IXLR8..This guy should get the death penalty...but its not going to happen!

"In Texas, a person must be of at least 18 years of age at the time of the crime to have the death penalty imposed upon him or her.'

"The death penalty is forbidden in all states for those under the age of 18 at the time of their crime."

He can be charged as an adult..but no death penalty allowed. LIFE IN PRISON I HOPE.

He said he would have killed anyone, so yeah, life in prison please.

That's messed up if that is the law Mike. I was not aware of that. He will then have lots of people in his "space" and in uncompromising positions for a long long time.

Wow this story is so messed up. The kid (and by his own admittance) definitely has some mental illness. I almost feel sorry for him seeing him with that expression in the mugshot.

When I read stuff like this...I think about all the parents on posts that say things like "Their kid would never do (fill in the blank)"

Stories like this just goes to show....sometimes parents no matter how good they are...cannot control that disconnect.

I never killed anyone, but at his age, with good parents myself, I certainly had that disconnect. To me this should be the million dollar question...it isn't just bad parents having bad kids that go bad. How does a child become so unattached in this kind of environment?

John B, why do you go around randomly calling people Christians? This kind of bigotry and hatred is not acceptable.

NYDoglover, it costs more money to go through all the appeals processes for those who get the death penalty than it does to incarcerate someone for life. Cheaper to lock him up and throw away the key.

"I'm going to be messed up."

My brother you've been messed up. Judging by the call there is not much remorse. This kid shows definite traits of a pshycopath. The future will tell if he is a cold blooded murderer, or truly deranged.

I believe the latter, but either way he must pay.

Prayres to the father, may the Mother and Daughter RIP.

His quote :

"I've been kind of, uh, planning on killing for a while now."

is what really hosed him. Without that, he'd have had a chance for a spur of the moment manslaughter conviction, or, perhaps a mental deficiency finding.

Now, it's premeditation. He's screwed - (literally).

Very odd boy.. Just hope they can forgive you for what you have done that's all I would hope for!

No, we are no getting the whole story. Why was this boy home schooled? Obvious mental issues.

This so sad what is wrong with people nowadays ??

Both this kid and his sister were home schooled.

Brian, what do you mean exactly? At that age you may have been capable of this?

@ John B.

This story has nothing to do with religion, but since you brought it up, the Christian Bible gives judges instructions on how to rule and what punishments should be. It even covers accidental killings (manslaughter). In this case, if found guilty, the punishment would be death, but I don't see where Nydoglover mentioned his/her religion.

Also, Mike277 is correct. If under the age of 18 at the time of the crime= No death penalty. I also agree that this law should be changed, but it's not my call.

@amie.... Lax gun laws? Really? go back to sleep

Bullwhip time for starters.

More people die in automobile accidents than are killed with guns.

Weird to say but, had he not killed her, his mother might be charged for allowing her minor son to have access to a gun.

There is no legitimate reason to not execute someone like this and he will likely be released on parole someday by the bleeding heart types that are more numerous now than when I was a kid... how can a POS like him ever be rehabilitated?

Thank you!!!! i will never understand why people always resort to commenting on stuff they know nothing about. i am a mother of 2 and my husband owns lots of guns BUT they are all locked up and never out. If people would just realize that they are there for a reason, and i just hope that the big bad wolf doesnt come to their door step, cause throwing a pillow at them will not turn them away....

Text book sociopath. Shallow emotions, lack of empathy, academic problems, grandiose sense of self. All the signs were there. It's truly unfortunate that nobody recognized them and at the very least locked up the firearm.

Terrible. Those of you that wish to see this 17 yr old put to death, would you also like to extend the vote to 17 year olds as well? As far as gun control, do you think he would have been incapable of killing with a knife, a hammer, a baseball bat........? Yes, guns are easy to obtain, but killing isn't an easy decision to make...even with a gun in hand. If someone has decided to kill, as this young man mentions to the dispatch operator, is not having access to a gun really going to stop them?

amietamant

Guns don't cause crime at all. They actually prevent it.

The Constitution DOES give us the PEOPLE the right to own, and use firearms to defend themselves. The founding fathers have been quoted saying this multiple times, and most of the time they aren't talking about a militia. They are talking about the people themselves. The Supreme Court recently backed this up as well.

As for police being the only one's having firearms, they do NOT have a legal obligation to protect individual citizens. The Supre Cour stated this a while back. The have to protect their town/city as a whole, but not the individual people of it. They are also not always good guys, or effective at stopping crime. I have seen several videos of LEOs crossing the line and doing things that would land a civilian in prison. There are also the recent shootings in NYC. The police did more damage to the public than the actual shooter did.

Here's another fact. Criminals DON'T follow the law. If guns are banned, they will still use them. They don't care, they're alreay looking at hard time. All a ban will do is disarm the law abiding citizens. It will leave them completely defenseless and at the mercy of criminals. Don't we deserve the right to protect ourselves? If the criminals have guns, shouldn't we?

Gun control reducing crime is a myth. Plain and simple. Look at LA, NYC, Chicago, and Washingon DC. They all have some of the strictest gun laws in the entire country. Yet, they have some of the worse crime rates as well. Whereas pro gun cities usually have lower crime rates.

The Founding Fathers wanted us to have a way to protect ourselves from those who wish to do us harm. That includes criminals, and our own Government if they become tyranical. I choose to use that right, and will always use that right because I'd like to live to a ripe old age, and no one as the right to deny me that right.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

Poor mom and sister. Whew.... I could never imagine this in my life...

Seems to me that he and his sister being home schooled, he must have just snapped.

You know how for some reason you didn't want to hear what your parents had to say all the time but, if your friends parents said the same thing, you listened and didn't mind listening. Like helping your buddy clean his room didn't matter at all but to clean your own room was a bitch & sucked.

I figure this kid was just sick of hearing the same old voice say, brush your teeth, eat your breakfast, clean your room, put out the garbage "then" his mother was his math, english, science etc... teacher all day.

The kid snapped! He was bored to death and did what he did to excite his life. This is just a theory but, not sure what else could make this happen outside of pure insanity but they don't mention any signs of that. They say he was quiet and collective.

Poor dad, just lost his entire family in seconds while breaking his ass on business to pay bills and keep their heads above water. Wife & daughter dead and his son jailed for the rest of his life. If this scenario doesn't make him completely insane, nothing will.

How could you move on from this? How do you tell your date (after finally learning how to deal with it) where you came from and your past life. The second you mention this to her, all you would see is ass and elbows all the way to her car. Wow, poor guy.

mike277: Your right.

Texas has the Law of Parties, which allows offenders to be sentenced to death if present while a capital crime is being committed based on the offender being "criminally responsible for the conduct of another."

13 juveniles were executed in Texas before the 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Roper v. Simmons. 29 juveniles awaiting execution were sentenced to Life In Prison and removed from death row in response to the decision.

Although the U.S. Supreme Court prohibited the application of the death penalty to persons with mental retardation in Atkins v. Virginia (2002), the Texas Legislature still has not enacted statutory provisions governing the standards and procedures to be followed in these cases.

Roper v. Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005) was a decision in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that it is unconstitutional to impose capital punishment for crimes committed while under the age of 18. The 5-4 decision overruled the Court's prior ruling upholding such sentences on offenders above or at the age of 16, in Stanford v. Kentucky, 492 U.S. 361 (1989), overturning statutes in 25 states that had the penalty set lower.

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Let's count how many excuses gun enthus. will write in here. "It's not guns that kill" "We have the right to defended ourselves" and lots of more BS.

This is what happens when there are GUNS unattended n homes. MOST OF THE KILLINGS ARE AMONG FAMILY MEMBERS.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I grew up in house full of guns. They were put up, loaded. We knew where they were, HOW to use them and when to use them. My other family memebers have lots of guns, all put up either in a safe or spot where their little ones cannot get to them. Not one person in my family has ever shot anyone out of hate or necessity. I would rather know I have one if needed than not have one at all. Also, have you ever seriously thought that if guns were ever banned to someone other than law enforcement that only them and the ones that do not follow the laws will have guns? Then what are you going to do, throw a potato at the criminal? Good luck with that. And yes, here's your I told you so moment:

Guns don't kill people, Stupid people with guns kill people.

