My god I @!$%#ing hate religion.

The best part of this is that yes, these signs can be displayed in public, but no, you can't read them while enjoying a large soda.

I'm glad we take everyone into consideration when we make decisions like this :-P

Its Bloomburg and his agendas.

I gather from the poll results that I'm not the only one having difficulty voting.

Looks to me someone is trying to get us to limit free speech! I smell something fishy

O and The Southern Poverty Law Center brands everyone as a hate group who has a different opinion than them just so you know..

He said he hated religion...not god. One can love their god and hate religion.

God is love.

God is wonderful.

Organized religion is cancer.

Its not just Obama Nazis like TFNJ seem to side with Progressives as both groups seem to hate Jews, albeit for differing reasosn.

Coral

There's no bigger oxymoron than the very concept of your god.

"I believe in an omnipresent, omnipotent being who is all powerful ... yet, he can't seem to defeat satan and his evil deeds, and for some reason, he always needs us to defend him. And money. He always needs money."

"God" sounds like my uncle harry sittin' around in his stained T-Shirt

No need to quarrel about language. Just make it an international poster. I suggest a drawing of someone in a burkha, with their shoes smoldering, in a red circle with a red slash through it.

"Its not just Obama Nazis like TFNJ seem to side with Progressives as both groups seem to hate Jews, albeit for differing reasosn."

Did you come up with that pearl of wisdom all by yourself, Jeff? What a pathetic crock of @!$%#.

Looks like everyone is getting sick and tired of these women hating muslim fanatics. Not everyone is going to cowar to these loud mouth nut bags.

Soooooo these people are allowed to post their ads in a public area where mass transit will occur but I wonder how many of them actually ride the subway? I wonder how many travel into the areas where their ads will be posted? My guess would be Not Many! They do this, as many today, to get a rise out of others because "they can". They do not care about ownership or that someone will retaliate against their poster and manyinnocent will get hurt and then.....this is when they get to scream out "See I told you, they are heathens" etc. What a sick and twisted society that we live in today.

It seems as though everyone "wants their slice" and they are so blinded by agenda that they dont see the craziness creeping up on them. The mayor makes it illegal for super size soft drinks? So.... he stomps his feet and makes a scene to pass a law banning super sized soft drinks while trying to ban firearms completely and the city is not in an uproar? Not that I think our society could not stand to lose a few pounds and cut back of some of the buffets but that is everyones option. Bloomburg is a cancer on the face of NY, seriously.

We are slowly plummeting downward into the abyss of no return.......we are doomed! *sigh*

@davefromphilly: THEY want to start a fight with Islam? Methinks Islam started the fight a little over a decade ago. I really wish that someone would finish it by eradicating the virus of Islam from earth once and for all. Islam breeds filthy, savage vermin. Nothing more. This ad campaign hits the nail right on the head.

Chad's comment isn't an oxymoron because God has nothing to do with religion. Organized religion (cults) deemed time and time againt to go against the written word - and there is more blood and discrimination on the church than any other institution in history of mankind (hardly something God would associate himself with). God had nothing to do with any of that so don't drag his good name into it.

Sichuan, he has similar posts below. LOL. I had to ask him why he would get so bent out of shape over someone disagreeing with a jew.

Warmongering neocons are stirring up trouble again. But I agree this ad should not be censored.

Great. I'm going to have to wonder if I'm going to survive a subway ride every day b/c some idiot wants to provoke violence.

How is it war mongering when they attack first. If they don't agree with our way of life, they should stop blowing up our people and buildings. The US used to be united against its enemies and fight back, now we cower in fear. How is it ever good for a nation built on strength to look weak? How is it ever good to cut military spending? Not many nations love us, but fear us. Some nations fear us, but still have a strong influence on policy. China, Russia, Iran. What happens when they aren't afraid anymore and our military is struck in half and our economy continues to plumit. I'm not saying they will attack us at home, but good luck going on vacation, or business overseas. I know Czar Obama says its all good and just give him four more years, but mark my words, it is going to get way worse if he gets four more.

People like nydoglover cower in fear... but many of us would NEVER allow ourselves to live in fear of filthy, barbaric Islamic vermin even if they had loaded guns to our head right now. I woudl die before I gave them the satisfaction of seeing fear in my eyes. While it might not always have been the case, Islam today is a disease, a pestilence desperately in need of eradication.

smarterthanu11 <<<< speaking of oxymorons

So Obama, the president who made the decision to take Osama out and has dropped more hellfire missiles on terrorist heads in 4 years than Bush did in 8, is making us look "weak on terror"?

Who was in office when 911 happened again? Isn't it funny how the Right simply forgets that the worst attack in this nations history happened under a Republican president?

@chad: To righty-tighties, history changes to suit whatever point they're trying to make at the time. What they don't seem to realize is that to intelligent people their rewriting of history is nonsense.

Am I the only one that sees more issue with people killing someone over a poster, than the fact the poster is there in the first place? Seriously, people do things that are offensive all the time and noone is concerned with the streets filling with blood, why would this scenario be special? The responses to this point more to the issue of the people its directed at, than the people posting.

