He can afford a gun but not to pay for some shirts?

Undershirts, at that.

Weird. Wild.

yron Raum

He can afford a gun but not to pay for some shirts?

Further investigation will probably reveal that he stole the gun as well.

Newswinner101 ... I can only assume you are 20-something with a stupid comment like that. He DID catch the shoplifter... that is WHY he is dead.

newswinner: With a gun it would not matter if the LP was 22 or 90... And what is your rant against a 49 year old LP? There are some people in their 50s that are in better shape than many of us.

Hey newswinner if you knew anything you would know that loss prevention people are not security guards, they man all the survelliance cameras and watch for shoplifters. They are part of a security team and age does not matter in this case, actually you would want someone older on the job because they know what to look for. And i think a 49 year old man could put the beating on you if he really wanted to

49 is pretty young and you are very ignorant.

Very odd story. I would have been more than happy to buy the undershirts for this young man. Surely he wanted to avoid life sentence by taking his own life. What a cruel world!

You must be young and and no doubt immature. I had an 19 year old say I was old at 28 but must have failed to realize most people who worked there were in their 20's or older. She is now about 33, I wonder how grandma is doing now? Even Jessica Simpson who was about 21 was saying how old Nick was at 28. She was like 28 isn't that like old? Funny how senior citizen Jessica, who is in her late 20's early 30's, was able to recently have a baby in her advanced years, lol.

Also, if he should not have had a gun at all since, being so young and strong, did not need a gun against all those "elderly" employees.

Newswinner101, Or is it Newsloser?

Age is just a number. I guarantee I'm in better shape than your age discriminating A**, and I'm in my 40"s.

Newswinner: I'm shaking my head and laughing at your arrogance. I hope someone saves all your comments and sends them back to you when you are an "elderly" 49!

Newswinner,

Your mommy is calling you. Get off the computer. 49 doesn't qualify as elderly.

Why am I engaging this troll?

Anyway, tragic story and all for undershirts. It's too hot in Florida for undershirts in the first place. Secondly, there are so many places he could have gone for free clothes. Unfortunately, this is just another story of a young person who sees no value in human life. There are too many of these stories these days.

"I doubt he could have even have chased a shoplifter if needed."

@ Newswinner101 - When I worked in retail we were told NEVER to chase a shoplifter out of the store for this exact reason. Is a stolen $5 dollar item worth your life? It doesn't sound like this escalated to a chase anyway so why are you bring up stupid, irrelevant points? Besides isn't Walmart an Equal Opportunity Employer which im sure includes something in there about age discrimination? You know nothing about this man and what he was capable of so show some respect.

I was thinking the same thing Jan-772812 , I'm 55 and could kick the crap out of most 20 year olds without breaking a sweat . Sad day when someone has to die over some t-shirts !

"YOUNGER he probably could have knocked the gun out of the guys hand"

Clearly knows nothing about firearms.

Complete tragedy and condolences to the family of the store employee who likely earned a small salary and paid for it with his life. Random killings in Walmart, shootings in front of movie theatres, the Tucson tragedy in front of a grocery store. It makes one feel like just staying home. Unfortunately our home also has a burgler alarm system as we arent 100% secure there either. Not remotely speaking from paranoia.....just the sad state of random violence, thefts and break-ins that can seemingly now occur anywhere at anytime. Again condolences to the gentleman's family and anyone who was present at Walmart and had to witness that tragedy.

Taking guns away from people all depends on knowing what you are doing and when to do it to prevent others from being injured. For the information of all, the loss prevention personnel are not supposed to try and apprehend the suspects. They are trained to watch the suspect and notify authorities. Sometimes they allow the stealing to continue to build a case for court. They are not trained to "take down" a criminal due to liability issues with the company with regard to the other guests. And Newswinner, not knowing your age, I cannot say much, but I just retired from the military after 24 years at 42 years old. For the past 12 years I have been outrunning and gunning at least 75% of the new, young recruits coming in. It is not about age, it is conditioning. Flexing ones fingers over a video game control pad and smart phone does not work out well when you get sent to the desert in the heat of summer to really get in a fight. Slow your roll and realize youth is fleeting. You will be considered old within a few years. Can't stop the clock, but you can slow it down by being active.

@Newswinner101 - His age doesn't matter so much as his shape. Let's not forget about the 47 year old that kicked the crap out of the 20 something year old Prince of Monaco and his 4 other bratty weathly friends.

Another excellent win for the NRA and gun nuts everywhere. The gun didn't shoot anybody, the crook with the gun did.

That actually is true, notice how the gun didn't discharge whatsoever until thief decided to shoot the firearm. Now to address your sarcasm: But of course we all know that if he didn't have a gun but instead a knife he wouldn't have been able to kill this person right by cutting the jugular vein or stabbing in the heart or just cutting any artery. All of which would have been non recoverable injuries.