A pencil doesn't spell wrong, the person using it does. There are so many more I could say, but will leave it be :)

Future 'Kids who kill' episode for Biography.

let us hope there is a follow up on this story; was he on any prescription drugs, what were they, was he undergoing treatment; the warning sign's were there, no one was able to read them, a terrible tragedy.

Well at least he owned up to it and took responsibility. Usually murderers want to blame everyone but themselves.

He doesn't deserve any better than what he did to his family. Just kill him and get it over with.

They were home schooled so he snapped??? Doesn't really make much sense considering the sister didn't "snap" also. Plenty of children are home schooled and don't kill their parents.

An all around tragedy, kids are so stupid.

Guns don't kill people, Stupid people with guns kill people.

What do stupid people WITHOUT guns do?

What do stupid people WITHOUT guns do?

Well, Jason, they write stupid and inane postings on Newsvine, obviously.....

"I've been kind of, uh, planning on killing for a while now."

So he killed his mother and sister with a gun and now the online battle rages. Since he was "planning" to do this for awhile now, would it have been better if he beat them both to death with a baseball bat? The method isn't the issue, the killing is the issue.

Condolences to the family...

Creek Dog - he's got all the signs of a sociopath, which isnt at all the same as "insanity" - many of the most successful business people are sociopaths. and having a father "busting his ass" but who's always gone, is one of the factors in creating sociopaths. I dont know how absent the father was due to work, but clearly...it was the wrong choice in hind sight. All the money in the world doesnt reverse his absense, a child becoming a sociopath, and that child slaughtering his wife and daugther. not that he could have seen that all unfolding, what with busting his ass away on business all the time.

science contends that sociopaths arent born or made, it's a combination of both. so even if his brain was wired as such to be leaning sociopathic, if the family were accepting of the signs and willing to address them...could have steered their child toward a more empathetic existence. it might not have cured him of sociopathy, but it likely would have prevented him from being a killer.

at the end of the day, there will be a lot of soul searching by this father...and I hope he's honest with himself about his role in raising his son, or lack there of.

and yet, this child still owns the actions he has taken - it was his choice to do what he did, and no one elses...it just a shame he didnt have more observant parents more willing to help him, rather than ignore his very real problems.

I imagine if he hadn't been home schooled, we would be reading about a school shooting.

JasonFinPhilly24

Guns don't kill people, Stupid people with guns kill people.

What do stupid people WITHOUT guns do?

They commit crimes with whatever they can get their hands on, regardless of whether it was 'made to kill' people or not. That is what stupid people without guns do.

Look at Australia and the UK and tell me that gun bans help any. (hint: they don't)

I hope they do not play the mental ill card for him.

Creek Dog, you're a nut job. Home schooling doesn't cause people to murder. Something was going on with this young man and we've yet to hear the whole story -- and may never. He might be a sociopath (home schooling doesn't cause this), schizophrenic (home schooling doesn't cause this), clinically depressed (home schooling doesn't cause this), or any number of other things. If he didn't like the way he was being parented, the issue would be parenting, not home schooling, and there would be no reason to murder his sister. The sad thing about these forums is that people like you who have no information or qualifications on which to base an opinion get to voice an opinion.

I wonder if the "home schooling" could have had something to do with this. If he had been in reg. school he could have maybe played sports taken his agression out that way, and maybe had made friends to go out and hang out with, maybe then he wouldn't haven felt "suffocated". By no means am I saying that is an excuse, millions of kids are homeschooled and do not do this. Just speculating.....I mean something else is going on here you dont shoot your mom in cold blood b/c you have just been tinkering around with the idea, it usually takes a lot of rage, or a revenge factor, or,,,, I know ppl don't wanna hear but mental defect. I mean who in their right mind does this? And if it is b/c he is mentally ill, that doesnt mean he should recieve any sort of special treatment. And I have never understood, having kids of my own, how parents dont pick up on personality changes, mood changes, .....Esp. being a principle she would have more education then most to see these little tell tale signs that something isn't quite right with little Johnny. Anyway you slice it, put a needle in his arm and get on to the next case.

This is clearly mental illness...its not a "card" to play. A shame his illness wasnt identified sooner.

As much as I pity the poor people born with brains that are hardwired wrong, and the inadequate way we recognize and handle mental illness as individuals and even in medicine...still yet, this boy/man needs to be locked away or put out of his misery; he is far too dangerous to be among other humans...or animals!

Sad..all around. My heart hurts for their family and friends

I wonder if the "home schooling" could have had something to do with this. If he had been in reg. school he could have maybe played sports taken his agression out that way, and maybe had made friends to go out and hang out with, maybe then he wouldn't haven felt "suffocated". By no means am I saying that is an excuse, millions of kids are homeschooled and do not do this.

Well then Wendy, there's your answer. No home schooling didn't have a thing to do with this. Like educatingjan said if he wasn't home schooled we would be hearing about a school shooting instead. It had nothing to do with who he was shooting. He stated himself he would have killed anyone. He just chose his mother and sister because he had the ease of access to them. As far as taking his aggression out in sports, he wasn't an aggressive kid. He was a quiet boy. He just killed them because he wanted to know what it felt like and he didn't end up liking it at all. Too late for his mother and sister though.

Wow-isn't it about time we start getting rid of all the crazies? Forget the appeals process, the laws need to be cut & dry! He admitted it and wanted to kill. Why are we keeping murderers in prison (or rapists)? These people should reap what they sow! Besides, the world is so overpopulated anyway, getting rid of the scum of the earth will be better for our gene pool as well as keep the population in check--just saying...

I hope that during the investigation they can discern who's pistol it was, as they are just as responsible for the shooting as this child. When you accept the responsibility to own a firearm, you own every round that is discharged from that barrel, whether it was you pulling the trigger or not. For that fact, whoever left it so easily accessible is directly guilty by association to that weapon. It should've been locked up or kept on their person so such a heinous act could've been avoided, or atleast it would've been commited by other means without making the rest of our nations responsible gun owners look bad. Cut to the anti-second amendment crowd...

nydoglover: I bet you claim to be a Christian also.

Why do idiot liberals always jump to this conclusion?

I am an atheist, and I agree that this piece of trash needs a needle in his arm.

Anybody that would kill another human being that was not an danger to them is sick, and has something wrong with them. He knew what he was doing. He knew it was wrong. The end. No more air for you.

In any murder case where there is 100% certainty that the guy is guilty, they should be dead 15 minutes after sentencing. This kid did it. They know he did it. give him an hour long trial tomorrow, and have him in the ground by sun down.

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I feel very sorry for his dad... he discovered he lost his whole family with just one phone call.

Why does America have some of the most lax gun laws in the world? I don't think ANYONE other than law enforcement or uniformed security should be issued guns. No guns at home, no quick mass killings. You are NOT a member of a well-regulated militia.

You are correct, I am not a member of a well-regulated militia. However, I AM one of the people that has the right to keep and bear arms, also mentioned in the 2nd Amendment! You chose to reference part one while conveniently ignoring part two. Either that or you just don't know what you are talking about, which makes you look like even more of an idiot. Which is it?

I don't think ANYONE other than law enforcement or uniformed security should be issued guns.

There are many countries where this is the case. You are more than welcome to move to one of them. I will personally come over, and help you pack your hemp underwear into your Subaru.

Most people that kill themselves are beautiful people, so asking him to kill himself before he did what he did is like asking Dr. Jekyll not to be Mr. Hyde confusing as it is don't dwell on it, in the end we'll all have are place.

We are all connected and God will sort us out.

Mexico has gun control. You can move there

Condolences to the family and friends. These tragedies are often impossible to understand.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you all.

Chicago, you know, alleged handgun-free Chicago according to their laws, has the highest murder rate per capita out of the top 15 major international cities, INCLUDING Mexico City (Google it liberals). I'm sorry, what were you liberals whining about with regards to guns here?

