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WASHINGTON -- An American Coptic Christian activist whose California TV facility was used to make an anti-Islam film that touched off protests across the Muslim world said he was deceived by the film's producer about its inflammatory content.
In a statement posted on the blog of a prominent American anti-Islamic activist, Joseph Nassralla, founder of a Duarte, California-based group called Media for Christ, said he was a victim of "disinformation and smear" and the film's principal producer had altered its content without his knowledge.
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Protests ignited by a controversial film that ridicules Islam's Prophet Muhammad spread throughout Muslim world.
Media for Christ operates a Christian satellite TV station called The Way TV, according to its website and tax return.
Nassralla said he was contacted last year by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, whom he described as the film's producer, with a plan to make a film about the persecution of Christians in Egypt.
Nakoula, who has a criminal record for bank fraud and drug offenses, was briefly questioned last weekend by federal authorities about possible probation violations. He was later released and has gone into hiding.
Nassralla said in his statement that in explaining his film project, Nakoula had said the film would be called "Desert Warrior" and would "examine the culture of the desert and how it is related to what is going on right now."
The statement was posted on the website Atlasshrugs2000, which is run by Pamela Geller, an activist who has organized anti-Islamic protests and events, including demonstrations opposing construction of an Islamic center near the site of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York in 2001.
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There was no way to independently confirm Nassralla's account.
An attorney representing Nakoula in the investigation by probation officials declined to comment on Nassralla's statement, saying he was aware of the blog post but had not had a chance to discuss it with his client. He said Nakoula or his representatives may issue a statement in the future.
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Nassralla, who spoke at two rallies in 2010 and 2011 organized by Geller, said Nakoula "needed a place to film. So I let him use my facility."
"That is all I did, and is the full extent of my involvement with this project. Nakoula used my facility for ten days. Media for Christ employees were given a vacation during that time, because Nakoula was using the facility and so there was no work for them. There was only one Media for Christ employee who remained, to answer phones for the ministry," Nassralla said.
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There was no sign of activity at the small studios of Media for Christ, located in a nondescript office park behind a Walmart store in suburban Duarte, during two visits last week by a Reuters reporter.
On both occasions the doors were found locked and knocks went unanswered. A woman who worked at an office next door said she had not seen any employees there in recent days.
Nassralla said he later discovered that Nakoula, using the name "Sam Bacile," had used Media for Christ's name without his permission to obtain an official permit for making the film.
'We were shocked'
After accounts of the film began circulating in Egypt and other Muslim majority countries, the amateurish production -- which portrays the Prophet Muhammad as a womanizer and a fool -- set off a chain of violent protests and attacks on U.S. and other Western embassies in the Middle East and North Africa.
In his statement, Nassralla said Nakoula had "filmed his movie not only at my ministry location, but in Nakoula's own home (which reporters located by getting the address from the actors), and in another facility for outside scenes that was included in the permit, Blue Canyon."
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Nassralla also said that behind his back, Nakoula had "altered the film without anyone's knowledge, changing its entire focus and dubbing in new dialogue. He edited it."
"The final product, 'Innocence of Muslims,' bore no resemblance to the film I thought he was making, or the film the actors thought they were creating. We were shocked," Nassralla said.
In an introduction to Nassralla's statement, Geller said that she had last seen him at an event in June in California, and that now he was being "hunted like an animal for speaking critically about Islam."
Nassralla "is currently in hiding after multiple death threats from Muslims because of his purported role in producing this video," she said.
In an exchange of emails with Reuters last weekend, Geller suggested that if Nakoula was arrested, that would represent an attempt to impose strict Islamic Sharia law in the United States.
"He will not be in prison for fraud or some probation violation, but for blasphemy. This is Shariah enforcement in America," she said.
In a later email, however, Geller expressed disappointment over Nassralla's account of his dealings with Nakoula. But she added, "That would not make (Nakoula) any less a political prisoner."
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Coptics have a long history of rivalry and power struggles in Egypt. They have a serious ax to burn against Muslims. This video was nothing but that -to get back at the Muslims by insulting them. It was not historical, educational or artistic. It was made for one purpose and it served that well (to insult Muslims).
Emo Philips
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me
It makes no sense. It's as logical as the prizefighter down the street punched you out once, so now you'll go to his house and insult his mother. He'll clobber you worse this time. Copts are not that stupid...
