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Police chiefs are investigating an incident, captured on cell phone video, in which a woman was struck by an officer at the Festival de las Americas after the city's Puerto Rican Day Parade.
The video shows several police officers at Sunday's festival amid a crowd of people. The woman, identified as Aida Guzman of Chester, Pa., is shown being hit by one of the officers and falls to the ground.
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"You only see one vantage point, but what you do see is disturbing, I have to be honest about that," said Deputy Police Commissioner Richard Ross.
The incident happened near 5th and Lehigh streets in North Philadelphia, after the parade on the parkway. Parade organizers say they had nothing to do with the North Philadelphia event. Officials say Guzman was spraying silly string at officers involved in a traffic stop.
"The guy was out there spinning wheels and burning up tires in the middle of the highway, which is not normal. And we're out there to make sure that stopped. As we're doing it, things are being thrown, liquids are being tossed, substances being sprayed from a can," says Fraternal Order of Police President John McNesby.
Guzman was cited for disorderly conduct. Her face was bleeding as officers took her away. She told NBCPhiladelphia.com: "I feel angry, very angry. I go to someplace, got a good time and look this happen, for no reason."
Philadelphia police confirm the officer involved in the incident is Lt. Jonathan Josey. Josey has been with the department for more than 17 years and is a decorated supervisor with the Highway Patrol. He is now on administrative duty.
Internal Affairs is investigating the incident, according to police. The FOP says it will defend Josey "to the end." McNesby said people often throw things such as bleach and urine at officers, and urged people not to judge the incident based on the video alone.
Lt. Josey has made headlines before. He was exonerated in the shooting death of a Philadelphia man shortly after the man robbed a convenience store in Lower Merion in March 2010.
In July 2010, Lt. Josey was stabbed in the back while trying to break up a fight outside a West Philadelphia bar.
The executive director of Concilio, which organizes the parade every year, called on police to fully investigate the incident.
"While we have no knowledge of what led to the incident, it is clear from the video that a police officer unnecessarily and brutally struck a woman in the face," the statement read. "Even as we celebrate the tremendous advancements of Philadelphia’s Hispanic community over the decades, we cannot overlook this episode. We call on the Philadelphia Police Department to fully investigate and take appropriate action."
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That's cold! that cop needs to be arrested!.
I like to see these cops smack down some real criminals and not go after someone like her. I don't think the cop would have had the bal.s to that if the other person was as big as he was, they will only go after the ones that they know they can slap around, how sad.
I love how they have asked not to judge just by watching the tape. LOL Sorry, you can't get any better evidence than it being on VIDEO! 17 years and highly decorated is he??? Well then I guess it's time for a forced retirement. Clearly the 17 years of the job has finally caught up to his mental stability. Off you go old man, let the rookies get a turn because clearly your patience has dwindled.
Wait for Obama to chime in:
"If I had a cousin, and she was from Puerto Rico, she would look like this woman."
(Obama inserts himself into local police matters, and makes them more racially divisive, yet refuses to answer questions about our Libyan Embassy cover-up.)
No surprise here...we are steadily becoming a police state where they get away with anything they want. NOTHING will happen to this thug....
Arthur: You are a troll. Why do you have to put politics into EVERYTHING? Get help for your OCD.
Forgot your meds again Arthur? You need to take your obsession with Obama seriously before it's too late.
Who sprays the cops with silly string? What did you think was going to happen? Not saying she deserved to be hit but have more respect for police officers trying to do their job.
That cop appears to be an abuser in uniform and out you can bank on it. I certainly hope people come forward; outside the police department, to tell exactly what they saw.
You have to understand what she did to deserve it to have the whole picture. She obviously didn't come up to the officer and offer him a hot cup of coffee and he turn around and sock her. She must have done something. Why else was she trying to run?
And you all are content to condemn the officer before the investigation is complete. What is wrong with waiting to see what the outcome? Who thinks it is OK to throw anything at an officer while he is trying to protect them from some idiot in a car?
Why can't a group of people enjoy a parade and festival without having some gang mentality of violence and stupidity rule the day.
Someone should really explain to Ms Guzman, preferably in a court of law, that distracting an officer when he is trying to keep the public safe can get the officer hurt or killed. Ms. Guzman had no right to even involve herself with an officer doing his job. Silly string or water or urine or bleech it really makes no difference because attempting to distract the police while they are doing their job could get them killed.
The women did nothing, someone else threw the water at the officer as the women was walking behind them. The officer turned around and thought she did it so he went and hit her. Not sure why this article does not show the whole video. Search online for the rest of the video and you'll see what happened before he went after her.
I'm with you txmom, lets see if she really did something stupid or the popo is out of line first.
In the Video you can see some one throwing water from the back left of the woman, onto the cops..
The Super NON Water officer then attacks the closest person , this poor lady.
Pause the video and you see the water flying from behind of the left of the lady.. the rest is LOSER officer at work.
What do you do if ya cant move a belligerent water buffalo out the way? One thing is for sure, cant win an argument with them either...
Cops have to defend themselves sometimes you know...if you dont want trouble, dont f*ck with trouble in the first place
The police were doing their job. The idiot burning his tires in a crowed area could have caused a terrible accident and possibly killed people. She interferred with the police doing their lawful job. Whether she was throwing water or spraying silly string. You act like a @SS (probably a drunk @SS) the police are RIGHTFULLY EXPLAIN IT TO YOU! Why was she circling around behind the police and what was she saying? I like the way she switched from English to Spanish in the interview to play up the "poor mistreated" immigrant BS.
Sometimes I just wonder.
I bet she "Got her good time, now".
Where I live the cops would have shot her, then wrote her a ticket for littering!
The problem with today's generation is that they do not respect authority. When this officer is engaged in stopping a situation where someone is spinning their tires he is focused on the task at hand knowing that his training to be prepared for any situtation to become potentially explosive or have others get involved that need to get the hell away from there. Then you have some inbred half-wit that has the audacity to spray silly string at the officer who is already in a High PRF mode with someone spinning the tires. The officer doesn't know what just got sprayed on him and by rights she should have been cited with assault on a police officer. Because she knew she did something wrong she tried to get away. The officer gave her a lawful order to stop and since she was trying to get away and he was within arms length, he arrested her.
Assault on an police officer is a crime.
Failure to obey a lawful order from a police officer is crime.
She is lucky that is all she got.
Did he need to strike her with that level of force? PERHAPS NOT.
Was she acting when she got hit like that? PERHAPS.
Was she an dumbass for spraying @!$%# on a cop? MOST DEFINITELY.
Does she enjoy a good beat down from someone with authority? APPARENTLY SO.
Police need to be taught that in today's society the likelihood of them getting videoed during the course of their duties is all but assured and that the video that captures their actions can and will be used against them.
Having said that, I will give the officer a reprimand with counseling on the above that videos can and will be used against you, but I will continue with citing her with the misdemeanor as well as assaulting the police officer. Had she never sprayed that on him, this video would have never gotten its 15 minutes of fame.
Cowards armed and dangerous. Fire this @!$%#.
