New Australia: the lunar correctional facility that gives you peace of mind.™

besides, nobody could be so dumb as to "tunnel out" on the moon?

wanna bet?....................................:)

First, the cost would be our national debt x 10 to do that. Second, this the common thought about dealing with people who have committed crimes, out of sight, out of mind which solves nothing. Prison systems today aren't about "corrections", as they would like to name themselves, its about taking a wild animal placing them in a cage for as long as possible and somehow expecting them to be less of a wild animal once released....yeah, that makes all the sense in the world.

Mmm let's see... we give them free medical care, housing, meals, cable TV... opportunities for education etc. Hmmm. Does anyone have issue with this or is just me? I'm a democrat but.. these inmates DO NOT deserve a better life than elderly americans who have worked their whole life.

ItsAboutTime-3704531 Good point, illness shouldn't be addressed, they shouldn't have housing, or free food...and no TV to make sure they have no clue as to what is going on in the real world, they should be detacted in every sense...then after so many years released to into the world they threated them worse than the Nazis threated the Jews and others in WWII and see how well they do...

RwEvans -

Yes, good point. Let's ensure we treat law abiding citizens worse than those who make a choice to break the law. Im sure that giving inmates cable television and money for college tuition will ensure they are reintroduced into the world as outstanding citizens. I have no issue with inmates receiving basic services... However....

It costs $44,563 to incarcerate a prisoner for a year
in California — nearly the same price as a year at
Harvard University with room and board. Average US Cost is $28,817

Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/02/09/Runaway-Prison-Costs-Thrash-State-Budgets.aspx#EMY5D06SJIFZFTMA.99

I agree, the costs are out of control..But those budgets are based on the state laws, approved by Governors of each state and signed off on the people elected in those states...as for the rest of the story..try this http://www.prisonexp.org/

I am amazed at how it can cost more to house a prisoner for a year than some families have to get by in a year. There's just something wrong with that.

Arizona's fine PRIVATE PRISONS; check out the Top 10 lies we were told here in Arizona (Tucson resident here).

http://tucsoncitizen.com/cell-out-arizona/2011/08/22/top-10-lies-told-by-private-prison-corporations-at-the-arizona-hearings/

There were also 10 prison guards put on suspension this week for starting a fight (more like a mugging) outside a bar in Tucson...at least two guards got fired...hope they all are.

I seem to recall two or three other incidents in just the past week or two with our prisons...Maybe Sheriff Joe planned them to take the heat off of him. /s

I have no big issue about giving them basic things. However, if they fight, shank, or kill someone, shoot to kill. Also, bring back full blow death penalties for murders. I might also suggest to practice, literally, an eye for an eye.

poor sharkey scared of your own shadow. what a terrible way to lead your life, being scared all the time.

Itsabouttime, if you weren't so busy whining like a little girl, you could give off your fat lazy butt and start raising hell and start asking WHY does it cost so much to house a prisoner. I have seen the figures why it costs so much. Each prisoner cost comes to about $4,450. for the year. The other 90% go in the pockets of all those getting kickbacks, the warden, and those above him. Why do you think the Prison Industrial Complex continues to grow. Its a huge money making machine for the scabs raking in the money. And you are falling for their game with your incessant whining and never doing anything about it. If you really were that concerned, which I really doubt, you would stop whining like a little girl, and start a movement to bring down the costs. Make them prove where the money is going. Prisons in america remind me of the Pentagon overspending. The $1,200. hammer for example, in the Pentagon budget. Same with american prisons. Now you know why america imprisons more than the rest of the world, more than Russia, more than China, more than Africa. Get an education, and you would know these things, and stop whining like a little girl.

ItsAboutTime-3704531

Yes, good point. Let's ensure we treat law abiding citizens worse than those who make a choice to break the law. Im sure that giving inmates cable television and money for college tuition will ensure they are reintroduced into the world as outstanding citizens. I have no issue with inmates receiving basic services... However....

It costs $44,563 to incarcerate a prisoner for a year
in California — nearly the same price as a year at
Harvard University with room and board. Average US Cost is $28,817

Gee I don't know, maybe we could bring those costs down if we weren't throwing every Tom, Dick and Harry in prison. Seems to me the cages should be reserved for those who present a physical threat to society.

Lets see......a bunch of gangbangers, murderers, aryan brotherhood members, etc. all locked in a place together and this is a shock to some?

