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This Sept. 27 courtroom sketch shows Mark Basseley Youssef, right, talking with his attorney Steven Seiden in court. Youssef was behind an anti-Muslim film that sparked violence in the Middle East.
Updated at 5:44 p.m. ET: LOS ANGELES -- A California man who was behind an anti-Muslim film that sparked violent protests in the Middle East denied on Wednesday he violated his probation stemming from a 2010 bank fraud conviction.
U.S. District Judge Christina Snyder ruled that Mark Basseley Youssef will remain in custody and scheduled an evidentiary hearing for Nov. 9.
Youssef, 55, has been in a federal detention center since Sept. 28 after he was arrested for eight probation violations and deemed a flight risk by another judge. Prosecutors said Youssef lied to his probation officers about his real name and used aliases.
Youssef answered "deny" eight times when the judge asked him to respond to the allegations, which include lying to the probation officer about his role in the making of the controversial 13-minute "Innocence of Muslims" movie clip.
Youssef fled his home in the Los Angeles suburb of Cerritos and went into hiding when violence erupted in Egypt on Sept. 11 over the trailer of "Innocence of Muslims" that was posted on YouTube. The trailer depicts Mohammad as a religious fraud, womanizer and pedophile.
The unrest spread, killing dozens, and enraged Muslims have demanded severe punishment for Youssef, with a Pakistani cabinet minister offering $100,000 to anyone who kills him. The violence coincided with a separate attack on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya.
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Youssef's attorney, Steven Seiden, asked the court during Wednesday's brief hearing that his client be taken out of protective custody at the federal prison and released into the general population. Snyder ordered the prosecutor to meet with personnel at the federal Bureau of Prisons to determine whether that can be done, Southern California Public Radio reported.
"My client was not the cause of the violence in the Middle East," Seiden said after Wednesday's hearing. "Clearly, it was pre-planned and it was just an excuse and a trigger point to have more violence."
A judge will decide whether or not Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the producer behind the 'Innocence of Muslims' film, violated the terms of his 2010 conviction on bank fraud charges. NBC's Savannah Guthrie reports.
Youssef, a Christian originally from Egypt, was convicted of bank fraud in 2010 and sentenced to 21 months in prison. After he was freed, he was barred from using computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer. He also wasn't supposed to use any name other than his true legal name without the prior written approval of his probation officer.
"It will be interesting to see what the judge does and what the reaction is around the world,'' Stan Goldman, a Loyola Law School professor, told Reuters.
Goldman said attorneys for Youssef could argue the terms of his 2011 release from prison did not apply directly to his recent activities, in which people associated with the film have said he misrepresented himself.
"It's not exactly like an armed robber on probation, getting caught with an automatic weapon in his possession. It's a little more technical,'' Goldman said.
At least three names have been associated with Youssef since the film trailer surfaced -- Sam Bacile, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula and Youssef.
Court documents show Youssef legally changed his name from Nakoula in 2002, but he never told federal authorities while he was being prosecuted for check fraud. Orange County Superior Court documents show he wanted the change because he believed Nakoula sounded like a girl's name.
Youssef sought a passport in his new name but still had a California driver's license as Nakoula, authorities said.
Authorities said Youssef used more than a dozen aliases and opened about 60 bank accounts and had more than 600 credit and debit cards to conduct the check fraud scheme.
Bacile was the name attached to the YouTube account that posted the video.
The probation issues were the latest of Youssef's legal woes. Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress who says she was duped into appearing in the anti-Islam film, has sued him, identifying him as the film's producer. Garcia also named YouTube and its parent company Google as defendants.
Google has refused to remove the film from YouTube, despite pressure from the White House and others, though the company has blocked the trailer in Egypt, Libya and other Muslim countries.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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A California man who was behind an anti-Muslim film that sparked violence in the Middle East.....
Why is this man in prison? His civil rights are being violated. He broke no law with regard to the film he made. Why does the media continue to perpetuate the lie that the violence was the result of the film, and not the fact it was a planned orchestrated event.
While I agree with the sentiment, he did in fact violate the conditions of his parole. 1-Using a computer and 2-using fictious names (even though one is/was his real name)
Slap his wrists and send him on his way.
