LAPD chief: We'll stop holding some undocumented immigrants for feds

Days after California’s governor vetoed a bill that would have let local authorities ignore federal requests to hold undocumented immigrants for possible deportation, the Los Angeles police chief has decided he won’t comply with the requests in low-level cases.

Police Chief Charlie Beck said Thursday that he had to craft a program that would serve his community.

"It strikes me as somebody who runs a police department that is 45 percent Hispanic and polices a city that is at least that, that we need to build trust in these communities and we need to build cooperation or we won't be prepared," the Los Angeles Times quoted Beck as saying.


Out of 105,000 annual arrests, the Los Angeles police get about 3,400 requests, known as detainers or holds, from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, The Los Angeles Daily News reported.  The holds are part of the Secure Communities program, in which the FBI shares fingerprints of those arrested with federal immigration authorities, who determine if the persons are legally in the U.S. or if they can be deported due to a criminal conviction.

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Immigration advocates say the holds cast a wide dragnet that has ensnared even those who had committed minor crimes or no offenses at all. But ICE has said the program was instrumental in helping enforce immigration laws and in getting violent offenders off the streets.

Nick Ut / AP file

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck: "Community trust is extremely important. It's my intent that we gain that trust back."

“The LAPD is proposing to no longer grant an ICE detainer request without first reviewing the seriousness of the offense for which the person is being held as well as their prior arrest history and gang involvement,” according to an LAPD statement.

The department was developing a list of criminal offenses, such as public nuisance and low-grade misdemeanors, that in its view don’t meet the program's intended purpose.

Under the LAPD’s new proposal, those arrested for low-grade misdemeanors won’t be held for ICE unless the person had a prior felony arrest or was a documented gang member. The person also won't be held without additional information from ICE. The police will still honor detention requests on felony and high-grade misdemeanor arrests.

About 400 ICE requests annually could be ignored under the new policy, Beck said, adding that City Attorney Carmen Trutanich had informed him that police could legally refuse to honor ICE detainer requests, according to local media reports.

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Beck said he believes in some cases, the detentions have unnecessarily split up families, Reuters reported.

"Community trust is extremely important," he said. "It's my intent that we gain that trust back."

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Late Sunday, Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed the Trust Act, controversial legislation similar to what Beck has opted to do. Beck said his new rules, which he hopes to implement by Jan. 1, were in the works before the governor’s veto, the Daily News reported.

In his veto message, Brown said he could not sign the bill because under it, “local officers would be prohibited from complying with an immigration detainer unless the person arrested was charged with, or has been previously convicted of, a serious or violent felony.

“Unfortunately, the list of offenses codified in the bill is fatally flawed because it omits many serious crimes,” he said, adding that he would work with lawmakers to improve the legislation.

Several counties and cities have enacted ordinances that limit police cooperation with federal immigration authorities, The New York Times has reported.

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ICE says it prioritizes the deportation of those who present the most significant threats to public safety, and that it has deported more than 147,400 convicted criminal undocumented immigrants, including more than 54,200 individuals convicted of violent offenses such as murder, rape and the sexual abuse of children, under the program.

“Over the past three and half years, ICE has been dedicated to implementing smart, effective reforms to the immigration system that allow it to focus its resources on criminals, recent border crossers and repeat immigration law violators,” ICE Deputy Press Secretary Gillian Christensen said Friday in a statement to NBC News. “The federal government alone sets these priorities and places detainers on individuals arrested on criminal charges to ensure that dangerous criminal aliens and other priority individuals are not released from prisons and jails into our communities.”

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  • 62 votes
#1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

We need to buid a human mail tube type tunnel like at the bank drive through. Yep, your illegal and we don't care if your offense was jaywalking. Step into the tube and I will whoosh your Gringo A back to your Mexican homeland.

Quick and easy. This LA police chief should be fired before 5:00 today.

  • 54 votes
#1.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:24 PM EDT

Beck your such a TRAITOR....

This is exactly the reason why we have laws in this Country and guess what if you are here illegaly then you are Breaking the Law and Need to Be Deported.

You need to be Fired for being a Traitor

  • 52 votes
#1.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:43 PM EDT
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You know, you're really only angry at yourselves....

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:52 PM EDT

Attention all illegals! Come on over, we don't care if your here illegally or even break our laws. PFT!

  • 21 votes
#1.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

Question. What does the law say?

As I understand the situation, the office of the LA Chief of Police is an office in which the incumbent is supposed to uphold the law, not interpret it. Interpreting the law is the responsibility of judges.

