It can't hurt to test police responses without the police knowing about it

test? yeah good idea, the cops in Arizona ( or anywhere else for that matter) haven't got anything better to do then play games with retards.........people who think like this really need to try it. then get back to us....if your still alive that is.

Good thing they didn't do this in Dixie - he would have been dead before the cops arrived

It's realistic enough that I would have shot the little bastard.

Of all places to test this. With most of the population packing a gun this kid is lucky to be alive. If I saw someone like this walking around pointing that thing at me I would have shot and asked questions later.

That's why he used his 16 year old nephew to carry the RPG, with the "Stand Yer Ground" laws he didn't want to risk it himself.

Kids these days can be talked into doing anything..........

"Kids these days can be talked into doing anything"

So can adults.

The sad thing about this is someone shot the kid he would have been arrested for not making sure that the weapon was real. Then he would have been sued by the family.

I guess you just can't fix stupid!!! At least you can arrest them. LOL Damn lucky they didn't get shot, or cause an accident. Luckily the population is still mostly Mexican down in Arizona, and the mexicans don't scare easily. Someone walking around with a weapon is normal attire in Mexico. LOL

First thing on my mind when I saw the pic, well, another terrorist somewhere in Kabul with a Grenade launcher...then I am like, wtf? A Seven Eleven in Kabul? Steet lights? No way dude...

Actually, now that I think of it, it would have been funnier if he had a big machete, and a few fake heads in a duffle bag. :-P

only one word can describe the filmmaker ,Nuts, totally Nuts, completely Nuts, out of his Nuts mind, a real nut case, Nutter than a fruit cake, has this Nut case ever had a rational thought in his Nuts mind.

Really? I good test? Dress up in a bedsheet and carry about a fake rocket launcher? Gosh, yes, this is exactly how a terrorist attack would go down. Terrorists are trying to sneak into the country every day dressed like that carrying around giant weapons.

Clearly, if the test was just to see how stupid someone could be, then, yes, it succeeded with flying colors.

You can't call the city and tell them you are going to test them and then test them. If you want to see what the police response rate is they have that data. It will tell you how long it takes them to respond on average. This was just a you-Tube prank.

Whoever the nephew is the kid of - Turley's brother or sister, bet they are MAD. My brother would do something stupid like that.

Did he have a death wish for this kid?

Where I come from the only thing the cops would have had to bring was some outline chalk and the coroner.

Don't get me wrong. Not everyone who carries is a "shoot first, ask questions later" type of person. The overwhelming majority are extremely responsible, but it's the underwhelming minority that could have made this boys life end way too soon.

Come on scientist, discover a cure for ADULT STUPIDITY before another tragedy happens. Please!

I think that all this guy proved is that most people (including the cops) are smarter than he believes. That's actually reassuring. A real terrorist would not have paraded on the street for 15 min with a RPG without using it.

Turley was charged with knowingly giving a false impression of a terrorist act, endangerment, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and misconduct involving a simulated explosive.

No, what he's really being charged with is "making the Phoenix PD look bad", and also with "not really committing an actual crime, but we need him to be guilty of something".

What this really did was show the world that the "crazy gun totin Americans" have far more restraint then anyone is willing to give us credit for. That and the fact that the police force in this nation isn't the trigger happy bunch of yahoo's everybody wants to paint them as, at least those guy's in Pheonix anyway. If you were to believe the constant rhetoric of the anti- American and anti Guns in America crowd...neither one of these guys,the kid or the filmmaker once they found him beside the kid would have made it across the street before the lead started flying from every direction. And surely when they found them standing there in the driveway still dressed up like a Taliban soldier and still shouldering the then suspected real grenade launcher...before the guy had time to explain what he was doing the "calm" police officer would have just shot them both full of "light" holes then asked the questions later.

What i'd like to see is this same thing done in the so called "more civilized" countries all over the world who hold us in contempt and ridicule for being a bunch of well armed racist murderers and see just what would have happened to these guys.

The problem here is that John Q Citizen, PC, would not have made a call to the police for fear of being charged with a hate crime for racial profiling. Unfortunately, the same would hold true for any persons that just accosted the idiot and laid him out on a slab.

Don't get me wrong. Not everyone who carries is a "shoot first, ask questions later" type of person. The overwhelming majority are extremely responsible, but it's the underwhelming minority that could have made this boys life end way too soon.

My gut feeling on that is that you wouldn't have a problem with someone carrying a handgun shooting him. Those who do so legally are, in at least nine out of ten cases, well aware of where they stand with the law and what they can and cannot do in legitimate self-defense. The real danger is the 'average Joe' at home in the yard or looking out the window who sees him and in a fit of blind patriotism and poor judgement rushes to dust off that hunting rifle or shotgun that's been languishing in the closet since sometime in the last century. There are a lot more seldom used rifles and shotguns people are 'sitting on' - many are family heirlooms that belonged to Dad, Grandpa, or whatever other ancestor - than there are people carrying handguns. To get a license to carry a handgun, in most places, you need to receive some type of briefing if not take an actual course before your application for a permit or license is approved. No such thing is required if you take possession of an old rifle or shotgun and maybe also a relatively vintage box of cartridges to go with it. A lot of times the descendant receiving such a firearm isn't really interested in guns or necessarily a user of firearms themselves, but they suddenly decide to become one under certain circumstances...such as becoming very angry at someone or feeling threatened.

Not good.

What this really did was show the world that the "crazy gun totin Americans" have far more restraint then anyone is willing to give us credit for. That and the fact that the police force in this nation isn't the trigger happy bunch of yahoo's everybody wants to paint them as, at least those guy's in Pheonix anyway. If you were to believe the constant rhetoric of the anti- American and anti Guns in America crowd...neither one of these guys,the kid or the filmmaker once they found him beside the kid would have made it across the street before the lead started flying from every direction.

I can't argue with these statements too much, but I will add that you will practically NEVER see a real RPG-7 or similar type of anti-tank weapon out on the streets in the United States. We do a pretty good job of keeping that stuff out of circulation here. However, the vast majority of law enforcement officers out there are aware that dummies and replicas do exist and are available. With that being the case, it's kind of a 'no brainer' that reports of an offensive weapon such as a rocket launcher visible in public are almost always going to be a replica or dummy and not the real thing. Very few officers will shoot on sight of one of those as a result! They do know better than that.

