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Shooting suspect James Holmes, in an undated photo released Sept. 20 by the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office. Holmes has been shorn of the dyed-red hair he had when first arrested.
Prosecutors in the case against James Holmes gave up their pursuit of the notebook Holmes mailed to his psychiatrist before the July 20 theater massacre in which 12 were killed and at least 58 were wounded, the Denver Post reported Thursday.
In a hearing at the Arapahoe County Courthouse on Thursday morning, prosecutors said they weren't going to pursue the notebook now because the debate could delay proceedings for months and they were likely to gain access to it as the case goes forward.
"There's a high degree of likelihood that whatever privilege exists in the notebook will end up being waived by the defendant" should Holmes' lawyers pursue an insanity defense, prosecutor Rich Orman said during hearing on the issue, Reuters reported.
The notebook purportedly contains descriptions and drawings of a violent attack.
Holmes, a former neuroscience graduate student at the University of Colorado, is accused of opening fire on the audience at a midnight showing of the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20 in Aurora, Colo. He is also accused of wiring his apartment with an elaborate system of explosives and tripwires, with apparent intent to kill first responders and other residents in the building.
Appearing in court on Thursday, Holmes' head had been shaved of the garishly colored red hair he had in previous court appearances, the Post reported.
In earlier proceedings, Arapahoe County District Judge William B. Sylvester denied prosecutors access to the notebook, ruling that they could not disprove a doctor-patient relationship between Holmes and Lynne Fenton, a psychiatrist at University of Colorado. Sylvester had scheduled Thursday's hearing to take up the issue again.
Court documents related to James Holmes' case
Attorneys for Holmes argue that their client is mentally ill and was seeking Fenton's help. At the last hearing, the judge rejected prosecutor arguments that a privileged doctor-patient relationship ended June 11, the last time Fenton saw Holmes.
Holmes has been charged with 142 counts, including murder and attempted murder.
Prosecutors are seeking to charge Holmes with 10 more counts, the Denver Port reported, citing a motion filed earlier this week.
They also filed a motion to amend 17 counts against Holmes, the Post reported. Details were not released because a gag order is in place.
In related news, the memorial that sprang up outside the Aurora theater after the bloodshed was disassembled Thursday, the Denver Post reported. The city said it had consulted with families of the victims and that a local museum would be archiving items from the display, the report said.
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Though I like to dispense with all the legal stuff and just execute him, I am also glad for the due process accorded to him.
What's wrong with a little pain on him first?
Really Kansas and Hadenuff? Yeah sure, it was def an inside job because the federal government wanted to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on all of the aftermath. Please.... Get a grip on reality. Your view of it is twisted.
Oh don't worry. Thanks to Obama and congress due process will exist for another 5 years, maybe ten if we are lucky. Hooray for the NDAA of 2012.
there is enough evidence to convict him 50 times over; the jury will not buy the insanity argument; however at the penalty trial, there is enough evidence to find severe mental impairment; it will only spare him the death penalty, he will die in prison, never having any chance for release.
Yu sound like yur the Pros-- - - ecuetor or a wannabee one, graspinggggg fer straws too tho. YU have NO idea what some nit-witted judggezz are going to do or let him off with.
Due process should also be accorded his psychiatrist as well. Psychiatrist should be tried seperately for negligence. I would love to see all the vics families go after the shrink with a wrongful death suit, no matter what the outcome of Holmes' trial is.
will he re-dye his hair before trial...and do a special laugh...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXSvsEGlf84
Perhaps we are going about this the wrong way. We are so interested in protecting the rights of murderers, child molesters, rapists, etc. that our Judicial System has become the laughing stock of the world. Why not put a moratorium on prosecuting; we would save hugh sums of money, clear the back log in the courts and stop wasting our time trying to prove guilt beyond a shadow of doubt. Our streets would be filled with the same criminals that are subjected to trial, only they would not be inconvenienced by the lengthy waiting period before actually going to trial.
Can we really call someone that murders 12 people and wounds 58 others sane? Of course he's going to be considered insane. It doesn't take away the fact that he killed innocent people. The court system still has to go through the process of convicting Holmes, whether we know he did it or not. The prosecution needs to prove that he consciously made the decision to commit murder.
a jury of 12 of his peers ...would be 12 crazy people...that's just crazy enough to execute his ass...
