Two former security offers from the Benghazi consulate where four Americans were killed in a terrorist attack told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that they had requested security assistance but were "fighting a losing battle." NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.
WASHINGTON — A Special Forces soldier who commanded the security team for U.S. diplomats in Libya until just before the fatal attack there told a congressional hearing Wednesday that there was never enough personnel to protect the consulate in Benghazi.
Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, who commanded a 16-member U.S. military team in Libya from Feb. 12 to Aug. 14, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that U.S. security was so weak that in April, only one U.S. diplomatic security agent was stationed in Benghazi.
"The security in Benghazi was a struggle and remained a struggle throughout my time there ... Diplomatic security remained weak,'' according to Wood's testimony. "The RSO (regional security officer) struggled to obtain additional personnel there (in Benghazi), but was never able to attain the numbers he felt comfortable with," Wood said.
That view was echoed by Eric Nordstrom, is the former chief security officer for U.S. diplomats in Libya, who told the committee his pleas for more security were ignored.
Nordstrom addressed the diplomatic security issue in an Oct. 1 email to a congressional investigator. He said his requests for more security were blocked by a department policy to "normalize operations and reduce security resources."
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not testify on Wednesday, but sent two high level department officials to testify at the hearing.
Darrell Issa questions State Dept. officials about the intelligence failures related to the Sept. 11 terrorist attack in Benghazi Libya. NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports.
Patrick Kennedy, Under Secretary of State for Management, responded to allegations that the outcome of the attack indicated lax security.
The assault on the U.S. compound was "an unprecedented attack by dozens of heavily armed men," Kennedy said. "There was no actionable intelligence available... indicating that there was a planned massive attack."
He said there are regular assessments of resources required to mitigate risk for employees, but that risk cannot be eliminated.
Another state department official, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb, added that the state department "had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time," based on recent assessments.
The Sept. 11 attack on the consulate killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens.
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif, who chaired the hearing, set the tone for a contentious back-and-forth over whether the attack on Benghazi could have been averted if intelligence and security had been handled differently by the State Department.
"We know the tragedy in Benghazi ended as it did," Issa said. “We know now that it was caused by a terrorist attack that was reasonably predictable to eventually happen somewhere in the world, especially on Sept. 11. Requests for extensions for more security in Libya appear to have often been rejected."
Democrats were concerned that after the attacks, a Republican member of the committee visited Libya to investigate, but no Democrats were present on that fact-finding trip.
They accused Republicans for blocking funding requested by the State Department for beefing up security at outposts throughout the turbulent region.
Republicans expressed frustration that the State Department put out a fairly detailed timeline on the attacks to the press the night before the hearings.
Briefing reporters Tuesday ahead of the hearing, State Department officials were asked about the administration's initial — and since retracted — explanation linking the violence to protests over an American-made anti-Muslim video circulating on the Internet.
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In a departure from statement by other administration officials, the officials said the department never believed the attack was a protest gone awry over a film ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad, while "others" in the Obama administration initially drew that conclusion.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
It was a top administration diplomatic official — U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice — who gave a series of interviews five days after the attack that wrongly described the attack as spontaneous.
She said the administration believed the violence was unplanned and that extremists with heavier weapons "hijacked" the protest against the anti-Islamic video. She did qualify her remarks to say that was the best information she had at the time. Rice since has denied trying to mislead Congress.
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Handling of security and the aftermath of the attack has become an increasingly prominent theme for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and other Republican leaders who say they never believed the original explanation.
Democrats on the committee said that they were left out of the investigation leading up to today's hearing, calling it "completely one-sided and unique."
"Although the chairman claims that we are pursuing this investigation on a bipartisan basis, that has simply not been the case," said ranking member Elijah Cummings, D-Md.
Democrats on the committee said they had no access to documents that Republicans claim to have pertaining to the investigation. They also say that they had no access to one of the witnesses, Lt. Col Wood.
Issa was "resorting to petty abuses in what should be a serious and responsible investigation of this fatal attack," Cummings said.
An aide said they did have access to the committee's interview with Eric Nordstrom, who acts as a Regional Security Officer for the State Department, but only because Cummings, assisted with arranging the interview.
Cummings was asked last week if he thought the hearing was political, answering "I think it's a lot politics, come on." He released a statement later saying he supports investigating the attacks in Benghazi, but in a more strategic way.
NBC News staff, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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If our government gave as much attention to details BEFORE an event as they did in these pretend investigations AFTER the event, lives would be saved.
Obama was warned and ignored it. What else do we need to know?
So, Obama was warned and ignored the warning while Bush was warned about 9-11 and also ignored that warning. It's evident, to me at least, that Americans keep voting in a bunch of incompetent idiots that their political parties put forth and then wonder why the US keeps looking like the village idiot on the world stage. You get what you deserve.
Bush was warned and ignored it. Result? I could remember Republicans in congress voting to block funding for the security of our embassies.
Our Commander in Chief failed, that is a sad but true fact.
The buck stops there!
Bush who?...................Is it 7 AM, Tuesday morning, November 6th yet?
Bush has not been in office for almost 4 years-get over it. obama is directly responsible for the deaths of those four people TODAY! There is this thing called depraved indifference....yep that is what it is. That is a crime you know.
These very same repug congressman voted to reduce the spending on security overseas -- what the hell did they think would happen -- or did they do that so when something did happen they could blame Obama. They are willing to risk the lives of other Americans just to win an election. They disgust me.
What is your source for the assertion that President Obama was warned? When, by whom?
Someone knew that the embassy was to be attacked and did nothing? Really? You are delusional.
The right wing is simply desperate to deflect from the stellar foreign policy we have seen from this administration. So desperate, they have no issue politicizing a national tragedy.
Contrast the reaction of 9/11/12 from the Democrats with the reaction here from Republicans. (And the Bush administration actually was warned in a document called, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S.")
You would be benefited to educate yourself on the issue Kim. You're not even close.
Not only was the funding available, but so was the personel.
The right is simply incoherent in their collective delusions. Bunch of mindless zombies.
Kim V, when was that vote and who voted against it?
Because, unless you are talking out of your arse, I will try and fire anyone who did. So please supply your source of data.
Also, since when do we need funding to put Marines at an Embassy?
Listen, I don't care for President Obama, but the President doesn't sit around making decisions about the security at any particular embassy, that's the job of the State Department and its security apparatus. Marching out the US Ambassador to the United Nations to emphatically state what was surely a known lie was a serious lapse in judgement on the part of a senior member of the administration (not like it hasn't been done before). Some one in the White House is in deep do-do over this. The fact that the Press Secretary compounded the issue by flat out lying about it won't help matters much either. I don't recall which of the debates will be about foreign policy, but President Obama had better be ready to answer some tough and pointed questions.
The fact is our intelligence community is not doing there job.
This threat should have been known to the CIA if it was on the ball.
If we were doing intelligence the old-fashioned way by infiltration of these groups instead of driving drones around the sky, then these kinds of attacks would be well-known in advance and appropriate protections taken.
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RT, he makes decisions on who is in charge and he sets the tone.
Also HE did allow Libya to dictate the rules on how the Embassy was protected, that is immature, irresponsible and led to the death of four of our citizens.
Kim -
Actually, it is the democrats who have cut funding, as they cut back the military (the US Marines used to be in charge of embassy and consulate security) during the Clinton years. Clinton also cut spending for FBI and CIA at that time saying it was no longer necessary. This is part of what led to 9/11 in the first place.
The military still hasn't recovered.
Oh, by the way, it is much more economical to use our military instead of having to hire the Halliburton and Blackwater type companies, but very hard to do when our military is so severely understaffed as to make our forces laughable.
Bottom Line .... Cover-up by WH & Cover up by MSM
Obama did more to save BIG BIRD than A. Stevens
Obama yucked it up with his Hollywood Homeys immediately
after the PREVENTABLE slaughter of 4 Americans
Obama was laughing & joking on the View "eye candy" my ass
while the devastated families of those 4 Americans in Benghazi
were still reeling from the abhorrent fatal failure of our "MR COOL"
self serving-arrogant-incompetent-narcisticic ---- Barrack Hussein Obama
We should be angry with the fact that this administration blatantly lied to our faces about the nature of this attack.
Anything to make the Libyan intervention without Congressional approval look like everything was fine and dandy. American lives were lost in the process. I'm becoming very uneasy with how people simply refuse to question or criticize the actions of Obama. This is another he can't blame on Bush.
Give him four more years without chance for reelection and a brain-washed supporter base, and you can kiss checks and balances goodbye.
Anyway, I'm getting off track - let's just get back to the important issues like Romney cutting funding to PBS.
Obama has no clue as to what he is supposed to be doing. People with a brain new this in 2008 and now that he is President it shows even more. He has failed America on all fronts.
November can't get here soon enough.
If we want a real investigation of what went on, wait until after the November elections.
Maybe then Issa will be gone and we can have someone who is interested in governing, not just a side show.
Tammy-311614, you are 100% wrong.
Clinton provided a treasure trove of information on bin-Laden and his plans to Bush who promptly threw it into the rubbish bin. Bush needed an excuse to execute his Iraq War Plan that was already drawn up. And a terrorist attack would provide the perfect cover. That's why Bush was not the least bit surprised in that Florida classroom when he was told about 9/11.
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RTColorado: The United States Secretary of State is the head of the United States Department of State.
WHO is the United States Secretary of State???
Guess WHO: Hillary Rodham Clinton since January 21, 2009.
UnitedStates1776: Please post your source for all that BS you just posted.
The Egyptians warned Obama that the 9/11 anniversary was prime for a staged attack against the US embassies and we should be prepared. That was reported when the Egyptian embassy was attacked. NBC News.
UnitedState1776
Do you care to post a link to that treasure trove of information that was ignored by Bush?
tell me how preparing with adding more boots, more equipment, would have stopped the RPG's. we have kids in afghanistan killed everyday and we can't protect them. you haters just won't stop, but just know there are people out here that know better than the crap you throw out about Obama..
@Unitedstates1776
Look up H.R. 4655 before you go saying who had plans about Iraq.
Strawman -- haters??? really??? Guess what there are A LOT of people that know better and BO's crap pile keeps getting bigger. Hey do you have an Obamaphone? Do you know WHO got rich off it?
A Mexican telecom mogul who holds the title of world's richest man and one of President Obama's top donors are both getting even richer from the U.S. government program that supplies so-called "Obamaphones" to the poor.
So keep telling me how GREAT BO is and I'll keep posting all the REAL facts about this guy!
This is "just a bump in the road", remember?
But back to whats really important, Big Bird. HAHAHAHA COVER UP, PERIOD!!! Can anyone say transparency? Yea right.
Where was Fox News when the Republicans were cutting hundreds of millions of dollars from the State Department's budget for security? I would think they would want to be as quite as possible. They are worried about an Ambassador now. This is what you would define as selective coverage.
When seniors start getting kicked out of nursing homes when the cuts to Medicaid are made, are they going to give it the same coverage before and after.
@StrawMan(R)Anycity, USA Another Obama apologist.
How about using the intel we had about a disintegrating state of security in Libya, and getting all Americans out of the country before Sept. 11th?
The best way to "stop the RPGs" would have been:
1.) Never intervening in Libya without Congressional approval in the first place.
2.) Leaving the country before RPGs were ever fired.
These are all good options.
Think CRITICALLY - use your own brain - rather than mindlessly siding with whatever this administration wants you to think.
Sad how you liberals choose party over country. Why cant you just admit that Obama and his company screwed this one up? You make yourselves look foolish defending his actions.
ir12, when is the democRAT party going to take responsebility for THEIR failed policies?? Bush has been OUT for 4 years the ass party has been in charge for to long and look at what we have today! A little dictator and his minions hairless reid and peeeeelosi. ALL morons, like you.
Nancy Pelosi, A leading Democrat and former Speaker of the House, stated that the REASON that Ambassador Stevens had no security was Republicans would not fund Security.
So what she is saying is that Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, KNEW of the Threat and failed to Protect Ambassador Stevens and LET HIM be brutally murdered, raped, tortured, along with three other Americans.
Obama paid over $100,000 to circulate a video apology around the Muslim World. He gave the Muslim Brotherhood over $1.5 Billion along with $260 Million for a jobs program for the Muslim Brotherhood.
Obama paid over $1.1 Million each for 2 Canadian RV's to campaign with. He flies each RV on a C17 to his Campaign Stop, Obama flies in Air Force One. He arrives at the airport gets into the RV and drives to the Campaign Stop. After the Campaign he drives the RV back to the Airport and flies off on Air Force One. The RVs are loaded on the C17's and flies to his next Campaign Rally.
Obama has thrown away over $90 Billion Tax Payers dollars on Green Solar Energy
Obama has spent over $6 Trillion Dollars in 3.5 years
Obama had plenty of money to bomb Libya without Congressional Authority.
Obama has hundreds of Millions of Campaign funds at his disposal
Obama has the Authority to order Security to Protect Americans and American Property at any costs.
But Nancy Pelosi is LYING, Obama is LYING, Hillary Clinton is Lying.
Ambassador Stevens was MURDERED by the INCOMPETENCE, THE POLITICS OF LEFT WING LIBERAL DEMOCRATS OBAMA, CLINTON, PELOSI, AND REID.
Obama Administration, starting with Obama, is involved in the biggest CRIME in the History of the USA.
Ambassador Stevens found out too late that you cannot TRUST Obama. When are the rest of us going to learn??
News Flash. Live campaign event at the US Capital Building now is progress. Amazing, these guys could not approve a bill to provide jobs for veterans because they had to go home to campaign. However, they will come back to hold an investigation for something they do not even have the final FBI report. Is there no end to their hypocrisy.
Sad how RepubliCANT's get themselves in a frenzy over this Libya mishap by extremists which unfortunately claimed the lives of 4 Americans, while completely "forgiving" the Bush-Cheney Cartel in their involvement in the 9/11 Twin Towers Scandal and 2 needless wars (for oil) that cost thousands of lives, injured and permanently disabled thousands of others.
Repulsive.
truetexan, try to stay on subject. It makes you look foolish.
JMagnum,
Not sure if you are up to date but Bush is not president anymore. Also, what involvement did they have in 9/11? Also, Obama can pull us out of those wars at any time. How many lives have been lost on Obamas watch?
This was first on CNN...
From addicting info, yes I know it is liberal but CNN Soledad did the interview and I would like our conservative friends to know that it is out there to be found...
I am absolutely amazed MSNBC has actually reported this... Note the headline though is short saying the security officer's full testimony which said requests for increasing security was denied. That is the more damning information here...
Finally many posts caught this as well. It is crysal clear the Obama Administration downplayed this (read that as cover up) because they "hoped" it would get lost in voters minds and it wouldn't harm the campaign. This is absolutely disgusting...sbsolutely disgusting... Obama's character shines through, and I quote "...these events are just bumps in the road..."
The hawks, like McCain would never cut military spending especially with regards to protection. Anybody suggesting this is nuts.
The failure was the policy and then the cover-up and then attempt by MSM to quietly push this terrible event under the rug so Obama's failures aren't exposed.
The policy was for the US to have have a very low profile. The owner of the consulate building even wanted to put up wire to at least somewhat protect the Ambassador and others. He is on record saying he and others could not believe the lack of protection for this consulate. Obama and Clinton and Rice decided the most effective policy was one of easy access to the ambassador instead of walling him up behind protection which has been the case more and more for those serving abroad.
The problem with this policy is how utterly naive it is. Thus the reason for the cover-up because they knew the lack of protection would be a huge issue if Americans found out this silly policy.
What is really sad is the asking and the refusal to change policy in the event of many threats and damage to the building. This administration refused to listen to the warning signs and thus we were attacked and good men were killed.
I accept that their policy was flawed, but I do not accept that they refused to change that policy and they put others at risk that already were at great risk. Then to purposely concoct a story to cover-up the truth is unforgivable and stupid.
Susan Rice was adamant and that was long after she knew the truth. To keep doubling down a lie is awful. She needs to leave her post ASAP.
The lack of coverage on this issue by the MSM is awful. They should be so ashamed. We all know that if a republican was in the WH the MSM would be on this story night and day to uncover the truth as they should. This relationship between the WH and the MSM needs to stop ASAP otherwise we will become just like what the Chavez regime considers to be free speech. Do you really want that?
If the democrats were left out it is because they would have refused to follow the data due to the election. I get that. But I think they know how to get on a plane just like republicans and they could have booked a trip to Libya as well.