[0.o],
There are other(better) videos online that show clearly that she had nothing to do with throwing anything at the officers and it was someone else. The officer did NOT try to find out who was throwing the stuff and just assumed it was her and than slapped her on the face. The officer should be fired, period.
Holy sh!t there Doc...silly string and water, that's pretty life threatening. I 'm surprised he didn't use deadly force...then hunt her kids down and do them too.
@tontosh-
If you see police officers performing their duties such as stopping someone from causing harm to innocent bystanders by spinning thier tires, you give the police officers a wide berthing to allow them to conduct their operations without causing a distraction. Distracting a police officer can get them killed. Wrong place, wrong time. Stay the @!$%# back and you wouldn't have been within arm's length of that officer. Why did she try to run? I would say that if she didn't run she would not have been guilty. If she stayed put and THEN the officer struck her, that is an open and shut case- Officer is at fault. Because she tried to run when he tried to ascertain what just got sprayed on him-[BUZZER]- she loses.
There will be an investigation. After said investigation will be the determining factor. But even then, when nothing occurs, you will all still be up in arms. BOTTOMLINE: You see a cop and he is performing a stop, STAY THE @!$%# AWAY FROM THEM. Otherwise, you will become part of the challenge problem and be dealt with accordingly.
A cop doesn't know if it is silly string or water; a cop has to assume that it is acid, bleach, ammonia and a cop will defend himself from assault. Whatever hits a cop is assault.
Bad reporting, two years ago they were engaged to be married and separeted after a violent abusive fight to which she bit his his penis, get the whole story before you write gossip.
TK
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Nothing new here, The police have always been this way...And he will walk.
IndyTX: all it takes is a lighter: you have an officer admitted to UPenn with significant deep-tissue burns. Silly string can be considered a weapon: the contents as well as the propellant are highly flammable. Have treated both civilians and safety personnel for napalm in a can injuries.
TAKE LUNKYSTRAYDOG's advice.... WATCH THE MAN IN THE VIDEO THROW THE WATER.
At first, I was with the rest of the lynch mob ready to call for this lady's arrest.
But then I saw the guy BEHIND her throw the water at the police.
This woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time. She didn't throw any water on anyone and she doesn't have a can of silly string in her hand.
BEFORE you call for this woman's head, make SURE you see the man standing behind her throw water on the police.
Wrong place and wrong time for this woman is quickly going to become right place and right time in a Court of Law. M$. Guzman will certainly get a chance to ca$h out from thi$ epi$ode.
[0.o]
Did you even LOOK at the video? She was simply walking, up until she saw him RUNNING toward her and preparing to swing at her. Looks like a damn good reason for her to finally try to get away from this Gestapo thug. Look at the other videos out there and you can plainly see that she DID NOTHING WRONG!
Oh, wait, in your eyes she was wrong simply because she is Hispanic, right?
Police brutality! I hope she legally smacks the crap out of him. Chaching!
For those of you who think Silly String is no big deal, it's highly flammable.
What if it ignited somehow? Just sayin'.
Silly String or water, if you direct it at an officer of the law, "especially on duty, it's assault no matter how you look at it.
Creek, unfortunately because of the cop's stupid actions, that is beside the point now. Nowhere in his training manual does it show "punch in the face" as an appropriate response. So whether she was trying to be funny, trying to assault, or even did this at all, has become irrelevant.
Any bike gang would do a better job i dont read of them everyday beating women, elderly, childrem and shooting peoples dogs and killing people, what a sick world
So anyone can punch a woman in the face and get away with it oh ya only if they throw water on u
When you are a cop, you have the support of the community, you have powers that are given to you as a cop, e.g. people can get into trouble for disobeying you.
With this power comes responsibility, and that responsibility is to ENFORCE THE LAW, and not be there for your own personal, petty reasons. This also means that when someone insults you or tries to hit you, you don't take it personally. You can arrest them - not because they hit you - but because they hit someone. And most especially, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE REVENGE.
I realize that these are cutesy politically correct ideas, and many of our Republican friends think that anyone who strikes a police officer needs to be strung up and then shipped back to Mexico, but the simple fact is that we are a nation of laws.
Our system works because everyone obeys the law, and most especially that means police officers. You cannot hit anyone. No matter how mad you are at them. Period. You are a professional.
tfnj and creek, she didn't throw or spray anything at them. watch the video that shows right before the cops turn around. a guy in all dark clothing takes an open water bottle and sparys them with it, they then turn around and she's the closest person to them and they ASSUME she did it and she gets punched.
This cop is a pussy....water is assault....silly string?....I don't see her throw anything on this guy. All I see is excessive force. They're at a godamn parade, not a protest rally. This guy cold cocks her because she's the first person he sees......that's criminal. Cops don't use common sense because they have the brains of fish. They also don't ever admit fault for anything. The only people to blame for the bad reputation police get are guys like this @!$%# and the idiots that defend him.
skip to :41 secs in and watch the guy on the far left in black shorts and a dark colored shirt. he throws the water.
Byron Raum, your ramblings make no sense. And your statement about Republicans was so moronic it isn't funny. Anyway if you would have read the story they would never send her to Mexico since she is Puerto Rican, therefore a citizen of the U.S.A..
Holding police accountable for their bad behavior means getting promoted, transferred or retired on a cushy pension, while us taxpayers are left holding the money judgment bag.
Police unions are fighting it tooth and nail, but we desperately need independent Citizen's Review Boards in order to bring justice back into law enforcement.
So this MAN hits a woman from behind and somehow it's ok....What is wrong with this picture? I see many posts about the cops just trying to protect and do their jobs but really..... since when is it ok to hit a woman? And from behind at that? What a PIG!! Anyone that thinks that is ok has lost touch! I hope this guy gets taken off the force......All police are bad anymore! They are taser and gun happy and now they want to go around beating on women! Nice job POLICE!!
Cops have become thugs and criminals that bully citizens without hesitation. Right-wing nuts defend them.
This cop should go to prison for assault on an innocent woman. Even if she did throw water on this abusive cop he had NO right to physically assault her. He should be in prison, it's an easy call.
Has anyone noticed that Republicans always defend the abuse of women? I think it's clear that their Taliban-style attitudes are deeply entrenched and malignant.
I watched it several times. All i saw her do was walk over for a second then walk back. She probably had something smart to say to them. This should be called what it is, a case of black on Puerto Rican crime. You can bet your arse if was the other way around it would have read, white officer strikes defenseless Puerto Rican woman.
It wasn't black on Puerto Rican crime. It was cop on civilian crime. That being said, why couldn't he grab her by the arm since she wasn't running away. Why sucker punch her so forcefully.
michael72,
When is it ok to hit a woman? Self protection, or protecting someone else. Please go back to the stone age.
