Yeah sure, and the jurisdiction would be Afganistan, moron. The reason we have court marshal procedures is to exert some measure of control over our soldiers in locations where we don't have any legal jurisdiction.

I hope he is fully court marshalled and sentenced severely - aside from this being a general sexual assault, because he is high ranking it is an abuse of power / sexual harassment as well. He had BETTER lose his pension if found guilty....

I guess he didn't want any Afghan female "stuff," so he raped white female soldiers? Is that what this is saying?

What an abuse of power.... however, does this really suprise anyone? I hope none of these females got pregnant. If they do, the GOP would NOT support a bill that allows raped military women to use their insurance benefits to 'choose' what is right for them. Mmm legimate rape already in the military?

The charge of "forced sex" involves allegations he forced a subordinate to perform oral sex and is based on the previous Uniform Code of Military Justice.

It doesn't say he raped anyone - just that he forced someone (man or woman) to have oral sex. Please don't jump to conlusions...

And the adulterous affairs may have been fully consensual, just against code if you are maried or of differing rank....

Adultary is NOT rape!

Read the article Jen and take your own advice: "Revisions to that code implemented this year now consider all forms of "forced sex" as rape."

Saying "Give me a blow job or else" is rape and sexual harrassment.

Jenn
Did you miss the term 'forced'?? That pretty much precludes 'consenting' sex.

Reading comprehension???

Revisions to the code this year... If the crime occurred LAST year, which the article implies, it is NOT defined as rape under the code.

And while forced blow job is reprehnsible and discusting and wring all over the place, it is considered forced sexual assault and NOT as rape by the general civilian legal standards in most states... Just because the legal code now includes it as a rape charge, doesn't make it actually rape;

Although, I guess, technically, it is a "forced penetration" so maybe my definition needs to be revised as well...

@ Ryan, you are wrong and right... I will conced your point.

(PS I have been raped, by the traditional definition, and let me tell you, a blow job is NOT the same...)

@DSB, the blow job was forced, not the affairs.... And the force may have been coersion, not physical force; the article doesn't say.

Unfortunately senior officers have been harassing female subordinates forever. Hopefully he will face charges but will probably be given a reduction in rank and allowed to retire. That's what usually happens for senior officers. I personally know an AF General who got to do just that after finally getting caught, reduction in rank and a very generous pension. A general officer who acts in such a manner should be discharged with only the shame, no pension, nothing.

David Crowe: If any of you talking trash haven't been in the military you have NO business talking about taking his retirement pay. Just shut your faces.

Why?

Jean s Forced sex is rape whether it is vaginal, oral or anal, RAPE IS RAPE. This scum bags miss used his power and should face criminal charges. And if convicted stipped of rank and all Miliary benefits .

Yep, time to "re-visit" one of our Presidents.

• "I swear I did not have sex with that woman."

Great surrogate for Mr. Obama's campaign.

Dan-3690019 My prediction: Army General will retire rather than face charges and will still receive pension.

You can't just retire to get out of criminal charges in the military. Occasionally, you may have someone, who receives non-judicial punishment, which effectively ends their career, so they retire; or even someone with 20+ years served, who is convicted, and lowered in rank, but not all the way down to E-1, so they retire.

This guy is going to be tried, probably convicted, and if so, go to Leavenworth. He will lose his pension, and all benefits.

With all of his foibles , how did this guy get promoted? By the the good old boys chain of command?

Jenn S- under the UCMJ "foced sex" is rape. In fact any form of "forced sex'"should be considered rape.

Everyone is entitled to there opinions and interpretations. If it was a lower ranked military individual ,, You can bet they would give him or her the maximujm allowable sentence. This general should be held accountable just like anyone else ,, He should not be allowed to retire with pension and escape with what basically would amount to a slap on the wrist. I am a retired veteran of 23 1/2 years active service and I have seen first hand high ranking officers get away with actions similar to this without really being held to the highest standard that they expect of those under them at there commands.

He will lose his pension, and all benefits.

Look on the bright side he will learn an awesome new trade

http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/USDB/store.asp

and build up a handsome nest egg sacking groceries for tips at the commissary during his last 6 months there.

DavidCrowe as a taxpayer it is my right to object to someone collecting a pension IF he/she is convicted of a Crime under the UCMJ. Key word convicted. SO if he is convicted his pension should be taken from him -

@ David Crowe, like hell we don't. We're paying his salary as well as his retirement benefits.

Rontron: That's exactly how it is. I remember being quite shocked when I discovered how generals are made. Lower ranks are filled by promotion boards where the individual's package is graded and the best people picked for the next rank. Generals must be recommended by other generals for presidential sponsorship and then approved by the Senate. No board. No ranking against one's peers. It's all in who you know.

