After seeing what happened to that unfortunate bum in Florida, I don't think we can blame the cop for defending himself.

I fought the Law and the Law won, the Law won.........he was probably a genius with zero common sense.

Wow, nobody said bath salts yet ?

What is it about them that they are always naked ?

While I do agree this kid should have been taken down, I don't think it necessary he be killed. I think a well placed shot in the thigh or the shoulder would be enough to reconsider another go at it. I thought these school cops had tasers anyway?

So glad you found it funny. But somewhere in the USA a family is receiving the worst possible news. I find it odd that the security guard had a gun and yet no tazer to be found. Was he not able to subdue the guy? I mean your supposed to be protecting people yet he couldnt handle one guy w/o shooting him??

Why don't officers carry stun guns? Non lethal, yet I bet it would even take down a person drugged up on something.

Why don't campus cops have stun guns or tasers or tear gas or something non-lethal in addition to a firearm? They certainly must be aware of drugged up and alcohol behaviors in 2012.

Dreadful for the kid's family and the campus cop.

Sam, campus police ARE police and not security guards. They pack the Glock and are the real deal. Times have changed since the sock hop days.........

I think if a gunshot to the chest didn't get him to chill out, a taser probably would've made him giggle.

Maybe he had a concealed weapon. Not sure where's he'd hide it.

@Seven... thanks for furthering my point. All the more reason to have not shot him. If he was a REAL cop he should have know how to handle the situation. Aparently he has been reading too much NY news. The cops out there like to shoot first too. Anyways, again, in my area ALL cops carry tazers in addition to the issued handgun.

@matt - The only real facts we have at this point is a naked freshman is dead. The cop can say w/e he wants. We cant exactly ask the freshman.

Whatever happened to pepper spray, tazers, billy clubs, etc. Since when is the only response to kill someone?

concealed weapon? No - the rent-a-cop (campus police are not real cops) felt threatened by the size of the kid's penis - and it was right out in the open. People joke about their 'johnson' being a deadly weapon. Guess that the rent-a-cop thought that it was deadly...

Seriously, how callous. Why do they always have to shoot to kill. Security/police are insecure bullies.

Another face-eater gone. That's when it's hard to be a cop; when it's either you or him and he won't quit.

Sam, You have no clue as to what real life is. You must watch to many TV cop shows. An Officer cannot let the man get close enough to be grabbed and risk losing his weapon, and there is no such thing as
"shoot to wound" Not every dept. carries a taser, many have removed them from the officers. Why do think "a real cop" would not have done the same thing? billy club? really, do remember Rodney King. You "do gooders" are never happy.

Gents, it's very simple. If you are using a gun, you shoot to kill. Shooting someone in the hip or the shoulder can be easily as deadly as shooting them in the chest, and cops are trained to fire center of mass.

It's a sad fact, but if a cop points a gun at you and you continue to advance threateningly, you're going to get shot, and its your fault. With someone's who's hopped up, a taser or other less-lethal weapon may not work. This kid took a round to the chest and was still belligerent, a stun weapon wouldn't have done anything. Let's call it a tragic event, but it sounds like a justified shooting.

We weren't there, we didn't see how nuts the guy was acting, how threatening he was, and apparently some didn't read that even after being shot in the chest the guy kept after the officer. Anyone who has been around someone seriously high knows you can't reason with them reliably. Would it have made people happier if the guy grabbed the officer and after his face? I am a really peaceful person, but if you were naked, banging on my window, chasing and confronting me, I backed off and tried to calm you down, but you are obviously messed up and coming after me in a threatening way I will shoot if I have to. I won't shoot your leg because someone high on many types of drugs won't even feel it and will come after you until the body pretty much collapses.

Several years ago I had an ER patient who was restrained and sedated, but still really high grab me from several feet away, and he had to be pried off me after they gave him another shot of something nasty to knock him out. Even that took a awhile to take effect and his grip was really strong and painful. I have seen high people jump off ER beds and swing an arm at a doctor with the bed still attached. Sorry, but you get high and come after me (do NOT like guns and wouldn't usually hurt a fly) and I will shoot you in the chest. How about just once those of you who never had someone like that coming at you give the officer a break and let the police sort out how justified the shooting was?

Sam: You watch too much TV, cops don't shoot to mame, they shoot to kill.

Sue: Welcome to reality, they shoot to kill because they are trained to put down threats, not have conversations with them.

Welcome to real life and death kiddies, not sure you're cut out for it though.

Dropkickbanana, you watch too much TV. Shoot him on the thigh? Do you know what is in the thigh? The femoral artery. It's a large artery. So large it is used to run wires and catheters all the way to the heart and brain. Shoot to the thigh chances are you hit that artery and the kid bleeds out in two minutes. It happend to a guy I knew. Cops are trained center of mass. Most cops are not the Lone Ranger capable of shooting the gun out of the bad guys hand. That is only on TV and the movies. The kid was obviously on something, bath salts , spice, K2 you name it. It's called DOPE for a reason.

The cop shot to stop the attack(s). "Shoot to wound"? Only criminals do that. They generally are in some sort of control of the victim beforehand. I have only been in one situation where I put the weapon in my hand. NOT fun. Very serious. I am glad I didn't have to fire. I can tell you I was NOT thinking of a way to "wound" with it. It was drawn as my life preserver, to stop an attack. Unless you have been in such a situation you don't know what you're talking about. Callous, indeed.

Sam, you are so out of touch and such amazing knowledge without ever being there? You sound like someone who has a chip on his shoulder. Get roughed up by a COP or did they bust you down good with a special mugshot? That's how it is with all the cop haters.

If you have ever seen someone high on bath salts or one of these other designer drugs, you'd understand why the campus police officer felt the need to discharge his weapon. It's disturbing and frightening. I've seen a scrawny kid that was high fight off three security guards in a hospital, and it wasn't until another two arrived on the scene that the five were finally able to hold him down. He was still screaming and struggling and putting up a real fight... and he was pretty much naked too. One campus cop against someone high and freaking out on bath salts wouldn't stand a snowball's chance. This cop shot the guy in the chest and he was still coming for him. And for those who say we don't know the real story since the only other witness is dead, get a grip. I'm pretty sure the campus cop didn't shoot a calm naked student who showed up to tap on his window at 1:30 in the morning.

The loss of a young life is tragic. I feel for his family and for the campus cop that was forced to shoot him.

Parents, before you send your kids off to college, clue them into the facts of life. Do bath salts or any of these other designer drugs and you risk losing your mind. Your actions while high may be so alarming that someone, especially law enforcement, may feel sufficiently threatened to use deadly force. If getting high is worth the very real risk of losing your life, you are not mature enough to go to college. Get a job. Grow up a little. Stay at home where we can still guide you and keep an eye on you.

I'm all for police self-defense, but are there no non-lethal measures for people to use? A naked 18 year old that's either high or crazy comes at you and you kill him? Get these people tasers and mace...maybe rubber bullets.

interested observer

concealed weapon? No - the rent-a-cop (campus police are not real cops) felt threatened by the size of the kid's penis - and it was right out in the open. People joke about their 'johnson' being a deadly weapon. Guess that the rent-a-cop thought that it was deadly...

Actually, state university cops are real police. And even if he used a taser, cop-hating libtards would still cry foul. You just can't win with moonbats.

How unarmed can you be? Shoot him? WTF?

Since when is a cop, a Judge, Jury, and Executioner? I unarmed nut case against Barney? Get real, charge Barney with murder!

