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Subscribe to RSSThe Catholic Church on Thursday installed Salvatore Cordileone, a leader in the fight against same-sex marriage, as archbishop of the Archdiocese of San Francisco.
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Bishop Salvatore Cordileone, bishop of Oakland since 2009, is shown in this publicity photo released to Reuters August 27, 2012. Cordileone, renowned for his conservative stance on same-sex marriage, has been arrested in his native San Diego for drunk driving, police said on August 27, 2012.
Following his installation as the religious leader of more than 500,000 Catholics in the largely gay-friendly Bay Area, Cordileone, 56, delivered a sermon and spoke about his recent arrest after failing a sobriety test at a police checkpoint.
"God has always had a way of putting me in my place," he said. "With the last episode in my life, God has outdone himself."
Cordileone spent about 11 hours in a San Diego jail cell in August after he was arrested on suspicion of drunken driving. On Monday, he pleaded guilty to driving with alcohol in his system, said Gina Coburn, spokeswoman for the San Diego City Attorney.
Cordileone has been particularly outspoken in Church opposition to same-sex matrimony as chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage, a role that has put him at odds with many Bay Area Catholics.
He also led Church support for the 2008 voter-approved California state constitutional amendment, Proposition 8, that banned gay marriage.
Same-sex marriage, which the majority of Catholics support, according to a report from the Public Religion Research Institute,will likely be a key issue in the upcoming elections. President Barack Obama voiced his support of gay marriage earlier this year.
Other bishops, such as Archbishop John J. Myers of Newark, N.J., have also expressed strong opposition to gay marriage. Myers urged Catholics who support same-sex marriage to refrain from communion, NPR reported. In Maryland, the Archbishop of Baltimore co-hosted a fundraiser to fight gay marriage in that state, according to NPR.
For his part, Cordileone wants to deny communion to Catholics who are in an active gay relationship.
While taking his place as the archbishop of San Francisco and two other area counties, Cordileone called the drunken driving incident a "regrettable mistake."
Pope Benedict appointed Cordileone to preside over the Archdiocese of San Francisco in July.
"The archbishop is an advocate for immigrants and an opponent of the death penalty, but he comes here perceived as a one-issue bishop," Brian Cahill, former San Francisco Catholic Charities executive director, wrote in an editorial published in the San Francisco Chronicle on Wednesday.
"He can continue to be the aggressive, outspoken leader of the American Catholic bishops in their effort to prevent civil gay marriage, or he can be the shepherd of his flock. He can't be both, and if he tries, he will fail."
Cordileone said his grandfather settled in San Francisco 100 years ago.
"If someone had told him that his grandson would become the archbishop of this place, I'm sure he would think they were out of their mind," he said. "I'm sure there are people who think that today."
About 2,000 people, including 40 bishops, attended the installation and mass in the Cathedral of St. Mary. Outside the church, dozens of supporters carrying welcoming banners mixed with protesters, including the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence -- a group of gay male activists who dress as nuns.
Reuters contributed to this report.
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There are many other countries in the world that look down upon homosexuality. You can call them primative or uncivilized but it goes toward reason that there is something inherently wrong with homosexuality. You may disagree but frankly i don't give a damn. Homo's are meant to stay in the closet and it's a shame that society is becoming more tolerant of this atrocious behavior. I took a peak at another article that shows just how f'd up society is becoming (this is from Canada). "Canada's top court says some HIV carriers may withhold condition from partners". Reading crap like this, i could care less about the effect it has on the homosexual portion of society. But it sure is a bad ruling when it comes down to unborn children being effected.
I say all of the above from a non-religious stand point. I find it funny society is becoming more tolerant especially since 90% of the men i know, can't stand homosexual behavior. Call them bigots, intolerants or whatever you may chose. Honestly, those words have no effect on us especially coming from homosexuals. I'm sorry but your opinions are at the bottom of the barrel. As a man, when you put male genitale in your mouth or anus, your opinion goes right down the toilet. I speak for many real men!!!
No surprise that the Christian Taliban in America shares the same view about gays as the Afghan Taliban.
hopefully the ranks keep swelling
What's wrong is that cults of bigots and child molester supporters exist all over the world. And yes, if you are a catholic you are a supporter of child abuse and molestation if you haven't had everyone ever involved with it prosecuted, sued and put in prison. Nice to know you also care about children so wholeheartedly as we as who someone has a loving relationship.
Society isn't "becoming more tolerant." What you are seeing is a well-orchestrated propaganda campaign being waged by leftist media outlets like NBC News to advance an agenda
Thanks for the clarification King. Sometimes I find myself succumbing to the lies perpetuated by these websites.
Conspiracy Theories: The last attempt of the desperate man, who doesn't have the facts or the laws on his side.
