Max Mueller's Sacred Books of the East (all 50 volumes) as well as the entire Babylonian Talmud of the Jews (about 18 volumes) in my library at home. My reading in the realm of religion has been pretty extensive. Is there anything else you would like me to read?
@mickey-1983943
it's good that you have read all those books. i don't see how this relates to the dominant nature of the quran, but it is impressive.
@Side Order Salad
ROTFLMAO!! Yeah right! I'll buy that excuse as soon as you Christians start applying that concept to your veiws regarding gays.
Side Order Salad,
" i don't see how this relates to the dominant nature of the quran, but it is impressive."
All I'm trying to say is that the sacred writings of all religions include a great deal of beauty, wisdom and truth together with a lot of superstition, error, bigotry, nonsense and assorted trash. You just have to learn to separate the nuggets of gold in them from the dross. I will grant you that there is a lot of bigotry and violence in the Quran, but there is more than just that if you look for it. The first time I read the Quran I felt as if I were reading the Old Testament. It has the same sort of tone to much of the language as the Old Testament. But consider this, what Christians consider the Old Testament is the entire Bible to the Jews, yet, in spite of all the violence, genocide, war and bigotry in the Old Testament, have you known the Jewish people to be a particularly violent people? I haven't. Because the Old Testament also contains some of the most beautiful language and lofty thoughts in the Bible, and the Jews focus on what is best in it; not on what is worst. It's all a matter of what you focus on.
@backcountry164
when christians speak out against racism, it's a good thing and people won't say anything against that. as soon as homosexuality is involved, christians are branded as a hateful sect and all hell breaks loose.
life is sacred. race and sexuality is intrinsic to life thereby making it sacred. so how can you sacralize one and desacralize the other?
a proclivity does not justify expressing that proclivity.
@mickey-1983943
thank you for your thoughts. personally, i cannot get over the fact that in the quran there is absolutely no hope for the infidel. even in the lofty thoughts and beautiful language that may be found in the quran, this is still reserved for muslims only.
in the old testament, however, there is hope even for the gentile; and this comes to fruition in the new.
Side Order Salad,
"i cannot get over the fact that in the quran there is absolutely no hope for the infidel."
Yes, but the infidel is simply one who does not believe in God. Islam "means submission to God". Can anyone be "saved" who does not believe in God? You fault Islam with claiming that it is the only way to salvation, but doesn't Christianity claim the same thing? Didn't Jesus say in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me."? That's why both religions send missionaries to foreign lands to convert the heathen so they may be saved. Each teaches that it is the only way to salvation. There is really no difference in that respect between the two religions. Both Christianity and Islam are what is called "religions of salvation" in contrast to Judaism or Hinduism which are ethnic religions.
@mickey-1983943
i would have to disagree with this. the big difference between christianity and any other religion, for that matter, is the fact that Jesus made outrageous claims (the one you posted being one of them) and solidified it through His resurrection. He proved the claims He made.
muhammad, buddha, confucious, no other religious leader in history made such claims much less proved it.
Side Order Salad,
"the big difference between christianity and any other religion, for that matter, is the fact that Jesus made outrageous claims (the one you posted being one of them) and solidified it through His resurrection. He proved the claims He made."
You believe he was resurrected because that is what you were brought up to believe. Certainly you were not there to witness his resurrection personally. And that is the problem with religions of salvation. Each claims to be the only way to salvation, and the followers of each are convinced that theirs is the only way usually because that is what they were brought up to believe. You obviously cannot have two "only ways to salvation". The word "only" is derived from the word "one". It literally means "one-ly". And one is not two or three or more. There can be only one "only way to salvation". That is where the friction comes in between religions of salvation, and why they often end up killing each other in order to "save" each other.
@mickey-1983943
certainly i wasn't there to witness the resurrection, as you have stated, but it does not mean that my belief of the resurrection came from what i was brought up to believe. this is why we have documents, written accounts of eye-witnesses of the time.
a judge presiding over a murder trial renders a verdict based on the evidence that is presented, not on what was personally seen by him or her.
my belief of the resurrection stems off of the accounts of the four eye-witnesses that was there at the time. not to mention other evidences related to the matter.
many people have tried to discredit these eye-witnesses, but to no avail. cassioli of italy tried to take this matter to court. the judge, however, threw out his case.
so, no. my beliefs does not come from what i was brought up to believe. it came from evidences that led me to the conclusion that the resurrection is a historical fact.