Seattle Sunshine

The problem here is that John Q Citizen, PC, would not have made a call to the police for fear of being charged with a hate crime for racial profiling. Unfortunately, the same would hold true for any persons that just accosted the idiot and laid him out on a slab.

Where do people like you come from? Hate crime or racial profiling? REALLY? If you see someone parading around the streets carrying a RPG and that's the first thing that crossed your mind then you need to seek counseling. No one outside of your household would have thought "hate crime or racial profiling" because stopping this person using force would have constituted neither one.

Is there no end to the number of whack jobs in America? The young man was 16, that is old enough to enable him to say this is dumb. As for the contributing to a minor, the law was not intended for this type of action. The law enforcement officials reached a little to far on that charge. As for stupid there are no laws on the books and you can't fix stupid. Stupid is just that stupid.

Preston_Burris,

It's true that you can't fix stupid.

But apparently you can still arrest it.

And as to your question: "Is there no end to the number of whack jobs in America?"

I think the answer is "no", but I'm always hopeful.

I seriously would have run him down. He's lucky somebody didn't. A couple of total tards.

"Well, sounds like good test to me, although I think the city should have been approahed first. It can't hurt to test police responses without the police knowing about it, afterall, what good does it do if the police are given a heads up?"

Knuckle head. It was a stupid test since it relies on someone calling it in.

He was obviously not a terrorist to anyone that looked at him for more than 0.5 seconds. Christ! he had a sheet wrapped around him trapping his left arm inside. LOL

I am amazed at all the charges, who would have thought that a plastic toy rocket launcher could get net you a "misconduct involving a simulated explosive" charge? LOL

"Officer James Holmes, a police spokesman, said Turley told the officer they were just filming a movie, and the officer took down their names and left".

Is it yet another typo or is it just a bizzarro coincidence that the responding officers name was "James Holmes"???? Same exact name as the theater shooter freak? That's a bit odd.

Considering that I find AT LEAST one editing error EVERY DAY on NBC news, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be just that.

As far as the idiots in the story, what the hell was their point? What amount of time was the standard score for their "test"? Also, considering the ONLY way to neutralize a threat with an RPG is to kill the person holding it, did it occur to these guys that they would die if the police "passed the test"?

Someone above said it very well, "you cant fix stupid". IMO

I would have died laughing at him. He was acting like a fool in the intersection, and anyone with a lick of sense would have realized that a terrorist would not be wandering around in a bed sheet, or acting like an idiot in the intersection.
A real terrorist would have been on the roof of the 7-11 or somewhere else, launching grenades trying to scare people.

Really? People took this seriously? And even more, the "Filmmaker" thought this was a serious effort?

floyd,

"Luckily the population is still mostly Mexican down in Arizona, and the mexicans don't scare easily."

Actually, floyd, that is statistically incorrect. 84.6% of the population of Arizona claims to be white according to the 2010 census. 57.4% claim to be white and non-Hispanic, and only 30.1 percent claim Hispanic origin. The Hispanic population of Arizona is increasing at a rapid rate, however. I live in Arizona, and, no, I'm not Mexican.

Had I been sitting at that light... I would have unloaded my .44 into him and asked questions later.

DUMB A$$!!!

L. are you a complete moron? While this idiot was running this "test" people who were actually being robbed, killed or raped were helpless....the police were running to stop this "test"...this fake terrorist attack rather than being able to help people who actually DID need their help. And geeeez are you completely clueless? Police, FBI and all other agences run these types of tests themselves all the time. They don't need some stupid idiot doing it. You are beyond ignorant if you believe that this, in any way, helped keep us safe... on the contrary it kept the police from doing their jobs and protecting people who really did need their help.

He's lucky he's not a stain of someones grille, or worse. If someone pointed an RPG at me from that range, I would not be able to tell if it's real or fake, (and, having never served and not familiar with one, probably couldn't tell up close) but I know enough from that close, evading one would be near impossible. So I would have been left with one choice, as I don't own a hand gun.

Floor it, and hope the burning mass of what's left of my truck goes straight enough to take him out too.

Amazing. How stupid do you have to be to waste the cops time with something like this? As for the people whining about racial profiling, do you really think middle easterners wear desert garb all the time? Had they dressed him in more normal clothes I be they would have had calls coming in much quicker. As is he looks like something out of a cartoon and with some clown filming it I sure they thought it was some stupid joke.

So two idiots make a video that should be titled "How to get yourself killed by the police". The kid was lucky the civilians did not run him over or shoot him.

Denver bill 2, so if the police while rushing to stop this "terrorist" were involved in a traffic accident killing several people what would you want done? That why it is against the law to do what they did. It puts people in all kinds of danger, including their own stupid @sses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6L_On-HfrU

This is what happens when you dress as Satan in California...Christians have no problem beating you up.

Everyone knows real terrorists only wear Nike's.

Lloyd: how is life in your bubble - all good? Don't seek help - we love you just the way you are.

with obama in the whites house im suprised it didnt take three hours for them to get there,and fifteen minuts is good if you live in elmira ny and your familley life is threatend it takes the local pigs an hour to get there yet if 10 dollers worth of food is stolen from the store the pigs are johney on the spot with a search team to catch the dangeris thug.heres to you ya lazzey elmira fals chargin pigs

shows how intollerint the religion that steals all the information in there books can be most if not all wars are begun by them show me a war in the past three hundred years that was started by a pegan dude dressed as satan should have whooped that stupid fu-- just for breaking his sighn you didnt see him walk up to a church and smash the sighn proclaiming gods love.

agred %100 John! Obummber will probabbly invite this guy to the whitehouse for a good laughe.

John Collins... at first I wondered how anyone could connect this event with Obama... then I noticed the grammar and spelling. I am wondering no more!