Person A posts offensive poster. Person B get upset about poster. Person B kills persons C & D in retaliation to poster. Person A is responsible for this. There is something seriously flawed with that logic. Person B is nutbag who is SOLEY responsible for the deaths of Person C & D. The fact that he went on a killing spree over a poster is the problem. Not the poster. The fact that people would blame Person A is just silly. No personal responsiblity, always has to be someone else to blame. Just sad really.

I am sooo relieved to know that some of the people who preach "God is love" are the same ones going out of their way to add fuel to a fire burning in the middle east, as if "not enough" people have died yet under the name of "God". Those same people have learned nothing from history as one only has to go back to last week.

My issue with these signs is that they are asking you to support a Jewish agenda instead of simply an anti-terrorist agenda. I don't believe in cowering in fear of muslim extremists but I think this goes too far.

We give in to muslim demands far too often in North America. If they don't like our way of life they are welcome to leave. We are opening ourselves up to eventually being taken over by muslims and being forced to live by muslim rules. They have way more children than non-muslims (except for maybe the Duggars), and eventually they will become the majority here. Once that happens and they move into politics we are screwed.

Although not all muslims want to harm us remember that according to Islam all non-believers are Infidels and the Infidels must be eliminated. In addition, even muslim believers who disagree with killing the Infidel are technically Infidels themselves.

You got it, BoBo: the person responsible for the violence is the one who commits it. Period.

When was the last time you saw (in this country) someone shooting up a crowd or mosque yelling "In the Name of Christ'? Please. that comment is so weak

speech intended to provoke is not covered under fre speech. thse are people who want to promote violence so they can say i told you so. they don't care if someone is hurt in the process. just collateral damge.

i don't get violent reactions to things you don't like, but i also don't get prvoking violent actions

LOL, replace mosque with abortion clinic, and we have a true story.

When was the last time you saw (in this country) someone shooting up a crowd or mosque yelling "In the Name of Christ'? Please. that comment is so weak

The main social difference between Christianity and Islam, is that the former had the direct benefit of being highly influenced by The Principles of the Enlightenment ... while Islam was (for the large part) wholly isolated from this great movement. Culturally, we are all now suffering from this sad fact.

But, let's not gloss over Christian history of torture and murder ... lets have a little more dignity than that.

Here's a novel idea, how about we all just grow up and put away our childish superstitions before they get us all killed?

@chad-1841583: Seriously..is it that black and white to you? You're saying our intelligence community started with a completely clean slate when Obama took office and didn't simply continue with the work that they started 8 years earlier?

And you think that 9-11 took only a few months to plan? It was likely planned for years during Clinton's administration.

Some people are extremely biggoted.

Eugene

Is your reading comprehension seriously that black and white?

I wasn't blaming Bush for anything, simply reminding an anti-Obama ideologue about what actually happened ... you know, history.

By the way, When Bush was asked about Osama's whereabouts, he said: "I'm truly not concerned about him."

That's not a paraphrase ... it's a direct quote that you can look up.

So yes, Obama WAS working with a blank slate when he got into office and made hunting Osama a main initiative of his first term's platform. Another little fact you can look up.

Thanks for coming out.

STOP blaming muslims for 9-11, that was ENTIRELY a US Military controlled crash and demolition, STOP believing that a couple guys on a plane did all that.

WE have been murdering THEIR citizens since before most of us were even born !

Chad

Yes a Republican was sitting in the Oval Office during 9/11....you conveniently forget to mention that a Democrat (Clinton) was there when he was advised to take out Osama Bin Laden yrs before 9/11. If he had...guess what? Rep wouldnt of had the fallout for Clinton not having the B#### to killing him when he should have. I am sure this was just an oversite on your part and not ommitted from your comment intentionally

I have heard that total indoctrination is Bliss.

If you are totally indoctrinated in the "progressive" propaganda, and totally indcotrinate by the New Atheist Church, are you double BLISSFUL?

Jeff

You and Eugene must have went to the same school?

My point WASN'T to blame Bush. As I've said like 5 times now, I was merely pointing out a few aspects of history for a commenter that was going on an anti-Obama rant about how he makes us less safe and look weak in the eyes of the world.

I am sure this was just an oversite on your part and not ommitted from your comment intentionally

Nope, not an oversite on my part, but a straw man on yours.

I believe in following true-isms for example........If God is Love.....and Love is Blind.......therefore Ray Charles is God.

Not true Chad, Osama was pursued under both administrations. Also Clinton had the green light, and chose not to eliminate the target. Would have been killed under Bush, but intellegence leaked and Osama was moved before the strike team got there. Time did a piece on that fact, that is why second time around we did not share our intellegence with any other country.

Mike the trash man, I watched the second plane live on tv crash into the second tower. GET REAL!!!

Sorry, but you're wrong.

Obama made a conscious choice to ramp up efforts to find Osama when he took office because Bush long pulled resources and (as the quote I highlighted points out) didn't much care about actually finding Osama. You can argue politics all you'd like, these are simply the facts. None of these points have anything to do with Clinton.