Side Order Salad
What does that have to do with homosexuality? NO WHERE in the New Testament does it speak out against homosexuality, only that marriage should be between a man and a woman. So much for your "the bible expresses 2 covenants: old and new. don't express one unless you express the other as well."
Just more excuses as I expected
This is identical to the domestic terroristic psyop (18 USC § 2331) the fbi pulled in Portland, Oregon (28Nov2010) to force Portland to allow complete emergency federal control of all of Portland's emergency resources without oversight nor even knowledge of what they were being made to do. Portland was the only major city in the U.S. which refused to submit. The local newspaper, The Oregonian (corporate), reported it "BOMB" "CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING" "ARAB" "TERRORIST" "FBI SAVES", and subsequently, identically to the above like a bad script. The arrest affidavit (SAIC Dwyer) was crap, all weasel words, wild interpretations (this agent knows the 'code' and knows that when these people say "Hello" in an email they really mean "Let's blow up the WTC again!"), set-up situations and recitations from the 18 year old patsy carefully planted in him, and just plain lies. Find Mr Mohamud's arrest warrant (scribd) and, if you have the mental capacity, put yourself in his position (just 18 y.o.). Read in the Oregonian what his friends thought: "He's the most normal guy...!(?)" His parents had recently told him that they were going to divorce. I think that if you examine the individual mentioned in this article, you will discover recent severe psychological trauma with grief. This seems to be common to most of the victims of this ever repeating FBI domestic terrorist scenario and probably makes it possible for the handler (who was previously a Middle Eastern bounty hunter providing willing suicide bombers to anyone for a profit) to penetrate the damaged personality and pull the victims emotional strings directly as an 'uncle' or 'big brother'figure. In grief, one's personal protective defenses are strongly compromised and you become pliable, lack judgement, and lose personal worth. Then the recorded public vow to god and family to carry out this mission of G-d. Creating a teenage suicide bomber is not an art, it's a science, honed over generations. This FBI operation is a fraud and covers up something else in the Chicago area. And to have the predator befriend the kid at Mosque. These child molesters are pure psychopaths. Almost two years later, a very bright young Mr. Mohamed Osman Mohamud still sits in solitary confinement through his 19th and 20th years on planet for being poisoned by these same monsters. We need to disband this treasonous psychopathic FBI and start over with fresh, less morally compromised people. And we need to do it soon. They are a tool of our deranged, rapacious elite whom we must also eliminate completely as soon as we are able.
Side Order Salad,
" but it does not mean that my belief of the resurrection came from what i was brought up to believe. this is why we have documents, written accounts of eye-witnesses of the time."
Yes, but documents can be forged and eye-witnesses can be mistaken in what they thought they saw. Our judicial system is just now coming around to recognizing that fact about eye-witnesses. At any rate, you seem to be on the defensive as if I am trying to say that what you believe is wrong. That is not what I am saying. Thousands of books have been written both defending Christianity and arguing against it. So I don't think you and I are going to be able to answer the question of whether or not Christianity is true in a mere blog. If I tried to prove that what you believe is wrong, we would just end up in a fruitless and endless argument. What you believe is what you believe. The only thing I was trying to do is to point out the source of conflict between religions of salvation each of which claims to be the only way to salvation. If you can accept the fact that Muslims are just as convinced of the truth of their own religion as you are of yours for whatever reasons, then I think you will be able to understand why there is so much strife among these religions. But you are mistaken if you think I am saying that one is right and the other is wrong. I take no such stand on that question.
@backcountry164
are you sure about this? read romans chapter 1. hopefully, you'll see the answer there. i would like to make this clear though, the condemnation falls on the lifestyle not the person.
is it possible for a homosexual to be a born-again christian? yes.
is it possible for this born-again christian with homosexual tendencies continue in the practice of homosexuality while living for and walking with Christ?
one needs to know when to draw the line and what he or she is willing to surrender for the sake of Christ.
@mickey1983943
thank you for making it clear. and in regards to this:
i would like to say a big AMEN to that! i think the both of us have been in enough endless and fruitless arguments that would probably last a life time.
it was a pleasure having this dialogue with you. good day!
Side Order Salad,
"it was a pleasure having this dialogue with you. good day!"
And the same to you!
Hey J.P., why don't you go all Boris S. Wart on her?
https://www.facebook.com/boris.wort
Blowing up bars...what's next...bowling alleys...barber shops...greeting card stores?
the point is to cause fear man, they want to create the impression that nobody is safe ANYWHERE. from a bar packed with maybe a few dozen patrons to the world trade center attack, they want you to be uncomfortable EVERYWHERE. Fear is as much a weapon as a suicide bomb or a hijacked airplane...