What don't come out in the wash(beginning), will surely come out in the rinse and spin dry(end). In other words, even if he gets off with being sentenced to the criminally insane institution, he will still be so stressed out and guilt ridden for the rest of his natural days on earth that he'll probable take his own life. There will be no PEACE for him or anyone that don't have respect for HUMAN LIFE!!!
Fill him with food. Drive him back to the movie complex where he murdered so many innocents. Place him into a coffin. Nail coffin shut. Bury in Potter's grave outside of Denver. End of story.
Mark-1733940
Made the decision and knew it was wrong.
save tax payers money you know he is guilty just exicute him.insted the judge wants more money and wants to see greaving famly members suffer more,he is guilty hang him shoot him inject him with insuline drownd him beat him to death i dont care kill his pitifulla--,he new what he was doing he got what he wanted his name on the news now just kill the sick fu--
Holmes is an innocent patsy... do the research. Don't buy the MSM lies.
<sigh>. Right. Right. And 9/11 was an inside job, Obama's a secret Nigerian Socialist Nazi illegal alien, and Elvis is still alive.
I think Obama's a citizen... but 9/11 was most definitely an inside job.
Anybody with an ounce of intelligence knows it was inside job. That's why Barzini is dead. So is Phillip Tattaglia, Moe Greene, Stracci and Cuneo.
Alcoa called. Your hat is ready.
...but what about Elvis...?
I know you waited for this Kansas city guy, so here it is, you are frickn idiot! Its insensitive morons like you that bring down our society.
So we are going to kill a mentally ill person, even though he should be protected by the Constitution. What does that say about our society? My personal opinion is that we aren't quite the evolved society that we are lead to believe. We just have better toys, than ye ol times.
well, whether he's insane or not, doesn't make a difference, he killed 12 people for f*ck' sake, why would he be treated differently just because he's crazy? he's still a menace to society, and locking 'im up is a waste of tax money: literally, off with his head (euphemisms not needed)
If he's found to be insane, he won't be executed, but they have to investigate to determine his sanity - we can't just take his word for it.
its costs more to execute him than to keep him alive in jail. If it was as simple as just kill him already, i'd be on board but it's a whole lot more work since execution has to be the final ruling.
I'm all for due process, and given our legal systems, it does cost more to execute someone than incarcerate them. But yeah, if you kill 12 people, I don't care what your personal circumstances are, you're obviously a threat to the survival of those around you, and you may now leave the island. Can't we come up with some kind of bypass situation for the 80 years of tax-base-sucking appeals. Like, say in cases where at least 3 people are dead, 30 people saw you commit the murders, all are willing to testify to it, and 3 judges all agree they aren't just colluding against you? Voila! Don't pass "go-appeal," go straight to death row! Sure, it's not perfect, but I suspect slightly better/fairer/legit outcomes than the existing system.
Not only is Elvis alive but he has clones running around everywhere, he is multiplying every day. Monica is running out of money, so expect a story there, there is going to be a aluminum foil shortage in connection to the election.Holmes deserves a speedy trial and a swift execution, crazy has nothing to do with it, of course hes crazy look what he did now execute him.
@trust.. You should do a little research about how criminals were handled way back when and you will find there was no lethal injection, it was hanging most generally the hangings were done publicly, there was no sitting in jail for 20 yrs running on appeal after appeal waiting to be executed, the average condemned prisoner was only held about 2-3 months and that was it!!!! go back to your history books!!! There was also none of these stupid anti death penalty groups around back then and the judicial system actually cared more about the rights of the victims of the crimes than the criminals who committed them!!!
I dont like most of the way China is run but in this case they take the cake. Is he guilty? Yes? One bullet to the head done. No tax dollars wasted.
Elvis is dead. If he were alive, he would have appeared at Lisa Marie's wedding .... with a shotgun.
Q. What would Elvis be doing if he were alive today?
A. Scratching like hell, trying to get out of that coffin.
Yes, I agree unfortunately he is apparently actually nuts, and we can probably trust that, since he is not a police officer or other politician getting Royal treatment, but for those who are so quick, just hopefully you have had no children that came out this way due to illness or lack of part of the brain, or is under prescribed drugs etc--that is why we do not actually hang people any more except Saddam, and he only killed the same amount of people like George Bush, and had nothing to do with 911----so we can go on and on--so who is next--
in EU we no longer kill people, that includes like here daily police killings by shooting!