@mike ; When he said "my God" he is an atheist sir. An atheist saying "my God" is an oxymoron.

So you missed it completely.

An oxymoron (plural oxymora or oxymorons) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms.

I would say an atheist saying "my God" is surely contradictory. Also I did not "drag" Gods name into anything he did. Now what?!!!!

YOU people who see this post as hateful and incitement...a couple of questions :

1. The add specifically states "defeat JIHAD", not "Islam"; thus, it draws a line between the two. Those of you who see this as incitement, it is YOU who are saying that the two are synonymous. - YOU are the haters.

So, of those who denigrate the ad - are you saying that we should NOT "Defeat" Jihad ?

Oh, I see - so it's not REALLY anti Islam, but it's "close", so we not only have to NOT denigrate Islam, we have to govern ourselves so that even a stretching of the meaning wont "appear" anti "anyhtinghavingtodowithislam".

2. I wonder - if we put signs in the subway saying "defeat Communism", would we be afraid to ride the subways for fear of Russians ? Cubans ? Chinese ? Why not ?

Actually this War in GODS name started way before a decade ago. And all three Religions from that area have blood on their hands. Why not just leave the HOLY WAR in the Not so HOLY LAND. This is about a bunch of old men wanting to PLAY GOD. And dictate what others believe for personal power.

Man made Religion. Wrote some books and people started to kill over it. MIS- understanding meaning they MISSED the point. Sad part is people die for it daily. And suffer for it endlessly. Talk about a HELL its on earth for these people.

Chad - "But, let's not gloss over Christian history of torture and murder ... lets have a little more dignity than that."

EVERY culture, you dont even have to say religion - has a history of torture and murder if you go back far enough. Your trying to use the dark ages as proof of a violent people. Great-Great-Great-Great Grandchildren of these people are long dead. Thats like holding you and I responsible for Slavery or murdering Native Americans when America was founded. It doesnt hold water, you cant pin the sins of the father on the children. We didnt do that, we had absolutley nothing to do with it. We couldnt have opposed it if we wanted, as we werent even twinkles in our grandparents eyes yet.

The issue with Islamic Jihads is that its current, and widespread. There will be pockets of nutbags in every group, but there seems to be a lot more of them practicing Islam than any other religion. This article is a case in point. People on this thread are bashing religions, Athiest groups bash christianity daily - you dont see the people of that faith rallying a holy war do you?

And for the record - im not catholic, im not anything.

chad-1841583

Sorry, but you're wrong.

Obama made a conscious choice to ramp up efforts to find Osama when he took office because Bush long pulled resources and (as the quote I highlighted points out) didn't much care about actually finding Osama. You can argue politics all you'd like, these are simply the facts. None of these points have anything to do with Clinton.

sorry but you are wrong chad. obama just continued what bush had got started, he didnt "ramp up" nothing and there were no "pulled resources" under bush, your making stuff up just to make your guy obama look good. osama was a figure head, nothing more, him being killed meant nothing to the greater war on terror and i question osamas death as its not customary in islam to bury the dead at sea as they said. how does nothing have to do with clinton? with that thought there is nothing to bring up bush about. clinton was handed osama multiple times but clinton refused based on legalities, 1993 was the first world trade center bombing committed by the same group and that was under clintons watch. what did he do about it? eh they got a few guys and provided them with a public trail at tax payer expense but they never got any leaders. the OP to get osama was a failure due to one of our secret heli's crashing and pakistani selling the parts to china.

why do you slobber over obama, all i hear out of him and his wife's mouth is nothing but lies, they constantly lie about their life, lie about other peoples life, lie about the stupidest things. michelle and obama both say he grew up poor but that is the farthest thing from the truth, she says he had a rusted car but that was not true, obama says as a lawyer he helped the poor, he never did, he defended politically connected people. i have not heard the truth out of obama since he first opened his mouth. i dont trust any politician and obama is a first class lying politician.

Before you say anything against Mike the Trashman - you might peruse the books by David Ray Griffen:

Such as "The New Pearl Harbor (original or revisited), he has quite the list of scholars, engineers, fire personal, police, one scene people, thermite experts & more all at Ground Zero - all listed by name and title...How many buildings fall onto their blueprint at free-fall speed (9.2m2/s)....none...without a demotion...and WT #7...how did it fall? (That's the little building were all the CIA files were kept)...Why did all the core steel columns just happen to happen to break at the perfect distance to be barged to China as scrap and not analyzed? HMMMM....

Turn on your phone at 14-30,000 ft and see if you can leave a message...nope... and Mr. Beamer - whose call from a pay phone in the seat of the plane - sorry, that plane didn't have seat phones...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=13003

So let me get this straight - the Metropolitan Transportation Authority is not allowed to reject ads? They aren't allowed to tell someone they don't want their money and reject their ad?

only in new york !!!! but i don't see a problem with it, islam is a disease and people should know

Instead of worrying about adds - perhaps they should have the MTA workers actually know WHERE a train is going...the D line in Brooklyn had a track fire about 5 weeks ago....what should have been a 1.5 hour ride "Take the N line" - ended up being over 5 hours with everyone giving the wrong information!