Many of BO's supporter feel the same way - deceived. The rest will feel deceived if he wins another term.
You're completely missing the point. Muslims consider it blasphemous to depict Muhammad in ANYTHING.
You could make a Steven Spielberg production of a glorious Muhammad spreading Islam throughout the world ridding a chariot of fire, and these lunatics will still riot and murder.
The larger narrative here is that a significant number of Earth's population feel they are entitled to riot, torture, and murder for the trivial offense of being "offended".
This is the sickening reality of this story. This is the only thing that matters and this is what people should be focusing on.
NOTHING MORE.
Religion is a poison and a cognitive plague to our human race.
Given Romney's ability to alienate EVERY demographic except cranky old white guys I would change your sentence to "when" he wins another term.
I believe Mr. Romney's refusal to show his taxes is proof that he has something to hide. Fundamentalist believers from any religion are dangerous. Christianity has a history of blood shed-the Catholic rulers Queen Isabella & King Ferdinand gave their blessings to the Spanish Inquisition (Jews & Muslims were ordered to convert) and the Salem witch trials were literally from the bible "thou shall not suffer a witch to die"-
I think Romney should show a year of taxes for a year of Obama's school records.
Please remember the issue at hand: freedom of speech is important to America and can not be compromised because Muslims don't agree.
We can not allow Muslims to intimidate Americans into giving up freedom.
One bat @!$%# crazy religion over another! It is ALL nonsense! Crazy, crazy, crazy!!!!!!
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg
Could not agree more. Christian Activist eg Christian Taliban. The US and the Muslim world are the only places where religion plays such a dominant role in elections. At least in the US we can fight for what we have, freedom of religion means freedom from your religion for me so keep it out of my face or I will use my 2nd ammendment right and blow your $hit away. For the immigrants, leave your petty a$$ problems behind you or go back, and for me that includes all, including Israelis. ONE passport, make a choice.
Amen, brother! The religions emanating from the middle east (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, etc.) seem to foster the most fanaticism, war, violence, and political conflict, but most all of them serve as bones of contention in one way or another.
Too bad there's no place for ordinary non-religious people to go to get away from them!
WilliamOfRites - Thanks for the reference to Steven Weinberg which I googled and found the speech containing that quote. Very interesting reading with references to William Paley and Freeman Dyson who provide alternative and thought-provoking ideas. Although I have read other physicists with appealing and contrary arguments, Mr. Weinberg's writings provide an excellent reasoned and objective opinion largely devoid of mockery, sarcasm, and personal vindictives espoused by so many trolls on message boards.
Jack, go discover yourself a country where religion isn't allowed AT ALL. See who follows you.
if such a country existed janine, people such as you would always be sneaking in trying to convert everyone.
It is impossible to escape faith and beliefs. Atheists worship themselves and believe they are self sufficient.
It would be an amazing scene if all atheists were put into one place without the influence of the Holy Spirit. What a never ending nightmare of infinite proportions.
This is the reality of all who reject Jesus Christ out of hand and die without repenting. Christians know this place in the Bible is called the Lake of Fire. Revelation chp. 20
herald9, I actually do respect your right to believe as you will.
I truly believe that all that we are is tied directly to the neurons of our physical brain, once that dies, so do we, the end of ones personal story, life for "you (or I)" is just as it was before "you(or I)" was born
with that being said, what is left? only to try our best to make the world a slightly better place for those that follow.
What Muslims have made the death threats which have forced him into hiding? Are American Muslims saying they think the "offense" is punishable by death, or are those threats coming from elsewhere in the world?
Obviously he isn't being hunted for any legal problem if authorities had him and let him go, Geller sounds confused.
Geller isn't confused, she's lying. She doesn't believe the crud she spews! It's just her claim to fame. Being the Muslim Hater makes her money, gets her face plastered all over media and gains her hating friends who feed that humongous ego of hers. She's as phoney as this christian movie maker and the christian studio guy who made money from the film. They all had an agenda to enflmae and incite. The deaths of Americans iss so much more than they could have hoped for and plays nicely into Geller's rhetoric. I'll bet they celebrated the riots and deths as victories for jesus.
"What Muslims have made the death threats which have forced him into hiding? Are American Muslims saying they think the "offense" is punishable by death, or are those threats coming from elsewhere in the world?"