Anyone with more than an ounce of intelligence knows that 911 was not an inside job.
1 ounce same as the 1 percent.
The real conspiracy to be investigated is why haven't the Chiefs won a superbowl since 1969?
QUOTE: "One bullet to the head"
Actually the Chinese use swords in order to behead the condemned individual... The Russians use "one bullet to the head."
I believe mentally ill criminals should be humanly put down (lethal injection) sane criminals should be hung in cases that the death penalty is the outcome.
Hey Kansas City Guy, Do us a favor and hold his hand while he is in the electric chair, just making sure he is "OK"
You really just need a teaspoon of intelligence to see that James Holmes was either set up, or working with them the whole time. I mean 2 gas masks? cmon guys, use your head. Professional bombs?? Conveniently nurses dying a week or so after the indecent in drowning accidents? I mean why cant you just put 2 and 2 together.
derrrrr... two and two...at would be...don't tell me...ohhh...
Kansas City Guy...you are correct,,,,this case stinks of an inside job....the people that post and diss you are just idiots who need to be told how to think and are incapable of any critical thinking...small minds find it easier to believe the MSM than to think for themselves...
For starters. The aerial footage of the crime scene show absolutley no blood, blood trails, blood stains, bloody footprints whatsoever.....so how did 50 some victims with gunshot wounds exit the theater at not leave a drop of blood. The rear of the theater shows only one blood trail leading into the theater not out of it.
There is not one eye witness That can or has identified James Holmes as the shooter, there is not one eye witness that can even place James Holmes in the theater( you know the guy with bright orange hair).....
The police audio recordings talk of multiple gunshot victims being taken to the back of theatre 9.. however there is no forensic evidenc that supports this.....again....only one blood trail leading into the theatre.
There is only one cell phone video....that shows the police calmly escorting a large black man with blood on his shirt out of the theatre.....leaving all the moviegoers to remain at the entrance...while supposedly there is a man shooting up the theatre with an AR 15 inside...I say No Way....why just one cell phone video?
There is not new footage from the inside of the theater, there is no cell phone video from inside the theater, there is not CCTV camera footage from inside, outside or even dashcam video of Holmes being arrested.
Most of the victims and witnesses have turned out to be actors. There is not one employee witness that was working that night...not one usher, cashier, manager, concession worker etc...not one..
There is an abundance of evidence that clearly shows James Holmes did not do this....but that the event was staged entirely
People...do you own research....turn of the TV....
Of course he's insane, what he did was not the act of a sane person. However, the detail in which he planed the act shows he knew exactly what he was doing and the dog and pony show he's putting on in the courtroom confirms it. That has always been the criteria for someone standing trial, did they understand what they were doing. He understands all too well.
"Elvis is not dead, he just went home." Agent "K" Men in Black.
After finally breaking down and seeing this film, I fully understand. His actions, however psychotic, are vastly more interesting than that movie could have ever been.
What a stupid, idiotic attempt at a joke...
this probably isn't the time or place for a batman discussion but the last movie was by far the worst batman movie ever produced.
Right decision ...
Prosecutors should have never intercepted the notebook before the Holmes psychiatrist received it and read the contents .... they created their own bag of worms ... it is privileged ... and may never be introduced because of the states act ..
The wheels of justice do turn slow.But at least we can be assured he will not get out of prison based on the number of charges against him. Everytime I see a picture of him, it looks like he is mentally a universe away. It took much planning to do what he did.This wasn't the actions of someone being impulsive by any means as his notebook will show I believe. He is owned by Evil now and there is no escape from that master.
Cupia: You're just jealous, because I came up with it before you.
The rest: Doctor/Patient Confidentiality must be maintained. The day this is stripped from us it's a straight down, one-way trip for privacy once and for all. Likewise, 'sacred silence', sometimes known as 'silence of the confessional' must be preserved, at least until a means to subpoena the divine is devised.
Not guilty by reason of insanity.
says the guy with the children of the corn demon pic
The problem with innocence by insanity is this: ask yourself this question, would any sane, rational person kill someone in any circumstance other than self defense? So based on that logic, every killer in our society is innocent by reason of insanity.
I say he is insane AND he should be executed for his actions.
They don't need the notebook. He was caught red handed. The notebook is just icing on the cake for some one who's going to write a book, or make a movie or some sorted TV flick.