Also, as I understand the situation, the current office holder had to take an oath to follow, protect and defend the constitution as a condition of assuming office. If he had refused to take that oath, he would not have been allowed to take office in the first place. So now, he wants to violate his oath of office? I think not.

Yes, by all means, fire this man before 5:00 PM. His job is not to interpret the law. His job is not to decide which ICE detainer he will honor and which ones he will not. His job, the job that he took an oath to do, is to enforce the laws as they currently exist on the books. Nothing more. Nothing less. Period. End of discussion.

Pick up your check on the way out sir, and don't bother reporting for duty on Monday.

  • 49 votes
#1.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

@ Dough

You know, you're really only angry at yourselves....

really?

It's called following the rules 8) I didn't enjoy going to downtown LA week after week to visit the naturalization building for @!$%#s & giggles.. I followed the rules and it took 7 years but it payed off.

The majority of Americans are angry at the politicians for being traitors to the Constitution they swore to protect.

  • 45 votes
#1.6 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:25 PM EDT

Beck needs to be immediately removed from his position. It is not up to him to interpret the law or decide which laws to enforce or when to enforce them. By his actions he has violated his oath and should immediately be removed. If the federal government asks local law enforcement to detain someone that request should be honored. Beck has gotten to big for his britches and thinks that he now has the authority to defy these request. It is time for him to join the ranks in the unemployment line. The last thing LA needs is a police chief who thinks he is above the law!!!

  • 47 votes
#1.7 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

Big Al u r so right!........ILLEGALS ARE ILLEGAL! SIMPLE!

GO HOME!

NOW!

  • 35 votes
#1.8 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

"the Los Angeles police chief has decided he won’t comply with the requests in low-level cases."

Are we a nation of laws or not? How is it that everyone charged with enforcing them can now decide which ones they enforce? Change the laws if you don't like them, but you swore an oath to enforce them. Do your job!

  • 51 votes
#1.9 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

How the hell can this man be in charge of a city's law enforcement if he's going to pick and choose what laws to follow? Fire him.

  • 40 votes
#1.10 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

"It strikes me as somebody who runs a police department that is 45 percent Hispanic and polices a city that is at least that, that we need to build trust in these communities and we need to build cooperation or we won't be prepared," the Los Angeles Times quoted Beck as saying.

"It strikes me as somebody who runs a police department" and does not enforce the laws isn't do their JOB!.

"It strikes me as somebody who runs a police department" and does not enforce the laws is not a Police department but a militia with their own agenda!

"It strikes me as somebody who runs a police department" and does not enforce the laws is corrupt & pandering to those who are breaking the law!

Chief Beck, Let me give you some advice that I learn during my 20 years in the Army. Suck it up sponge lips

  • 33 votes
#1.11 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:04 PM EDT
wire557Deleted

I think there will be a Mexican 1992 Los Angeles riot brewing somewhere if the Mexicans and Hispanics keep getting bullied like some and if that riot erupts, it is not going to be as simple as 1992 riots.

    #1.13 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:49 PM EDT
    wire557Deleted

    All the LA gangs are going to unite including Hispanics and blacks against the others. Mexican Mafia, Mara Salvatrucha, Surenos, Nortenos, Nuestra Familia, 18th Street and LA will probably burn and turn into a race riots. Mexicans don't just lie down and take a beating like the African Americans do and it won't be a video game.

    • 2 votes
    #1.15 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:55 PM EDT

    Permit me to translate this DESPICABLE public servant's appalling comments:

    "It strikes me as somebody who runs a police department that is 45 percent Hispanic and polices a city that is at least that . . . [WE ARE PLEDGING TO SUBVERT FEDERAL LAW AND GRANT SPECIAL TREATMENT TO ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS]"

    Say What Now? So Beck, you disgusting conspirator, because you have a department that is 45% Hispanic--- you need to pledge to violate federal law because Hispanics are insisting that members of their ethnicity be immune from and receive special treatment with respect to American law????? I have never heard of an ethnic-based immunity from the rule of law. This is profounding INAPPROPRIATE!!!

    THIS CLOWN NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE. A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

    • 19 votes
    #1.16 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

    We need to build trust with these Drug Smuggling, Human Trafficking, School Droping Out Of, Food Stamp Stealing, Medicaid Defrauding, 5 Anchor Baby Creating, Tattoo Covered Mexicans?

    • 11 votes
    #1.17 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:58 PM EDT

    I think this guy needs to have every victim of an illegal alien spit in his face!