The story actually got squashed by the government of Libya when they clearly stated that there was no riot about any film and in fact it was a planned attacked by terrorists on the anniversary of 9/11.
sheepdog -
Any lapse in the performance of the present administration can be traced to cuts - that is called blowing smoke. Come on, its the leadership administering those cuts that's on point here. As pointed out at the hearing the State Dept blew $160K on a reception at the Swiss Embassy showing off two new electric car charging outlets... I'd say that money would have been better spent in Libyan security...
I'd suggest you quit breathing the smoke and drinking the cool aid...
@ir12...the biggest fools on here are you and j boy magnum. I will add to that ALL the libs on here. The ass party has the right animal to describe them. Asses.
They were busy investigating Bush's gunwalking programs and determining that they were Obama's fault.
It is sad that the GOP have chosen party over country, flash over substance, mean-spirited backstabbing over genuine progress.
It's pathetic, in fact.
@sheepdog. from the mouth of Ms. Lamb, currently being questioned in the hearing. "we had the assests"
They had the personel, and the budget. Get off your liberal spin, and be honest with yourself.
More Blood on the GOP/American Talibans Hands, The State Dept asking the Republicans for more Money for Security in Benghazi and the Repukes said no. How long are we Americans going to let the GOP/American Taliban kill our Children and Embassy Staff?
Vote Straight Democrat this November we cannot have the Obstructionist kill anymore of our Citizenry
ROSSO3! You're an idiot. Funding had nothing to do with it. The Gov paid the remaining people MORE MONEY when personnel cuts were made. If they had money to do that, they could have put more people in place for security
Where were the hearing when Bush lied us into Iraq???? oh, that's right, only Republicans hold hearings on Democrats...NEVER ONE OF THEIR OWN!!!!
Thisbusymonster,
That is cute. Here is one for you. Where was the MSM when the terroist attacks were happening? Thats right, covering Obamas campaign stop in Vegas.
ScottW,
Kind of like the justice department doing an investigation on one of their own? Nice spin, slick.
Sheepdog -
Check the transcript of the hearing. The State Dept official ( Ms Lamb - ironic Hillary sent a lamb to slaughter so to speak) who made the decision to deny the extra security request, just testified under oath that the decision was not made due to funding constraints...
Like I said SMOKE...
Thats alright sheeple, BOZO and his court jester loses by a landslide next month. BY A LANDSLIDE!! Hopefully we can get rid of the communist, I mean democRAT, party and get this country back on the "right" track. If you libs had your way this wouldnt be America any more. What would the ass party name this new form of gov. they would create? Take your time and let me know. I'll check back tomorrow.
@get real.
It's friggin amazing, the libs won't even listen to the words coming out of their mouths.
The money and the personel were both available!!!
I've heard this over and over.
Ambassador Stevens and diplomatic personnel in Libya were asking for an extension for the US Security Support Team, headed by Lt. Colonel Andrew Wood, to continue in Tripoli after their deployment was scheduled to end in June:
Asked for comment to the memo and Wood's comments, a spokesman for the House Oversight Committee told ABC News: "Diplomats working in Libya viewed security provided by highly trained Americans as critical to their safety and mission. The Oversight Committee's investigation continues to seek answers about why - even as threats against Americans increased - senior State Department officials erroneously decided such security was no longer needed."
In February, the embassy reported to the State Department that the "security environment in Tripoli remains uncertain and unstable. Although there has been a marked decrease in the number of militia checkpoints around Tripoli, the Transitional National Council (TNC) has not yet succeeded in demobilizing the multiple militias or bringing them into a centralized command and control structure. There continues to be large numbers of weapons throughout Tripoli, with gunfire heard throughout the city on a daily basis."
The State Department pushed the American diplomats to develop plans to transition its security staffing to one that incorporated more locally based assets, but its ability to do so was "severely limited by a number of factors," the February memo states, including inconsistent support from the Libyan government, no reliable "armed, uniformed host government security at our residential and office compounds," no "real progress on the policy framework required to support a transition to an armed locally engaged body guard force," silence from the Libyan Minister of Interior when it came to formal U.S. "requests for firearms licenses, training sites, or static, host nation security."
The request concludes: "Given the unstable security environment, projected staffing increases, lack of physical and technical security upgrades in place and continued high volume of VIP visits, Embassy Tripoli requests an extension" of the Security Support Team for four months, which "will allow us to implement the security transition plans recommended by the Department. A loss of SST now would severely and negatively impact our ability to achieve the Department's policy and management objectives at this critical time in Libya's transition."
Investigators are exploring whether anyone at the State Department told the Embassy specifically not to request another extension.
So yes, you are right in saying that Ambassador Stevens' diplomatic party asked for more protection, but he asked it from the State Department--his boss--to pass on to the President.
You are, however, wrong in saying that President Obama ignored it--from the general tenor of the above-quoted report, it seems that he was never given the chance since an official at the State Dept was encouraging them to develop relations with local forces and did not pass on the request from the diplomats to the administration, and it appears to be under question whether someone ordered the diplomatic team NOT to request it the SST from the president.
Keep trying Neo-Con. Republicans blocked funding for additional security just like they block everything the Administration requests, this time it cost lives! Then when the sh!t hit's the fan they act innocent and blame the Democrats. American needs to wake up to this right-wing un-American activity.
OL_Doc,
Listen to what Hillary said. The funding was there and not the issue.
Diplomatic security in Libya 'weak' before attack, former leader of protection team testifies
The headline should read,,,
Obama administration policies weak, Americans testify.
This is an absolute cluster-f**k!
Another example of our Incompetent-In-Chief's inexperience and dysfunctional foreign policy.
Of course Barrack Hussein, and the Liberal cabal, was giddy when Osama Porn Laden was killed. This administration was desperate for some shiny object to dangle in front of the American people who know how inept this government is.
With the most momentous anniversary in the terrorist world, the attack of 9/11, approaching our ambassador was asking for increased security.
It was DENIED!
Based on WHAT? Did they think that Barrack Hussein and Joe "Bite Me" Biden prancing around the country like little girls bragging about killing one of the most admired terrorists in the terorist world was going to make them happy? The ignorance of Barrack Hussein and Hilarious Clinton is an outrage.
The adolescent belief that Al Qaeda has somehow been weakened because we killed Osama is laughable. He has been insignificant for years. Al Qaeda is NOT a single picture on the Most Wanted List. It's a huge network of terrorists, all branded with different names that have one thing in common.
THEY HATE US!!!!
As Barrack Hussein departed on his glorious "Global Apology Tour" within 100 days he apologized on three different continents for what he believes were the sins of America and his predecessors. Kowtowing to foreign leaders in submission for what he perceives as faults.
HE CAN KISS MY A$$!!!
When he told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe, any respect I may have developed for him went out the window.
And then he sat silently and submissively as a brutal dictator, Daniel Ortega, launched a 52 minute anti-America tirade that any self-respecting president would have walked out of. He didn't. Because he's a weakling.
Barrack Hussein is your typical Liberal faculty lounge elitist who thinks he's smarter than everyone else because he read a few books and wrote a couple, ABOUT HIMSELF! His narcissism and arrogance is obvious, but his economic, domestic and foreign policies are a disaster.
The terrorist world senses his weakness and self-doubt. His dysfunctional belief that the Arab Spring was going to bring the Muslim world, that has been at war amongst themselves for millenia, together was not only irrational, it was stupid.
Now we had a brave American Ambassador and 3 diplomats returned to us in coffins because of Barrack Hussein and his administrations incompetence. How can anyone be surprised? This is what he has been showing the world for almost 4 years.
The world is watching and Barrack Hussein is once again leading from behind. Our allies don't know what he's doing because he can't even decide who our allies are.
We need to get rid of this embarrassment sooner than later. Nothing he has done has helped us or the world around us. Our security is our most cherished right. When the president can't guarantee that he must be removed.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
obama, our first black president has failed.
Get used to it Romney in Nov. He has been successful at everything he has done, he will make America #1 again.
That's the question. Per my post at 1.51 above;
Asked for comment to the memo and Wood's comments, a spokesman for the House Oversight Committee told ABC News: "Diplomats working in Libya viewed security provided by highly trained Americans as critical to their safety and mission. The Oversight Committee's investigation continues to seek answers about why - even as threats against Americans increased - senior State Department officials erroneously decided such security was no longer needed."
There's also questions about whether the State Department actually told the embassy not to forward a request for an extension of the SST to the military authority--which would have been the President as Commander-in-Chief. This is a disastrous example of what happens when pencil pushers think they know what's best for those on the front lines--better than those on the front lines themselves.
And while I do believe that some of the blame should rest on President Obama, as the head of this Administration, the greatest part of the blame should be on whoever it was at the State Department that made the decision that extra security was no longer necessary. The President is one person and he has to count on his advisors to give him the truth about what is going on. If they don't there's not much he can do--he can't know everything, he's not God.
Now look at the time line of what the Administration knew. The quick response team of some 66 armed personnel were turned away by armed attackers inside the compound trying to rescue the Ambassador and others in the safe house. This quick response team is a heavily armed team and they apparently were turned away by a mere angry mob according to Obama.
FACT is Obama's administration knew this was a heavily armed attack and deliberately chose to cover it up. These are the blatant facts from the testimony today...this is damning and the liberal press needs to figure out their spin pretty quick to save their buddy...or maybe they should print the facts and allow Americans to do their own thinking.
Yes a piece of this is why didn't they get what was asked for...shoe needs to be on the other foot. Washington should make absolutely sure every embassy has what they need - not field requests and make pencil pushing decision. All Ms Lamb did today was look foolish and play the fall gal...
That aside, the more important issue is Obama's politically motivated lies to the American public - belittling the four murder Americans to political pawns in his bid to retain power. Shameful at best.
This is really an apologist article, light on facts and slanted. Hillary should be fired for this -- period -- and Susan Rice? She she be in jail.
Get Real,
The lib press will do one of the following:
1. Fabricate more lies. 2. Blame the republicans. 3. Blame Stevens some how. 4. Make it seem like this is no big deal. And if that fails..........pull the old race card out.
ir12
First, the State department doesn't "Pay" for the Marines, the Department of Defense does. There are no "Brown Dollars" exchanged between Defense and State to pay for Marine Guards.
Next, as much as I do not support President Obama, and think he needs to be replaced with pretty much anyone else, the true villain in this case is the State Department. But, that isn't really unusual as they have made it a practice of screwing up pretty much everything that they have touched for the pas 200 years or so. Their lack of getting things right can be traced all the way back to 1805 and the First Barbary Wars.
In 1805, after William Eaton, the US Marines, and the mercenaries had captured Derna with plans to do the same to Tripoli, the State Department represented by Tobias Leer made a Deal with the Pasha of Tripoli to end hostilities for a payment (Ransom) of about $60,000. We abandoned our our allies and sailed away only to have to come back in 1815 and fix the problem a second time. 175 years later the Ambassador (state Department Sr. Representative) that instructed the Marine Guards to keep their ammunition "locked up" at the embassy in Tehran. His Orders prevented the Marines from defending the embassy against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his merry men on November 4, 1979 . There is not much that is more deadly than a Marine Rifleman, but he is little use if he doesn't have any rounds. Likewise, The Ambassador to Lebanon also issued a restriction that the Marines could not be "locked and Loaded" unless a certifiable threat could be proven. That "certifiable threat" turned out to be the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut. Are you starting to see a pattern here?
The State Department is also the group that authorizes us to pay people to be our "Friends" (Pakistan for example). Nothing much ever changes in Foggy Bottom; just (monkey) business as usual.
Reminds me of a 10 lb bag holding 20 lbs of sh1t. I'm surprised it's taken almost 4 years for the bag to burst. Unfortunately the dam has burst and we've got a whole retention pond of sh1t coming through the breach. It kinda fun watching all the Obama supporters running to plug the whole. Too bad it's too late for that. All they'll end up doing is getting themselves covered in the stuff. The worst part of the whole mess is he got sh1t all over the country.
Cheney/ Bush / Rove all lied to the American Public about WMDs and sent us into 2 unwarranted and un funded wars that killed Thousands of American Lives and Hundreds of thousands of Innocent Iraqi and Afghani lives. The GOP / American Taliban are Traitors to this great country, and if they would of increased spending for security in Benghazi this tragedy would never have happened, another GOP clusterphuk. They are Responsible for 2 9/11s
I just watched the entire Benghazi Hearings live on C-Span!
For those BO Dems who R asking for proof that Obama denied
A. Stevens security despite BEGGING for it....Not only did Obama
deny xtra security.....He reduced the security that was in place!
They will re-air the hearings at 7pm Ohio Time tonight.
The basic summary of the excuses given by the BO DEMS was this..
Until an American is actually KILLED/MURDERED -
we will NOT PROVIDE security! How can any decent American citizen
defend that? & even in testimony today the BO DEMS could not use the word
T E R R I O S M
security!
Who knew Obama was so much like Clinton. Blaming the film for this Administration failed policy at our Embassy is Obama wag the dog moment.
Ol_Doc
Guess again. The State department doesn't "Pay" for the Marines, the Department of Defense does. There are no "Brown Dollars" exchanged between Defense and State to pay for Marine Guards. All the state department has to do is call the Commandant and say "We want 50 Marines in Libya tomorrow morning" and it will be done. The Corps even provides their own transportation.
*Terrorism* ~~ post # 1.63
They actualy raised the hazardous duty pay because it was dangerous over there but yet they sent half the security force home. I just dont understand why Obama felt it neccessary to lie lie lie to the american people about it not being a terriost attack. This is going to bury his chances of reelection especialy since his statagey is to call Romney a lie lie lie. How can you call your opponent a lie when you did it to cover up a terriost attack which nobody but a damn fool bought that mob story anyway.
I would actually have more respect, not that I really have any, for Obama if he actually came out and said this was a terroist attack and we totally f-cked up.
How typical and pathetic is it that Mitt and the GOP would stoop to the lowest level to win the election--even to use the deaths of Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith (State Dept Info Mgmt Officer), Doherty and Woods (both former SEALs turned Contractors.).
Romney/Ryan and GOP are deplorable as are those who choose to write off (and apparently suffer from selective amnesia) the actions of the Bush-Cheney Cartel as "unimportant" and old news.
I don't know which is more disgusting: the fact that the GOP is using terrorism as a "New Concept" in Benghazi or forgetting the actions of Bush-Cheney and their involvement in the 9/11 Twin Tower Scandal and the thousands of lives they cost US in New York, Iraq and Afghan. And don't forget the strained relationships throughout the world, thanks to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Libby, the Carlyle Group and all the other 1% that get rich off the blood of Americans.
Did you read the article?
In a departure from statement by other administration officials, the officials said the department never believed the attack was a protest gone awry over a film ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad, while "others" in the Obama administration initially drew that conclusion.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
It was a top administration diplomatic official — U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice — who gave a series of interviews five days after the attack that wrongly described the attack as spontaneous.
She said the administration believed the violence was unplanned and that extremists with heavier weapons "hijacked" the protest against the anti-Islamic video. She did qualify her remarks to say that was the best information she had at the time. Rice since has denied trying to mislead Congress.
I am leaning more toward the idea that Ms. Rice will (and should) bear the brunt of the fall out and resign from her post. I don't want to make judgments, but this looks almost inevitable.
Jmagnum,
You can keep repeating your lies but no one is buying them. Keep trying though, its fun watching you lefty tools grasp at straws. You better get used to saying "President Romney"
Watch this hearing and do this simple little thing. Time how long the Congressman speaks while "asking his question" and then time how long is given for the panel member to reply.
You will note an enormously one sided time domination by the Republican Congressional members. If you want to find out what happened, why spend 80% or more of your allocated time giving a speech instead of letting the panel members to reply? Very simple answer. The Congressman wanted to grand stand and give their own "testimony" more than the wanted to hear what happened.
I am sure many of you Republicans were watching this and cheering about how the Republicans were"getting to the bottom of this." I'm sure that some of you really enjoyed this hearing. Now take two seconds and ask yourself why you are celebrating the tragic death of Americans? Is it because it gives you a chance to express some political viewpoint and relish in what you see as a failure of this Administration?
I'll just close by saying that as disgusting as some of the Congressional participation in this hearing was, to watch and somehow enjoy what you are watching because it makes some politician you hate appear as a failure, is equally disgusting.
O'bama is the man!