RW Evans,

So what is your solution? Give them more handouts to make it even more comfortable? You do know alot of the prisoners that get released end up commiting a crime so they can go back in because they had a better life on the inside. I think all tv's should be taken out of prisons. Make them read a newspaper if they want to know what is going on. If they dont have an education they should be required to get one or a skill so when they are released its not back to business as usual. Just some of my opinions.

Alex,
Spot on. Why do you think they are building prisons and packing them full? Its all about the cash. I watched a special on Russian prisons and it blew my mind. They dont F around over there. The prisoners are not allowed to sit and watch tv all day and hang out with their boys. They are up in the morning for exercise, then in their cells and they are not allowed to sleep and watch tv all day. And the guards dont mess around either, you get out of line and they put you back in. ITs prison, not a resort.

I laugh when people complain about the high costs of prisons and blame it on cable tv and food and shelter. First cable tv doesn't cost much. And if it keeps the prisoners minds occupied then it probably saves money. If the prisoners didn't have cable there would be more fights and behavior problems and more guards would be necessary to keep them in line. But the biggest problem with prison costs are that the government always pays too much for anything they buy. If prisoners are fed ham sandwiches for lunch. You can be sure the government is paying 3 times as much per pound for the ham as you would pay at you're local market. And it's like that for every thing they buy including the prison buildings themselves. Plus 60% of the cost of housing a prisoner isn't spend at the prison. It's administration costs which means it's mostly wasted on empty suits who's only skill is knowing someone who could get them a gravy job in a government office.

Alex...Please provide a source that confirms the "real" cost of housing prisoners at $4450 a year. If you can't do it then I suppose you owe itsabouttime an apology. I think it would also be reasonable for you to support your statement with a "verifiable" list of who is the recipient of the tremendous amount of kickbacks that you claim are responsible for the astronomical cost of housing prisoners.

I have no doubt that there is a measured amount of graft, corruption and criminal behavior involved in the prison system but I think what you are stating is absolutely ridiculous. But if it is just give it a minute of thought...our states often do not wish for the liability that comes with protecting low lives and opportunists and they have created a market for private companies to step in and do the difficult job of monitoring and even protecting the lowest of our society. Why wouldn't that come with a hefty price tag? Truly, who grows up looking forward to be their brothers keeper when that brother is a murderer, rapist, child molester, thief, liar, and all around waste of breath? They certainly aren't in it for the prestige.

Now if the cost of housing a criminal is actually $4450 a year then we could actually go back to the days where convicts were required to work to support their own needs, but wait there have been judges who claim this is an unusual punishment. Working in the fields, cleaning up the roadsides in that chain gang days of old, but wait we have liberal judges who say it is better for a prisoner to have and education instead of work. Perhaps they should be required to either work for tuition or have family members support the need for further education. What I find is absolutely absurd....many of the criminals incarcerated didn't take much heed of the free and fair public school education offered to them as a very large effort from the Public trust. Why should we offer criminals better opportunity than they have afforded themselves or that they afford their own children just because they have no where to go and nothing better to do.

C P C Sharkey :
With you comment #1 . Now that you have your mind on this . Could you possibly write a book and screenplay on this ? It would take a couple of years to go through the process . But there is a plot for a book and a movie in your comment .

Maybe we should think twice before sticking some kid caught with a $20 bag of weed in there!

@alex-3123851

Get off your fat, lazy butt texass mom and do the research yourself. I dare you, you lazy leech.

Sounds like you can't back up your claim. If you're too lazy to provide the source for your statement you hardly have the ground to call anyone else lazy because they don't want to search for it.

Oh and FYI, ranting and raving hardly adds to your "credibility". If you want people to take you seriously you should avoid coming off as a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.

Is anybody else surprised to have an article about Arizona and not have a Gifford plug in there somewhere?

Alex your estimate of it costing $4,450 a year per prisoner is nothing shy of laughable. How can you possibly say it costs only $12.19/day. Do you even realize the costs that go into it? The number might be right if you only take into account the food, clothing and small meaningless items. But you have to realize the guard to prisoner ratio, utilities, medical, and everything else that each prisoner is afforded. That stuff isn't free, we the taxpayers pay for all that as well. I think you have been watching way too much Shawshank Redemption.

Oh and I agree with Backcountry that you lose all credibility as a self-proclaimed do-gooder "while people like me work ourselves crazy to make the world a better place," and go on to rant and rave like a 3 year old who didn't get a candy bar in the grocery store. And it's also funny to me when someone pitching a tantrum while hiding behind a keyboard is calling out someone else hiding behind a keyboard. Hopefully recess is over soon and you can go away.