With world-wide air travel as cheap and available as it is, the threats don't have to come from "American Muslims." Theo Van Gogh was murdered by an "offended" Muslim after making a 10 minute movie criticizing how women are treated in Muslim countries. Salman Rushdie had to go into hiding for 10 years after Ayatollah Khomeini ordered his death for writing a book that "offended" Islam. Just within the past week the bounty on his head was increased another 500 grand because he hasn't been murdered yet. He has had to go back into hiding over 30 years later.
It doesn't matter that in these two cases it was "radical Muslims" that issued the "fatwa" (spelling?). Dead is dead, and it only seems to be "Muslims" that are killing for purely religious reasons, no geo-political underpinnings, just simply "you offended my religion and my prophet, waah waaaaah!"
G-dog, Dixie, quit trying to deflect blame. Sure there are individual Muslims who are peaceful and loving people, but violence and murder seems to be endemic to the religious philosophy of Islam. People like you have no problem assigning the same stereotype to "Christians" in general while bristling at the thought someone would do the same to Muslims. All the while Muslims stereotype, insult, and in some countries kill people just because of their Christian beliefs. Yes, the root of the problem lies within Islam, and apologists like you don't help the situation.
Wow, I can't believe someone who thinks an old guy who built a boat the sizeof an aircraft carrier out of wood 4,000 years ago and a mating pair of every animal species on the entire Earth just strolled on for a 40 day cruise was easily deceived.
What "40 day cruise"? If you are referring to Noah, his "cruise" lasted more than a year. And he built the Ark more than 4000 years ago. And how do you know that he left out dinos? Just because they're not here now doesn't mean they weren't on the Ark.
Ain't god belief great? People killing each other over who's ludicrous, childish fairytale is better. It's the 21st century people, how about we grow up and accept what we have discovered; that life on earth had natural beginnings and the whole god/afterlife thing is nothing more than wishful thinking. All we get is this one temporary physical existence, grow the hell up, there is no lala land, sorry.
How about we grow up and allow people to believe in what they want to believe, I believe in something other than we are just a simple lucky mistake in the cosmic universe. Belief in god is not ridiculous, stupid or absurd in any fashion, it's the Religion and mass groups of these extremist who feed off each other about what a book tells them to believe that make it ridiculous and gives me my reason for hating such things. I believe in something higher up, but I believe in it, in my own way.
Way to be a dick though, why is your belief of our being here just a lucky thing that happened, any different than sane people who believe in some higher power. You can no more prove there is no god, than I can prove to you there is. I never realized that believing in something made you childish ( hence the grow the hell up ). Don't toss every person who believes in a higher being, into these groups of idiots plastered all over the TV.
God belief isn't the problem, killing each other is. The acceptance of god as a living being is not wishful thinking on my part, I reasoned it out. Introspective spiritual examination is a perfectly normal search...and whatever answer one finds is valuable to the individual. We are each entitled to own beliefs and to express them, which is what the fuss is between Muslims and the rest of the world. I would remove 'under God' from our Pledge of Allegiance to avoid the same entanglement. It is only when we join gangs of people who will commit violence over religious dogma that god belief becomes dangerous. Don't be too rough on me leroy brown, I'm only saying of your comment what I realize must also be true of my own - you are right and wrong. No hostility.
Texas law,
How true. I have always thought it ironic that both deists, and atheists, both base their beliefs on the same thing---FAITH. Neither can prove their ideas. I choose the middle ground---I just do not know.
But belief in Santa Claus is??
Top 10 Atheist Quotes
1. "George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd." - Sam Harris
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2. "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours" -Stephen Roberts
Stephen Roberts was wrong (and almost certainly right in some way I don't see). It is a philosophical question and a question of logic, and they must mesh harmoniously.
Couldn't agree more Leroy! Religion and it's sycophants have mostly made a mess of the world. Fantasy is fantasy whether it takes place in an earthly paradise or on a distant moon it's FANTASY. It's make believe, pretend...not real...not provable. And most of all it's barely applicable to life in the 21st centruy. ALL the good in it can be distilled to one Golden Rule and rest of the garbage like approved wife killing, eye plucking and slavery can be discarded as the evil and stupid.
It's prety simple G-Dog, I am willing to bet you don't believe in Buddha, Zeus, Vishnu, Ra, Odin or any of the other thousands of Gods Man has believed in over time or still today.