Oh and by the way, I'm a Christian and had I been there I'd have killed this POS myself to save the lives of the mother and sister. There is nothing wrong with killing evil. Obviously liberals can't see that justification according to some comments here. Well, go pound sand.

Mexico has gun control. You can move there

Yeah how about Obama and Holder's Fast & Furious, huh?

I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to be home schooled.

My two nieces were home schooled, but they still went to all the functions at the local public school.

You have to have balance in your life...one dimensional extremism - look no further than half the posts at the Vine, some seriously isolated people here living in their own bubble.

Every post I make here has many factors to the post - but I often get attacked by those who take just one part of a post and go to the extreme with it. I called a girl an attention whore yesterday and another poster took it to the extreme and lumped all references to the word whore - to mean I was inferring that she was some back alley drug whore. Any excuse to attack others is what I get from people like that.

Don't want to be called an attention whore - don't go public with your problems...duh! Want to lump every reference you don't like into one pile? Get a clue. Balance - it isn't just for breakfast.

This kid went off the deep end. Yes, he's got real mental issues and he needs to contemplate the consequences of his actions as the needle is pushed into his vein. Unfortunately, that event is most likely decades away, if ever.

Normally I would say 2 to the chest 1 to the head, but this kid looks like he is missing some proteins made by the certain gene's. Just saying he seems short a couple of shovels full of a full sh.. load

God bless and God speed to the family.

"I imagine if he hadn't been home schooled, we would be reading about a school shooting."

I think U R on 2 something, dawg. Perhaps the reason he & his sister were home-schooled had something 2 do with the school bully............and he wasn't taken out of school soon enough. Unfortunately, we don't have this info.

"Poor dad, just lost his entire family in seconds while breaking his ass on business to pay bills and keep their heads above water. Wife & daughter dead and his son jailed for the rest of his life. If this scenario doesn't make him completely insane, nothing will."

Ditto

Maybe Mom and Sis were Obama fans and he wasn't. Or, another case of guns in the classroom. There should have been guards and metal detectors on all the doors. Maybe TSA body scanners. I know that all of this sounds stupid, but is no worse than half the posts I have read.

"Look at Australia and the UK and tell me that gun bans help any. (hint: they don't)"

Well, both those countries have significantly lower violent crime rates than the US - so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Of course, was also true long before gun control was implemented. Violent crime rates didn't really go up OR down when the laws were implemented. We in the US just happen to live in one of the most violent first world countries, and that would be true regardless of whether or not guns were outlawed.

"There are many countries where this is the case. You are more than welcome to move to one of them. I will personally come over, and help you pack your hemp underwear into your Subaru."

Well, most of us aren't more than welcome to move to one of them - obtaining a residency visa is actually very difficult, no matter the country. I'd love to move to Sweden, which has a much lower violent crime rate than the US and which also has gun control (not that I'm saying that one causes the other) - unfortunately, getting a visa is a real pain.

"Mexico has gun control. You can move there"

So does Austria. Wanna help me move there?

"Chicago, you know, alleged handgun-free Chicago according to their laws, has the highest murder rate per capita out of the top 15 major international cities, INCLUDING Mexico City (Google it liberals). I'm sorry, what were you liberals whining about with regards to guns here?"

Incidentally, cities with much, much lower violent crime rates include Sydney, London, Toronto, Tokyo, and Berlin - all of which have gun control (and not just city-wide gun bans, but country-wide.)

Don't get me wrong, it is dumb for Chicago to try to ban handguns - crossing international borders with guns is much harder than crossing city boundaries with them (though it still happens, of course.)

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Gun control is dumb, but don't fool yourself into thinking that banning guns means MORE violent crime and murders. In fact, statistics from across the first world show that there's not really any correlation at all between the two, and the lower violent crime in the rest of the first world is a result of society and cultural factors, rather than any specific policies.

What happened to an eye for an eye???

I'm getting really tired of everybody wanting to throw jabs at homeschooling over this. This kid is a sociopath and would have acted the same regardless of his school setting. If he were going to a brick-and-mortar school, this would be another Columbine. One thing that everybody keeps glossing over or completely missing is that there was no indication of any problem with him. He hid his condition too well even from his family that he was in close contact with. The people who knew him and have so far spoken say he seemed normal.

There is also nothing in the article anywhere to indicate he was having trouble in school. There are all kinds of reasons people choose to homeschool their kids including religious reasons and preference. Studies actually show that homeschooled kids tend to have stronger bonds with their families and remain closer with them throughout their lives. They also tend to be better self-starters and less hindered by peer-pressure. This is not a recipe for this situation.

And don't go blaming the dad for being at work. Nothing in the article indicates anything to support the idea that he was always gone. Again, people are making suppositions that are unsupported.

This is a horrible tragedy, but by all indications it still would have occured regardless of where he went to school. He is not right in the head. It is a shame that he was so good at hiding his "plans". If only he could have been stopped.

My thoughts and prayers go to the surviving family.

@ John B-463946

So what if he is? People need to understand there are consequences for your actions regardless of your age. I think we can all agree this is a very disturbed and demented boy who has done wrong (understatement) and must now face the music...

I bet you're a liberal who complains about our budget, then openly supports these heartless criminals despite their evil deeds and obvious unwillingness to change. Your own bigotry and stereotypical attitudes makes you no better.

@ amietamant,

Do not start with your ignorant anti-gun agenda. After all, he said was he "planning on killing for a while"... not planning on shooting someone for a while... someone as sick as this boy would have just as easily used a knife or other means of weaponry.

I'm sure this could have been avoided. For him to have been "planning on killing for a while" ... his family must have been lead on to his illness for some time now...

He said he's going to be messed up. No he already is messed up. WTF is wrong with this kid. "I killed my mom and my sister and it turns out I didn't like it."

He claims they we're smothering him. Well, see how 'un-smothered" he feels in prison with pedo-bubba as his cell mate. He'll cry for his mamma the first night, then he'll remember "Oh ya, I killed her." What a stupid kid.

He would have killed anyone? Just because? Wow. That's awful. I feel so bad for the rest of the family and anyone involved but also for the child who they say commited the crime, what a messed up life.

Thepeoplesright--Do you feel the same way about abortion? The constution gives a woman the right to one if she chooses, however republicans keep trying to take it away. Its really odd how many times people cry about the second amendment and how its their right, but see no problem with throwing the constitution out the window when they dont agree with it.

I on the other hand think you have the right to have a gun and you have a right to have an abortion, so tell me do you feel the same?

I say, good thing he was homeschooled.... only two people were at his homeschool at the time......

Imagine if he was still going to public school.......

Or wanted to show up in a movie theater...........

The other big issue is "Where did this kid get a Handgun from"??

If it actually belonged to the "Parents".... this is partly their fault for not securing that weapon.....

Susan (Post 1.66)

Your quote:

What happened to an eye for an eye???

This is a greatly misunderstood and misapplied section of the Torah (Old Testament). NOT that YOU have misapplied it. Of that I am unsure.

The text "an eye for an eye", carried both figurative and literal connotation. What it MEANS is that the punishment must fit the crime. This was in direct response to the Semitic nations of the region and in the day, where a simple act of taking a pomegranate because you were hungry, resulted in an over-reactive response, i.e., cutting off the thief's hands. The TALMUD ( the explainantive text) contains an entire book on "damages" (called "Nezikim") which predate Western thought by close to 2 millenia. SURE, there are instances where the punishment of death DOES fit the crime (and, I, for one, think that THIS case is one of them - if you do, too, then, you have not misapplied the section. Most people, ( especially those with an agenda) will denigrate the scriptures, averring that, if you accidentally poke an eye out, the punishment is the loss of that person's eye - that is simply not the case.

The LIBS have taken this to the extreme, in saying that NO act is deserving of the death penalty. They use, as back up, usually the following arguments.

1. It's cruel and unusual punishment. FALSE...were that the case, the founding fathers would not have had a death penalty.

