Barbara Ann,

"Zombies Strike Again (Campus version)"

I just wonder if the kid might have taken some "bath salts". I've read that getting naked and aggressive behavior are common symptoms of using that drug. Now I just read the comment of Chris below where he also speculates that that is what it might have been. I didn't see his post until after I posted this. It just might be.

Until an autopsy is done and made public we won't know why this young man was displaying aggressive behavior.Non of us were there but with all the training that police officers are supposed to receive I think he could have subdued him without killing him.

Bear in mind it wasn't a police officer, it was a campus security guard. He probably just panicked, I'm guessing. Like you correctly said, however, none of us were there.

Alot of campus cops are commissioned. They are cops like any other. That the officers used the greatest amount of force when confronted by a nakid man (135lbs, more like a child) who could conceal nothing.....He needs to be jailed on manslaughter charges.

I wonder if the officer was issued a taser. I know i wouldn't want to try and physically subdue some naked dude who was on the college wrestling team. If the cop had try to subdue him physically and the guy had wrestled away the cops gun and shot the cop, excuse me guard, then people would be wondering why the guard didnt shoot him. No win situation.

Ya the same people calling for charges against the cop would be the ones wondering why the cop didn't shoot him if he had run off and attack a coed and killed her, sorry but y'all do not have a clue.

What is even more puzzling is how you can even think that it was not ok for the officer to protect himself and the public from someone who was acting aggressive and whacked out. He continued to go after the cop AFTER HE WAS SHOT, if that is the case then a Tazer, mace or hand to hand would not have worked, on top of the fact the attacker was a trained wrestler.

I mean come on, stop and think for one second if this guy was attacking someone in you family you all would drop the hammer yourself, it sad yes but not unlawful on the part of the officer one bit.

Also he was a commissioned police officer, same standing as all other law enforcement, not a rent-a-cop, several links have been posted showing that he was Law Enforcement.

http://www.southalabama.edu/police/

PCP, Ketamine, or "bathsalts" (all cause increase in body temperature hence the shedding of clothes) the kid was obviously high on something or fully intent on "suicide by cop". Sad deal, but HE created the situation not the officer.

I think what people find most disturbing about this shooting is that using deadly force seemed to be the officer's only alternative. Doped up or not, the kid was only 135 pounds. He doesn't have the same chances of shrugging off a tazer shock as someone 250 pounds. Pepper spray would also have given the officer an opportunity, even if only momentary, to subdue the kid. And if the officer included his personal distaste for being in contact with a nude male as a reason for resorting to his firearm then he doesn't deserve his badge, but prosecution instead.

This simple acceptance of "its the kid's fault" and "the officer had no choice" demonstrates to me how little you expect of trained police officers- campus cops or not. Many Americans have been accepting lesser and lesser reasons as being acceptable for police to resort to deadly force. A few years ago one cop shot dead a four year old (that's right, a 4 year old) child who had gotten hold of a real pistol at home and was chasing others around with it playing. When the tot pointed it in the direction of the officer he simply shot him down, with no attempt to outmaneuver the kid and disarm him, or even to merely wound him.

You say this college kid was acting wild and threatening this cop, coming at him even after being shot once. This wild behavior also tells me the cop should have been able to deal with this without his firearm. You may think that I am asking the impossible or unreasonable of this officer but I'm not. I grew up in a family of 7 brothers (and 1 sister) and saw behavior worse than what this kid did as we grew up and started drinking alchohol and doing drugs. I've dealt with their mindless aggression when drunk or stoned on whatever, did the same when in the Army with soldiers, and again back in the civilian world. I took more than one knock along the way, thats for sure, but no one was shot dead. That the only solution to dealing with this loud-mouthed, aggressive, doped up & naked 135 pound kid was to shoot him dead I find unreasonable and unacceptable, ESPECIALLY from a trained police officer, whether or not the kid was on the wrestling team. I might also add that this kid's roommates, friends and/or fellow partiers weren't worth sh/t for not keeping him under control or at least redirecting his energy to some athletic challenge to burn it off. And yes, the kid deserves the blame for putting himself and the officer in that position, but the cop could have handled it much, much better

I am on the security guards side. You should NEVER EVER aggressively approach a STRANGER who has a gun. This guy was a wrestler. What if he was on bath salts and tried to eat the security guards face or hand? PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM AGGRESSION.

This simple acceptance of "its the kid's fault" and "the officer had no choice" demonstrates to me how little you expect of trained police officers- campus cops or not.

It WAS the kids fault, whether there were other choices certainly is debatable. If it was something like PCP it doesn't matter how much he weighed he would be impervious to pain.

We will look at the video in slo-mo and make all sorts of criticisms as to why the cop was wrong and how he could have made a different decision in the millisecond that he had to make that decision.

He was NAKED. Kick him in the balls if he scares you. The human body is the most frail, unintimidating, harmless thing on the planet. We dont even have claws or fangs for gods sakes. A trained cop should be able to subdue a naked human at the drop of a hat.

...and why would you shoot a deranged naked individual? Campus cops are often police wannabes and when they get a gun they are often very dangerous. A veteran trained police officer would have handled it differently. There should have been backup and if there was not, he should have been able to enlist other students to pin the kid down if necessary. Campus police without formal police training should not be armed.Too many Wyatt Earps in that line of work. I've actually seen one draw her revolver just to get a cafeteria line to straighten up.

Which is worse? Police killing people or those the defend the police regardless of circumstance?

Obviously pepper spray and a tazer would have been more appropriate. Is pretty much man rule 101 that if you are carrying a weapon when a naked man tries to chase you down and wrestle you, shoot first and ask questions later.

I know so many of you on here are saying he took the drugs so he brought this upon himself, however, did it ever occur to you fools that perhaps being a college kid that hazing may have been involved and he was given the drugs without his knowledge (if it was in fact drugs and not a mental breakdown). He could have been an innocent person who had something terrible happen to him and lost his life because of it. We cannot jump to conclusions about what happened without an investigation being completed.

There are so many variables that could have happened that to comment as if we now what actually happened makes people just sound judgmental and stupid.