Unless we start giving these murders the chair, it goes on and on.
In this guy's case, one year to appeal, then execute him in the most horrible fashion, and put this on reality TV instead of those stupid Hollywood movies or shows glorifying violence and street punks rather than true American courage and values...but then it would take a Hollywood full of morality and patriotism which we do not have.
To Old Salt:
I agree with everything you posted up to the word values. Your comment after the word values, is where you go too far to the right!
To Old Salt:
If capital punishement decreases the murder rate, then why does the US have one of the higest murder rates and has capital punishment penalties, but other western industrialized nations that do not have capital punishment have lower murder rates?
Something does not compute.
Why does Holmes always look like he is drugged to the max, he sits there staring blankly at nothing, as though he is in a state of shock is that part of his game?
To Mike, please inform me of these western industrialized countries you speak of that do not have the death penalty. Last time I checked you were stoned in pakistan, shot in china, hung in greece.... am i missing something?
CokaCola do you need a geography lesson? Pakistan is not western nor is China. But hey you got to 33.3% with Greece. Canada is one Western industrialized Nation with no death penalty. Hell even Mexico does not have it.
ohhhhhh cokacola you just got served!!!!!
Mike
Without capital punishment the murder rate would triple.
"If capital punishement decreases the murder rate, then why does the US have one of the higest murder rates" probably because it takes so long to excute they are on death row forever. Plus there aren't a lot of countries that have the static takers that we have. We have a lot of missing persons too but the we have networks too that work with the polictic. Have you checked out the legal systems in Mexico, columbia, africa? And have you weighed the number of death by the population duh
We here in Canada do not have the death penalty anymore. It was abolished many years ago because we found there were too many people who were convicted that were actually not guilty and we no longer wanted to chance putting innocent people to death. That was before DNA. We average about 200 deaths a year due to gun violence. But we also have very strict gun control here. Rarely does a person have a concealed weapon on their person - usually that pertains to the gangs.
I used to be dead set against the death penalty because of what I said above but after years of seeing what removing the death penalty here has done I am sitting on the fence with it. We dropped it for the public first but left it there for shootings of RCMP and police. Then we removed it from them too and sometimes now I dont feel there is any deterent for people who are gun happy and want to kill people - especially cops. It has definitely raised the rate of cops being shot since then because they only face life in prison and sometimes you can be out here in 7 years for that. But I also believe that a lethal injection is the easy way out. I think locking them away for the rest of their lives in that small cell is far more torture than putting them to sleep. Just my opinion.
just shoot the SOB ..
Honestly I sit on the fence with it as well. I cant figure why a child molester. Gets a small Prison term. Compared to two people wanting to kill each other (mutual combat situation). Say two guys from rival Biker Clubs want to have a knife fight. And one dies. He gets life and the molester gets what a few years?
The person would have to be a serial killer or so cold. They are beyond redemption. Then well yeah maybe the death penalty. Like the Scott Peterson case out here. The guy killed his pregnant wife and should be put to death. Or at least take away the Protective custody. And let the inmates work it all out.
Lol thank you Joey, serves me right for not reading what I wrote before i hit send. :)
Sorry Cokacola no harm intended.
sorrey folks talk all u want about crime rates in other areas welcome to the usa where they use violent tacticks on none vilent crimes,none violent crimenals get longer sentinces than they just let child molesters walk the streets whats wrong with our system a bunch of brain washed sympathetic "key word pathetic"judges and cops who think they are above the law watch a cop pull a care over for pulling away from the curb without his/her signal then watch the cop do the same when there dun follow the cop watch him turn his emergency lights on just to go through a red light.damn bypoler system
The whole patsy thing vs. shooting him in the street for his crimes is beyond dumb although I do understand the sentiment we don't want to recognize the bad in ourselves that contribute to tragedies like these. We currently live in a culture where everyone always has to be right and we never get anywhere with arguments. The thing is, this now, is not about you and your reasoning for why a horrific and senseless crime like this is committed or his victims anymore... I know that's sounds insensitive but it's about James Holmes and if you just let him talk he'll tell you why he did it but no one will be satisfied with that either because it'll still not be a good enough answer because this culture can't take themselves out of the equation and understand the bigger picture. James Holmes didn't have to be like this and it wasn't always about him until he was ignored and went on a downward spiral of dark thoughts and became a statistic of the negative effects of untreated or improperly treated and neglected mental illness. He shot people because he's ill but he isn't innocent and neither are you.