Newswinner, if you think 49 is elderly, I feel very sorry for you. I'm 63 and can still pass the Navy's physical fitness test. I regularly ride my bike more than 30 miles and that's not a leisurely ride. I also swim a couple of miles two or three times a week.

As for the possibility of a "younger" person being able to knock the gun away, you've been watching too many TV shows. In any case, most businesses have a policy that says something to the effect that if a suspect pulls a weapon you let them have whatever they want and let them leave the store. They do not want anyone being shot or stabbed in the store if it can be avoided. Many employees have been fired for fighting back. In fact, a few years ago a Walmart her in Florida, fired a 70 something year old employee because he attempted to physically stop a shoplifter. They have also fired a number of other employees who have stopped armed shop lifters.

Anyway, in a physical altercation with a 22 year old, I might not beat him but he's going to know he has been in a fight. There is one thing though, even when I was 22, I couldn't outrun a bullet.

There is madness in this country---the favorite weapon of choice--guns.

Most people will be owning them now, because of all the outrageous kooks out there who commit these crimes, including the mass murders in the United States.

Defending oneself is the best weapon against sick, violent, murderous offense.

Do we all have to walk around, having a knife or baseball bat everyplace we go in Public?

It would be a good idea to carry "Mace Spray" in your pocket all times.

Your attitude speaks volumes on the status of today's obese children and adults. Don't cry if you don't try to workout. Was told 15 years ago would be lucky if I was walking when 60 due to OA. Well, proved that doctor wrong and workout everyday. Can't stop the aging clock, but am working harder and smarter going into my later years. Do not plan on stopping, just passing the younger people when I am racing my bike. Life is all about the choices you make. Obviously Walmart will be facing a lawsuit from the security employee's family. So sorry to hear another person died over $16 worth of clothes made in China. Priorities are all screwed up in this consumer driven country.

Newswinner:

You've f**ked this one up so badly that you might want to quit before you bury yourself any deeper in ridiculous comments.

You know I feel like if we punished crimes like shop lifting, graffitti and so called minor crimes more severely then the chances of these kinds of things would be reduced and crime in general would be reduced. I manage a chain of retail stores and I get treated worse for speeding than shoplifters do for stealing. Crimes like shoplifting are the "gateway" crimes and lead to larger and in most cases more violent crimes. Events like this are just tragic. In the end no one to blame but the crazy guy who did this.

Hilarious that 49 is now "elderly"....I will have to tell my wife she is elderly now....that may cause another murder! Wish me luck. The next article may be about my death :) And BTW I am 46 and there are not too many 20 somethings that I couldn't whip!

I don't know what's more pathetic--that a man felt the need to steal a pack of $16 undershirts, that the store felt they were worth preventing their theft (we're talking undershirts, people) or worse, that a package of $16 undershirts are worth an employee's life.

It's just a horrific story all around.

Criminal can always get guns...just call the attorney general! lol! True, but still joking! Anyway, this is why the second ammendment should be recognized as an important and essential way to combat crime. People think that taking guns away will stop criminals too.....Umm, Actually what criminal buys their guns from a legitimate retailer??? NONE! But when ALL guns are taken away...then ONLY two types of criminals have guns....the illegal criminals and the legal criminals. people no longer have a way of defending themselves! Liberals usually claim that "someone was killed because of a bullet today"..OK yes, true....but 300,000,000 others werent! There were hundreds of people who daily from car accidents...do we take cars away? There are thousands who die every year from Pharmacuetical drugs, which our governent calls medicine, yet we allow them to enter the market, because of $$$! So, the problem with guns is not that they kill people....its that we toss it into the media and report it as a phenomenon that is uncontrollable....if they reported pharmaceutical deaths....there'd be no time to report anything else!

NewsLOSER: you must be 2 years old if you think a person in their 40's is old. I have friends in their 40s who are in much better shape than they were in their 20s (you know...back in the drink all night and gain a little beer gut days). You have too little life experience to even comment on these stories. Graduate high school and move out your parents house before you start voicing your ignorant opinions. Also, join the Army so you can learn that you can't just knock a gun out of person's hands just because you are in your 20s. You are an idiot and that's ok. You just may want to stop advertising your ignorance to the world.

Gunner you are not correct about Walmart "Associate Sam" personnel. They ARE TRAINED to detain shoplifters...but they are also told to let it go if it presents a danger to themselves or customers.

This guy must have pulled the gun and fired before Security could react. Who would expect someone to kill over $16 worth of T-shirts? And then he killed himself. Don't take a genius to figure out this guy was not playing with a full deck. Whata shame.

If you've ever heard a page for 'Associate Sam', that is their code for security.

I was an assistant manager of a Walmart Vision Center. One of our LP guys confronted and asked a shoplifter to return to the office with him (SOP). Found out later he was a 2 strike ex-con, would have been 3rd strike. The shoplifter tried to punch the guy and was thrown to the ground and instructed to not try and get up.

The guy tried to get up lunging at "Sam". Sam reacted with a straight kick to the head....Gross as hell, but I saw a tooth fly and the guy went down like a ragdoll.