[0.o], the only one that needs to be avoided is you. Your an Idiot......
watching the footage, you can see her attempting to antagonise the officers (she comes in from the left and by appearance of her movements clearly doing so) then sprays the officer, and immediatly walks away like "it wasnt me" in her walk, knowing she had done something that would have gotten her arrested.
had this drunk crack head (who wouldnt have a shot in hell being a wife to me) been doing just as she was, she got her deserve by messing with the wrong people trying to maintain saftey, and order. the person with theis footage, just so happen to have just this part on their fone, or was their more? if this was the full segment for most part, it clearly is nothing more than a troll looking for a payout... even so, a troll looking for a payout. this woman needs to lay off the crack and booze, and spend more money on food, and would have to guess looking for a job other than harassing law enforcement.
The Overlord commented on this cell phone video...
"Cops have become thugs and criminals that bully citizens without hesitation. Right-wing nuts defend them."
On a previous posting about a father accidently shooting his son who was acting and dressed as a home invader, Overlord posted this...
"People are idiots taking the law into their own hands, call the police."
Really Overlord? Get your story's straight. First we don't have the right to protect ourselves because we should call the police to do just that.
Then you say the police are thugs and criminals.
Get real.
No fricken way was that ok to do he needs to be removed from the force. If that was my wife, daughter it would not have ended so pretty for him. If she did something wrong she needed to be arrested but his arrogant actions to smack her down he needs to be smacked down see how he likes it. I do not care what she did all he had to do was arrest her.
Boot licking Cops gives the rest of them a bad name. I was happy to see the rest of the Cops did not join in.
Not that I'm defending the officers response as it was clearly inappropriate, but would you be upset with your wife or daughter for doing whatever it was she did to incite that response?
NWA had a point.
Ya, one man3239417 you are a real tough ass.... , aren't you?
One man-3239417 Really? You against a force of cops, hahahaha the word delusional comes to mind, either that or too much TV and hollywood.
Bob Freebird No racism there, now is it? What a douche.
TO: Skup who wrote:
NO! Nothing justifies a big cop like that punching a woman in the face for spraying silly string!
And NO, it would NOT be appropriate to hit your wife or daughter like that for ANY reason!
Skup...
I seriously hope you're not married, because you'd make a terrible husband, most likely an abusive one. You should understand, to even have that mindset... is textbook for a beater.
Not one person, man or woman, should be able to "incite" such violence with Silly String! Heads up, the police in these precarious days, are NOT on the streets to protect, as evidenced time and time again, in full view of the world. So what is your problem?...do you not have eyes to see? nor ears to hear? Stand with the righteous or fall with the damned...
Hey If my wife daughter had this happen to them sure I would I would have placed myself between her and the cop . I would try to find out what happened but your damm right I am not just going to stand there with my thumb up my ARSS. Hey I would have gotten my butt kicked but they would be kicking mine not her's. Their is no way you can justify what that guy did to that lady.
If you noticed in the Video the other cops did not I repeat did not just start smacking this lady around. The other police acted correctly and responded with control and professionalism.
Oh I am in no way a tough guy but I will stand up for someone I love period. Dogs do the same thing I think many humans have been beaten trying to protect a loved one.
To: One man3239147
Good Man, One man! It's nice to see that there are some left. Mine said the same thing. And the cops standing aside...was really nice to see...although rare these days. .
Be Well...
Would it be okay if it was a man?
TO: Baldman who wrote:
[NO! Nothing justifies a big cop like that punching a woman in the face for spraying silly string!]
Absolutely NOT!
Your question is a hypothetical, in reality it was a woman who got sucker punched which is why I specified "woman".
It would NOT be ok even if it were a dog!
Quite honestly, if this was a video of a woman spraying police with silly string, I'd have little problem with this cop slugging her in the face. I'd probably giggle my arse off at her stupidity!
That said, it's CLEAR from the video that it was the person BEHIND Ms. Guzman who threw the water on the police. This woman didn't do a damn thing to that cop. AND THERE IS NO SILLY STRING!
When she wins a big cash settlement, I'll giggle my arse off at the Philly Police department's stupidity.
skup, that is like saying my wife burned my dinner, so I punched her in the face. Would my action be an appropriate response? Say she did throw water.. under what circumstance would getting punched in the face be appropriate? If you did that, you can be sure you be arrested and charged with assault, or domestic battery, with closed fist.
Harold, under that reasoning, if silly strings deserves a punch in the face, what does a soda get you? Shot? You are condoning an inappropriate action just because the first one might be considered rude. There is no situation I can think of that justifies this cop punching anyone in the face.
First of all, this woman did NOT throw, or spray, anything. Second, this POS cop already has 20 internal affairs investigations against him to citizen complaints of brutality. Time for him to be demoted to private, and then fired.
TFNJ... you made rash assumptions. Just because I would LAUGH at a person stupid enough to spray silly string, doesn't mean I believe that a reprisal assault by police is deserved. Of course it's not deserved. I am not condoning an inappropriate action, I'm only admitting I would giggle at it. Especially if she did spray silly string.
But she did NOT spray anything. The silly string is a ruse to distract us from the FACT that the man standing behind Ms. Guzman threw water, from a water bottle, and Ms. Guzman paid the price.
Now I'll giggle at the police for being so stupid. Just because I'm giggling at their stupidity, doesn't mean I agree with the amount Ms. Guzman will inevitably win when she settles her case.
Harold,
That is what I responded to. Did I make a rash assumption?
LOL...that's easy money for that lady ( besides a bloody mouth). No doubt that cop got the wrong person..easy to see the lady was walking over to see what was happening and then a guy in back of her threw some liquid..she turned around to walk back because she got hit with the liquid also..but the cop thought it was her who threw it..giving a person a sucker-punch is being a coward (and its a women)..plus this cop had no right to assault this lady no matter what she did..just arrest her not punch her in the mouth!
American Girl-724855 - I did not say it justified the cops response nor did I say it was alright to hit anyone but the cop didn't just turn around and say to himself "Hmm, I think I'll go slap that lady in the face." She said something that sent him right past reason. Again I'm not saying the cops response was in any way justified. He is clearly in the wrong and should be fired and charged with assault.
Holding police accountable for their bad behavior means getting promoted, transferred or retired on a cushy pension, while us taxpayers are left holding the money judgment bag.
Police unions are fighting it tooth and nail, but we desperately need independent Citizen's Review Boards in order to bring justice back into law enforcement.
After looking at the Video on Yahoo I can see at .39 a man wearing a dark coat shorts and shoes on the left hand side of the screen toss something clearly liquid.
This placed the Lady between the person tossing the liquid and the police. The lady starts moving off after getting hit first then the Police feel it.
The LT seen her first and moved quickly to her and smacked the wrong person.
He is still in the wrong first for hitting someone like that then
second hitting the wrong person.
The FOP says it will defend Josey "to the end."
I think this statement from the article says all we need to know about how this will end - another slap on the wrist, and another reason why MOST OF US don't respect cops and never will.
For all the good they do (and they do) when they defend people who are OBVIOUSLY in the wrong, they lose all our respect...and rightfully so.
I honestly dont know how any self-respecting officer stays on the force after witnessing a gross abuse by their fellow officers in excusing obvious criminality...
and punching someone in the face, is clearly criminal.