I'm very tired of you people making the drugged up attackers out to be innocent victims. Think about it. You walk around a corner and there is a psychopathic naked muscle head running at you to attack you. You try to flee and scream stop but he continues to advance. You have heard about the face eating naked crazies in other areas of the country and fear for your life. Policeman have lives too, ya know. Police officers have families and kids and go to PTA meetings just like you. If the suspect is charging at you, acting insane and violent, and less than 10 feet away; What if the "TAZER" doesn't work? What if he is unfazed by the pepper spray. You have half a second to decide what you are going to do? You choose to go home to your kids and spouse. It is not the fault of the Officer to be in this position. It is the fault of the drugged up naked crazy. It IS sad that he made poor choices, but they were his choices and he has suffered the consequences.

if he was drugged prove it was his choice to be.... if he was drugged without his knowledge then it is a shame that this young man lost his life, if he took the drugs himself then of course what happened were the consequences of that choice. I am only saying wait to see what happened before saying he deserved it.

I agree with those who say wait for the investigation and the review of the video tape of the incident. It's not fair to judge when we don't know the facts. What I do know is (1) the USA cops are a good group overall and trained like many other law enforcement officials. (2)They are not cop wanna be's. (3)This young man's size doesn't necessarily matter considering I know a couple of USA cops who aren't much bigger than he is. I feel for his family and their loss. The questions they have on top of their grief must be numerous. I also feel for this officer and his family as he will have to live with his decision for life.

Come on people! Your going to tell me a tazr wouldnt put him on his ass and give the officer enough time to call for backup??? Even if he still got up taze him again no 135 LB kid can withstand two tazrs let alone one!

There is no reason this guard should have used deadly force! This man was inproperly trained to handle stressfull situations like this!

Police first priority is to protect the innocent, not to hunt people!

Mickey, bath salts is definitely within the realm of possibilities.

Most of those people who were supposedly on "bath salts" were tested (for example, that face-chewer in Florida, posthumously), and the toxicology reports didn't find them. Just saying, drugs are a handy reason to blame the naked, aggressive crazy person, but it isn't logical to assume that these people are drugged to the gills to the point where they are impervious to being Tazed. I'm fairly certain that if you pump enough electricity into a person they will fold, not because of pain compliance, but because you are interrupting their voluntary nervous impulses.

Seems like there should be better ways of gaining the upper hand on a naked unarmed person, especially when you're trained to deal with scary on a daily basis. I feel sorry for all concerned.

Mack

Come on people! Your going to tell me a tazr wouldnt put him on his ass and give the officer enough time to call for backup???

Study up on PCP. While you are at it look into Meth.

Both make tasers or pepper spray just a minor nuisance.

Bath Salts are responsible...

Bath Salts are responsible...

Is that the official word? I hadn't heard.

I don't know anything about that drug except it also causes similar problems.

...mother asks why?

I dunno, perhaps it was drug related.

Any person who shoots an unarmed person for a "threatening manner' is a murderer and must be prosecuted as such, especially a "Cop" or "Campus Cop". Johannes Meserle; George Zimmerman; this guy: murderers. The officer failed in his duties, a firearm isn't something you pull out and use because you're afraid of hand to hand combat with some crazy acting college frat boy! What was he afraid of, he'd break a nail fighting this guy? Taser, Tonfa (knightstick) or here's an idea: don't mix it up at all and call backup so no one gets killed or even scuffs their new French manicure, how about that? It's doesn't make this rent-a-cop look very 'badazzed' to let some streaker get away but no one ends up going to their son's funeral, either. and later, when the drunk kid gets kicked out of college for acting like a moron, the right thing has happened and everyone's still alive, how about that?

He got up after being shot and "challenged the officer again" before collapsing and dying? Challenged? Really?! Here's an idea : "I decline your challenge, drunk moron." You don't just shoot first, ask questions later unless you're a murderer and murderers should spend their lives in prisons with their bunky named Bubba, not have carry permits, uniforms and badges.

Bear Cat: you said "maybe drug related" did you mean maybe the rent-a-cop was on drugs when he murdered an unarmed 18 year old for "challenging" him? It would certainly explain a lot, but not likely. If you're saying the kid may have been on drugs, DUH! So? He deserves a death sentence cause Officer Dufus failed his hand-to-hand combat training or was afraid he'd break a nail or was just stupid?

had taken LSD and assaulted others before he chased the campus police officer who fatally shot him

End of story, for those hating on the police officer you haven't got a clue, it's sad yes, a young male made a bad choice that resulted in him loosing his life.

That's not the officers fault, how would you all feel if the naked drug head had attacked a 5'2" 98# coed and killed her, you would be wanting to know why the cop didn't shot him when he had a chance, or worse gotten the cops gun and done some real damage.

Gbaby when people take off their clothes and act aggressive and violent it is almost always the result of using drugs such as PCP. The officer must assume he had taken such a drug.

It is actually a pretty common reaction because these drugs raise a persons body temperature.

Cops are NEVER to engage in one on one hand to hand combat unless they are forced into it.

One of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard of.

It's common sense. If the bad guy gets the cops gun, the cop dies, and so do lots of other people.

I do wonder if the mother was in the security guard's position and working that shift, and a naked man came at her repeatedly, what SHE would have done in that position?

There is no such thing as "shoot to wound," that's just a theory from watching too many movies ("Ooh, look, the good guy shot the gun out of the bad guy's hand").

There is no way to simply let someone like that walk off, not knowing what they might do to somebody else.

If this type of individual is assaulting you, there is no time to take your attentions off him and call 911.

It is not "right" that someone died from a gunshot wound to the chest, but as street logic says, "You don't start nothin', there won't BE nothin'." This guy started something and while I'm not saying he got what he deserved, he did get what he was asking for--a violent return FROM the world for the behavior he was displaying TO the world.

For all you judges know of the details, the kid could have been drugged and sexually assaulted. I've seen nothing in the press to indicate what words were exchanged or any video yet to suggest the officer had no choice but to resort to lethal force.

As for blaming a parent when an 18 year old takes a drug, that's just ignorance when you have absolutely no details on the upbringing or mental condition of the kid.

If a shot to the chest didn't drop him immediately, I doubt that a kick would have..lol.

How do you men get off blaming the Mother? When was the last time you listened to your Mother?!?!

Jan,

While I'll be the first to admit that some of the posts I've seen here are ignorant, I have to say that yours is just as bad. First of all, Stand Up has it right, there is no shoot to wound except in the movies and television. Officers trained with firearms are taught to shoot center mass for several reasons, safety of the officer first and foremost!