I thought what I witnessed was "excessive force", but both the Security guy and the manager assured me it was within acceptable standards. It became reasonable force at the point that the guy tried to assault him.

Naturally, we always tried to keep upset customers making a scene calm and take it away from other customers. Sometimes you can't.

And sometimes people die needlessly. I wouldn't be surprised to find out another "3rd strike" situation or just a desperate, depressed individual in these times. Killing for $16.

Another thing I learned from security.....more than half the time, shoplifters are carrying credit cards and/or enough cash to pay for what they steal.

Hey Newswinner, I'm 51 and can do 100 Marine Corps pushups which is 200 to you, 2 sets. Can you?

gunner is right: know what your remit is and the rest is training, training, training.

I am sure that I would have let walmart fire me first before running behind someone, because it has been proven; that walmart cares nothing about their employees!

well...at least it seems that bastard killed himself, saving taxpayer money; otherwise we'll have to pay for his trial and feed him while he's locked up for the rest of his life. Good riddance!

yes, absolutely browneyez. An elderly old fellow and good hearted as any I've seen was fired by Wal-Mart for some trumped up reason just a couple of months ago! I liked seeing him at the doorway. He always had a kind hello and was a joy to conversate with! Wal-Mart ~ yah lost my business for sure after that! I only went in maybe 3 or 4 x a year and won't go at all now! The fact that fellow lost his job proves why the 49 year old chased the guy! The bosses would have viewed the surveillance tapes of that shoplifter and the 49 year old out of fear of losing his job took pursuit of the thief, knowing he would lose his job if it didn't appear on the tape as a sincere effort to interdict the thievery. John Boy Walton is a jagoff! He hates UNIONS and has taken measures to make working their anything but enjoyable!

How ridiculous to shoot and kill someone over two packages of T-shirts.

Stores need to adjust their loss prevention policies. I worked for a national chain that did NOT want us to confront shoplifters (to prevent us and other shoppers from being hurt/killed). If we saw someone shoplift we called the manger to report it. They had cameras everywhere and could turn the tapes over to police.

C'mon people. Give the newsboy a break. If you consider that he will probably have a life span of 23 years, he'll be old before he hits 21. And the life span of a troll is what, 2 days? So this kid probably can't count to 49, let alone see 49 years.

Who the hell kills over $16? What was the point? My condolences to the family.

Newswinner101

You're a total idiot. I know 60 year old guys that run down any 20 year old and whip their arses ... including yours!

Too bad the Hispanic Walmart employee was killed. He should have been arrested for murder for confronting the black shoplifter, thus causing his suicide. The shoplifter looks like what Obama's son might look like.

You nailed it, Nobamastank. Notice the liberal main stream media didn't way "WHITE HISPANIC" this time around like they did with Zimmerman. This time around the Hispanic was the victim. So naturally, we will not hear from Obama, we will not hear from Jesse & Al and the other racers, we will not hear from the "new" Black Panther party, and we will not hear from the liberal left in general lambasting the "white Hispanic" before the facts are out. The "white Hispanic" was murdered by this piece of trash, so the liberal media doesn't have much of an emotion-jerking story to run with propaganda.

We won't hear from them any more than we'll hear from them after Chicago (GUN CONTROL Chicago I might add) surpassed 14 other major international cities in murders per capita (http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/The-Deadliest-Global-City-163874546.html#ixzz22K8te76z). You damn sure won't be hearing from the former Community Organizer-turned president or his crony now running Chicago.

And for the record I know a LOT of 60-year olds that can whip the snot out of a lazy 20-something tub of dung like this. At least this piece of trash offed himself and saved the taxpayers money.

Newswhiner: You watch too much TV.

It isn't the size or age of the man that matters. We have guys on the SWAT team that size and they can easily take young perpetrators down. To quote Mark Twain:

It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.

No man is a match for a gun, however. Blame the perpetrator, not the victim.

My condolences to the family.

@ Newswinner101....... turn off the TV and get into the real world !! It has sucked all the intellegence out of your brain !

Killing some one for $16 , sad so sad,

God bless this mans family, hope they got the right guy and not another victim.

Some one that kills for $16 probably won't commit suicide.

He DID catch the shoplifter... that is WHY he is dead.

That's quite a leap. Catching criminals is not why people die. The murderer already has two strikes against and probably didn't want to go to jail for 'lifting $16 in merchandise.

Newswinner101, I will not call you ignorant . I admit I wanted to at first and then I realized that is something I preach against on here about coming down on people who have other opinions. I will say this. I do not agree with you. First of all, I know some 49 year old people who just competed in a 5K and won. They beat everyone signed up and not a photo finish. They were 3-5 minutes AHEAD of the rest of the group. I also know several police officers who not only can run very quickly, but are in tremendous shape. Physically and mentally. They are also 50 years old. So your rant about "they should have hired someone younger", holds no water. None.