I get it, they get stuff thrown at them...act professional.
and frankly, based on this video, they were arresting the wrong person...yet again why they lose our respect...because they react without knowing all the facts, and think they are justified in arresting WHOMEVER they want to hold SOMEONE accountable for a crime they know was committed but cant be proven who did it.
Jessica:
The reason self respecting officers continue to allow this criminal behavior by fellow officers to exist is because by speaking out, they lose the support and backing of the rest of the department and the leaders of those departments condone it.
That sorry, woman-beating, excuse for a man deserves to be charged with assault!!! That is not how a police officer (or a man) is supposed to act! He is a disgrace to his gender, his profession, and to humanity.
It was a bumble-bee...........
(Okay, only people who have seen the movie National Security would appreciate that!!)
Appalling behavior by the officer. Just goes to prove , the motto of protect and server is laughable. I am more appalled by the response of the FOP. How can you view this and justify the officers reaction. I fear the police as much as I do the criminals.
It was really meant to protect and serve themselves.
The police officer should be charged with felony Battery, not just slapped on the wrist and fired. If you as a citizen had punched him in the face you would be facing 5-20 years for Battery on an LEO. Legalized crime is what this is and they get away with it. What a shame.
This is why cops hate cameras. This highly decorated officer got away with this type of thing hundreds of times even with witnesses they just take the cops word. This is the way most cops are they think they are above the law. One thug cop down 500,000 to go.
Yes, over and over and over and over again.
If you see one cockroach, there's usually hundreds more that you don't see. By his reaction and lack of restraint, this wasn't his first rodeo.
To Americangirl
Well here's an idea: If you don't want a cop hitting you, how about you avoid hitting/spraying the cop first? I know, craaaaazy idea....
I think anyone who crosses that line, man, woman, or dog, should first be knocked out by the cop and then arrested on two counts: stupidity (hitting someone who's trained to confront violence), and physically assaulting an officer of the law.
Baldman:
Haven't you been reading the posts where better videos have been viewed and it clearly shows this woman DID NOT do anything, it was the man behind her who threw some water?
Debi,
There are two discussions going on here.
First, is whether it's okay for a cop to hit someone who physically provoked him/her, and
Second is whether it's okay to mistakenly hit an innocent person you wrongfully assumed to be the person who physically provoked you.
To the first, my answer is yes. To the second, my answer is no.
In this case I do think this cop should be punished, but ONLY because he hit the wrong person, and most definitely NOT for his instinct to physically retaliate.
Thanks for clearing that up Baldman.
Unnecessary use of force. At most, this abusive police veteran will face no more than a short vacation from work.
As the reporter stated, without witnesses, this becomes a case of he said / she said. Courts will almost always accept a police officer's version of events as the true and accurate version over a civilian's / detainee's version.
Lt, do the right thing, apologize and resign. Do no belong on the force if you can not control your anger. Nothing she may have done with spraying water, if at all, justifies your brutality.
what a maggot.hopefully he will get shot.
Yeah, thats about as appropriate as hitting someone for silly string.
She should have ducked.
You are an ignorant douche bag.
Douche bags are complaining that they aren't as douchey as Brad
Brad: Wow, I would call you ignorant, but that would be giving ignorant people a bad name.
Such serious responses to brad. You peeps should try some humor every now and then and you might actually not sound so ignorant.
Punisher: Brad's other comments make it infinitely clear he was not joking. So go call Brad's mommy and she can help you fight Brad's battles too.
Shelly,...I've been noticing your jabs...Bad form girl. Giving jabs without context, doesn't get you anywhere, nor educate others to your stance and why. Everybody's done it at some time or another. But the one thing it does do, is make the one doing it, look like they're 13. Give it a rest hon.
Be well...
Northern: Thank you. I will take your comments to heart and will follow your advise. Your wisdom is appreciated!
At least not walked away with her back turned.... ;o) Gotta keep those baby blues open...
Good goin Shelley! It's great to have a voice, let it be heard... :o)
Be Well....
Northern, don't talk about educating others till you learn how to properly use commas.
Proper commas educate? , Sure whatever,,, I'm not writing a thesis here buddy, It's a post , get over, it ,,,,,....,,,, lol
Did the cell phone video show her spraying silly string on the cops who were trying to process a traffic stop?
If this was just a traffic stop situation, why were there so many cops on the scene prior to her being struck? There's a lot we aren't being told so far....but in any event his sucker punch was uncalled for.
Just arrest her.
It's not a sucker punch if the other person initiated the physical escalation.
I watched the video, in it's entirety, on one of the Philadelphia news websites, and it looks like where the silly string, beer, whatever it was, did not come from her. If you watch the full video closely, the object is thrown from behind her from her left side. She has her arms down, which would indicate that she didn't throw or aim anything at a police officer. She was walking across the street when somebody behind her threw the silly string, beer, or whatever it was at the police officer, not her. For the police officer to come up to her, and hit her in the mouth with his fist was also dead wrong too. It's one thing to apprehend someone whom you think did something to you, but for a police officer to actually hit a woman with his fist is wrong as wrong can be.
No. Care to guess why? Because there is NO silly string. It's just a ruse to distract people from seeing the man BEHIND Ms. Guzman throw water on the police, only to have the police mistakenly respond as if Ms. Guzman threw it.
I went back and looked at the film several times--YES, there was a can in her hand! Go look at it again--several of the shots show it.
Who cares if she threw silly string or water or not.....NEVER should a cop be hitting a woman or anyone for that matter! This was totally uncalled for!! And the force stands behind this woman beater? What a joke, yet they will be there to arrest a citizen for domestic! HYPOCRITES! These men in blue are just one big GANG!!
I hope the woman beating pig goes to jail and gets what he really deserves in there, no gang with guns to back you up then ! See how badass the lil piggy really is when the tables are turned and hes locked in a cage.
Paid leave, investigation turns up nothing, self-defense according to the other cops, maybe a small settlement for the victim, and everything goes back to normal.
LisaC... I stand corrected. You are right. She has a can of something in her hand.
In nearly every society when those charged with ruling and enforcing those rules become the biggest criminals the people rise up demanding change.
The last time this happened on our soil our country was born. It is time to take the Declaration of Independence to heart and reinstate its principles.
At the same time we should reinstate the U.S. Constitution while ridding our country of the (UN) Patriot act.
Is it me or is there a reason the word RIOT is so prominate in the word PATRIOT?
Because being "Patriotic" by definition, is also the voice of dissension against the corruption in the government.
Patriotic means to defend our country against any and all enemies of our country, and that includes our own government. That means BOTH sides folks. The Dems and Repubs are the same...and what they do is, Theatre". There is no "election". It's a "Selection". By the people? Not hardly? How long have the poeple of this nation been duped? Since it's inception.
I like the last statement of my favorite news guy on YouTube, Suspicious0bservers...
"No Fear, Eyes Open"
"people rise up demanding change"
Thats what we're being primed to do. The question is when and at what expense?