The very same thought process of yours that dismisses them is the process I use to dismiss yours.
It's sort of like the platitude "You can't have your cake and eat it too".
Greetings, WilliamofRites; the philosophical question of multiple gods is not exactly the same as the philosophical question of one god. The philosophical difference between two and one is not the same as between one and zero, although the quantitative difference may be the same. Defining zero is a difficult proposition except to express it as the absence of something. Does such a state exist naturally? Perhaps. I'm willing to let you figure it out for yourself and me figure it out for myself.
Children believe in santa claus, hell kids believe in many things when they are young that we all know as we get older to be not true. But Santa Claus doesn't cause people to go and murder in his name and claim it was him that told them to do it.
I believe in something, I believe something will happen at the point of my life ending, what it is? I don't know. Maybe nothing or maybe something I just don't know, but that's why I have faith. Maybe we are a mistake in the universe and that we just got lucky, or maybe it's unreal that we can only be born once and fade away to nothing... I have no more answers than anybody else does. It's just faith. I don't stand with 95% of Christians or anyone else, most are crazy, hateful and some of the worlds biggest hypocrits. Neither side believers or non believers no more than the other, they just believe in what they say and stand by their faith in it.
I don't like being preached too, I don't like churches and I don't like most things associated with Religion itself. But that doesn't affect what I myself believe in. We all believe in something.
Absolutely, but you yourself posted your puzzlement over Robert's thought process.
I tried simply to define, example and edify it.
Yes William, I tried to explain where Roberts was wrong.
You see, dismissing all other number of gods above one is not the same as dismissing the only one and getting to zero. So, understanding why I dismiss all the other possible gods does not explain (or make me understand) why Roberts (or anybody) would dismiss the idea of one in the same way as he would dismiss the idea of additional deities. The thought process is in error the way I see it because it lacks definable consistency between numbers of deities.
Let me come to the aid of William and suggest that this sums up his position.
God vs Physics belief systems
"Faith belongs to the human spirit. Faith is faith. Humanity is divided by religion, religion is the divider of humanity. If every human could be removed of their blindfolds and see that faith is in itself faith and that this is something which belongs to each and every human being, then at that time the dividers of religion will suddenly mean nothing and we will all see that we are united by faith in and of itself. There is only one faith and it is called faith. And no man needs to prove to another man that what he believes in exists, because even if it does not exist, his faith is his belief that it is there, that something is there, and that in itself is faith. So I do not need to prove to any man that what I believe in exists or not, there is no such contest between man, my faith breathes in the body of my belief; the fact that I believe is the breath of my faith."
― C. JoyBell C.
TexasLaw - what 'faith' do you have? This statement basically shows you have 'faith' in, well, you don't know...
"I believe in something, I believe something will happen at the point of my life ending, what it is? I don't know. Maybe nothing or maybe something I just don't know, but that's why I have faith."
If you have 'faith' in the Catholic God, then you should have 'faith' in what they say will happen or if you have 'faith' in another God, then you should have 'faith' in what they say will happen...by saying that you don't know, you are saying you don't have 'faith'.
Then the concepts of intellectual constants arenot even part of the sphere of your understanding.
Much like the GOP that says we are pro-life and then applauds the Texas execution rate, even when discussing God or religion it doesn't hold rational water.
I don't have to believe in what someone tells me, I don't have to believe in what a book tells me to believe. I believe in a higher power. By saying I don't know what will happen, or what awaits, is not saying simply I just am not sure of anything. I do believe something new happens at the end of this life, but I haven't been there yet, I know what the bible says, I know what people say happens, but if I have't been there how can I 100% say I know what it is or what will happen... I can't. Thats where my faith comes into play and I just have to believe "something" happens besides just disappearing.
I don't need to prove anything to anybody, or even sit and tell what my faith is. I make up my own mind, as I said I don't need a book or anybody telling me what I need to believe, I have a mind of my own. I choose not to let myself get brainwashed into believing something simply based on the fact so many people believe it.
" A belief which leaves no place for doubt is not a belief; it is a superstition. "
Well yes Texas, I must be allowed to have faith in my own conclusions when it comes to my individual belief. If I recognize truth without contradiction in what I'm proposing to believe...then I have no reason to reject it. I see no contradiction between physical observation and my belief.