In addition, loss prevention at any store is not to "chase" down the person. They are trained to watch for certain things, approach the person and if things turn, they are to back off and call police. Cashiers are not supposed to try and take anyone down that is holding a gun to them. Tellers in banks are not supposed to fight someone who is robbing them. They are merely an employee of the institution and are trained to not fight, do exactly as you are told and let the police apprehend.

I am sorry that your posts were collapsed. That is the sad part of this. If someone tells people they should kill themselves, or they should be dead or they should never have been born....by all means those type of posts should be collapsed. What is wrong is when someone does not say those things and the comment is collapsed by people that just disagree. That takes the entire point of the blog away. I do not agree with you, but you have your right to your opinion. ( on a sidenote...I'm pretty sure people read the collapsed posts anyway...maybe even more than the ones that are not...just to see what they say....but again....that is beside the point)

My condolences to the family as well.

Even though I love Wal Mart Stores, and their discount products, it is Notorious for criminal acts. Two kids were caught in front of us with merchandise at Cashier with fraudulent checks. They were turned away.

There are many super Wal Marts in certain areas of the Country, where crime is not a problem.

In one area of ours, this particular Wal Mart is the busiest for criminal activity in the Country. There are Police Cars in numbers waiting for some kind of delirious act to happen.

Always keep wallets or handbags (crossbody) wallets, secure--it is a fun place to shop in a literal sense.

Wal Mart is a good Store, and is expanding every day.

once the follow up is done; the thief/killer was either on probation or had a felony record/ meaning even a minor shoplifting charge would put him back in prison for many years/ that is the reason he killed over 16 dollars worth of t shirts

.newsvine 49 , old man; wow, you must really be young, the median age in my agency(worked for), was about 44, all college degrees/ in very good shape/smart/street smart and all very good shots.

Pork. This is a page about someone who shot an employee and then shot himself. There are PLENTY of polictical pages you could have put this on. Why this??

@Newswinner - What an incredibly stupid bastard you are. Hopefully you'll be killed before you turn 49.

Good that the thief killed himself. Bad that a decent working man was murdered.

I'm 42 and I absolutely guarantee you that I could deal with most 20-something kids. I'm 6'2 and 215lbs. I have 12% body fat and alot of history with hand-to-hand combat. Some have even said I have aggression issues.

Yeah, I'd take my "chances" with most 20-30 somethings.....

Pork eater you mean sorta like George stole it in 2000? Now on the other topic what kind of nut shoots some one over some t shirts. One guy trying to make a honest living and a low life theif trying to prove his thugginess. As for you newsboy you better be glad people on here in their forties can't get their hands on you or you would be getting the ass whooping of a lifetime. I'd bet money on that boy.

While there is a real tragedy in the robber-turned-killer's initial actions (stealing and killing), he ended up doing the right thing. He saved society as a whole and the community in particular the burdens and expenses of a trial and incarceration.

I did and this is what came up...

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I think you'd have an easier convincing people of your lies if the people your lying to didn't have the internet.

EPIC FAIL on your part.

Pork..Cut the Rant. The Miitary DID get their Ballots. My Husband is in Afghanistan and he got his.

And newswinner..My husband is in his 50's and could take down most guys half his age..49 is NOT elderly.

Newsloser, you are obviously an idiot. I used to know a 63 year old man who was a second degree black belt. He could beat the cr*p out of 20-something idiots like you. In fact, he did - on several occasions, and not during testing for either degree of black belt. I was in better shape at 49 than I was at 18. It has nothing to do with your chronological age. It is a matter of how fit you are. My karate instructor at the time I knew that 63 year old was a 30 year old fourth degree black belt. He was obviously overweight, but he could do all sorts of rolls and flying kicks. You are probably sitting in your mother's basement playing with yourself. Wait, Newsloser, I hear your mother calling you for lunch.

Geo,

Thank you! It is one sad commentary on the mindset of our population when a board that is here for one thing and one thing only! Which is to allow and encourage the readers to respond with an opinion and debate the content of the article,also allows and encourages the supression of one of the most important cornerstones of our society which is the "freedom of speech". But what is worse is the fact that so many posters participate in that supression! Not out of some sense of responsibility to community or individual,not with the motivation of discouraging illegality,slander or liable,but simply because they don't like what they read! Yet 99 percent of these people who actively and willingly go out of their way to collapse comments that don't suit them undoubtedly consider themselves to be red blooded patriots of America,would just eviserate anyone from other nations who spoke ill of it or it's doctrines..yet they are willingly and eagerly proving themselves to be firm advocates of the denigration of the nation and it's doctrines they profess to love!

It truly is an interesting and disturbing social study and insight into the true mentality of many,many people in this country.

OBAMA can kick ass too................as long as they're in the middle east and not on the US Mexico border.

Terrell Kennith Johnson did the taxpayers a favor when he killed himself. No trial to waste taxpayers' money on his worthless ass.