Alex...so instead of providing a source to your statement you will shout insults and false assumptions? So how "special" are you? Exactly how is it you believe me to fat, lazy or a leach? I am actually none of those things. Interestingly enough, you assert that itsabouttime and I have some sort of common goal. Quite the contrary itsabouttime and I are usually on different sides of an argument. This time we are in agreement, it can happen go figure.

As for your refusal to support your statement with fact...that is your error for making claims as if they were fact instead they are just your opinion. Of course you are welcome to your opinion but if you are going to represent it as fact instead of perspective you really should be prepared to defend the statement. If you can't then well you are just irrelevant in the conversation.

For those who felt a need to collapse Alex#1.19 there is really no need. Alex has no defense so he must offend to feel like he is someone. It is truly sad but even the least of Americans should have the opportunity to free speech....even if it only serves to expose their character or lack of.

Good question. But was it dubbed in Spanish also?

good ones sadie and x9...you may both have a cookie................:)

This always happens when they run out of Grey Poupon...

GodblessAmerica-1789597

This always happens when they run out of Grey Poupon...

or more likely....Taco sauce

sleepI...could be, if BOZOhussen was giving the report. More likely they just found out that the big guy from 'The Green Mile' really is dead and so is the mouse....and it is Bush's fault. Sheriff Joe does nOT put up with such crap!

These guys should be out working in chain gangs, then they'll be too tired to fight. Let them spend the day picking up trash by the side of the road or picking those crops instead of the illegals. Who knows, maybe they'll even develop a little bit of a work ethic as well.

Sounds like Rome. Good to see a great respect for human life and "civil" idea on how to deal with the throw away part of our society.

rw

society did not throw them away, they VOLUNTEERED to be there. if they had been civil and had respect for human life and thereby the laws of the civilised society of which you speak they wouldn't be there.

Action/ reaction solves nothing and to say they volunteered is to say they knowing wanted to go to prison. I say go to a prison and ask how many wanted to go to prison. If the prison systems are going to call themselves "Corrections" they need to start applying that concept.

RwEvans

I DO have respect for human life... unlike those in prison, which is often times why they are in prison.

And to be quite candid, our correction system has failed at rehabilitating, with very few exceptions, the vermin in their care. Is it the fault of the correction system? I will submit that it is not. They are given the opportunities to further their education and attempts at rejoining society as civil members. Unfortunately, the vast majority return to their previous behaviors almost immediately on release from prison and ultimately return to the "corrections" system, a term by the way which has only recently been used. It is more politically correct than PRISON.

So, I will submit that YES, they are volunteering for the system. They KNOW what is expected to stay out of the system, but they continue to exhibit and engage in the actions that they KNOW will send them to prison. They only hope that they are not CAUGHT engaging in those activities.

Please remove your rose colored glasses and see the real world in front of you. Inside or outside of prison they are still vermin plaguing society.

Rose colored glasses?...I was in prison for 14 years, i have a slight insight to this issue, maybe just a little more than you which leads me to see you are profoundly ignorant to the issues facing prison inmates and the system that holds and controls them.

RwEvans

Rose colored glasses?...I was in prison for 14 years, i have a slight insight to this issue, maybe just a little more than you which leads me to see you are profoundly ignorant to the issues facing prison inmates and the system that holds and controls them.

You should write a book. May I suggest for a title, "Our Nation's Prison System: Pros and Cons."

rw...If they wanted to be somewhere other than prison then why commit crime? They took a risk and lost because they felt empowered somehow to take lives, steal property, commit fraud, break drug laws, abuse others etc., sorry if anyone is getting illegal immigrants confused with my description of US citizens who don't know how to follow laws and live amongst the honorable.

You know what it takes to stay out of prison...respect for others. You know what is very sad in our Prison system...Prisoners do not have to work to pay for their own costs in prison. Parents, siblings or wives are not responsible to supply funds for tuition, additional benefits beyond basic needs. I would much prefer the funds for supplying an education to the criminal go to educating their children. I would much prefer the funding for extras go to assure that the children of criminals have a safe and loving place to go while their parent is in prison. With an opportunity to better than their parent(s). I would prefer that these children are given an opportunity to grow up in a safe community instead of handed off to a family member who would abuse and introduce these children to a dead end street.

So instead of the sympathy for the criminal why not elevate their children to a place in life that will serve them well to grow into adulthood instead of the dead end street their own parents thrust upon them?