I do not know to what 'intellectual constants' WilliamofRites refers in #5.15. My concepts are intellectually sound.
yes, physical observations...like creatures creating after their kind, the ability to see (like who needed eyes after millions of years?), even the ability of people to have sex face to face (oh, is this common in all others of the animal kingdom?).....The soul is either there of not? Not for those who don't think there's life after...(umm...back when, I do believe the creation story puts aniamls being created on a "different" day compared to humans!) SO EASY to deny your soul or existence of it...BUT I guess that would make it responsible to something that would supposedly make your life hard?...(i.e. drinking, smoking, you get the idea...) Most people don't "naturally' like being responsible to something...My physical observations dismiss 'chance' existence.....and I've accepted the responsibility, knowing too that I could make mistakes along the way.
And the next time some creation scientist explains the possiblilty of something happening, the "chance" theorists just simply make this earth millions of years older so that it fits their mold of the probability of it happening...(so as we get millions of years older, those "chance" theorists are biting their lip trying to explain then why the earth hasn't froze up or burned out; adding millions more years makes it even harder to explain.) I see a vibrant earth!! likely far less younger than you''ll imagine...so where are all those transitional formed beings that we haven't found in fossils? Oh and millions of years, you'd think there'd be plenty...challenge yourself..and go back to the history of civilizations and see how far back you get....6, 7, 8000 years?
The "tie" to a fundamental beginning....the Pentateuch, (Genesis to Deut.) are exacty verbatum with the Torah...our scoffed nation where most don't even know that! (Islam 1400 yrs? humbug...how 'bout going back twice that amount of time to early Hebrew scripts!) But then Darwinism?...grr what? maybe 160 years old with no better backbone?...LOL!
(I'll be on my death bed one day too , but the struggle over a soul's existence won't be there, while the rest of you will be scared to death)
If you've read this and made it through it, and don't like it, just remember, its you who decided to read it...and if unagreed, you might even waste more of your time....
William, Yes, I as a conservative, (what you call the GOP) am Pro-life. I am also for the death penalty. You see, I support the innocent unborn that deserve a chance at life. I also support the fact that as a people we are better off with one less murderer in our lives.
The Liberals on the other hand support the idea of flushing the innocent unborn down the tubes, while the idea of killing a murderer is cruel and unhuman treatment.
I don't know about you, but my beliefs sound more logical.
I read it rojo. One might read it, agree and disagree (near and far) and be unable to 'up vote' your overall effort, then wonder if you'll think I am discussing or arguing by rejoining. Sometimes I feel like Glenda coming down in her bubble to call 'Ollie ollie ox in free' to the Munchkins - wondering if I'll be charged by Raptors from Jurassic Park instead.
I don't consider it (necessarily) a waste of time to continue discussion...but I may if I feel that way if there is too much 'static' between us. I don't feel hostility or even 'hard feelings' over what you think or say. If you wish to communicate further, I'll try and remember to revisit this area.
G-Dog-787120
What Muslims have made the death threats which have forced him into hiding? Are American Muslims saying they think the "offense" is punishable by death?
I haven't heard of any verified threats against the film makers from within the USA except from the film makers (and the Christian radicals like Geller) themselves.
The whole notion that Nakoula being held accountable for his incitements would amount to Sharia law being enforced in the US is just more hysterical stupidity on the part of these Christian radicals.
It's their typical attempt at garnering sympathy from the rest of the sycophants. It ridiculous for them to decry their perceived persecution while continung a war of persecution against those they hate. They're like a bunch of 3rd graders squaring off in the playground hurling insults at each other over entirely ficticious words about gods who don't exist.
DixieMay - differences of opinion don't equal hate.
Extremist thinking is characterized by that kind of simplistic over-generalization and "all or none" view. It seems that extremism is central to these conflicts.
As for the producer of this film, he has a criminal record for fraud; therefore, it's not much of a stretch to think he's be capable of misrepresenting and misleading people in other situations. Also, one individual hardly speaks for all of the adherents of Egyptian Coptic Christian faith. He certainly doesn't represent the U.S. government, nor have their endorsement.
It also seems that al Qaida, the Taliban, Pam Geller and Terry Jones have a great deal in common in that they're all using the idiocy of one person's film production to attempt to further their own agendas. For posters here to then jump on board and use this as an indictment against all religions; deists; and people of faith is as ridiculous as riotous mobs using this to lash out at all Westerners.