This is the exact reverse of the Travon Martin / George Zimmermann shootout!

redondo98:

$16 worth of t-shirts made in China? You are just as ignorant as Newswinner, sir. Those $16 dollar t-shirts involved labor, hard labor. Captalism means "cheap labor", which literally translates to "slaves". Nowadays, because the first world countries doesn't feel like having people to do the labor anymore, the dirty jobs have been given to the third world countries. Be thankful, sir. Be glad there are people who work hard for wages way lower than the lowest standard for Western countries, who are working hard right now to give you the things you take for granted.

Everyone needs to lay off Newswinner101. He's probably some loser 18 to 21 year old who couldn't get a job at BK and has for a long time pictured himself as a cop with a gun. Thank God he's not.

The guy wasn't hired to be a bouncer or a cop. He was definitely age appropriate for the job, and if you have to be told that, you're pretty dumb.

Since 50 is the new 40, 'Newswinner" is undoubtedly making the case that 21, is the new 11.

He was mad because he stole "wife beaters" and got caught. You can't make up stuff like this.

What kind of POS kills someone over $16 worth of t-shirts. Likely was a criminal loser facing that 3rd strike. Couldn't be happier he killed himself. Better than the cops, would have cost ammo and paperwork time. Every time I hear of a car chase and crash, I hope no innocent people are involved, and I'm disappointed when the perps live through the wreck.

And to those saying gun control would solve this, you are kidding yourselves. Since when do criminals get firearms through legitimate channels that the laws would regulate anyway. I'd be willing to bet that gun was stolen from a legit owner in a burglary or car break in/theft. But highly doubt it came from a legit store or dealer.

You have heard the old saying "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns", right?

Well, old sayings don't get to be old without a reason. The reason is, they are most often true!

Newswinner101... I'm 71 years old and I could probably kick your a$$ on my worst day.

Can you say: Taekwondo without drooling on your bib?

When Newswinner's mom finally stops shopping for him - he will realize that Walmart has security people every other aisle, more than one car patrolling the lot, and people watching cameras all over the store. They also have these things called radios....newswinner should take on Usain Bolt if he can out run radios.

When I started out as a laborer in my early 20's I was a skinny runt - by the time I was in my 40's - my muscles had muscles. First thing my wife said when we started dating (when I was 43yo) was - wow, you have some serious back muscles.

Not too many security people are going to think someone is going to shoot them over tee shirts - that shooter was messed up.

Doc, you have no clue what you are talking about. Standard Walmart policy, as well as standard policy for most businesses now days, is for LPs to ask the suspect to accompany them to an office in the store and wait for police. Usually, but not always, police have already been called before the LP approaches the suspect. If the suspect resists, the only thing the LP can do is continue to try to talk to them. ANY attempt by ANY store employee to physically stop the suspect is grounds for firing. The only time an employee can become physical is if they are attacked themselves and then only to protect themselves. If a suspect punches them and runs, they cannot pursue.

Just because you might not like Walmart or their businesses practices, doesn't mean you don't have to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

I can't help myself. You're ignorant. And a twit.

I happen to be 49. For the record I can complete a marathon (full disclosure, I haven't run one since I was 47). I am in better shape than the average 20-year-old. Is that how old you are, you silly twit?

Though I must admit, when I was 20 I thought 30 was kinda old. But I never felt like I needed to insult a person for their age. In life, age happens.

But you know, age is something of a mark of success. Is it better you think to die young? Unless you fail in some way with living, someday YOU will be 49. What's more, you denigrate this employee who was killed while you know NOTHING about him. I don't recall, did I mention that you are a friggin' TWIT?

This guy stealing the undershirts: I wonder if he needed them to feed his drug habit? (For the dumba$$es out there like Newsloser101, that was sarcasm.)

Who takes a gun to walmart to steal wife beaters...?

Gravedigger, I agree with you, it is a cruel world. I see it is unfortunate that at age 22, a human being has to steal merchandise of $16, and finds himself in such a dead end over it, and takes his own life, at age 22!

The other one at 49 years of age, probably a family man looking forward to retirement. Two human beings. And I ask, why do people have to come to these terms with life when they have to steal cheap merchandise? Isn't America one of the richest countries, where we easily talk about billions and trillions of dollars, and we help other countries, but our own people have to do this? What's going on?

Casesar-where did all of your hatred come from? To say that hopefully someone will be killed is sick. All because someone doesn't agree with you or thinks differently about something than you do. Get some help before that hatred turns ugly and destroys the rest of YOUR life.

I'm getting a mental image of a guy wearing baggy pants while running with a package of white wife beater T-shirts. Those shirts are worth dying for just as a pair of Nike tennies or a gold chain.

Hey NEWSWINNER.

49 is elderly? Are you fu**ing kidding me?

Newsflash, pal: I'm 48 and I'm just itching to spend a little time with you.

I have some things I need to teach you about the 'elderly'...

Hate much?

This is just a petty theft turned into a murder-suicide. It is not a referendum on the political leadership in Washington.