She obviously was up to no good, they said she sprayed something on the officers. It looked like an open-hand slap also, not a punch. If she was innocent why did she all of a sudden turn and try to get away? I think this is a non-issue, she got what she deserved - subdued, arrested, and charged.
It is not a matter of what she did. The protocol is clear. OFFICERS CANNOT USE EXCESSIVE FORCE. PERIOD. She was trying to back away from him when he struck her. Even if she did assault the officer previously (which is in question) he cannot hit her if she is not advancing on him and is not a clear and immediate threat. He messed up.
He gives all good officers a bad name. Bad cop, no doughnut. GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL. Do not pass go, do not collect your wages. Fire him. Since he is a higher ranking officer, find out if he has taught his subordinates "misbehavior" tactics and retrain them. They could be a liability as well.
It is time for due diligence and risk management. Stop letting bad cops run wild. Police your own.
Police brutality this is what we call it. He could have arrested her without hitting her, she could have had a broken neck, arm or God know what else could had happened to her. What he did shows how he handle people behind the doors. He should lose his job for doing it to her, it does not matter if it was open hand or not, no police are supposed to hit someone. It`s violation of humans rights, USA are the example for the rest of the world, if we let it slip we can not defend humans rights around the world.
This happened in Philly, where they play whack a mole on their melon and put'em in jail. Not Portland where criminals are asked, "please will you come to jail when it is at your convenience. We have ice cream." lol
Brad: You obviously know nothing about Portland. Read the news much? The Feds were just here because Portland has a habit of SHOOTING citizens and using excessive force, repeatedly.
Yes, multiple cops busted by the feds in Portland for multiple counts of excessive force. Portland is not a calm city at all. Lots of serious violence and terrorism, gangs, etc.
Your ignorance is showing.
I work in LE in Portland.
We don't serve ice cream. We put our life on the line every day. I don't like bad cops, they are a danger to all of us, cops and civilians alike. They give us all a bad name.
I agree. She did something to make 5 or 6 cops that had thier backs to her, quickly turn around and go after her. I know the police do not always do the perfect thing, But I would rather take my chances with them, than idiot's who get in the way of the police doing thier job.
@Shelly:
When someone assaults a cop then they can be subdued "by any force necessary" to protect life and limb. She sprayed something at them, therefore she was subdued. I would agree with you 100% if she had not done something that could be considered assault herself prior to the slap in the face, and she was not backing away either, she was running the other direction trying to get away after doing whatever she did.
When cops are in an environment like that they have to act quickly before things get out of hand. If you've ever seen a crowd get out of control you would know why. People will do things they would never do by themselves in a mob situation. No, it wasn't pretty, but please keep an open mind until ALL the facts come out.
Joe, you agree that she did "something" to make the cops turn around? Really? Could it have been the person that actually THREW WATER that made the cops turn around? Did you notice that the other cops didn't attack anyone because they couldn't see what happened? Did you watch the video before trolling?
We don't know the whole story, as so often is the case. This officer is working! He is on the job during a public event...an already heightened state. Officers don't know what will happen during such public displays but, they do know that there is NOTHING THAT CANT HAPPEN.
I have a very difficult time believing that of the 9 officers I can count in the picture, all of them are just going to stand by and watch this veteran officer unnecessarily beat a woman. However, I can believe that officers are going to stand by and make sure that a fellow officer is not in danger. I can believe that the woman probably was spraying an (at the time) unknown substance on officers and refused to follow directions that were given to her that would protect her and the officers.
I will reserve judgement until all the information is available. I thank our LEOs for their dedication to a thankless job where their life is on the line every single moment of every day. A job that even their family can be targeted. A job where they don't make enough money for the incredible type of work they do. God bless them and their families!
Just in case anyone is wondering... NO, I am not a LEO.
twodogs: You are sadly mistaken.
As a member of LE I am going to inform you, you have no clue what the protocol is on excessive force. You can only use force "equal to the direct threat at hand, in the immediate situation."
Your post is full of opinion NOT FACT.
AAAAAA.... You are the weakest link... GOOD BYE...
Why is it that when people are trying to make a case for this abusive cop, they use terms like "sprayed substances" at the officer, or "threw an unknown substance" or some such bull@!$%#?
If the officer can not recognize silly string for what it is - a party favor intended for laughs and good times - then that officer should not be in a position of authority over a parade. Most likely the lady was a little tipsy and having a grand old time, spraying everyone around her. I have done much the same at parties all over the world. I sure as hell wouldn't expect to get hit and hauled off to jail for it, no matter the circumstances.
Sure, she should have kept it to herself - but it was a @!$%#ing party. Come on. That cop just wanted to hit someone, found the excuse and did it. End of story.
And its SILLY STRING... not some "substance". Tricks with words are tantamount to lying IMHO. The only reason to use such tricks is to try to justify something that is inherently unjustifiable.
"As a member of LE"
Hahhahahah, does LE stand for Lesbian Enforcer?
Punisher: Law Enforcement you ignorant racist A$$. And I'm not a lesbian. My husband would like to meet you.
Shelly, whoa, chill, thepunisher was just making a little joke, which was neither ignorant or racist, it was simply a joke.
Why would your husband want to meet him?
Working in Law Enforcement is a brutal job and without much reward at all - I commend you for doing the work. It seems like the only time LE gets noticed is when people want to point a finger at them for something wrong, without realizing that these men and women go to work everyday not knowing if they'll return home safely.
@Shelley: What area of LE are you in? Metermaid or dispatch? You obviously know nothing of use of force protocol yourself. I worked in a state prison and when you use force you can use whatever force NECESSARY to subdue a fleeing felon. You're real quick to start hurling personal insults when someone doesn't agree with you, maybe you should go write a few parking tix and get it off your uh, chest.
sleepin: Perhaps you find it funny that many think all female officers are lesbians, but most women in the force do not. Have a good laugh. "The good old boys club" in the state prison when he worked may work for you but most professional officers frown on it.
twodogs, fleeing felons have different protocols than on the street citizens. care to guess why genius?
SleepinSadie,
A joke? you think it's funny? or better yet, not ignorant or racist? Calling someone by a sexual slur... It's along the exact same lines. A not-so graceful dodge there girl....no excuses for it.
Hatr Hurter,
Anyone committing a felony and trying to avoid law enforcement is a "fleeing felon", and the laws are the same whether they are trying to escape prison or on the street already. Thanks for the compliment though, yes I am a Mensan.
And Shelly, you never answered the question: What agency are you with and what is your job? Last time I went through Portland the sidewalks looked like an outdoor rehab center.
I want to see the 30-45 seconds of video BEFORE the punch was thrown. Looks like this has been edited for maximum sensationalism to me. I can't believe the person with the phone only started recording at that point in time. I suspect they have the "rest of the story" recorded and either they or the news services aren't sharing it with the public.
Picture a possible scenario (not in any way saying this happened, just something that would change the whole tune of things) - party-goer starts spraying some unknown stuff on a couple of policement executing their duty in dealing with a dangerous traffic situation. Cop tells party-goer to stop. Party-goer thinks it's fun and continues. Cop gets to a point he can arrest the party-goer for interfering with a police officer and possibly even assault ... party-goer tries to leave and gets stopped. I'm not sure even this scenario justifies the punch, but there's so much missing from the video you just cannot know at this point. What I do know, is that what was shown is just enough to incite riots - thanks again to wonderful, complete?? reporting.