    • 12 votes
    #1.18 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:59 PM EDT
    wire557Deleted

    Jim Bowie to Davy Crockett at the ALAMO just before being murdered: "We need to build trust with these Mexicans."

    • 8 votes
    #1.20 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:09 PM EDT
    wire557Deleted

    tom111

    All the LA gangs are going to unite including Hispanics and blacks against the others. Mexican Mafia, Mara Salvatrucha, Surenos, Nortenos, Nuestra Familia, 18th Street and LA will probably burn and turn into a race riots. Mexicans don't just lie down and take a beating like the African Americans do and it won't be a video game.

    ANY PRESIDENT WITH BALLS:

    "Rioting Mexicans in California today means bombing Mexico City tomorrow!

    • 7 votes
    #1.22 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

    Then we'll call the 82nd Airborne in. We'll see how long those criminals last.

    This isn't the corrupt Mezzikan military we're talking about. I'd also be a good excuse to clear 'em all out.

    Probably that will happen, but when that happens or is happening say goodbye to LA, Hollywood, banks and hotels and will be the end of Hollywood and LA as it is known today and it won't be a simple law enforcement, nice flowery homeland security fed deportation issue. The US will go back in another depression and recession.

      #1.23 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

      Critics slam LAPD for easing illegal immigrant deportations: LA TIMES

      The Los Angeles Police Department has come under criticism from some corners after Chief Charlie Beck announced that hundreds of illegal immigrants arrested by his officers each year for low-level offenses would no longer be turned over to federal authorities for deportation.

      "What the LAPD is doing is making federal law enforcement decisions, usurping federal law," said Janis Kephart, national security policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies. "These policies create chaos where you absolutely need continuity of enforcement."

      But other praised the move.

      Pablo Alvarado, director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, and other supporters of the vetoed Trust Act, praised Beck and tried to position themselves for future negotiations with him. "We look forward to working with the police chief … to craft a policy that protects Los Angeles from the disruptions caused by the dangerous" federal laws.

      Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials declined to address Beck's policy change directly, but seemed to bristle somewhat at the move.

      "ICE has been dedicated to implementing smart, effective reforms to the immigration system that allow it to focus its resources on criminals, recent border crossers and repeat immigration law violators," agency spokeswoman Virginia Kice said in a statement. "The federal government alone sets these priorities and places detainers on individuals arrested on criminal charges to ensure that dangerous criminal aliens and other priority individuals are not released from prisons and jails into our communities."

      Beck said he hopes to have the new rules in place by the start of the new year. They first must be approved by the Police Commission, a civilian oversight board.

      Beck portrayed the move as necessary to counter federal laws that require local police to share information with federal immigration officials about arrests. Federal officials review that information and each year request that police departments detain thousands of people suspected of being in the country illegally. These laws, Beck said, have "a very valid core premise: That you should use the power of the government … to keep and increase public safety. And you should do that by targeting the most serious and violent criminals.

      "Unfortunately, that has not always been the case," Beck said, adding that immigration officials fail to distinguish between dangerous criminals in the country illegally and illegal immigrants suspected of committing petty crimes.

      That heavy-handed approach, Beck said, "has eroded the public trust." The erosion of that trust is hurting the LAPD's ability to police effectively in a city that is home to an estimated 750,000 illegal immigrants, Beck said.

      The challenge for police in a city with such a large shadow population fearful of contact with authority figures is not a new one. More than 30 years ago, the LAPD adopted Special Order 40, a guiding policy that barred officers from making contact with a person solely for the purpose of determining their immigration status. It was an attempt to assure illegal immigrants that they could come forward as witnesses or victims of crimes without fear of deportation. Beck said his proposed reforms would reaffirm that principle.

      "It strikes me as somebody who runs a police department that is 45% Hispanic and polices a city that is at least that, that we need to build trust in these communities and we need to build cooperation or we won't be prepared," Beck said.

      Currently, the LAPD sends ICE the fingerprints of every person it arrests and books, roughly 100,000 suspects each year. In about 3,400 cases, Beck said, the agency requests the LAPD to place a 48-hour hold, known as a "detainer," in order to give federal agents time to take the individual into custody. The LAPD has honored all of those requests in the past.

      Under the new plan, however, the LAPD would not keep people in custody for immigration officials if they have been arrested for certain nonviolent misdemeanors. Beck said the details of who would be affected are still being worked out, but listed offenses such as illegal vending, driving without a license and drinking in public as examples of the types of crimes that will be exempt. Documented gang members or anyone with a violent criminal past will still be held, he said.