You seem to have forgotten about Rodney King. It took a half dozen men to subdue him. Whatever he was on it made him a superman. The cops and the taxpayers paid for his drugged outrage unjustly. Too bad they didn't shoot him.

wakani wrote "Funniest thing I have read all day long. Long live Darwin."

Darwin is dead. Fat rent-a-cop shot a college student and made up a story.

You've gotta love all these armchair experts who second guess cops from behind the comfort of their own keyboards when they wouldn't have the balls to be a cop in a million years.

This is tragic. How about some non-lethal way of putting down the guy. Obviously no concealed weapon. An unnecessary killing!

Only being shot once was a sign of control by the Police Officer...

Most trained people know that it takes two shots from a 9mm to put the average person down...

The average citizen will unload the gun at an attacker. It is human nature...

Let's me see, the cop is train with gun and some defense moves and the best he can do against an naked kid is to "shoot to kill"?

Whoa, what's about hand to hand, beat the crap out of the kid and subdue him instead of lead poisoning...

Most cops carry .40 S&W. I could expect this in Alabama, but as others were saying, non-lethal self defense weapons should have sufficed. Even basic hand to hand combat should be enough to take an unarmed and unclothed teen who might have been on something. Hopefully this will lead to better training because lethal force should be a last resort.

"what's about hand to hand," <---- You mean, why not try to wrestle with the deranged, openly hostile individual in a way that will give him access to the loaded firearm on your hip? Yeah, that couldn't possibly turn out badly

My daughter was offered an excellent scholarship to this school. Afterwards we read that there were lots of problems with non-students coming on campus in the dorm areas, so their answer was to post when security was there and when they were not there. I sent my only child somewhere else. Mobile has a terrible crime and drug problem, but this was a student who was someone's shild. He cop didn't have to use deadly force. He could have called for backup, used a tazar, billy club, whatever. I can't believe he is on PAID leave. He murdered someone's child. I hope his miserable life is completely ruined like the lives of this young man's family, drugs or not. There had to be another way besides murder.

I agree with some of the posters here. You people need to get a life. Think for a second. What is someone doing running around a campus nude. If he is on drugs is standard hand to hand going to slow him down enough to restrain him. A tazer, really, AFTER he was shot in the chest with a bullet he kept coming, how is a tazer going to bother him.

what a day and age we live in, where we excuse (some even give their blessings to) a "peace" officer who is most likely equipped with mace, a taser gun and he opts to shoot an unarmed, naked crazy man. I don't get it, there was once was a time, whenever that would substantiate a murder charge. Sure there are unstable sorts in society and always will be, but a police officer should possess the character and rationale to be decisive, in regards to situations he/she encounters without opting for deadly force as an automatic reaction. Disgusting, insofar as my opinion goes. It also debunks the belief that "policemen are our friends" as taught in any public school system.

Look at all these arm chair judges trying to explain to me what real lfie is. What a joke you guys are. I carry everyday and would only use it as a last resort. The cop was inside the station and "apparently" did not call for backup. I guess Im going to assume so since he shot him. Cops are trained to handle this type of situation. One of my friends (back in the day) had an experiment with shrooms (he will never touch any of that again). He was arrested and broke the handcuffs in half, punched one cop, and lifted one twice his size. Took 6 cops to finally subdue him. My point being, my friend is still alive and has every right to be. This is a college campus, drugs and alcohol run rampant. Without a doubt the cop used extremely poor judgement. So what were you saying about me not knowing what real life is?

Unless the guy was on bath salts and the cops life was at risk, I will not side with the cop. In addition, I guess I would side with the cop if other student lives were at risk. But at this point, it looks as if he and the naked student were alone. Again, cops are TRAINED to handle this situation.

Guys... none of us were there, none of us know what this officer was facing, what the guy was saying, how threatening he was - we know none of the details of the situation.

The one thing we do know is that if any officer is going to discharge his weapon, the idea of wounding, or warning, or shooting the guy in the foot - NONE of that is what you want. Think about it: you only want the officer to fire his weapon as a last possible resort, when he has no other choice. At that point, he needs to be shooting to kill. You don't want him discharging his weapon any earlier than that, or for any reason less important than that. If it's going to go 'bang', then it better ONLY be because he had no possible other option, and if so, it better be a shoot-to-kill situation.

There was no indication the naked man was going to kill anyone. At close range a warning shot or one in the shoulder is easy to do. If at close range you can't hit a shoulder or leg then you need shooting lessons.

Shooting people to death at the slightest provication seems to have become a rightious thing to do.

interested observer

concealed weapon? No - the rent-a-cop (campus police are not real cops)

I love it when people try to act like they KNOW and then end up being flat out wrong. They ARE cops, genius. With guns, badges, patrol cars and all. Don't believe me? How about checking out their f*cking website.

http://www.southalabama.edu/police/

"On behalf of the University of South Alabama Police Department, I want to thank you for visiting the department’s website."

If only cops had some non-lethal way to subdue a perpetrator. Perhaps a club or Taser. But I guess they only use those on people already handcuffed or pinned down.

To all of those calling for the cop to do a warning shot, or wound him let me be clear... Y"ALL ARE OUTSIDE OF YOUR MINDS.

I worked EMS and have had the pleasure of having to deal with completely whacked out drug heads, got to watch one guy on PCP who twisted apart a pair of hinged handcuffs, he broke both arms doing it but he didn't even flinch, took 10 Staters with billy clubs (way before tazers and pepper spray) to bring him down. Enjoyed watching a guy try and walk after jumping from a 3 story building landing feet first breaking both legs, didn't stop him from getting up and trying anyway.

You all think the homeless guy in Florida just said to hell with and laid down while zombie face eating drug head had lunch, oh forgot that one was shot several times and ordered dessert.

It sucks but maybe the kids parents should have taught their son not to take drugs and run around naked attacking armed peace officers, getting shot once in the chest took a while to stop him as it was.

The junk you people are subjecting your bodies to is completely insane, you have no way of knowing it your one of the ones who will flip the first or fifteenth time, yet we have page after page of dumbazzes posting on here saying how great drugs are.

why shoot to kill. come on people. this is how we clean the gene pool. sounds like he was a total moron, no class, and clearly no brains, we dont need this type breeding.

What ever happened to hand to hand or mace etc, why his life when he had no weapon, they are there to help all even the ones who are mentally ill, he should of tried to save him and help him instead of taking his life we need to see some heros

First of all I support law enforcement, but campus security is not the law. He should have called police. He was in a secure location and suspect did not have weapon, nor was he a threat at that time to anyone else. This culture of I'm a police officer even when off duty, either is true or it isn't.

I believe strongly in The Constitution of The United States of America, and I served in the US Army, in war. We served to protect and defend the Constitution. Our Constitution contains something called Civil rights, which means no citizen can be deprived of due process. What this means is all citizens have the right to life, liberty, and property, unless convicted by a court of law, by a jury of their peers. During my service, we were able to capture Viet Cong, and North Vietnam Army regular soldiers, who in many cases were well armed, and take them as prisoners of war. These were far more dangerous and dedicated individuals than a wacked out naked, unarmed civilian.

Barney had options, Barney's job was to protect and serve. But, Barney wanted to put his bullet in his gun and shoot Otis. Barney didn't have to go outside, he could have called for reinforcements. He had options, he didn't have to deny a citizen of his civil rights. But he did, because he got to be big bad Barney Fife, for just a minute. This action flies it the face of our judicial system, denying a citizen of the very basic protections under the Constitution of the United States of America that we as citizens subscribe to.