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/gokids/gokids_articles_children_impacted.html

These children do not have to be thrown to the wolves...they can rise above to a life that is fulfilling and so much better than the legacy offered by their parent or parents.

RwEvans

you are profoundly ignorant

Quite the contrary. I DIDN'T spend 14 years of MY life in prison.

However, I HAVE spent time in prison on the side of the bars opposite yours. And what I saw was the continued ARROGANCE and complete disrespect for rules by those incarcerated. When the rules were followed, PRISONERS enjoyed a relatively serene life. Decent food, medical care, educational opportunities, no traditional concerns of law abiding citizens... you KNEW you didn't need to worry about getting evicted, or having your utilities turned off, getting fired or laid off because your employer closed.

Prison is actually pretty good compared to what many deal with today.

Had YOU not broken the law, you never would have endured the inside of a prison. I have no sympathy for you. YOU brought on yourself what you suffered.... no-one else.. just you.

ALL of that being said, IF you have in fact turned YOURSELF around and are no longer on the "wrong" side of the law, I applaud your decision and wish you well and a prosperous future. If not, and you go back in, all I can say is it sucks to be you.

RwEvans...

Why should we care what "issues" are facing prison inmates? Why should we have sympathy for those who WILLINGLY broke the law and landed them there? Holds and controls? Well...again, if you/others don't want to be in that environment...I suggest following the laws. Do I think you should suffer beatings, rapes, etc??? No I don't, but I also don't think you should be afforded more comforts than some folks on the outside (i.e. homeless families who WERE and ARE law abiding citizens but lost their jobs). Education, yes, trade school, yes...movies, cable, snacks, treats, work out rooms, marriage, conjugal visits...NO WAY! It's supposed to be a punishment...not a bad vacation in a small hotel room.

My cousin went to jail for attempted murder, got an education, plenty of food, a workout room...seen more movies, and had more activities than I can provide for my children...and guess what? When he got out and no one would help him...which I know many face, we took him in, gave him a job, and provided him a vehicle. You know what his response was to this? To begin drinking, doing drugs, and stealing from people who worked HARD for the things they had. He sold the truck we GAVE him to 3 different people and stole it back every time after getting the money for it. Then he decided to build himself a "lab" in a motel room with his girlfriend and her 10 year old daughter...and ba-da-bing, back to the ole jailhouse.

So obviously jail can't be TOO freaking bad...or so many criminals wouldn't be buying a ticket to go back more often than not!

By the way...when I went to visit my cousin in jail, he tried twice (then I quit going) to get me to smuggle drugs in for him...WTH?

@IA.ScooterTramp

society did not throw them away, they VOLUNTEERED to be there.

Quick question, if you have a puppy that has a habit of biting people which do you believe would be the better solution- send him to obedience school OR throw him in a cage full of rabid dogs?

if they had been civil and had respect for human life and thereby the laws of the civilised society of which you speak they wouldn't be there.

Respect for human life? Are you @!$%#ing joking? Surely you don't believe that everyone in prison is a rapist or murderer? Since when does some kid selling a little pot to his buddies lack "respect for human life"??

In 2002, 41% percent of jail inmates had a current or prior violent offense; 46% were nonviolent recidivists; 13% had a current or prior drug offense only.- http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1118

I'm not suggesting that people not be punished for their crimes but there are other ways for some of them. Those who legitimately don't have any respect for human life are getting paroled early to make room for the non-violent offenders who get hit with some ridiculous mandatory sentence, that should be a @!$%#ing wake up call for us all.

How many kids grow up wanting to be a drug addict? how many people choose to be poor, uneducated...etc...yes, there are those who make the choice to become what they are to be a criminal, but was it a choice? With families disfunctional beyond comprehention, where from the rich to the poor the only parents these kids have are the TV, video games, the internet...etc who we are quick to blame for the social problems we are facing, how quick we fail to blame the families for not caring enough, for not making our children care enough about respecting human life or property, how quick we think we can solve the problem with just putting even 14 year old children in prison without concern of the end result. How quick we are to act out emotion instead of rational thought process and live by the idea of "action/reaction" instead of action/solution...want to solve the problem?...easy..cut the military budget by 10%, invest that into our educational system and communities and start preventive actions that put people to work, enrich the economy, give the poor the chance to "make it" help people learn how they can help themselves, that there are options to a life that will just end them in a prison cell. Want to keep people who have in prison out?..give them resources to guide them into a life style that can enrich their possibilities and have self worth, so they can live a life without committing more crimes and pay taxes, give back to the society that gave them a second chance...hope, its the first step, a support system that makes sense so that instead of being a burden on the tax payers of every state they are the ones helping to make a difference for the sake of our overall social wellbeing and maybe for the first time in history we can start closing prisons and pay off our debt as a nation.