You are kidding, right? Do you see this woman as a physical threat to the police officers? Do you see a weapon in her hands? Did she kick one of them? The fool throwing water is a man. The cop has his back to this woman, so he cannot possibly see who threw water or sprayed "silly string". (Wow, both of those things are SO dangerous.) Simply because she tried to walk away when the enraged coward turned around does not mean she did anything. His assault on the woman is not justified regardless of what he thought she did. The fake charges will be dropped because there isn't a single shred of evidence against her. The cop didn't see what happened, either. she will collect a large sum of money form the taxpayers because this coward lost his temper and slapped this small woman to the ground while her back was turned...
There are additional videos available on the source's website NBC 10. The video is grainy and terribly shot, but it looks like she has something(s) in her hands and she walks up to the group of police officers and appears to do something because she stops suddenly, then turns around and leaves very quickly. The officer yells at her and she turns her head back but doesn't stop. If she actually touched them in any way with anything, that is assault of a police officer and most suspects get decked when they commit assault. That is especially true of cities with high rates of citizens committing police assaults (like Philadelphia). It doesn't matter if it's man or woman or if they have their back turned after they commit the assault.
The best thing to do is gather more information before coming to a rash conclusion. The video that appears here is heavily edited and is missing a lot of footage that the other video shows. Even watching the second video, it's just too difficult to come to a conclusion as to what she did to them. The officer does have an excellent record of service on the force and no prior issues with abusive power.
You are a clueless idiot. How about you actually bother doing some research if you're going to spout off, instead of making assumptions and passing them off as fact?
There have been over 20 complaints and/or investigations against him in regards to police brutality. Over 20! No prior issues, huh?
Ol_Doc
Holy sh!t there Doc...silly string and water, that's pretty life threatening. I 'm surprised he didn't use deadly force...then hunt her kids down and do them too.
The thing is the cops don't know what it is, liquid acid looks like water, and if you let one person get away with interfering /w an arrest it turns into a mob and before you know it everyone starts throwing bottles and other objects and you end up with a friggin riot. Especially with alcohol being involved, and this guy in the car they are stopping could be carrying a gun or knife, and this cop has to put up with this dumb ass standing behind him spraying stuff on him, should never stand BEHIND an officer anyway when he is trying to detain someone, the guy was already stabbed in the back once. And she said she was there having a good time,. to me assaulting a police officer and basically being an azzhole isn't my version of a good time. Lets say she sprayed that stuff, distracts the cop, then while cop is distracted the guy in the car they pull over gets out with an automatic weapon and starts shooting the crowd first thing ppl would be criticizing is why this officer didn't take a more aggressive stance with this lady Also you could see he was telling her to stop, she starts running, what do you think is gonna happen?? What makes her think she is so special she doesn't have to stop when a cop asks her to? She deserved every bit of it, what ppl are forgetting is if she had minded her own business none of this would have happened to her.
Hey Cranky, 20 complaints and 0 so far have been found to be actual abuses. In a city with plenty of scumbag neighborhoods, it isn't uncommon to see this. Anyone looking for a quick payout will always file claims of abuses, then lawyer up and try to strong arm payouts from the districts. There's actually lawyers around here that advertise no upfront costs and their "expertise" in handling police brutality cases. I wonder why there are so many claims against the officers that work in the worst areas of the city?
I've lived and worked in some of the worst of the Philly area almost my entire life and see what these officers go through every single day they work. People yelling and screaming about how much they are being abused as the officers struggle to place cuffs on this individual resisting arrest only to see it in the news or news papers two days later this low life career criminal filed an abuse claim against that officer. It goes into the officer's record regardless of whether or not the claim is true and wastes tons of resources to find the answers.
I'm a F**k the Police guy as much as many of us here, but these men and women in the city have to deal with a lot of bad stuff and overwhelmingly, they actually do a pretty decent job.
Regardless of whatever the woman did, the abusive nature and force used by the officer displays a lack of self control and shows how brutal and destructive this man who upholds the law was with this woman. There are numerous other ways he could have handled this situation without literally blasting her in the face with enough force to cut her open drop her to the ground. UN-F#$kingbelieveable~!! HE SHOULD BE FIRED WITHOUT SEVERANCE OR ANY FORM OF PAY FOR HIS ACTIONS~!! His wife should also feel comfortable enough to tell the authorities he beats her also if he's married because im sure he's done it before to her and his kids. No one strikes a woman like that unless its natural to them. It obviously was for him sick B@#tard~!!
This is either flat out assault or excessive force. You can't just punch someone in the face. If we could do that maybe the planet would be a better place, but we can't.
Country where people hit people on the face is where disharmony exist. I love our USA for the good democracy and humane behavior we have. NO HITTING,PLEASE.
Looks like he was trying to grab the can in her left hand, caught her head instead. Perhaps not pressing charges for interfering with them during the stop and not checking her immigration status is enough "compensation".
The lesson, DON'T GET IN THE WAY DURING A TRAFFIC STOP, all you're doing it putting yourself and others at risk.
If she hadn't acted like a complete dumb-ass, nothing would've happened. She created the chain of events that lead to her having a scraped elbow. Poor baby. Here's a band-aid. You'll get over it.
sonoma - heres a better idea - Pigs need to go to dc and harrass them, not making petty traffic stops to harass regular people
How is it that it is always the black or Mexican who has trouble with the law always, always there is someone just so handy with a camera phone, or some other device right there at the right time. Never when it is any other race.
Steven: Why do you have to bring race into it? Your over generalizations are ridiculous. That is garbage and you know it.
This isn't a race thing, this is a bad cop thing. There are many videos of all colors and cops in conflict.
Your racism is showing.
I guess it is because the justice over look toward Black Africans and Mexicans. Sorry guys!
Because we don't trust them like white people do, Stevie. Beside without any proof people like you will take their side.
How is it that it is always the black or Mexican who has trouble with the law always,
It's not always black or mexican...pay attention and try to keep up.
Steven, It was a parade several people will always be filming. And today, if you haven't heard everyone has a video on their cell phones. Are you really that naive?
Steve, What do Mexicans have to do with this story? This was an event taking place after the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Are you even aware of who Puerto Ricans are? Do you have any idea at all? Do you?
Steven100 How is that even dumb people such as yourself know how to use a computer less get online? That is the million dollar question.
Steven sounds ignorant as ever!! Please don't post anything!
That silly string is some terrifying stuff. Cops should turn in their mace and arm themselves with some of it.
Why dont you spray your face with silly string and light a cigarette and tell us how not scary silly string is...
Phil: OH, now you are going to change the situation. No cigarettes or lighters were involved. Pure fantasy on your part.
Let's not play the "what if" game.
I saw a video of a kid at his birthday party. As he went to blow out the candles on his cake, probably 10 or more, another kid shot silly string at him. The stuff is extremely flammable and burned the kid pretty bad.