I think the poster that says " Don't surf and die, ride inside" (Translated into 5 languages - and showing a stick figure getting a red "X" on it's head, outside the train was funny) -

This add, is not funny nor appropriate, but MTA is all about not getting abortions either...guess those babies are supposed to fight the American fatwa against the entire Mid-East!

While I support their right to post it and speak their position freely I would not feel comfortable using one of those stations knowing that someone may have just painted a bullseye on my back by basically inviting/daring some idiot to attack.

I hate to rain on the "conspiracy parade" but ANY building that loses it's roof will, in fact, all upon itself. It's simple structural engineering.

The absolute BEST comment thus far has come from the poster remind folks that this AD is against "Jihad"...not the Muslim religion nor their belief system. For those of you that aren't in the know, "Jihad" means "A religious war with those who are unbelievers". It just so happens to be tenent of the Muslim faith. If this advertisement said, "We should kill all Muslims", then some of you would have valid points. However, it doesn't state that and although unpopular in today's "society of false tolerance", verbalizing your opinion in either spoken or written word is still legal in this country. The more "politically correct" we become, the more we abolish that right. I'm sorry, but the law isn't derived from the "What makes me happy" movement.

You can even liken a "Jihad" much to what Hitler did. We, as a country, took entirely too long in that event to react as well.

According to your logic Crusade can also be linked to what Hitlar did.

EVERY culture, you dont even have to say religion - has a history of torture and murder if you go back far enough. Your trying to use the dark ages as proof of a violent people. Great-Great-Great-Great Grandchildren of these people are long dead.

You don't have to go back very far to find torture or murder in our history. Just 3-4 years will suffice. Have you forgotten Iraq? Extraordinary renditions? abu Ghraib?

For those of you that aren't in the know, "Jihad" means "A religious war with those who are unbelievers". It just so happens to be tenent of the Muslim faith.

Actually, for those of you that aren't in the know, "Jihad" means struggle. From the wikipedia entry on Jihad: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad )

The term 'jihad' has accrued both violent and non-violent meanings. It can simply mean striving to live a moral and virtuous life, spreading and defending Islam as well as fighting injustice and oppression, among other things

And

An accurate interpretation of the concept of Jihad is provided by the BBC about how Muslims describe three different types of struggles:^[7]

A believer's internal struggle to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible
The struggle to build a good Muslim society
Holy war: the struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary

In western societies the term jihad is often translated by non-Muslims as "holy war".^[8][9] Scholars of Islamic studies often stress that these words are not synonymous.^[10] Muslim authors, in particular, tend to reject such an approach, stressing non-militant connotations of the word.^[11][12]

So, basically, this is an ad against decency, if you want to use "Jihad" the way Muslims understand it.

You can even liken a "Jihad" much to what Hitler did. We, as a country, took entirely too long in that event to react as well.

And you can also liken what we did to a Jihad as well. The word "Jihad" means "struggle." Look it up :-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

chad-1841583

Coral

There's no bigger oxymoron than the very concept of your god.

"I believe in an omnipresent, omnipotent being who is all powerful ... yet, he can't seem to defeat satan and his evil deeds, and for some reason, he always needs us to defend him. And money. He always needs money."

"God" sounds like my uncle harry sittin' around in his stained T-Shirt

Chad

God is oxymoronic to all atheist. That's nothing new. Your lack of understanding and faith will always keep you ignorant of his teachings.

Can't defeat the devil ??? Is that what u think his purpose is? Who told u what God's purpose is ? If someone created you, how would you know what his/her purpose is when you don't even know the purpose of your own existence.

"He needs us to defend him, he needs money." This is too ludicrous to answer except to say how do u know what the Lord needs ? U have it always backwards; he doesn't need us; we need him.

God is oxymoronic to all atheist. That's nothing new.

Let's revise that, shall we?

God is oxymoronic to all atheist. That's nothing new.

Ahh, I feel much better about this :)

Your lack of understanding and faith will always keep you ignorant of his teachings.

"When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"

Can't defeat the devil ??? Is that what u think his purpose is?

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

Wow, rarely can I refute someone's simple-minded rambling with short quotes ... but you made that rather easy.

gtouch

I believe in following true-isms for example........If God is Love.....and Love is Blind.......therefore Ray Charles is God.

--------- My entire belief system has been shattered. All this time I have been worshipping at the altar of the false god, Stevie Wonder. I thank you Gtouch for your unselfish missionary work. Praise be to Ray.

NY has an Arab community just as big as the Jewish community. Will they have to retaliate with their own sign? Where does this end?

I support Israel. and probably always will. O and by the way Israeli women are hot.. just saying

I admit I am attracted to Jewish women.

Poot44,

So you back the muslims? Please tell me what muslims have done for our country that is so great?

At least the jewish folk have given us movies, television shows, jewlery, banks, etc. and their women are good looking usually with large juggs.