I hope this scumbag is convicted and sent to a prison where he can perform lots of oral sex since he likes it so much.

Jenn S-2267056 Please don't call other people "moron" when you can't even spell Court Martial.

He will probably retire and receive his pension. This sounds like the Catholic Church and their treatment of priests who commit sexual offenses. Circle the Wagons! Disgusting - what an abuse of power.

Catholics! Read the news, Rabbis, Indians, Congressmen and Women and worst of all the ex president of the US, Bush II, he forcibly stuck it to all of us. I'm still sore from that one!

Find a local showing of "The Invisible War" and educate yourself on the history and ongoing epidemic of rape in the U.S. Military. 20 percent of women in the military have reported a sexual assault. 80 percent of rapes (against men and women) are unreported. In a lawsuit against the DOD, a federal judge determined that rape and sexual assault must be deemed "incident to service."

If you live in Illinois, it will be showing in Elgin on Nov. 27 and 29.

Forced oral sex? She should have bit his penis off, assuming it was a she, he would have a tough time explaining that one.

The real question is: "Is it legitimate rape?"

Jenn,

I didn't know there was "forced sex" that wasn't rape, regardless of legal terminology. What exactly is forced sex then, if it's neither consensual nor rape?

We have to check with the commanders on the ground, who will check with the subordinates on the ground and get back to us.

It's been getting wild in the military for the last several years. A Admiral was kicked out last year and a sub commander this year. It appears that the base commander in Afghanistan was not securing his base with perimeter guards when the 15 Taliban grade school graduates tip toed in and blew up $200 million of aircraft on Sept. 14t 2012. Makes you wonder what is going on?

Yank-957120 - Yes, it does make one wonder what is happening. How could such a thing happen? Lax security, pure and simple. Whoever is in charge of perimeter security needs to rethink their procedures.

As to the "sex crazed general," let us remember that he should be innocent until proven guilty.

This could be a “he said, she said” situation. There could have been consensual sex that spun out of control. (Even consensual sex with another member of the military is out of the question.)

Maybe the female captain in question demanded certain favors and the general could not deliver. Something like that could set up a reprisal situation. (If you don’t do this, I will tell the authorities. That has happened many times, particularly in the Army.) Therefore, the general does need his day in court.

On the other hand, IF the charges are true, the general might plead guilty to a lesser charge, and leave military service.

He is accused and not yet found guilty. If investigated and found guilty, what does that say about sex abuse investigations by field grades and above for subordinate service members? It just doesn't make sense to sensationalize and accusation before an investigation is complete.

Troops have to listen to endless SHARP training and this twit pops up. He should get twenty years just for bad hair.

Wolfie,

If he was of superior rank? In Afghanistan? How many female generals are serving in Afghanistan?

A field command general, which he was, is akin to to the captain of a ship. Yes, he receives orders, but has the option as field commander to follow his own judgement. Apparently his judgement was to raid his own chicken coop and some of the hens were not happy, sending home little Easter Eggs to the Inspector General. Please note that this was not a single jilted woman or mistress, but multiple complaints of activity. Oddly, after 27 years, the general took these risks - not just the sex, but also the porn and booze. Did he really think he was so much better, or just tired of the whole thing. Retirement, AT THE END OF HIS LAST TOUR, or upon promotion (if allowed) would have been better. But as a one-star general, while he gets a flag, it isn't a top-rank position (think major store or hotel general manager in a large chain).

I fear he has thrown everything away. But honestly, I also fear that that earlier cases will surface dating back to at least to when he was a captain or major.

AG99, that is not entirely true. All ranks are boarded up to the rank of Major General (2-Star for those not in the Military). After that, it's a nominative process for promotion. You have to be selected for a position by the Chief of Staff of the Army , then it is approved by Congress. All officer promotions are approved by Congress BTW.

Also when it comes to demoting, it takes Congress to approve an officers demotion. This is why they are canned rather than demoted. When it comes to retirement, if not put in prison, he will allowed to retire at the rank he performed satisfactorily at, which would be Colonel. This would be determined by the retirement board.

My guess is that the Court Martial will consider his family and slap him on the wrist, because if he goes to jail, no retirement for them either. Unfortunately for them, he needs to be hammered, so the example is there, if not it will continue to happen.