O'bama/Biden 2012!!
This is an issue that all Americans should be concerned with. It is amazing to see people trying to ok what has happened because the Party in control of this situation is Democratic............that shouldn't matter it appears that on several levels this Administration and State Department have screwed up and are trying to do some cover-up. This should be of concern to Democrats, Republicans and Independents. And for everyone saying "Bush" this or "Bush" that.............he has been out of office for four years and this is currently going on. Democratic Senators want to know what happened and that this is important so drop your blind obedience to party they did.
“mishap”? “unfortunately”? I wonder how the families of the murder victims feel about those designations. This wasn’t some “uh oh” that happened. Four people who served this country lost their lives. Four families will never again hold their loved ones or get a call from them or spend a holiday with them. There was nothing about that which can be called a “mishap” or “unfortunate”
I keep hearing that Obama didn’t know. How did he not know? Did his staff not tell him? I might buy that IF there were now vacancies where those people used to be, but there aren’t so far as we know.
I might buy it if Libya hadn’t gone public about what they had told our government within a day or two of the incident – well before Obama and crew admitted their story “might” be wrong.
I might buy it if it hadn’t been being discussed on Fox cable TV within hours of it happening. They were talking about the rockets that were used. They were discussing the, at that time unsubstantiated, reports that Libya was saying they had warned the US. They were discussing the fact that the UK had pulled their people back in June or July because of the threats. So again, how did he not know? At the very least, Rice should have turned on a TV before going out and tossing around her wild story. You might not like Fox, but they had it right long before Obama and the liberal media.
JMagnum,
How typical and pathetic is it that liberals like you will use whatever excuse you can find to bail out and defend your pathetic joke of a President hmmmm? You can't even hold your own side accountable for its despicable actions. You're a joke pal. A sad, pathetic little joke.
IndependentinSD,
There are few things in life more pathetic than a coward who sits behind a computer and calls other people "traitors". I dare you to walk up to any registered Republican and say to their face what you said here. You'd be picking your teeth up off the sidewalk. Of course that would take far more courage than a spineless coward like you has.
Keep your forked tongue between your teeth coward.
Rest assured, O'bama had the American citizen arrested that was responsible for the "film"!!! Complete with the appropriate apologies to the "protesters"!!!
Sure happy to see so MANY experts on here. IF you a**holes know so much, why aren't any of you running for office? I mean, hell, you ALL have the answers, for EVERYTHING, why aren't you running? Just think, you could save the whole world. LMAO. You people are such a JOKE.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) voted to cut back on funds for embassy security. (AP Photo/J. Scott)
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."
"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,0000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Now GOP/Teaparty=American Taliban= Un American try and squirm your way out of the death of 4 Americans in Benghazi, you have caused 2 9-11s you people are pathetic
Wizard
I could be the Wizard if I only had a Brain....
Ohio BOB McQ
Doesnt take a genius to figure out O'bama lied in order to cover up his inadequacies in this particular situation
That you're jumping to moronic conclusions without and evidence supporting your conspiracy J. Edgar...
Ah, you must be Republican? :)
IndependentSD (Left Lib),
Again you keep repeating lies. From your name to your posts you are constantly trying to spin your liberal garbage. Please go home and pray to your Obama Chia Pet head.
The despicable thing in all this are the Republicans trying to make hay out of a tragedy. They brought this up when they did trying to influence the election,and everybody knows it. The pro-Romney posters on this board know and are running with it I see. Well after the election and the President is re-elected,there needs to be a DOJ criminal investigation launched on Republican efforts to corrupt a democratic election. I'm tired of seeing these POS getting away with their tricks verging on treason.There needs to be serious retribution to prevent this in the future.
IndependentinSD
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Give it a rest Spanky.
No one is listening to your adolescent blame game. Real Americans knew this was a cover-up within 48 hours of this heinous act that our government not only knew about, they let it happen.
You limp-wristed Libbies and your goose-stepping bobble head media should be ashamed of yourselves for voting for this embarrassment of a President. This is an atrocity that never should have happened and you know it. You and your comrades can try to deflect this all you want.
It's NOT George Bushs or Dick Cheneys fault or any other bogeyman you Liberals keep trying to create to cover for the pathetic job Barrack Hussein has done. His incompetence is known around the world, that's why none of our allies even associate with us any longer.
The blood of these brave Americans and most of the blood in Afghanistan is on our Ditherer-In-Chiefs hands. It's time he took off his mom jeans and put on a pair real mans pants and admits he is incapable of doing the job. A real president doesn't hear about violent riots exploding around the world attacking our Embassies and Consulates on the eve of 9/11 and just skips onto Air Force One to fly to Vegas to get more of that rich, fat-cat, money.
You and your bleeding-heart cabal of Liberals need to finally admit the only reason you voted for this buffoon was to pretend you're not racists.
Just make sure you don't do it again this November and prove your ignorance.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
Read it and WEEP RWNJ
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) voted to cut back on funds for embassy security. (AP Photo/J. Scott)
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."
"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,0000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we're talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you're in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things."
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Once again the GOP/Teaparty=American Taliban have killed American Citizens overseas with there lack of knowledge about security
Wizard of Want: Watch Willard on the news this evening (or now on the internet) while he talks to a crowd of RepubliCANT losers. He's lying through his teeth and the only one's fooled by his "claim" of "knowing" Woods are you RightTards who stand by him.
I am NOT a Crook Nixon (aka "Tricky Dick") AND I CANT's make up my mind RoMONEY (aka "Slippery Mitt")
Is the debate at a lower altitude for the next Presidential rumble? I dont want that to be an excuse again!
Should we look at the earmarks attached to these? Or do you concede...
justicenonexistent
Sad but true my friend.
Of course to our sad excuse of a president this is just another,,,,"bump in the road".
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
Republicons defunded the security forces for our American diplomats for two years to the tune of $459 Million dollars! Now they are crying because security was not good enough.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Leave it to the unAmerican republicons to cheer about American deaths that they caused.
And now all of you that Blamed Obama, do the right thing and make an apology here on the vine......... Show us that you GOP dont have on Rose colored glasses, Show us that you can admit when you are wrong? Show us that you are American and not Un American.... I will be waiting and watching to see who has the GNADS to apologize
Dereliction of Duty. That is what Obama's last 4 years have been all about. Unfortunately, it had to result in the death of 4 US diplomats and the theft of sensitive security information, as a result of a planned terrorist assassination attack on the anniversary of 9/11, before some people would start to realize just how incompetent and AWOL Mr. Obama has been. And the following statement tells you all you need to know about the motivations behind Mr. Obama's negligence.
"That view was echoed by Eric Nordstrom, is the former chief security officer for U.S. diplomats in Libya, who told the committee his pleas for more security were ignored.
Nordstrom addressed the diplomatic security issue in an Oct. 1 email to a congressional investigator. He said his requests for more security were blocked by a department policy to "normalize operations and reduce security resources."
Yes, indeed, Obama wanted everyone to believe that he had normalized the situation in the ME and that there was and is no longer any more need for security or military resources there, despite wide spread warnings and attacks leading up to the 9/11 assassination hit. All because Obama wants to make himself look bigger than he really is and to dupe people into believing that his policies are working. So, when the proverbial shat hit the fan, he was stuck using a cover story, concocted by terrorist, to try and hide his incompetence and failures in order to keep them from impacting his reelection campaign. Most of the media lap dogs went along with it. But thanks to some and members of Congress, it is now being exposed and will continue to be exposed. And anybody that votes for Obama in Nov is condoning his failures and dooming US to 4 more years of incompetence and lies. Count me out. I'm voting for strong leadership that will focus on the nation's needs and not his own agenda. I'm voting for Romney!
The thing that sickens me the most is the President's almost indifferent reaction to this incident. Romney was furious, and somehow the President came on TV with his "I don't really care" attitude. Accused Romney of "politicizing" the death of the ambassador, and got a boost in the polls. He got the boost in the polls in the face of a disaster he was responsible for. That just makes me sick, and he accused Romney of politicizing it?!? He has no care for the lives of the people who have died, all he is worried about is collecting more votes and thinking of ways to blame the Republicans for his failures.
I am sorry that your love for O'bama has blinded you from all of reality.
KingK
John Doe-2241225
Kornfed
There is 3 Un Americans above, could care less about Country only thing that matters to them is party, Truly Sad
What was it that allowed the critical lapse in security arrangements in Benghazi? Was it the preoccupation with fundraising and preparation for the November election? Or the feeling of a “job well done” in Libya, overthrowing Gaddafi? Or was it a complete lack of understanding of the circumstances Libya fund itself in following the upheaval? Or the sheer incompetence of The Administration Team to ensure our people were secure in Benghazi?
I’ll say all of the above! To make things worse, for two weeks or more, President Obama was telling fibs to the world about the incident, when he knew the truth a few hours later!!!
There is only one issue here that is important and that is to save America from Obama's "fundamentally transforming (America) her". You libs aren't able to analyze the facts that are right in front of your face. You base everything on emotion and not logic. You haven't been able too since the imposter came on the scene. The conservatives on this blog can see exactly what Obama is tryng to do to this country. He told us!! He is going to 'spread the wealth and fundamentally transform her'!! Did you think he was lying? If you lib's don't vote like this country's future depends on it I guarantee you, you aren't going to like the outcome of your folly if Obama the fraud gets another 4 years. Except you will be taking down the rest of us who KNOW exactly what he is all about. This election is so critical. This vote should be for America, not a certain party because that is how you have always voted.
Romney/Ryan 2012
wtw of KC
Obv you havent seen this article explaining how the GOP defunded Security for overseas Bases and Consulates
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) voted to cut back on funds for embassy security. (AP Photo/J. Scott)
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."
"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,0000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we're talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you're in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things."
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Once again the GOP/Teaparty=American Taliban have killed American Citizens overseas with there lack of knowledge about security
Hmm. The 14 year old Pakistani girl who got shot by the Taliban yesterday considered President Obama her ideal in espousing liberty, leadership, equality and education. If children in conflict countries look up to him, I wouldn't exactly call that 'worldwide acknowledged incompetence.'
As for 'none of our allies associate with us any longer'...um, last I saw no country has shuttered their embassy up here in the US, packed up their flag and gone home. No one's imposed trade sanctions on us because they don't like us, and while other countries may not approve of what and how we're doing things, no one's embargoed us or withdrawn their diplomatic parties from our soil.
Look, I get that you dislike President Obama, don't approve of the job he's doing and dislike policies and procedures he's adopted while in office. But please argue your viewpoint from a reasonable, rational platform instead of letting emotion take over and speak comments that common sense and a knowledge of recent events would indicate are untrue.
Choosing a candidate for the next President should be based mostly on reason, logic, fact and provable public record, not from pure emotion and gut instinct. What you want for our county and where you want us to go as a nation is important since you are the US, but you also have to think about what is best for EVERYONE around you, not just yourself, and evaluate which candidate has a better sense of values and has the best interests of the country at heart.
And if you think that's Mr. Romney, that's absolutely fine. If you think that's Mr Obama, that's fine too. If you think its Ron Paul, that's fine, or any of the other candidates. Just be reasonable, rational and logical about it. Don't get swept up by the rhetoric, the hype, the sensation. Think first, then decide.
(And if you could stop calling other people names, that would be great too.)
Since my post was collapsed I'll repost it.
UnitedState1776
Do you care to post a link to that treasure trove of information that was ignored by Bush?
of course not, she is not going to add perjury to her sins! But you can bet that Obama will throw her under the bus to save his sorry butt!
Is Jason Chaffetz of Utah going to testify that he and fellow GOP members of Congress defunded 300 plus Million dollars for Security of Embassies overseas?
I think not Issa is a good Goose Stepping in Line Republicon
More and more excuses needed to cover up for Obama. The little clueless Obama supporters are always having to grasp at straws to make or promoted the lies and excuses coming from this administration. Sadly, the excuses are made to cover the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of people. Fast and Furious and Libya are ALL Obama, they were his decisions and made by people he appointed to head up departments.
The facts are in, only those in deep, deep denial can make excuses for Obama and his teams. The Ambassador in Benghazi and three other Americans died because the Obama team wanted to pretend that Libya was a success and that Obama was justified in taking out Quadaffi and turning the country over to the terrorists that his administration armed and abetted.
Stevens pleaded for more security and Obama and Hillary essentially ignored him. Obama was FAR TO BUSY APPEARING ON THE VIEW AND LETTERMAN to take care of foreign affairs. The campaign comes far above and beyond anything so silly as terrorists attacks which he no longer even calls TERRORIST ATTACKS, guess not using the word terrorist makes it go away?
Not only was Stevens murdered, he was also tortured and sodomized, but hey, that's ok because you Obama supporters don't care about human life apparently, all you care about is attempting to make Obama look good.
jimmyfox(telling on the last name) what a bizarre little story you weave out of that crusty little booze-addled brain.
Sources for your accusations (will not hold breath)
Why didn't Stevens (a veteran ambassador) remove himself and his staff from Libya with the increasing violence around them? What about command and personal responsibility from him? These were not children left in harms way.
My guess is that obama did not want to offend libya by protecting our consulate. A lack of trust you might say and hey, isn't he all about appearances?
Besides, it's just another little bump in the road that the liberal media can smooth right over.
Think about this, there are 15,000 security contractors in Iraq right now, today. We have more than 6,000 contractors in Baghdad alone. So you are telling us that the State Department couldn't pull a couple dozen or so from Iraq! You know that country we supposedly left almost a year ago!!
For the record, they certainly pulled the security contractors after this happen to send them to every embassy in the middle east to beef up security.
Its not about funding, its about incompetence of which clearly this administration is filled with. This is why in the end Liberals lose elections or don't get elected because of not being able to secure our country. They just don't get it and never will.
Amanda-2017567 (#1.100)
You can get pretty much any of the Pakistani’s to admit they like Howdy-Doodie nowadays.
I stand by my point based on the PEW Research Study from June.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/global-opinion-of-obama-slips-international-policies-faulted/
You don’t need embassies shuttered or flags packed up. When allies summarily reject our policies we have a leadership problem. Great Britain, India, Israel, Poland the Czech Republic and others have no idea what this administration is doing. Barrack Hussein doesn’t know if Egypt is an ally but he claims China is. He makes “off mike” deals with Medvedev for “more flexibility” in the future. But of course he condemns Romney for calling Russia “our greatest geopolitical foe” as they cohort with Iran and known terrorist groups.
As far as choosing a candidate based on reason, logic, facts and provable records, where were these for Barrack Hussein in 2008?
The 2008 election was purely on gut instinct and a whole lot of promises for hope and no resultant change. It was based on pure hysteria and the fact that it was “historic”. You and others may have been brainwashed into the mass delusion, many of us saw right through it.
I have been involved in politics for over three decades and I have never seen a nation so divided. You can try to blame it on the Republicans, George Bush, Grover Norquist the TEA Party, Big Bird or any other parochial excuse, the bottom line is the president is supposed to lead. It is HIS responsibility to acquiesce not ridicule.
I don’t dislike Barrack Hussein, but I abhor his statist ideology.
I do not believe in social and economic justice for the collective. I believe redistribution of wealth and charity should begin AND end with the individual, not some monolithic bureaucracy. I believe in true free-market principles mandated by our Constitution. I believe in federalism with its inherent dual sovereignty that allows true cooperation between the States and the Federal government. I believe the Constitution IS a “charter of negative liberties”.
Finally, I believe in American exceptionalism. Yes, America is better than most nations on this earth, that’s why they all want to come here. They don’t come here by mistake.
I don’t know how much better Mitt Romney will make our great Republic. But I do know that Barrack Husseins ideology is not what is best for my beliefs.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
Per my post at 1.51 above:
Asked for comment to the memo and Wood's comments, a spokesman for the House Oversight Committee told ABC News: "Diplomats working in Libya viewed security provided by highly trained Americans as critical to their safety and mission. The Oversight Committee's investigation continues to seek answers about why - even as threats against Americans increased - senior State Department officials erroneously decided such security was no longer needed."
And:
Investigators are exploring whether anyone at the State Department told the Embassy specifically not to request another extension.
So yes, based on this, you'd be right in saying that Ambassador Stevens' diplomatic party asked for more protection, but he asked it from the State Department--his boss--to pass on to the President.