To Mary Lynn Rich:
First of all, I am not a conservative nor a liberal, but an American who is tired of poor innocent people being killed for no other reason, then they just happened to be there. With your thinking, you probably would let the animals that planned the 9/11 attack go because they were ill!!!
Finally, Mary Lynn Rich, why don't you have a comfortable seat, relax, and STFU!
Actually, I wouldn't I would call the police and report a potential threat which was clearly what this guy was. I love how just because I don't agree with all this patsy nonsense and shooting him in the street I am told to STFU.. I am beyond obnoxious in believing mental illness is a community issue and just because you're tired that American people are dying (god forbid) doesn't mean it won't ever stop. This cycle has progressed into something worse and it keeps happening and although rare, people with mental illnesses are stigmatized into this category where they'll shoot up a theater. How about you open your mind and think of the obvious? He's mentally ill and people chalked that up to his norm so he thought that about himself and eventually it all built up and turned into this. Simple as that.. no patsy. Thanks for putting words in my mouth like all politically charged people do but this event has nothing to do with you or me... it had everything to do with the community he lived in that didn't provide him with the proper response.
and don't get that confused with I don't think he should be held accountable. He should and it should be in jail. BUT the rest of his community should fess up to the negligence as well. Thanks... just wanted to clarify.
we need a whistleblower hotline where each claim is taken seriously and investigated by the FBI. No more targeting groups (ie all muslims, all mexicans, etc) because that's clearly not working and "normal citizens" are slipping through the cracks and hurting people. How about everyone is treated as if they are not a terrorist until someone calls them out on something suspicious?
@ Mary Lynn: At what point do you think any of these victims had time to call the police??? When 12 were already laying dead all over the movie theatre?? I can't stand anti death penalty people!!
Matthewsmommy - no one is blaming the victims. The psychologist at his school should have called the police before it happened and his classmates should have said something when they saw all the packages he was receiving and realized how creepy he was. Focus on prevention before 12 people are killed, not punishment after the fact.
first of all he can receive as many packages as he wants this is a free society, next most people have been trained to MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS. So just how is society responsible for this nut bag?! His parents should be the responsible one's THEY raised him not society it was never societies job to raise him and teach him. Last I heard the professor DID contact people and they chose to not get involved.
He shouldn't be held accountable?? WTF?!? He was seen shooting up the place he's as accountable as I am writing this rant. Let's have him move in with you Mary Lynn then YOU can be responsible for him!!!!!!!! You should be put in a padded cell right next to the nut job.!!!
Sounds like you know him personally, Mary Lynn. Then you should've helped the poor soul.
Give him a trial. After he's found guilty, as he walks into the parking lot of the courthouse, shoot him. Quick, painless. No $$ spent on even a prison suit.
And he'll never wig out again & kill more people.
Why should the victims families tax money go towards keeping him alive in jail or looney bin? He'll never be on the streets again, so just eliminate him.
Thanks Mindy.. and I can't stand pro death people. What do you think happens when you kill people after they kill people? more death and people never learn. Maybe James Holmes wants to die. I don't know, but I think his school should be held accountable. The word innocence is a strong word my friend.. and sometimes you just have to end the cycle. He has a mental illness. Look at his picture.. he has no grasp on reality and when he does.. that will kill him. I did say he should be held accountable but you guys are blood thirsty and put words in people's mouths. I say this because I have a mental illness and I was arrested for "terroristic threats" at my college because I was bullied throughout highschool and I didn't know how to handle it. Basically I was screaming out for help and someone was smart enough to turn me in and I got help. Now I work a full time job that pertains to my two college degrees. I feel bad for this kid but not bad enough to set him free because I have bipolar disorder but I digress this isn't about me. This is about James Holmes and the community of people he affected through his own neglect as well as his community. But until people realize mental illness is a community issue like they did with me this crap will continue to happen. Also, it's way more expensive to kill him just so you know. The death penalty costs way more than your tax dollars but I will say your tax dollars do pay for a lot of the James Holmes's of the world because mental institutions are being shut down and the value of medical care for the mentally ill is going down so they lash out and BOOM they're in jail. For me, personally jail was a great wake-up call. I don't have a criminal record anymore and I think GOD someone turned me in or I'd have to spend time in jail for beating the crap out of someone who "didn't deserve it" in the first place and I have a chance at a normal life. But I digress once again, this isn't about me or you.. it's about James Holmes and what he was trying to say in a crazy way. I'm all set, thanks. I've spent a good 24 hours in jail, stripped searched looking for bombs in my butt.. saw a fight, had panic attacks was told I am a F*** B*** by the police, had another panic attack, wore a dirty orange jump suit, etc.. I'm good on my jail time thanks for the offer though but I'm sorry I could probably get more of a rational answer from Holmes than any journalist or any of you haters because I don't think with hate and two wrongs never make a right . It did all the wonders in the world for me to wake up and stop being an idiot. But clearly you only see with a biased and can't take yourself out of the equation like a few people I've seen on this post. I also had a friend shot that night.. his name is Luke and even after the initial rage I felt for this person in ruining my friends life for a while I still feel the same way because I was almost there 8 years ago. But I digress yet again. This thread is now below me because I am being insulted for my opinion... we live in America after all and I haven't told any of yall you should be shoot or should spend some time in jail. Thanks..