I find it very interesting the way we treat those in high stations in life...the higher up they are, the more we ALL are asked to consider "their innocent family" members when handing out justice. The same reason Joe Paterno gave when saying he thought Penn State should give consideration to Sandusky, etc. Yet, we don't speak out at all for all the innocents we, as a nation maim or kill during our bombings, raids, etc. We NEVER say one word about the family members of those who commit 'ordinary' crimes here at home and suffer horribly once that person is in jail. Again, it's only the Uber wealthy who we should care about when they screw up...please tell me why? The family members enjoyed the perks from their spouses' employment, why not share in the shame? Just sayin'

ldo

Yep, time to "re-visit" one of our Presidents.

• "I swear I did not have sex with that woman."

Great surrogate for Mr. Obama's campaign.

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How about this one by George the IDIOT Bush:

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"

Sinclair now faces an Article 32, the Army's equivalent of a grand jury hearing, to determine whether he should face court martial on any or all charges.

They returned him to his home base from the war front in May and they still haven't determined if he is culpable?

What the article isn't telling us is that under the UCMJ "oral sex" is sodomy - a punishable crime regardless of consensual or forced. Also, adultery is another punishable crime.

My prediction: Army General will retire rather than face charges and will still receive pension.

He can't retire to avoid prosecution. The sad part is, unless they put in extra wording, even if he is reduced in rank and allowed to retire, he will retire at his highest pay grade.

I was going to say the same thing. He won't lose his pension. He may take a pension at a lesser rank (Colonel), but he won't lose his benefits.

This should not even be handled by the Army; it should go to criminal court.

Enough of this being handled by the workplace; reminds me of colleges wanting to handle everything internally.

I think he should be water-boarded until he spews out exactly what he did to end up in the situation he is in right now. And then, bend him over a barrel, bring in some convict with NO chance of parole and let him have his way with this phugly, poor excuse for an officer. Or maybe just put him out of his misery by firing squad. Aim for his nuts.

trifectapat, or the federal government handling EEO complaints that are always found for the government. The federal system has a terrible and biased record of protecting management at any cost. Once federal agency's EEO office was put into receivership due to its inadequate handling and biased outcomes even when the evidence was so solid the people committing the infractions should have been immediately dismissed. By the way this agency is in the Department of Interior. With this in mind the General will get off with a slap on the hand at most due to his position as management. The entire federal system is reminiscent of the fox guarding the hen house.

Maybe the General was over blown...

"The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind, the answer is blowin' in the wind."

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MSNBCMFE can anyone ever be over blown??

Lmao !!! spat my coffee every where thanks folks for a good laugh

I LOVE that pun...over BLOWN...that's exactly why he was in trouble...too much of being over BLOWN...LOL

Over Blown by an Underling?

Thanks for driving that one home for us portia....

i remember MY first joke...

It's only 'forced' if she gagged on it when he went balls deep.

Seriously, if he is guilty, he should be tried to the fullest extent of the UCMJ. Though seriously, I suspect some of the charges will get dropped and a plea deal will occur to include he will retire with his pension. By rights, THAT is a crime in itself.

I tried to rewrite what I wrote and of course, the website wouldn't let me. I meant he needs to be tried and if found guilty allow the maximum sentence. As a commander, he should know better and to take advantage of a subordinate is inexcusable.

Was the forced sodomy on a male or female? Did he make them swallow and that got pissed?

all of you seem to be confusing oral sex and sodomy....google it

Mike

all of you seem to be confusing oral sex and sodomy....google it

For your confusion:

sodomy

1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.

2. copulation with a member of the same sex.

3. bestiality ( def. 4 ) .

Medical Dictionary

1. Anal copulation of one male with another.

2. Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.

3. Copulation with an animal.

What confusion are you thinking of?

They can't get criminal charges because the offenses occurred in another country; I doubt the Afgani Gov't would be willing to charge him...

Military bases are NOT considered US soil (as embassies are). Which is why the military has an entire court system of its own. We can only hope that the system works and this man is punished accordingly to fit whatever crime he committed.

If the Afghanis tried him he would probably be fined, maybe flogged, and she would be subject to an "Honor Killing"

Jenn you are so wrong.. I was in the military and while stationed in Iraq during the Operation Desert Shield/Storm we had several women detained and arrested for Prostitution. Soldiers deployed overseas are subject to US laws while in US compounds to include military bases of operation no matter where they are at. However if a soldier commits a crime off of the base they are subject to both the law of the country they are in and the UCMJ.

Typically, there would be a "Status of Forces Agreement" entered into between the US and the "host country" that would detail how crimes committed by military personnel in that host country will be handled. In every case I've heard of, the host country relinquishes the right to prosecute.

Jenn - Where did you get you information?

Sigh!