You are, however, wrong in saying that President Obama ignored it--from the general tenor of the above-quoted report, it seems that he was never given the chance since an official at the State Dept was encouraging them to develop relations with local forces and did not pass on the request from the diplomats to the administration, and it appears to be under question whether someone ordered the diplomatic team NOT to request it the SST from the president.
Can you point me in the direction of where you found that? This is the first I've heard that. I'd read that he was still alive when he got to the hospital, that he died from smoke inhalation. The people of Benghazi carried him out of the embassy to the local hospital still alive and then died at the hospital.
Apparently he really was well-liked over there, because about a week later the people of Benghazi rose up, stormed the compound where the militants were hiding, killed several and drove the rest out. Thirty of the citizens of Benghazi died doing it, but they accomplished their goal.
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell
Breaking News form ABC Obama lied to the American People about the Libyan Consulate Attack once again (like that is really news)! Lies and nothing but so how can we believe ANYTHING these Wall Street Political Puppets have to say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJf6Q_jPrJk&feature=player_embedded
Now there seems there never was a "protest" in Benghazi after all!
OK so now what is the Governments (Democratic & Republican) spin on this latest lie? To protect Barry's & Mitts Secret Al Qaeda Forces in Libya / Syria?
Libya leads to Syria which leads to Iran which is what all of this is about in the FIRST PLACE! Sadly at some point Russia / China are going to say NYTE and then All of Our Children will be in danger!
Seriuosly folks isn't it funny how the Main Stain Media still insists on blaming Syria for the "Unknown Attack" (but probably done by Syrian Free Army) on Turkey and no amount of supporting evidence seems to stop their fantastic War Mongering claims! Remember the Maine........
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/world/middleeast/syria.html?_r=2&smid=tw-share&
Give US a break with the Propaganda & Disinformation and out & out Lies....The CIA Sponsored British SAS lead Al Qaeda Terrorists fire a Couple of Mortars int Turkey and once again Turkey responds with overwhelming artillery barrages in an attempt to provoke a reaction from Syria!
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all
Think about it folks who benefits from these attacks? Al Qaeda under the guise of the Free Syria Army and their supporter Barrack Obama who gets his NATO Intervention that he and Billary have been pushing for over the last 18 months!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120802
And Who Is Pulling The Gruesome Twosomes Strings? The Globalist Elite in the Council On Foreign Relations that's who.
http://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782
With their Bloody British SAS now leading the Free Syria Army which are made up of 50% or more by Al Qaeda. This is nothing more than another False Flag Operation in the making.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183869/Britain-secretly-equipping-Syrian-rebels-latest-satellite-phones-help-topple-Assad.html
Don't believe Our Government would ever create a False Flag Operation even against Americans? Watch this new PBS Video......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I
We still do not know who fired into Turkey but we sure know who fired into Syria, now don't we?
Here is a new supposedly FSA Video claiming "They" Fired On Turkey?
http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=OyfpHrq8Bw8
America….. Just Say No to another Not War for Wall Street and the Military / Industrial Corporations Fun & Profits! If a NATO Country is the Aggressor then the NATO Treaty Plainly Does Not Apply!
Psst And Syria has not accepted blame for this atrocity no matter what the Main Stain Media try's to imply....Once again don't believe watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqHzWIcYFVE&feature=channel&list=UL
So again are We The Sheaple going to be lead up Wall Street and the Military / Industrial Corporations Slaughterhouse Chute for their own Fun & Profits?
Never Forget President Eisenhower warning to US about the Military Industrial Complex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Obama (Bush & Cheney) To The Hague For War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity in 2013!
"War is peace....Freedom is slavery....Ignorance is strength." ~George Orwell, 1984
Jim Spence:
Thank you, that's what I was hoping for, logical, rational rebuttal instead of namecalling.
I agree with you about the 2008 election; it was a lot of histrionics and emotion. I'd like, however, to point out something to you: I don't vote so I was not 'brainwashed'. Please watch the namecalling.
Now, I will say that when he was elected, I was on unemployment and welfare. When he signed the ARRA and there was all this federal funding available for renewable energy projects, my company was able to hire me full time away from the temp agency. when he signed all the workforce training acts my company was able to send me off for specalized training, and now we're off welfare and doing much better. I can't register to vote, but I wish I could so that I could vote for him again. While I don't like everything he's done, he's done a few things that were (I believe) good for the country as a whole and me in particular.
I hope that Mr. Romney is not going to become the next president--I think a couple of closed-door decisions, some things that President Obama has refused to do that I think Mr. Romney would support based on party platforms will erode our freedoms and rights even more, but the choice will have to be made collectively by US citizens and there is nothing that I'm going to be able to do except make sure my husband and my children are safe and cared for if the worst happens.
Obama's little coverup attempts are backfiring like crazy.
http://abcnews.go.com/international/attack-benghazi-consulate-unprecedented-state-department-official/story?id=17438780
REPUBLICONS DEFUNDED EMBASSY PROTECTION FUNDS BY 1/2 BILLION DOLLARS FOR 2011 ANMD 2012, You tube video by H Clinton..... VIDEO WARNING OF DISASTER BECAUSE OF DEFUNDING! Was shown on MSNBC the real news channel.
Yep the repubs defunded to the tune of 1/2 billion of embassy protection money then whine when there is no security for embassies......TYPICAL REPUBS! VOTE AGAINST AMERICA, CHEER WHEN SOMETHING THEY CAUSED GOES WRONG!
Reading down to here---it is dumbfounding just how stupid the sheepeople really are. OBAMA,CLINTON are as GUILTY of murder as if they were there and pulled a trigger.
KNOWLEDGE of PROBLEMS and the LACK of security and NOT DOING anything is just the tip of the ice berg.OBAMA and CLINTON are so INCOMPETENT and INEPT in their positions that NOT only did we have 4 AMERICANS MURDERED in LIBYA but the previous 6 months of US DEAD in IRAQ and AFGAN are also on them.
THANK GOD that WE will be dumping OBAMA and his TRASH in NOV.!
it is amazing how ignorant Americans are!!! its sad 4 good people died, but how about the over 3000 soldiers who died in Iraq over a fabricated war?? i dont hear any congressional hearings about that... your all pathetic your country is on the decline as world superpower and all you care is your party politics.. goodluck with that. Whole world is watching as the empire collapses, continue arguing and its fun to watch as there are some of the dumbest people on here....do you even sit down and ask yourselves as any decent person would do...the mess created by the warmongers in 8 years could it be cleaned in 4? if some one could lie so much on national tv does it justify the notion the rest of the world have that America is a country of the dumbest people who do not know how dumb they are?? in the east there rises a power and its name is China, in the west crumbles an empire and its people are just too dumb to realise it.. just about everybody knows it except for the chosen dumbest nation on planet...America it was fun having you as the superpower really enjoyed the music, the movies, war planes, and many others elect Romney in November and......GOODBYE AMERICA IT WAS NICE HAVING YOU AS WORLD SUPERPOWER
It's been nearly four long years since obama was elected and yet apologists still bring up the failings of a previous administration. BJ Billie was too busy getting a knobber in the broom closet to go after OBl and yet we don't belittle him for his lack of leadership.
Always trying to distract to other leaders' failings is a sure sign of lack of confidence in the present leadership. "Because another leader was lousy we accept the lousy qualities of our current leader."
Starsailing
I haven't stop laughing for the past hour. Thanks, you made my night.
I just finished watching the hearing on CSpan. I sat through the hearings and what came out was that the administration wasn't real interested in Libya. The additional security requests were denied, however, additional hazardous pay was issued so, in fact, there was knowledge that the situation in Benghazi was very dangerous but not importantly so politically speaking.
No one could explain how the utube video excuse could be desiminated so widely and for so long by this administration. Kennedy stated that that was the intel they had and that's what they used. Now, those who bash Bush for using flawed intel in Iraq are willing to give Obama a pass for using flawed intel. So, what is it? Flawed intel under Bush bad, flawed intel under Obama is Bush's fault?
Amanda: Kucinich (sp?) spoke most eloquently about the entire morass. He rightly noted that Libya was never a threat to the US, that Obama went around Congress to attack Libya, that prior to his attacking Libya said country was essentially stable under Quadaffi (someone who had not been a credible threat to anyone for many years and, in fact, had eschewed any WMD programs back in 03) and that intervention in what was essentially a civil war, was unnecessary. He also noted Obama's addressing the people in Cairo, telling them to 'democratize' and standing by while one ally was destroyed to usher in the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Obama is pursuing a very peculiar Middle Eastern 'strategy' one that destabilizes the region, destroys former 'allies' and allows for the ascendancy of Radical Islam. Ambassador Stevens was 'collateral' damage, a 'bump' in the road, an inconvenience. The reason the consulate was not secured properly was purely political, it would be 'unseemly' to beef up security in an area that had been seriously destabilized by his actions. Far better to pretend that the situation was stable and, if that was not the case, then extreme negligence and incomptance are hallmarks of his administration. Who appointed Hillary as SOS?
As to the torture and sodomizing, there are references to that on the internet, look them up. Also, the Ambassador 'disappeared' for nine hours and his whereabouts were unknown until his body appeared in a Libyan hospital. I doubt seriously that autopsy reports will ever be released or else a 'condensed' version will make air. It is very tragic that we can no longer fully trust the government or the media to tell the truth anymore. Too many lies for too many years. Why was the Warren Commission report sealed?
Tammy way up there,
Actually it was a bill proposed by a Republican and it happens to be the same Republican that has asked for these hearings.
Here are some links LivingBareFoot:
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/261243-cummings-defies-issa-to-restore-cuts-to-embassy-security-as-both-parties-spar-over-libya
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-forget-about-big-bird/2012/10/09/5f9a411c-1258-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_print.html (about the 4th or 5th paragraph)
Oh Debbie, Debbie....
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/debbie-wasserman-schultz-on-the-initial-intell-on-the-u-s-embassy-attack-in-libya/?hpt=pm_mid
big bird or big turd? banned, rereg of multiple accounter Atlas Unplugged.
Focus on the comment, not the commenter, Repulicants. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Published: Oct. 8, 2012 at 4:21 PM
WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 (UPI) -- American diplomats in Libya asked for a security team's deployment to be extended in advance of an attack that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens, officials said.
ABC News reported Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, the leader of a 16-person security detail tasked with guarding the American embassy in Tripoli, said his team was sent home despite a previous request that their 16-month mission be extended. Stevens requested their stay be extended once and the State Department agreed. A second request was never made once that extension expired and the House Oversight Committee is investigating whether Stevens was told not to make the request.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/10/08/Stevens-sought-longer-security-detail/UPI-61141349727670/#ixzz28uzcOgfV
The attack took place at the Consulate, not the Embassy.
Jimmy in Philly
What good would the 16 man security detail have been guarding the embassy when it was the consulate that was attacked? Whether they stayed or whether they were sent home, either way their job was not to watch Steven at the consulate. You need to learn to comprehend what you are reading so not to look so stupid.
Ken, when they all leave the Embassy for security reasons, they ALL leave. So there would have been 16 more armed guards.
Steven
AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION...
YES
Livingbarefoot...good point, but how effective another dozen or so security personnel would have been is another question. What is suspicious is the rapid planning and execution of the attack. Having some experience doing that kind of thing I can tell you, it takes real expertise and good intel to pull it off. If I was on the Congressional Panel I'd want to know how the bad guys knew Ambassador Steven's movements and the timing of his movement. The attacks appear well coordinated and executed. That is really troublesome.
Ken -
Your comment leaves you gasping for air just like the trout you are named after.
Too bad that you obviously do not have the education to understand that it was and is Obama's responsibility as Commander-in-Chief to ensure that our diplomats are safe.
Obama thought it was more important to go to Vegas on a campaign fundraiser than to send personnel to protect the ambassador or to remove the ambassador from a dangerous situation. Obama failed to do his duty - PERIOD! There is no other person responsible.
In my opinion, Obama's actions are treasonous and he needs to be charged as an accessory to murder as he failed to take appropriate action.
Obama asked the Republicans for the money; they cut it. Exactly how should Obama have supplied more security, used his Visa?
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For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program —well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
RT, 16 armed Marines and 3 other armed ex-military guards could deter an attack and may have. We won't know, there could have been zero lives lost, coward terrorists like to attack weak and easy targets or we could have had 16 more dead.
If the latter happened, that would be tragic, but there would be a few hundred dead terrorist also.
Ken... Ryan's budget is not what's being talked about here, your basically talking about a hypothetical at this point in time.
Your other argument would be nice if it wasn't for that pesky little fact that we already had the personel there, and they were pulled out of Lybia. You're argument for funding is a flawed one.
To finish my point, the overlying issue here is when did Clinton and Obama know about it, and why did they purposely try to mislead everyone around the world about the goings on of that night? All the evidence points to the fact that everyone knew or should have known that this was a coordinated attack, and not the "youtube movie" that Obama's administration wanted everyone to believe.
Susan Rice is a lying political hack nothing more.
She KNEW that was a lie!! She should be fired immediately, or resign TODAY! She lied to "us" for a week, all the while knowing she was not telling the truth. Her credibility has been destroyed, but Obama is trying to cover for her, for covering his incompetance and his "lie first" con job to all of us. This was an intended cover up big time!
You WERE asked how guarding one building would improve the security of a different building.
Do you not understand the problem here?
First the repubs try to cheat their way into the White House by going after the voters, trying to deny them their ligament right to vote, when that fails, they go after these dead heroe's. Using their deaths for political fodder, how disgusting, these sad remnants of a party once made great by Lincoln and Roosevelt, Teddy not Franklin, have sunk so low as to have no honor, no believability, and no shame. If greed and stupidity are your virtues, then good luck to you, you can have them!!
Yes Jimmy, you are stupid. It would appear that the President was never informed of the request. You claim President Obama committed treason by not approving a request he apparently never received. As a Republican, you certainly should be familiar with treason.
* George W. Bush Administration out a CIA Operative as retribution for disproving their claim regarding Yellow Cake Uranium.
* George W. Bush Administration "fix the intelligence around the policy". Downing Street Memo.
* George W. Bush Administration lie to Congress and invade a sovereign nation that had nothing to do with 911.
* Ronald Reagan Administration illegally sell weapons including Stinger and Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Iran to fund a covert war in Latin America.
* Republican Corporate Executives conspire to overthrow the United States Government during the FDR Administration and align the US with Nazi Germany in what became known as the "Business Plot".
Yes, if anyone can smell treason...it's a Republican. The problem is, it's nothing special...just another tool to gain power and wealth.
U dishonest 2 faced leftest BO DEMS can spin this however you like.
I watched the hearings live! The men who were on the ground in Benghazi
(whistle blowers if U will) said there were 234 violent incidents IGNORED
by the Obama Stae department......prior to 9-11. They said they sent
multiple-repeated URGENT request for help to BO DEMS ~ & 1/2 the time the Obama
state Department didn't even acknowledge them...Blew them off!
And of course when the C-Span DEMOCRAT callers called in...the one and only
thing they could say was ...I think those wascally Wepublicans are trying to make
poor wittle skinny Obama look bad! (I'm paraphrasing of course) but that was the gist
Just an observation here.
Libtards raise hell about defense spending. They think the defense budget needs to be cut to ethiopian skim levels, but turn around and complain when those budget cutting methods are utilized to reduce the very same things they bitch about.
The US Marines are charged, as part of thier umbrella, to safe guard, defend, and protect US Embassies. No Money, No Troops, Lower Retention, and Drops in Recruitment, according to Democrat wishes, and then Democrats who desire cutting the military down to nothing, bitch when there aren't enough troops to do the job.
The Libtards, whine, complain, and bitch about Defense Contractors like Haliburton who basically pick up the slack.
The security detail for the Bengazi Consulate was NOT, US Marines, but basically contracted security, by the same companies they claim take all the money, and yet now they are bitching about how these former special operators are dead, being employed by the same companies they complain about.
The libtards say the military isn't necessary, and our troops DO NOT need to be deployed in far off lands. Attacks on American Consulates, Embassies, Bases, Ships, and interestes vital to our national security occur, and the libbies play the blame game as to why wasn't our troops there to do thier damned jobs.
Such hypocricy, I wish the hell they would make up thier minds....
No. The security at the embassy was a Specialized Support Team headed by Lt Col Andrew Wood. They were at the embassy at the end of last year, the embassy asked the State Department (their bosses) for an extension on that SST deployment, and the request was granted.