When faced with the choice of supporting Israel or a bunch of barbaric Moslem vermin, I will pick Israel every time. It really is too bad that there are people like poot44 who have asinine beliefs that Americans should live in fear of Islam because Islam hates America. What cowardly filth..

Yeah this is cute as he!!. Posted by the subways stations. Are they asking for them to bombed? This is insane! Better off to just spray paint God is Love on mosques doors or somehthing, maybe smash out a few windows. not this.

Yeah SeewhatImean... God forbid Americans should take a stand against Islam and stick to it. Thank goodness we're not ALL a bunch of spineless cowards like you. People like you make me sick with your defeatist, pacifist attitudes. You'd hand America over to the dogs if the dogs scared you enough wouldn't you?

TFNJ -

You asked: "Will they have to retaliate with their own sign."

That would be the civilized thing to do. We can only hope . . .

Tyler, you are kicking some serious boo-tay today. How does one get a job patrolling the news blogs? I'm serious.

lol, poot44 (Post 2)

ANYONE who is not a Jihadist or Jihad sympathizer would opine that ANYWHERE is a good place to put anti JIHAD posts; unless, of course, you think Jihad is GOOD..OR, that being anti-Jihadist is not a good thing.

TELL us, POOT - please tell us where , in your opinion, we are "free" to stand up against Jihad. I mean, since by your opinion, we in the UNITED STATES should be limited as to where we can oppose JIHAD (as opposed to Islam), PLEASE tell us WHERE we're allowed to exercise freedom of speech and opinion.

OR, is it that, according to you, we give up that right if it offends someone.

And, ELECTRO ! (Post 2.8)

YOU are a main source of this hatred, by way of twisting the post's CLEAR language.

We are NOT taking a stance against "Islam", as you claim, but, rather, against JIHAD.

"We" Jeff? So, is that why you are attacking anyone here who is against this sign? Now I get it.

No. I just attack ANYONE who seeks to take away my rights.

And, before you get your knickers in a tizzy, IF that billboard had said :Defeat ISLAM" (as opposed to "Defeat JIHAD"), I would call that hate speech, unprotected and advocate its removal.

The fact that you, and those LIKE you , seek to ban something that calls for the defeat of JIHAD evidences that you DO seek to take away my RIGHTFUL rights.

Communism in the 50's and 60's sought to impose their way of life on the world around them - they expanded and threatened FREE countries' way of life. Had busess posted signs saying "Defeat COMMUNISM), I doubt if that would have raised the ruckus that this post did. WHY is that ?

You ask why I attack ? I VERBALLY attack something like JIHAD, which PHYSICALLY attacks me - and then, some ignorant bleeding hearts oppose the speaking out against those who advocate terror.

NOW do you "get it "?

So, if you went onto a subway and saw:

"Blasphamers of our faith must be punished. The Jihadist will always defeat the Infidels".

That would be ok? Or would you call that inciting hate and violence?

I couldn't think of a better Muslimy sign, but you get my point.

You walk by worse everyday on your way through cities. There is all kinds of crap written on walls and in allies. What I do is ignore it. It is not generally ok with me that people do not have the good sense to not say or write such things but that is what expression is. There is a vary vary fine line between expression and inciting hate but it is far better to error on the side of free speech then it is to restrict what people say to easily simply because we are afraid.

We do not want to go down the road of making up reasons based on fear as to why people should be restricted easily from speaking their mind.

"Blasphamers of our faith must be punished. The Jihadist will always defeat the Infidels".

If it was in any American city, I would give it about 2 minutes to be defaced and probably in one of the most vile ways imaginable! Probably the same will happen with this ad.

The problem with QE137 is that he has too much faith in his fellow man, to expect that signs like this would be ignored. I agree with you Stege that there would be defacing, etc. But.. Muslims will probably make it into a bigger agenda and protest. If for some chance an anti jew remark is made on the banner, then there will be bias crimes reported. The nonsense will not end. Why, because this lady has her own personal agenda? Then why not hang the sign under her own name?

This isn't hate speech. It's factual. It's the overly sensitve party's reaction to it that makes it 'hate'. Catholics and Christians are attacked on a daily basis but they turn the other cheek. It's time the Muslims learn this.

But whoever did this is trying to stir up violence in this country too. It's coming to America. Be prepared.

No TFNJ... i would simply remove it and use it as toilet paper

It may be your opinion that Jews are civilised and muslims are not George, but that fact doesn't belong on an approved banner on a subway.

But you ended that post right. This is being done on purpose for someones personal agenda.

Correct Johngis, and they will too. And the jews will complain, and this will escalate.

escalate? this is the United States of America.

Just to be clear. I have NO faith in man, none at all. I do have faith in the constitution. While it was written to include protections against inciting violence, it was also written to error on the side of freedom.

It is extremely easy to go from restricting freedom of speech so as to protect the public from a violent reaction, to the government totally restricting free speech for lesser reasons.

Really QE137 ?

"defeat JIHAD" (as opposed to "Islam") is HATE speech ?

You are VERY (overly) politically correct.