I taught self defense to women for several years, and your comment of just "kick them in the balls" is as ignorant as any of the others here speculating without knowing all the facts. Most men that are attacking someone are usually on guard for just such an attack and anyone making a statement like yours may think you are tough but would probably not last against a determined attacker for longer than 10 seconds. In this case the attacker was determined enough to stare down a loaded firearm, and once shot in the chest, got up to threaten the officer further before dying from the wound. I doubt your kick, even if by some chance it connected would have even phased this kid. As I posted above, it is fruitless to speculate on this without the facts and the best thing to do is recognize the tragedy. The investigation will get to the bottom of this unfortunate mess and I am sure that if the officer did get it wrong he will be punished for it.

Jan is just one of the new American women that believes nothing is ever a woman's fault and that the answer to dealing with all men is to kick them in the balls and proclaim how weak and inferior they are unless they have a gun. I suspect Jan has never actually kicked a man in the balls, (despite her assertion of dealing with a madman), for if she had, she would realize it only works a small proportion of the time, most of the time the man that gets kicked just uses that extra pain to fuel their rage and tear the kicker's head off, (figuratively speaking), part of the reason that self defense experts suggest you avoid the testicles and go for the throat or eyes and then the lower abdomen, knees and feet, to restrict breathing, sight and mobility. Men are still fully capable of fighting, in many cases, after their balls have been kicked or injured by any other means. The sympathetic nervous system, which kicks in during a fight, usually blocks pain messages from the brain to a great degree, but if you make sure they are physically incapable of breathing you stand a much better chance at subduing your attacker.

In addition, I wouldn't say this is the mother's fault, but then, I don't go around blaming men for the actions of women either, like some people do. Not so much fun when the other shoe drops, is it Jan?

Jan,

Every post from you here is just stupid as hell! Look around to find out how many people agree with me!

The scary thing is that Jan is a mother too. Just think what kind of environment her children are growing up in with a sexist pig of a woman for a mother, no wonder America is falling apart.

No such tghing as shoot to wound? Are you for real or did you make that FAKE comment up all by yourself.

NewsFlash Standupjokeoff YEAH you can! Shoot them in the Arms Shoot them in them in the legs.Shoot them anywhere they're mobil, then you stop them.Because you know why? BECAUSE THEY FALL DOWN!You don't have to kill them.They keep coming at you,shoot them again,but you don't have to kill them!

Stop peddling Fake BS,you have no clue as to what the hell you're talking about.

Jan,

If I were an armed guard I would not get into a fight of any sort with anyone for any reason. I know my limitations and I don't know my aggressor's or just how many aggressors there might be. More than one - I could get my gun taken away and have it used on me and possibly other innocent folks. I would never attempt a "John Wayne" shot. My training was to always aim for center mass.

Now shut up and go away.

@Somewhere

Correct, if you are trained to properly use a gun it is not difficult to change your aim for the shot to to kill or to wound depending on the need of the situation. This is a training issue. Officers are trained to go for center mass. Thats all fine and good when the criminal also has a gun, but it is not necessary if the criminal has a knife or no gun.

My biggest question here is why the officer chose a gun over any other means of subduing his assailant. He was not armed and there was no way the officer could claim otherwise.

Why not use mace, a baton, or a taser? The only way I will give the officer a break is if the college only provided a gun.

Campus police are actual police officers, just like any city police officer. Any cop who can't handle a 135 pound naked 18 year old without using fatal force should be fired for incompetence.

Lost Somewhere in the USA

NewsFlash Standupjokeoff YEAH you can! Shoot them in the Arms Shoot them in them in the legs.Shoot them anywhere they're mobil, then you stop them.

Police do not shoot to wound:

SHOOT TO WOUND

The New York Post has just reported that Brooklyn Assembly Members Annette Robinson [D.-Bedford Stuyvesant] and Darryl Towns [D.-East New York] have introduced a "minimum force" bill that would require officers to "shoot a suspect in the arm or the leg" and to use firearms "with the intent to stop, rather than kill."

"When I encounter civilian response to officer-involved shootings, it's very often 'Why didn't they just shoot him in the leg?'" Dr. Bill Lewinski, executive director of the Force Science Institute, told Force Science News in a 2006 interview centered on Paterson's proposed legislation. "When civilians judge police shooting deaths-on juries, on review boards, in the media, in the community-this same argument is often brought forward. Shooting to wound is naively regarded as a reasonable means of stopping dangerous behavior.

"In reality, this thinking is a result of 'training by Hollywood,' in which movie and TV cops are able to do anything to control the outcomes of events that serve the director's dramatic interests. It reflects a misconception of real-life dynamics and ends up imposing unrealistic expectations of skill on real-life officers."

Vice President Joe Biden agrees. When Michael Paladino, president of New York's Detectives Endowment Association, showed him the bill he reportedly scoffed and suggested that it be called the "John Wayne Bill" because of the unrealistic, movie-like sharpshooting skills it demands of officers.

AND

Studies by the Force Science Research Center reveal some of the practical problems with these positions. Lewinski explains some of the basics of human dynamics and anatomy and the relative risks of misses and hits:

"Hands and arms can be the fastest-moving body parts. For example, an average suspect can move his hand and forearm across his body to a 90-degree angle in 12/100 of a second. He can move his hand from his hip to shoulder height in 18/100 of a second.

"The average officer pulling the trigger as fast as he can on a Glock, one of the fastest- cycling semi-autos, requires 1/4 second to discharge each round.

"There is no way an officer can react, track, shoot and reliably hit a threatening suspect's forearm or a weapon in a suspect's hand in the time spans involved.

"Even if the suspect held his weapon arm steady for half a second or more, an accurate hit would be highly unlikely, and in police shootings the suspect and his weapon are seldom stationary. Plus, the officer himself may be moving as he shoots.

"The upper arms move more slowly than the lower arms and hands. But shooting at the upper arms, there's a greater chance you're going to hit the suspect's brachial artery or center mass, areas with a high probability of fatality. So where does shooting only to wound come in when even areas considered by some to 'safe' from fatality risk could in fact carry the same level of risk as targeting center mass?

"Legs tend initially to move slower than arms and to maintain more static positions. However, areas of the lower trunk and upper thigh are rich with vascularity. A suspect who's hit there can bleed out in seconds if one of the major arteries is severed, so again shooting just to wound may not result in just wounding.

If you need more read it yourself.

@Taxpayer

A John Wayne shot is shooting the gun out of someones hand, and it should only be done by trained police snipers. Dropping your aim an inch or two to try not to kill an unarmed man who was obviously not in his right mind is not that difficult. I do have some sympathy for officers who can reasonably show they had a reason for that center mass shot because they thought the perp had a gun even when they didnt. Thats following training, "armed assailant fire center mass". That was not the case here and I doubt any police dept teaches its officers to kill unarmed suspects. That attitude leaves us only victims, the dead guy, his family, and the officer who has to live with killing a man when it wasnt necessary.