2. That it costs more in time and money, in the Appeals process. Perhaps. But that is the fault of the SYSTEM. There are still crimes that society finds SO repulsive, that a statement must be made.

3. That the State then becomes the "killer". TRUE - BUT - all killing is NOT against the law. The law is replete with references to justifiable homicide (Self defense, defense of another) The death penalty serves TWO purposes; to Punish and to DETER. If justice were swift, I think it would have an impact on those who would commit such heinous crimes.

@amietamant....yep another case of a gun going crazy (all by itself) and killing these people. OMG you anti gun nuts are so blatantly stupid...if no one had guns but the police, you would be singing a totally different tune. The only thing that keeps police, crooks, drugies etc OUT OF OUR HOMES right now is thier fear of being shot by an armed homeowner...my god ...wake up!!!

Its sad that when people die, other people choose to go on line and name call others for their differing opinions instead of keep politics out of it and realize people died for no reason and a 17 year old boy is extremely messed up and no one helped him in ways that might have prevented such an occurrence. Instead of taking time to reflect on failing mental health system, and what we should do for prevention and or treatment, some people on here choose to act like 5 year olds and name call. You all are the ones that make me sick. I cant wait to move to Canada im saving up now. Peace

My sister home schooled her kids! They are all off a couple of bubbles! They are all INTELLIGENT, but they are socially inept. The choose POOR mates for husbands! They are not diplomatic, they are not friendly, they know everything, they are condescending, they are just plain RUDE! They don't make friends and the ones they do make are socially and intellectually unfit. It is they are like the cheerleader who hangs around with fat chicks for friends because it makes her feel SO much better about herself.

My sister is a teacher and did a great job for preparing them for college, but she did not prepare them for life. They have all failed miserably with that!

This is not the only example I have seen regarding home school kids, but is seems to be the normal!

I would rather see kids home schooled then drop out of school. But in my opinion neither one should be exceptable.... only in very rare circumstances.

For those of you thinking that he will get life in prison without parole, since he can't get the death penalty--think again.

The Supreme Court has decided that that is cruel and unusual punishment. Some states are making it retroactive so those teen murderers given no chance of parole can petition for release after 25 years.

The Supreme Court ruled in June that juvenile murderers cannot be given mandatory sentences of life in prison without parole, saying mitigating factors - such as the circumstances surrounding the crime and family background - must be weighed before imposing a sentence.

"There's no question that we can keep the public safe without locking youth up forever for crimes committed when they were still considered too young to have the judgment to vote or drive," Elizabeth Calvin, children's rights advocate at Human Rights Watch, said in a statement.

(Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law on Sunday a measure that grants juvenile offenders sentenced to life in prison without parole the chance to petition for their release after serving 25 years.

Roughly 300 inmates in California's prison system have been sentenced to a lifetime behind bars for offenses committed as teenagers, according to the bill's sponsor, state Senator Leland Yee, a Democrat from San Francisco.

Those inmates will now be eligible for parole after serving at least 25 years in prison.

Psychopaths...some kill their family, some become politicians, clergy, and CEOs.

Moral of the story... Don't home school.

my husband owns lots of guns BUT they are all locked up and never out. If people would just realize that they are there for a reason, and i just hope that the big bad wolf doesnt come to their door step, cause throwing a pillow at them will not turn them away....

You gun people are so paranoid. Someone is always going to get you. I've lived over half-a-century and never needed a gun. That's not to say I haven't faced a few dicey situations in all those years. I relied on other resources--such as intelligence. But wait--maybe that's why some people need guns.

In fact, a glaring failure of logic in your post reveals the truth about you and your husband. No one needs "lots of guns" for self-defense.

The problem with the right to own guns is that the very people who want to are the ones who shouldn't.

So many people here don't understand clinical sociopathy. This person will not and cannot ever be made to feel remorse for what he did. His brain isn't capable of that emotion, and this is not a curable condition. This lack of empathy is a deeply rooted part of his psyche, for life. There's no way to "make him pay" for his crime. He must simply be locked up for life to prevent him from harming others.

Well, this is one creepy kid.

I know we'd all like to point at some issue with his upbringing, but I think that, sometimes, a child just grows up wrong, or that the cause or causes are too subtle to be easily explained or understood.

Have a nice life in jail kid.

In the shower, be sure to look over your shoulder and tell Bubba you love him. It may help you feel better about the situation.

You just made a great case for execution, he cannot be rehabilitated, he is a psychopath, no remorse, did not matter if he murdered his family or strangers, they were handy at the time, he will murder again if he can. I do not care how old they are, he knew that killing someone was against the law reguardless of the moral implications. He confessed to the murders, no need for a trial to establish guilt, just for sentencing, then execution within a month. But go ahead you bleeding hearts send him to the head shrinks and when they say he is cured let him out and pray your mother, sister,brother, will not be his next victim, or put him in prison for the rest of his life without parole, which is reallty the inhumane thing to do as he will be beaten up and raped continuesly until he is murdered or he murders someone in prison. To all those on here who make jokes about this you need to get mental help. There is a reason God said thou shall not kill, Genesis 9:6 Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made. What happened to sympathy for his Mother and his sister, they will not be around to give love or the recieve love. Their siblings and husband will morn deeply for the rest of their lives for this, my brother was killed in a auto accident by a person who was driving to fast, we were very close, I still mourn for him and think about him every day and its been several years, he did not deserve to die, his family did not deserve to lose a loved one because of anothers iresponsibility. Sorry folks but a person who intenionally kills another person and they are proved guilty without any doubt must lose their own life and answer to God. I also add these two criminal acts to the death penalty, rape and the sexual abuse of a child. I also say that if a person physically or mental abuses a child to the point that they will be scarred for life then this person also must be executed.

MindieKnows

You have to remember Mindie not ALL kids will adjust the same to a situation, while so kids love home schooling, others hate it and feel suffocated and depressed. Esp. with her being principle, she was prob. more strict and controlling then most mothers. And I will say AGAIN, it is in no way shape or form her fault. He should have a needle in his arm. I am just saying ppl re act differently to an extreme upset in their usual day to day schedule. Then to be puled out from friends sports etc. could have been what put him over the edge. I know if it wasn't this it would have eventually been something else unfortunately. As I said I was just speculating on it.

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Moral of the story... Don't home school.

Riiiiight, home schooling causes sociopathy (/sarcasm). You sir, are not very bright. Look up the difference in logic between causal relationships versus corollary ones. Lots of people are home schooled and end up just fine. In fact, many of them get better educations (provided their parents are intelligent enough, or their online classroom teachers are). But teacher's unions hate that...right? Parasites (the public sector unions, not the teachers in them).

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Creek Dog expressed an opinion as everyone else does on here, that DOESN'T make him a "nut job" it just makes you sound immature and unable to discuss things in an intelligent manner without the 10 year old name calling, and look at ALL the posts expressing the SAME opinion, so I guess they are ALL nut jobs, except for you who must be the only poster whose comments are always right. If you can't be respectful and mature maybe you should find a teen forum to post on.

Okay, Texas, if we can't execute this little murderer, let's make darn sure to put him in with the mosthardcore, umcaring, brutal inmates in the system, making the rest of his live such a living nightmare he'll be begging for the death penalty

Give him a speedy trial, convict him and sentence him to death. Put him on a judicial fast track to the death gurney and the needle. It's not safe for a parent to sleep in their own house with their adolescent children anymore. It's about time the state just started emptying death row of parent murdering psychopaths who have no further excuse for using air. Children at his age just have no respect for their parents anymore or living any kind of disciplined life and DOING WHAT THEIR PARENTS TELL THEM TO DO. Instead, they are all just defiant of any parental authority to the point of murdering them all. If enough of these near adult children get put to death by the state for their murderous rampages, then they will be an example and send a clear message to the rest of these adolescents that disobeying your parents is the first step on the path to the death gurney and the needle. Maybe someday it will be safe for parents to tell their adolescent children what to do, expect them to do it and have the authority to make them do it whether or not the adolescent wants to. The parent is the parent and it's about time these adolescents behaved like the the parents are in charge.

patty123 If you own a gun or collect them,it's great if you never have to use it for anything else but target practice.Home invasions are starting to get popular,looking down the wrong end of the barrel is a pretty good deterent.Not having a weapon can turn bad really quick. Cheshire,Ct home cost a man loss of his family,wife and two daughters( wife raped,young daughter molested ,older daughter and youngest tied to tied to beds and house set on fire)wife murdered before fire,two daughters died of smoke inhalation

Wendy

He didn't kill his mom and sister because he was tired of his mom being his principal. He said he would've killed anyone. He just wanted to see what it felt like. So the homeschooling isn't the issue the kid that wanted to kill is.