"What's wrong is that cults of bigots and child molester supporters exist all over the world"
No what is wrong is homosexuals throwing bug parties trying to spread aids. gee, how people have forgotten those sick atrocities
Shame on you MSN for the hateful headline, "Bay Area gets anti-gay bishop". Opposing same-sex marriage is NOT THE SAME as being anti-gay. The new Archbishop opposes gay-marriage which, despite what I've read on previous posts, all Vatican-abiding Catholics also oppose.
Exactly! Just because he thinks gays should be 2nd-class citizens who are denied legal equality, and thinks that his sharia laws should be enforced by the government, that doesn't make him a dumb bigot or a theocrat!
It's just like the Southern Baptists and Mormons 50 years ago who wanted mixed-race marriage should be illegal.....just because they didn't want blacks marrying whites doesn't mean they were racists, does it?
skrekk whines like a gay man playing a violin
Another supporter of a cult that protects child abusers and acts like that never happened. How proud u must be!
Another supporter of the gay community who hold themselves up to such high standards like having "AIDs parties"
This is why MSN is a propaganda mill. He's not anti-gay. He's against gay unions being defined as 'marriage'. Not the same, but nuance is deliberately jettisoned by the propagandists who spin the headlines - headlines that they know are the only thing most folks will ever read.
Being anti-gay-marriage means being pro-gays-should-be-second-class-citizens. That's pretty much the definition of "anti-" anything.
Anyone who supports this cult of people who protected people who sexually abused and likely continually sexually abuse children is as big a loser as this cardinal. Absolutely disgusting that y'all try to ignore the pathetic acts of so many leaders in your CULT. If you all really believe what you are taught and teach you will all go to hell. Who gives a crap what is said about gay marriage, civil unions, whatever. It's a cult of bigots and sexual molesters and those who protect them which includes the parishoners, congregations and everyone associated with the CATHOLIC CULT.
The sooner we grow up to the fact that SEX is a physical act, and not some holy ritual where the angels come down and sing hymns as you blow your wad, the sooner we can get by this "gay thing" and just let people have sex with who they want. (Legal age of course)
If they want to be married, SO THE F!CK WHAT? get over it neo bible thumpers and pedophile hypocrites.
Geez, did you stone your wife when you caught her with the mailman?! NO, so let it Gooooooooooooooo...
weathermen, we the American people have seen the consequences of your "anything goes, all is permitted" view of sex over the past forty or so years (rampant divorce; single motherhood which, far from being liberating, invariably condemns a woman to poverty; widespread pornography, ad nauseam). We've seen your future, it doesn't work, and your side's latest project (so-called same-sex marriage) is dead on arrival as far as we are concerned. Deal with it: your side's day is done!
Strange.....you bigots keep losing in court on the marriage equality issue. For example, DOMA is about to be struck down and Prop h8 has already been struck down and is unlikely to be heard by SCOTUS.
Why is it your side keeps losing?
OldKingBlog
Fall off the map already bigot, your days are numbered.
Rory Weber 210
Your posts are so stupid theyre actually funny. How did you even find the "on" button of your computer? LMAO
You remind me of the guy who calls tech support to say his PC wont turn on, and when the tech asks him if its plugged in, he says, "I cant see the plug, the power is out in my house".
The "power" has been out in your house for awhile, huh sport...
Actually it is YOUR days that are numbered weatherman. It may be a sexual act for you but it is MORE than that in God's eyes. It is a UNION of not only body, but soul, and spirit. You have no clue, and that is understandable because the ungodly want to be "god" and tell God Almighty to take a hike. You will learn though that you are NOT "god", and I hope you will come to a knowledge of the TRUTH and adhere to it, otherwise you will be condemned.
Even nature teaches us that homosexuality is perverse. You have to harden your conscience and heart very much to deny what God has expressly condemned as evil and wicked, and that is what worship of the FLESH nature will do, harden your heart and sear your conscience to where whatever you want to do is what you do with total disregard to God and his Holy Spirit and Word.
What "sexual act" are you talking about? FYI, gays and straights engage in pretty much the same sexual acts.
Another FYI.....the state doesn't give a crap about your imaginary friend in the sky.
And HE will do likewise for you when you face him. You godless fools think people like me never used to think like you....well you are wrong. Hopefully you will repent, as I have and others also. As it is now, you are a deluded fool, good luck with that but even good luck cannot change your hardened heart.
Really? then why is this dog humping my leg?
If we could sound-track these posts yours would be posted to the "twilight zone" theme song.
I knew you Neo nutz thought the angels came down and sang hymns while you blow your wads........
Your dog is humping your leg because he is an ANIMAL and NOT a living being. Your dog found the SAME SPIRIT in you that is IN HIM, that of an animal. Why would you let a dog hump your leg?
Ahem... In my always eloquent manner...
Neener. Neener. Neener. Your God doesn't matter. La-La-La-La-La-La. We have a 1st Amendment. We have a 1st Amendment. We have a 1st Amendment.