The people that are referencing Rodney King are making the right point. He was tazered, hit with billy's, pepper sprayed and it still took 6 cops to keep him down. Why do you armchair warriors think that this guy that kept coming after he was shot in the chest would have been stopped by less lethal means? I don't know what type of gun was used but had it been me at the end it would have been an empty gun as I would not have shot him 1 time I would have pulled till I had no more bullets.

The whole idea of center mass and not shooting to wing the attacker is the protection of the public from not only the attacker but also a stray bullet.

The Cop should have called Time out and waited for Steve-2352647, Sgation or Taziar to arrive and handle the situation. Maybe he should have tried Kings X.

One of my friends (back in the day) had an experiment with shrooms (he will never touch any of that again). He was arrested and broke the handcuffs in half, punched one cop, and lifted one twice his size. Took 6 cops to finally subdue him. My point being, my friend is still alive and has every right to be.

@ Sam1938, your friend should have been shot dead by any one of the police officers. Just because you are a drug addict does not mean you get special privileges. These officers have families to go home to at night and have the right to protect their life. What a bleeding liberal heart, barf.

the campus officer was and is wrong; he should be charged with Manslaughter, if a law enforcement officer can not handle a naked young kid, without using deadly force, he should not be in law enforcement.

How about this, people take responsibility for doing stupid things. You shoot at a cop, you wind up dead. You get hammered drunk and drive home, you might wind up dead and may kill others. You decide to do some hardcore drugs that cause you to lose control... guess what, your taking your life out of your own hands. And you might wind up DEAD.

I served in the army for 10 years and also took martial arts for most of my life. I am 6 ft 240lbs, I know about what the human body is capable of, if i was on any sort of hardcore drugs, pcp, bathsalts, you name it, and i was trying to kill you or hurt you, you could shoot me several times and you would most likely die before i did. For example... a bear is charging at you.. you pull out a gun and shoot it in the chest serveral times.. unless your extreamly lucky, your already dead.

All you people defending a drugy that obviously didnt care about himself or his family.

If he didnt care about himself, why the hell should i give a damn?

Well, it's so easy to make fun of someone else's death/loss when it's not your own isn't it? Imagine the devastation that some family somewhere is going through this moment... but you probably can't. Maybe that makes you a good Darwin candidate yourself.

Seven2Seven

Sam, you are so out of touch and such amazing knowledge without ever being there............That's how it is with all the cop haters.

Frankly, Sam, and plenty of other writers here including me are reasonable adults who believe that human life is worth a whole lot more than you do 727.

The facts are pretty plain. A campus cop killed someone who was unarmed. Maybe illegal drugs were involved, or maybe the cop made up the story? Who knows, the kid could have been the victim of sexual assault, which might help to explain some of his behavior too.

I can't see any justifiable reason whatsoever for a police office to be forced to kill a naked 18 year old no matter what the kid was capable of doing with his bare hands. Police officers have to be in good physical condition supplemented by lots of physical training. They also have an array of other weapons at their disposal in addition to their firearm, such as handcuffs, nightsticks, and even Tasers that must be used first.

Frankly it would have been smarter for the officer to withdraw to the safety of the inside of his cruiser or the interior of a campus building if he felt threatened by this kid and then wait for help to arrive. The absolute last thing that this officer needed to do to put an end to the situation was to draw his service weapon and kill an unarmed kid, and for that I am in favor of 2nd-degree murder charges being brought.

I am well aware that being a police officer is a tough job, and also aware that the job comes with tremendous responsibilities too, responsibilities which were completely violated the second that this officer fired his service weapon at a naked kid for no good reason.

For that the officer needs to be punished. Somewhere we must draw a line, and I strongly feel that this case is well beyond that line. I am also someone who is well aware of the problems that illegal drugs can cause, but those problems do not justify killing someone who is otherwise unarmed either.

Murder 2, plea bargain it to Manslaughter 1, 15 years in the joint. Sorry, but I can't see any less than that myself.

Yep, Darwin Award. What an idiot. He was probably on something.

Why not just mace him, or taze him bro?

@Dropkickbanana a gun is a deadly weapon. You never shoot it unless you anticipate the person you shoot to die. They should have had available to them a less than lethal weapon like a tazer or bean bag guns.

Last week cop in Philly beats the tar out of a unarmed women---Earlier this week cop kills unarmed man in NYC----Now cop kills naked youth....what next, because it coming.

when we say, unarmed that means you don't have a weapon, it does not mean you cannot kill someone with your bare hands, happens every day, mindset is all you need. if this guy was on something and had it in his head to kill the police officer and the only way to stop him was to put him down. and if you dont have the non lethal stuff handy, what do you do? do you say hold up let me go get the tazer! you don't have time to think about it, here he comes naked and unarmed, your still thinking, oops too late he knocks you on your ass. picks up a portable object and beats you senseless (now he is armed) and then picks up your weapon and drills you between the eyes. you are dead at the hands of a naked (unarmed) man, for two reasons

1 he very much wanted to do you in

2 you did not shoot him to begin with

this situation was going to end up with one or both people dead or injured. what if the guy killed the cop took his gun and in his drug induced state went out and killed more people then what would some of you be saying?

this. why didn't the stupid cop shoot the crazy guy to stop him! then those other people would be alive! stupid cop. there it is.

Another unarmed man shot and killed by a blood thirsty cop. Seeing as how many others in their pack get away with it; these sharks now have a taste for blood. And they are coming for us.

Some of you POS callous morons should be put down like mangy dogs.

Well at least the guy wasn't carrying a concealed weapon, that we know of...

wakani- Funniest thing I have read all day long. Long live Darwin.

A young life full of potential is gone, and you find humor in the situation. It could be you instead of his parents who will now bury their son. Yeah, I guess that's funny, all right.

"Frankly it would have been smarter for the officer to withdraw to the safety of the inside of his cruiser or the interior of a campus building if he felt threatened by this kid and then wait for help to arrive".

So Old Timer, you would want a delusional threatening man who is extremely aggressive running away in a public college area to get apprehended later? What if he harmed other students in the process? This was the right call to take him down and THIS police officers job.

IXLR8 - No the correct thing to do would have been to call backup as soon as the student started banging on the police station. Tased him and then put him in hand cuffs. The officer should have only drawn his weapon if his life or lives of other students were in immediate danger. If the fact play out that way, then I will gladly eat all my words. But at this point in time, use of deadly force does not seem appropriate.

No what you said about my friend was a complete joke. You honestly think everyone who has ever tired drugs deserves to die? I'm glad your not in any authoritative position. The cops handle the situation correctly. None of them felt as if their lives were in danger and the case was actually dropped. No charges were pressed. Needless to say, everyone has a life story to tell now.

Wow some of you people are psychopaths. The fact remains an unarmed young man was shot by a police officer that was probably also carrying pepper spray, taser and a club at least. Did the police station of all places not have locks?! This cop is a murderer and a disgrace to his uniform. Serve and protect indeed.

Sam, was backup available? Perhaps the cop did call but the backup hadn't arrived. The article said the cop had already retreated twice. How would the cop know if this guy was on bath salts or PCP or whatever? The example you used of your mushroom using friend is a perfect example of why this cop had to pull the trigger. Do you know how many cops are injured each year by someone they are trying to take into custody? I don't know why he didn't use a Taser? Perhaps he is in one of those areas where the Tasers have been taken away from cops or maybe they just don't have them?