and I wish I could edit this last post but I am too busy, I just wanted to reply that I am above this now and a lot of those posts with the exception of Mindy and maybe one or two others are actually literate, thought out, compassionate great answers. Thanks to those for helping regain my faith in humanity even though this is a dumb internet thread.
The guy was seen doing it. He admitted to doing it. Nobody needs the friggin' notebook! Colorado, get yourself some new prosecutors!
Rick,
You're right.
why is this guy still breathing
Kansas City Guy.......Are you on crack? You are a moron! Go back to your hole in the ground.
Professing themselves to be wise they became fools
This jackwagon IS GUILTY of murder...premeditated. Period.
He will dye of old age in a plush cell while lawyers get rich debating his mental state. He has them all fooled...the red hair was a ploy to get the debate going.
Fair is fair but how about the twelve dead and the injured...where is their fair?
So he's crazy,put him out of OUR misery.
msn you just love showing that picture of him and his carrot top head. fry this a$$ and get it over with and stop showing that stupid pix. It is all for show and ratings for msn
Did anyone ever discover why there was two reported gas-mask used by the perp? One in pictures laying in the parking lot 50 yds. from the car, where Holm's was setting and reported by police. As still wearing a "gas mask"?
Can somebody please just off this guy in jail. He doesn't deserve to waste anymore oxygen, food, water or space in this world.
This guy will be convicted. He will not be executed. He will never see his feet on the street again. You have to be absolutely nuts to do something like this. People are tired of insanity pleas or defenses. Get this to a jury..and out of a judges hands.
...Will this dirtbag still be able to vote for Obama again if he's not convicted by November?
Actually He can vote unless he is Convicted before voting day. Or declared mentally incompetent. Even while he is in jail. But he would vote for Romney for sure. He seems like a Cult follower to me. Like Romney. With that blank robot stare at times.
LMAO!!!! Yep!! well said...
They witnessed someone in full gear heavily armed shooting multiple weapons. All this gear and ammo is heavy and hard to manage. Yet when they arrested dude he was sitting in his car calm and out of all his gear. Things that make you go hmmmm...
I'm guessing you're referencing that conspiracy theory that he was actually an occupier and being set up for this. If that is so, you are very wrong. Look closely at the two pictures. They are definitely the same person. One photo was just taken from further away and minus the red hair. VOILA.
Here we go again..... I mean our society. We gotta figure out what made him tick. The whys and wherefors, and the legal system lawyering up to an insanity plea. Anyone who would commit this type of crime is insane as a "normal" person wouldn't lash out at random society. Give him his speedy trail, if he was the person responsible- EXECUTE-him, and about a million more criminals when caught for the 3rd; 4th; 5th time for high end crimes. We need to unload the jails and their sapping of government money. Send poor people back to their country of origin if they are unwilling to work for their own upkeep. The 47% that Romney talks about are a real part of our problem in this country, along with the greedy upper crust continuing to sap the middle class of living in a little comfort. High gas, high TV/Cable, High electricity; high car insurance; high home owner insurance; Federal/State and Local taxes (triple dipped there); high Bank fees- no Bank interrest; little to no return on stocks/bonds in last 5 years. All so big business can grab your money and give it to a future President to keep the status quo.