      Beck said he had sought a legal opinion from City Atty. Carmen Trutanich on whether police had the authority to ignore ICE detainer requests. He said Trutanich recently advised him that police do have such discretion.

      The move comes on the heels of Gov. Jerry Brown's decision this week to veto the Trust Act, a proposed law that would have gone much further than Beck's proposed changes in barring local law enforcement officials from cooperating with federal authorities in detaining suspected illegal immigrants, except in cases of serious or violent crime.

      Beck acknowledged his proposal would leave advocates on both sides unsatisfied.

      "What I'm doing won't go as far as what many want and it goes much further than other people think I should go," he said.

      The erosion of that trust is hurting the LAPD's ability to police effectively in a city that is home to an estimated 750,000 illegal immigrants, Beck said.

      WTF!!!!!!!

      750,000 illegal immigrants,

      • 10 votes
      #1.24 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:23 PM EDT
      wire557Deleted

      ANY PRESIDENT WITH BALLS:

      "Rioting Mexicans in California today means bombing Mexico City tomorrow!

      It won't just be a Mexican riot. I'm pretty sure the African Americans will willingly participate in the riot also.

      • 1 vote
      #1.26 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

      I'm waiting to see how long it takes Obama's DOJ to file suit for not enforcing the federal policy? The answer...they won't...

      • 11 votes
      #1.27 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:45 PM EDT

      tom111

      ANY PRESIDENT WITH BALLS:

      "Rioting Mexicans in California today means bombing Mexico City tomorrow!

      It won't just be a Mexican riot. I'm pretty sure the African Americans will willingly participate in the riot also.

      Mexicans are stealing from blacks just like whites. I would think the black would be fighting Mexicans.

      • 8 votes
      #1.28 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:50 PM EDT
      wire557Deleted

      That @!$%#head is playing politics, and ignoring our laws. Someone needs to tell him his job is to enforce the law, not to legislate it.

      It looks to me like he cares more about winning elections than anything else. Fucnk him.

      • 7 votes
      #1.30 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

      We won't deport our illegals, we won't ask for ID at the voters polls, we will give them welfare, free medical care and education. As for you blasted Americans who's done everything right (so you thought), you'll be forced to move over, foot the bill and be given less rights than those criminals. Oh yeah and don't forget to learn to speak their language because they refuse to assimilate and speak ours.

      • 14 votes
      #1.31 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:24 PM EDT

      Days after California's governor vetoed a bill that would have let local authorities ignore federal requests to hold undocumented immigrants for possible deportation, the Los Angeles police chief has decided he won't comply with the requests in low-level cases.

      California needs to change their State's motto to: "Welcome to the land of the _________" — (you fill in the blank).....if I did, I would be banned from Newsvine.

      So, you have an Illegal Alien (Immigrant) [SAY IT LIKE IT IS] in custody and a deportation order and REFUSE to deport him/her ? And this is coming from LAPD ? Yep, watch who you get back into custody very, very, very soon.

      That is like this administration NOT ADMITTING we have a war on ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.

      Heck, sounds like the DOJ (lawyers for hire) and the DHS (our borders have never been more secure) have infiltrated the LAPD.

      • 2 votes
      #1.32 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:00 PM EDT

      Beaner gets picked up for "low level crime", is asked for his name, "Juan Sanchez". Chief looks up Juan Sanchez, nope, he's clean. Released. Gets picked up again, asked his name, "Jose Gomez", Chief looks up Jose Gomez, nope, he's clean. Released. Rapes and kills a 12 year old, gets picked up, asked his name, "Alberto Baca", Chief looks up name, nope, he's clean. Released.

      • 5 votes
      #1.33 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

      I think I'm going to leave this country then sneak back in so I can get all the free goodies all the illegals are getting.

      • 9 votes
      #1.34 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:43 PM EDT

      L.A. doesn't want to put a hold on illegals in their jail system because it costs money.the Feds do not reimburse California for all of these immigration holds.If Beck has any other reason then he should be fired.L.A. was congested 10 years ago but now it is a congested cesspool thanks to the mayor and his minions.

      • 1 vote
      #1.35 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 12:18 AM EDT

      The LAPD goes out of their way to shut down voter aproved potshops becouse it's still against Fed. law yet go against Fed. law when it comes to ILLEGAL immigrants. obama has something to do with this as he is the king of bypassing laws that he don't like.