Bottom line, it sounds like this cop followed training to the letter. That being said, I am reasonably sure he is sitting home right now wondering if there was another alternative. In the end, based on what was presented in this article, there was no other alternative.

Kathy, it is not murder when it is justified and in the line of duty. The way I read the article, the cop did exactly what he was trained to do. It said he even backed up twice before shooting. How far do you continue to back up before you end up putting your life of that of other students, in jeopardy? There is only so much you can do. I don't know if backup had been called for and, if so, how far out they were. I don't know if he had a Taser. What I do know is that cops are instructed to shoot center mass, no exceptions.

I feel terrible for the kids family. I cannot imagine losing one of my children. I also feel terrible for the cop because no matter how many people tell him he did the right thing and there was no other choice, there will always be a little voice in the back of his head saying, "what else could I have done?"

You honestly think everyone who has ever tired drugs deserves to die?

Sam, off track again. No, not all people who tried drugs deserve to die. Those that are on drugs and commit assualt and battery on a police officer get what they deserve.You won't eat your words when the whole story comes out because you can't swallow the truth.

Aww look at IXLR8 correcting me on my typo. So by your definition, if someone punches you they deserve to die? Ok, well I will stay clear and far away from you.

I'm glad that wretched drug addled piece of filth is dead. I hope his parents are too old to have additional kids cause clearly, they don't know how to raise a child to stay off drugs. May they live with the knowledge of their own parental failures until the day they are gone.

Sam, you need to ride with your local night cop for an evening. You are very naive although cute it is not reality.

bob-2476682

First of all I support law enforcement, but campus security is not the law. He should have called police. He was in a secure location and suspect did not have weapon, nor was he a threat at that time to anyone else. This culture of I'm a police officer even when off duty, either is true or it isn't.

Your ignorance is showing. He was a cop. There is no security there. Instead they have the University of South Alabama Police Department.

http://www.southalabama.edu/police/

Please don't speak again unless what comes out of your mouth is a known fact.

Many of you keep forgetting one important fact about tazers. They cause large-redius paralysis. You nail someone in a leg or in the small of the back, the person's going down regardless of drug influence. Bullet wounds just cause pain, which amphetamines and other drugs can cancel. Alternating electric current scrambling nerve signals is not so easily countered. There's a reason those things work.

One word COWARD

You nail someone in a leg or in the small of the back, the person's going down regardless of drug influence

Really, cause I can pull up at least a dozen Youtube videos that show people absolutely ignoring 2 fully embedded darts and active current flow. I know of one video where the guy ignored 3 separate tazers simultaneously.

OMG!!! hes coming @ me with a hardon what should I do?! kill him, that will make him quit!

The guy is NAKED and he @!$%#ing shoots him?????

What ever happened to a takedown using your fists. @!$%#ing cops.

They had no choice. The 'vic' was Armed With A Friendly Weapon, and was waving it at them! If that thing had gone off, even accidently, 'the situation' would have gone south real fast!

Now that's a pi$$er...

There has to be more to this story. An 18-year-old freshman? That means he'd been away from home and in college ... a whole month? It does seem as if many trigger happy pumped up ex-military brownshirts go into law enforcement. This kid was crazy high or drunk, but he wasn't the enemy. Condolences to his family.

"Don't point that thing at me!"

"If you discharge yours I'll discharge mine!"

No it is tragic when a genius kid of great character is killed. Is a psycotic or drug addicted kid is killed it is a relief.

Last week cop in Philly beats the tar out of a unarmed women---Earlier this week cop kills unarmed man in NYC----Now cop kills naked youth....what next, because it coming.

So all this cop had was a gun??? Ive been a armed security guard an part of what your taught is you dont even pull your gun out of your holster unless someone has a gun or knife! And didnt he have pepper spray or a taser???

He didn't have a baton?

Please allow me to speculate? Bathsalts, way too much booze, a dumb, undertrained rent a cop?

Best way to stop a naked person from acting up is with a pail of hot water or aCo2 fire extinguisher. My uncle worked with violent mental inmates for 35 years. He swears the fire extinguisher trick works on even the most raging skitzoid. All that comotion of the gas coming out and getting a frozen weenie stops them in their tracks. FROSTBITE? Maybe....

This is a a case where deadly force was absolutely not needed, unless the "perp" knew advanced kick boxing moves that would have allowed him to punch through a metal door and had pubes like Sasquatch. Jackaloo cop had his heater out before he knew what the threat is.

It's one of those classic shoot first, ask questions later deals.

Well you are speculating wrong, at least on the rent a cop.

The University has a full fledged Police Force.

He was a fully trained police officer.

Even though few are using it today I wouldn't rule out PCP. If that is the drug deadly force might have been the only option.

One thing is certain, telling the guy to hang around while you go inside to pour a pail of water and collect a fire extinguisher is a giant FAIL.

Why didn't the cop just ignore him? Deadly force seems quite extreme under these circumstances.

Why didn't the cop just ignore him?

Sure why not? Just what you need is a naked crazy guy running around on a college campus.

*Face Palm*

Hey jerk off Oregon, you don't use deadly force on an unarmed man. Period. You sound like the typical "expert" on everything with the usual 6th grade education to back it up. "*Face Palm*" The naked guy was harassing the big bad cop, well big deal. Mr. Policeman lost his temper and his professionalism and killed an unarmed man. Yes, the kid was probably the typical 18 year old immature first time away from home jerk, but that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the kid was on. It doesn't matter what he was doing. If the big bad officer couldn't handle it alone, he should have called for backup and observed the kid until help arrived. There is no justification for the kid being dead now. You and the cop are a great big FAIL.

451

go try to tackle a pig you goof, its hard as hell to get your hands on someone with no clothes on because the skin gets oily and since you such a tough guy feel free to plant your feet and have one of your buddies stick his finger in your eye and see how much you can take.

yeah thats right, no weapon but your eyeball hurts -- clown!! shessh

NO weapons doesnt mean NO HARM OR INJURY.

ugh

I agree with Gesundheit-451. Anyone naked who is acting strangely is vulnerable and deadly force should never be used. I do believe that the policeperson should be disciplined by removing him from the force, campus, and neighborhood and never be allowed to be in this or a similar position ever again. It's tragic that this young man was shot to death; perhaps he was calling for help and just didn't know of another way to get it. Sad, sad!

News is now out.

He was on LSD. He had assaulted some other people and had attempted to bite a woman's arm.

So I stand by my statement.

Ignoring him and letting him take off would have been the wrong thing to do.

You don't have to be an expert to figure these things out - Common Sense does help though.

It also said the officer did call for back up.

Really? The guy was naked and unarmed. He shouldn't be a cop if that was his answer to resolving the situation. He gives good and decent officers a bad name!

Pepster, you have never seen someone really freaking out on drugs, have you ? They can be very dangerous. They can kill you,and others with drug fueled super power and rage.

I have. I tried to get a knife out of the hand of a girl on acid once, and I was 220 lb, and worked out very hard every day. I couldn't pry her hand open and she was biting me.

I only tried to get it away because she was slashing it at people in a crowded room. I was not, and am not a cop.

Pepster - these campus security types are not real cops. They are just rent-a-cops. They pretend to be cops. Maybe the naked guy had deadly gas - must have eaten beans. that would be the rent-a-cop's only defense.

Uhhh, guess again! I work with these crazy folks all the time. It really isn't that hard to out smart them, it's called back up! Get a grip!

LOL! @ interested observer!

Pepster - these campus security types are not real cops. They are just rent-a-cops. They pretend to be cops.