Or perhaps not pull a gun in the first place. Nightstick. Taser. Training in how to physically take down a suspect. A gun wasn't his only option. Police resort to shooting far too quickly in this country.

@JOregon

"Legs tend initially to move slower than arms and to maintain more static positions. However, areas of the lower trunk and upper thigh are rich with vascularity. A suspect who's hit there can bleed out in seconds if one of the major arteries is severed, so again shooting just to wound may not result in just wounding."

Thats all just doublespeak. It may still kill them so why not go for a guaranteed kill. That is getting too close to setting up the police to be judge, jury, and executioner. It sounds good on paper but not for the officers who have to live with their decisions and actions.

What the hell is wrong with Jan? Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

It is much more difficult to hit a leg than the chest. Miss and kill some drunk stumbling back to the dorm and you have that issue.

Chances are just as likely the shot in the leg is just as deadly as a shot in the chest. Go for the bigger target, plus by aiming at the chest the attacker sees the weapon as a threat. Pointing the gun down is a mental signal you have given up.

The chest is no more a guaranteed kill than the legs, with the exception you are more likely to miss the leg. At least that is what I get out of it.

My husband was a sniper and when I asked him about the shoot him in the arm or leg comment he pointed out that it greatly increased the odds of an innocent civilian being hurt. I would much rather the mother of the naked guy be asking why he was shot on purpose than the mother of some innocent be asking why her child was shot by accident.

As to the why shoot him thing... if some naked guy came at me and chased me I would shoot him no questions asked. Last I checked "stupid" was not part of the job requirements for police officers. Why do we expect them to martyr themselves? Instead of saying police should be trained how to deal with drugged out nuts why not train our kids not to turn into drugged out nuts?

@3.24 -- LOL! "Martyr themselves?" That's the funniest comment I've seen here yet. Oh dear, the armed, highly trained and sober police officer was confronted by a 135 lb naked man-child who was behaving very erratically. Good thing the officer chose to martyr the boy rather than risk being martyred himself! God only knows, the kid might have found a way to stagger into the building, pee on the floor or who knows what kind of havoc he could've wrought, being all naked and stoned like that.

It all starts in the home.

Oh dear, the armed, highly trained and sober police officer was confronted by a 135 lb naked man-child who was behaving very erratically.

A very muscular athletic young man that was behaving in a totally bizarre manner.

I doubt he was just stoned, if so that bullet to the chest would have fully stopped him. No he continued to go until he died.

You NEVER assume you can physically take someone when you are a police officer. If this kid was on PCP he probably would have killed the cop and taken his weapon.

Some of the new designer drugs create monsters.

You HAVE to take the choice that is safest for yourself and the other students.

How can you defend this murderer? That's right I said murder. He shot a naked unarmed kid who weighed as much as a child. How threatening could he have been? To a giant pussy with a gun probably very threatening. This "cop" wanted to kill somebody, play cowboy and be the big hero. Pathetic and absolutely pathetic that anyone would defend him. I come from a military/law enforcement background and I heard these excuses for years, all from giant vaginas that shouldn't be in public service. As much as I hate to admit it there a lot of scared little boys and girls out there who want a little bit of power and authority, play the cop on TV and shoot somebody. This was one of those losers.

How can you defend this murderer? That's right I said murder.

Easy. He did the right thing.

When such "demonic" rage ensues, humans releases from the adrenaline gland tremendous strength. Almost similar to the case in Florida of the man who chewed off the other man's face. The police had to kill him also.

Taxpayer Joe: You were trained to aim for center mass (not shoot to wound) unarmed people who use harsh language at you? Well perhaps you're one of those undertrained, trigger happy people who should not be carrying a gun, then? Or here's an idea: go get more training, or knowing your limitations (as you said you do) go train more and eat less since you're in a position of being responsible for public (or college) safety. Don't you need to have fewer limitations than others in such a job? I guess being a cop is just as easy as being a busboy if you don't have to have enough training and fitness and COMMON SENSE restraint/good judgement to not murder unarmed drunk kids: Wow, what a pathetic, sorry excuse for taking someone's life: "I wasn't trained any better".

JOregon: you can speculate all you want about what he was on, but any person about to take their last breath, who is a fit 18 year old, can get up before collapsing from a gunshot wound. If someone killed you or your unarmed brother or sister at 18, there's no way in hell you'd be taking the side of the shooter but it's never a tragedy unless it happens to your family, it's always "what was he supposed to do?" He was supposed to not shoot to death an unarmed 18 year old for using insulting language or bath salts or binge drinking jack daniels, or any of the myriad of stupid things college freshmen are required to do to get into fraternities, that's what. Not kill unless physically attacked with deadly force/weapons is what he's supposed to do. If he can't do that' he is UNFIT to be armed with anything but an egg skillet in a Denny's.

Holy crap! I have never seen such a large collection of idiots gathered around their keyboards as we have here.

I love all these "Well he was only 135 pounds ..." STFU. You have NO earthly idea what you are talking about. I know guys who weigh 135 and they will reach in and rip the heart right out of your chest. Shut up. The cop did what he had to do to protect himself from an obviously drugged, looney or whatever, and the officer WENT HOME THAT NIGHT TO HIS LOVED ONES. Hooray for the officer. Sorry for your loss mom.

To all of you that think a 135 pound man is the weight of a child and harmless, you really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

One thing about being naked it made it very clear this was a very muscular man.

Another thing about being naked it is a visual clue the guy is high on a very dangerous drug, not Jack Daniels. Drunks are very obvious. -Face Palm-

These are the kinds of drugs that cause people to feel no pain. Since he was a wrestler I am sure he already had that mastered.

A Sad Story but there was no way the cop made that young man get high. The cop didn't ask for the problem.

The real question is, Who Owns the Problem? The kid was the one with the problem, and he paid the price for HIS choice.

And how do you know what the actions of the kid were? Have you seen the security video footage? You chastise others for coming to early conclusions and then make some very broad assumptions yourself.

Jan, why would say you say that based on that post?

Jan,

Both of you are stupid!

So ? Shoot him in the leg !

Haven't shot a handgun much, have you? Lone Ranger accuracy is for the movies.

So ? Shoot him in the leg !

Ever hear of the femoral artery? That's why. A quick bleed out is a definite possibility with a leg wound it happend to a guy I knew. He was shot in the leg and died in two minutes.