Come on people! Use some critical thinking and reason rather than just reacting to this with your own version of extremism. From a bell-shaped curve standpoint - we seem to be allowing the tiny portion of the population that are out in the +/- 3 standard deviation to drive all discussions, while ignoring the moderate majority in the middle that represents the hope for any kind of stability.
Seriously MSN? Could you do REAL REPORTING for once? That terrorist attack against our Embassy last week had nothing to do with that video. It was a planned ambush, plain and simple.
mommiofi
Don't you realize MSN pushes the Obama line without editorial leadership
How true! A number of sources have reported the planning of the attacks, and no mention of ANY movie was mentioned in the plans.
NYC Texan, every "reputable" news agency is reporting the news not just MSN (NBC). This story isn't about Obama. As a fellow New Yorker (native), your comments are in the minority here. The storyline here is: "Christian activist says he was deceived over anti-Islam film" - Getting back to the topic, many Coptic Egyptians get political asylum in the U.S. for being "oppressed" in Egypt. They should leave their "oppressed" baggage back in Egypt and be thankful to be in a free society where we have freedom of religion (not just Christianity). The hateful amateur video was a deliberate and reckless move that got exactly the sick reaction the video makers intended. Those that made it as well as those that killed our people abroad are ALL guilty of stupidity, fanaticism, hate and intolerance. The video was a trigger and as far as a planned attack we'll have to see where that story goes.
Think Wise: I think the film was a planned attack, very much like screaming of a fire in a crowded theatre. The creator obviously stole 900,000 dollars of the million which was donated for the film, he was already on parole for bank fraud and committed another crime by the theft as well as the use of the internet during his probationary period: therefore his film should be removed with a court order, his probation should be revoked and he should be charged with further fraud for stealing the $900,000 (the film was said to have costed "no more than $100,000" by experts in the field) remaining from the film funds, and he should be cited for inciting mayhem with malice aforethought. He is a POS, thief and one who abuses free speech and he should never have been given asylum: he probably attacked the Muslims in his own country and left just in time for his fellow Coptics to suffer for his actions, while he whistles and whines about persecution, safe in America. Scumbucket!
It's so sad--not to mention bizarre--that people will waste their real lives for a theoretical life after death, particularly when there is no objective reason to believe such a thing exists.
But what's REALLY weird is that they will worship gods who are sick, twisted morons. I kind of like the Wiccan goddess, but other than her, I've never read about a god I would tolerate two minutes. They are nasty, petty, perverted creatures whose favorite entertainment is to turn humans against each other. They love to make humans hate themselves and everyone else. And most of all, they love to torture women.
Imagine a god who endows humans with a curious, intelligent mind, then curses all of them throughout time because one--a woman, of course--indulged that curiosity. What a sick fairy tale. And men have used it for centuries as an excuse to denigrate, rape, torture, enslave, and murder women who--in the real world--are the ones who give birth.
Yes that's right, Christians: a woman changed your god's diapers.
Get real. This stuff is for people who have SERIOUS mental and psychological problems. Why should it surprise anyone that these nuts will commit acts of terrorism? They are CRAZY by the very fact that they believe in gods to start with.
Patter123 - What are you spewing? "they will worship gods who are sick, twisted morons" If you're talking about Muslims, there are no Gods, there is one God. In Arabic Allah means God. It's the "SAME" God that Christians believe in. Jesus is referred to as Aiisa in their Quran also. I won't waste anyone's time trying to educate someone's already hate filled mind but really, think of the nonsense you're writing. Read a book and come back with something more than just knee jerk reactions without any substance. The topic here says: Christian activist says he was deceived over anti-Islam film. Any comments about the Chrsitan activist that says he was deceived over the film?
Totally agree patter. Christians and Jews hating Muslims, Muslims hating Christians and Jews...it's all mcuh ado about nothing. All I an hope is that when they take each other out they don't destroy the planet so the billions that have no part in their wars of religion can still survive.