In the case of Afghanistan, the SOFA, in force since 2003, provides that U.S. Department of
Defense military and civilian personnel are to be accorded status equivalent to that of U.S.
Embassy administrative and technical staff under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations
of 1961. Accordingly, U.S. personnel are immune from criminal prosecution by Afghan
authorities and are immune from civil and administrative jurisdiction except with respect to acts
performed outside the course of their duties. The Government of Afghanistan has further
explicitly authorized the U.S. government to exercise criminal jurisdiction over U.S. personnel.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL34531.pdf

CRIMES COMMITTED ON MILITARY INSTALLATIONS

Subject(s) can be Tried by Court-Martial or are Unknown

Crimes (other than those covered by paragraph C. 1.) committed on a military installation will be investigated by the Department of Defense investigative agency concerned and, when committed by a person subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, prosecuted by the Military Department concerned. The Department of Defense will provide immediate notice to the Department of Justice of significant cases in which an individual subject/victim is other than a military member or dependent thereof....

CRIMES COMMITTED OUTSIDE MILITARY INSTALLATIONS BY PERSONS WHO CAN BE TRIED BY COURT-MARTIAL

Offense is Normally Tried by Court-Martial

Crimes (other than those covered in paragraph C. 1.) committed outside a military installation by persons subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice which, normally, are tried by court martial will be investigated and prosecuted by the Department of Defense. The Department of Defense will provide immediate notice of significant cases to the appropriate Department of Justice investigative agency. The Department of Defense will provide immediate notice in all cases where one or more subjects is not under military jurisdiction unless the Department of Justice has relieved the Department of Defense of the reporting requirement for that type or class of crime.

When there is a service related connection between the accused and the victim their branch of service will normally have jurisdiction. If is a crime comitted off of military property in the US the military frequently turns it over to civilian authorities, saves them the time, trouble, and expense. If convicted all they have to do is discharge the servicemember and be done with them.

@KelvinH

Well said. Apparently, JennS has never served in our military.

Thank you, bassai, for finding the exact phrases that expressed my point. US based criminal courts do NOT have juristiction in this case or in most if not all cases involving servicemen, as I said.... The UCMJ does, so she/ they cannot press charges in a regular court.

@Kevin - I didn't say they weren't subject to US Laws, just that they aren't on "US soil" - which is different. They are on a military base or outside a base, therefore the courts that have juristiction are the MILITARY courts.

Hopefully...because that would be the best result...losing money!

They can't get criminal charges because the offenses occurred in another country;

U.S. military installations abroad are considered extensions of the U.S. The UCMJ has a lot more "teeth" to its justice system than the civilian community.

There may also be the possibility of civil suits.

@AZ Jenny,

@KelvinH

Well said. Apparently, JennS has never served in our military.

Or passed the 3rd grade.

Get Dexter--he'll do him.

Boozer, the "rot" you refer to is not limited to the military! It exists in most all places where the makeup is of men and women, men or women and children, etc.

Ignoring what has been going on for so long has made it "rampant".

It is time to stop overlooking, ignoring, turning our head, etc. and CRUSH IT!

Church

Boyscouts

Historian is right.

As if we need more proof of the rampant rot in the military

He is a sexual preditor and predator and should be punished as such. Unfortunately, because of his rank and time in service he will retire with pension and full benefits.

Ft Leavenworth: Where they make you pound big rocks into little rocks with a small ball peen hammer and then make you glue them back together to do it all over again.

What is also scary is that the 18th Airborne Corps Commander is looking at the 82nd Airborne Commander and wondering if the 82nd CG needs to be relieved of command for failing to instill a safe work climate throughout the unit...That's usually what happens; take one man down but also take the one above and the one below out too...

Safe work climate is not equal to combat/war zone...I am talking about a sexual harassment/sexual assault-free work environment...

Bassai - Somewhere out there is a two-star that is highly p-o'd because he just was tagged to be the Art. 32 investigating office

No, sh!t that Two Star Major General will probably never make Three Star Lieutenant General.

And you say that, based on what? When he was Governor he let all of the National Guard Generals get as much "trim" as they wanted?!? Or he turned a blind eye to officer misconduct? Probably option 3. You're talking out of your fourth point of contact.

I am an Obama-lover and can't stand Romney, but I don't see any reason to say that a Romney administration wouldn't punish this kind of behavior.

Cappy and Mary D...it was a JOKE...he said it because Romney said that certain things would not have happened had he been president

Oops! I missed that one!

This is the new climate of the Obama administration where anything goes. Just look at the Navy and all of the commanders that were relieved in the past couple of years. Alot of this has to do with the repeal of don't ask don't tell. These people now think they can do anything sexually deviant.

lol

Well said disabled vet 1. Thank you for your service!

It is not restricted to women.