The problem with taking away the right to bear arms, is that it doesnt mean ANYTHING for the criminals. Convicted felons who have no right to own a gun, still own them and commit crimes with them. There will never be a time when only police and security own guns!! Taking away the right to own a gun would only make law obiding citizens a bigger target to criminals who will own them regardless of the LAWS which they do not follow. I do not own a gun, but i believe it should be someones right to. As far as this young boy goes, he was going to kill.. whether it had been the sister and mom, or a classroom full of students, or a citgo. He wanted to kill and with that being the case by his own admission.. the death penalty would be the best result. He will never be rehabilitated, but the death penalty is not a possibility due to his age. So in 25 yrs we will be reading about him comitting another murder because he was released after 20. Obviously not all murder convictions are truly guilty. so the penalty should NOT be awarded to every convicted murderer. HOWEVER, if they have admitted to the crime, no trial.. no jury... DEATH.

Hey, THEPEOPLESRIGHT...guns PREVENT CRIMES??? HILARIOUS!!!

So, other countries like, Britain, Australia, Canada...who have stricter gun controls, they must have out of control crime, right???

What an idiot.....

I was just thinking that. And he admitted he think he's going to be messed up.

He won't even be sentenced to life. Anybody remember the Supreme Court ruling just last week. It is considered cruel and unusual punishment for a Juvenile to be sentenced to Life w/o a chance of parole. There are quite a few appeals going on in PA. based on that ruling

@jeff-362275 - You either have a problem with reading comprehension or are one of those people who only read headlines and then comment thinking they are well informed. The Supreme Court did NOT say that life without parole was cruel and unusual punishment for a juvenile. All they said was that making this the only available sentence was cruel and unusual. The Supreme Court did not make this sentence unconstitutional, all they said is that the judge should have some discretion as to whether or not to impose this sentence based on the circumstances of the particular case. It is still perfectly legal to sentence a juvenile to life without parole if the judge determines that it is the appropriate sentence given the facts of the case.

I do not know if this kid deserves life without parole or not. There is too much that is not known about his mental state. I normally do not buy into diminished capacity or insanity defenses because I think they are abused to try and get people off. In this case, I have to seriously question what was going on with this kid. This kid's apparently flat affect (lack of any emotion) along with what he said in the 911 call makes me think that he may in fact have a serious mental health problem. The kid may just be a sociopath or there may be an organic cause for his behavior, at this point there is no way to know. He may very well deserve to be sentenced to life without parole, but I will withhold judgement until all the facts are in.

He was taken out of public school in JANUARY to be home schooled.

NO WONDER he felt suffocated !!!!!!!!

The SC did NOT rule that a juvenile CANNOT be sentenced to life without parole, only that such sentencing cannot be mandatory. The law has to allow for the option of sentencing with parole but does not require such a sentence.

This sounds like something out of a movie, especially with no attempt to avoid culpability.

Sociopathy, if that's what this is, appears to be not much influenced by upbringing. I know some people like to conclude that this means the person is trash to be disposed of, and for sure that viewpoint influences how our society deals with some people, but I would hate to live in a sdociety where that concept was altogether established--wouldn't that be a sociopathic society in some sense?

I homeschooled two of my four - they both got to middle school and said they couldn't stand being with me all day anymore - a lot of growing pains - desperate drive to have peers - they talked of being suffocated - but they just threw fits until I gave up and went down and enrolled them in a brick and mortar school. My SIL had a son who did the same thing - begged to go to school everyday. She put him in the car and enrolled him one morning. But so many of my friends went all the way to Senior year and they were typically high achievers - full scholarship rides - but like I said, my kids just threw fits - folded up their arms and told me they couldn't stand me anymore.

He thinks he's going to be "messed up." Dude, sociopaths are born... You're one of them. I'll bet that he's been killing small animals for years without anyone giving him a second look.

Hate to clue him in, but he has been messed up for years... You don't just pull a trigger on family without missing a seriously big chunk of humanity somewhere deep within yourself.

I so agree with machspeeddemon - Funny how no one(who is physco) losses it IN the gun shop, always when they leave and cause pain to innocent people.

@muziclover - Do I hear a hint of political leaning in that post? If not, then no problem.

This is horrible, and my heart goes out to the remaining family of the psycho.

Psycho? Yes. But bullet though the brain? I'm sorry, I don't agree and I don't wish to be attacked for it. He obviously needs help and I think he deserves it. It won't be fun for him and it will certainly serve him right, what he did was wrong, but I don't think he should be killed. It won't solve anything, we won't know anything. We could help people like this and try to prevent it. Again, I'm not looking for an argument, please just respect my comment.

I feel so bad for the rest of the family and anyone who knew/knows them.

Putting a bullet through his brain would be a waste. They should be allowed to peel his brain, like an onion, on the off chance they can see what went wrong.

I wouldn't be surprised if his mother decided to home school him, because she realized he was having mental problems. She may have been trying to avoid the humiliation of having him institutionalized, with the sister staying home too, to keep an eye on him. That would explain his feeling that they were smothering him.

My guess as to the mothers motivation for home schooling her kids is pure conjecture. This will not stop me from saying I told you so, should forthcoming information confirm my unfounded theory.

Amen to that!

This happen in TEXAS..they deal with murder the best in the USA..and this is a double murder.

yeahrightsureuhhuh

Chris150 - your bleeding heart @!$%# is pathological.

ROFL Gotta give credit where credit is due. Chirs150 might be the best troll on the Vine.

I suspect Chirs150 is being sarcastic, though still not amusing.

LoL!!!! I can only assume you meant to be funny.

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Chris is pulling everybody's anger, all over the place...

I feel bad for this kid because he clearly needs help. If he's been thinking about killing people and says it could have been anyone, felt the need to act on it but now feels bad about it then it means that there is something going on mentally. This doesnt even seem like a case of a kid that was angry and has a disregard for life or a kid that's a sociopath. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we are breeding a generation of socially inept people who dont know how to sort out thoughts in their heads because we don't encourage our kids to put down their texting contraptions and unplug the interweb box so they can have real human interaction.

Unfortunately for him, you do the crime you do the time, even if you feel really bad about it later. I feel really bad for the dad though. not only did he lose his wife & daughter but now his son and he has to go through the rest of his life thinking what he could have done to save all of them

Better for Chris150 to incite anger on internet, else he might end up killing his mom and sister like this disturbed Jake Evans dude. You dont want to see this Chris150 pic related to killing his family. Not uncommon for trolls like him.

@yeahright - Wow! you sound like a sadly pathetic human being. Get some help, please!

-----------"I'm am sure he has learned his lesson already"

Really? Well i hope he learns his lesson in jail, and hopefully life in prison.

Thats the problem all these killers they are getting judged with mental illnesses, and that they probably learned their lesson... they let them out within a couple of years just so they can do it all over again.

thats just sick!!

Oh no, he does not need a light sentence. You don't know whether he has learned his lesson or not. He needs immediate mental help.

He murdered his mother and sister inc old blood. Light sentence my ass, the little @!$%# premeditated it, he deserves the deth penalty. You bleeding heart softie pies make me sick with your forgiveness for cold hearted murderers. He need to be punished for what the hell he did.

As much as I believe it's absurd to pretend like we need to give every criminal a harsh sentence, this kid deserves no leniency.