      • 3 votes
      #1.36 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 7:50 AM EDT

      “The LAPD is proposing to no longer grant an ICE detainer request without first reviewing the seriousness of the offense for which the person is being held as well as their prior arrest history and gang involvement,” according to an LAPD statement.

      Sounds like a rational and practical compromise to me. Most of the above posters sound like hysterical nativists straight out of WWII Germany...protect the white race and, in this case, English language no matter what.

      The LA Chief has to deal with the real world while the complaining keyboard warriors have no real skin in the game and seem to forget that part of being American means having empathy and compassion.

      • 1 vote
      #1.37 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

      What a crock! Beck wants to maintain community trust but he is willing to ignore and/or break the law to do so. Bet this guy is a big fan of Eric Holder and has no business being in the job he has!

      • 3 votes
      #1.38 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

      I'll bet LA RAZA put a nice big check in the mail for the Chief!

      That's how they launder those drug dollars. Through "harmless" non-profits and churches!

      • 4 votes
      #1.39 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

      A call from OBAMA:

      " I don't want any Latinos arrested until AFTER ELECTION DAY! But if you have to arrest Latinos, let me give them a deferment and the DREAM Act in advance."

      • 4 votes
      #1.40 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 1:01 PM EDT
      Reply

      Another victory for La Raza?

      • 28 votes
      Reply#2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 1:38 PM EDT

      Yes it is important to regain the trust of illegal immigrants.What kinda statement is that??? Bring our troops home and we can focus on saving our economy by getting immigrants hands out of the pockets of government. Heck I can not even get a break after paying taxes for 45 years. Ok back to work so all you blood suckers can surf the internet . Gee I am starting to sound bitter.

      • 6 votes
      #2.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:18 PM EDT

      Ok back to work so all you blood suckers can surf the internet . Gee I am starting to sound bitter.

      Yeah...and while surfing the internet...go figure.

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:15 AM EDT

      Burning Brightly:

      First you've got to get MAD.

      Say "I'm as MAD as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

      • 1 vote
      #2.3 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 12:58 PM EDT
      Reply

      As part of the 53% paying federal taxes, father of 2 hispanic children, spanish speaker, and a person that will vote for Obama, I think every federal dollar should be with held from Los Angeles. This is partly the presidents fault, if you don't like the law then change it, don't decide which ones you will or will not enforce. In my little way, I will avoid LA, I travel about 10 months a year and I will just avoid it, my little way of saying UP YOURS

      • 28 votes
      Reply#4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 1:53 PM EDT

      Agreed, on all points except who we are voting for. The beauty of this country is our protection via a sound legal and enforcement system. Without trust in that system, things will become very dangerous very quickly. Staying out of cities that won't enforce our laws is a good idea.

      • 26 votes
      #4.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 1:58 PM EDT

      Dan--that is funny. Glad you can still support your man, wow, enough said. There is no hope for America!

      • 10 votes
      #4.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

      Remember, Obama's administration has deported as many illegals in 4 years as George Bush did in 8 years.

      Don't get me wrong, BOTH parties want illegals to stay in this country. But don't blame Obama without knowing the facts. Obama's Justice Dep't is deporting illegals at a rate nearly double that of George Bush.

      The way I interpret this article, the police chief is basically saying:

      The fact that you are here illegally isn't even on table. We won't even consider that as a problem.

      The fact that you are here illegally and have been arrested for a misdemeanor isn't really a problem either.

      I'm sure I should be outraged, but then I reminded myself, "When are cops ever concerned about what the law says anyway? The law is what they say it is."

      Essentially, what the LA Chief of Police has declared is that LA is now a Sanctuary. Once you get there, you're safe, EVEN IF YOU ARE ARRESTED. I would imagine this is very good news for those looking to come here. Now they know where to go.... SANCTUARY!

      • 9 votes
      #4.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

      Harold, Obama has little or nothing do with exporting illegals.THe crackdown came following 911. Obamas answer is amnesty right? then lets let the illegals drive and vote! go california!

      • 11 votes
      #4.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

      Dan....#4 after reading how you described yourself and states that federal funds be withheld I find it rather strange that you would admit to voting for president obama. He is one of the biggest offenders of violating the laws of our country that there is.

      If he is re-elected he will become more of a dictator than he is right now.

      Week after week he seeks new and more outrageous ways to subvert the Constitution of the United States of America.

      Just this week he told the defense contractor to disobey the WARN Act and if they are sued the Federal Government will pick up the TAB. So Dan would you care to explain where in the Constitution of the United States of America gives him the right to do this.