The man from mars eatin' cars, pontiacs, subarus and lincolns too!
thats @!$%#ty, I own a Lincoln LS...
It's a pity that the FBI guy didn't give him an exploding detonator. It would be priceless to see his stupid arse blow up on youtube! Save a lot on court costs too.
And now that they have him, opt to release him back onto the streets. With great publicity. In the same neighborhood as the bar he wanted to blow up with all the patrons. I'm sure they would all like to "meet-and-greet" this imbecile. Not a knife to a gun fight, he brought a bomb to a street fight. I'm sure Sean Connery could describe the reaction of residents as "that's the Chicago way".
Fishinfool555, that sounds like an excellent way to deal with these fools. Too bad the FBI can't actually do it that way. I wish I could vote for you more than once although I personally would have no interest in watching it on youtube. Too gorey for my tastes but it might discourage a few of his brethren.
Bill; that sounds like Aliens Ate My Buick by Thomas Dolby. Good pop/rock CD.
@J_P, that was Blondie's Rapture
Blondie - well hell, no wonder I didn't know it. Quote something from Lady Gaga or Britney Spears and I won't know that either...hahaha.
So, Tom, who the heck made you listen to Blondie? I draw the line at the Bangles - only because Susan Hoffs is gorgeous. Oh, and Dale Bozzio - only cuz she would get naked.
I did watch a song or two from Blondie on the Audience Network - now I know why I never bought any Blondie crap - not even worth downloading illegally.
So.... first you tell him it sounds like a good pop/rock CD, then you dismiss it when you find out who it is?
JP: just because you royally screwed up the artist you have to lash out at a well-placed Blondie reference? You sir are a clown! :P
phalaeo; I said the Thomas Dolby CD is good - I never said the line Bill provided was anything other than it reminded me of the CD title Aliens Ate My Buick. Don't put words in my mouth. At least be a witty troll.
semaphore; do you really think I cared if I got the right artist - do you always take things to the extreme just to attack someone. "well-placed"? Bill was just screwing around, and so was I...get over your self. "royally screwed up" - gawd...I'm so ashamed now - NOT. Any time you would like to play music trivia with me - bring it on - I bet you've never even heard of one song off of Aliens Ate My Buick.
You two would do me a favor by putting me on your Ignore list...LOL.
If I offended Tom - then let Tom speak for himself - I can take it as well as I dish it out. Just admitting I liked the Bangles and Missing Persons would give any witty troll plenty of fodder.
No. There is no "they" here. It was just a stupid kid who wanted to feel important. Any idiot who publicly posts that he wants to blow up his countrymen (and then is fooled by a cop who responds to the post) is just a idiot acting alone.
God's prophet, Mohamed, forbade the drinking of alcohol. Bars are justifiably good targets for Jihad.
And Marios are justifiably good targets of Peach. ==== I'm Peach. I just ran over you. If you aren't careful I'll shave that ridiculous moustache off your silly face before they cart your cartoon butt to the hospital. ==== That was me again.
JP: I was being similarly playful, due to your namesake, Mr. Patches, being a well-known clown from my region. Plus I like Blondie. Oh well... sorry I guess. And your avatar looks so light-hearted!
Very nice job to the F.B.I. for monitoring and catching this scumbag and getting him off the streets before anyone was harmed.
Nice job Christie, a comment saying something nice about our FBI. You don't see many, job well done G Men.
The FBI and the CIA have been doing a fine job keeping us all safe since 9/11. It doesn't get any better than that.
Yeah, the FBI did a real bang-up job creating another extremist then entrapping him so they could celebrate a "victory." This entire setup that keeps happening, where the FBI finds impressionable young adults, brainwashes them, convinces them to commit a crime, provides them with criminal tools and planning and transportation, then arrests the fictional "terrorist" to much fanfare, is exactly what's wrong with America. Embarrassing that it's working on so many commenters here.
FBI and CIA alert........i think we have another jihad in the making.
@Alan - You're an idiot.
Alan you are full of crap!!!! THey did NOT set this kid up!! He was looking for trouble and he found it!!!! What is your trip trying to defend this scumbag that would kill you, your mom. sister, aunt, girlfriend etc.. etc..???? Are you a muslims sticking up for your own???
Alan if it were a case of entrapment that would be one thing, but according to more, ahem, comprehensive reporting dude was looking to kill some people, and found his phony outlet.