Shoot him in the arm/leg, etc.? Really? Step AWAY from the Hollywood movies. Even an expert marksman will tell you to go for the chest, because even THEY recognize how easy it is to miss a moving limb!

What if someone drugged him? What if there is a very reasonalble explanation for his behavior? When the cop is off duty, he probably gets drunk and acts like a jackass.

Don't blame the parents. Blame the cop for not shooting him in the leg and calling for help. It was a police station, afterall.

Cops have radios, night sticks, mace, training, and two legs to jump out of the way. I've beat up a lot of stoned and drunk people who had it coming, and this super strength from drugs is a myth. It's just an excuse used by fat out of shape cops who got their asses kicked. Drugs may make you feel better but they don't make you better. The drug user thinks he's strong and quick and slick but if you're strait you can see that he is slow and clumsy and has bad depth perception. A couple raps in the head and a couple to the Knee's with the night stick and the guy would have calmed right down. Another cop who always wanted to shoot someone has gotten his wish.

What if someone drugged him? What if there is a very reasonalble explanation for his behavior? When the cop is off duty, he probably gets drunk and acts like a jackass.

Don't blame the parents. Blame the cop for not shooting him in the leg and calling for help. It was a police station, afterall.

Finally, someone that has some sense on here. For all we know he was drugged and sexually assaulted and went to the police station seeking help. Lethal force is supposed to be a last resort, not a first one.

Wow, zuk. You obviously haven't been grabbed by a druggie who was sedated and almost asleep, but who jumped of the bed, dragging the bed behind him, and been held for 20 minutes while the rest of the ER staff tried to pry him off and get a second shot into him, and then while it took effect. You haven't been around people on PCP, have you?

Yes, he might have been drugged and assaulted. Did the guy come asking for help? I kind of doubt a naked man calling for help would be mistaken for a threatening high guy who wouldn't stop, but I suppose anything is possible. If the guy is saying they hurt me, please help me, etc., why would the officer even feel threatened? Procedure would have called for a call for an ambulance and backup, but nowhere did it say he was asking for help or just acting stoned. It said the officer retreated and he kept coming at him. We will see...

Shoot him in the leg? If a shot to the chest didn't drop him right away, I doubt a shot to the leg would. Devil? You really think someone would hit a femoral artery on a shot with a guy coming at you? Possible, but I wouldn't bet my life on it, especially in the dark with a guy running at me.

Why do we go through this with every god damned shooting? YOU DO NOT AIM TO SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE LEG OR ARM EVER! Ever. It's hard enough to hit a moving target and the arms and legs are moving much faster than the body. Aiming for such a small target is just begging to get yourself killed or severely injured or even worse, having the shot miss and hit someone else. If you life is not in danger enough to shoot to kill it is not in danger enough to shoot at all.

Besides people looking for help do not aggressively approach an officer and then get up and do it again after they are shot.

tiredobs,

You must be on drugs! What the heck are you talking about?

@Ray, he was drugged and sexually assaulted and went to the police for help. And the only way he knew how to ask for help, was to try and attack the police officer. LOL. Sounds like someone's sick fantasy.

Are you f@cking crazy? What does the NRA have to do with a Police shooting? Do you people think the NRA has anything to do with Police Departments, Swat Teams & such issuing guns? I guess you think the NRA gives guns to the Military too? Why is it that every time there is a shooting , Police or otherwise you start puking the NRA. I guess every time you hear of a fatal car accident, it's GM's fault? Every time someone has a heart attack, it's McDonalds fault? Why must there always be someone else to blame? Could it just possibly be this guys fault for ingesting to much drugs?

Kama,

According to your theory, judging from the numbers of shootings in Chicago and Detroit they must have a high percentage of NRA members. Do you think they do?

Pennsylvania has the highest number of NRA members, just for the record.

And Deerhunterbow1 is right: WHY MUST THERE ALWAYS BE SOMEONE ELSE TO BLAME? There was NOTHING going on that night until this naked lunatic raged up out of nowhere. How does this situation NOT become the fault of the student, exactly, when he's the one who initiated the situation to begin with?

Jan,

Never been hit full force in the face by a grown man, have you?

No Jan we are telling you that you are stupid & don't know what you are talking about. Like I said before , the Police are taught not to let an aggressor get into a physical altercation with you while you are armed. They can get your weapon & shoot you with it. This isn't the movies, go back & watch Dancing With The Stars or something.

Yes, I have Spikie! So, they teach 'em to just shoot them! And, where did you learn that? What is 'dancing with the stars', Macho deerhunter?

Why is everyone assuming the victim was high or drunk? How about getting the facts first before passing judgment.

After you were struck did you immediately spring up, and put those deadly kung fu moves on the guy? Jan, you are full of bull.

Just search "police taught to shoot center of mass", and perhaps you may learn something.

Well, Stacey, I bet most people don't hang out on that campus butt naked in the middle of the night, and they don't bang on windows of the police room and keep coming repeatedly, not listening to the officer to stop and calm down, and follow him back when he retreats. Just a guess, but I would say something was wrong with his thinking process. Either he was high, drunk, or psychotic would be the first guesses, but who knows? They will do tox screens and find out.

No I didn't, I don't know kung fu. But, when I did get up, I do know how God made us even! No bull!!!

All the other cops on here say deadly force is the last resort!

The NRA is the cheerleader and major political donor for guns for anyone and everyone. They have been so successful carrying a gun has become as common as carrying an iphone and used indiscriminately when there are better choices. In this case, making a call while "retreating" to the secure office woud have worked just fine. Discharging a weapon is increasingly becoming the quick and very dirty solution for more and more people in law enforcement and not.. Read the paper. Daily unnecessary deaths.

Want to talk rights? The NRA has lobbied so successfully to flood America with guns, my and my family's right to safety from "second hand (gun) smoke is lost.

Jan,

Please just shut up! It is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubts! Oh well, too late, we all know that you are a fool!

Jan,

The point everyone is trying to make to you is that you do not know the facts, and this may have been the officer's last resort!

Kama,

Just shut up! This is America and you have the right to your opinion; however, you just proved to the whole world that you are ignorant!

Kamaaina,

You really have no conception of what the NRA is about, do you? The NRA supports the safe and legal use of firearms, of all varieties. The NRA supports the rite to keep and bear arms in accordance with the 2nd amendment of the constitution. The NRA does not condone the illegal use of firearms and in many past instances, actually supported legislation to safely control and monitor the ownership and possession of firearms. They also work with police forces around the country along with natural resource departments and other sporting groups to promote the safe and legal use of firearms. So your argument about the NRA fostering a violent society wrong!