Silly string? Where is the silly string? Did you see any silly string? Does that woman have a can of silly string in her hand?
Your eyes aren't deceiving you. There is NO silly string. There is only water, thrown from a water bottle by a man standing right behind Ms. Guzman.
Don't be played by the Philly PD's lawyers. It's their job to introduce doubt against solid video evidence.
WHOA! I got some serious egg on my face.
My eyes deceived me. I now stand corrected. Ms Guzman clearly has a can of something in her hand.
Silly string is Napalm in a can. I witnessed and susequently treated 2 civilians and a police officer for serious burns during a mardi gras/carnivale event. All it took was a lit cigarette of a nearby reveler to ignite both the liquid and the propellant. Bear to extinguish, even harder to treat. Burned through officer's duty jacket.
Some police jurisdictions consider any aerosol to be a potential weapon. Why do you think every avation security force worldwide treats all aersol as a banned substance?
She obviously had it coming. How stupid is it to throw silly string at an officer making a traffic stop? To tell you the truth, it doesn't even look that brutal to me.
Oh, you must like so smacks in the face if you think it was not that hard. For Gods sake, she ended on the ground. He`s a eff idiot for doing it to a woman.
Twenty cops for a traffic stop. Load of BS. And cops are held to a higher standard. This cop will lose his job and the lady will get paid. When you hire criminals to be police, this is what you get.
Yeah, there weren't even any visible marks on her face. It looked like he just clotheslined her. Probably well-deserved.
Dimples: You apparently did not see the videos of the blood streaming out of her face. No visible marks. Who died and made you a detective?
Police officers put their lives on the line every day. This woman provoked and continued to provoke until she got what she deserved. I guess you think that the officer should just lie down and take it until she pulls out an assault rifle or something. He only subdued her and he was right in doing so. Maybe she will have a little more respect for an officer in the future.
Yeah, I saw the blood coming from her lip. So she bit her tongue or something. There were no marks when they interviewed her. Only the elbow that she shows.
Dimples: I know what I'm talking about. I work in LE. Don't try to justify a bad cops behavior. It give all cops a bad name. It won't make people respect officers it will make them hate them and take revenge. Don't be ignorant, that behavior gets good cops killed because people think all cops are bad. Others seek revenge.
You know nothing about this cop. According to the article, he was highly decorated. I really don't care if you work in BFE!!
Dimples: And you know him?
I know of several "highly decorated officers" that were arrested for sex offenses and at least two that were arrested for murder. You just never know. Stereotypes are a Bitch.
Portland, Oregon isn't BFE, we are in the USA. What planet are you on?
Wow, you just can't contain your ignorance, can you?
TO: Sheila-846240 who wrote:
It looked horribly brutal to me, her face was bleeding, he busted her lip, and if she had hit her head on the pavement when he knocked her down it would have been much much worse.
Your comment kind of reminds me of that time Mike Tyson got arrested for beating his wife, and his defense was that, he knows how to beat his wife.
Where is the silly string? I didn't see any silly string. This woman doesn't have a can of silly string in her hand! Where is your evidence she has silly string, other than "officials say"? "Officials" are trying to protect the Philly PD by introducing doubt against strong video evidence. Trust your eyes, there is no silly string.
Really? Did you reach that conclusion watching the same video I watched? I saw a woman standing there and then some guy from BEHIND her throw water on the police. Then the police cold-cocked Ms. Guzman. I certainly saw the man behind Ms. Guzman provoke the police, but the video doesn't show Ms. Guzman provoking a damn thing!
Show of hands......how many of you people live in or around Philly?....Don't judge unless you've walked the streets in this town or in Jersey......did anyone notice that she did not speak english?....First off these people come over here and want us to bow to their every need........sit on welfare and have a dozen kids and who's paying?????you are.......I assume that her mouth got her in trouble.......Im on the cops side.....screw her as far as you people telling everyone she didn't have anything in her hand........look again she dropped the can out of her hand when he decked her.....I say they deport her back to where ever she came from.......this is why our governments going under......free handout to wet backs that come here with their hands out.......so go ahead cuss me out .....call me racist i don't care....i call it like i see it.....i worked for years and Im american......I get no help they walk in speaking chicken scratch and get whatever they want........your in america speak english ass......we dont want to hear all that babbling.....they are worthless.....useless moochers.......You go Philly cops put those people in their place.....don't let those spics run our streets and belittle you
Sheila and Dimples don't think that's a punch..I guess they must be female boxers. Looks to me like a big dude with a long reach catching a much smaller woman in the face with a right hook as she walks away from him, turning her face a bit over her shoulder to look back. She got hit hard enough to make her mouth bleed and make her fall on the ground, which is a pretty firm hit (for those of you who haven't been punched in the face recently). If he was ready to punch her anyway (which looks likely from the speed of his response), she's damn lucky she was turned away and moving. If she had been standing there facing him, that punch would have been a lot more damaging. That's nasty enough to suit me.
Yep, that's Filthadelphia. Hope I don't have to drive through any time soon. If I get pulled over for a traffic stop, I'll be expecting the left hook from the window as I turn to get the insurance card out of the glovebox.
Why was she arrested for disorderly behavior? Just for the hell of it? No she was in the wrong, she wants to act like a misbehaver than she must be able to handle this. Nowadays police have to be shot first before they can act.
I think he over-reacted, twice.
That's how some cops roll. Bust someone in the chops without legal cause, and cover it up with an arrest for disorderly conduct; then try to settle by dropping the charges in exchange for a full release of liability.
Bobby Ray5, you surely hit the nail on the head!!!
I'm thinking of becoming the Puerto Rican "Al Sharpton". Think this is a good case?
Henry-3041802,
She was NOT in the wrong! She did NOTHING to this moron, who already has 20 complaints against him for excessive use of force. It was the man behind here that threw thee water, and she had no silly string. Completely innocent victim of this loose cannon of a cop. A perfect example of why some are called pigs.
I know plenty of good police officers, this goon is NOT one of them.
Bad cop. No donut.
Thewoman got what she deserved and for all of those bashing the cops here I pray that one day you need a cop and no one shows. You're all garbage. The criminal here legally?
I am in LE and I think he is an A$$. BAD COP don't want him on my force. No need for jerks like him. Her legal status has nothing to do with it. You can't judge legal status on color anyway.
You can't use excessive force because someone "looks like they are here illegally." Newsflash: There are white people here illegally.
Hey Jeff, you obviously flunked geography. Puerto Rico is PART OF THE UNITED STATES. Puerto Ricans have every right to be anywhere in America because they are AMERICAN CITIZENS.
Why don't you comment on something you actually know about?
Bells, Puerto Rico is NOT a State. It's a U.S. Territory.
American-Girl..
Puerto Ricans are still 100% American Citizens. Except for a few minor exceptions (such as not being able to vote for POTUS) they have the same rights as any other American Citizen. In fact, this November, Puerto Rico is having an election to determine if they will become a state, become independent, or stay an unincorporated US territory
Now with that said, I am still curious about what may have happened just prior to this incident. it's hard to tell if she did or did not throw anything as the video starts at an odd place. There are several others also recording on their phone which would be of curiosity to see.