To keep Wise pacified about the topic, the "activist", in reality the studio owner who most likely profitted in some way...I believe he's lying. The only reason he's distancing himself is the disgust the world has brought him. He should be embarrassed and humiliated by this "movie"...it's the worst thing ever filmed! And I mean ALL of it that I've seen is horrible! Bad production values, terrible voice over dubbing, the worst dialog, childish editing and filled with the typical religious mumbo jumbo that if sold as fiction would be bad but acceptable but sold as religious truths it's offensive, hateful and should gain those who produced it ridicule and rejection wherever they show thir faces.
And the christian who made the movie...he's hiding in embarrassment not fear. But I am hoping that his over active imagination keeps him there with his hate stuck in his craw choking him for a very long time!
Looks like the person sponsoring this film was Pamela Geller, a Jewish anti-Islamic activist in New York.
That wouldn't surprise me since she's such a hateful person who's made terrible remarks against our President claiming that he was an undercover Muslim, etc. If she was sponsoring the film that triggered and incited such chaos, she should be exposed and subjected to whatever consequences the Patriot Act might have for her. I'm sure the 1,000 AIPAC Jewish lobbyists in Washington, D.C. will run to her defense if she's tied to this.
Yes, she is as bad as some of the most rabid Muslim clerics. People like that are the bane of humanity.
This is America we should support this guys right to make this film.. We have a coward for a President !!!
Who isn't supporting his "right to make this film" Al? I think it's stupid, it's hateful, wrong and insulting but I support his right to be all of those. He is free to be stupid, allowed to be wrong, welcomed to be ugly and hateful...it's his absolute right! BUT that doesn't mean he isn't open for all kinds of criticism, ridicule and rejection. I've been on several different internet forums and have seen nobody...NOT ONE PERSON...say this Coptic Christian jack_ass doesn't have the right to spew garbage. We all agree that this Geller witch has the right be the ugly American she is! Nobody is saying all you religious fanatics don't have the right to live your life as you choose.
But we're going to hold you responsible when you are! We hold the Islamic extremists responsible so we will hold Nakoula, Geller and Nassala responsible for their part. We'll hold you responsible too if you support their ideology and suscribe to their extremism. WE ARE TIRED OF DYING FOR YOUR MADE UP GODS? And you will be held accountable...here on Earth.
Who isn't supporting his "right to make this film" Al? I think it's stupid, it's hateful, wrong and insulting but I support his right to be all of those. He is free to be stupid, allowed to be wrong, welcomed to be ugly and hateful...it's his absolute right! BUT that doesn't mean he isn't open for all kinds of criticism, ridicule and rejection. I've been on several different internet forums and have seen nobody...NOT ONE PERSON...say this Coptic Christian doesn't have the right to spew garbage. We all agree that this Geller witch has the right be the ugly American she is!.Nobody is saying all you religious fanatics don't have the right to live your life as you choose BUT we're going to hold you responsible.
We hold the Islamic extremists responsible so we will hold Nakoula, Geller and Nassala responsible for their part. We'll hold you responsible too if you support their ideology and suscribe to their extremism. WE ARE TIRED OF DYING FOR YOUR MADE UP GODS? And you will be held accountable...here on Earth.
I follow the news pretty close every day and one off the realities of this life is you can make fun off every religion out there but the Muslims. Now don't tell me you didn't know that fact of life. it's well know that if you diss the Muslim faith people will die. So these a$$ h$&$&s in California didn't know that. My hope is that we never hear from these jerks again.
I have to point out that Nakoula's "movie" wasn't "making fun" of Muslims. The entire intent was to enrage religious people against each other even further. The motive was to foster more stress and tension between Christian and Muslim leaving the rest of us stuck with their hate and bloodshed.
When I "make fun" of religion I mean ALL religion and yet I don't fear dying as a result. What I fear and am sick and tired of is living under religious rule in a country that expressly forbid that in our Constitution yet we suffer through god in gov every day.
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Been there, done that, coming out of the “peaceful” world of Islam. We saw what transpired when an editorial cartoon depicting their prophet Mohammed was published and we are seeing this madness ALL OVER…again!
Come on people! Is this really about cartoons and a video? These people are rampaging and burning flags. They're looking for westerners to beat and kidnap. They're threatening pretty much anybody that doesn’t buy into their cult ideology and are generally raising holy hell not because of any outrage over a stupid video. These Muslims are outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged!!
You don't really need a reason. You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property, murdering the innocent, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Packer's fan.