Sound like you got an axe to grind though... has the FBI been brainwashing lots of kids into being terrorists and I don't know about it?
semaphore, this is actually a very interesting story about some kids just a few miles from me:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515
skrewdworld, "Are you a muslims?" No, I think religion is the biggest threat to our society and it has no place in an advanced world. Superstition that drives people to extremism is unnecessary when we have science and critical thinking.
Well, I gotta say, Alan made a pretty good rebound. He nailed it on religion - the religious hate great philosophers. Philosophers make you think - religion makes you obedient.
I'll still give Wolfpack a Brownie Button for a witty troll...but Nolan gets a major FAIL for his generic troll. The simple minds here love the generic trolls (see the votes)...all part of the dumbing down process.
I think my coffee is kicking in LMAO...can I say De-caf?
Holy hell Alan....I guess you're not a jihad wannabe after all and i do agree that you did rebound nicely. Especially the comment you made about religion. That was a big thumbs up.
Sometimes I forget that a short comment in a forum of strangers lacks the context of knowing the person who made it. I should have been more clear in my intentions during my first post. Thanks for the kind words.
OK Alan, I understand the point of the story you linked too, but that doesn't mean every wanna-be terrorist has been set up, correct? The details of this story didn't read the same.
You are right, semaphore. This little maggot was making threats against American continuously on the net. I wouldn't consider this as an entrapment. If the FBI was a real terrorist supplying the bomb....this little A$$HOLE would've blown up the bar already.
I still say we should find the rest of his family and definately keep an eye on these @!$%#ers.
Just more Idiocy from the land of Hussein Zero, Rahm "Dead Beat" Emanuel, Jesse "The Adulterer" Jackson, William "The Terrorist" Ayres and Rev. "G-D_mn! America" Wright. It's All Downhill from here, with the likes of these people in charge.
Ah, of course, if those Dems were not in charge we would not have radical Islamists trying to kill Americans. I remember the good ole days when George W. was president and this type of extremism didn't exist. Obviously Jesse Jackson cheating on his wife helped lead to this, but any Republican that has done the same is totally unconnected. What irony that you are trying to speak out against idiocy.
Yeah, what we need is more people like GW Bush and Dick Cheney.. thems is real patriots.
so rather'in have caught these muzlims before the act, we coulda been readin' books to kids while thousands of innocent americans are killed.
Yeah, that's EXACTLY what we need!
You're absolutely right on !!!
Right, Alan!
Now now, Romney vowed to increase defense budge from the current 700 billion (20% of total US income each year) to 1.8 trillion each year. He also vowed to support Israel to attack Iran. You can put the 2 together and know what he will plan next.
Yeah, well right now President Obama has decreased Israel's defense fund by two- thirds and has funded muslim countries that behave like we have seen this week.
Tell me again whose side he is on?
@Unhappy-1583758
The side of reason.
How much Israel got aid so far? Why are we keep funding Israel to start with? More than half of Muslim countries hate Israel and we are the one that have to deal with all the problems.
Also, not all Muslim hates the US, the attack are carried out by few thousands savage Muslim out of over 1 billion. Or if you want to exaggerate, let's try 1 million, that is 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000,000.
Some of the US here want to wipe all Muslim. Hitler killed 6 millions Yews and that is really bad, now people wants to genocide over 1 billion people. Nice logic there.
at least the jews bring something to the table,and just want to be left alone .muslims on the other hand want to control rule everything and that they cannot control they wish to destroy or kill. one has to only look at any country that is ruled by muslims or islamic law and you cansee how phucked up they are.
@str8jkt82
Are you joking me? Christian is the same in a way. You think Christian don't do these thing? Take a look outside of US, there are plenty of Christian hell bent on violence.
However, I don't judge all Christian the same way I don't judge all Muslim. Religions extremist are simply extremist, they exist in all religions and even political side. You can't simply use those as examples to pass your judgement on the entire population.
That's what I am trying to say, over 1 billion and the act of a small group somehow make all of them the same? If that is true, then all Catholic are pedophile, slimy and sexist by your logic.
Cuong Nguyen:
So what you are telling me is that we should continue to fund muslim countries and cut off aid from Israel just because other muslim countries don't like them?
You really are young, aren't you. I'm beginning to realize it more and more. Israel is the only country that has borrowed money from us and has paid it back. The rest, including Egypt, has had their debts forgiven, ( which was what Obama wanted to do a week ago).
Second, Israel hasn't turned on us the way Egypt has, or Pakistan, or Yemen, but I guess that doesn't matter to you.