Now withstanding the officer does appear to use more force than necessary
American Girl:
He didn't say that Puerto Rico is a state. He said it was"Part" of the United States. It Is. It's a Commonwealth of the US. One doesn't need a passport to go there, because they ARE citizens. They abide by the laws of Congress, they vote and will with the presidential race. But they're also said to have a basic amount of autonomy for their island.
@American Girl,
People from Puerto Rico are still American citizens. Doesn't matter that it's not a state, it's still a commonwealth of the US. They have all the rights of a US citizen, because they are US citizens. I think American Girl doesn't know much about America.
I know this is wrong but why can't she speak English? They do not need to hold parades for foreign countries/people - this is American soil - maybe she needs a good English class so she can communicate with our police officers - not the other way around as the liberals in our society believe.
Uhhh.....Puerto Rico is a U.S. Territory.
Dick: Because our laws say ENGLISH is not the national language. This is a country where ENGLISH was brought here from a foreign country. Try to keep up with history.
Your dumb #$% never heard of freedom of speech and lawful assembly? Go get a life. The issue is a police officer that struck an unarmed women. It's irrelevant what language she speaks.
FYI it was a Puerto Rican Parade. PR is a US Territory. Than Again.... a lot of people do not think that Hawaii is a state.
Dick, This was after the Puerto Rican Day parade. What other country are you posting about? Perhaps you should get a little more education before further exposing your ignorance...
Just like I believe an IQ test should be required to obtain a driver's license, I believe an IQ test should be required before posting to an online forum.
MJ, that would just ruin reading some of the stupid things people believe and post. Akin, Palin, they would all be silent. Don't ruin it with intelligence and, God forbid, manners.
MJ: Actually I think that would be great! Sure would cut down on the number of posts not to mention TROLLS.
Geez! There are Puerto Ricans who are U.S. Citizens! They can have a freaking parade, and hopefully without getting punched in the mouth by a cop.
TO: Dick227 who wrote:
Yep, I guess that's why they call us "liberals" because we don't believe that women should be punched in the face because she can't speak english, which is obviously intollerable to wacked out nut jobs.
American Girl,
Being punched in the face crosses party lines. Liberals are just as deluded as the Republicans!
When are people going to wake up and notice that in this day, the political parties are one. The only reason they don't like to "appear" so, is because the ploy is to have us all turn on each other. A simple "divide and conquer' strategy and they're laughing all the way to the bank...literally. While they're saying how stupid the sheeple are.
Well if the shoe fits....
So quit being so dog-gone stupid! Do you have eyes to see? or ears to hear?
Stand with the righteous or fall with the damned...
MJ1986,
So let's start with you.
An IQ test, shows only what an individual is capable of, not what they actually do or don't do with their brain. I knew a Korean dishwasher at our local rural Alaskan cafe. This guy was off the charts math genius with an 160 IQ. He was happier living a simple life with a family...he didn't need the other life of intellectual fame like so many. To me, he was kind and funny and very simple. To the locals, he showed his brilliance not by flash, but by goodness and a humble spirit.
So much for the IQ theory....
Hey Dick,Ever heard of Commonwealth!!
Dick227: The United States does not have an official national official language. English is considered the de facto language but there is no official language at the federal level.
I think the moral of the above responses is, don't be a Dick.
Look to me like he was trying to grab the can of unknown contents and she moved into his hand. He was doing his job
Joe, don't you mean her face got in the way of his fist? It's a good thing her head didn't get in the way of that pavement or there could have been an even larger tragedy.
LOL, I'd like to see Joe getting kicked and punched by a cop next time he speeds. They are just doing their job, right?
a better comparison is joe simply minding his own business and then getting cold cocked out of the blue since the woman didn't throw the liquid, the guy beside her did.
Joe are you saying she attacked the Cop's fist with her head?
No I am not saying that. Imagine you are a cop with a hateful crowd throwing unknown substances at you and you see someone with an spray can, you try to remove it from her hand to stop further assault upon yourself and coworkers. She was trying to doge his grab and moved right into his hand. I remember a time not that long ago when we were all applauding the police and fire fighters, remember that? it was post 9/11, I miss those days when people had respect for those putting their lives on the line for us.
Cheering a job well done is one thing Joe, but allowing one to punch me in the face for any reason is another. You need to zoom in your broad view a little. This woman was easy to detain without undue violence. He is twice her size, and there were multiple cops there. He had no need to hit her in the face. It was all due to anger on his part, and he needs to be scrutinized.
again he was trying to grab the can not hit her
I would like to see the video from the beginning. Obviously it was started just after the event that sparked his reaction.
Was much of a smack....caught her by surprise.
Cannot wait to see the beginning of the video....I wonder is this is another editing by MSNBC (as usual) to get viewers upset and pretend they are unbiased and on your side.
What a Joke.
No, this is not an MSNBC editing job. Go see the video on other websites before you post your conspiracy theories...
you don't need a different video to see what happened. this one shows a guy beside her in all black throw water then the officer responds to the closest person to him which was the woman.
The woman just happens to shoot silly string at the LT. while the man next to her throws water on him. Do you know what happens to silly string when hit with water? The police should arrest her as a criminal and a little poke should help her gain a little respect for authority!
The woman had no weapon on her and I honestly didn't see anything that looked like she was a threat at all. Smacking her in the face was uncalled for and the officer needs to be fired. Not even sure about the claims that she threw water at them or whatever but I've seen 2 versions of this incident via youtube and I did not see anything in her hand. Shame on the officer for striking and unarmed woman.
No man should EVER punch a woman in the face. MUCH LESS a police officer. He needs to be fired. Talk about abuse of power.
True,It looks more like a woman hitting another woman...he's a freaggin prick...
Why is everybody getting so worked up? You know how this will end, He is a Cop, What he did will be justified and he will be cleared. Happens all the time. Move on people nothing to see or be done here.
Jai: Don't you think it is time we put a stop to that before it happens to you or one of yours? Apathy only works when it doesn't involve you... but you just never know when you will be the one.
Extremely dumb move by that cop. No need for that....fire him!!
With out a rush to judgement it appears that the LT. went over the line in his actions. A thorough investigation is warranted to establish all the facts to determine if the punishment dished out fit the crime. Cops are notorious for using resisting arrest with out violence to make an arrest legal under the law. I say after all the I's have been dotted and T's crossed the officer will be charged with a crime and Ms. Guzman will file a civil suit against the deepest pocket. In this case the city. The police are the oldest gangs in the country. What a scum bag.
Philly cops are the worst - I know, I live here. Hell, they even said it on an episode of Barney Miller back in the 70's.
I hope she gets some good cash from this.
I can only imagine the outrage if the cop had been white & the woman black. The Osamabama would surely be commenting for his campaign.
2001: Why even go there? If there was such a thing as a race card YOU would be the one playing it now.