Please. Hold your breath.

Perhaps someday we all can ascend to the heights of spiritual and emotional maturity manifested in your post, Sandshark.

I vote you hold your breath.

SandShark75: You're a hypocrite who also makes hateful, inappropriate comments. Take a good look in the mirror before you accuse someone else of being a miserable human!

yup

Off subject, Obama had nothing to do with a guy getting shot and a suicide at Wally World. So, I would surmise that hate, yes I said it random, hate came from the right, and I would also subjectively say, that the deep hatred is rooted in Mr. Obama's skin color. Matter of fact, short of out and out saying why they hate Obama most right wonders hate him for that reason. They may add reasons but typical of republicans that hate Woman, the poor middle class, and homosexuals, they also hate people of color and feel they are not their equal because of their status. This is bigotry at its finest. Dang uppity Negros, dare to get elected president, this is a country founded on Christian ideals and we don' t believe in that. I'm sure its in the constitution somewhere and a liberal judge allowed it. While off subject, Mitt, where are those tax forms, the ones that you are hiding something it.

read the news came out yesterday, now lets see the college transcripts-(obama)

CMars, please look up the definition of hypocritical and explain your comment.

Random, the problem isn't just the liberals, it's the conservatives too. The base of both sides has shifted so far to the extremes, left and right, that nothing is getting done. Until that base, on both sides, shifts more back to the middle very little will be accomplished.

John, the hate comes from both sides and your comment lets us know which side you hate from. Just for the record, while I won't deny there are people who hate Obama for the color of his skin, I believe most Republicans who "hate" Obama, do so because he is a Democrat. Just for the record, I do not believe most Republicans (I know a bunch) hate women, poor middle class, homosexuals or people of color. There is a big difference between having a difference of opinion and outright hate. There is one thing you were absolutely correct about though, you were certainly off subject. This story mentioned nothing of hate. Where in the world did you come up with "hate came from the right?" Where is President Obama mentioned in the story?

Some of the posters here lately are as crazy as the news articles.

FOX News; please open your forum back up - we don't want them.

Who in their right mind goes to places that they know will be hostel toward them, just to confront them? Us Liberals are just as powerless in today's society as you Conservatives are - crying to us won't solve anything - unless you like abuse from Liberals...must be some medical term for that somewhere in the AMA handbook.

It goes beyond that hypocrite, you suck, yes I hate republicans, or more correctly I hate fascicst. Republicans today are no long republican. I stand by my statement that most fascist (republicans) hate Obama because of his skin color. It has nothing to do with him being a democrat. My point exactly, Obama wasn't mentioned in the story, but the hateful fascist commenters here brought him into it anyway. There is a list of about 44 bills from the tea bag house that contains many examples of the republicans hate for Woman, gays, seniors, anything but Grover Norquist. Yeah I am ready for another civil war. I see it coming and I am prepared.

Dems. The party of intolerance and hate. The party of Bull Connor. You morons proud of your posta?

What a senseless tragedy and terrible outcome for this security guard just trying to do his job. I really feel awful for what his loved ones must be going through and hope they get all the support they need right now. As to why this suspect turned violent is baffling but I would venture to guess a previous criminal background may have played a part in it. Because he came armed as if anticipating trouble. Most often shoplifting isn't about the inability to pay, but other reasons.

jerk

John from BC

Odumba had nothing to do with that thug Travon getting his just rewards, but he saw fit to put his worthless 2 cents in.

Yes I dislike Odumba because he plays the race card and uses his race for causes while denying his white heritage.

yeah, let's blame the Walmart employee... geez....

Anyone who backs the shoplifting murderer should be sent to guantanimo

Yeah, let's just let the bastards steal stuff.

jake are you kidding arresting shoplifters is abusing power.? what are you talking about ? what abuse is it that you have seen? Where? what store?

You don't know what you are talking about! They escort people to the back & "hold" them while law enforcement is on it's way. Most times there is no physical contact unless the shoplifter tries to run...then all bets are off and yes, they will get held down.

Moral to story....don't shoplift!

49 yo is NOT old. I'm over 60 yo and can still out work most in their teens & 20s and can outrun a lot of them too. And I've smoked since I was 15 yo.!

There's always some backward thinker who wants to blame the victim!

jake: Quit stealing and you won't have problems with security.

Anytone who feels bad for a low-life miscreant that chose to steal and then KILL someone has no understanding for morals nor values. The Loss Prevention Asociate was DOING HIS JOB. The POS who was stealing wasn't doing anything productive that benefitted society. See the difference?