So, TELL us, in your infinite wisdom:

Since "Jihad" means "HOLYwar", is it ONLY "Holy" wars that we cant speak out against ? or is it ALL wars ? OR, are the only ones who would get your protection are Muslims ?

AND, while we're at it, oh, wise "QE", what OTHER freedoms would you take away from us ?

PLEASE - we're DYING to know......

Oh..and one more thing, QE -

Dont you DARE tell us that you "have faith in the Constitution" and then tell us that you would take away the very same liberties that the Constitution gives us.

You speaketh with forked tongue.

And..John ? (Post 4.6)

As to your quote: "No TFNJ... i would simply remove it and use it as toilet paper"-

I think you'd need a bigger banner to match that which you wish to wipe.

It is my opinion that it is hate speech because it is singling out a word known to be used by Islamist on a regular basis, there for it is a thinly veiled attack on a certain group of people. If it is not an attack on a certain group, then why not word it like this?

"defeat terrorism" Since anyone can be a terrorist no matter what religion this wording is more appropriate to the supposed message. In any event, I am on the side of them being able to post what ever wording they want in their ads, so long as it dose not incite violence. So, Jeff, your attack on my OPINION that it falls under hate speech is unwarranted.

I never suggested that they should be restricted from posting this ad. I do not see it as something that should outright cause problems in a civilized society. Oh, and my belief in the Constitution is impeccable and unassailable.

Like it or not, QE, people are NOT thinking to themselves, as they are boarding a plane and going through security "gee, I hope my flight is safe from the KKK".

The FACT is, that white supremacists may hate the government and do, at times, take their wrath out on innocents, there are more Muslim terrorists planning against us, then there are white supremacist. That is no more racist than saying that the majority of illegal aliens in this country are Latino. It simply "is".

That banner addresses "Jihad" (not "Islam") because it was JIHAD that inflicted a LOT of hurt on NYC.

You ARE right about ONE thing, though - "there for it is a thinly veiled attack on a certain group of people" - it's just that that "Certain group" which the post targets, are JIHADISTS and not KKK. Perhaps in Alabama, the banner would have been different...or if the KKK were the ones who brought down the towers. Nor do we hear, every SINGLE day, about White Supremacist killing others WORLD WIDE...against themselves, too !

Further, your "about face" on "them being able to post what ever wording they want in their ads, so long as it does not incite violence", misses the point.

Violence, in response to a book, or a movie, or a cartoon, is NEVER warranted. Because some would overreact violently, you say that we should curtail our way of life, our rights. Once again, it is not unlike the high schoolers who couldn't wear an American flag t-shirt on Cinco De' Mayo, because some would or could react violently. NEVER MIND that a violent reaction is inappropriate illegal and a colossal over reaction - the prevailing POV was to curtail a non violent and lawful act out of FEAR of the violent and illegal acts.

NO, QE - that is NOT what the Constitution which you impeccably and unassailabley believe in. THAT Constitution believes JUST the opposite.

So....backpeddle all you want. I 'aint buyin'.

Read all my comments. I never did an about face, because I never suggested that they should not be able to post this message.

Trust me, I know the intent of the Constitution and it's important, as I have had my rights under it violated many times. Times that are now coming back to bite those who did. If you read all my answers to people, you will see how I have warned that we DO NOT want to go down the road of restricting speech easily or without reason. Like it or not, the constitution it's self DOSE have limits in regards to all of it's freedoms.

I have never in any one of my posts been for removing the text of these ads as they stand, but my personal belief still stands that it is thinly veiled hate speech. You should also clearly see how I have pointed out time and again how I believe we should NEVER modify our speech for reason of fear alone.

yea i thought so. They want to limit free speech here in the US. So putting those posters up in subways is using free speech to try to make us fear it so we limit it.

The atheist association has put up Anti-God and Anti-Mormon Billboards and no one has rioted or been killed over it. Why can't this group put up anti-jihad ads?

It's an Anti_jihad ad!!!!!! Hands up.....how many are against Jihad? I rest my case!!

Majority rules....looks like the ad stays.....not to mention free speech

Ah, jeff362275 - therein lies the lie !

These apologists who want you to believe that they are devoid of prejudice believe exactly the opposite.

They use, "Jihad" and "Islam" as synonyms. (because they cant REALLY be against speaking out against Holywar against us) - So, by them seeking political correctness by criticizing those who are against JIHAD, they actually make the opposite case.

I dont think anyone in their right mind would dare to put that up.

Yes indeed AJ, thank you ACLU..

WRONG, AJ:

It has long been established that advocating terror is NOT protected speech, whereas speaking out AGAINST terror IS. Thus, postings that advocate Jihad would not be "using our rights against us".

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing", and YOU, my friend, are VERY "dangerous".

What sickens me here is that this is a woman with her own agenda. But these signs are being hung under the banner "American Freedom Defense Initiative".

Someone not reading any further would assume that an official US sponsored group is advocating this. If she changed "American" to Jewish, then in would be more truthful.

than it is no longer freedom of speech once we being to limit it in any form would yo not sag?

It's freedom of speak if I say it. But can I speak for you?

I don't see you posting under your own name so why should others Adolph?