Give me a break 10's of thousands of women in the military but all you hear is from a very small group so I guess that does make it rampant, right? Oh wait, there is the "bulk" of them who don't talk because they are embarrassed, cowed, whatever, how convenient for those wanting to label the military a sexist organization. I served with, still know many, am married to and am the father of women still in the military and/or veterans. They pooh pooh this alarmist pap every time it is paraded out by the media. In fact, my wife claims she has faced infinitely more harrassment in the private sector than she ever did in the military simply because the workers in the private and government sector tend to be older and less restrained about it. Sexual harrassment is wrong everywhere it happens but this constant slander of the military by the media and other feminist hysterics terrified that their special privileges based on their perceived second class status are about to end is getting ridiculous.......

ONCE THIS POS is found GUILTY....

STRIP him of his citizenship, seize ALL of his assets & DEPORT HIM to Syria

with the clothes on his back BUT NO SHOES !

By setting THAT example, far fewer RAPISTS will be able to terrorize our troops !

I'd like to "handle" his neck for about 10 minutes, while introducing his cranium to the concrete curb repeatedly, WITH VIGOR !

is anyone surprised? I'm not, in Viet-Nam nurses charged $50.00 compared to a viet $5.00.

Boys will be boys when in company of females in certain situations, and, BTW, girls will be girls too

It's nature, but girls have the upper hand here, so..........keep them as far apart as possible if you don't want to hear such news. I think someone got jealous and finked on the poor stupid ignorant GENERAL???? Big laugh

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You are forgetting the laws of nature disabled Vet, I too Am a viet-nam vet, 1967-69, and the law of nature is more powerful than any man made rules when it comes to that

Can't fool mather nature! , you know............

Oh great digtman! Now you're going to blame it on "mother nature" ?!!! Naturally!

When do men take responsibility for their actions and their bodies? So much for "personal responsibility!"

Dig,

Mother nature gave men frontal lobes too.

digtman1 - is anyone surprised? I'm not, in Viet-Nam nurses charged $50.00 compared to a viet $5.00.

You must have been at Saigon or Da Nang, you got gyped.

Sarah-3043284 - Dig, Mother nature gave men frontal lobes too.

Not in our "Little Heads".

If found Guilty (Due Process) this former Army General will become Prisoner Sinclair. By the way they don't break rocks anymore to be shipped to Fort Leonardwood; Prisoners build furniture, and have car washes.

I really wouldn't want to be the Article 32 Investigating Officer, no matter what your Recommendations are, your US Military Career is Over; especially pertaining to a General or Admiral (the well connected Politicians of the US Military). When I did an Article 32 Investigation before my US Military Career was almost Ended, as the other Generals and Admirals believe that you might dig up dirt on them, my only saving grace was that I was voluntarily exiled to Afghanistan, Iraq, and everywhere except CONUS and later on as a US Military Officer hold a Civilian Office with a Civilian Boss way over their heads and out of their reach.

All of you need to let Due Process of Law occur, not Public Opinion Lynch Mob Mentality, as the Court of Public Opinion can get him Exonerated.

What I cannot understand is why all of you hold the US Military to a Higher Standard of Morals, Ethics, Norms, Mores, etc. while the US Politicians (All US Political Parties) Rape, Pillage and Burn your arses daily.

Mister Fids,

Why not just hang to near-death and then draw-and-guarter him? Your vengence seems excessive, I suspect, to even his victims.

But a practical answer to your question is the Constitution, which protects all, military or civilian.

Now relax, have a beer or glass of wine, and think before you rant.

David,

Good thing what you do with those "little heads", is STILL subject to your big heads.

Bingo

Often the law is hazy in this area, in that sometimes women decide later on that they didn't want it.

Sort of like Bishop Willard retiring 5 years after the fact.... eh?

or the fake tax returns which he will file amendments on AFTER he is declared a NATIONAL LOSER...?

Repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell"

Get over yourself, Dr. Strangelove.

keck,

My wife wishes all the priest did 51 years ago was "sodomy" (which legally means any sexual contact save for penile to vaginal). As if making it "natural", makes it better than "actual" rape.

Don't ask me for my thoughts, especially about you and your apparent attitudes.

He did disgraceful acts but he should keep his pension.People in the private sector keep theirs so he should not be treated differently.

I was right, it IS a movie quote. (Googled it.)

27 years in the military = certifiably insane. They should start sizing that straight-jacket ASAP.

Beer Mug,

I know a lot of people who served and retired, so go stick yourself in a straight-jacket!

Beer Mug...thank you for your inane comments. I'm so glad to see that even idiots can use a computer.

Bingo--we have a winner!