It all comes down to knowing who your friends are.
Cuong,
Are you suggesting that we stop donating the billions of dollars that went to the 21 countries that have protested and attacked our embassies and consulates, the German embassy and fast food restaurants in the Middle East? Or should we only discontinue contributing to the only ally that we have in the region?
cuong obviously does not have much command of the english language. Perhaps he needs this stuff explained to him in his native language so he can comprehend it.
This kid was obviously a dumb sh*t. And deserves to get a nice as* pounding when he gets in prison. Like seriously how dumb can you be when you just meet some guy who will hook you up with a car bomb. Damn and the teacher's in Chicago want a pay raise!?!?!? These kids are dumb as sh*t.
So according to Mitt's policy, we should begin bombing Chicago right away and declare war on all of Chicago. Clearly the state was sanctioning this teens action.
Alan
You left of Eric (the arms trafficker) Holder.
The hate is everywhere. Could be your neighbor. We will never stop the hate, not matter what we do.
Hate? Radical Islam Jhadist dont hate, all they care about is boot on the throat of the infidel control.
you say people hate when they talk about islam or muslims.but when then set off bombs killing innocents or talk about wiping israel off the map you probably say we just misunderstand them,right?
Rancho Del Valkayrie is twisted and terrorist sympathizer.
Good one! I completely agree with you. It's amazing how stupid some people can be.
@Betty - You're totally right. They are trying to accomplish something on par with the crusades, they are just way too stupid to pull it off.
HAHA got you, you terrorist bitch!
this kid is a child. go after the ones propagandizing his mind and those of the youth. the fall guy is useless. another one will line up next. get the main guy(s).
Good thing you mentioned that. Hear that, FBI and CIA? Someone with a disgusting name on a public forum has come up with a fabulous idea. You should go after the...what? Oh...
They said they already thought of that, Panties.
still scum bucket is off the street hopefully never to be let out of prison enjoy your 3x6
Exactly. So just get all the info you can out of him and terminate him.
They all need to be in jail. Normally a sleeper cell will consist of 12 people. The people he would be associated with would be tasked with psyching him up for it and ensuring execution. The others are logistics and something else, i cant remember. Of course, that's if he wasn't a loan wolf.
couldn't have said it better, machspeeddemon.
Panties, don't you hope they stop the fall guys as well as those spreading the propaganda? Apparently this kid had been closely reading his Al-Awlaki handbook, and that guy already went up in smoke last year.
Yes, the terrorist Anwar Awlaki, an Anerican, was killed by American drones and what did this country do??? Bashed President Obama for "ordering the killing of an American citizen"............remember that? So when I read here and on other sites that we should "put a bullet in his head", "hang him in the town square", etc., etc., etc., about this "terrorist", I recall the expressions of "outrage" at this President for his actions against a self proclaimed, confirmed terrorist. From some of the comments here, i.e., "Hussein Zero" or reference to Jackson's infidelity.................I'm sure these are the same people who condemned this President for the killing of the confirmed terrorist, Awlaki. The hypocracy is palpable.
Those were liberals who said that. You know, the kind of people you support.
@Unhappy:
Do you know me? How do you know who I support? I don't care, nor did I state or even imply, what faction of the political arena was so "outraged"; as a matter of fact AND, FYI, the criticism came from both political parties. It's so easy for you to "pick"at someone like me on forums such as this while you bask in your absolute anonymity.........are you afraid someone may know you if you show your face? How brave are you to stand by the comments you make in a forum like this? LMAO at you, unhappy.....Have at it, dear (LOL)!
You got your wish last year. Bin Laden is dead.
It wasn't a wish, chum. It was a plan. (So was that reference to fish food.)
Other plans to follow, you should not doubt.
==== Hey, wasn't that Peach? Yep, you look squashed. You're in her sights now, Mario.
I would like to know the citizenship status of this person, and of the rest of his family.
This was how NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams shared this article on facebook. BREAKING NEWS: an 18-year-old U.S. citizen has been arrested in an undercover FBI sting; accused of planning to blow up a Chicago bar, NBC News confirms. So apparently he's a U.S. Citizen.
http:// www.nbcchicago.com /news/local/Teen-Charged-with-Trying-to-Blow-Up-Bar-Downtown-169908976.html
It tell's you in this article he was a U.S. Citizen.
The individual being a U.S. citizen does not mean anything! People from all over the world travel to the U.S. and become a citizen. That is a completely irrelevant fact!