Also, I'm thinking 15 minutes is rather speedy. For those of you who don't know, Phoenix is probably the fifth largest city in the USA and covers more square miles than LA. I live in a small town in NY now and I would be lucky if a police officer got to my place in 30 minutes, no matter what is happening.

@John Collins - Please go finish the 3rd grade before you feel the urge to post again.

@CJ - Ditto.

He should have tried this stunt in NYC, with Bloomberg's finest on the beat!

did anyone else find it odd that the police spokesman's name is James Holmes, the same name as the Aurora theater shooter?

denver bill 2, so how does it feel to be the lone voice of reason here today?

MICHAEL MOORE COPYCATS!
It seems obvious to me that this guy had seen too many Michael Moore films, and thought that he too could be just like Michael Moore... making pointless points by seeing how many people he could annoy on camera.
Was this the American dream? Michael Moore thought so, and as a result he was able to suck enough people in to his fantasy world that he became a very wealthy and ironic success by actually becoming one of the very class of people he had criticized in his films. Okay Michael, time to get your check book out so you can bail this guy out! Afterall...you clearly seem to have been this guys inspiration!

LA cops would have shot them both and not asked any questions later. (They pointed a weapon at a police officer.)

i wonder if the man had also planned on the response time for survival of the boy once the five or six bullets entered the boy's body?

OldDog47

denver bill 2, so how does it feel to be the lone voice of reason here today?

Thank you. I take the collapsing of my comment as a complement.

Well for all you people who are claiming that this was a "RETARDED" test, you might want to rethink that statement. While true, it wasn't in good taste or the smartest thing you can preform, i have to wonder what any of you folks will do when Halloween comes around and you get a number of hoaxsters who want to use their constitutionally given right to dress up as anything they choose. Including, but not limited to, A TERRORIST! Grow a set, and stop living in fear, because if you don't, Islam or whatever other religion that uses fear as a form of control will already have you in their back pocket. Last time i checked, this was America, land of THE FREE. By now you should already understand the meaning of, "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION" regardless of your beliefs. If you think i'm wrong, thats your right too, but then again your probably a supporter of Obama and belive his B.S. on how we should be kinder to ISLAM, right?

@ Mickey - well there has to be at least one person in the bunch that will play the race card. Uncle was stupid to film nephew as such. And the kid is lucky that the PD or someone else did not shoot him themselves.

Pandora6: So if the L.A.P.D. would have shot them, why be afraid of a guy in a bed sheet toting a fake gun around? I think i would be more worried about the cops there since they are gun happy with REAL GUNS. Anyway's, the LAPD is a bunch of pussies as well as the LACSO. Where were these tough guy's when the riot's were going on? Hiding of course. O.k., how about the Hollywood shoot out? hiding behind walls of course. They have armour vehicles for SWAT, USE THE F#*@ing things, thats what your tax dollars were spent on.

Wow, was this a bright idea or what?! Just think about it, a cop shot a one armed, one legged man in a wheelchair for brandishing a pen! Lucky this kid didn't have a SWAT team blow his head off his shoulders from a distance!

DonnaC,

"@ Mickey - well there has to be at least one person in the bunch that will play the race card. Uncle was stupid to film nephew as such. And the kid is lucky that the PD or someone else did not shoot him themselves."

Floyd was either playing the race card or he actually believes that most of the people in Arizona are Mexicans. I guess it's not too hard to make that mistake since Arizona is on the border of Mexico, but the state is still predominantly white although the Hispanic population is growing very rapidly. Otherwise, I agree with you. That kid was lucky the police officer remained calm and just told him to put the "weapon" down. He could easily have shot and killed that kid under the mistaken belief that the "weapon" was real. And as you say, his uncle was stupid for having his nephew do that.

Lesson learned:

.. which we knew before this dumbass made this video...

If you want protection, carry your own. The police show up after the fact to file the report.

After reading these "if it was me i'd have shot him" articles a thought occured to me.

Maybe this guy was hoping someone would waste this "terrorist" and he'd have it on tape, put it on the net, go viral, and he'd get his own reality show on tv, make millions and marry lindsy lohan.

or; The shooter would hit another vehicle wounding the driver who would cause a 15 car pile-up. People would start randomly shooting each other while he kept the video rolling to cover the 20 death scenario, then he would put it on the net ....etc....etc....etc.

And to think all I had growing up was WW11 sad! I realy need a life.

I agree with Toosano. You don't need a gun. Just hit the kid with your car. I'll bet dear ol' uncle will be having Thanksgiving by himself this year.

"Turley was charged with knowingly giving a false impression of a terrorist act, endangerment, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and misconduct involving a simulated explosive."

You really have to know your post 911 laws before you do something as dumb as giving a false impression of a terrorist act and misconduct involving a simulated explosive.

What gets me is why the police waiting until the video was posted and then viewed before making the arrest since initially the "filmakers' names were taken down and the police told them to go home.

Just think how proud ORSON WELLES would be if he were still alive. We surely do live in a different world.

I would have tried too shoot the kids arm or leg personally... I think too much like sun tzu don't I(you know, make it obvios so that when you see the swat or whatever you blow them to smitherens...)?

Vyor Derfa,

What Sun Tzu tactic are you referring to? Curious.

Hey John Collins, shouldn't you and CJ be somewhere having incestuous sex?

"It surprised us that he actually put that video on YouTube," Holmes said.

Translation: "We hate it when people show us how idiotic and inept we are. That is the reason we are prosecuting."

No, I think it's more along the lines that he posted proof of his guilt on youtube. It's going to be a bit hard to claim his innocence in the court case.

Wow... what a stupid kid.

And his son is also a fool.

Like Beavis... like ButtHead.

Since so many of you are critical of law enforcement, perhaps you can do better then. Why don't you get out from behind your computer, get in shape, and go apply and try out. See if you can make it thorugh academy. Then you can be responsible for protecting the public. Easy job, huh? Not so much.

What many fail to realize is that there is the potential for every person on the street to do something to someone and there is absolutely no way you can prevent that. No city has enough money to pay for one to one law enforcement and being everywhere all the time. So get over it.