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PineCone you are TOTALLY misinformed about how they handle shoplifters.They are not allowed to tackle them if they run, they do call the police, that's it. They do not want sued.My husband is a manager at a WalMart, and as far as "abusing"power....If he saw a guy loading a suitcase /w infant formula(a popular thing the steal to resell they have to try to keep it in glass cases now) But if my husband who is a manager saw a guy loading up a suitcase with infant formula he isn't even allowed to approach the guy and ask him what he is doing. (this actually happened btw, the guy grabbed cheapest piece of luggage to buy, then loaded it with baby formula, a lot of times the cashiers dont look in the bag or lift it) If ANY employee confronts a shoplifter they are auto fired. The "procedure" is to go get a security guy from the back and tell him what aisle the person is in, many times the person has already left the building with their stolen loot by this time. Also the guard HAS TO WAIT until this person goes outside b/c a lot of ppl will actually put stuff in their purse get to the door turn around and go pay for it. They do have SEVERAL plain clothes security at walmart that walk the store all day looking for ppl that steal. 2 employee's disarmed a man with a knife that worked at walmart and were fired, even though they prob saved shoppers lives, but they were not authorized to approach shoplifters.. If anything the employee's don't have enough power. And remember every time one of these punks steal, the prices you pay for merchandise go up to cover it. The reason no one can approach shop lifters is very simple...the shoplifters SUE them.

Jake-I guess we should just let thieves run wild. how would you feel if that had been one of your family members? As far as walmart security being abusive, I would differ saying that most punk shoplifters are already disrespectful of the law and the community. You probably complain about the prices you have to pay for things already,or are you a shoplifter too?

I work as a criminal attorney. Several of our law enforcement officers work security details at Wal-Mart and such places at night. One of our officers told us the other day about a woman who was in Wal-Mart, with her children in tow, loading up her purse with merchandise. This officer saw her and began to follow her around the store, waiting for her to attempt to leave the store without paying (as her actions and her suspicious behavior clearly showed that was what she was working towards). This wanna-be shoplifter saw the officer watching and following her and for over an hour tried to pretend to shop so the officer would go away. When she didn't, the wanna-be shoplifter dumped all the merchandise in her purse in a discount bin, started mouthing off about the officer and left the store. Get this...the children, due to their mother's reaction, looked at the OFFICER like she was a POS for preventing their mother from stealing. Our future shoplifters of America in training. So Jake, I can only imagine you have the same mindset of this "mother" and her children...how dare someone prevent a person from stealing! The problem isn't LP or law enforcement. The problem is people with mindsets like yours.

Jake, you are delusionary or had some type of TBI to think the security guard was too old or out of his league to try and detain the shoplifter. Maybe he'd have been to old if he was 69 and I'm sure the situation spiraled out of control for both before it could be stopped as a single loss of life for a $16 short is worthless. I'm sure the shoplifter needed it for a specific event to attend and maybe couldn't or chose not to afford it and then when caught just wanted to avoid prosecution and over-reacted and then saw what he'd done, knew his life as he knew it was over. Yes, an idiot for sure but still tragic. I feel sorry for the security guard just doing his job.

My 'only' question is...What was the military doing on the scene when this was a local issue? They have police and I would suppose SWAT if they need them. But the Military presence? That's non essential. LE is only supposed to call them for dire emergencies like natural disasters. They should be guarding borders, not out catching potential shoplifters.

Lea your exactly right. The Its against the Constitution to use Military in local law enforcement. Its called the Posse Comitatus Act.

http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm

Usually I don't respond to these things but I've got to give my input here. As a former shoplifter (not proud of it) I was caught three separate times - Walmart, Target, and Kroger. Every single time, I cooperated and in return I was treated with absolute respect and kindness. I can honestly say that the loss prevention people who caught me each time were some of the nicest people I've ever met! I'm sure it's for safety, to not provoke anyone to violence. As long as you are cooperative and calm, they will be the same with you, and in fact I've never had to go to jail. I highly doubt I'm just lucky.

Oh and I'm an avid Obama supporter so please don't assume that people who sympathize with criminals and blame cops are all liberal wackos.

I would bet $100 that this tragedy is not the loss prevention guy's fault, and is due to a troubled shoplifter who panicked and made horrible, horrible decisions.

Who said anything about military?

jake_w - are you an idiot or what? You feel sorry for the thug that was too much of a coward to face a jury of his peers. One man and one thug lose their lives over underwear. Why? Because some people won't work for what they need - they just take take take - and jake_w I imagine you are one of them.

vpmk - the only horrible decision the thug made was shoplifting in the first place. I don't understand what makes people they can steal cheat and rob to get through this life. You all need to be lined up and shot to death - then the rest of us can keep on living in peace, working and BUYING the things we need - not taken not given.

Im sad for both the Security guard AND THE SHOPLIFTER

WHY? The thief was trash. It`s useful that he killed himself.

Yeh lets feel bad for the shoplifting cold blooded F %^$ king killer......!

Jake , you are a retarded Moron.

So where are all the gun control Azz's

There due to showup with more stupid comments anytime now!

Idiots.

My simpathy for the family of the guard that was kil, I mean MURDERED.

For the shoplifters family , To bad he dident choke on a chicken bone before this sad day!

jim grotto - I'm not even going to point out all the crazy thoughts and missed spelled words in your post - you punish your self enough already...lmao!