rw...you make it sound very appealing to be a criminal who gets caught. The fact is an adult parent who commits a crime is showing their children how to be a criminal. The parent or adult who molests children is teaching a child that the way not a victim is to become the victimizer. The parent or brother or aunt who sells drugs is showing the children how to make the big bucks by participating in the black market. Those parents or family members who are involved in gangs are showing their kids how to live amongst the depraved who's hearts are lost but they are treated like family. Those adults who participate in human trafficking and other low forms of human bondage are teaching their children that it is just fine to exploit others as long as the money is good. Then their are the parents who use their own children to steal or parents who abuse their own children by beating or even selling them to someone else because they don't really care about the life they are supposed to protect.

So rw you seem eager to get your point across...what was your crime and are you really an asset to the community around you on the outside. How about were you an asset to the community around you in prison...did you enrich any life to the point where they redeemable and safe to call your neighbor on the outside?

As for your concerns about the poor...poor people grow-up to be successful people every day. Being poor in American is not the same as being poor in India or China or Mexico...Unfortunately, if a parent does not buy into the mindset that they or their children can work on the right side of the law to become successful then it is their own damn fault for ending up in legal trouble and they have laid a destructive path in reach of their children instead of working to provide a better life.

RW -

An old and tired arguement.

From "Westside Story" - the song was "Dear Officer Krupke" - "we're depraved on account of we're deprived."

RwEvans

how quick we fail to blame the families for not caring enough, for not making our children care enough about respecting human life or property

I blame the "families" all the time.

how quick we think we can solve the problem with just putting even 14 year old children in prison without concern of the end result.

What do you suggest? How many times have they been "through" the system, given chance after chance after chance. How many times must we "forgive" them before we realize they are incorrigible?

want to solve the problem?...easy..cut the military budget by 10%, invest that into our educational system

Excuse me? How much must we spend on the educational system? We already spend more than any other country, yet continually fall behind. Why? Because teachers have been forced to teach to the lowest denominator in the class. So instead of having a class excel, we hold them all back educationally in the HOPE that one or two students will not fall behind their peers and have their sensibilities bruised. So instead of having one or two failures, we have 25 or 30 with a mediocre understanding of the material.

give them resources to guide them into a life style that can enrich their possibilities and have self worth, so they can live a life without committing more crimes and pay taxes, give back to the society that gave them a second chance

We DO that already. What do you want "society" to do? Give them a three piece suit and keys to the executive bathroom when they get out of prison? Granted, what they receive might not be the best in the world, but I'm sorry, they have to get in line for the jobs BEHIND the people who HAVEN'T broken the law and are still struggling. Or do you believe because they've been in prison, they should receive some kind of special treatment when they get out?

All you've mentioned revolves around money and GIVING "them" a hand. How about THEY take responsibility and the initiative to change THEMSELVES and WORK for that change.

I'm not responsible for anothers actions that put him/her into prison. I shouldn't be responsible for helping them stay out of prison. That's a PERSONAL responsibility.

I'll help the poor who DON'T break the law. I'll buy the books for the student who can't afford them and WANTS to learn. I WON'T help those who don't want to help themselves.

@IA.ScooterTramp

too many people in prisons,

Agreed

most extremely dangerous

The facts say otherwise, only 4 in 10 commit violent crimes. And for those wondering, "violent crimes" include those where there is a threat of violence even if no one is harmed, armed robbery for example.

The other 6 out of 10 are in prison for "property, drug, and public order offenses that do not involve a threat of harm or an actual attack upon a victim" Hardly what I would call "extremely dangerous" people.

RwEvans

What they need is their lives changed and an education, given the thing that many have never had...HOPE, and a system that actually works. ...what happens when you put a wild animal in a cage and just leave it there for a length of time and then release it...is it less wild?..

The answer to your question is NO, a wild animal does not become less wild if you cage it and release it. What happens to a wild animal if you put it in a classroom instead of a cage? Does it become less wild? How do you educate a wild animal who, when asked why they murdered a mother and her two children during a home invasion, answers "Because they were there."?

@denver bill 2

What happens to a wild animal if you put it in a classroom instead of a cage.