Not sure where you get your info, they are state law enforcement agents with just as much authority as a state trooper. Sad story. How many zombie stories have to be written until these kids stop using bath salts? Not sure why he couldn't call for back up but that's why there is an investigation to answer these questions. Seems like he could have done something else but I have no experience in dealing with zombies. Hopefully a full and honest report will bring the circumstances to light.

hmm back up, ten fifteen minutes away, worse he may have been the only one on duty at that point. call the police at 1:30 am see how long it takes them to get someone over to you. You could be dead before they arrive.

he may have been the only one on duty at that point

You are right to imply that there are circumstances but 1:30 am on a Saturday on a college campus he has plenty of back up. Maybe he couldn't retreat to call, but they would be there in less than 5 minutes if he could.

Pepster

Really? The guy was naked and unarmed. He shouldn't be a cop if that was his answer to resolving the situation

So was the guy who chewed that man's face off. Your point?

@ Britt, the incident happened RIGHT OUTSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. The officer could have yelled and been heard by someone.

Don't you think if he could've yelled and been heard by someone, they would've noticed one of their co-workers fighting a naked guy that just knocked on the window. I'm gonna guess he was in that(most likely remote station) by himself. I can't say that he needed to use deadly force, but if I was a cop, and in everyday life, I look at it like this...If it comes down to only one of us is going home today, it's gonna be me. Whatever that takes. Period. Don't get wacked, naked and antagonize an armed person if you don't want to get shot!

outofthewoods: Superpowers? That is a myth. They might not feel pain, but they have no superpowers. More than likely had you put her in an arm lock on the ground it would have been over.

interested observer apparently doesn't know a damn thing. Campus police are cops. They can and do arrest people in town, not just on campus. They attend law enforcement academies. They are real cops.

Bob... what he means by superpowers is not lazer beams comming out of the eyes, but there is a substance in the body called adrenaline, I am surprised you didnt know this... i thought they still tought this in school, but most people dont use all their muscle potential, when adrenaline kicks in it allows you to use more if not all of your muscle potential. thus seeming like "superpowers" or "super-human"

Now combine that with someone who because of the drugs he took is feeling violent, and doesnt feel pain. And now you have a serious problem. Its a very easy situation to grasp, though i guess i shouldnt be shocked 1/2 the people in here are uneducated enough to not understand simple concepts.

For those people let me say it in a way you can understand.

"Drugs are bad, mmmkay?" Mr Garison (South Park)

To everyone says the officer did the right thing I ask you if your opinion would be the same if it was your son who was shot. This kid was no real threat, he was a freshman at college who may have made a very large mistake. But that mistake should never have cost him his life.

If someone can explain to me how a naked, maybe 150 lb soaking wet, unarmed kid warrants deadly force then my opinion may change. As of right now, most of all I hope this officer has to face this kids family and explain face to face why he felt his ONLY option was to kill their son.

Cbriggs

He was a wrestler for 6 years. And pretty good at it. He wasn't some skinny, out of shape, dork.

He was shot in the chest and continued to go after the cop, so something was going on.

The behavior was also completely out of the kids character. He was known to be gentle, courteous, and kind.

Really a sad story.

Toxicology should tell us more, my guess is designer drugs or maybe a combination of things

I think it is a wake up call and cops need to be trained on how to deal with zombies. Anyone's kid can make a mistake. That's what kids do is make mistakes. Unfortunately this zombie drug is going around and I'm not sure shooting him in the chest is the answer. I think a highly trained individual might have an alternative. Hopefully the graphic result here will deter some kids from making this mistake. But with all the stories it is still incredible that these drugs are being used. The actor that beat his landlady to death was unarmed but the double tap was called for in that case. Unfortunately no one was around to do it. I'm wondering what % of people would have reasoned with this guy as he is shredding a cat.

The article mentions that the officer tried to retreat several times, but, it does not mention that he called for backup or called 911. I don't think we have enough information to judge this situation. We don't know what other options the officer had available to him that constituted a lower level of force....We need to wait until the investigation is complete. On it's face, it does not seem like a naked, pain in the butt, warrants deadly force. Still, I wasn't there and I don't know exactly what happened from this article. It appears, from this article, that the naked man taunted the officer until the officer lost his cool and shot the offensive young man. Most officers are called every name in the book and they usually respond with: "Have a nice day." They are well trained not to respond with deadly force to words and taunts. On the other hand, if the young man was stating that he was going to kill the officer, force was warranted....but, deadly force? I wonder??

Honorable1: Adrenaline can be made in the lab. Then what you are saying is getting shots of this substance will allow you to lift cars and jump off high buildings? I believe you are convinced of this. I think you should read a lot more scientific journals, especially the ones on biology and the human body. Drugs are used for many reasons. Some for things not painted by your broad brush. I know, maybe he was possessed by a spirit. P.S. The brain has smooth muscle tissue also, so how does that work with your theory?

Tazers cause paralysis, not just pain dimwits. You can't counteract electricity scrambling your nerve signals and commands. Pain can be easily overridden, especially with amphetamines and other drugs. No drug can undo electricity ripping through your body.

Patrick

There have been many cases where Tasers have had little if any impact on people when they have taken certain drugs.

Notice the Naked man similarity:

Newburgh police say it took four officers and four jolts from a Taser to subdue a man found running naked through city traffic, high on the hallucinogen PCP.

http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=7517

When one of the officers unholstered a Taser, the man kept coming, shouted "Give it to me'' and was hit with the first jolt. Police say he fell, jumped back up and starting trying to yank out the Taser darts.

He was shocked again, struggled with officers trying to handcuff him and was shocked twice more.

Sarasotan, You have no clue as to what real life is. You must watch to many TV cop shows. An Officer cannot let the man get close enough to be grabbed and risk losing his weapon, and there is no such thing as "shoot to wound"

There are mentally ill out there that acquire super strength when they have a psychotic episode. I have seen it. I'm glad the Policeman is safe.

Cheese Head.... is that your standard reply to everything on here? "you have not clue as to what real life is" "you must watch to many cop shows"..... Were you there?

Bottom line is this...the kid was not that big....was naked....and the campus cop had plenty of time to call for assistance....... I think its you who is out of touch with reality and spend far too much time in front of the television.

Oh, and this kid has a family....real live people who are grieving the loss of a son...this was an 18 year old who just lost his life....... how about you show some respect for that...... or is that beyond your obviously stunted mentality?

Even though Cheese Head keeps reposting the same statement, the doesn't mean he's not right.

cheesehead> you are full of crap. most police in the rest of the civilized world are trained to shoot to disarmor wound. A slug in the kneecap will bring ANYONE down. And to the Doofus with the tale of the hyper strength of the girl on acid. I'm callin BS! You dissarm somebody wielding a blade or other edged weapon with a jacket, blanket or coat. I've seen it done in real life many times. As far as tripping out, I'm betting it was "angel dust" aka PCP /pencyclopene, not LSD-25/acid.

OR MAYBE YOU GAVE HER THE BAD TRIP WITH SOME CRAPPY BLOTTER ACID FILLED WITH ??????

No excuse because you were there, have all the facts and are able to be judge and jury. Nice

Arm chair quarterback JP, you were not there and don't know any of the facts. Go patrol your streets tonight to see what it is like, bet you get an A whippin......

JP: If the officer was of average strength there was a 50% chance he could be overpowered and his weapon taken and used against him, if this person was on a powerful drug his strength could have been enhanced, If I was the cop I wouldn't risk it. Of course the keyboard warriors are always braver than those out risking it all.