Umm there was no military presence there. Military aren't the only ones that wear camo. Those were SWAT personnel.

Boy, those undershirts must have been like gold to that loser for him to take an innocent life instead of forking over the 16 bucks for them! As for Jake, I can only assume he was once thwarted from shoplifting at WalMart and so has some bitterness.

Leanna Cooper

You said

My 'only' question is...What was the military doing on the scene when this was a local issue?

I read the article 3 times and never saw any statement reflecting a military presence. Are you sure you are commenting on the correct article? On the video, the 2 SWAT officers were dressed in ACU Camouflage Uniforms - most SWAT wear some type of camouflage uniform , but they were not military.

How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for a shoplifter?

I used to shoplift in my teenage years and it was the single most stupidest thing I could and ever did. It was for the thrill of it, I didn't need the stuff. Most of the time that's what shoplifters do it for, the thrill.

This guy however was an ahole. He killed a man over 16 dollars worth of shirts and then himself. It was senseless and now they'll cry and whine about how he had a horrible life.

Lea Anna, Lea Anna...tisk, tisk...the military is there because Florida is the federal property of USSA's Dictator Obama. This can be verified at: Quote: "The DHS officers demanded "papers, please!" and under the threat of detainment for 72 hours we relented. Make no mistake the officers were violating the rights of free sovereign people. Also take notice of the fact that the officers declared the entire street and essentially the entire state of Florida federal property. As our livestream died, Micah Jackson continued filming."

Time to take the rose-coloured glasses off, honey. It'll be a painful realization to you and others, but the sooner you know and accept it, the quicker you can do something to protect and defend yourselves

Regarding FL being federal property and DHS: the info can be found at HoustonFreeThinkersDotCom

So..you claim to be so sad (for a piece of garbage murderer....) and hten you decide now is a gREAT time to go into your pathetic anti-Walmart bi*chfest.

pathetic.

The shoplifter had a firmarm which means he was a danger to everyones life in Walmart.I'm sorry but I believe all security guards should be certified to carry a firmarm and put through training.Walmart will now be sued and trust me Walmart pays their security guards peanuts.I was a security guard for 15 yrs as an armed guard and you could never put me on a job without my protection of my Firearm.If Walmart was not so cheap and had Hired a experienced armed guard than he could have a chance to protect himself.This shoplifter was armed and dangerous which means he was a threat to everyone in that store.He also knew the security guard was unarmed.What is unarmed guard going to protect people lives and as well as his own.I feel bad for the security guard,he did not deserve to get killed.Walmart will be sued for this and I hope this teaches Walmart a lesson.That security guard loss his life making probably $9-10 bucks a hour and had no way to protect himself from this criminal.What a shame!!

make shoplifting with a gun a crime.
looking at the guy in the video, it is not due the his age that he was less than desirable for the job, he does not look to be in very good shape. i am 47 and i look like an eighteen year old.
in some places you can use any amount of excessive force to protect your belongings, and that carries over to security personnel. so it is not an abuse of power, it is just that some people love doing their jobs.

nobody hates God or the flag, just self rightous pinheads like yourself. get a looser tin foil hat - moron

proudamericanveteran... people like you crack me up. I am a liberal and I love God and the American Flag. Walmart... not so much! And the reason I don't love Walmart is because every single item in there is Made in China.... I prefer Made in America. Why do you want to drag politics into this? This article is about murder.

I am also a proud american veteran.........It's not true that progressives hate God ....the American flag or even walmart......what nonsense are you trying to spin?...........Thank you for your service.

A more befitting name for you would be Pseudoamericanveteran.

From a real American veteran.

Brian... Go away. Frank and lonesome... Thank you

proudamericanveteran... A couple of definitions for you:

Conservative: adj. 1. Favoring preservation of the existing order. 2. Moderate; cautious. 3. Traditional

Liberal: adj. 1. Favoring individual freedom and nonrevolutionary reform. 2. Broad-minded or tolerant. 3.Generous; bountiful.

Is it the "Broadminded, tolerant" or the "generous" parts that most irritate you?

Scrubbing latrines in the Army might make you a veteran, but it's nothing to be proud of. Want to impress somebody? perhaps you should try reading a book. That way, you might realize how ignorant you sound when you put "liberal" and "nazi" together.

So you say the shooter is black? Really. I have considered bring a teabagger, former military brat, and for the rest of my life, black. But I do not like either of your comments. Maybe I was on to something about being a teabagger.

Thanks to Obama and other Democrats I am sure you are enjoying all the perks from the Government for being a "proudamericanveteran". So stop accusing Democrats of being haters of God, the American Flag and Walmart. It makes you sound very uneducated.

did you watch the democratic convention sir if you can associate yourself with those folks the fear of GOD is not in you

Brian: Why would anyone "fear" God????

One Nation... Perhaps Brian fears more than God. Apparently the "E Pluribus Unum" thing isn't working out too well for some of these folks. Their loss.