In this particular case, the NRA has absolutely nothing to do with it. Law enforcement officers go through training before they are allowed to carry firearms. The rules for use of deadly force are taught to them so they can anticipate a situation . They are also taught to shoot center mass simply because any other target is almost a sure miss.

@Kama, the NRA are domestic terrorists? Is this Jan's second account?

SpcTorres; I think you are right about Kama ... Jan is Kama on Drugs ...

LOL...Good one, Torres! I'm a female and I belong to NRA, and I'm certainly no terrorist. Far from it, in fact. Lord, the stupid M.F'ers are out in force today.

Like everyone else, I wish Jan would just STFU. It's embarrassing, almost painful really, to read her comments. Please Jan, just take a valium and drink a cup of hot tea, and stay away from the reruns of Wonder Woman and Xena Warrior Princess. LMBO!!

I am guessing that you are OK with this scenario, in any case such as this happening anywhere in the U.S. I would like to know if you can clarify how a person under the influence of any type of medication, alcohol or other substance can identify wrong action from right judgment? You clearly have never been under the influence of anything strong enough to distort your judgment.

"it doesn't matter if this person was on drugs, or mentally ill."

On the other hand the officer in this situation was not under the influence of anything, and had the ability to make a clear judgment call and yet he failed to make the correct choice. How do you justify the officers actions?

I'm okay with it. Either this boy was stupid enough to confront an armed man, or stupid enough to take drugs that led to it. Most drugs just lower your inhibitions, whatever comes out is you. We need far less stupid people in this world. One more down.

The kid was obviously not a threat. He was NAKED, and unarmed! At most the officer should have disabled him with a shot to the leg. I would think the police officer a coward even then. Geez, the kid was only 5' 7" 135lb.

Naked and unarmed... what about the guy who ate off half of a homeless guy's face? He was naked and unarmed. Was HE a threat? Oh, yea. He WAS.

Someone experiencing either a psychotic episode or under the influence of drugs has incredible strength. Even at 5'7" and 135 pounds. Until you are in that situation, you do NOT know what that kind of individual can or will do to you.

I am also guessing you have never done anything stupid in your life? You must be the perfect human being. Your judgment must be superb in all aspects of your life? I wish you the best in life, for stupidity and bad judgment is an essential part of our human growth, it is what makes us better. If you have never been stupid, then you must have lived a life with no intellectual or emotional growth.

So was the person in Florida who bit another person's face not a threat? He had to be shot several times to be stopped.

And a shot to the leg is completely unreasonable. There is more of a chance of missing, and even if he didn't miss, that doesn't mean he would be disabled. Plenty of people have been injured and still manage to continue on, and this person continued on after he had been shot in the chest.

Oh, we're back to this old argument, are we? "You've never done anything stupid"?

There is stupid and then there is ILLEGAL.

Threatening another person with violence is ILLEGAL.

Public nudity is ILLEGAL.

Blowing up a bottle of Coke with Mentos and having the bottle shoot back and send you to the hospital is STUPID.

Goosiegirl, you weren't reading my statement right. I said that YES, he WAS a threat.

StandUpJokeOff, I was reading WindWalker Rangel's post. I agree, he was a threat.

We understand the legality of all this, but a person clearly not in his right mind would not think of the legality of the situation. Do you even think about what you are going to say before you say it?

The case of the guy who ate the face of the homeless dude is different, the guy attacked a man clearly more vulnerable and unarmed. There was no police officer around to help the man in the early stages of the attack, if there had been an officer, there might have been another means of subduing the man other than just shooting the guy. I come from a long line of military family members, and i can tell you that nothing in my view can justify killing another person other than having no other options in true self defense when threatened with death.

Just because someone is not in his right mind does take the legality out of it. Laws are here for a reason, regardless of the lawbreaker's mindset.

The courts understand the issue of mindset, you ever watch a court case where the person is not tried on the basis of insanity or impairment? If the law knows this and it is written in law. How can you continue to make the argument of the state of a persons mental state not mattering if the laws are in place for type of situations.

So far your responses have shown me one thing about your state of mind Goosie and Standup, you are either both really young, or you are both clearly just fed up with the world and humanity. Let me be clear about one thing before I make my next statement, I am not a religious man in anyway. I do still hold human life in high standing, I believe that killing without a clear reason for not having a better means of controlling a person is totally wrong. I do believe on the other hand that anyone who has taken a life or caused severe trauma to an individual or child should pay with their life. I believe as human beings, we are smart enough to make guns, so we should be smart enough to make non-lethal weapons that are just effective as a gun.

Straight up, EVERY DAY there is a story of a PIG COWARD shooting an unarmed person. Yesterday was a 22 yr old kid on his way home from work, last week a woman in a church parking lot. PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR MURDER, just like you or I would get if we shot someone. Who cares what kind of silly costume you wear for your job, you need to be executed or at least locked in a cage forever JUST LIKE ANYONE else. Violent evil pigs keep getting away with this because WE LET THEM !

This kid jumped up AFTER HE WAS SHOT and CONTINUED to threaten the officer!

It's just amazing he didn't earn himself a second bullet.

Again, until THIS KID INITIATED THE SITUATION, the situation did not even exist.

Wind, your posts tell me that you have no idea what mentally ill or high people are capable of doing. They can be incredibly strong (tear doors off hinges and worse) and you can't reason with them at all. If a person is coming right at you and you feel he is about to try to kill you, what would you like to do? Shake his hand? I hate guns in general and am peaceful, and I also know that there are times when lives are at risk that one must defend oneself or others.

Mike, you are just an angry and unhappy person.

Ram, you sound like another pussy cop. If that police officer, (excuse me, cowardly PIG), had any balls, he should have been able to handle a 135lb. kid, regardless of the kid's state of mind, period. Thank God I live in an area where our officers aren't afraid to fight and have been properly trained.

To the Cowardly Pig who shot the kid, I say this to you: You are the epitome of a PUSSY COP. Due to the yellow streak where your spine should be, the only uniform fit for you is that of an UNARMED mall cop. Remember for the rest of your life that you murdered an unarmed 135lb. kid, you P.O.S.!

he should have been able to handle a 135lb. kid, regardless of the kid's state of mind, period.

NAIVE COMMENT. You really don't know what you are talking about.

This was a college campus. The cop should have been used to this.