It does not mean anything that the person was a U.S. citizen! People from all over the world travel to the U.S., become U.S. citizens and commit terrible crimes! That is an irrelevant fact!
Um.. it does mean he was a U.S. citizen, which was the question, kd678.
Much more to the point, he's from Chicago.
You have to admit, he is pretty stupid. I think this is how most of these terrorists are. Blind rage by hate to
anything around them. A gnat has more awareness.
Take the useless little puke out back and put a bullet in his head, or hang him.
Wrong, just cause he would kill you, doesn't mean you have to have the same mentality.
Eye for an eye ? I think the murderous little scumbag should be hung in the town square.
cliff--even though i think we would all like to do that we do have laws here and we are more civilized than that. lets act like it
no bill ...you are right...sit him down...talk to him....offer him a schollarship for heavens ske. but by no means should we punish this idiot freedom hating lil scumbag. you libs are really something else LMFAO
seriously "gun carrier", who suggested not punishing him? This country was founded on the rule of law, and suggesting we should shoot someone on-site for committing a crime is as unpatriotic as it is un-American, hence bill's comment. If you prefer just spouting useless rhetoric, by all means proceed with exposing your insane view of the world.
Domestic terrorism such as this should be met with mandatory capitol punishment.
This is not domestic terrorism.
His US Citizenship is nothing but an insult to the people that built this country.
He is a foreign enemy.
Uhhh... Chicago's in the United States, Joe.
They're saying he probably immigrated here from somewhere else. Who knows though.
Sad that an 18 YO would desire to do this - - treat him like the adult he is!!!!
sooo...we wait after the fb messages, the prayer, finding the explosives, watching him drive away and park the explosives infront of the bar and after he attempts to detonate it all BEFORE he's arrested? you'd think it'd take a lot less nowadays. at least no one was hurt.
You have to build a good case so they can prosecute the jerk to the fullest. Without proper evidence they wouldn't have a case to hold him. So unfortunately those steps are needed to place him where he belongs.
After giving him the fake explosives they just wait to see what he does and they just add up all the "would have, could have happened" charges for a tighter case and also to keep him locked up longer.
However some would believe that after the initial pick up of the inert material, everything after that is really a setup for entrapment.
But who am I to judge!
anti....I kind of had the same thoughts. Glad another potential terrorist is off the streets, but the means by which the case was built are kind of shady. Could this 18 year old have gotten big explosives without the FBI's help. Dunno. It's kind of like the FBI said, "hey, here's an angry kid who wants to blow stuff up. Let's give him some fake explosives and arrest him." The fact that he "detonated" shows that he was capable and really wanted to, but would he have found the means on his own?
Most likely. One can't be sure the fool would only blow him or herself up. That said, the would be bomber was the driver at each point of escalation. At any point s/he could have stopped. I don't know what, if any charges, would have applied if the person didn't drive or park the car, or if they didn't try to set the explosives off.
.39 bullet from Walmart would save the tax payers thousands. Someone with that mentality needs to be executed quickly.
you r correct christy....and i cant think of 1 kid i knoiw who would follow thru with a plan as he did. he really doesnt belong on the streets.....i dont want him attending our schools i know this.
I would guess that you could find at least 1 kid in 100 who would carry through on his own criminal fantasy, whether it was setting off a bomb or robbing a bank, if given the means, the technical and planning assistance, and the seeming approval of a friendly adult undercover agent. On the other hand, without that assistance such fantasies go unfulfilled and fade away as the person becomes involved in the details of adult life.
I would prefer that the FBI monitor the activities of such persons to see how far they proceed on their own in gathering materials, accomplices etc, without offering encouragement or assistance. I think it comes down to money and publicity. It costs less to push the plot along and then arrest the person, and gets better publicity for the FBI, than to observe him for 6 months and find he dropped his violent fantasy when he found a real-life girlfriend.
Yea I agree with the above. He may have been willing to go along, but without the FBI, would he have actually been able to do this? I highly doubt it.
This matches other such cases too.
They identify people who are of the possble mind set like this. Then the FBI basically comes in and does all the work, with the person they are going after just kinda tagging along for the ride until the very end.
This scenario is exactly like goading a depressed person into suicide and then providing them with a weapon of some sort to do so before finally swooping in at the last minute to save them and call yourself a hero. Now granted, I dont know everything that took place, but I can recognize that this case is set up identically to other such cases.
A much better idea would be to instead monitor such people and if they really are going to go through with it, track them and see what other people turn up.
Not when you consider what the definition of "entrapment" is.