(Not my most mature post, but hell, sometimes you gotta dumb it down for some of these folks.)
Well God does not matter to YOU, and YOU will not matter to him either. Your life is headed for a HUGE disaster of hell. I hope you have to guts to repent when it does.
You have the right to be a godless fool, but that does NOT give you the "right" that others like it.
Mother nature tolerates homosexuality is such a weak argument for the gay community. If that's your excuse then i guess we should tolerate infanticide as well huh?
Huh?
Sarah, you didnt dumb it down enough for him..LOL
Weathermen,
I don't know if I can. Hmmm... Let's try this.
Libs,
I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say, bounces off me and... I could STILL care less if you think it's right. Know why???
I'm free from your religion. I'm free from your religion. I'm free from your religion. I'm gonna support abortion. And I'm gonna support gay rights. And I'm gonna love the Muslims. Cause I'm free from your religion. I'm free from your religion. I'm free from your religion.
Weathermen,
Wow, am I adding to the conversation tonight or what? Too much paper writing has made me lose it.
Thats ok...reading these neo nut posts is funnier than watching Chris Rock..LMAO
Sarah, If your going to represent a cause act like an adult, not a cry baby child. A cause needs mature people representing it. Otherwise your not an asset to the cause. At this point you are helping the other side more than yours because you sound like you are unstable or on drugs. The best thing you can do is shut up.
I guess that leaves out all you bible-thumpers, eh?
Royal Pain,
Make me! Oh wait, you only have the guts to tell people that, via internet.
You asked for it...
We've been through this sooo many times. I feel like the others are getting sick of reading it. And you know, YOU'RE the one who wants to limit what citizens can do, so it should really be YOU providing evidence as to why it WOULD lead to incest. So I ask you this...
Why doesn't straight marriage?
First, there are certain "protected classes" laid out in the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act. Two of them are race and gender. In the Supreme Court case Loving v Virginia, SCOTUS ruled that,
Now this case was based on race, BUT to support gay marriage, all you have to do is change race to GENDER, another protected class. PLUS, the 14th Amendment has a little something called the "Privileges and Immunities" clause. Which means, you can't deny the citizens, their privileges, or immunities, based on those classes. In this case, that'd be gender.
So, since marriage is a legal (that means law) contract, that comes with PRIVILEGES, you can't deny citizens, without a damn good, already been shown to exist, reason, based on gender, among other things. So, if the state can't prove a reason, to deny privileges to people based on gender, they can't make that particular law. Now, put it together. If two gay people want to enter a contract, and the state tells them they can't, because of the gender of one of the parties, THAT'S A BIG NO NO.
Also, the logic that gay people are free to marry, just as you are, i.e they're free to marry one of the opposite sex, is the EXACT same defense that Virginia used in their defense, again just turn gender to race.
The court ruled, AGAINST that logic.
Second, you have an implied right to privacy, mostly through the 9th and 4th Amendments. In a the SCOTUS case Lawrence v Texas, the court said this...
Third, AGAIN, marriage is a civil contract, that comes with over 1,000 benefits granted by the state. Most of these benefits deal with property, insurance, tax and probate law. Civil unions, do NOT grant equivalent benefits. In order to enter a legal contract, the parties have to have LEGAL CAPACITY FOR INFORMED CONSENT.
Furthermore, marriages are NOT religious, that's Holy Matrimony, which a church can NEVER be forced to perform against its dogma, due to protections in the 1st Amendment. This is why people can, and do, get married any day without ever stepping foot in a church.
Also, marriage has NOTHING to do with procreation. After all, we let people have kids OUTSIDE of marriage, and NOT have kids while married.
Fourth, there are very few limited reasons for the government to discriminate in law, against one of these protected classes, and in order to do so, the government has to pass the test of strict scrutiny, which is that compelling state interest mentioned in Lawrence v Texas.
So....
The real question, those making the case for continuing the gender based discrimination of DOMA is, what is that compelling state interest? And before we start talking about marrying appliances, nephews, sheep, or dead people, ask yourselves this...
Since the only difference between a gay marriage and a straight marriage, is the gender of a single party, what is inherent to that single party's gender which would lead to bestiality, incest, polygamy, pedophilia, or marrying inanimate objects? Remember, you're ONLY changing ONE person's GENDER, so logically, it must be something within that one person's gender, which would lead you to believe gay marriage would open the door to any of those things, so... WHAT IS IT? Why would gay marriage lead to the repeal of the laws we have on the books, banning all those things?
Or, in easier terms...
Why doesn't STRAIGHT marriage lead to any of that?
Good thing, copying and pasting is an option, because there was NO WAY, I was retyping all of that.
Now what was I saying, something about neener, neener, neener???
Royal,
Aren't you going to answer my questions? I mean, how rude? You tell me to add something of value, and then you ignore it?