Key words..."in your view". You weren't there and you have no clue what happened. They will figure it out with the real evidence and not our views.

People need to decide what they consider excessive force before we can ever decide on the use of non-lethal force. Too many cases complaining about the use of pepper spray, batons and tasers. But, then the moment a person is shot, out comes the complaints why didn't they use pepper spray, batons or tasers. You can't have it both ways.

each case must be investigated before making a judgment, i have met many outstanding police officers all great men, but there are always a few that are just plain dumb-asses, they have to ruin it for all! I had a gun pulled on me by a police officer for a rolling stop, the guy was an idiot, and should not have a badge, the expression on his partners face said it all, I had just gotten off work at 6 in the morning and he assumed i had been out all night drinking, anyway i am sure there are a lot of Barney Fifes out there and they should all have there badges yanked, but don't judge a case until all the facts are in.

George Zimmerman STALKED AND MURDERED A CHILD and thats your example ???

Straight up, EVERY DAY there is a story of a PIG COWARD shooting an unarmed person. Yesterday was a 22 yr old kid on his way home from work, last week a woman in a church parking lot. PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR MURDER, just like you or I would get if we shot someone. Who cares what kind of silly costume you wear for your job, you need to be executed or at least locked in a cage forever JUST LIKE ANYONE else. Stupid worthless evil pigs keep getting away with this because WE LET THEM !

considering that you only need 2 weeks training to be a campus security guard they should not be carrying guns horatio.

If this man were armed & the Officer wasn't. Maybe you could answer your own question about them having guns. Most States allow a Concealed Carry Permit for anyone 21 years old. In the case of Campus Police needing guns. I say yes they should. Ask Trayvon Martin about bringing fist to a gun fight. Something else. There is a big difference in Security Guards & Campus Police Officers. I think Campus Police Officers are just as much a Policeman as any Policeman. I know my Neighbor is a Campus Police Officer & works part time as a County Deputy Sheriff.

They are police officers, not security officers. They have the same authority as city cops or state troopers have, and the same training.

Yes it is. We have had rapes and armed robberies on the campus near us. I am happy to know they are armed, personally.

He is a real police officer.

Maybe he couldn't find his plastic gun...rolling my eyes here.

Gary,

He is not a realy police officer. Read the article again!

Cowboy he is an officer read the story again understanding that one line might just have been a reporters error.

The Story says he was an officer and the story says he pulled his police weapon.

More on this here

#143.3 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 4:39 PM PDT

I disagree with you. No officer should be shooting to kill an unarmed person EVER!

"No officer should be shooting to kill an unarmed person EVER"? Well, then, I certainly hope that you're never put in a chokehold by someone, and then as the life is being squeezed out of you, armed cops aren't shooting because... hey, the guy's UNARMED.

You don't know what kind of martial arts or defense tactics an unarmed man can bring to the table. Pair it with drug use or a mental breakdown and they can be even MORE dangerous than someone who is armed.

Yes, Standup, I had it happen to me while working in the ER. If the doctors hadn't had another shot of something nasty ready quickly to knock him out again I wouldn't be here. If that meant the guy had gotten shot I would have wished it hadn't happened, but he did choose to take the drug and I didn't ask to be grabbed that way.

@ retiredsgt: If the kid in question was mentally ill, his family may not have known it. Young adulthood is unfortunately a common time of life for many illnesses to initially manifest (for example, schizophrenia). If his tox screen comes out clean, his family may never know for certain why he did what he did.

@ram-762581: your story points out why it is good for ER workers to have some training in dealing with aggressive people. You really shouldn't have to rely solely on the security workers in your hospital. Sorry you were attacked. At least you had good, immediate meds nearby.

Shoot to wound? Shoot for center of mass. Go to a gun range and see how accurate your aim is. Do not go by what you see on TV, actually try it.

Americanpie,

You have two people disagreed with you already and I am the third one. The reason is that you are not logical! When you are in danger, you shoot in self defense! I am going to pick at both of your comments.

You said:

1. "No one should shoot at an unarmed man": Want to take a couple of rounds with Mike Tyson?

2. "Shoot him in the leg": If you are sitting home watching a football game and a naked man busts into your house and starts to attack you, you will shoot(no time to think where) to protect yourself.

Get real, would you???

He stood up and continued his assault with a gun wound to the chest. What do you think he would have done if he had a wound to his leg? Would he just stop?? NO! He would only have become more violent out of rage for being shot at. So when would it stop, after he killed the cop and maybe others? People need to get in the real world. Cop haters only hate until they are the ones who need them.

Actually shooting someone in the leg is very likely to kill them. Big arteries in the leg.

AmericanPie, when someone with training draws a gun, there is every intention of using it. When the decision is made to shoot, the intention is to put the target down, not to do it nicely or just hurt them. That means that you pretty much have decided that it's you or them, and that you are shooting to kill them. To think anything else is even more unsafe than you could imagine. If law enforcement drew weapons as a bluff or without intending to drop their target, God only knows what situations would ensue.

You make a good case for why all people who own guns should have appropriate training. I am guessing that you do not own one.

He is a police officer.

Anyone thats ever watched a 'zombie flick' knows that the only way to kill one is to destroy the brain. He didnt shoot the kid in the head. Anyone that is trained with firearms is tought to shoot center mass and hence probably why it was a chest shot (assuming the officer should have had proper training to be allowed to carry a weapon). With that said though, police should (not saying he did but should) always carry a taser on duty and that should always be the first gun you pull.

police should (not saying he did but should) always carry a taser on duty and that should always be the first gun you pull.

Too broad a statement. In fact I think that if you are alone in this situation you should pull a firearm as your first choice. Maybe if there are two or more of you one of you could use a taser while the others cover with a firearm.

It's funny but I would bet that quite a few people here who are screaming that he should have done something different would be screaming he should have shot him right off if he had harmed anyone else after the guard used his non lethal weapon. People are so blasted great at hindsight. What people suck at, is putting themselves in the guards place and with a naked man approaching aggressively and having only a second or two to make a decision that protects himself and everyone else who may be around him. Personally I think he did the right thing. I also wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't haunt him for years. It's not uncommon for police officers to leave the force after shooting someone trying to kill them. It can be a very traumatic event. Especially the first time. At some point in time it hits you that you have crossed a line you can never cross back from and you are a killer. That's actually pretty profound.