But thanks to those who believe that rehabilitation is never possible, and think the best solution to crime is to keep putting people in a box after they've caused damage, I don't think our justice system will ever really fix anything. We'll always be stuck treating the symptoms of crime instead of the source.

You have sympathy for this sick piece of garbage? You are a sick piece of garbage, too. Why don't you volunteer to go rot in jail beside this worthless piece if crap? With that attitude, you deserve it.

Thank god for freedom of speech. No one deserves to rot in prison for having an opinion.

Wow-isn't it about time we start getting rid of all the crazies? Forget the appeals process, the laws need to be cut & dry! He admitted it and wanted to kill. Why are we keeping murderers in prison (or rapists)? These people should reap what they sow! Besides, the world is so overpopulated anyway, getting rid of the scum of the earth will be better for our gene pool as well as keep the population in check--just saying...

Good point.

But, the Lord is a cruel mistress or mister if you prefer; I'm not talking about god. I think it's clear things are coming to a head, again, yet again.

I think things like this have been going on for the entire course of human history. Remember Cain and Abel from the Bible?

It's those damn bath salts...

It's the rapidly changing world our kids are growing up in. Hopefully most can adjust to it but it's not surprising that many can't. Kids today need immediate gratification, they are drugged up more than ever (and i'm not even talking recreational drugs I'm talking prescription drugs - adults too), they live in a world of 'sound bites' which affects their abiltity for long term thinking, thus affecting this like studying, school, relationships, etc, they are honed into a fantasy internet world that doesn't offer real life experiences and is usually centered around violence - not to mention the violence they have witnessed in the real world for the past 2 decades, something we did not witness because there wasn't the same media outlets available when we were growing up. Now they see it everywhere and we wonder why it affects them. And it's only going to get worse as technology grows and keeps them in a constant state of comatose.

Remember in the Bible when God wiped out everyone and everything with the exception of one boat in a giant flood or remember when God killed the first born of a country with vengence? Maybe it's not 'evil' forces...if you've read the Bible, you'd know that even their 'good' forces killed, held grudges, etc..

Mike's point seems to be much closer to what is going on.

People are afraid of their kids smoking pot as they get older, but they'll practically shove ritalin or adhd drugs or depression drugs in their f'n baby cereal. They see violence around the world as it happens and see that in a lot of cases, innocent life around the world has no meaning to America.

It's an extremely violent world view for these kids, who otherwise are inundated with stupid 'reality' television.

"innocent life around the world has no meaning to America." THAT REALLY SAYS IT ALL!!!! And again, we wonder why are kids are so f-d up!!!

We are a narcissistic society, all that matters is "ME" or to much "bath salts" without a tub.

The world is exactly the same. 15 years ago we would have been oblivious to all of this. Just think of the things they were doing in the 1800's. Drugs--yes. Putting little girls into brothels. Pouring lye down chidrens throats, torturing animals, and worse.

@ Trooper1953 and all others....How can you possibly blame the deterioration of the general mental state of this country on a drive for success? Asinine!! Why not put the blame where it really belongs, trickling down from parents labeling and drugging their kids and themselves at every turn. Doctors blindly diagnosing and drugging young children, teens and adults with mentally damaging medications, drug companies pushing doctors to prescribe, and the FDA congratulating all of the above and themselves for a total lack of education on the dangers, long term effects, and mental deterioration capabilities of these damn drugs!! Wake up people

One messed up kid! People need to keep thier guns locked up. I remember when I was his age, a loaded gun would have got me in trouble.

This is the focal point of the problems, people, people who refuse to control their actions. Many ignorant liberals want to blame guns for 'turning people into criminals' but it is what is in the persons psyche that is the determinant factor and their ability to control their actions.

The common denominator in all crime is....people. Apply sense where it is needed, not emotional and irrational misdirection of self righteous blame.

Our children are products of our enviroments, its up to us as parents to enstill the ideology of our children for the Good. I personally believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior I'm not saying he has to be yours but i think that bringing a child up in a religous background is good both spiritually and morally. Even if you are not a believer and its your choice to be either way you must see, that most children that are brought up in a religous background tend to be the ones that have the better manners. now there ARE some that are not anything like i said and complete opposite that buck faith and any kind of secular religion regaurdless of their upbringing, that once again falls back on the parents, for either pushing to hard or not enough. Religion isn't something you push on anyone not even your child. It sounds as if this child was not getting the attention he deserved. No Crime should go unpunished but i will pray for this boy even if he is going to jail for the rest of his life. I can not take away what he has done but i can pray for what he will become.

According to this article the family was involved in the church.At least the parents were.

Not being Political with this statement. We have been at War for 11 years now. Just one variable out of many but think about it. A Nation at War is full of anxiety. It is part of War. No we don't have the Bombs dropping on our homes or Missles crashing down around us. We are lucky we are the one's dishing out this Violence on others and they are basically unable to do the same to us. But with any action there is an equal but opposite reaction.
Parents are always busy trying to make a buck. Teachers are overworked. Police no longer work with the Citizens like when I was a kid. The same Cop in my neighborhood patrolled and knew all our names. Instead of arresting, he provided guidance and kept an eye on us hooligans.
Nowdays they just come in to haul someone away, no time for civility.
We used to be able to hang out at the Malls. Kids aren't allowed to do that anymore. We were allowed to skateboard. Kids aren't allowed except in regulated areas. We were allowed to spend endless summer days exploring on our own until the lights came on. Kids can't do that anymore.
They are getting pressed more and more into little Adults with no time to enjoy life unfettered. The rage and frustration comes out in different ways.

signman72

One messed up kid! People need to keep thier guns locked up. I remember when I was his age, a loaded gun would have got me in trouble.

When I was his age, I had numerous guns & ammo.......... I never got in trouble...... Oddly, I think it was due to practicing personal responsibility........

well said

Yeah, he keeps talking about his feelings, himself - how he needs therapy - wow

I wanted to off myself but not other people

was raised to think I was a piece of @!$%# but also with strong ethics about not hurting others and for taking responsibity for ethical action

wierd combination

hope all is much better with you now!

Nope still think about all the time.

From one former soldier to another - thank you for your service. Though I doubt people would consider your lack of remorse for killing in THAT situation to be completely different than cold blooded - premeditated - murder. Your situation dictated that you "Kill or be killed". In that situation, you do what you have to to survive.

And you are correct - something DEFINITELY went wrong with this kid.

To both of you: Thank you for your service. Killing in war is not comparable to this, since in a war, you are fighting for something, and often times in war, you are in a perpetual state of danger. Soldiers simply defend themselves, and protect their country. This act was cold-blooded murder by someone who quite obviously has severe mental issues, and who knows it himself.

totherepublic

Sorry to hear about that leg.... Hope you were able to get some payback...

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!! (from at least one grateful citizen) Hug & Spoil those grand-kids!!!

Jake Evans seems to be a spoiled rotten mental case.

Glad to hear you came back and made it to see your grandchildren. Hope you have lots more years to enjoy them.

I agree, thank you for your service and sacrifice when you were so incredibly young

I think the poster was remembering what it was like to kill. My GUESS is that to kill another human normal people have to harden their heart and intellectualize and not feel in order to do the sometimes necessary-in-the-moment task, especially if it's not in the heat of the moment.

What IS alike with this young killer is how his heart seems closed down. His statement to 911 is devoid of feeling and emotion-less. For whatever reason---I am not at all excusing him and am CERTAINLY not equating what soldiers have to do with this young man---this kid's heart is shut down to any loving feelings. Mental illness? Abuse? He does not talk like a sociopath as he seems to have an intellectual concern about what he just did (from what I read a sociopath wouldnt') just he is detached from it emotionally.

My understanding of the original poster, forgive me if I am wrong, was that he was recognizing perhaps only the emotional detachment humans need to have in order to kill? Just a guess.

@Laurali Methinks the veteran OP was actually telling us what he was doing at the same age, and about the difference in emotions and justification for his experience when compared to this murdering kid.