Then they sent another request prior to the Benghazi attack, which the State Department denied and may have never forwarded the request to the president at all, then apparently allegedly told the diplomatic party not to go over their heads and appeal to the CIC of the Armed Forces personally. The diplomatic party was told they should work on "developing local assets" for their security (depend on the Libyan military) who at the time already had their hands full with random acts of violence all over the city.
There had been an incident a few months prior to this where an armed individual got too close to the embassy, but this was dealt with smoothly and effectively by the Libyan military 'assets' currently guarding the embassy. I suspect this effective handling led to the decision not to extend these soldiers' deployment by yet another 18 months when they had already served another 18 months after their first deployment, and also may have contributed to the ambassador's party deciding not to pack up and leave right then and there.
You Republicans are disgusting,playing politics over the deaths of Americans. There is something seriously wrong with your moral compass. In April 1983 our Embassy in Beirut was attacked by terrorists and 17 Americans were killed. In October of the same year 6 months later a Marine Barracks there was attacked and 241 Americans were killed. On 9/11 2001 almost 3000 Americans were killed in terror attacks on our own soil. These tragedies have 2 things in common.One they took place on a Republican Presidents watch.And second Democrats didn't play politics over American deaths. Unlike the Republican attempts to use these deaths for political gain.
The republicons defunded embassy security by $459 Million dollars over two years and then howl because embassy security was weak.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
How very patriotic of those party over country losers.
Ol_Doc,
STOP SLINGING YOUR NON FACTUAL MANURE ALL OVER NEWSVINE, "GET SMARTER HERE".
Valerie Wilson outted by the Washington Post. When the Bush Administration ordered the DOJ to go after the Washington Post the Democrats started screaming "Freedom of the Press", "Right to know", "Constitutional Rights", etc..
President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein.
Nice Wikipedia information. Wikipedia Disclaimer of Validity. You fail to mention that it was an attempt under the Foreign Military Sales of US Military Equipment to the Ex Patriots Loyal to the Shah of Iran to Overthrow the Government of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
What a JOKE. President FDR had already Nationalized the US Businesses and US Industry to form his US Military Industrial Complex to get the US out of the Great Depression with the Sales of War Materials to England, France, Russia, China, etc.; after his New Deal to the American People Failed (using money US did not have to create Jobs), and after he knew that US Consumerism would not get the US out of the Great Depression.
Based on President FDR's Actions he knew who was actually NAZI and Mussolini Sympathizers as to why he Suspended All US Labor Union Activities, where do you think the US Labor Unions got their violent "Union Tactics" from. As during the Great Depression the US Labor Unions were taken over by the "Italian Organized Crime" as "Legit Businesses with Political Clout". During the Liberation of Sicily and Italy the Union Bosses demanded the US Labor Unions Strike to stop or slow down the US Military Liberation of Sicily and Italy. These US Labor Union Strikes became Violent with Firebombings, murders, arson, etc.. President FDR ordered the US Military Police (not National Guard) to stop the US Labor Union Violence. As the US Military Police were being beaten to death, they used machineguns against the Violent US Labor Union Strikers. To further cut the source of income within the US for the Mussolini and NAZI Sympathizers President FDR instituted his Universal Health Care For All US Citizens to get the US Insurance Corporations out of the Medical Profession, as the US Insurance Corporations were owned by "Italian Organized Crime" as a "Legit Business with Political Clout", as for "Italian Organized Crime" it was normal to make money from "Business Insurance" (extortion), "Fire Insurance" (sold by their Arsonists). "Health Insurance" (avoid beatings), etc..
At Love2Troops - It doesn't matter how these Demtards try to spin Obama knowing or not knowing. Every day, there is this folder that is given to the CiC called a national security brief. EVERYDAY, that details what security threats, what incidents have occurred in and around ALL US Interests. Now, chances are, Barrack tucked that little folder somewhere in his pile underneath his Campaign Travel Itinerary, his Golf Score Cards, His legal briefs to sue States for trying to defend thier borders from illegal immigrants, his autographed copy of The Transitional Program for Socialist Revolution, byLeon Trotsky, Joseph Hansen and somewhere above his honey do list. But hey, is The Socialist Messiah and as much as these Demtards Blame Bush for not acting sooner to prevent 9/11 (even though Sudan had Captured OBL in 1996, and offered the extradiction of bin Laden to Bill Clinton, who refused), they sure as hell don't like the @!$%# stink to befall thier wannabe teflon don.
Amanda, Amanda, Amanda - newsflash sweetie In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million, NOW IF the US MARINES were the ones securing our diplomats and embassies, paid for by Department of Defense funding, then why in the hell would civilian contractors (NONE of those killed were US MARINES - But a CIVILIAN SECURITY DETACHMENT, Contracted by the State Department) be killed? And why in the hell would it matter IF the State Department Budget was cut IF the US Marines were assigned to protect the very embassies they are supposed to be defending?
It don't matter how you try to spin it. In one hand you people bitch about Government Contractors (like Haliburton), then bitch you want more money for those same contractors. And when the sht hits the fan, it is everyone elses fault because you folks can't seem to pull your heads out of your asses and figure out what you really want.
I tell ya what you need to do. When Obamacare really kicks in, hop on down to the local pharmacy and pick up some preparation H to treat your brain tumors.
Oh, please, you defenders of Barack are pathetic, beyond pathetic. Barack lied, Hilary lied and people died, unnecessarily and to compound the lies, they pushed those LIES FOR WEEKS after the events unfolded. So, bottom line, you support a known and obvious liar and that, my friends, is beyond pathetic and borders on the congenitally insane.
Amanda-2017567,
Nice long post as a FAILED ATTEMPT to say that you are worse than an Islamic Jihadist and will defend President Obama Wrong or Right to your Death.
OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT.
President Obama is the Commander In Chief. LTC Woods is a US Military Asymmetric Warfare Officer. His reports would have gone also to US Special Operations Command, from US Special Operations Command straight to Redacted then Briefed to the US President in his Daily Briefing.
LTC Woods attached to the US Department of State, his Reports would go straight to the Secretary of State. Secretary of State directly Reportable to the US President.
US Military attached to the CIA, the CIA being the President's Own Executive Intelligence Agency directly Reportable to the US President in Daily Intelligence Briefing.
LTC Woods as a US Military Asymmetric Warfare Officer directly Reportable to the US Secretary of Defense. The US Secretary of Defense directly Reportable to US President Daily Briefing.
The US Ambassdors are Political Appointees directly Reportable to the Secretary of State and have Direct Access to the US President.
This is NOT the First Time that President Obama IGNORED his "Experts".
His "Experts" of his own CIA warning him about the Increasing Strategic Sphere of Influence of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, after President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy as seen by the Ayatollahs of Iran as President Obama negotiating from a position of Defeat. Resulting in the increase of Overt and Covert Activities Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran against US and US Allies Worldwide.
The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, training, funding, arming, the Islamic Jihadists at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, Syria, and Northwestern Iran to Overthrow US Allies Established Governments Worldwide.
General McKiernan requesting more US Military Forces (90,000) to accomplish the General McKiernan War Plan to Win Afghanistan. President Obama demands General McKiernan's Letter of Resignation.
General McChrystal states that the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran is directly supporting the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada, etc.. President Obama gives General McChrystal a Letter of Reprimand for violating President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy (Appeasement). General McChrystal requests more US Military Asymmetric Warfare to fight Asymmetric Warfare Afghanistan, and gets only 1/3rd (33,000) of US Military Conventional Warfare Forces that General McKiernan requested. And to make matters worse, President Obama sends thousands of Non Combatant US Civilians as his US Civilian Surge, breaking the already strained Logistics of General McChrystal.
US Ally President of Egypt tells the US that there are increasing Islamic Jihadist Activities. The Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood was trained by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, to Overthrow US Allies Established Governments. President Obama ignores this, and even says, "Dictator Killing His Own People".
US Ally Saudi Arabia asks President Obama to do something about the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran. President Obama ignores them and pisses them off, so they say, "President Obama gave Iraq to Iran as a Gift on a Golden Platter".
President Obama's CIA tells him that the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran is pressuring the Islamic Shia Government of Iraq, as no more negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton for the US to remain at Iraq, and MUST Withdraw from Iraq according to the President Bush Iraq Withdrawal Timetable. President Obama ignores this. The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran tells Iraq that they will negotiate with their Allies the Chinese and Russian Federation for the Iraqis Oil, that could have paid for the US and US Allies Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil. The Libyan Oil becomes of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies.
Former US Ally President Gaddaffi is reporting increased Islamic Jihadists Activities and identifies them as the Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc.. President Obama ignores this and still ignores this, after the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group became the Government of Libya.
US Ally Government of Afghanistan is telling President Obama about the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran pressuring them to negotiate the High Tech Mineral Wealth of Afghanistan with the Iranian Ally, the Chinese. These High Tech Minerals are necessary for the current US High Tech Standard of Living and the Future US Alternative Energy. President Obama ignored this. The Afghans negotiate with the China Metallurgical Group.
US Ally Pakistan tells President Obama that the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran is pressuring them to get all US Military Bases out of Pakistan and no longer allow Pakistan to be used as the Logistics for Landlocked Afghanistan. President Obama ignores this. The Islamic Jihadists increase their activities.
You want me to keep listing the other times President Obama ignored very important Strategic things Amanda-2017567
Do you really know what the Mission of a Specialized Support Team is.
It's really amusing how many on this vibe have zero idea what the difference is between an embassy and a consulate. Marines are in charge of security at Embassy's and the host country is supposed to be responsible for security at consulates.
It's been proven time and time again that the Republicans were responsible for the cutting of security staff and yet all you screaming meme conservatives keep blaming the President. Not very bright. You just point the spotlight back on those you worship.
You keep wanting to blame the wrong people. Man, it must suck to be you.
No David she doesn't. But being a libtard, she is under the impression that it is the entire might of the US Military, when quite the damned opposite is true. For HERS and others edification,
Lt. Col. Andy Wood, a Utah National Guard Army Green Beret who was the top security official at the United States consulate in Libya, told congressional investigators that his 16-member team and a State Department force left Libya in August despite U.S. officials in Libya asking for increased security. NOTICE CHICKIE AUGUST.
Sources said to be familiar with the Libya operation told lawmakers that 13 threats were made in the six months leading up to the Benghazi incident, with repeated requests made for additional security that were denied.
From CNN article - No one focused as relentlessly on using diplomacy as a strategic tool as VR," Sean Smith's friend Alex Gianturco wrote in a tribute posted on his website.
Gianturco wrote that Smith had been under fire before, while posted to Baghdad. When that occurred, he usually broke off his messaging. "We'd freak out and he'd come back OK after a bit," Gianturco wrote. But Tuesday night, after reporting "GUNFIRE," Smith "disconnected and never returned," he added.
A few hours earlier, Smith had posted, "assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures," he recounted.
No Marines, No Military Personnel. And guess what, the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group, (formerly Marine Security Guard Battalion), a battalion-sized organization of U.S. Marines whose detachments provide security at American Embassies, American Consulates and other official United States Government offices WERE NOT on STATION.
Here is another little piece for you to chew on, a handful of well trained, well disciplined and determined Marines would have been more than adequate to defend that US SOIL (called an Embassy, Consulate), or THEY would have died trying. And NO WHERE - were they found. WHY?
THAT boils down to a FALLACY in the State Department and the White House. You can't run or hide from this Democrats, sorry to burst your bubbles...
Sorry to bust your bubble Dennis Price, But the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group ARE supposed to provide security at American Embassies, AMERICAN CONSULATES, and other Official US Government Offices.
Specifically, The primary mission of the Marine Security Guard (MSG) is to provide internal security at designated U.S. diplomatic and consular facilities in order to prevent the compromise of classified material vital to the national security of the United States. So you can play along next time, here is the link - http://www.mcesg.marines.mil/
Here you go Will. This will give you insight you might never bother to research:
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=148929195129268&story_fbid=468136663208518
Actually, it's an interesting piece. You can take it or leave it but try to read it anyway. You might just learn something.
As always, there more to it then meets the eye. We suffer from having to deal with people with a "See Dick and Jane Run" idea of how it all ties together.
And you don't see a problem with " In coordination with the State Department, there was discussion about establishing a detachment in Tripoli sometime in the next five years." AND " Perimeter security is the responsibility of the host nation police/security forces.", What the hell about INTERNAL SECURITY?
Once the wall is breeched what then, huh? And what about the LAST communication from Sean Smith, via the internet, "A few hours earlier, Smith had posted, "assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures," sounds like a combination of a few things to me. LIKE:
1. Why in the hell was the local defense taking pictures instead of patrolling the compound perimeter.
2. Why in the hell, IF this was a "spontaneous" and unknown planned attack, was this perimeter security guard taking photos of a Consulate just a few HOURS prior to the attack? Don't you think even the stiffs on the ground KNEW something was up?
3. What in the hell WAS the Plan for security during those 5 years the State Department sat on its ass and ignoring the over 200 different security incidents happening withing miles of that consulate, and the direct threats, 13 of em to be exact, 6 months PRIOR to the attack?
4. Don't you find it ODD, the ENTIRE internal security apparatas of that CONSULATE was left to the devise of a handful of men, when THAT COUNTRY was still encountering LOYALISTS to an overthrown dictator that THIS COUNTRY helped dipose?
You don't have to be a Republican or a Democrat to be smart enough or dumb enough to believe this Sitting President FAILED. His Secretary of State FAILED. As a result of thier incompetence, miscalculation, oversight, or whatever little moniker you want to hang on it, 4 people are dead, 2 of which are MY FORMER BROTHERS IN ARMS, and THIS ADMINISTRATION instead of owning up to the eff up, has the balls to try and blame someone else.
Democrats sure are quick to Blame Bush for not doing something PRIOR to 9/11, but the sure as hell aren't willing to BLAME THIER SOCIALIST MESSIAH for this FUBAR now are they. But that's right, it's all about politics when it suits the Democrats isn't it. We'll WE aint buying it, and you shouldn't either.
Republicans or Democrats or even Independents should be FUMING over the desecration of our sovereign soil, and that is exactly what an embassy or a consulate is. NEVER should we leave our fates in the hands of a local fledgling, still fighting issurrection government, that has NOT even bothered to clean up thier own @!$%#. THAT is a failure of EPIC PROPORTIONS and there is NO WAY to kill the stink on that.
I did appreciate the link. It was an interesting read. But I am still left with the anger and I would be just as damned angry if God himself and blundered like this. And even then blunder is a serious understatement.
We wouldn't want you to "accidentally" lose them, now would we? As for the witness, I would suggest to LTC. Wood to submit his retirement ASAP less he wants his career to end after the meeting with the Democratic cockroaches, who will try to intimidate him into changing his story.
"Steven
AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION...
YES"
Ummm.......What question? I must of missed something since Steven B's post did not have one ? in it. He just reported a source and its contents NO personal opinion included.
Weak.........very, very weak.
IT'S SAD, that the DEMS are still trying to cover their a$$e$ on this terrorist attack. really it's the repubs fault for cutting the state dept budget.....Anyone knows you use your assets where you most need them....BUT NOT IN LYBIA..., cut in Ireland, Italy, somewhere where they actually LIKE US.. NO, Obama and Hillary cut security in a MUSLIM country where there was just a civil war and feelings for us are unknown at best.....EVEN AFTER THERE WAS AN ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF THE BRITISH AMBASSADOR AND TWO BOMBINGS AT THE AMERICAN EMBASSY THAT 'WE' NEVER ABOUT. The war on TERROR is far from over, NO MATTER WHAT OBAMA TELLS US.
Stayinformednow: Wow, I sure wish the media and the rest of us had your sources of information. You have evidence that Obama and the Sec of State cut security in a muslim country. And you have a quote of the President telling We the People that the war on terror is over?????
""We know the tragedy in Benghazi ended as it did," Issa said. “We know now that it was caused by a terrorist attack that was reasonably predictable to eventually happen somewhere in the world especially on Sept. 11. Requests for extensions for more security in Libya appear to have often been rejected.""
The same could be said of 9/11 yet Bush did nothing to stop that either right?
Bush fails to act on intelligence and terrorists crash planes into our buildings - on American soil - and kill thousands yet republicans hold him blameless.
Obama fails to stop the razzing of a consulate where 4 US citizens were killed and he's comitted treason?
LOL you people are clowns.
OBAMA QUOTE......'OSAMA BIN LINDEN IS DEAD and al qaeda is on he run.'.... Yeah...they ran right to the American embassy in Lybia and killed four americans. this was after two other attacked WE WERN'T TOLD ABOUT.