      No wonder there are so many law enforcement officers out there making up their own rules; I guess they are figuring if the president can do then they should be able to do and get away with it.

      Perhaps you should think twice about your vote.

      • 10 votes
      #4.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:46 PM EDT
      wire557Deleted

      wire557

      Oh bullsh!t. They're counting people stopped at the border with being "deported".

      OBAMA is counting everyone buried in a grave in America as EMPLOYED!!

      • 6 votes
      #4.7 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

      Give CA 2 Mex.... Obama has to take the blame when HIS Justice Dep't has failures. He ought to get the credit when his Justice Dep't has success. George Bush's presidency was much closer to 9/11 than Obama's, but you're saying that somehow the crackdown started after Bush left office? Honestly, do you even stop to think about what you wrote before you wrote it? Bottom line, Obama's Justice Dep't has deported nearly as many illegals in 4 years as George Bush did in the 8 years following 9/11.

      And wire.... so what you're saying is that the Border Control received an order from Obama's administration to count deportations differently under his administration? If you have proof, show it, otherwise, you're just another conservative who would rather make up lies rather than give the President credit when he is due.

      I am an American first, a Democrat second, and a liberal third. I may have hated George Bush, but when he did smart things, I gave him credit for it. And I never ever ever bashed a U.S. president to anyone outside this country. God Bless America, both Dems and Repubs. If Romney wins, I have an obligation as a proud American to support him where I can, esp. when he does something we can all agree on (like deporting illegals - something Republicans are historically poor at doing).

      Jon... you have the gall to call Obama a dictator after Bush/Ashcroft stripped more Americans of their rights than any previous administration? Not to mention all the illegal spying on American citizens? I swear, conservatives will say ANYTHING. No need for any kind of facts or history lesson, as long as it's vitriol pointed at the current American president, it passes your legitimacy test.

      • 2 votes
      #4.8 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:23 PM EDT
      Reply

      He's just following Obama's lead. Laws? What laws? We don't need your stinking laws?

      He should be fired without due process. Afterall, he thinks stuff like that is optional.

      I actually agree with some of his reasoning, but he needs to address it the legal way, and do his job until it changes. If he is unwilling, someone else should be hired.

      • 24 votes
      Reply#5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

      "About 400 ICE requests annually could be ignored under the new policy, Beck said, adding that City Attorney Carmen Trutanich had informed him that police could legally refuse to honor ICE detainer requests, according to local media reports."

      You did read the "could legally refuse" part didn't you?

      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

      Mike, that is the opinion of the city attorney.

      I can't wait to see AG Holder sue LA for not following federal law....hope I don't wait too long.

      • 7 votes
      #5.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

      Bookem,

      You may have to wait a long time. Holder only sends certain illegal things to Mexico. Things like illegal guns. He does not like to send illegal people there. He likes to keep them here and turn them into future voters. That is why the head of human services has been to Mexico multiple times to encourage illegals who come here (illegally) to be sure to apply for food stamps. So you can't expect a country that says we have no borders, please come here illegally, and if you do, be sure to apply for food stamps, to be the same country that will say go home.

      • 11 votes
      #5.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:27 PM EDT

      Go figure with Antonio Villaraigosa as Los Angeles Mayor. The police chief knows where his tortilla is buttered. Ola, mis Amigos en Los Angeles!

      Perhaps Gov Brown can "persuade" the mayor and police chief otherwise? Highly doubtful

      • 2 votes
      #5.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:12 PM EDT

      Deporting by bullet is much preferred.

      • 2 votes
      #5.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:19 PM EDT
      Reply

      And ill guess he will hold a lottery for which ones they will hold and which ones they will let go..Feds should cut funding to the welfare state of California.

      • 19 votes
      Reply#6 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 1:58 PM EDT
      wire557Deleted
      Reply

      Fire him! The fact that he ignoring the law says that he needs to be fired for cause. He has no right to disobey the law for personal benefit.

      It's part of why Obama will be fired as well come November 6th.

      • 22 votes
      Reply#7 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:09 PM EDT

      This guy is a jerk. FIRE HIS ASS.

      • 14 votes
      Reply#8 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:14 PM EDT

      Right on. Police chief ignores federal requests and directives from his governor = fired police chief.

      • 16 votes
      #8.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

      I wonder how many here calling for the Chief's firing because he is not following Federal law to the letter are also those would be screaming about state rights in other cases.

      • 1 vote
      #8.2 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:21 AM EDT
      Reply

      Hold them just long enough to spay and neuter them.