Come on now... You were sooo brave a moment ago.
Did you just loose it? You and Shreek would make a good couple.
Loose it? What? No, I STILL can't get my pickle jar open.
Now, can you answer my questions. Please.
Damn Pickles, have been sitting in there for a month.
First things first:
1. Have you ever been diagnosed as being Bipolar?
2. Have you ever had fantasies of being like the lead woman in Fatal Attraction?
3. Have you ever had a spouse suddenly disappear never to be found by authorities?
Royal,
Stop trying to make this about me. Your focus on me is getting creepy.
You were the one that engaged me and asked for something of substance. I'm just fulfilling your request. So, as per YOU, first, things first...
Answer my questions. I'm even saying Please.
Royal, quit while you're behind. Your last post was nothing but personal attacks and has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
I guess it's safe to say he isn't going to answer my questions.
RoyalPain-3393481, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence -- a group of gay male activists who dress as nuns?
I guess ridicule goes both ways, eh?
Some folk can dish it out, but can't take it.
Anti-gay in an all gay town. Something will happen.
Yes, hopefully sanity and normalcy and virtue and decency will break out!
Another scumbag leader in a cult system wanting to protect the sanctity of their sacraments, likely including the unspoken one of sexually abusing children.
archman, take your anti-Catholic bigotry and you know where you can put it!
Just one comment: my very best wishes to the new archbishop; it's high time sanity and virtue were brought to that left coast pest-hole of degeneracy. I stand with him foursquare!
The Catholic church is so full of hypocrisy and brutal persecution of the human race that it should be placed in the same category of the Muslims who openly murder even their own people in the name of God. I have read accounts of the Inquisitions where murderous mobs of people cheered in a carnival atmosphere at the suffering of people being literally ripped apart to the delight of the religious fanatics.
After reading about the development of The Roman Catholic church and all of the human rights violations and transgressions against humanity, I cannot see why we tolerate its existence? Popes declared themselves Gods and dared their bishops to oppose them. Pious made a deal with Hitler that cost all of the Jews in Rome and most of Europe to be killed with the Church's blessings and assistance. The history between Germany and Catholics goes way back to the days of fighting the Ottoman Empire. The pious Catholics say they uphold the laws of Christ and God, both claims are outright Heresy during the thousand years between the death of Christ and the birth of the Roman Catholics, the writings of the Hebrews were gone over and rewritten dozens of times. The few letters of the apostles were transformed into the New testament hundreds of years after their deaths. all of this was sanctioned, paid for and approved of by the Roman Catholics to create the Cannon of Law that we use today.
Christ was killed for opposing the Hebrew laws and teachings and we can even see the truth in the New Testament. You need to read around the angelic slant the Catholics placed onto the history, but it is there.
They condemn Homosexuals but keep Nuns and so called celibate priest that sleep with boys. I call that state sanctioned pedophiles, what do you call it? The Nuns are persecuted in the same way the Muslim women are in order to maintain the male superiority.
As to the bishop's DUI, I have not ever met a Catholic that did not have a drinking problem, I say not yet, but I am young.
We humans do not have the right to judge others as if we were God. But the self righteous do just that to a point of using the power of God in the measure of LIFE and DEATH. Who lives and who dies?
Until the hateful laws of Moses were applied to humanity, Homosexuality was a common and very normal lifestyle in all the great cultures of the world.
A brief history of Religion as we know it:
When people quote from the old testament, they either are unaware of or want to
ignore the source of the writings.
The Jews were slaves of the Egyptians who used them as well as other slave nations
to build the great empire and its lasting architecture. Four thousand years went by, and by the account of the life of Moses around 2500BC, he grew up in Pharaoh's household as a prince. A Jewish prince in the house of Pharaoh.
He led the tribes out of Egypt in search of the promised land. He eventually settled in the land of Canaan, but look at the history of that region. It was continually contested by wars for time on end.
The ancient writings of the Hebrews were a culmination of tales of creation and of
the great genetic line of Abraham. As Moses led his people around looking for the "Promised" lands, he led the tribes near other civilizations and city states like ancient Babylon. That was too bad for the places he visited.
His tribes were tired of wandering on the way to Canaan, and many wanted to stop and assimilate into local societies. Moses wrote his five books of law to stop this from happening. How did the laws do this? The answer is by pain of death. Moses laws were ordained as Divine Inspiration and as such were the direct communication from God to Moses.
He wrote the laws, and to break a law was a sin. The wages of sin is death, and to
break a law was to die as ordained by Moses and god. He enforced the laws by
giving permission for the True Believer to enforce the laws as Gang or Mob rule. The fact that a violent mob can take it upon themselves to murder people in God's name gives the laws validity as a sort of unity. It also served to send a message to any who might oppose the persons behind the power, "Defy me and you will die".