TESTIMONY TODAY IS THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP A 'LOW PROFILE OF SECURITY IN LYBIA."....
TH EAGEN............YOUR GUY LIED AND SO DIDN'T HILLARY.....
@mike there is a difference between the warning that somebody is going to attack America vs the warning that somebody is going to attack a specific location down to the address, its a little easier to prepare for...
not to mention the fact that the 9/11 anniversary was coming up
It's funny how the Obama Administration can't provide security for our ambassadors but Valerie Jarrett can have secret service agency covering her. Why is that she only an advisor?
Stayinformed:::: read my post # 2.17
It sums it up. The BO Dems are pure leftest LIBS at heart -
C-Span will re-air the hearings tonight at 7pm Ohio time.
Any decent American with 1/2 a brain & 1/2 a soul can see
how abhorrent this disgraceful Cover-UP is.... As to the LEFTEST
BO DEMS.....witness Chris Mathews......they are all alike.
President Clinton Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies so that the US was Blind and Deaf to the Events leading up to the 9/11 2001 Attacks. US Congressional 9/11 Committee Investigations, Findings and Recommendations. Former President Clinton saying, "I'm so sorry".
Any of you Republicans trying to use this tragedy for political gain are nothing but traitors to the United States.Pure and simple.
BU**SH**!!
Outing the CIA agent in charge of the group looking for WMD caused our assets in the mideast to disappear.
The people who flew the planes were under FBI surveillance. They even knew which strip clubs they liked best. All of the warnings never made it to bush/cheney, who were out to lunch having the longest vacation ever.
That was just like this time, where you republicons defunded embassy security by $459 Million and then pretend to be outraged when security is found to be lax.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Twist it and spin it anyway you want, HOWEVER, whose administration continued to lie about a video weeks AFTER THE FACTS CAME OUT? Blame Bush? Weak and pathetic and the Obama supporters are getting weaker and weaker along with their pathetic attempts at excuse making.
Frankly, if you have to make endless excuses for someone in office, don't you realize that the person in office is obviously a failure? Success doesn't need excuses, only failure needs excuses.
Issa
Well now, isn't he the most specific little guy around. Reasonably predicted that a terrorist attack could happen somewhere in the world on 9/11. This guy is a joke. If that's all they have they need to just go home. You conservatives want to say he was talking about Libya, nice try but no cigar.
Issa isn't in charge of the State Department. Issa isn't Commander in Chief. Hillary and Obama escaped your eagle eyes, didn't they? You doubt the facts and want to deflect from the 'its a video' lies? Have at it, most people are aghast that the murders happened in the first place, on 9-11 with absolutely no security even after repeated requests for beefed up security, advance warnings from Libya and Egypt and 48 hrs prior notice and you focus on Issa? Typical Obama supporter.
Mygirl
At least I do research and don't get my information from Rush, Hannity and Coulter. I actually read, as opposed to what ever it is that you do. You're just repeating what all the right wing rags are saying. You are nothing new and neither is what you say. Same old BS and still lies and BS.
Do all of us a favor and learn to read something besides National Inquirer.
BTW, Issa was running the inquiry. Try to keep up. Scheese!
Ambassador Stevens had asked for additional protection from Obama and Obama did nothing. Obama failed him.
Obama failed him? Obama KILLED him.
But let's get back to more important things. Romney wants to fire Bid Bird.
So when is Bush going to be tried for ignoring all the signs before 9-11?
There is no proof that Stevens asked for additional security after the first extension expired.
Oh C'mon get off it...Obama isn't directly responsible for the embassy debacle, nor was Bush responsible for 9/11. Grow up all of you. Running a government takes a lot of different people getting things done (or not get things done). I suppose it's Obama's fault the mailman dropped my mail off at my neighbor's house. Now Secretary Clinton got some explaining to do, the function and protection of embassies falls under her responsibilities. Secretary Clinton is directly responsible to the President and being a Cabinet position she has to answer to the Congress as well. The US Ambassador to the UN is going to have some explaining to do, either she out right lied or she herself was lied to by someone in the administration. This going to be very uncomfortable for the Obama administration.
Re-Elect
Maybe you should expand your horizons and pull your head out of your butt.
WASHINGTON — A State Department officer who worked in Libya has told congressional investigators that he requested more security for the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi months before it came under terrorist attack but that he received no reply from Washington, according to documents and interviews.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-security-20121010,0,1863893.story
Now since Nordstrom WORKED for Ambassador Stevens isn't that just like Stevens asking for more security himself? Would Nordstrom have to clear such a request with the Ambassador?
Yes there is , the have the interoffice memo`s of Steven`s staff asking for additional security .
If you BO DEMS really want proof watch the hearings on C-Span tonight.
Not that it will matter to you Occupy Wall Street "Wheres my dolla" anti Military
Blame America democRATS but the TRUTH is there if U chose to be honest & see it!
I do love calling U guys BO DEMS lol (sorry)
He failed US.
President Clinton Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies so that the US was Blind and Deaf to the Events leading up to the 9/11 2001 Attacks. US Congressional 9/11 Committee Investigations, Findings and Recommendations. Former President Clinton saying, "I'm so sorry".
When is President Obama as Commander In Chief going to be tried for Willing Violating the US Law Restricting His Presidential War Powers, 1973 War Powers Resolution (Act). President Clinton obeyed the US Law with his H.R.4655 with Congressional Appropriations that later became US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom. President Bush (43) obeyed the US Law with his US Law 2002 Iraqi War Resolution with Congressional Appropriations. What did President Obama have NOTHING, because he FAILED to notify US Congress (both Houses) 48 hours before the First US Military Actions, so that they could write a US Law and Appropriate Funds to cover his arse. So President Obama as Commaner In Chief Issued an Illegal Order to the US Military. And then started using Not Budgeted For Discretionary Spending to pay for everything including the Fuel, Bombs, Cruise Missiles for NATO. And the other Big Lie, "No Boots on the Ground" from US AFRICOM attached to President Obama's Own Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, since January.
When is President Obama going to be tried for Violating his own US Laws, President Obama's January 21, 2009, Patriot Acts that eliminated all US Constitutional Rights, Section on (NO) Material Support to Terrorist Organizations.
The Terrorist Organizations supported by President Obama to Overthrow Former US Ally President Gaddaffi as listed by SOS Clinton's US Department of State, aka the "Libyan Rebels": Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc.
The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group were those Islamic Jihadists killing US Military at Iraq. The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group is the New Government of Libya.
I know what is happening with LTC Woods since I have been in the hot seat many times before, he is covering his arse, because this Administration wanted to use him as the Politically Expedient Scapegoat. I know what this Administration will do they will attempt to discredit his testimony, personal attacks, veiled threats, etc.. Seems LTC Woods hired a good Lawyer that told him not to talk to the Democrats of this Administration and cooperate with those that will protect him the Republicans. What he needs to do is address the subjects I mentioned above.
Bull. You defunded the embassy security by $459 Million and now you are pretending to be outraged by the light security.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
And Bull to you as well mik. Dems, libtards and treehuggers have been bugging to have the military cut to Ethiopian Thin levels then get pissy when there aren't enough boots on the ground to defend our soil, then have the balls to turn around and talk about budget cuts to the State Department, when WE should have had pieces in place PRIOR to even opening that damned consulate. Talk about wag the dog.
"Look honey, we don't have any furnature, or a bed, but look I bought some flowers for the yard." The problem is libtards, some dog just walked into the yard and @!$%# all over your precious flower bed, and wiped its ass with the petals.
YOU DON'T OPEN AN EMBASSY WITHOUT PROTECTION. It is as simple as that. You DON'T PUT CRITICAL GOVERNMENT MATERIALS IN A WAR ZONE WITHOUT ADEQUATE FORCE PROTECTION. You Don't rely on a foreign government, who isn't even fully a damned government yet, to provide security for your diplomatic assets. It don't matter how the hell you try to spin it, the rinse cycle still isn't gonna was the sht off your clothes. THERE WERE EPIC FAILURES at the TOP and it cost people thier lives. And just as much as you people bitch about Bush, you now gotta wash your hands in the same dirty damned water.
I am not supporting a change in Administration because I think Romney is the right choice. I have to support him because I have seen the WRONG CHOICE from 2008... This administration is a cluster when it comes to security. Leon Panetta and the disarming of Marines at Camp Leatherneck for a photo op. Changing the rules of engagement to don't fire until fired upon. NO OUTRAGE over the Green on Blue attacks that are responsible for 15% of this years casualties, but lets apologize over burning a few books that had writing in them. Let's not DEMAND ACTION from Pakistan after a government official puts a bounty on an American Citizens head. Now this.
If any sitting president has shown thier need to hit the unemployment line, it's this clown.
This is bigger than watergate. This will seal the end for Obama and hand the presidency to Romney.
Bigger than Watergate. The Watergate conspiracy was the active attempt by the members of the Executive Branch, acting under the direct orders of President Nixon, to commit burglary, perjury, mail fraud, wire fraud, subversion of justice to name just a few things. Seven different CABINET members were indicted, tried and convicted.
The activities associated with the attack on Benghazi were, at the very worst, errors of judgement by the personnel in charge of the consulate security.
Turn off Fox, its starting to warp your thinking.
Mark
You are correct but the blind refuse to see. This President is the clueless man in the room and they still want to follow him. Not a red blooded American in their group.
drip err dirp
WASHINGTON — A State Department officer who worked in Libya has told congressional investigators that he requested more security for the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi months before it came under terrorist attack but that he received no reply from Washington, according to documents and interviews.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-security-20121010,0,1863893.story
Maybe you should watch the House Hearings on C-Span. Get an education.
Starting to warp? It's a fact that Fox News watchers know LESS about the news and world affairs than those who do not watch the news regularly. (Lehigh University study.)
If we could only permanently shut down the Ministry of Propaganda that is Fox News ... the organization that claims to be "fair and balanced." Rubbish...
It's pathetic that so many Americans (read Republicans) are willfully and blithely ignorant. But what can you expect from a country with educational rankings so low, and a Republican regime that wants to keep it that way.
Beware Americans ... you reap what you sow. What has the Republican House done for you over the past 2 years since the mid-terms? Zilch. And you claim this is all Obama's fault? Take some responsibility and stop passing the buck to Obama.
slodan: and how is that anything close to the active criminal activity that took place by for and at the direction of President Nixon ?
30 days from now the Republican party will be, again, trying to further cut money going to the State Department, that's change you can depend on.
dirp: That is a fact. That IS a fact.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
miklkit
Don't you realize that the Democratic Senate had to pass that Bill and that Obama had to sign that Bill before it became Law? FOOL!!
Don't try to sugarcoat the fact that you defunded embassy security which is a part of a much larger bill.
The Senate and Obama also signed the law giving Billionaires tax cuts so that unemployment benefits would continue for millions of Americans. This was due entirely to republicon hostage taking.
Why are you trying to defend your unAmerican republicons for slashing the embassy security budget by 1/5th?
slodon: you do realize that their loop is set and they won't pay attention to the actual hearings because, well, because they don't want facts. They just want to pretend that their guy in office is beyond reproach. Also, the liberal tactic is to ignore facts in evidence while repeating their demented mantra. It is a failing tactic since intelligent people realize the game, however, they persist because it's all they know how to do. Ignorance shouldn't be acknowleged when it is deliberately sought out and persisted in.
Whats funny is these same damned libtards are the ones calling for BUDGET CUTS and Increases in Taxes. So when programs get cut, it aint thier fault at all. It isn't thier fault that THEY don't want to support a Balanced Budget Amendment to make sure stupid sht like this don't happen. No, they just want stuff to magically appear and let 5 generations from now pay for it.
The hypocricy from Demtards is truly stiffling...
drip uh,ummm er dirp
Don't you remember this part of your post# 5.1??
I replied to that little piece of wisdom of yours
I'd like to think we have or will get the correct story, but I have very little faith that the press can do it, and even less faith that Congress can or will. Anyone who is a courtroom lawyer knows that courtrooms are not the best places to find or uncover the truth. They are adversarial arenas where versions of the truth are played out, not always complete, and not easy to interpret. Our polarized government has sadly taken on the worst aspects of the courtroom - it's not the truth that is important, but what can the jury be persuaded of.
Wm.-375815
We will never get the complete story because two different groups (right and Left) have too much to gain (or lose) to let all of the truth out. As much as I do not support President Obama, and think he needs to be replaced with pretty much anyone else, the true villain in this is the State Department. But, that isn't really unusual as they have made it a trend to screw up pretty much everything that they touch. Their lack of getting things right can be traced all the way back to 1805 and the First Barbary Wars.
In 1805, after William Eaton, the US Marines, and the Mercenaries had captured Derna with plans to do the same to Tripoli, the State Department represented by Tobias Leer made a Deal with the Pasha of Tripoli to end hostilities for a payment of about $60,000. We abandoned our our allies and sailed away only to have to come back 2 years later and do it again. 175 years later they were the ones that instructed the Marine Guards to keep their ammunition "locked up" at the embassy in Tehran on the orders of the Ambassador . A Marine guard is little use if his bullets are locked up. Are you seeing a pattern here?
The State Department is also the group that authorizes us to pay people to be our "Friends" (Pakistan for example). Nothing much ever changes in Washington
I was wondering how soon it would be B4 the BO DEMS blamed congress-
The BO DEMS at the hearings tried to do that as well...LOL
And of course Fox News is "liar liar pants on fire" My God these ppl
are like 5th graders! I for one am sick of the Children in the Dem party.
And I'm not talking about the voters! I'm talking about the ones in DC ~
Issa already admitted on television that he had no evidence against Holder. It was all smoke and mirrors.
It will be the same this time around too. You defunded embassy security by $459 Million and then pretend to be outraged when security fails.
How very patriotic of you.
POTUS BO: "the truth shall set you free..." Trust the American people to take bad news and still be able to make a decision as to who the next POTUS will be. However, never try to treat them like a mushroom by keeping them in the dark and feeding them manure.
Works for 47%.
I hear ya Jack. I never like getting lied to. Tell me the truth, let me deal with it and go on.
Then you will be pleased by this breath of fresh air.
The republicons defunded embassy security by $459 Million and are now complaining because there was not enough security. Why are they celebrating dead Americans?
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
I think it's sad that 4 americans are dead and this left sided website doesn't make this story FRONT PAGE NEWS! Obama is trying to cover this because it proves to the world that his foriegn policies are also poor! I'm worried for this country not because of Obama, but because this media outlet AND CNN are keeping American people in the dark about this president and his failures!
Doc - It was front page news when it happened. No story stays on the front page forever.
Like republican policy? Ignoring info whilst terrorists crash planes into our buildings on American soil and then starting a war with the wrong country? Yes. That worked wonderfully for Obama predecessor
So ... Bush's willful ignorance resulted in the deaths of over 3,000 souls, and you (Doc Ste) are demonizing Obama? And the country gave Bush a second term? Are you freaking kidding me?
Is it all all possible for Republicans (including Romney) to stop talking out of both sides of their mouths for just a couple of seconds? Puh-leeze!!!
Grandall, I think you exagerate or have very short memory. What is at issue here is that 9/11/01 warnings were about increased activity and warranted further attention but not immediate action as there was not specific details. However, 9/11/12 there were specific request for additional security and very specific details about demonstrations and pre-planned attacks with very specific targets. Instead of saying we don't know yet, the administration came out and pushed lie after lie about this unknown film being the root of it all. They continued the lie even after the president of Lybia blew their little cover story up.
The current administration has constantly been divisive and worked very hard to drive a wedge between the American people, while Jr, tried during the first term to bring people together under a common cause, second term not so much.
President Clinton Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies so that the US was Blind and Deaf to the Events leading up to the 9/11 2001 Attacks. US Congressional 9/11 Committee Investigations, Findings and Recommendations. Former President Clinton saying, "I'm so sorry".
Iraq: President Clinton's US Law H.R. 4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein. Without this US Law we would not have started attacking Iraq 2002 as Operation Hotel California after Operation Viking Hammer, and gone back to the comfort of US Military Installations at Germany.