Other than there are other sources than the FBI? Do you know what is available through the internet and Home Depot? FBI simply had him in a controlled environment.
You seriously want to take the chance and gamble that he would not find the means to do harm after he made his intentions very clear? If we had left him alone and laughed it off, and then something blew up, everyone would be blaming the FBI for not taking him seriously. You may want to gamble on him being harmless, but clearly, the FBI assessed the threat well. He was fully prepared to kill as many people as he could.
I would imagine the explosives they sold him were dirt instead of fertilizer. The FBI isn't stupid. Don't make assumptions.
Entrapment my butt!!!! THis is NOT the only type of case in which law enforcement uses this type of technique to catch the bad guys!!!! How do you idiots think they catch pedophiles that prey on kids on the damn internet???? IF you want that to be entrapment then you should get used to perverts, rapists, pedophiles and all types of criminals living up and down your block case many of them will never get caught!!!!!
i knew somebody was gonna say he's "just a kid" thats B.s. when i was 18 the idea of blowing up a bar in the name of my god never popped in my head. burn them all. we need to quit aiding the countrys these ppl come from
I don't know which article you read, but this one says he comes from here.
Just a kid, they should sit him down in the electric chair, have Barney the dinosaur sing to him right before he throws the switch.
Much more to the point, he's from Chicago.
Even much more to the point, is he a loyal United States citizen, or is he just living in Chicago because he loves our country so much he doesn't know what else to do with himself? 1st problem is, his terrorist roots are borne from his religious beliefs, which, as I recall, the US was not founded on Muslim faith. Secondly, any person that was old enough to read about 9/11 knows that thousands of U.S. citizens were killed by those following Jihad. Thirdly, even if he acted this out alone, if he would have found a cell to assist him, does anyone consider those consequences? Finally, that is one more off the street that wants to do us harm. Hate to break it to you, but yes, even terrorists can be U.S. citizens.
Has anybody seen my cat , he answers to the name kitty .
Yes. Yes I have.
I called him Yummy.
I would have paid top dollar to see the look on that scumbag's face when that "bomb" failed to go off and that officer pulled out his badge and gun. I bet it was PRICELESS!
All religion is man made and nothing more, real true Born Again Believers have a relationship with God and not a religion in any way.
religion is man's spiritual faith & belief of God., you said is man made. while real true born again believers have a relationship with God and not a religion in any way. I said it is a cult.
I notice in most cases religion does more harm that good. Most people who are religious that I have met are judgmental and self-righteous. The ironic part is they don't act a bit like they should according to the book. Look down on the poor, hoard money, etc. It is what it is I guess.
There were all weird responses to C@ptain Obvious, so I'll reply: must make the job worth it for those FBI agents!
Religion is man made but gods are not.
Following your post, I read it as you are trying to state that gods are not made by religion. How is that so? How many gods are not made by religion, which incidentally, is man-made (up) from the start? How many gods are we talking about? How many have you talked to? How many have talked to you? So many questions, so few answers.
It used to be that anything humans couldn't explain was due to a god's action, such as lightning, thunder, a drought, a flood, half the population becoming sick and dying, crop failures, swarms of locusts, etc. I don't want to take anything away from the good uses of religion, such as keeping the fear in people that if they don't do the right things, they will be banished to hell in the afterlife. But as with everything else, it seems the bad follows the good, in cases like this, as well as with other extremist actions carried out in the name of (fill in the blank).
For those that have a faith, keep believing. Just stating on my own belhalf that to me, it is all thousands of years old stories written down by people that lived in the deserts of the middle east. Enough said.
All about religion what a waste in believing in it
How many attempted attacks by supposed Muslim citizens of the united states over the past 10 years? Why aren't we stopping immigrants from these countries? It's not like it hasn't been done before. Instead of wasting more and more money keeping an eye on these people, stop letting them in until relations are better.
Are you kidding way to simple, and logical.
right on, but politicians, the leader of them all, the presidents on both parties, are gutless to touch the issue of immigration reform, for fear of being accused as racist, alienating certain ethnic groups is a sure defeat for reelection bid. obama with his immigration executive order to allow legalization of illegal aliens, who were minors on entry to the USA is a pandering gestures to the hispanic voters.
You are so right.
We need to keep the Italians out too because they are in the mob. Oh, and the Chinese have their mobs too (tongs). I hear the Russians have crime syndicates here.
Let's see.... it is obvious that all Columbians are in the drug trade.
I hear the Japanese are poor drivers, so we won't want them killing all our natural born citizens.