When fools like this put a 16 year old kid at risk to attempt to make a stupid point, especially in light of all the shootings and terrorist activities of the past decade, they waste law enforcement and people's time. Sure, maybe on closer inspection it looked stupid, like a Halloween costume, but intially it did not. And most definitely someone could have shot him, ran him over or been injured in wrecks as a reaction to seeing him. It was an endangerment to the kid and the public. And most definitely he should be charged, especially when stupid enough to post it.

There is very little in life dumber than a teenaged boy, especially in the U.S.

little

judging by the number of pregnant teenage girls i see i do believe its both genders, but your right.......

no kidding. It was also undeniably stupid of the adult to put his nephew in harms way like that. Hes very lucky.

15 minutes is a long time.

Which was about 14 minutes and 30 seconds more than you had to read the whole article. The police were there in 3 minutes of receiving the call.

Little Changes

There is very little in life dumber than a teenaged boy, especially in the U.S.

I do believe the guy providing the "experiment", Michael David Turley, 39, can trump that. Perhps he was trying to get on the infamous Darwin list?

The guy that made the film said fifteen. The cops said they were there in three AFTER the 911 call. That means that no one took the time out of their busy schedule to bother notifying authorities until 12 minutes into the farce to me.

skup

the original article only said15 minutes and was only about 6-7 paragraphs long. just one more article fed to us in true piecemeal fashion.

He can't find out how safe he is by testing police response time. It is documented by case law that the police have no duty to protect you. They will come and investigate to arrest a person that harms you but they don't protect you. If you want protection get a dog or buy a gun

HE was arrested for the same reasons Obama arrested Brad Manning and wants to arrest Julian Assange.

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The Phoenix Police were embarrassed !!!!

Alas, The reich-wing pundits, tea-baggers and the neo-con republicans have succeeded in making it alright to be an idiot. Are you embarrassed to call yourself a republican yet?

Lee-1447916

HE was arrested for the same reasons Obama arrested Brad Manning and wants to arrest Julian Assange.

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The Phoenix Police were embarrassed !!!!

Go back to sleep.

I agree the policeman did not arrest the man or the boy upon first investigation and discovering the reason they had done this. It wasn't until the video showed up on youtube that they arrested the man. Embarrassed I guess big time.

People either just can't read or have zero comprehension when they do. just over 3 minutes people.

If you looked at him for more than half a second and didn't realize he isn't the real deal you shouldn't not be carrying a weapon. Beside any real terrorist would have fired that rocket launcher 5 seconds after it saw the light of day, if not sooner. They aren't going to prance around an intersection with one arm trapped in the sheet they had wrapped around him..

"The guy that made the film said fifteen. The cops said they were there in three AFTER the 911 call. That means that no one took the time out of their busy schedule to bother notifying authorities until 12 minutes into the farce to me."

Good, to me it means we had 12 minutes of people that had the brains ignore this obviously not a terrorist fool. I'll also bet the call wasn't about a terrorist but a nut jobs running around an intersection.

A.ScooterTramp - I hate it when they do that!

BP-2252891 - Not to mention the guy following him around with a camera.

is it just me or is this article all over the place?

Stand and Deliver

"Alas, The reich-wing pundits, tea-baggers and the neo-con republicans have succeeded in making it alright to be an idiot. Are you embarrassed to call yourself a republican yet?"

I'm embarrassed that you're an alleged American!

Stand and Deliver: Since you are name calling.....if you are an example of a 'Dementedcrat' I am staying a Republican. You lib's always sound so uneducated. Duuuhhhhhhhhhhh

Tyler Durden: Remember your statement on Oct. 31st when your doorbell rings and some kid in a bed sheet with a plastic bag says,"Trick or Treat".

There is very little in life dumber than a teenaged boy, especially in the U.S.

I take offense to that! We know more than you think! However, that teenager was a complete IDIOT...

Tyler Durden: Remember your statement on Oct. 31st when your doorbell rings and some kid in a bed sheet with a plastic bag says,"Trick or Treat"

What? There are times where dressing up like a terrorist and carrying around a fake RPG is acceptable, one of these times is all hallows eve... when this video was shot, is not one of these times.

Psssst Georgie, if you really want to see what it is like when an uneducated person speaks (or in this case writes), see your fellow Republican, John Collins' post above. I'm sure only a Republican such as yourself is capable of deciphering it.

Preston_Burris

PI or San Diego?

LOL, that's true. I didn't even pick up on that. I feel like this will all lead back to Kevin Bacon

I noticed that too. hmmmm

So this only became a crime when the video was posted on Youtube? The responding officer took control of the situation, took their names (Dumb & Dumber?) but chose not to arrest anyone. After the stunt appeared on Youtube all of these dangerous acts had taken place? The delayed decision to pile on all these CYA charges after the fact will result in this dummy walking. It is obvious that the police commanders and political leaders are trying to cover their behinds. I trust the judgement of the responding officer who realized that he was dealing with two harmless idiots and moved on.

Simulating a crime to test police response is irresponsible and dangerous. Probably the police decided to come up with the charges after the Youtube publicity to discourage imitators. They certainly don't want citizens constantly pulling pranks like this to test them.

Exactly Robert because next time someone might get killed trying to be a copycat.

The original act would be synonymous with a false bomb threat. Will get you busted in 99.9% of the incidents.

happens everyday, people messing around with stuff like this and getting into trouble, more often than not it has tragic results. that was a stupid thing to do................understatement of the year, for sure.

Preston_Burris

"The original act would be synonymous with a false bomb threat. Will get you busted in 99.9% of the incidents."

Obviously you're not a lawyer!

Not only was this little stunt monumentally stupid and risky but what I recall of the response to the Aurora theater shootings is that the police we on the scene in something like under 3 minutes. While it's true that the first responders didn't immediately barge into the theater and attempt to engage a shooter armed with semi-automatic weapons in a gun-battle in the dark he was arrested within minutes of their arrival. According to a Denver Post timeline of events the first reports came into police at 12:39am, the were on the scene at 12:41 am and the shooter was spotted OUTSIDE the theater at 12:43 am & arrested a few moments later.