Most people are never in a position like this so they really have no frame of reference with which to fit this in and so they run around spouting off stuff they really have no idea will work or not. They give advice that's contrary to years of experience. People trained in defense or offense fall back on their training. That training says you prevent the aggressor from doing any harm. It says you shoot at least once if not more to the center of mass because that is by far the easiest target to hit. It says you use a bullet that makes a big bloody mess and stops inside the body. Not one that make a little hole going in and out and through something else. It says that once you open fire, you do not stop until the aggressor is no longer a threat, you run out of ammo, or the situation changes so that the danger of harming a bystander is too great. All these things are taught, but nowhere is it taught to shoot to wound. That's because experience has shown that doing so opens the door to unforeseen and dangerous/deadly results to yourself or other bystanders.

It's a little much to expect someone to take one for the old gipper just to confirm what their training tells them they should do in these situations.

I see people all over this site talking about how the guard is at fault. Why isn't the guy at fault? If you are going to assign blame, then I have to think that the vast majority of it is his fault. (Unless there is some outside force at work here we don't know about or course.) It all started with him. He had the first chance to keep it from happening. It appears he had more than one. Yet so many people ignore his involvement in this and scrutinize guards actions. That makes no sense to me.

RJ, you made a good point, but why did you feel the need to insult anyone? This isn't about liberals, so grow up.

Exactly, Ram. I'm very liberal and am personally more sympathetic with the cop on this one. I talked to a conservative coworker about this article and he's actually more sympathetic with the kid. Go figure.

the thing that should really be brought up deerhunerbow1 is that he was not a real police officer, with a real police officers training. so why the hell did he even have a gun in the first place!

currently i am a trained conservation officer that carries a weapon with extensive training. i am also a combat veteran. some 135 pound naked kid, acting like that with me, would i shoot him. hell no, i would laugh my ass off at him then taser and mace him. the guy that shot him was a campus security guard not an actual member of law enforcement, most likely with little training and experience. the question we all need to be asking is why the hell was he carrying a firearm?

He is a REAL Police Officer & he was at a REAL Police Station. Where do you get that he was a Security Guard?

Here Deer! "A day after a naked student at the University of South Alabama was fatally shot in the chest by a campus security guard"

Jan,

Then it goes on to say Officer three times & POLICE STATION. Don't blame me for a poorly written artical. Look farther down on this post & you will see where these ARE Police Officers.

Campus police immediately contacted the district attorney's office to request an external investigation, and the Mobile County Sheriff's Department will assist, the school said.

Ok what is your point? They called the DA & asked for an external investigation. They wanted another agency to investigate. What's your point?

Campus police are NOT the real police. that is her point. the article was talking about the campus "police station" aka. security office! the person that wrote the article is not clear on what the difference is so they used the term as if it were interchangeable. its not. my father is a REAL cop and he would NEVER shoot to kill in a situation like this and it HAS happened! he was able ti bring down the suspect without use of deadly force, and the man was 21, 200+ lbs and my father is about the same height and weight of this poor kid who got shot! the campus security officers are NOT the real police, they are basically a first line of defense until the real cops show up! they do not have the same training, in fact, most security training programs are only a few weeks long, where real police officers spend a year or more reciving proper training. BIG difference between a real cop and the one that shot a naked drugged out college kid.

Well deserved? This kid was threatening the Officer and even after the gun was drawn didn't back down - he's the idiot. That's part of the problem with our population, no one wants to take personal responsibility for their actions and then their law-suit happy, money hungry family wants to blame someone else and get a big payout because of their family member's lack of common sense.

And then when he died of heart failure from the "tazer," what would you say? "Well, he was unarmed, there was no need to use the taser?"

This kid STARTED the situation. We don't know the physical dimensions of the security guard, if they have a disability of some sort, what kind of area they were in (as in, how long it would've taken help to arrive).

The gun should be the last resort, not the first. Aren't these security gaurds trained at all? JUst shoot first, ask questions later? Sorry, this was very poorly handled, and college security gaurds are usually excops, or military, and carry means of communication. I'm not buying this.

Why do you ASSume it was the shooters fault? Have you ever been in an altercation? In a physical altercation, asking questions isn't usually the smartest thing to do. I am willing to bet that the shooter is white and the crazy person was black, and that is why this thing is getting all blown out of shape. But I don't know the color of either person.

Cause, occasionally one student goes crazy and brings his own gun and starts shooting innocent students!

The campus security at my college in 71-74 were armed and considered an auxiliary unit of the city police. They caught several escaped federal prisoners over the years from the local federal prison hospital.

Gary,

That was 40 years ago! Things do change over time. Back then people used to spit at soldiers coming back from the Vietnam war. We don't do that any more!

Exactly.

As I said above, there WAS no "situation" until this young man came out of nowhere and created one. Therefore, if you want to lay blame, then it's clearly his fault for starting the incident.

Well, I HOPE it was his fault. Actually, my first thought when reading about this was Jeffrey Dahmer's 14-year-old victim who managed to get away and was taken to some police officers. They returned him to Dahmer, believing him to be an adult and Dahmer's drunken lover. I hope this boy wasn't the victim of some crime and in a panic trying to run to an officer for help. That would be too sad.

What a bunch of bull crap. Please define: "running naked in a THRAETNING manner". The dead man was not challenging folks with a gun - it was sworn police officer that was supposed to protect, not KILL. Lately US cops a becoming legal, paid by taxpayers assasins. Thank you very much.

he is a regular police officer, you twit.

Gary,

Do you know how to read? If you do, read the first paragraph of the article before you start calling me names! I am 99.9% sure that you have never attended college! Feeling stupid now, you twit!

Umm, Cowboys, please keep reading before you call names.

Gary,

Here is another reading assignment for you and it is from the second paragraph of this article. Tell me the difference between the following two sentences. Hint: there is a difference-a big difference.

1. An 18 year-old freshman who had graduated high school the previous spring.

2. An 18 year-old freshman who had graduated from high school the previous spring.

Just relax, you have 365 days to answer this question. If you need help, ask any body that has more than a sixth grade education.

From the Univ. Campus Police site

"All sworn officers have completed the Minimum Standards of Peace Officers for the State of Alabama "

ram,

Read the following sentence and tell me where it indicates that the security gaurd was a regular police. Hint: the sentence is very misleading!

Quote from the above article:

"That’s when the officer drew his police sidearm and shot Collar once, striking him in the chest."

Jan,

Please read the sentence you posted ten times if you need to! It does not say the campus security is a regular police like the ones we see in the cities or on the highways! People, read and think, and then read and think again! Completing the "MINIMUM" standards of peace officers does not mean you are a regular police!