Basic High School Civics and US Government the President's Job is to Enforce US Laws, and does not pick and chose which US Laws to enforce, especially if US Congress demands and Appropriates Funds (the only legitmate excuse for a US President not to enforce a US Law, is no funds). And yes, it was US Congress that demanded that we accomplish President Clinton's H.R.4655 as Operation Hotel California. With those of us with previous experience stating in writing our opposition, knowing that President Hussein was the Counterbalance to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, with us being threatened with charges of "Insubordination", and getting Letters of Reprimand; then conducting Operation Hotel California to the best of our abilities to survive.
Obama is talking about... BIG BIRD.
Priorities.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
You republicons defunded embassy security for two years by $459 Million and now you are surprised that security is weak? How very patriotic of you Kochsuckers.
You do realize how hypocritically stupid you look right? Claiming deflection from Obama then deflecting from Bush?
Substantiate or stfu - show me budgets and RIF's where the CIA was gutted. Same thing people said about Clinton gutting the armed forces yet his spending was on par with what Reagan spent.
MSNBC and CNN are sooo up the butt of the president! They want him to win so badly that they are keeping this huge story as low profile as they can. It's unethical what they are doing to the American people. This proves Obama has no power in foriegn policy. MSNBC is spinning this like it's a republican agenda, it's poitical. 4 AMERICANS are dead!!! Democrats and republicans are pissed about this. These two news stations are an embarrasement to this country!!
I so agree with you, this hearing has been going on since 12am and they barely shows in CNN and MSNBC. It's a disgrace.
And Fox News isn't SO FAR up the butt of Mitt Romney? Doc Ste ... what is your freaking point, if you have one?!
grandall
The freaking point is the news is in bed with the fool Obama. They put the puppet in office and they are trying to keep power by Lieing to the American people. The point is you clueless ones who defend this failed President at the cost of lives is pathetic and quite frankly treason. No difference between the Taliban and the mainstream press reporting what it wants its minions to think.
Then why isn't it front page news that you republicons defunded embassy security to the tune of $459 Million? Why is that not front page news?
Why did you cut security?????
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Keep repeating that silly mantra, the fact is that the marines aren't paid by those 'defunded' sources. Now, instead of attempting to deflect, why don't you go watch the hearings or are facts too disturbing to the narrative?
Ignore the advance warnings that were ignored, ignore how the State Department ignored Steven, then ignore the lies and coverups by the White House. Lenin called people who ignored facts in evidence useful idiots.
Mik, Republicans??
December 16, 2011 Roll call number 941 in the House On Agreeing to the Conference Report:
H R 2055 (Sec. 7087) Making appropriations for military construction, the Department of Veterans Affairs, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2012, and for other purposes:
Ayes: 296 (Democrat: 149; Republican: 147)
Nays: 121 (Democrat: 35; Republican: 86)
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/941
You know this scandal is big when the state runs hid it for a month, the cat's out of the bag now, later Obama.
Go Jimmy! Don't forget Obama lied to the world when he went before the UN and spoke about the video causing all of this!
Liberals like Liars for some reason...
Jimmy , I`m happy to see that someone in Philadelphia can see through the liberal media whitewash !
Here is the whitewash. Why did you patriots defund embassy security by $459 Million dollars? Why?
Now you are complaining about weak security? How very patriotic of you.
Darlin' that dog won't hunt, now keep repeating it if it somehow makes you happy, the rest of the folks realize the truth and repeating a mantra won't make the truth go away.
Mik, Are you suggesting that Republicans dictate to the State Department how to allocate their funds? Do you have ANY proof that "patriots" de-funded embassy security by $459 Million dollars? Darlin is right... that dog won't hunt.
December 16, 2011 Roll call number 941 in the House On Agreeing to the Conference Report:
H R 2055 (Sec. 7087) Making appropriations for military construction, the Department of Veterans Affairs, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2012, and for other purposes:
Ayes: 296 (Democrat: 149; Republican: 147)
Nays: 121 (Democrat: 35; Republican: 86)
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/941
Wow, Jimmy in philly found the cap key on his computer! Let's all give him a round of applause!
oooo bold face type. It MUST be true.
Ooooh, are you gonna whine some more ?
Go complain to your momma that they write mean things to you.
The "bumps in the road" comment was a response to the US supporting the emerging democratic governments in Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Tunesia.
jimmy in philly...damn man...right on brother. About time somebody stood up and said it like it is. Outgodamnstanding! Re-elect Obama oooooooh, upper case, I'm so impressed. Geez...if you can't argue the point, denigrate the font. Absolutely pseudo sophisticated as to be sophomoric and pedantic at the same time. And as for dirp...you want to back up your mouth sometime, I can accommodate you, it would be a pleasure to meet you.
Wow! Look at the real patriotic American! Tell me again why you defunded embassy security by $459 Million dollars. Tell me why you did this.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Hey milktit , how many times are you going to write the same false democratic narrative ?
Our "Commander and Chief" has failed miserably to protect American lives. The buck stops with him. He and his administration failed to even respond to this horrendous attack with appropriate strength. They instead choose to apologize for a YouTube video?
Obama is a weak and ineffective president. We are not safe with him in office. VOTE FOR ROMNEY.
That would be Bush. Get your head out of your arse. How many Americans were killed on US soil since Obama took office in a terrorist attack?...NONE! How many embassies were attacked between 2000 and 2008? Please tell us.
I guess that is why under Obama more terrorists have been taken out using drones and Osama is dead (not to mention many other high end terrorist leaders).
Your comment is as lame are your reasoning (and total lack of truthfulness).
ken -
And how many non-combatants have been taken out along with his claimed kills? You do realize that Pakistan is no against us due to the indiscriminate killing from usage of drones, don't you?
Tammy: you gotta wonder if Pakistan was ever really with us in the first place.
How did OBL stay in Pakistan for several years ?
With friends like that, you learn very quickly (if you are smart) why it may not be a good idea to "arm the rebels." Now Mitt Romney wants us to overtly arm the insurgents in Syria. I can see such an idea coming back to hurt us, kind of like Afghanistan with the Taliban.
Tammy-
When the terrorists hide among women and children the result is inevitable, sad but inevitable. You're also assuming Pakistan was really "with" us in the first place.
Caliope ... and just who gave the executive order to take out Osama bin Laden?
I'm so sick of Republicans talking out of both sides of their mouths. It's like a GD disease with them!
We've certainly had no 9/11 type disasters here on American soil during Obama's first term. Yes ... please take your head out of your ...
@ken-2532069
The first successful Predator drone strike in the Afghanistan theater was in 2003.
Your "Obama uses drones" argument is flawed due to the fact that the drone program is much more sophisticated today than it was during the majority of the Bush era - when it was still in its infancy.
Oh, yes. We are SO safe with hide in the sand Obama! Is that what he was doing at the debate, too? You would rather have a man who can't compose a coherent sentence without a teleprompter in his face as our "Commander and Chief"? THIS makes you feel safe?
Obama and his team KNEW our Libyan diplomats and team were not safe. But Obama and his administration were busy pretending they had accomplished Kumbaya in the Mid-East... so they ignored the dangers they had been warned about. Americans died because of their inaction. They should be ashamed. And so should Obama followers who fail to even admit the facts (just like the phony they support.)
Oh and the fact that additional funding was rejected by Republicans means nothing? I suppose if Obama had implemented an Executive Order to increase security funding Republicans would have gone ape-crap.
I feel sooooooooo sorry for Obama ... damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by the majority of Republicans. You just can't win against the PARTY OF NO. Republicans have ruined the United States of American. It used to be such a great country, before the current wave of conservative whack jobs started trying to take over.
America ... be careful who you vote for. What has the Republican House of Reps done for you for the past 4 years. Really ....
BTW Caliope ... can you share with the rest of us YOUR private access to the final FBI report? Thanks in advance.
Obama has his priorities. He's busy funding pet venture capital projects like Solyndra. He doesn't have time for things like protecting our embassy? Stop blaming republicans for Obama's incompetence.
Are you even listening to the hearings? They wanted to give the "appearance" of being understaffed. I didn't hear anyone say the couldn't afford the staffing. And if things weren't safe (as they weren't), the right thing to do was to pull everyone out. But they did not even do that. Too busy pretending Kumbaya instead.
Grandall,
You are backing a man who can't form a coherent sentence without a teleprompter. Obama is a man who would rather go to Las Vegas for a fundraiser upon hearing of this horrible attack than address the situation with integrity and in a presidential manner.
As for the clear and present danger, it has been well documented that the Libyan embassy was attacked repeatedly in the year prior to the main attack. You don't need an FBI report to know this. Just like we didn't need an FBI report to know this wasn't the work of an over zealous anti-YouTube demonstration.
So why did you republicons defund embassy security by $459 Million dollars if you knew there were going to be attacks????
Was it because you WANTED the attacks to happen???? How very patriotic of you.....
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
December 16, 2011 Roll call number 941 in the House On Agreeing to the Conference Report:
H R 2055 (Sec. 7087) Making appropriations for military construction, the Department of Veterans Affairs, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2012, and for other purposes:
Ayes: 296 (Democrat: 149; Republican: 147)
Nays: 121 (Democrat: 35; Republican: 86)
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/941
The truth is out. Obama let the ambassador be murdered. Obama plays with Big Bird and the bitches from The View and won't sit in the oval office and make intelligent decisions. Romney should ask Obama to resign at the next debate. He should tell Obama that America is tired of a lying incompetent womanizer.
Stupidity knows no boundaries.
It's a little hard to make intelligent decisions when you don't have enough intelligence to tell the difference between wants and needs.
Obama wanted to go on The View, but he needed to actually do his job.
Jamie ... stop watching news from the Ministry of Propaganda ... Fox News. It's a shame there are so many low-information, ignorant and uneducated voters like you in the US. It really makes the entire country look bad on the world stage.
just watching the hearings on cnn and fox white house spokeman says we are gathering the facts well guess what maybe the facts should have been gathered before spouting off that this was a demonstration about a movie the dems call all rep liars before and after debates well guess what our pres is a big liar also just look at some of his past speeches about changing washington from the inside and having transparency i hope the american public gives him a ticket back to chicago he and carter are about neck and neck when it comes to leadership
They are looking for the facts.... that would support their jumping the gun so to speak. They are not looking for truth, just something to support a supposition that was fed hook, line and stinker to the American public. Sad part is.... we're not biting.
Then chew on this. You defunded embassy security by $459 Million just so that when an attack happened you could scream about letting good Americans die.
You deliberately set up the security to fail.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Mik, was that de-funding done via a budget or a continuing resolution? If you budget is cut do you only pay 80% of your mortgage... 80% of your car note... 80% of your power bill... 80% of your other obligations or do you prioritize and make sure that your mortgage gets paid first? If the State Department could not afford to protect the staff in Benghazi then how could they find the funds to have a consulate in Benghazi at all? I thought that we liberated Libya.
Why don't you go back to getting your news from Fox then since that so-called news is always 100% accurate - NOT!!
That's why Mittens' would lose in the next few weeks. You're a silly person Jimmy.
Fox News is the right-wing Republican Ministry of Propaganda. Ever notice how Romney rarely treads outside of its protective envelope?
Jimmy in Philly. How refreshing to hear someone from this area who doesn't just wear a "Democratic" shirt to school. I am watching the hearings on C-Span, not Fox, not MSNBC. I find the lack of pundits give me less headaches. Anyone who is watching this has to be an idiot if they don't see a cover-up here. From the beginning, I could not understand why the Obama administration used the video excuse when all they HAD to say was that it was under investigation as a terrorist attack. I would have respected that while they sorted out the details. Instead, one lie begot another and here we are in a clusterf*%@!. Four American's are dead and it isn't because of a lack of funding. Watch Rep. Kerry's questioning alone, he brings up valid points, especially on the spending. Also, as to the idiot who pointed out no Americans have been killed on our soil since Obama has been in office, um, the relatives of the Ft. Hood victims and Brian Terry's family may beg to differ!
Yes, there is a conspiracy going on here. The republicons defunded embassy security by $459 Million dollars and then complain when embassy security is too weak. Do you smell the rats here?
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Blah, blah. blah republicans, now you've repeated that non started over and over and over. Interesting how you don't address the lies coming out of the White House. Are you afraid that there might just be a serious coverup and you can't believe that Obama would lie?
Jimmy
Whats your problem? Even a blind (using large bold letters so you can see) inept protester as you had no problem finding this article. This topic is actually old news now so move on, you will receive your answers soon enough.
Old news? You kidding me? It's just getting started.
If it was up to MSDNC this wouldn't even be news.
Get real here Ken!!
Old news?????......Shirley (yeah I meant that)...........you jest......or are you just a DNC zombie spreading the DNC demagoguery.........trust me.....this will not go away as fast as you (and a few others in the DEM party) would like....4 Americans defending their ground died needlessly.....and without any of the security assistance previously requested by our Libyan Ambassador!....Details to follow!
Jim, are you really that uneducated? Pre-tell, under what legal definition would this be treason? Put your money where your mouth is!
ken -
Aiding and abetting the murder of our ambassador by not doing his duty as President of the United States.
There! Is that clear enough for you?
Don't call me Shirley!
Actually what the Constitution says is :
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Now, since we have Tammy-311614 and jimmy in philly; who must have been present in the Whitehouse when the President supposedly did an overt act of treason, I guess we should just put up the gallows, right ? Isn't that what the Republican party has wanted for President Obama since day 1?
This is absolute TREASON!!! IF this is not reason to impeach the SOB in the WH I don't know what is! I hope Bozo is personally sued by every family member HE KILLED!
With the Right facts and proof I'm willing to call it treason Jimmy and Tammy, americans are dead, and the adminstration did little to protect them, But at the same time we have a collection of men who conspired to make Obama a one term President at the expense of the American Public fits the Bill of Treason as well..like I said I'm willing to agree to your view of Treason are you willing to Agree to mine?
Do you know what is treason? Defunding our embassy security by $459 Million dollars. Then grandstanding about how terrible it is when embassy security is too weak.
You republicons are sooo patriotic. When are you going to man up and admit you caused this with your penny pinching theatrics.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Soledad O'Brien had a great interview with one of the clueless teabaggers who voted against funding embassy security:
That same clueless teabagger [Jason Chaffetz] is the one holding hearings today on what went wrong.....
I'm with you skrekk. These worthless neocons don't understand for a minute how important it is for our future that we re-relect The One. When the consulate was under attack and burning and the ambassador went missing, our president needed his sleep. there was an important fund raiser the next day. His faithful minions were right in their efforts to not wake the fuhrer, uh I mean POTUS to tell him of the danger. Denying that Al Qaida was involved is just his way of sparing the US any bad news before we cast our votes for him. By arresting the video producer, he was granted an excellent chance to apologize once again for our freedoms. The dead Americans families should be proud and the dead Americans should feel honored to have died in an attempt to re-elect Pres O.
For the record, the spending for security in a ten year period went up from 200 million to over 2.2 Billion dollars.
The funding was there. In fact, the people were there too, and were pulled out of there not long before.
Pay attention, you might learn something!!
Dougler - Shrekk provided a link to Rep. Chaffetz saying that he cut the budget and then you say spending was increased. Links? And was Rep. Chaffetz wrong, he didn't cut the budget? Can you straighten Chaffetz's story up, because I see a large discrepancy here.
No, I'm not stating that the budget was increased or not decreased by Chaffetz. What I'm saying is they have a pretty large budget to begin with.
However, the budget has nothing to do with this, considering the fact that the personel was already there, and available in Tripoli. However, even after requests were made for more specifically in Benghazi, those extra personel were pulled out of Lybia all together.
This isn't the overlying issue at hand here. The issue really at hand is why, when all evidence within 24 hours of the incident pointed to the fact that this was a coordinated attack, did the Obama Administration lie to everyone around the world about what really happened? Are you really going to tell me that everyone knew except for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? come on now.
TheDougler: please provide the link to the statements made by either President Obama or Secretary of State Clinton where they lie about what is happening.
Good luck trying to find things that don't exist.
Stop watching Fox. An entertainment channel does not provide facts.
Ummm. dirp....have you not watched anything? You mean to tell me that you've never seen Obama or Hillary claim that this was because of a "youtube movie" ??