What would it take to make the idiot making this film happy? That the police barge into the dark theater with guns a blazin' (and apparently AFTER the shooter had left) and kill a few MORE innocent people? That a fully equipped SWAT team be teleported to the scene seconds after the shooting starts?

I guess if you're stupid enough to pull a stunt like this in the first place your reasons for doing it probably are going to make much sense either.

@ Hartvig - They expect the police to be able to see the future and show up before the bad guys do. anything less is unacceptable. Waiting for a 911 call and then 3 minute arrival time is just not acceptable. Ever citizen is expected to keep their finger their 911 quick dial and every officer must be ready in materialize to any location in a split second.

Gneisenau,

"every officer must be ready in materialize to any location in a split second."

You're watching too many superhero movies.

LOL Bob. I didn't say I thought they should. But you know how people are about the police. They don't want to see any sign of a police officer until something bad happens to them and then they are angry that the police weren't there to prevent it from happening.

The reality of police response is somewhat different.

Well, in all honesty, the 15 minute response time doesn't indicate WHEN somebody phoned it in to the police.

Alot of people probably drove by, saw the uncle filming it, and just blew it off as someone out having some fun and making some home movies.

It's not as if he was out walking around for 15 minutes shooting with the RPG and blowing stuff up......

Further down the article claims a 3 minute response time after the first call. If that is true I find that pretty good given who knows where any officers were at the time.

The police responed within 3 minutes of the first call. The idiot above is the one who claims it was 15 minutes.

according to the article, response time after the first call to police was 3 minutes.

hard for the police to respond to the event till they are called. the clown with the camara says 15 minutes but i assume thats from when he started his stupid stunt. the police responce is 3 minutes from the first call

Skup try some critical thinking and see my post above to your lack of it. The guy making the movie said 15. All that means is it took someone 12 minutes to phone it in.

Think!

What would have been worse would have been some concerned citizen with a gun taking the kid down.

Anyway, I'm glad that the uncle is finding out the rest of the response, namely sitting in jail, with an arrest record, and his name all over the internet for being a thoughtless jerk what with risking a boy's life, wasting police time and tax-payer money.

Couldn't measure police response time, as one doesn't know when the police were notified.

Cough up for your own lawyer, idiot.

TREASON???

Excuse me? What treason?

That movie was stupid, and I suppose blasphemous in the eyes of Islam, but it's protected free speech. It's certainly not treason. Frankly the world would be a better place if every day someone would create a stupid movie or cartoons like the French and Dutch did - so the entire islamic faith would be desensitized to it, and not murder and riot at every slight.

tynabee, You must be retarded. Making a film in an unflattering light is not treason.

They didn't arrest him for making the film. You'll notice in the article the police left after they determine he was just making a movie. They didn't arrest him until he put it on YouTube and admited to faking a terrorist incident.

I can see tynabee's reasoning-this guy was provoking a response.

"Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavour.

NOT treason.

The film maker may not have committed treason, but he did commit other crimes. He has a criminal record for identity theft or forgery and was specifically barred from doing business under false indentity. He used a fake name to hire the actors and crew. He used a fake name on the checks used to pay the actors and crew. He actively sought to deceive investigators concerning his role in producing his dim-witted project and he got a US Ambassador and three of his staff murdered. He belongs in jail...

tynabee,

It was not 'Treason', the movie was against 'Islam', not the USA... Look for another charge...

NB820,

Really? You're really attempting to draw a straight line from this incident to President Obama? Give yourself a rest. If you don't believe the President is a citizen and he doesn't belong there, that's fine. Your opinion, lots of other people too. But because Tynabee threw the word treason into the conversation you think that makes it OK for you to sound like a total idiot. Others, actual intelligent people, who believe President Obama doesn't belong in the Whitehouse look at people like you, who take every chance, (whether it be legit or not) and force their opinions on others, a burden to their cause. Not an asset.

Stick to your ramblings within your local movement and you might just find that some people might actually listen to you.

sorry XD the points you make a valid ones yet these two lack the intelligence to think that far ahead, nor evidently were smart enough to read and see what happens in most "man with a gun" scenarios when cops show up....they just got real real real lucky. now give em to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, he knows what to do.

Mornin IA.... It's scary how some just react without thinking.

But Sheriff Joe would have a blast for a week or so with these fools.

I can see the teen getting fired up as a cool stunt by his uncle. But as is painfully obvious, the gene pool in that family is in serious trouble. One can only hope they stop procreating.

I am not a lawyer but a false police report is a crime, I would expect performing an action that you expect to generate a police report of an action that appears to be a crime (dang, how to say that clearly...) would also be a crime in itself. You are distracting the police department away from possible real crimes that they need to be available to respond to.

He knew if called 911 himself he would be making a false report. So the only way to "test" the police response was to create a "false impression of a terrorist act". Sound like a pretty accurate charge to me.

BTW, it isn't his place to "test" the police reponse.

xd, well you have inciting to violence,

No person shall knowingly engage in conduct designed to urge or incite another to commit any offense of violence

disorderly conduct

No person shall, in a public place or in the presence of two or more persons, engage in conduct likely to be offensive or to cause inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm to persons of ordinary sensibilities, which conduct the offender, if the offender were not intoxicated, should know is likely to have that effect on others.

inducing panic

No person shall cause the evacuation of any public place, or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience or alarm.

if that's not enough let me know, there are probably 20 more at least.

BTW, it isn't his place to "test" the police reponse.

The police work for him and everyone else in Phoenix. You mean to tell me your boss never tested your ability when you had a job?

There were about 40,000 state laws implemented this year year alone. If officials want to charge you for stupidity, they can always find a way.

Sounds like this 37 year old had the developmental age of his nephew.

the police conduct their own tests. we may pay their salaries but how often has an employee been able to order his boss to do something like the police can do to you? they may work for us but we're not their bosses.

XDm9mm: AZ in general show me the specific statute violated by doing this stunt.