Infidel: Just my opinion--but I'm guessing this has much more to do with politics and economics than religion. Notice who is doing all the rampaging. Young men who are obviously unemployed and have more time than $$$ and/or political power.
I'm no expert--but I think if these young men were employed and felt more empowered--they wouldn't need the USA for an enemy to destroy.
Sad, isn't it?
"What, there is gambling going on here, I am shocked". What, it was a highly negative anti Muslim film, I am shocked. Maybe next time you will check into the background of people you loan your assets to. Your lucky he didn't sell your studio while he was at it being the con man he is.
So Nassralla was deceived, so what? He's in the business of deceiving others with his cockamamie beliefs.
Our ability to get riled up over religion speaks to deep insecurities as people about who we are and our place in the world. Unemployment is high in the Middle East. Unemployment is high in America (but not as high as the Middle East). We're getting poorer, someone else is getting richer, and during times where the masses feel helpless, turning to religion or stepping it up seems inevitable.
It really boils down to the Muslim Brotherhood to either peacefully resolve matters with the Copts, and to actively discourage sectarian warfare. People lobbying from the outside may just make it worse.
Considering the military was stacked with Mubarak guys, the Brotherhood needs to be careful. There's always the dangerous possibility of a military coup...in which case the Copts are an easy target for the people on the street.
It seems like not only was this film not "government sponsored" as terrorist groups are saying, but at LEAST half of the people involved in the film's creation were deceived and find it offensive! It sounds as though the people burning Western buildings are not only murderous but GROSSLY misinformed! I guess we must all be careful to always read the fine print!
He deceived everybody, put actors in HIS film doing one thing, then dub them over with violently incendiary language, and leave them out to dry. When HE gets called on the carpet by authorities, what does he do? He hides his face behind his clothes afraid to put himself out there in anywhere near the form he did with his actors, without their knowledge. This guy really is about as slimy as it gets.
Actually, I think he'd be in jail for fraud. He defrauded several people for large sums of money.
I still question if someone posted a poorly created and edited highly racist or highly anti-any other religion, would it be getting this play? Look at the post on MSNBC swearing that all conservatives or all liberals should be killed or neutered, and there isn't mass murders or blood lettings over those. The Islamist position for the ridiculous actions their extremist have called for is indefensible. Some of their own clerics have even stated that.
I personally believe find the muslim and anti-christian hilarious, hell look at the post on MSNBC and other places. As stated many times, base fundemental religion is almost always the teaching of truth, honesty, goodness and tolerance. Extremist take add the human failures to it. That said, isn't it completely hypocritical for those posting apologies of sorts to the Islamist extremist while lambasting Christians. Technically, they (Islamist) are worshipping the same god as Christian's. A lot of hypocritical thinking (or lack there of) going on in this case.
My last point is that no matter what I think of Geller or Jones or the other Oxygen breather that was allegedly involved in the editing of this little film, I don't believe that when other countries start demanding they be extridited for trial, should the US even seriously consider it. Geller is correct on one thing if that one thing only, any trial in one of those countries would absolutely lead to a death sentence. Anyone in this country who has opposed the death sentence as the liberal movement has should morally or ethically consider it. Any who do are complete hypocrites.
This guy is so full of sh*t. He just wants off the list of people who the Muslims are going after to kill.
Egypt put out the hit list yesterday and now he wants to claim he didn't know.
I'll believe that when a God stands before me and tells me he sent a prophet to "spread his peaceful words", "but kill those that don't believe".
Christian activist=racist,hatemongering bigot,aka American Taliban. Who would Jesus hate? In Rightwing world their Jesus lives in a trailler park and listens 24/7 to Rush,Rightwing hate radio and Faux News.
This guy is pure Rightwing trailer trash! A Hatemongering inbred!
Surely, if we elect Romney, we can get WW3 underway. Jesus HAS to come back then! I can't wait! I'm already packing my chit for the day of reckoning. I've confessed all my sins to the local child moles......errr Priest. I've packed my Magic Underwear (Hey, maybe Joe Smith was right), and I've given all my money to Pat Robertson.
One psycho religion or another....it just does not matter. Atheists did not declare war on religion. Religion declared war on mankind. What kind of all powerful and all loving God would involve themselves in the messes that the extremist RW lunatics of all religions involve themselves in?
that guy bass(tard) or whoever he is today came from egypt. They seem to want him more than we do. bye bye.