Muhammad stole the Hebrew writings and added some of his own justice to it in the 7th Century AD.
These people we see in the news today shouting and killing people are acting exactly
as we would have seen in Jesus' time and before/during Moses a thousand years earlier.
What is relevant about this is that we are seeing a reenactment of the religious
persecution of over four thousand years ago acted out today. This type of fanaticism does not go away by itself, it, by its own nature must die a violent death since Violence is the fuel that drives the engine.
When Jesus opposed the Police State of the Hebrews and died for his efforts, the Hebrew state kept gaining in military power to a point where they made the mistake of challenging their Masters, the Romans some 45 years later. They lost and became reduced to the status of slaves to be tortured and murdered alongside of the Christians in the coliseums for the entertainment of the loyal subjects of Rome. Because they murdered Christ, they have suffered since they lost the friendship of their protectors, the Romans. The Romans later became Catholics (400ad-1000ad), go figure.
Before I am criticized for not providing exact date, I am writhing from memory and not
teaching a class. I am trying to demonstrate the origin of so much of the
hatred we have seen derived from this religious foundation.
So many people today want to hate for a variety of reasons including homosexuality. Read history, and determine for yourself what is true. Hatred or Homosexuality come from Moses laws since he had to condemn the city states he and his tribe were near. The Homosexual human emotion is natural as we see in history and was a socially accepted normal human response until Moses need some sort of hatred to unify his tribes and to threaten his own people with Death as a consequence.
Personally, I do not believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God at all. I believe his people wanted to stay there and he ordered the place destroyed. He is the
author, and controlled what history recorded, so he had the power to write whatever he wanted history to read. That is just deductive reasoning from an educated standpoint. Since the Ancient writings were edited and rewritten over a period of a thousand years after the death of Christ, who living can say what the ancient scrolls truly say. Before the Christian laws were made into law, the Romans literally hired hundreds of Scholars to put the writings into a usable form that we see today. The purpose for the writings is the same today as it was during the time of moses when it was written, to control large masses of people. FEAR GOD, LOVE JESUS is the massage. Jesus had no part is that message, as he had been dead and gone from Earth for a thousand years.
Lazarus
You are absolutely WRONG. You don't even know what the Old or NEW COVENANT in Christ's blood state. The NEW COVENANT expressly condemns homosexuality and ALL sexual immorality.
You cannot be a Christian and say staying in an active SEXUALLY IMMORAL life style is not sin against God. It will send you to hell forever.
Rory Weber 210
Your posts are so stupid theyre actually funny. How did you even find the "on" button of your computer? LMAO
See, I can troll too. LOL
Libs...,
Your response only shows that you are ignorant of history relating to the Christ and his life and the thousand years after his death. The rise of the Roman Catholic church was just a mechanism to continue to control the defunct Roman Empire using the Hebrew teaching to manifest the power of God through the threat of death for sins against the church.
I know much more about Jesus that you may think, he has brought me to you with a message. "Stop using my name to persecute people. I am a Shepard and a teacher, not a tax collector, or a judge." That is the message I believe he was sending as he passed the Holy Ghost.
You will of course believe what you will. Jesus said "My father has a house with many rooms..." I believe he never meant for a single person to die in his name as he suffered on the cross. But that is just what state sanctioned religion does, control by the threat of death.
When the People and Napoleon especially, stopped the Pope's power of life and death over mankind, the new message was that Hell is the death to expect. The cheering crowds could no longer stand and observe people being tortured, drawn and quartered, or burned alive for sins, real or imagined. Now we were threatened with a languishing death in Hell for eternity. It is still a powerful threat to recon with, but I bet the Pope and his Bishops miss the good ole days where they could deal out torture and death like ordering from a menu.
Lazarus
Then you serve a FALSE "god" you devil from hell. The ONLY thing you hear is Satan. I KNOW GOD, and HIS WORD and HIS SPIRIT and YOU WILL be JUDGED for your PRESUMTIOUSNESS to say you "speak for God" when you have NOT and DO NOT KNOW HIM.
I pity you. The Bible and CHRIST expressly state and CONDEMN ALL SEXUAL IMMORALITY and LIARS, which you most definitely are as evil and wicked and led by their FLESHLY LUST and the "spirit of the devil".
Go back to your father Satan and tell him I stand for Christ, and to the LORD REBUKE HIM.
YOU are the IGNORANT one. You don't have a clue what the Bible states NOR what the SPIRIT says to the people of God. You are delusional, confused, and possessed of the evil one.
I am not standing for anything or anyone but God. YOU are deceived. You better pray and pray hard.
Larry, do you have copyrights to that book you just wrote? seriously, I THINK I agree with you, but im not sure...........LOL
You are now breaking a covenant with God in the judgement of me because my God has brought me here today to accuse you of judging others and for you to presume to condemn someone is heresy. You know nothing about me or what brought me here. Perhaps you should go to the website for Islam and Executions to see one of your God's religions in action as the crowd of a hundred people throw stones the size of grapefruits and kill a young couple slowly. They are placed in a shallow grave still slightly moving. Their crime comes from Hebrew writing's as interpreted by Islam, but originates from the same source as the Old Testament.