Here you go>>>>>>>>>>>>>

13-2308.01. Terrorism; classification; definitions

A. It is unlawful for a person to intentionally or knowingly do any of the following:

1. Engage in an act of terrorism.

2. Organize, manage, direct, supervise or finance an act of terrorism.

3. Solicit, incite or induce others to promote or further an act of terrorism.

4. Without lawful authority or when exceeding lawful authority, manufacture, sell, deliver, display, use, make accessible to others, possess or exercise control over a weapon of mass destruction knowing or having reason to know that the device or object involved is a weapon of mass destruction.

5. Make property available to another, by transaction, transportation or otherwise, knowing or having reason to know that the property is intended to facilitate an act of terrorism.

6. Provide advice, assistance or direction in the conduct, financing or management of an act of terrorism knowing or having reason to know that an act of terrorism has occurred or may result by:

(a) Harboring or concealing any person or property.

(b) Warning any person of impending discovery, apprehension, prosecution or conviction. This subdivision does not apply to a warning that is given in connection with an effort to bring another person into compliance with the law.

(c) Providing any person with material support or resources or any other means of avoiding discovery, apprehension, prosecution or conviction.

(d) Concealing or disguising the nature, location, source, ownership or control of material support or resources.

(e) Preventing or obstructing by means of force, deception or intimidation anyone from performing an act that might aid in the discovery, apprehension, prosecution or conviction of any person or that might aid in the prevention of an act of terrorism.

(f) Suppressing by any act of concealment, alteration or destruction any physical evidence that might aid in the discovery, apprehension, prosecution or conviction of any person or that might aid in the prevention of an act of terrorism.

(g) Concealing the identity of any person.

7. Possess, with the intent to injure another person, an infectious biological substance or a radiological agent.

8. Destroy or damage or attempt to destroy or damage any facility, equipment or material involved in the sale, manufacture, storage or distribution of an infectious biological substance or a radiological agent with the intent to injure another by the release of the substance or agent.

9. Manufacture, sell, give, distribute or use an infectious biological substance or a radiological agent with the intent to injure another person.

10. Cause injury to another person by means of an infectious biological substance or a radiological agent.

11. Give or send to another person or place in a public or private place a simulated infectious biological substance or a radiological agent with the intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten or harass. The placing or sending of a simulated infectious biological substance or radiological agent without written notice attached to the substance or agent in a conspicuous place that the substance or device has been rendered inert and is possessed for a curio or relic collection, display or other similar purpose is prima facie evidence of an intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten or harass.

12. Transport any radiological isotope or agent for the purpose of committing another act in violation of this section.

13. Adulterate or misbrand any radiological isotope.

14. Manufacture, hold, sell or offer to sell any radiological isotope that is adulterated or misbranded.

15. Alter, mutilate, destruct, obliterate or remove any part of the labeling of a radiological isotope.

16. Any other act with respect to a radiological isotope if the act is done when the article is possessed, transferred, transported or held for sale and results in the article being adulterated or misbranded.

B. The possession of any infectious biological substance or a radiological agent, unless satisfactorily explained, may give rise to an inference that the person who is in possession of the substance or agent is aware of the risk that the substance or agent may be used to commit an act in violation of this section.

C. This section does not apply to any person who is permitted or licensed pursuant to title 30, chapter 4 and 10 code of federal regulations part 30, a member or employee of the armed forces of the United States, a federal or state governmental agency or any political subdivision of a state, a charitable, scientific or educational institution or a private entity if both of the following apply:

1. The person is engaged in lawful activity within the scope of the person's employment and the person is otherwise duly authorized or licensed to manufacture, possess, sell, deliver, display, use, exercise control over or make accessible to others any weapon of mass destruction, infectious biological substance or radiological agent or to otherwise engage in any activity described in this paragraph.

2. The person is in compliance with all applicable federal and state laws in doing so.

D. A violation of subsection A of this section is a class 2 felony, except that if the court finds that at least one of the aggravating circumstances listed in section 13-701, subsection D applies, the court may impose a life sentence. If the court imposes a life sentence, the court may order that the defendant not be released on any basis for the remainder of the defendant's natural life. If the court does not sentence the defendant to natural life, the defendant shall not be released on any basis until the person has served twenty-five calendar years.

E. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Infectious biological substance" includes any bacteria, virus, fungus, protozoa, prion, toxin or material found in nature that is capable of causing death or serious physical injury. Infectious biological substance does not include human immunodeficiency virus, syphilis or hepatitis.

2. "Radiological agent" includes any substance that is able to release radiation at levels that are capable of causing death or serious bodily injury or at any level if used with the intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten or harass.

13-1201. Endangerment; classification

A. A person commits endangerment by recklessly endangering another person with a substantial risk of imminent death or physical injury.

B. Endangerment involving a substantial risk of imminent death is a class 6 felony. In all other cases, it is a class 1 misdemeanor.

13-3110. Misconduct involving simulated explosive devices; classification; definition

A. A person commits misconduct involving simulated explosive devices by intentionally giving or sending to another person or placing in a private or public place a simulated explosive device with the intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten or harass.

B. The placing or sending of a simulated explosive device without written notice attached to the device in a conspicuous place that the device has been rendered inert and is possessed for the purpose of curio or relic collection, display or other similar purpose is prima facie evidence of intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten or harass.

C. Misconduct involving simulated explosive devices is a class 5 felony.

D. For the purposes of this section, "simulated explosive device" means a simulation of a prohibited weapon described in section 13-3101, subsection A, paragraph 8, subdivision (a), item (i), (vi) or (viii) that a reasonable person would believe is such a prohibited weapon.

THANKS EVERYONE, and a SPECIAL thanks to Leatherneck918

But, Leatherneck918, gets the prize. While all made intelligent comments, it was Leatherneck918 that came through in spades!!

I have to admit, I was having a stretch seeing the issue UNTIL I got to 13-3110 which pretty much covered this incident.

See, even us old farts can learn something new.

XDm9mm: if you ever in future want to know AZ laws all you have to do is type ARS Codes (ARS=Arizona Revised Statutes) ARS are all the laws of Arizona and you can look at them yourself. Chapter 13 is where you will find most of what you need in most cases.