I salute the OP btw.
1st AD, 1-1 CAV, A-Troop

I agree that there are irresponsible gun owners that exist, that cannot be agrued but those of us that are responsible know to have ours locked up and keys hidden, especially if there are any kids (regardless of age) living in that house. Even if you live alone, you should lock up any firearms. In the event someone were to break into the home, giving a thief your guns is not a good start to anyone's day....except that thief's of course.

I have 4 kids 2 of them are off to college now. Ive always kept guns in the house. I also keep 3 bows (1 compound & 2 recurve) currently the youngest is 14. I taught them at a very young age how to handle the firearms, to respect the capabilities of them, and the responsibilities of owning them, as my father did before me and his before him.

I dont need to have them locked in a safe because they are all responsible with them. In fact only the youngest shows any interest in doing any kind of trap/skeet shooting and hunting.

Before I let him handle the "big guns" I made him go through his firearm safety certification course, teaching him the same things I was teaching him and he recieved his certification.

We as a family have not once had any kind of problem with anyone in the family in concerns with firearms. This not only goes for my family, but for a good portion of the community I live in.

It really mindboggleing when something of this magnitude happens, that all the people come out of the woodwork start to scream "take the guns away, and there will be no more problem!"

I truly believe, if that be the case, that a whole new set of problems will prop up that will be so far out of control, the people will have no way of containing the situation,

My prayers goes out to this family that they find some sort of healing and peace.

and guns are locked away unavailable to anyone who is not trained to use them without supervision. That would be, in my mind, anyone under age 18...or should be.

Would you invite Jake Evans into your home now, knowing what he did?

Fortunately, we do have a courtroom to judge.

Meg, are you judging people who judge?

Oh, but I think I do. This kid just did something horrific that will change many lives. People are voicing their opinions about this incident.

Yes we as adults of a responsible society not only have the room but an obligation to judge and place boundaries on our behaviour...even if it means judging ourselves. I am assuming you are an adult. If not my mistake.

He ended two lives, brought endless pain to other family and close friends, and made the rest of us,, from now till he kicks, bear the financial, custodial burden of his now worse then useless life. All this to feel something, to express rage, to make a change; who knows? The court will judge him, we will vent our anger, pity, or call it a symptom of some greater flaw in human society and demand change, but in the end, @!$%# happens, things and people break. From here we can judge the damage, but I don't think it's fair to say people failed him, or failed to stop him without having been there or having known him well, if thats even possible. I don't even know if at this point, now that he's going to be locked up for life, if you could "fix" him, would you? If you could restore a normal thought pattern, and give him a normal emotional range some how, do you? So he can sit and dwell on his horrible crime ,the death of his mother and sister at his own hand. Fair punishment, perhaps, but otherwise maybe a waste of time and resource. A lot of judging will be going on with this young man for a lifetime.

"Would you invite Jake Evans into your home now, knowing what he did?"

No, I wouldn't but I wouldn't lock him away like a animal either. it's tragic what he did, it sicking hearing what people would do to him.

You bleeding hearts and others who seem to think this kid is some kind of a victim, need to get a grip on reality, IMO. This is an open and shut, 100% solved case. I dont care what kind of issues, or circumstances he may have been surrounded by, THERE IS NO PLAUSIBLE EXCUSE FOR THIS! Plenty, plenty, of people have had issues, likely way worse and more profound than young jake here, and they did not choose to just coldly, unremorsefully, shoot their family members. I will repeat, there is no excuse. Deal with it. I believe one reason this type of violent crime is so rampant these days, is that there is so much coddling and hand wringing and armchair quarterbacking, and very little justice. Swift and true justice, if carried out in a timely, fair, and consistent manner, WOULD be an effective deterrent to this sort of thing. What if in the future, anyone who chooses to behave this way, and decides to do something like this, KNOWS, from example, that they are going to die for it, quickly, and with no fuss or fanfare? Think abut that. The kid needs to be executed, and soon, plain and simple. That is all there is to it. There is no other acceptable or appropriate justice for this. Execution, and as far as I am concerned, start doing it with hanging, firing squad, or the electric chair. Forget this injection crap. Bring back real justice, people! Look at it this way: Obey the law, respect others, and live a fair and just life, and you have NO worries of having to face this yourself. Cross that line, and your ticket will be punched. I believe that would send a message, and clear up the jails and court systems, and stop the insane practice of housing and feeding these monsters for a lifetime. They are of no decent use or purpose to a civilized soceity, and therefore they should be treated as such. No excuse, for this type conduct. The kid has rendered himself nothing more than a worthless liability to our world, and therefore he should be removed from it, promptly. Flame on me, and spin all your compassionate diatribes to me as you like, this is an opinion I have held for as long as I have been of critical thinking capability, and that is as long as I can remember. I believed this even when I was much younger than jake here. I'm not gonna argue or debate this with anybody, and I will not change my mind. If it were my son or other family member, I would feel the ecact same way. This country is gonna have to wake up sooner or later, and start dealing with this stuff. And by the way: I AM A LIBERAL! All the way! But I still have common sense. Thats all it should take for anyone to realize what needs to happen here, common sense. Execute this monster, and promptly.

OK-To those of you who attacked MegSickO'PoliticsToday for telling you not to judge. You all stated that you could and were judging.

I am now judging, and I expect you to accept my judging. I judge that dismembering the unborn with a scalpel or suction is horrendous, barbaric murder. I judge that burning the unborn alive via with saline is a horribly painful way to die.

Since we live in a culture of death, with millions of abortions performed, gory and violent movies on the Internet and TV, and claim that humans have no God to be accountable to, the only surprise is that this doesn't happen more often.

Yay for you, Lou. What does that change?

There has been more bloodshed "approved" by your "god" than you can imagine.

Why did he really do it?

The WHY is irrelevant.

So, please educate us as to exactly who is a "retard". There really isn't much to judge here. HE called and said he did it. PERIOD. End of story.

You're right. We should absolutely take into consideration that this kid may just be an angel and temporarily lost his sanity. He was suffocated by mommy and sissy and disposed of them, as any good child would. This is not a mere sense of judgment, just common sense. You call me and tell me you kill someone, I should just give you the benefit of the doubt that you DIDNT go off the deep end. Great point naturechild. We could all learn a thing or two from you.

yeah he did it, I didn't say he didn't. I am just saying that most of the people on here are somehow coming up with reasons when they don't know the full situation. How do you know he didn't have a mental disorder? Or that he was abused? Etc. Do you have children? I do. I see what they go through on a daily basis with the being picked on and sh&t. Yes he may have been a little spoiled prick that just wanted to kill someone, or there may be some other underlying issue. I am just saying don't rush to judgement. Where did he get the gun anyway? Perhaps his parents needed to be doing a better job?

Perhaps Perhaps Perhaps, that all ur about, its always someone or something elses fault, people like you who have to find a reasonable explanation or blame it on other factors make me sick. Somtimes nature just makes bad people no matter what the envionment or up bringing. get off your high horse.

The WHY is irrelevant.

That's exactly what's wrong with our society. We see something like this occur and think the "why" is irrelevant. The 'why' is extremely relevant, things like this shouldn't be happening - especially to a family who seems to be growing up in a normal healthy environment. We need to understand what's happening to our children because we are witnessing these odd horrific occurences at an alarming rate. The 'why' is more irrelevant than ever. And nobody here is saying this kid should be foregiven or shouldn't be held responsible, but there's a much bigger picture here that we need to understand because one day your own "nice, gentle" child may walk into your bedroom one night and blow you away for no reason.

Mike-exactly.

natureschild exactly and well said. Interesting that the father was away~don't everyone go nutz about dad being gone but it does say something. And home schooled, why? If the family knew he had some social problems and wasn't getting help, homeschooling him might not have been the right thing to do.

None of us was there for the years it took to make this mental monster. I will say this...when that child was born, he did not ask to be monster. Something always happens to make them they way they turn out.

Disconnected? from what little he did say-he sounded like he didn't have any friends and wasn't engaged in normal teen life.