That's what I'm wondering with all these cops killings, don't they have tasers?

Tasers don't work on many drugged out people. Also tasers just get polic departements sued or bad press from people like you who are always looking for a reason to blame authority. If they are going to get bad press, the perp might as well be dead.

I wanted to make the same comment. This seems like a very appropriate stun gun situation. There are so many shootings in the news and not a lot of stun gun incidents. I don't get it.

Think about this, would you brave a man with a gun that might kill you, or take on a man with a tazer something likely to let you walk away. Real tough choice there sherlock.

a. A tazer is usually a one shot weapon, unless you have the hand held model that requires you touch the target.

b. A tazer pistol is only good for a short range, how close do you want that guy to get to you.

c. A tazer is known to not work on certain people, mainly due to drugs.

d. A tazer can kill just like a pistol if it hits wrong.

e. Look up the cost of a Tazer, they are not cheep, the ranged ones are more expensive, if your fine paying extra for the police to have them great, jump right on out there and pony up the money for them.

Folks think before you speak, its better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.

MSvoice...really? To avoid bad publicity its better to just take someones life? I mean really, if you are going to do all that paperwork anyhow you might as well just kill them...

Britt...no, Tazers are not cheap...neither is human life. Tazers work just fine on most people, even those on drugs. Tazers don't kill because they hit the wrong spot...where do you get your information?? One shot with a tazer is generally enough to put someone on the ground or at least slow them down until you get backup. The 18 year old was not armed and there is no proof of what he was taking.

Oh, and name calling is the refuge of a weak mind..." Real tough choice there sherlock."

You are right about one thing...it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it. You are absolute proof of that.

In order to, lawfully, use deadly force, there must be a deadly threat...or the potential of a deadly threat. Nothing in the article indicated to me that a lower level of force was used, tried...or, maybe, not even available to the officer. A naked man, making threats might be considered deadly...I think backup might be the right thing to do, but, if the officer went out of the office to deal with the man, he might not have access to a phone....a radio?? Way to many variable to judge the situation based on this article. Let's wait for more information before we start with the PIG lingo and the druggie stuff. We just don't effin know what happened. It doesn't look good for the officer, in my opinion, but that is just based on what I know from that article...and subject to change with more information.

Lloyd, You have no clue as to what real life is. You must watch to many TV cop shows. An Officer cannot let the man get close enough to be grabbed and risk losing his weapon, and there is no such thing as "shoot to wound" The kid was stupid and payed the price.

I heard a cops holster is different and that it makes it nearly impossible for someone to just come up and pull.

Cheese Head,

Is your head really filled with cheese? Because that would explain a few things. There is such a think as shoot to wound. You go for the leg or foot, something to disabled the suspect. The tazer should have been this cop's first tool of choice and not a loaded gun.

Cops are getting to trigger happy in this country.

Geo and Lloyd - real life sucks don't it? Cops don't shoot so you can hit reset and play again.

Here's a lesson: Don't confront a cop, don't get shot and killed.

I was annoyed for a moment, but then I just started chuckling at how clueless some of you are. High people can kill you in a heartbeat and are seriously strong. And no, you don't shoot for a leg if the guy is off his rocker and coming at you...get a clue. If a shot in the chest didn't stop him, what makes you think a pansy shot to the foot or leg could? How about go learn how these drugs affect people and how mentally ill people can rip doors off walls in a second before you just from your safe armchair?

Geowill, I have 35 years as an officer. Even as police training has evolved over that time, we were NEVER trained to shoot-to-wound. The doctrine banning that is taught at the local level, state police academies, and at the federal level. Model policies from the IACP and other organizations reflect that. Shooting is deadly force; narrowing it to that definition means fewer shootings. Debate the individual case if you want, but don't demand something that's banned because it's inherently reckless.

Jed..Well said...with knowledge and intellect. We don't point deadly weapons at anything we don't intend to kill. I am not an officer and don't mean to sound like I know everything, but, I am a hunter and I dont take off that safety and point at anything that I don't intend to kill. I am sure you follow the same rules. I still wonder if there may have been a less deadly avenue open to the officer...but, I wasn't there and the article is sketchy. Thanks for being out there for us. You are appreciated by some on this thread.

Pussy cops .... until you need them. Don't call them if you need help

Sounds like an aggressive person should have watched his drug and alcohol intake. As I said above, if you feel that way about cops, make sure you don't call them if you ever need them.

What do you mean obviously the "kid" was mental-all you know is what you read,that thing at UC Davis was a bunch of cops racketeering with terrorists -and they told the cops blind them-they lost the lawsuit by the way-we were listening to them because we were working on San Bernardino,Ca Country corruption-probe and less than one month before the BIGGEST medicare raid in history ,a cop beat ME up (UN,US Gov.Wright Brothers close BLOOD relative that has a SPOTLESS background and works with the highest court in the WORLD)-in case that's not clear enough,let me spell it out for you-some of these darn cops are rabid,not to mention treasonous-Oh and by the way-thanks for putting US Children first !!! Maybe you can go back to Russia with the cops we deport after Mir comes down!!

We can all see what so many cop shows have done to the minds of people, they are as stupid as they are opinionated.

Just like your comment

@Scott If you call the cops and they don't find someone to arrest, they will probably arrest you on some stupid charge for bothering them. Cops are not your friend. If you need a friend, buy a gun.

Speaking of people who post online when they have no clue...do you really think a guy high on something that makes him aggressive and nuts enough to run around naked picking fights with police will reason and gently put on his clothes? Until you have someone who's high running at you I don't see how you can judge this officer. If it happened as they say I would have shot him too, and I hate guns. You are just making comments to further your own agenda or you are clueless. Guess the school community is kind of glad the officer didn't let him keep running around on campus and eating faces or attacking people. Get a clue.

I have one. And I don't expect them to be my friends, just do there job

I have been in that situation and had to fight for my life and I barely made it out alive. It was only when the cops showed up and the b*tch freaked out and went to flush whatever it was she was on that I was able to get away. This was my best friend at the time and she turned into a crazed lunatic who wanted to kill me. I am glad the cop stopped that person from hurting someone else because if he hadn't stopped him you have no idea what he could have done next and then some of you would be blaming him for not preventing it.

I agree with most of your post, but am not sure we got the story that really happened. It could be true or could be embellished. I'd like the facts and not just the justification of someone who shot a naked guy to death.

Dear Judge Jerome O. Herlihy (phone 302-577-7042 & 302-255-0800) of the Delaware superior court in Wilmington, Michael German (media@dcaclu.org)of the ACLU in Washington D.C. ex-FBI defector and expert on Organized Gang Stalking in America and illegal surveillance, U.S. Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice "CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION"

1. They are all corrupt. The investigation will all be composed of a bunch of Freemasons. They will all be Freemasons, and get the RENT-A-COP out of it. There was not one thing or reason in the world to shoot an 18 year old college kid in the chest. The RENT-A-SLOP could have gone back inside his guard shack and called for back up or had a local hospital come out. Anything would have been better than blowing a hole in his chest the size of a .50 cent piece. The idiot is a guard at a College. He is mall cop at an University. These things are going to happen when you have security guards carrying pistols. College kids do dumb things. We all have. They don't die for being stupid one night. What ever the kid did, or had done it's wasn't a reason for the idiot to shoot him in the chest with a hollow bullet at close range. You don't deal with an 18 year old kid using deadly force. WTF!