She was promised to marry an older man, but fell in love with the person sharing her death. Have you ever asked yourself how Abraham had so many wives and concubines? While you are at it ask yourself what a concubine is? She is a slave sold for sex. Also the Harems were "Manned" by Eunuchs. What is a Eunuch? google it and see. Also read Romans and see what Jesus says about Eunuchs. Fascinating stuff if you dare to go beyond your self inflicted ignorance.
Respectfully,
Lazarus
Weatherman,
As a matter of fact I do, and I hope to have the long version in print next year.
Lazarus
God did NOT bring you anywhere, you devil from hell. You are about as Christian as Judas Iscariot.
You don't hear God at all you are a self deluded son of the devil. I have not broken anything, you don't have a clue about what the Bible teaches let alone what the Spirit of God is saying.
Your "god" is Satan, not Jehovah God Almighty. Hope your little self exalting posts make you feel superior, because hell is coming your way.
Larry - I'l buy a copy.
Hell is being on earth living with bigots and ignorant backwoods dark age bible thumpers that torture non-believers, Burn "witches", and rape little boys.
Libsareidiots...you sound a little insane bro.
You call people idiots but you seem to be taking your approach to life and others based on a book that talks about talking snakes, how it's a sin to wear mixed fabrics, that some dude build a boat and took 2 of ever creature on it while your God murdered everyone else on earth, about stoning people to death, that a virgin got pregnant, that someone walked on water, keeping slaves, polygamy, etc...
But yeah, all those other people are idiots....
And I'm sure you can quote this using the original Greek translations, right?
Doubt it.
Yeah, no. Unlike you, I read the original words and know their meanings, instead of blindly following the idiots in the church who merely seek world domination.
Ahahahahahah. I could care less about your god, in the end. He's nothing more than another pretender without even the ability to prove himself or his supremacy. At the exact same level as all other deities.
Everyone is coming up with their own polls to support their opinion. The poll that states that the majority of catholics are in favor of homosexual marriage goes beyond any concept of junk science. It is self serving bs.
Every poll on this issue has shown that Catholics support marriage equality more than the general public.
Then they are not faithful to God if they condone what God expressly forbids as a SIN that HE JUDGES as evil and wicked.
Rory Weber 210
Your posts are so stupid theyre actually funny. How did you even find the "on" button of your computer? LMAO
Or they simply understand the difference between the legal contract of marriage and the completely irrelevant religious rite of holy matrimony.
It also could be that they think government shouldn't be used to enforce Catholic sharia law on everyone. Maybe they believe in the 1st Amendment?
YOUR opinions are NOT what I follow, you are NOT God, but you "think" you are. Government is also NOT God but you want it be so YOU can CONTROL OTHERS and FORCE them to follow YOU,
YOU are NOT God...get it yet? I doubt it, but one day .... you will.
Correct, and your imaginary friend isn't even a US citizen so he doesn't get a vote on this matter.
It's our constitution that rules here, not your bible-babble.
WRONG, God rules you only think you or the government does. You are deceived because you have the nature of your father the DECEIVED one.
Idiots, if your imaginary friend wants to rule here he'll first have to rape another virgin on US soil so that the progeny will be a US citizen. Then he'll have to wait 35 years so that his rape-progeny can be old enough to run for President. Then he'll actually have to win election........and unfortunately you Christofascists haven't been doing very well in the polls lately.
Maybe that's why you nuts oppose all abortion and contraception? So that your imaginary friend is free to "legitimately rape" a woman and force her to carry the bastard to term so that your imaginary friend can run for office and impose a theocracy?
You are a godless fool. God does not operate according to man's laws or ways. LOL!!!!!
You are so deceived and full of the devil, and .... you don't even know he is whom you worship and serve.
Skrekk,
God's an "illegal"!!! Holy @!$%#! Deport him!
Yep....Jesus was the original anchor baby.
My only question is whether Todd Akin thinks Jesus is the result of a legitimate rape, and why Mary's magic lady parts didn't prevent the pregnancy?
Seriously, did you escape a straitjacket somewhere?
the angels that destroyed sodom gomorrah admah zeboim and zoar are on this earth and in this nation. go look at the dead sea and you will know what is going to happen to the homosexuals lesbians and pedophiles and adulterers in this nation. when they decided to gang rape angels that was their end just like a thief in the night; you cannot stop what those angels are going to do you can reason yourselves into all the wickedness you want by the time His vengeance comes it will be too late you will have made your decision He won't ask you for your opinion He will not listen to you when you cry and scream for one more chance He will simply destroy.You murdered His Son ,Blasphemed the Holy Spirit, and condemned and killed the just and did it with a Heaven daring insolence and a high hand. The angels will tell you"Too Late, Too Late!" So go ahead and Mock! Exult and triumph in your devil worship,you- just like Lucifer will pronounce your own doom and declare the exact number of days you deserve to burn in the lake of fire and you will pay for your crimes with your own soul and burn up in that lake and forever cease to exist .