      • 10 votes
      Reply#9 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

      Arizona can't enforce Federal laws and California can break them. God help us

      • 22 votes
      Reply#10 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:28 PM EDT

      Just another Hodge Podge of laws that Democrats want to pick and choose enforcement of.

      • 13 votes
      #10.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:36 PM EDT
      Reply

      Trust????? WTF????

      • 4 votes
      Reply#11 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:29 PM EDT

      Yeah, but... isnt' this the same as us wanting to be nice to jihadist terrorists so they won't want to kill us.

      • 8 votes
      #11.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:43 PM EDT
      Reply

      How so very Californian of him! Federal laws be damned! California has how much of a deficit?

      • 9 votes
      Reply#12 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:32 PM EDT

      It's not the LAPD's job to judge, It's their job to enforce all laws, and court orders equally to all citizens. Non citizens do not have rights we do and are breaking the law if they are here without the proper paperwork. They should be held when they have a run in with police and deported! If this procedure was followed crime rates would go down in states with high number of illegals.

      I agree if this windbag can't follow orders he should resign or be fired! Hey maybe some judge out there should order him arrested and jailed for contempt of court, he would be popular in jail!!!

      • 13 votes
      Reply#13 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:33 PM EDT

      It's not the LAPD's job to judge, It's their job to enforce all laws, and court orders equally to all citizens

      Yeah? And I bet you'd really like to be traffic stopped by a rookie who can't think outside of the book. You sound robotic.

      • 1 vote
      #13.1 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:23 AM EDT
      Reply

      If a citizen refused to obey an order from the LAPD they get arrested and go to jail. The LAPD police chief wants to disobey an order from a Federal law enforcement officer and expects to stay out of prison? Show him the inside of a locked prison cell with Bubba as a roommate. He'll change his tune.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#14 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:34 PM EDT

      Hey, hey, hey...the guy is doing what his boss the Mayor tells him to do. Seriously, do you believe the Chief of Police for a major metropolitan city would make such a public announcement without running it past the Mayor? This sort of makes sense...if the city really is 45% Hispanic and the populace thinks it's a good idea, well then shouldn't the police respond appropriately.

      California (and hence Los Angles) can go their own way...but I'll be curious to see what happens after the national election. I think there might be some serious "push back" from the Feds in regards to spending and federal law enforcement grants should the Republicans take office.

      I think California (hence LA) is in for a rough ride if the Republicans take the White House. They've been confrontational with the implementation of federal law, particularly in regards to immigration enforcement. Of course, the feds haven't been overly active in that regards.

      But, Los Angeles should be allowed some "wiggle room" in how they enforce the law. The whole thing boils down to whether LA can maintain a New York example or suffer what happened to Detroit or Chicago where "white flight" will bring down the local economy.

      Should be interesting.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#15 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:39 PM EDT

      Exactly.

        #15.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:43 PM EDT
        wire557Deleted
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        Is the chief saying that because 45% of his force and at least 45% of the city population are hispanic, they all are against legal immigration laws? Pretty big assumption.

        • 6 votes
        Reply#16 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:44 PM EDT

        Finally some common sense. ICE has far too much authority in deciding when to flag a legal immigrate with a Visa as an illegal on the decision of a sinlge person, with no due process. Then force police departments to spend our tax dollars on a witch hunt that benefits no one.
        Oh, and BTW, they can do the same to a legal citizen of the US. All that needs to occur is for you to be without your ID when the police pull you over. An ICE agent can claim anyone is an illegal w/o due process.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#17 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:44 PM EDT

        Then frilling carry your LEGAL ID with you. End of problem.

        • 4 votes
        #17.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

        Julie-401527

        Then frilling carry your LEGAL ID with you. End of problem.

        Jawohl, mein Führer!

        • 1 vote
        #17.2 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:30 AM EDT
        Reply

        I still dont get it. illegal immigration is breaking the law, that's a violation. there should be consequences, like um...deportation. i don't give a rats ass if you're trying to make a better life...by breaking our laws, GMAFB!

        why is it that they ignore that ppl are hear illegally and will only deport them if they have committed a 'more serious' crime? how does that support the community and citizens?

        oh, we know you're here illegally, but we only care if you break the laws we enforce. WTF!

        • 8 votes
        Reply#18 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:49 PM EDT

        I still dont get it. illegal immigration is breaking the law, that's a violation. there should be consequences, like um...deportation. i don't give a rats ass if you're trying to make a better life...by breaking our laws,

        Of course, no patriotic American like yourself has ever broken a rule or a law, right? In fact the entire meaning of life, what's more important than any other thing in existence is to never break a law, right?