Perfect family life? I highly doubt it.

Although I'm not a fan of using the term "retard," naturechild does make a great point. Everyone is trying to give the kid the death penalty and there could be more to the story. Wait until all the facts are out. Abuse, mental disorder, irresponsible gun owner, who knows what the rest of the story is? Where is Paul Harvey when you need him?

The 'why' is not relevant? What a callous viewpoint!

Any community involved in such violence cannot move forward by ignoring either causes or underlying issues; hence, the 'why' is always relevant. Society needs information, before it may morally judge and punish.

At this point, nobody has enough information to determine whether this child is legally responsible for his actions.

What we know is sufficient only for flibbertigibbets, nincompoops and twits to eagerly play with, building mountains out of molehills. Are they 'retarded'? Let the judgers judge themselves.

I agree naturechild, something went wrong with this child he also requested no visitation from his family, this is a very sad situation for the entire family.

The 'why' is not relevant? What a callous viewpoint!

Any community involved in such violence cannot move forward by ignoring either causes or underlying issues; hence, the 'why' is always relevant. Societies need information, before they may morally judge and punish.

At this point, nobody has enough information to determine whether this child is legally responsible for his actions or what action should be taken after the courts rule.

What we know today is sufficient only for flibbertigibbets, nincompoops and twits, with which they build the same old mountains out of molehills. Is this retarded? Let the judgers judge themselves.

this is so messed up! another wanna be .... i want to be somebody! so ill kill to be somebody.... people need to love themselfs for who you are! (self hate) only harms you and others...

Naturechild: First of all calling everyone on the vine a "retard" is just as judgmental as you are accusing them of being. In fact it is very offensive to those who know what the term really means. Individuals who have mental retardation really don't appreciate the term being used as a slur. Parents of those children find it extremely offensive too. So while you are telling people not to judge you may want to refrain from doing it yourself.

Secondly, your assumption that a news article will cover all possible aspects of a complicated family matter such as this, that ends in a double homicide is really a reach. Did you expect them to know why at this point in the reporting?

Hmmmm. Yep more going on here than a short article can possibly cover. Isn't that true of most news reports? So to be real, you can't say for sure he ISN'T a heinous monster any more than others can say he IS. You don't know for sure either. Guess what... not enough information means just that... we don't know squat.

It is all speculation. From what he is saying, his own words, imply he is narcissistic, probably a sociopath, very self-centered (I'm going to be messed up as opposed to I just mess up my dad's life, my mom and little sister), and I was feeling suffocated." It was all about him, "me, me , me....." Just not really normal to think about killing "just anyone for a while."

Hmmm... can't imagine why people have a negative opinion of him. He wasn't 4 or 5 he was almost 18... So yeah, people think he is probably sick and respond negatively and don't want him loose in their neighborhood. Go figure.

Jesus and the bible has nothing to do with this. If you knew Him and read it, you would know.

@Rev J Wright - Most despicable post of the day. Sometimes I think people like you just lurk on the news sites, waiting for the perfect article to make your disgusting point.

Okay, let's raise children in an even more stressful environment than they alREADY have. Let's pile on the expectations and pressure. That will definitely make things like this happen LESS.

Lets see, when I was young I was spanked when I messed up badly. I never shot anyone because of it, I never HATED my parents because of it and enacted revenge and I learned that it was the right thing to do to respect my elders. I then grew up to jooin the military, special forces, serve my country and now continue to train the military and teach protection courses to the public. So.....today, children are not spanked, they are bargained with, they dont know the repercussions from their actions because they are given everything and bartered with by their parents and when someone informs them about the old days and how well discipline worked they cry about "its abuse" and "think about the mental duress caused to that child". That is what is wrong today, no one disciplines their children and they all cry about helping them by giving them more and making them actually realize the error of their ways.

Yup, redmoth, lets keep catering and not actually RAISING our children so they can remain weak minded and then, when it all comes crumbling down around you because these will be the people that are taking care of you when you are old, then you can wish there was actually some discipline that was enacted upon today's youth. Look up EMO on the internet and do some reading.....I dont recall any EMO kids when I was growing up.....could it be a "cry for help and discipline?" I think it may but because of people like you, they dont get it and will never know what it is like to actually have to pay for their actions and get immediate correction. Great job, go coddle another future killer

Whenever I see someone says something like this, I point them to a famous quote by Socrates:

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Or another quote by Plato:

"The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress."

MikeDP and CommonSense- Great post, this is exactly what's missing today.

As bad as this was. Youth violence was a lot worse in the early 1990's. It has actually declined by half since 1993.

I think the fact that his mother took him out of school to homeschool him, shows that she was a loving and involved/concerned parent. She was probably thinking she could "fix"/help him. What she probably didn't realize, however, was that his problems were/are way more than what she could "fix" alone.

That said, why didn't the public school (teachers) he was in realize his abnormal behavior (...or did they and that is why he was homeschooled?)? Why didn't his Dr. notice this? Didn't he go to yearly check ups, or at least see the Dr. when he had to get immunizations for school?

Annika3: I think you hit the nail on the head with the mom thinking she could "fix" him. I see a lot of this going on. Parents often don't understand or don't want to accept that their kids need serious help (for whatever reason). I'm going to speculate (and it is pure speculation) others noticed things, but she was trying to "fix" it. Too bad they didn't get the needed help before this happened. It's too late now.

my thoughts exactly

gigi how about this idea~ maybe his parents failed him. Maybe he needed help and it wasn't forthcoming.

Monsters don't just make themselves up. Something usually happens to make a person act in such a manner.

He probably should've been taken to a pediatric specialist in mental disorders a long time ago.

It's too easy to second guess. But my guess is, he had problems that went untreated for years.

My first thoughts were that something went wrong when his parents took him away from his peers to be homeschooled - I don't think it was him per se, because they homeschooled other children....we know nothing about the real situation of the parents - and what went wrong at home - but something DID go wrong at home - obviously. He was a very frustrated person. And able to get ahold of a gun, Texas.....

You just took the words right out of my mouth and the prisoners are going to look at him as "fair game," and I really hope they show him just what "LIFE," is all about! He has no respect for life and I say "LETS FRY HIM!!" He isn't worth the words we write about him with.

I wouldlike to clarify that when I staed my thoughts excactly I apparently didnt read the last sentence very well. I don't anyone needed to die in this scenerio.

mooonie: I think you have some very good points. Often parents don't see or for whatever reason won't see how much their children need serious help. Sometimes its their own ego, sometimes its other things. But I've seen it in lots of cases like this and not just with kids. Spouses who say, "I didn't think she'd really do that." When all the signs were there....

I get really frustrated when someone goes out and commits a heinous crime like this and almost always the next line is, "they were such a quiet person, so nice, never a problem." At least in the press, next thing we hear is all the horror stories of what was really going on....

There are always signs. Sometimes people don't know what to look for, are in denial, aren't really paying attention, etc. It isn't that hindsight is 20/20 if you are looking BEFORE, and trained you will see them. But then you have to act on it.

People need to be willing to do what needs to be done regardless of who needs the help or intervention. You are correct.... monsters don't make themselves... they aren't born that way... something happens and then it grows without intervention...

I don't know where it went wrong but something went wrong here... Now there are and have to be consequences, unfortunately too late for mom, his sister and the family to "fix it" now.

julz517: You make some very good points. People need to wake up and stop thinking, "my kid/spouse/friend would never...." However, the mug shot means nothing. Sociopaths can look really sad and not feel a thing. They are usually sad for themselves... others can look "evil" due to defense mechanisms...so we don't really know what he was feeling.

I think that is irrelevant, however. There have to be consequences when you kill someone. What those are will be up to those who are more involved (fortunately) than people on the vine. But there will be consequences.

Hopefully, someone will get the message BEFORE their child, spouse, or friend kills someone. Maybe FOR ONCE they will get the help they need BEFORE they kill or hurt someone. So then there would be no articles like this, and that would suit me just fine. Yeah, I know wishful thinking...