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If he preaches God's word he will be against gay unions, and he will also preach against stealing, adultry, covetousness, murder, and everything else that God dissaproves of including getting drunk.
It's not up to him it's UP to HIM.
Oh, and I see Sarah on every topic under the sun!
How go's it girl!
It goes good. Trying to get out of homework as usual. Stupid, elitist, leftist, education! And don't forget, shellfish!
God hates scallops!
Be anti-God if you want to be, that is your right, BUT do not ask others to condone whatever SIN you have as an IDOL in your heart that you exalt above God.
You don't need to "condone" anything. Gay folks are seeking legal equality, not the acceptance of an ignorant bigot.
Uh, that is called condoning it with legal laws. You are truly a godless fool. They accept you so I will be no problem to them. I am not a bigot, you are, and you hate God, so you will perish, and I will not be joyful about it but I will not shed a tear either.
Right.....you just think that you deserve special rights and privileges, and think that gays should be 2nd-class citizens who are denied those rights and privileges.
You're totally not a greedy bigot.
You cannot even read and understand what you have tried to read. Get an education.
What did I misunderstand, Idiots? It sure sounds like you think you deserve special rights and privileges, and think that gays should be denied those rights.
What part did I get wrong?
You WRONG about everything concering godliness and God. You think passing a secualar human law will VOID gravity? Neither will you VOID God's judgment against you or others that are perverse and wicked.
Making a law that says MURDER is okay will NEVER make MURDER okay, and neither will passing laws that try to make perversion okay, make it so. YOU are not God. LAWS are NOT GOD. Get it yet?
You and other homosexuals like you want "special" privileges to be PERVERTS and think you can eliminate GOD's JUDGMENT. YOU are the ones wanting "special" treatment for your SINS.
I'm a married straight guy who doesn't believe in your imaginary friend or your silly religious concept of "sin", and believes that all Americans should have equal rights rather than special rights for straight folks like me, so it looks like you were wrong on all points.
Maybe you should move to Iran where they have the theocracy you seek?
Libsareidiots...you need some serious help, I know you can't see this about yourself, but you are way overboard on your Godliness. Didn't your God talk of not judging others, acceptance, etc and that he alone will be the only judge? What you don't seem to realize is that your God is also judging you and your hatred of others, your God talked of loving your fellow human and trying to help everyone, especially those less fortunate - but you have swung totally in the other direction.
If there is a hell and any of us happen to go there, I'm sure we'll be down there having a conversation with you.
So now how many more will be out to get caught driving drunk so they can be put in charge of a church somewhere to tell people what to do, gay or not?
Rory, the typical closet queen
What many christians themselves don't understand is that as a Christian believer ALL you do in thought, word, and deed is to giving glory to God. As a homosexual couple you can not have children on your own and their union is an abomination to God. And a sin. Marriage was first instituted in the old testament of the bible. That is why many christians are not in favor of it. There will always be sinners but even after Christ forgave the prostitue Mary Magdelane he said GO AND SIN NO MORE. As to the many unbelievers here....hey you are on your own, good luck.
Amen cosmo, Amen.
If you folks truly believed masturbating against same gender companions was moral you would not be bastardizing language so as to lend an appearance of acceptability to it. I predict, in the not too distant future, these parasites will be forced to bastardize another word because everybody will be associating the word "Gay" with corruption, decadence, and pedophilia just like they already do with the words "Queer" and "Homosexual."
Face it; you perverts need to find a better publicist because the one you got now is old and tired.
RandyEK- masturbating against same gender companions?
Seriously, omg, just LMFAO!
Where the hell do you people live? mars??
Quit comment spamming, Randy. It wasn't effective the first time, it won't be the next time.
Thats the position of his church-why would he have a differing opinion?
This idea of changing the definition of marriage is a very new idea and not supported many people so get used to it.
Actually 71% of Catholics support marriage equality, as do 54% of Americans.
Sounds like you must live in the bigoted south.
He should probably be in Alcoholics Anonymous, and if he takes his spiritual growth seriously, who knows how much a Higher Power greater than any earthly church may change him!
Uhhh !! Excuse me, but shouldn't ALL Christians oppose it? Either that, or they can cash in their Christianity. The Word is completely clear on homosexuality.
I suspect most Christians aren't dumb bigots since they don't share your homophobia.
Christians do not fear homosexuals, we are wise enough to FEAR God, and LOVE him more than perversity.