2. As a college professor of sociology I have seen college security guards in action. I have earned three honorable discharges from the military (88-96 and after 9/11 03-05) and I feel as though I am trustworthy. These security guards, masonic police supervisors, this HOMELAND SECURITY (DHS) are worthless thugs, and creating entirely too many problems. They HACK into computers and read students and instructors email messages. They harass underage students for drinking and stuff like that. They stalk the female student and have sex with them. While other police forces have to be brought in order to get the harassment and stalking to stop by the security guards(Isn't that right Unviersity of Delaware security? May of 2012) They get together at bars and strategies how they are going to manufacture crimes against innocent individuals. They have these GADGETS and Cell phone APPS that can illegally HACK into cell phones and read your text messages coming in and out. Yes they do!They are doing that with out warrants illegally to female students and their boyfriends and ex-boyfriends. And tracking individuals through their cell phones, like a GPS would.

3. When it's not enough to stalk the females, and have sex with them. Then the security guards are stalking the boyfriends or the ex-girlfriends, and manufacturingcrimes and charges against them. They are doing things so corrupt that their Freemason supervisors have to pull strings in order to get them out of corrupt situations with other Freemasons. When the worthless security guards do make an arrest they're handing their lies and garbage off to Freemason prosecutors and public defenders. They hide the evidence from the victim. They keep evidence away from the individual being framed, and these corrupt Freemason attorney's do everything they can to wheel the person into court and convict them for as much as possible with out communicating with them as fast as they can. Yes, I have seen. bogus lengthy investigations designed to trump-up charges against Whistleblowers, and frame innocent individuals for crimes and manufacture charges. Then these Freemason cops will bust into your house through the window and manufacture as many more crimes as possible. All the while conducting a lengthy bogus investigation designed to trump-up as many charges against you as possible. Not only are they trumping-up charges against you but they agitating you, provoking you, harassing you, baiting you, luring you, every step of the way in order to get you for as many things as possible.

4. Just asked Judge Jerome O. Herlilhy (phone 302-577-7042 & 302-255-0800) of the Delaware superior court in Wilmington about the University of Delaware security and the prosecutor and the public defender that stepped in front of him in Late December of 2010.

5. This entire experience above was documented and can be read at this link: http://technology-science.newsvine.com/_news/2012/08/27/13513071-fbi-surveillance-backdoor-might-open-door-to-hackers#comments

6. Not only are they framing you for crimes, fabricating evidence against you, but they are also creating the illusion you are a terrorist and want to blow up the University of Delaware and kill more kids than Virginia Tech. Yes, they said this. This is simply a design to receivefederal aid from the department of homeland security (DHS) so they can buy police dogs from Europe, and brand new police cars. Thank president George Bush for that, post 9/11 federally sponsored gang stalking

7. These college security guards allow the professors and instuctors to be mobbed/harassed and stalked by students and the administration at these community Colleges. Who ever is their pay masters is who these college security guards will side with. And these college security guards allow the professors to be mob/harassed and stalked for weeks, months into years. Usually Freemasons are behind it, and you think I am B.S-ing you. No I am not. The community college are controlled by these so called "PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY". Mainly their sons and daughters and wives are getting away with this stuff in the communities. That means the college are controlled by the Masonic Mafia. They arecommunity based gate keepers. So much for the best getting the job. It's who you know and what KULT you are in.

7. The Masonic Mafia makes the rules. The community based gate keepers decide who is going to be the new SAMBO. Isn't that right Lancaster, HERSHEY, South Cetral Pennsylvania? Rich WEALTHY "CHRISTIANS" social networking with professional Freemasons and the Masonic Cops. Right wing fanatics controling the jobs and who is selected for upward mobility. It's certainly not me the poor working class SAMBO and non-FREEMASON that grew up to poor working class factory workers in the small industrial inner city of York Pa, that's father and grandfather were all U.S. Army Veterans and served their country honorably. Isn't that right Lancaster, HERSHEY, South Central Pennsylvania extending down into Delaware at teh University of Delaware in Newark and over to the public defenders office and prosecutors office in Wilmington Delaware??? I am the new SAMBO, huh???

8. The Masonic Mafia decide who goes, who stays, who gets mobbed/harassed and forced out, and who gets internet black listed and internet black balled for being a whistleblower, Isn't that right Ole Freemason Ad Crable of the Lancaster Pennsylvania newspaper and Peter Kotz of true crime? Yes the Masonic Mafia controls the community schools and they social networkwith Professional Freemasons andthe masonic Cops in these communities. The KULT-STALKERS in Lancaster, HERSHEY, South Central Pennsylvania extending down into Delaware. They decided who get forced out and replaced with the following:RELATIVES (nepotism Nepo-Discrim), Friends, MasonicTools, Fellow Freemasons, and Eastern Stars (Female Freemasons). *Thanks for your service weird O's!

9. Isn't that right Harrisburg Area Community College in Lancaster Pennsylvania who had formal "WHISTLEBLOWER" complaints: PHRC Case No.200800802 & EEOC Case No.17F200960329 filed against them for mobbing/harassment and discrimination?

10. Forcing out three professors in less than two years and if you count the HOMOSEXUAL ex-marine who was discriminated against and chased off at Harrisburg Area Community College in Lancaster Pennsylvania it was four individuals forced out at the college in less than two years. The following being forced: U.S. Veterans, outsiders, the outspoken, Vulnerable U.S. Veterans, HOMOSEXUAL, and yes whistleblowers and non-Freemasons.

11. And your wonderful HOMELAND SECURITY (DHS) giving these rent-a-cops the go ahead to use deadly force. Oh, and don't blow the whistleblower on them and file formal "WHISTLEBLOWER" complaints on the Masonic Mafia at these college or they will retaliate against you and set you for charges, and accuse you of being a terrorists. You laugh! I have seen this happen. These idiots are doing some extremely dumb stuff in these communites with (DHS) and "The Department of Homeland security" and these "FUSION CENTERS". Like spying and putting the following under surveillance:activists, sociologists, U.S. veterans, Vulnerable U.S. veterans, outsiders to the community, the outspoken, whistleblowers, and non-FREEMASONS. Playing your FBI COINTELPRO GAMES and tactics that mirror the Eastern Germans STASI tactics of psychological harassment. Just google the stuff! A lot of individuals are saying the same things, and raising the same issues. Check it out! These Freemason cops coordinating corruption in these communities with professional Freemasons, and utilizing these Neighborhood watch groups to place you under surveillance. The ACLU calls it "COMMUNITY BASED MOBBING". I call it "HOME GROWN TERRORISM". Michael German of the ACLU in Washington D.C. calls it AMERICAN ORGANIZED GANG STALKING. Mr. MICHAEL GERMANS was a former FBI agent who now lectures on illegal surveillance and Organized Gang Stalking in America.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to express my Freedom speech and thank you for allowing me to utilizes my Freedom of speech through the Freedom of the press. Thank God we still have those rights...

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David, are you serious??????????, follow him and wait for him to attempt to harm someone else. This would lead to more than this idiot getting injured. You people need to stop watching Police shows on TV, that's not real life or anything close to it. No such thing as "Shoot to wound"

Cheese,

Take off your clothes and run at me. If you don't have a weapon so you can't shoot back when you are down,I GUARANTEE I'll stop you mid-stride with a leg shot that will put you on the ground. Two shots to center of mass I get, but this guy was obviously unarmed and it appears the officer had options to back away. Lethal force should have been a last resort.

No, you don't get it.........