Talk to the Hand - You know full well that isn't how it works. You don't get create a false situation like that any more than you can yell fire in a theater to "test" how fast they can evacuate it.

I don't see anything about dressing like an Arab and carry a perfectly legal plastic Toy rocket launcher??

I can certainly see some charges for interfering in police work or something along those line but these charges are just out of line and you all should be scared they use these laws at all on us. The fact that the government can level terrorist charges on you for something like this should give pause for concern.

"Misconduct involving simulated explosive devices" ?? really? It looked like a plastic toy to me.

now give em to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, he knows what to do.

Sorry, but Joe is too busy pandering to the right wing lunatics, trying to get re-elected.

Gumps,

Who cares who he panders to, he and his officers get the damn job done!

What do you regard as "getting the job done"??? MCSO failed to investigate over 600 sex abuse cases, mainly involving underage girls - I wouldn't exactly call that getting the job done. How about malicious prosecution of political enemies? Yeah, he sure got that job done; only it resulted in millions lost in legal fees and claims, the firing of the county attorney and his assistant (Thomas and Aubuchon).

So, please - tell us what you mean by getting the job done...

Gumps: You do realize that if you read on that issue where are the town police officer at who work in those areas where the sex abuse cases were at?

I'll tell you most of them happened in towns that fired all there police force do to they were not doing there jobs or did not have the money to keep a police force.

Most of those 600 cases were handed over to the Sheriff department after they were already reported to the local police force who are no longer working. The Sheriff department did all they could to locate victims and family members to get the ball rolling on finding the criminals responsible. Yet do to most of theses 600 cases involve illegal aliens they would not talk to the sheriff department. So tell me something Einstein how the **** are they going to find the criminals responsible if the Victim and there family members will not talk to them.

So Gump how about you research the facts instead of repeating the BS lies the liberal news gives you. Might open your eyes that YOU ARE WEAK MINDED and believe any and all BS that is spoon feed to you by the LIBERAL MEDIA.

Oh really Leatherneck? Well how do you explain that you hero Joe even apologized?

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/maricopa-county-sheriff-joe-arpaio-apologizes-for-botched-cases

The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office failed to adequately investigate more than 400 sex-crime cases over a two-year period, including dozens in El Mirage, a newspaper reported Saturday.

Poor oversight and former Chief Deputy David Hendershott's desire to protect a key investigator from bad publicity led to delays for victims of serious crimes who waited years for the attackers to be brought to justice, if they were ever caught, according to The Arizona Republic.

The newspaper said that documents pertaining to a recent internal investigation released by the Sheriff's Office show that more than 50 El Mirage sex-crime cases went uninvestigated after police took an initial report. Most of the cases involved young children reportedly victimized by friends or family, the Republic reported.

The Sheriff's Office provided commanders and about a dozen deputies, who were initially greeted as a stop-gap measure to help El Mirage establish a more seasoned police force.

Concern about the handling of the cases dates back several years. However, a recently concluded investigation by Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu revealed that an internal probe to get to the root of the problem was blocked by Hendershott two years ago because it would have reflected poorly on an investigator he considered crucial to a separate case.

The Sheriff's Office said it won't comment on the mishandled investigations because it's part of an ongoing internal probe. Hendershott was placed on administrative leave last fall and was fired from his job last month.

But the Republic said the Sheriff's Office confirmed that detectives reactivated 432 sex-crimes cases from throughout the Phoenix metropolitan area after concerns were raised, making 19 arrests. Of the remainder, 115 were determined to be unfounded, 67 were classified as "cold cases" and 221 were "exceptionally" cleared without arrest.

Again where are the Town/City police forces that operate theses areas that most of the cases happened at? They don’t have a police force, staffed by idiots acting like police or underfunded making them give over the cases to the sheriff’s department.

You do realize that Maricopa County is one of the biggest counties in the USA right. To place all the blame on MCSO only is total BS. The only cases that should have been the responsibility of the MCSO are all the ones out of Town boarders, but no they also have to police hundreds of towns located within Maricopa county do to the Towns/Cities do not have a local police force or the town/cities are understaffed and do not have the right people to investigate them there self’s or just don’t have a police force.

So for ignorant people like you WHO possibly never lived in Arizona or Maricopa Country at all to say MCSO is 100% to blame for this mess is laughable. See the thing about it is that I understand Joe apologized and understands these cases fell through the cracks so to speak, but I don’t fault him or MCSO do to I know that they MCSO do not have the man power in there budget to watch all of Maricopa country by themselves. These other towns that do not have a police force or are understaffed need to man up so to speak and get a police force up and running so they can take the cases that happen in town/City limits off of MSCO like it suppose to be.

Yo, Jarhead - you're wrong on so many counts. First of all, I did live in Maricopa County. For 20 years. The last 14 were in Fountain Hills - where your hero lives.

Who gives a horse's patoot how big Maricopa County is? MCSO gets paid for providing services to towns that don't have police service. So, if you're trying to claim that poor MCSO is understaffed or that the county is Sooo big, well, that's Joe's problem - he's the one who agreed to provide services.

And along with those services is the responsibility to investigate crimes. Like sex abuse cases - especially when underage girls are involved. But Joe committed resources to things like chasing janitors at the MEsa Library at night - that's because busting undocumented workers gets more publicity that plain old investigative work...

So, cry me a river jarhead - Poor Joe Arpaio! BOO HOO!

Gumps: Hey point example sunshine Fountain Hills does not have a police force it is patrolled by WHO??? Tempe police department and MCSO.......

Yea Gump who does not know what the **** they are talking about LOOK IN A MIRROR SUNSHINE.

Fountain Hills is a Town with in Maricopa Country and does not have a police force. Guadalupe is a Town with in Maricopa country that too does not have a police force. I could keep going Gumps, but I would be here all day.

MCSOgets paid for providing services to towns that don't have police service. So ****ing what ignorant one. Look at all sheriffs departments in the USA. All take care of incidents that happen outside of town/City boundaries while the local police take care of the stuff with in the town/city boarders unless they need back up from the sheriffs department. Yet Maricopa country is the one of a few where the sheriffs department are the only one's who are responding to calls in many towns and cities do to they (Cities and towns) don't have a police force or are understaffed. Yet unlike the rest MCSO has the biggest area to cover.

Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."

Again Gumps you are ignorant and lost. Its not Joesproblem its Your problem you cant see the forest for the trees. You just hate Joe so much you cant bring yourself to understand that MCSO is not a local police force nor should it be being used as one.

Correction, for some reason was thinking of Ahwatukee and not of Fountain Hills. So above replace Fountain Hills with Ahwatukee.

Fountain Hills does have a Town Marshal, yet is patrolled by MCSO and parts of Fountain Hills is patrolled too by Scottsdale Police department. They uses too have, don't know if they still have a voluntary police force.

So again Gumps I might have confused the towns, but its still falls into Towns and Cities in Maricopa County need to man up and get there own police forces instead of passing the buck to MSCO and making using them as there own local police force.

By the way Gumps I was born in AZ lived there for 27 years out of 35, I have lived in Chandler, Tempe, Scottsdale, Mesa and few other places with in Maricopa. Fountain Hills or rich-ville as we call it and its very secluded.

Jerry: I hope they don't try.

We had a couple of guys try to cross the Portland bridge with simulated weapons (in camo) they almost got shot and the cops swarmed them. Fortunately (this time) the cops didn't shoot first. Most times that isn't the case.

We have grandmas that shoot first in this state. Not a good idea to run around with what looks like explosives. Judging from the posts I would bet this isn't the only place that could happen.

I was thinking the same thing Jerry. This was a joke on terrorism. If a terrorist does hit here he is going to try to be dressed to where he will not be noticed.. If you want to see what a terrorist looks like look at Washington D.C.

I was going to say the same thing. You want to talk about police response? Forget that, look at the ordinary citizens. So many talk BS on these forums, and yet not a SINGLE individual approached the 'terrorist' in all of 15 minutes. Apparently, even preventing terrorism is "not my job".

Isn't this the state where a Federal Judge and a 9 year old girl, among others, were murdered by a gun carrying nut? A US Congresswoman was shot in the head and many more wounded in that incident. This stunt seems so much more stupid now...

If you believe in the strict constructionists view of the 2nd amendment, then any weapon that can be carried is legal, including RPGs -and militia people are generally strict constructionists when it comes to the 2nd amendment. So the militia wold act only after the RPG is used in an illegal manner.

You mean trained like the NYPD who just recently shot bystanders? That type of training?

Did you read the article? When the first officer arrived, he told them to put down the camera and the weapon, he took their names, and left. He didn't SEE the movie! The illegal part is the narration of the movie: It was a faked terrorist act meant to TEST the police. Believe it or not, it is illegal to TEST the police.

inciting to violence

No person shall knowingly engage in conduct designed to urge or incite another to commit any offense of violence

disorderly conduct

No person shall, in a public place or in the presence of two or more persons, engage in conduct likely to be offensive or to cause inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm to persons of ordinary sensibilities, which conduct the offender, if the offender were not intoxicated, should know is likely to have that effect on others.

inducing panic

No person shall cause the evacuation of any public place, or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience or alarm.

the charges aren't trumped up, the kid could have easily been killed. there's a bunch more they can still charge him with if they want to really make an example out of this idiot.

Most states, and indeed countries, have laws against wasting police time with "sham" events. As Jerry pointed out, the crime occured when he stated his intentions. Making a movie is not illegal.

the difference is those movie makers have a license to make the movie and it is known that what is going on on that set is fake. it doesn't matter if that one charge isn't real as they have a bunch of others that are real that they can still charge him with. look at my post above.

holding a fake explosive in the open kind of negates any profiling. poor ATTEMPT at humor.

Teller-Ulam

Too bad the the the guy was not a muslim. He could have sued the Phoenix Police Dept. for racial profiling.

There are Muslims that are: White, Black, Latino, Asian...so...being a Muslim is not a race....but you knew that right?

He wasn't specifying color of skin, but you knew that right?

yea hero and your butt would be in Sheriff Joes jail

Natedizzle74d what is your IQ about 80. You are showing prejudice about the way people dress

Bob - Don't think it was the clothes as much as the fake RPG, but when you combine RPG and clothes like you see in the Middle East...not good.

Natedizzle74d what is your IQ about 80. You are showing prejudice about the way people dress

Since when is an RPG a fashion accessory?

Yoshi: I'm not defending their "laws" I don't even know if such a law exists, but they'll just say "ignorance of the law is no excuse." That is what they always say. We have laws like that in this state. "Suddenly leaving the curb" Even if the walk signal is out, you can't step off the curb too quickly, or you get cited. It's what I call a "Chippy ticket." BS ticket. There are millions of them.

even if that law was fake they have plenty they can get him for

inciting to violence,

No person shall knowingly engage in conduct designed to urge or incite another to commit any offense of violence

disorderly conduct

No person shall, in a public place or in the presence of two or more persons, engage in conduct likely to be offensive or to cause inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm to persons of ordinary sensibilities, which conduct the offender, if the offender were not intoxicated, should know is likely to have that effect on others.

inducing panic

No person shall cause the evacuation of any public place, or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience or alarm.

and shelly is right, they all say ignorance isn't an excuse.

Come on! Again, anyone with sense, which this guy didn't have, would not have someone walk around with a fake RPG, much less in faux Middle Eastern attire. So do you think this was a good idea, would this just suddenly pop into your head as a great thing to do. Nope, didn't think so. He knew better. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

And the drivers at those intersections would NOT HAVE KNOWN that the idiot with the camera was filming his own little movie, if they even saw him. If they did see him, they might have thought he saw it and started filming. Remember how often people have cell phone video or other devices with them and capture events they happen to be around. Get real.

Outta here.

Shelly, tell it to the families of dead people who have stepped off a curb to quickly.

I don't think this type of thing should be allowed. For one thing, if it was a training exercise the people driving by would not be civilians who would be alarmed by the sight. If it was me I might run him over if the gun was pointed at me. This guy might have been trying to commit suicide. Jail time humm Maybe, Definately Phsyc Evaluation