Explain "the biology" to us goofus, I need a good laugh.
Well if you think putting your penis in someone else's rectum is biologically sound....then you are truly deluded. I have been taught me entire life that I can get diseases even from myself if I do not wash my hands after having a bowel movement. How dense does one have to be to be unable to conclude that putting a penis up a rectum is not only perverse but biologically perverse and filthy as well.
And to think you can vote...dear God in heaven help us.
LMFAO...yea whoever heard of getting a desease by sticking your penis in a vagina. Never happens.
NEXT!..........LOL
I said rectum fool. People don't have a bowel movement out of a vagina. Do you even have a brain? Can you even read?
No fool, they have a period, blood flow, its waste, ejected from a womans body. Dont you even know human biology? LOL
And fool, God has stated a man is not to lie with his wife during menstruation because it causes infections and is not clean. Get a life you godless fool, homosexuals are perverts that put their penis's where people deficate. Get a brain, even ANIMALS do NOT PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY.
Soooo Libs, does that mean you never earned your red wings?
Idiots, since your bronze-age cult of Jewish goat herders wasn't aware of bacteria or the germ theory of disease, is the problem with having sex with a menstruating woman because the demons will leak out, or because you get icky girl juice on your dick?
Why didn't your imaginary friend simply suggest washing before and after sex? That seems like it would work better than worrying about demons.
Just like a fool, you try and make another way other than God's way. You don't understand INFECTIONS? You don't understand that it is not only about INFECTIONS but about denying the the CREATOR KNOWS BEST.
Try using an APPLE computer underwater when they tell you not to do so. Yes, the DEMONS come and ARE COMING into you and your life because you EXALT YOURSELF above GOD by NOT adhering to his instructions. It is NOT ONLY INFECTIONS BODILY that COME....DEMONS will also come into YOUR SOUL. Watch it happen, and when it DOES I hope you have the guts to REPENT.
AIDS....is coming your way.....
Libs,
I hope you spend this much time, picketing Red Lobster and Joe's Crab Shack.
Seriously? You do realize Leviticus was a social code, right? It wasn't actually the word of god, it was the word of a bunch of priests claiming the word of god.
Reported for the continuous stream of personal attacks. How very Christian of you!
Hey, prove your god and his supremacy over the others, and maybe we'll give you a chance.
Libsareidiots, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Rory Weber 210
Go back to wackin off in the closet loser. LMAO
Religion is the worst thing that ever happen to this world. Yes, even the Catholic religion. The priests, archbishops, cardinals and the Pope think they are without sins. Such hyprocrisy. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of HYPROCRISY and INIQUITY.
And you are like the bleached bones of dead men.............amen
Your expressed religious bigotry is duly note; and your hatred of the authentic civil right of religion in defense of sexual depravity counts you among the enemies of this nations founding fathers.
Ooooh, we is shakin in our boots now Randy!
Randy, I do hate religion. To me it is the root of all evil along with money. It is mine belief that religions is so corrupted. This is what I like about America, I still have the freedom to express my opinion without any repercussion. Just like you do, but I do not agree with your opinion of me other than my dislike for religion. I do believe in civil rights of religions, of blacks, of sexual orientations, of women, etc. etc. But I am wondering if you do.
Randy
Your expressed religious bigotry is duly note; and your hatred of the authentic civil right of religion in defense of sexual depravity counts you among the enemies of this nations founding fathers.
You need to check your history about our founding fathers and why it took so long for the 13 colonies to reach some workable foundation to build our great nation on. We live in a totally different world now, but if you think there were not homosexuals sitting at the tables then you are ill informed.
I personally object to your reference as if your words(Duly noted) carried any other meaning than that of ignorance. My ancestor came here in 1740 as a British soldier and fought for the Revolution. You may take note of me and my presence anytime you wish. I myself served my country in Arms. What have you done?
Lazarus
Lazarus, thank you for your service.
The Roman Catholic Church is the most repressive and corrupt institution in the history of humankind.There is no rational reason to believe anything that emanates from the vatican or the popes's mouth.
Remember Pope Alexander the first..LMAO, wife, mistresses, children. Sold positions in the church to the highest bidders, made his friends and relatives Cardinals. Havin fun now! (Oh, by the way, his real name was Borsia)
Have a nice day Neos
Hey all you pious Catholic hipocrits, here's a good one for ya. I'm a Protestant. Moved to a new city, joined AA only to learn that aquaintance from my home town whom also had moved here earlier, had also joined this AA orginization was gang raped by men in AA, including the Archbishop of a bigger nearby City at a Catholic church.
Homosexuals are just as sick as a pedophile they are born that way that's what most homosexuals say I'm a homosexual I was born to be one
et-3967104 - Homosexuals are just as sick as a pedophile? WOW, really?
Did I just tune into the hillbillys are us channel or what? really?!
Just cant fix stupid............