Have you not watched any tv in the last month?
first of all liberal jacka— — 's,what happened in libya and egypt and the rest of the middle east is the result of a imcompetent useless man in the white house.its true liberal jacka— — 's this is what happens when stupidity enters, in the white house,first of all do you stupid liberals really think obame cares what happened to our brave men in libya,if he did care then he would not have went to nevada for campaigning and he sure the hell would not have lied about it,remember stupid liberals that your bed partner backed the uprisings in libya and egypt and the rest of the middle east,very stupid dont you say liberal idiots.and liberals obame should be impeached and charged as a traitor and treasonist.thats true as well liberal idiots,do you liberal idiots remember leaking out classified information that put our brave men and woman in harms way or did the liberal idiots forget that,it was only a couple of mos. ago.liberal idiots do you remember the backdoor deals that this imcompetent man in the white house did with the russians.did you also forget the 2 brave men that died in fast and furious and obame made a exectutive order to protect his a— — and his puppit's a— — eric holder.do you forget this imcompetent man in the white house breaking bread with a known terorist in the muslum brotherhood.do you remember all the garbage obame has said with a very hateful man that hates america and little old white folk meaning all of the white population,his name being jeramia wright,maybe van jones,maybe george soros,and i can keep on going on and on.hey liberal white idiots how does it feel being used by the most useless imcompetent man in the white house since the peanut man.obame could never have been the man in the white house if it wasnt for 2 reasons and the first is john mccain ran a very bad campaign and the other is he needed stupid white liberals to vote for him ,if those 2 reasons didnt happen this very imcompetent man would have never been elected.so liberal idiots who is saying there is no teason no not true.there has been treason but the american people will not vent this man or they are called a racist,and for the media that is in bed with this very imcompetent man fox news is and always will be the best news organization out there,a vote for obame is a vote to destroy america as we know it
You mean all that freedom and democracy and elections?
You're right.....if a Republican had been in office our puppet dictators would still be in power in all those countries.
How can you say the money was there when you cut $459 Million out of the embassy security funding? That was close to 1/5th of the total budget!
The blood of the ambassador and his security staff is on your unAmerican hands.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
@miklkit.....Did you happen to watch the hearing? Everyone they were questioning stated that financing and personel were NOT an issue!!! Ms. Lamb in particular made that very clear!
I'll ask this too, dems have been screaming forever to cut defense spending, now they want to blame the republicans when something goes wrong? come on man.
"The use of local nationals as armed security or armed bodyguards is a routine practice in the Department, often to comply with local firearms regulations in the host nation. Local nationals provide us with continuity, local expertise, threat awareness, and language and cultural expertise. In my mind, the primary issue was maintaining U.S. security personnel in Libya (the SST and DS agents) for a sufficient amount of time to enable the full training and deployment, including mentorship, of the local bodyguard unit. Given the fragile security environment and the increasing size of the mission, post revised our initial bodyguard numbers upward from an initial number of 24 shortly after I departed post. It is my understanding that DS (Diplomatic Security) fully supported and funded this expansion."
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2012-10-09-NORDSTROM-Written-Statement-Final1.pdf
Romney was right on this one. Obama lied, Stevens and three others died.
Very sad, but very true.
Too bad the liberals want to just sweep this under the bus.
What we should have done is gone into Libya with helicopters and dropped in a platoon of soldiers and killed a bunch of rag heads and hung them on poles with pig guts stuffed into their ass...... we had better start teaching these rag heads they cant kill our people and get away with it..... let alone a president that blames America everytime a muslim kills on of our own.
Listen to the armchair generals.
Why did you cut Embassy security funding by $459 Million dollars??? You can not talk about what others did when you are not willing to back up those out there on the front lines.
Do you remember how bush/cheney sent our soldiers into the Iraq Abortion without body armor? Do you remember how bush/cheney outed the CIA agent in charge of the team looking for WMDs?
You party over country republicons are a bunch of pathetic swine.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
December 16, 2011 Roll call number 941 in the House On Agreeing to the Conference Report:
H R 2055 (Sec. 7087) Making appropriations for military construction, the Department of Veterans Affairs, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2012, and for other purposes:
Ayes: 296 (Democrat: 149; Republican: 147)
Nays: 121 (Democrat: 35; Republican: 86)
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/941
Some would call that bi-partisan!
another issa witch hunt. does anyone think you would be safe anywhere or anytime in the mideast?
jimmy - Watch the personal attacks, you lose credibility by doing it. And out of curiosity, so are you saying that the C3 onboard Air Force 1 was down and the President couldn't receive briefings? And how did you get the internal briefing schedule for the President and that he didn't receive the briefing?
Speaking of briefings.....when was the last time that Obama met with his own Economic Council?......uh......once back in January.............isn't the economy important too?
joe camp and the rest of the liberal idiots maybe all of you should go to the middle east and let these things happen to you and then maybe you wont be so stupid and call this a witch hunt,really liberals you surely are dumber then a stick
jimmy and soilder.
liberal is exactly what i am. i have been in wars and i know exactly what happens and none of this would have happened if your right wing fool bush did not steal the presidency. my view of conservative right wingers is that their lunatics much like you two. by the way there is no reason to bold face your text, you got nothing important to say from what i see
your not an ex soldier, your a traitor, just like obama...... 1st cav in viet nam for me, what war were you in? Obamas war on taxpayers? Or was it his war on Christians?
Why did you oh so patriotic republicons cut funding for embassy security by $459 Million dollars if you are so concerned about Americans overseas? Please explain yourself.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
@miklkit
House Democrats opened Wednesday’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing by attackingRepublicans for cuts to embassy security funding — cuts that only happened thanks to overwhelming support from House Democrats, including House Oversight Committee Ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings. In fact, more House Democrats – 149 of them — voted for the cuts than did House Republicans, of which 147 voted for them.
Cummings and the Democratic staff memo don’t mention that Democrats made those cuts into embassy security funding possible.
December 16, 2011 Roll call number 941 in the House On Agreeing to the Conference Report:
H R 2055 (Sec. 7087) Making appropriations for military construction, the Department of Veterans Affairs, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2012, and for other purposes:
Ayes: 296 (Democrat: 149; Republican: 147)
Nays: 121 (Democrat: 35; Republican: 86)
its a witchhunt becasue our pres causes them to be he needs to start being honest with the american people he has written a lot of checks with his mouth that his ass cant cash
Marine guards should be able to lock and load,and be able to use there weapons!!!
From: Cross, Alex Maj OLA, LA-41B
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:55 PM
To: Cross, Alex Maj OLA, LA-41B
Subject: Marines in Libya and Egypt
Ladies and Gentlemen-
The following information is provided regarding Marine involvement in the recent actions in Egypt and Libya:
Egypt:
-The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.
- The Marine Corps does not establish Rules of Engagement (ROE). Nonetheless, ROE is classified and release of that information would jeopardize the Marines and U.S. interests. Any further inquiry should be directed to the State Department, since Marine security guards report to the ambassador not to a military commander.
-As reported in open sources, approximately 2000 personnel were protesting outside the U.S. Embassy and six individuals entered Embassy grounds. The Marines quickly took control of these six individuals and subsequently turned them over to local security officials.
-There were no Marines injured in this, or other actions in Cairo.
-There are no Marine dependents in Cairo.
Libya:
-Contrary to open source reporting, there are no Marines currently stationed at the Embassy in Tripoli, or the Consulate in Benghazi.
-There were no Marines killed in the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi.
Yemen:
-The American Embassy in Sana'a, Yemen has a MCESG reinforced with a Marine security force. Due to operational security, we are not at liberty to provide additional details at this time.
Marine Corps Embassy Security Guards (MCESG):
Embassy security in Tripoli and the consulate in Benghazi fall under the Regional Security Officer with the State Department. The U.S. maintains over 285 diplomatic facilities worldwide. MCESG provides 152 security detachments provide internal security at designated U.S. diplomatic and consular facilities in order to prevent the compromise of classified material vital to the national security of the United States. Perimeter security is the responsibility of the host nation police/security forces. AMEMB Tripoli does not have a MCESG detachment. Typically, when a new embassy is established, it takes time to grow a new MCESG detachment. In coordination with the State Department, there was discussion about establishing a detachment in Tripoli sometime in the next five years. Overall, the plan is to grow the number of MCESG detachments worldwide to 173. The size of a MCESG detachment depends on the size of the Embassy and the security situation on the ground. They normally range anywhere from 5-20+ Marines in size. MCESG can, and have, provided security at Consulates as well as Embassies. For example, Marines guard the US Consulate in Hong Kong and, in the past, have guarded the US Consulate in addition to the Embassy in Haiti. The decision as to which consulates receive this augmented security lies with the State Department. State identifies its requirements and DOD/Marines work to provide it. A U.S. Ambassador serving in an unstable region can/will normally have a security detail provided by the State Departments Diplomatic Security Corps. State has agents specially trained to provide personal security details (similar to the Secret Service). Stephanie Hoostal at the State Liaison Office (B-330) can be reached at 6-4542 if you have questions specific to the State Dept.
Fleet Anti-Terrorism Support Team (FAST):
A FAST platoon deployed to Libya yesterday (12 Sep 12) to provide security for the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. Established in 1987, FAST platoons provide a limited-duration, expeditionary security force to protect vital naval and national assets. FAST companies maintain forward-deployed platoons at various naval commands around the globe and possess U.S.-based alert forces capable of rapidly responding to unforeseen contingencies worldwide. FAST is not designed to provide a permanent security force for installations. FAST platoons are primarily designed to conduct defensive combat operations, military security operations, and rear area security operations in response to approved requests in support of geographic combatant and fleet commanders. When deployed to reinforce embassies with existing MCESG detachments, FAST platoons will customarily provide an outer cordon of security inside the embassy compound, while MCESG Marines maintain security of the chancery proper, and host nation police/security forces provide an outer cordon of security beyond embassy grounds.
NOTE: Although a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) has traditionally been forward deployed to the Mediterranean (2.5 MEU forward deployment-1 x east coast MEU to the Med, 1 x west coast MEU to the Pacific, and the 31st MEU forward based out of Okinawa, Japan), there is currently no MEU presence in the Mediterranean. The Marine Corps currently maintains a 1.5 MEU presence forward deployed. We currently have the 24th MEU from the east coast deployed to the Persian Gulf, a west coast MEU is conducting work-ups for deployment, and the 31st MEU is operating from Okinawa.
Please see the attachments for more information on FAST or MCESG. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact your Marine Corps Liaison Office in RHOB-B324.
Respectfully,
Alex Cross, Maj USMC
Deputy Director, Marine Liaison Office
U.S. House of Representatives
B-324 Rayburn
thats how it use to be ,but not now obame has changed the rules of engagement
In the last month? Check the date on Major Cross's statement.
Good post Re Elect Obama2012!
Re Elect: All well and good, now. please explain why Stevens' requests for more security were ignored and denied? All the deflection on the planet will not explain that one properly. Also, please explain why the administration and all its minions lied for weeks about the reality of the events in Benghazi? How come none of you Obama supporters address the core issues? Dancing around those issues only makes one realize that Obama supporters are willfully blind.
For two weeks obama and his staff continued to lie to the American people, like Clinton her had his staff try and sell the lie until the truth could not be hidden any more.
Remember obama's great UN speech where he continued to claim the problem was an anti-Muslim film?
you can be assured who barack hussein obama is going to stick up for if there is an American involved and a muslim..... the muslims always will win.... apologize for America starts all over again.... I feel sorry for the next president that has to re arm our military and clean up the stinken mess that obama has created for us all over the world..... Peach thru strength, not appeasement
Get ready for more lies and bull @!$%# from hussein soon..... cant wait for the next debate!!
Tell me again how patriotic you are. Tell me why you defunded the embassy security by $459 Million dollars. Tell me why you set up our Americans to die.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
mik,
"The use of local nationals as armed security or armed bodyguards is a routine practice in the Department, often to comply with local firearms regulations in the host nation. Local nationals provide us with continuity, local expertise, threat awareness, and language and cultural expertise. In my mind, the primary issue was maintaining U.S. security personnel in Libya (the SST and DS agents) for a sufficient amount of time to enable the full training and deployment, including mentorship, of the local bodyguard unit. Given the fragile security environment and the increasing size of the mission, post revised our initial bodyguard numbers upward from an initial number of 24 shortly after I departed post. It is my understanding that DS (Diplomatic Security) fully supported and funded this expansion."
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2012-10-09-NORDSTROM-Written-Statement-Final1.pdf
Jimmy
The truth is out, so stop your meaningless rambling lies. Steven was NOT DRUG THROUGH THE STREETS, he was NOT RAPED! He was removed from the building by actual Libyian civilians and taken to hospital, so stop the hate filled rhetoric! Al Jazeera TV played the video and interpreted what was all said while the people were trying to save Steven. YOUR VERSION can be found on the Taliban websites, which makes me wonder where are you from and is your first name Muhammad?
Jimmy your volume is overriding anything you might have to say. Right, wrong, or indifferent. I look at the name and skip it.
I thought it was Jimmy......who knew?
Stevens was not shot or raped.
The "bumps in the road" comment was a response to a question about supporting the emerging democratic governments in Egypt, Libya, Tunesia and Yemen.
Sorry Jimmy in philly, but the Libya incident, as tragic as it is, PALES in comparison to the loss of life experienced on 9/11, when we had a REPUBLICAN president and administration in charge. Warnings were received and not acted on prior to THAT attack. Did you and other Repubs demand in response that Bush be booted out of office? I seriously doubt it, hypocrite, and I don't recall Democrats demanding it either.
Ken -
Evidently you missed the update that proves that Obama lied. I guess that you think he 'evolved' on the issue.
The truth is that he was AWOL.
Re-Elect he was raped and drug thru the streets naked! Maybe you need to get out of your parents basement and watch the real news!
Well Said Jimmy!!!! Thank you for your service. Where is the US going after Libya?!!! Bozo the clown is too busy talking about big bird that's why. What a disgrace of all time. He makes me absolutely SICK TO MY STOMACH!!!!!!!
The Murder of Ambassador Stevens was intentional, planned, and executed by a well organized Military force.
All Military Operations need intel. The Intel on Ambassador Stevens movements could only have come from the White House and State Department.
The White House and State Department knew what the outcome would be on the anniversity of 911 and especially with their Intel of the Attack and the Begging for more Security by the Ambassador himself. Who actually gave the Intel on Ambassador Stevens to the Terrorists??
Valarie Jarrett? She is Obama's main Advisor. Huma Weiner, she is Hillary's main Advisor. Both have direct connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban. Did they conspire to convince Obama and Hillary NOT to increase Security. Valarie Jarrett born in Iran and educated by Frank Marshal Davis and her father Vernan Jarrett, extreme Communists is Obama's most trusted Advisor. Huma Weiner, directly connected to the Family of President Morsi, Muslim Brotherhood President, of Egypt.
Why is that important? The control of Libya is done by people who reject the Muslim Brotherhood. This was engineered by years of hard work by Chris Stevens, and then Ambassador Stevens.
Ambassador Stevens knew and opposed Obama and Hillary's support of President Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood President of Egypt. Due to Ambassador Stevens, the Muslim Brotherhood/Taliban/Al Qaeda could not get into the Government of Libya.
Solution: Ambassador Stevens had to DIE. Ambassador Steven was set up to be killed by decisions and actions of Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. There is no other explanation. unless:
1. Do you believe that Obama and Hillary are STUPID? no
2. Do you believe our Intelligence Agencies are completely worthless? no
3. Do you believe that any reasonable person would have expected Americans and/or American Embassies would be in increased danger on the anniversery of 911? yes
4. Why did Obama and Hillary deny Security for Ambassador Stevens and actually systematically withdraw Security from Ambassador Stevens in the months leading up to 911, when attacks were increasing on Embassis and Consulates??
5. Would you agree that Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton is going to have to ANSWER for this Crime?
Sheryl, you would believe reports from Arab news organizations beore you would listen to what really happened? Google the subject and read the reports.
The ambassador's body was transported to a hospital where the doctors tried to save him. The purported photos show the ambassador being carried, not dragged.
What does that make you, Sheryl?
Why do you want him raped and drug through the streets when it's been proven he was not? Sounds like some people here have a weird sexual fixation....sick!
The Examiner reported that he was raped before he was murdered. People are not sick, but they are disgusted by Liberal liars. Hope to minimize the damage before the elections? Unfortunately for Obama this man died after requesting for more security, but was denied by the administration. We need to protect American's serving abroad...
There is your biggest problem. You actually believe the examiner!
Can you please explain why you defunded the embassy security by $459Million dollars? Please tell me why you left embassy security so weak. Did you do it deliberately so that you could shout out about how weak others are?
How very patriotic of you to deliberately set up Americans to be killed.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
jimmy in philly, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor. Do better.