Once again the psychiatric industry shows their true hand. What reason does this psych industry drone have for clinging to the murderers notebook? He'll somehow be proven innocent and she doesn't want a lose a good insurance industry paying customer? She has some misguided logic this will somehow ruin the psych industries patient/client relationships? I think the normal misguided person seeking a psych for help can somehow differentiate between their random ramblings to their psych being confidential as opposed to a mass murderer mailing his ambush and shoot them up plans to one.
Justvisiting - There are confidentiality laws in place to protect ALL citizens privacy, for instance when you drove your spouse halfway insane by running your mouth in a nonstop rant. when your spouse had nowhere else to turn but a psychiatric Doctor, to aid with moral support during the divorce proceedings. those same confidentiality laws are what kept your lawyer from getting at your spouse's psych Records, and being used for nefarious purposes...
its just an example, don't get your panties in a bunch.
That's just wrong !! there should be no fight !! This man killed Innocent people WTF this world is *ucked up. Once proved guilty FRY this bastar* We do not need another nut in prison for the next 50 years sucking the $$$$out of all of our taxes !! He will probably want a free sex change next ????
Bob Cotton - i read what you wrote, and i feel what you are saying... this guy needs to take that short drop till the noose tightens... there is no doubt in my mind that he has that much coming, crazy or not...
but the problem is that whoever we allow in our government, to bypass "Due Process" or any of our current laws for "Extreme" cases such as this one, will end up being the same people who decide to start making arbitrary decisions is lesser cases. we can NEVER give that kind of power to anyone, because it is a power that will end up being perverted by Greed or lust for power etc..... it is a shame, but what option ?
but i admit there IS a part of me that begs for an Exception to be made...
I am of the opinion he is not insane. With all the planning and execusion of that plan he shows he is capable of calculation. He covered his bases. Him saying he was the Joker is simply a way for him to get away with murder. the perfect crime if you will. He continues to play the part of his movie idol the Joker. He may he insinsitive to the pain he caused but far from insane IMO.
Doesn't that prove even more that he is insane? Sane people don't plan an attack at a theater and kill 12 people thinking they are one the characters in the movie. Sane people don't harm anyone purposely without a motive. You know why they haven't found a motive? Because he is crazy and doesn't have one. The fact that people think a sane person could do something like this really scares me!
Sociopaths are not insane they just lack emotion. They can clearly define right from wrong. But they just do not care. Most sociopaths do well in our society. They become leaders in their areas of choice. Its been studied. The court needs to determine if he is a sociopath. Or insane. Its a fine line.
Its not due to a lack of knowing reality with a sociopath its a lack of emotion. This guy was very very smart. Yet he did unravel maybe he is insane or maybe he is in-sanity. Meaning hiding his sanity for a good defense. Either way he will not get out. Unless he escapes.
Insane is not the same thing as stupid. Many mentally disturbed people are very capable of detailed planning. They are more focused.
Seems to me if the prosecution gets to put it out to the jury, there are obvious reasons for the notebook not being released! Intentional, ummmm yes!!!!!
scream for james holmes' blood as loudly as you want if it makes you feel better
but the fact is, there will be many many more james holmes to come, because we've created a society in which children spend more time absorbed in synthetic representations of reality than they do in the real thing. hour and hours each day spent staring at screens. television, films, the internet, highly immersive video games... all of these have culminated in a dissociative, depersonalization effect by which we can no longer tell the difference between fantasy and reality
one look at james holmes and it's obvious that he's living in an unreal, dissociated fantasy world
"why am i here?" -james holmes
It seems to me Holmes has MPD.
i think he has Media Induced Dissociative Disorder ...which i may have coined just now
the kid walked into a theater in a costume with his hair dyed to look like the joker, for crying out loud! how could anyone fail to see what's going on here?
james holmes spent his life immersed in the violent fantasy world of american media and he lost his grip on reality
That's no excuse. not every kid who plays violent video games or watches gorey movies walks into a theater dressed in a costume and kills 12 people. If that were the case then there would be a lot more incidents like this one. He has multiple 'symptoms' of a paranoid schizophrenic and happens to be the age that the onset of this disease is most common.
there are a lot more incidents like this one! what about v tech? columbine? jared lee loughner? the list goes on and on
i'm not claiming that every kid who plays violent video games or watches gorey movies walks into a theater dressed in a costume and kills 12 people, but a percentage of them do. james holmes did