F the NRA

What does the NRA have to do with this anyway? I know! I know! NOTHING!

Hey idiots I was almost killed by a drug crazed girl who was only 120 pounds. Crazy is crazy and I don't blame that cop one bit. Stupid kid went to the police station he must have been on something serious. He threw his life away it was just by cop instead of other means. At least he didn't get the chance to hurth an innocent person. And its too bad he didn't have enough smarts to know better than to do whatever drugs he was on.

I don't belong to the NRA but I do believe in the right to own guns. I also believe that a gun owner should have proper training in how to handle a weapon.

If you don't want a gun don't buy one, but do not sit in judgement on gun owners or the NRA when you have no clue what you are talking about. It is not the legal firearms owners that need scare you, it is the folks out there with weapons they've obtained illegally. If the government decides to stomp on more of our constitutional rights and try to ban firearms, you had better find a cave to hide in because you will not be safe at all in a country where only the government officials are allowed to carry and the armed criminals will roam freely.

My sympathies go out to this young man's family and the loss they have suffered and also to the police officer that was involved. No matter what happened, it was a No Win/No Win situation.

WTF? How is this even REMOTELY related the NRA?

I bet you were just waiting for an article with the word "gun" in it to post that.

Next time we'll dispatch you then to take on the naked bath salts crazed psycho so you don't have to play Monday morning quarter back anymore.

I am glad you were there God Speed to give us all the facts. Oh wait, you weren't...

Hey that's a pretty good comeback. Really, are you kidding me. If you are insinuating that I am a cop, I am not. But I respect them and the job they do. You are probably young and have no respect for anything except yourself and are typical of many of today's youth. You are the symptom of why our nation is falling apart. But nice comeback..

god speed, You have no clue as to what real life is. You must watch to many TV cop shows. An Officer cannot let the man get close enough to be grabbed and risk losing his weapon, and there is no such thing as "shoot to wound" The kid was stupid and payed the price. All of you "do gooders" would be pissed if he let him get away and someone else got attacked. Not every dept. has tasers, that's not his fault. "Shoot to Kill" (no, I am not a gun owner)

I am 55 and 56 in 20 days... but thanx for the complement! Police, good ones at least, are trained to use equal force. In fact, it's the law... equal force. The unarmed kid who was at fault did not deserve to be murdered like a dog, because the murderer could. He had MANY other options, as I mentioned. If a man attacks me in public or at home, with his fists and I defend against him with a knife and kill him I go to jail for murder. But if I don't use the knife and defend my self with my fists and kill him, I don't go to jail. We ALL have the right to defend ourselves with equal force.

Cheese Head 413

pepperspray

billy club

baton

Taser

backup

and then when all else fails... kill him! Oh and BTW X-Air Cav., Helicopter pilot 8K hours, 20 years full bird Col.!

GS - B.S. on EVERYTHING you posted, poser.

Believe what ever you want... went to O.M.A. in OK, and taught at the CGSC (Command and General Staff College) for 3 yeas After the war. Kids where born in Ft. Riley KS and Nuremberg Germany. It is YOU that is the poser!!

God Speed, stop lying about equal force...if someone is trying to kill you with his fists, then any means of force is available to the attackee, and no one would even charge you, let alone convict you. How can anyone believe you when you are a liar

Fists are not considered 'deadly weapons' unless you are a Black Belt, fight for a living or trained to kill with them... the average persons fist would never be considered a 'deadly weapon'. Equal force is the law everywhere except in your home (in most states). If a man attacks me on the street with his fists I can't go get a bat and kill him without a huge liability. Google the laws and get back to me.

God Speed, you gave me a good laugh. I can see the officer now as the cray guy is charging him...he's pulling out his pepper spray, then billy club, then fishes out his baton, still the guy is coming, so he pulls out his tazer, aims, and the guy eats his face. You are so silly. Really, I got a flash of that Airplane scene where they line up to knock some sense into the lady. No, if you rush a cop in a seriously altered state of mind after you have been warned and he tried to back off, then you follow him aggressively s/he isn't required to sing you a lullabye and wait for backup. We might have been reading a different story...one about a half eaten officer who should have been smart enough to shoot the nut.

I don't care what training you have had. You are clueless and if a crazed man is charging you and won't back off, and you have reason to think he may kill you, then yes, you can defend yourself. Should he have offered to pour him tea?

No, but if you have a bat with you, you can use it if you are life threatened. Because only black belts can beat you to death with their fists. Losing credibility with every post GS

Scott, next time you get in a fight pull out that bat and kill the guy and then write me from prison telling me 'it's not fair', because that's where you will be.

Ram, the fake cop came out of a locked safe building to murder the unarmed naked kid. I guess calling back up to let them know a FREAK was wandering the grounds in your opinion just to week, NO, he needed to leave the building and murder him. I guess he thought when he went out the gay was going to say 'I am sorry arrest me'!

God Speed unless you have been attacked by a drug crazed lunatic STFU. I have and almost died.

In fact she was so crazed that when I was screaming for help the security officer for the apartments ran up, took one look at her and ran the other way. You probably would have done the same thing god speed so stop with your self rightous indignation.

God Speed, thank you for your service to this nation.

If someone is attacking you, are you going to grab the first weapon you can to defend yourself or wait to see if he is just kidding. Honestly think about this: The kid is beating on the door, you open it to see what is wrong. He attacks you. Are you going to go though all those things you listed to prevent him from killing you. Are you going to shoot him and be done with it. Honestly if it was me, I would shoot him as well. I do not know what he is on, meth can make a person strip down and stand in a freezer because its too hot. Think about that. The perceptions of the alleged attacker are altered. He took a bullet to the chest and kept coming.

You do realize tasers don't work on deranged people, right? Some people literally rip them out and just keep coming. Same thing with pepper spray and batons and similar. Remember this kid kept attacking after he was shot.

And as for waiting for back up - what if the kid wandered away and attacked someone else? It was the guy's job to protect others.

If a regular citizen shot and killed the student he would be in jail for murder. The police are to eager to shoot, was he the only one there?

This kid was a menace to society. Whether he was on drugs or was mentally ill, that does not give him an excuse to confront a police officer. Also, if he was on drugs, a shot to the arm or leg, or a taser, or even getting beat by a club is not going to stop him, because drugs can dull and take away pain. And if the officer did call for back up, do you think a drugged out kid is going to wait for that back up to show up?

This officer did the right thing. He eliminated a menace to society, who, if this officer had not done what he did, could have hurt or killed other people. It doesn't matter that this kid was 18 and in college. He made a choice to confront an officer, and while he may not have been in his right mind, it does not make him not a menace.

God Speed,

Stop blabbing about equal force. You don't know what you are talking about. You use the example of being attacked with fists and then going to get a bat. You would be in trouble in that case because you left the area to get said bat, and there was no reason to return to the aggressor.

If someone is 6'5", and 280lbs then I can tell you that I am going to shoot that person even if all they have is their fists. One punch could knock you out. Once you are knocked out, you are finished.

Thank you. 'Nuff said.

Before he chews YOUR face off, right Reasonable? (insert thought here!)

He could have defended himself by not opening the door until back-up arrived if the only other way he knew was to use his gun. I guess they do not have pepper spray or tasers in Alabama.

Fine, he has a right to defend himself. However, why shoot him in the chest? That's a little extreme. A shot in the lower leg would have been enough to down the individual.

Really? Your suggestion is to wait for back up? Do you think this kid was going to wait as well? For all we know, this officer stopped this kid from becoming a bigger problem.