Are you jewish jeff? Are you offended at anyone even seeming to go against an idea a jew has?

sickandtiredofit-3820065

The claim of free speech should be limited to what comes direcetly out of your mouth ("speech")or a sign you want to carry.

I agree. Let's immediately ban all newspapers and magazines.

Denver, American newspapers don't print opinions and call them "American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI)"

No TFNJ, most newspapers print opinions and call them facts under the banner of a formerly respected publication.

Wow wakeup!!! You got that one exactly right!!!!!! Unbiased reporting wentby the wayside a long time ago... We may not like what people have to say. We may not like it when they do it under some name instead of their own..BUT....THis is STILL AMERICA...WE all have to stand for freedom of speech..we can NOT put restrictions on it just because a few words are "offensive" to one group or another!!! You start taking this away and what's next????? Should we start having people arrested and jailed if they say anything negative about Obama???? NO. You can call it bigoted, you can call it racist, and sometimes it is. BUT there are plenty of people who could care less about his color that dislike his service to this country so far. IF we take those right to say so a away then we have to take others rights to diss Romney and call it bigoted and racist as well. IT doesn't matter who it is, what they do etc.. IF we start giving up our freedoms slowly but surely we will lose them all.

The "American Freedom Defense Initiative" title is purposefully misrepresenting themselves. If they want to put a sign, go ahead, but TFNJ is correct, they should change American to Jewish as that is who they really are.

American Jew. These are not mutually-exclusive terms! Just like American Atheist, American Baptist, etc.

Sick an tired -

"“So you’re the little lady who wrote the book that started this great war.” Lincoln on meeting Harriet Beecher Stowe.

Would you have limited the publication of her book to what she could put on a sandwich board?

As many times as I have read the Constitutioon, I find no RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED.

Sickandtired:

You miss the point by a mile.

Your quote: "It occures to me that people hide behind this right when they post it in a public place and are not there in person." - is fallacious.

1. By the term "hiding behind", you mean "taking advantage of". - and you're RIGHT. What good are rights if you dont take advantage of them ? Is writing a book...or drawing a cartoon...or paying for a billboard - ANY less "hiding behind" than a subway billboard ?

YOU, and those of your ILK fail to realize that it's EASY to protect "popular" speech. It's when the speech is UNPOPULAR that protection is paramount.

YOU and those of your ilk, are more dangerous that ANY Jihadist. At least THEY have the STONES to come out and say "We want to take away your very way of LIFE - WE want to take away your freedoms" - sure, those are EASY to ferret out and debunk.

YOU, on the other hand, have the SAME agenda, but carefully hide behind political correctness", when in fact, you both seek the same thing.

UDunnobro:

What GOOD is "being against Jihad" if you're criticized for TALKING against it ?

NUMEROUS posts on here denigrate the post for talking about it.

I think MOST Germans were against the holocaust; but few had the STONES to speak up.

I think MOST Muslims are against terror, but a MAIN reason that people dont like Muslims, is because they FAIL and REFUSE to publicly speak out aainst Terror.

That is not unlike the U.N. when Israel bombed Kadaffi's Nuclear plant in the 80's, and Syria's in '02. - Secretly, the U.N. were elated, but, publicly, they condemned Israel - why ? out of FEAR.

You ask "what exactly is the point of these ads?"

Simple - "All that evil needs to succeed, is for good men to do nothing"...or SAY nothing. Being against Jihad means NOTING if you dont come out and SAY it...JUST as Muslims, being against Terror means NOTHING f they dont take a stand.

Did you think Bloomburg would turn her away?

America is a country where Jewish people predate your family by centuries. Jews even served in the Confederate Government, so they've been here since your family was breaking glass in Berlin.

Actually Americans are fooled everyday. Watch the news....it is no longer truthful information. It is biased crap with a spash of propaganda (and there is no little umbrella thingy either). People fall for it every day all the time. Israel is going to get us to fight another one of their wars...unfortunately, this time might be WWIII!

Jeff, I'm part American Indian, you Newtonian half wit. LOL

This is what Obama has been pushing for. He wants us all fighting amoungst ourselves so he can proclaim martial law and take all our rights from us.

Well JEFF- alot of them came over in the 20's to the New York harbor, changing their names and lying about their heritage to the registars offices. Why, poor freaks didn't want people to know who they really were. Americans didn't want jews here then, what makes you think the average person whats them here now.

Well dolts if you don't know enough about history that names for Poles, Italians, Greeks etc. were also changed because Americans really know very little about other places, then your fixation with Jews indicates to me you have issues. Personally I think all religions are stupid, but except for certain sects of Islam and some fringe Christian groups no one on earth appears to be as mean spirited and bigoted than those who denigrate religion. I don't consider you the average person, a decent person etc.. If you could set forth your views you would do so, but instead you smear. Of course imbeciles like TFNJ pull out that tired canard of being part Indian. Right out of the scumbag Democrat Elizabeth Warren's how to cheat and lie playbook. So being part American Indian makes it ok to be a Jew hater Adolph?