And what happens when you put a disobedient puppy in a cage full of rabid dogs?

Contrary to popular belief not all prisoners are "wild animals". Treating the disobedient puppy in the same fashion as you would a wild animal is about as stupid as it gets. How about we keep the disobedient puppy AWAY from the wild animal lest he become one himself.

Backcountry -

Yeah, I can buy some of your argument. But, the "property" criminals can also be dangerous. The burglar who mistakenly enters what he thinks is an empty home, the car thief who will go 100 mph to avoid capture, repeat DUI offenders, etc. Maybe not "extremely dangerous," but better for society to have them locked away.

RW -

Let me fix that opening for you: "What they need is to change their lives and get themselves an education."

See the difference?

In a previous post you said that you were in prison for fourteen-years. You advocate more rights to these poor scum bags? You were somebodies BITCH for fourteen-years and free everything! Free sex, meals, TV, education, (something you have considered fifteen- years earlier). Once a con, always a con...go crawl back under your rock!

Backcountry164

@denverbill And what happens when you put a disobedient puppy in a cage full of rabid dogs?

It dies. Do you equate convicts with disobedient puppies in your house, or just on Newsvine?

Contrary to popular belief not all prisoners are "wild animals". Treating the disobedient puppy in the same fashion as you would a wild animal is about as stupid as it gets. How about we keep the disobedient puppy AWAY from the wild animal lest he become one himself.

Agreed. That's why they have minimum security prisons, maximum security prisons, and Supermax here in Colorado. Regardless, I allow my kids to play with puppies, but not with convicts.

Its sad a braindead twit like you gets to vote. No wonder america is screwed up. Kind of like your crackhead hero richard pryor, who burnt his face smoking crack. You probably smoke crack too david you slimy vermin.

David K. Sumrell

Close to election time and the thugs voting are probably trying to insure obamas win....

RICHARD PRYOR said it best "thank God for prisons!"

Actually I believe MARK TWAIN said it best- "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

Alex ,

I sure am sorry IF I touched a nerve....No I don't smoke crack and I do not think Richard Pryor did either. His was pure cocaine. I have always liked Richard Pryor and I would Vote for him as President, vs what we have today....

Backcountry,

You must be out of prison for a short time, hope you get to go where you stay soon... and don't worry change is coming...thats what you have left over after dollars are gone....

You'll have nice days, hope to hear from you again soon!

Mexican prisons allow women in to visit. I guess americans like to create homosexuals. american television glorifies all the gays. ellen degeneres, rosanne barr, etc....

crab.. just look at Hawaii. A small island with very tough gun laws and even with all the added security of a prison, they can NOT keep the preps from having guns.

I shiver at the thought of all those armed preps, blue jackerts, chinos and rep ties . . .

Not rankin' on you. border joe - the typo just brought up a funny picture.

georgie boy, you will be dangerous some day, if you ever get past the second grade.

says spunky, cowering over in the corner, scared of his own shadow. LOL

Oh, arn't you the bad azz cyber bully; what a frickin waste of air

You are one sick puppy silent observer. You sound like you are dumb as a box of rocks, no wonder that is the only job you could get. No wonder america is sinking fast, with morons like you. I am tired of my tax dollars keeping dummies like you afloat. America should just flush stupid turds like you.

Show some class if you can, Alex.

You are almost on the right track Dave. The IRS, which was illegally installed by FOUR (4) senators, christmas 1913, should be immediately abolished. But there are too many retarded, ignorant, stupid sheep in america with zero brains for that to ever happen. Most stupid americans are like crabs in a crab pot. Anyone tries to do something smart and the others try to kill'em. The 545 criminals in Washington should be fired upon, I mean fired. And the prison costs could easily be cut in half by a second grader, but the system is corrupt. I read numerous times, where the average cost to feed a prisoner each year is about $600. (with the food they actually feed them, WWII rations, etc...) but after they pad the figure, that cost soars, and guess who pockets the money, you know who. So america is like Rome, all about corruption, and we all know what happened to Rome.

Alex,

I want to know if your were born this stupid or your just acting like your mother!!!!

you really are a troll georgie boy. stop living in your moms basement and get out and see the world, and try to get some oxygen to that dull brain of yours.

My mom passed away many years ago in her late 90s. Why would I live in the basement of my paid for $450,000 house?

How about Manhattan island, just like in "Escape from NY."

@ ROKHARDRAY, Agree with 1000%!!!!!

What is an acutal citizen?