Let's keep the Irish and their "troubles" out of our country. Many of them are gun runners anyway.
I guess we need to make a really big list and keep them all out. It is the American way.
@Diana - lol thats hilarious
Not to mention, all Italians couldn't come here because they create horrible reality tv shows.
It doesn't matter who they are or where they come from. For the time being the USA needs to close it's doors to any and all immigration, get out all the illegals no matter how they got here. Be it by sneaking over the border or coming in a visa and then disappearing etc..!!! We need to start taking care of our own people, our own problems and stop taking in all those who come here for a free ride or who want to destroy us!!!
Nevermind he was behind me . Was scared for a minute .
Terrorist acts demand automatic death penalty or LIFE in prison. Period.
peg you dont have to spell out period , its that dot thing behind prison k
Up yours, smart A**!
Peggy, you really should learn to spell out the rest of the word. I am not sure what that word is supposed to be? Ale? Ape? Aid? Awe? I am so confused!!!!
App.
It's a Smartphone thing.
Could have easily been a Planned Parenthood Clinic. Lots of religious nuts around and they are not all Muslims. Diversity reigns!
If there's ever a bar where abortion doctors frequent in numbers.. you better believe it that some Christian freak will try to blow it up.
the Only real difference between Islam and Christianity is the costumes.
And here it is...... liberals trying to make it seem like christians are on the same level as muslims.
So how many abortion clinics did the christians blow up this week? ( chirping)
This just shows you how stupid most liberals are.
Couldn't have said it better myself, Unhappy!
Yes clearly like the Muslims in the 10's of thousands trying to storm our embassies and others around the world abortion bombers abound in similar numbers. It's clearly media bias that reports thousands of deaths from Muslim bombings from dozens of countries and failing to report the thousands likewise killed in abortion bombings.
You'se a funny feller there boy.
You comparin' worldwide violence figures, with violence numbers in the USA?
Lessee here.. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, and there are what? 100 million Christians in the USA?
So, that alone should mean for them to be equal in volence, there can be 10 times as much violence from Muslims as there is from Christians.
Believe it or not, there was actually a story written on this. Here's a little excerpt:
And it ends with:
So as you can see another lie told by liberals.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Clubs_Abortion_Clinic_Bombings.Islam
Religion is the bane of mankind.
Pure and simple.
I'm a liberal and find trying to compare the thousands killed in dozens of countries every year by Muslims and comparing attrocities committed hundreds of years ago or the occasional murder by someone who happens to be christian are idiots. It has nothing to do with being liberal it's being stupid.
yeah, them Christians are such peaceful folk.
the only reason there's more violence from Muslims is because THERE ARE MORE MUSLIMS!
Jesus, what a waste of good sperm you are!
There are about 2.1 billion Christians and about 1.6 muslims.
Blow up a bar. Now there's a real jihad for ya.
The IRA cornered the market on that type of terrorisim.
God's prophet, Mohamed, forbade the drinking of alcohol. Bars are justifiably good targets for Jihad.
Surprise surprise....another muslim terrorist....
Wanna bet this draws little or no mainstream media attention. The current administration has enough on it's hands playing damage control with the rioting in the ME. We don't need any domestic terrorists to add to their problems... Move along, nothing to see here........
Hmm.. well, you did read this off the NBC website.
Is NBC not mainstream enough?
What exactly is mainstream to you?
And how much coverage is enough for you?
Should they interrupt College Football every 30 minutes today to talk about the failed terrorist attack in Chicago by an 18 year old boy?
Is that what you're saying?
I think you should take 5 and think about this for a moment, then you'll realize how @!$%#ing stuipid your comment is boy!
Priceless Country
Sit down and shut up CountrySimple. You sound like a rednecked idiot.
CountrySimple...STFD and STFU
Adults talking here, go back to your online gaming with your friends in your parents basement.
Why should he shut up? He's right. You're reading mainstream media right now. And if you took two seconds and Googled it, you'd realized that this has been covered by pretty much all mainstream sources.
I got piles of fly swarming crap in the field smarter then these conservative "genius"
But keep up with the insults, it REALLY hurtin' my poor feelers.
mmmm mmmm mmmm CountrySimple you sure stirred up the Lib-ro-tards there LMAO. Good Job.
conservative10 is a Lib-ro-tard and CountrySimple stirred him up?
Think people are throwing some blind ideoillogical punches on this one. (Agree with you CountrySimple.)
i say get every body there wasted then walk him in and tell everbody what happened and leave him there and say have fun.