Hey, Nazi... I'm Jewish. I came to the US in 20th century, and I never hide who I am. But I also show respect to everyone regardless of who he/she is. That is until he/she offends me in any way. Skinheads and Jew-hater like you - I just ignore them. You know why? Because you are nothing but a piece of crap that shouldn't even live, let alone allowed to have access to the Internet. If you took your time to learn just a bit of the World and Jewish history, instead of spewing your hate all over the web, you might have discovered a thing or two. Like, for example, the fact that Jews invented computer chips, that allows you to use a computer. Not sure how you mastered that with your IQ of 2. Oh well, I guess I won't be able to make you love Jews. Jesus was one too....

Well JEFF- alot of them came over in the 20's to the New York harbor, changing their names and lying about their heritage to the registars offices. Why, poor freaks didn't want people to know who they really were. Americans didn't want jews here then, what makes you think the average person whats them here now.

Actually seewhatimean you are wrong. My Great Grandfather came from Lithuania when he was 17 years old by himself, his last name was Stankovich, people here could not understand his thick accent so he changed it to Stander. Oh he became an American citizen and everyone in his house had to speak English. He believed if you were going to live here you needed to learn the language. My Great Grandparents on my dad's side came from Germany, they fled Germany to get away from Hitler.

My family also, too, as well. In fact, everyone I know of, my own relatives and others, who changed their names, did it simply because the Americans already here had trouble with the pronounciation.

Already done - did you not read the article?

"A Manhattan federal court judge ruled in July that the MTA violated the First Amendment rights of the ad's sponsor, The American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), and must let the ad appear, NBCNewYork.com reported."

The court has ruled.

It is called political speech. Don't have to like it, do have to accept the court's ruling. I don't think idiots should be protesting at the scene of fallen soldiers' funerals. It pisses me off no end. But, it is their Constitutionally guaranteed right to do so - and I am thankful for that.

It is sometimes challenging living in a free society, isn't it?

I remember a day when your post may have been seen as paranoid. Now.... a possible reality.

TFNJ,

Who cares if we do see them protest. We live in a free society and enjoy free speech. If the Muslim community decides to come and protest free speech in our country, I would bet its not going to go well for them. If they do protest, it will confirm many peoples assertions that this group cares nothing about the USA our rule of law or the basis in which this country was founded.

Come? I have eye opening news for you, my clearly mid-western friend. We have huge Muslim communities in NY, and many other states. These things are usually handled better than the "Jed with a shotgun" approach. Foresight should have told the judge that the other side will want to request their own freedom of speech, and we will be cause in the middle of stupidity. It should never have started.

As long as they're civilized protests intended to undermine stereotypes instead of validate them, but I don't really see "jihad" as a justifiable cause, so they should emphasize tolerance for American muslims and not be critical of the poster.

TFNJ,

Funny, I lived in NYC too for many years and my name isn't Jed!

No, because their protest will come with bombing and killing of more Americans. This is the only way they seem to be able to protest. We need to close our borders from these radicals, get our people out of those countries and let them destroy each other. Our President doesn't see it that way. His foot is in the door - holding it open, pushing us into more ill guided performances that are pushing us further and further towards war.

Hmmmm... TFNJ huh? Guessing TFNJ=Tush F*cked Nut Job... C'mon now, you know I'm right! You have to be as queer as a three dollar bill and crazy as a loon!

TFNJ -

That is twice you have indicated that the Moslems will want their free speech/own ads. You've almost got it. If those people want to protest peacefully with signs and chants, or place their own ads, you will see America working as it is intended.

Are you saying that something other will happen to those "cause" in the middle?

MPA, you can obviously see I meant to write caught. But my point is this solves nothing, will create even more anti Jew sentiment, creates more anger instead of creating peace, and most of all we have much more to worry about than who is protesting or spreading hatred, or worse.

Do we not have better things to do?

Something tells me that "someone" is working to purposely make that happen. Perhaps to drag the US into conflict.

I totally agree, yet others who can't see this as a possibility are hell bent on defending the taunting, mocking and ridiculing of Islam that we see going on now as "free speech". It is, but of the worst kind, a "free speech" which could lead to even more innocent lives being lost. Tact and restraint when criticizing Islam - especially now - doesn't equal capitulation to fanaticism, it equals maturity tied to concern for others. Throwing grease on a grease fire is what's insane, as that fire cloud engulf all of us.

Some above seem to be taking this same point of view as being anti jew, or pro Muslim. They don't see the big picture.

The jews are provoking other countries that would normally blow them off the map, but Is(not)rael knows they we are wrapped around their cock and will do whatever without questions. Lock and load b!tche$

I'm thinking about buying a new digital movie camera. I think I know some people that would vounteer to star in a great little movie I have an idea for.

Agree!

You have the right to hang that sign up. LOL

when I read the headline thats what I expected the sign to say LOL

Well it kinda does. But its written in the same way I insult someone back here. Instead of just typing angrily, I round about insinuate they are less than important and intelligent. LOL

The government needs to spend more money on cruize missiles and drones and less on the BATFE. What a bunch of morons.