          #18.1 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:34 AM EDT

          Give it a rest.We have perfectly good immigration laws in this country.I know many people from a variety of countries who immigrated to the U.S.,became citizens and work for the American dream.People who do not follow our laws are here illegally and should be deported.You try and stay illegally in any country in the world and see what happens.

          • 2 votes
          #18.2 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 11:41 PM EDT
          Reply

          Why don't you just follow orders? I hope men under his command give him some of his own medicine and choose which orders they want to follow.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#19 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:55 PM EDT

          Ah police refusing to do their jobs. AWESOME.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#20 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 2:57 PM EDT

          Some L.A. citizen should just walk up to Chief of Police and make a citizen's arrest

          for not upholding the law.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#21 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:06 PM EDT

          Agreed! Too bad we can't do that with our Gov't.

          • 6 votes
          #21.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

          No we can't. But we can fire them. Never vote for an incumbent.

          • 2 votes
          #21.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

          Who the F***! do they think they are allowing any piece of S**! illegal to remain in my country for any length of time! They are draining our school resources, stealing welfare, and bringing this country to its knees! Every single one of these mexican illegals is a criminal and should be treated as such. Rapists, murders, thieves, and drug trafficers! Load the bastards along with their anchor rats into a tractor trailer and dump them in the middle of mexican desert and leave them. It's time to clean the governments mess up and get rid of them permanently.

            #21.3 - Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:40 PM EDT
            Reply

            The solution to the immigration problem is so simple that it's constantly ignored...You simply deport anyone arrested who's here illegally...You don't have any rights when the first word in your title is illegal. Sorry no I.D. and Yo no hablo inglés...Then see you later hombre on the bus and back to whatever country you came from...Got kids here? Great put em on the bus and we'll see you later...Come back and do it the right way and you can stay. If you jumped the fence, or swam the river to get here then you're on your way home end of story...They do it in other countries and there's no issues but you can't do it here..Why?? Ask the Democrats they're the new Socialist Democratic Movement so they have the answer and it's give them all a pass and put them on welfare...As long as they promise to vote for the master Socialist Obama...Lets send this Socialist Pig back to Chicago this November where maybe he can get a job doing something he's qualified to do...like emptying trash cans

            • 12 votes
            Reply#22 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

            Well Said, Exactly put no more words on the subject right down to Trash Collector ROTFLMAO Huwa!!>

            • 1 vote
            #22.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:51 PM EDT
            Reply

            What does the law say.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#23 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

            If California wants to provide sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants, then there's only one thing that the United States can do. Throw California out of the Union and build a wall around them so that California can keep its Mexican trash.

            • 11 votes
            Reply#24 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

            Ummm, yeah and that would do what exactly? California alone is the 8th largest economy in the world, we are one of the States, along with Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey, that get the least amount of federal aid compared to how much we pay in Federal taxes. So before you start badmouthing California, know that it is our state that is bankrolling whatever welfare, busted, hand-me,down state you live in.

              #24.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

              Been there ocky, I lived there for several years. California taxes it's employed citizens heavily so the welfare dept can redistribute the wealth. The best way to view California is in your rear-view mirror!

              • 5 votes
              #24.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

              Hey, Snake Plinckton were are you know ! help Us Escape from the Loons in Calif and make them pay us back what they did not send in Taxes ! As Lt Govenor Gavin Grusem Newsome Ssays what gioes in CAlif the rest of the NATION Follows ! Time to pull the Plug on Mob Rule Democracy go Naton build some place else! Werlfare does not belong to A Trespasser period !

              • 2 votes
              #24.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:56 PM EDT
              Reply

              our law enforcement agencies are committing mutiny and by doing so are in violation of the oath they are forced to take, in office for California not to enforce laws shows a break of the United States of America, causing fractures, and there needs to be legislation drafted that restricts local law enforcement agencies from picking and choosing laws they wish to enforce, start holding back federal funds, for states that do not comply with federal law, then the states will feel the pinch of their treasonous behavior, either live by the U.S. laws or become a confederate state, that means war.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#25 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

              Who is Charlie Beck catering too; the average law abiding Hispanic-American citizen or the flagrant illegals who flaunt the law?

              The Chief is not doing what he is sworn to do, instead he wishes to aid and abet willful law breakers!

              • 5 votes
              Reply#26 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 3:37 PM EDT
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