READ THE ARTICLE. He's in prison because one of his probation requirements was to stay off the internet.
Twitter has record of his account being used.
His imprisonment has nothing to do with the film.
Did you even read the article? This slimy parasite is exactly where he should be.
Read past the headline... Might be difficult but you will know what it is all about.
Nevertheless I support completely your complete defense of the first amendment. Do you defend it as well when the freedom of expression goes against what you believe in?
RamFla--don't ask people to READ, for heaven's sake! They might LEARN something!
Additionally burdening the comments section here is that people are going off without reading other news sources on this man, which provided additional information about his felony convictions and prison time and pseudonym usage and so on. But, again, that would require people to read more... we can't have that!
Let him loose and I don't want one nickel of my tax dollars protecting this worthless gargabe. Yes he has freedom of speech, he also can take responsibility for his actions. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you need to. This guy is a con man and his ability and right to stay in this country should be reviewed. Send him back to Egypt.
The dumb ass is locked up because he attracted attention to himself as a result of the film and was found to be in violation of his parole/probation as he used fake names and used the internet, or so it seems. when placed on parole/probation you are given a list of rules, if you violate the rules and get caught back to prison you go; no 1st amendment issues involved.
2 major problems here.
1. He should have served a very very long time in prison after being caught for his original crimes.Not 21 months but maybe 21 years for his crimes.And then there should have been serious considerations as to revoking his "rights" to stay in the US.
2. This is a government "witch hunt" to continue to perpetrate the lie that this poor quality trash called a video was responsible for the attacks that led to the deaths of 4 americans. This is an attempt to deny that it was an attack against the US and deny it was terrorism
He is in prison because the apologetic US government wanted to show middle easterners that we have arrested the BAD guy (blasphemer of their oh-so-delicate religion)! Parole violation, my a$$. Once the govt decides to arrest someone you are done for! They can arrest even for jay walking!! See Assange?
HardtoStarBoard:
Agreed. I don't understand why this guy is still in prison. I believe his story!
I do not believe the US Government's story, either---They picked him up in the middle of the night and arrested him--just like the KGB and other Police in Communist Countries--what IS his story re: the Probation, and the arrest? They should let him go---or is he being kept in jail for his own Safety, since there is a bounty on his head by the Terrorists?
Sorry, there is Freedom of Speech in America. We are losing it with what seems a turn in Government Freedoms. Arrested?; kept in Jail for the sole purpose of keeping Obama's explanation of how the Libyan Massacre happened. The "Killer's"; not called Terrorists.
The 9/11 day of the killings was premeditated by Al-Qaeda, and/or other Terrorist Groups. There is 100 per proof it was not started by a Protest, of which the US Government claims. Hillary Clinton, and UN Ambassador Rice---Rice appeared 5 times on weekend shows claiming it definitely was the "Film" that started the Death Trap in Libya's American Consulate.
We all know what the real truth is, is. There is something smelly about all of this. Is the guy who was picked up in cahoots with the Government's Cover up---
Americans will never know the real truth behind this mess of lies from either side. Lying to Americans is definitely underestimating the intelligence of the average person who lives here..
The embassy attack by film protesters was Obama, Hillary and State Department lies and propaganda. It is ancient history and duly proven. Why MSNBC do you insist on falsification?
The producer of "Innocence of Muslims" did nothing wrong to be in prison.
Are we in some one-way traffic barbaric and beastly Sunni Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE or some Muslim nation?
Freedom of expression is a basic right in a functional democracy.
CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT READ THE ARTICLE?!? OR DO OUTSIDE RESEARCH?!?
This man is a CONVICTED FELON who VIOLATED PAROLE by using pseudonyms and being on the INTERNET without permission of his parole officer.
Yes, he DID do something wrong to be back in prison! In fact, he did TWO things wrong!
Jesus! Come on, already, people! EDUCATE YOURSELVES!
You're jumping to erroneous conclusions and blathering on about freedom of speech without actually knowing ANYTHING about the case! "Freedom of expression" and "freedom of speech" ARE NOT THE DAMNED ISSUE HERE AND YOU'RE A FOOL FOR FOR NOT KNOWING THAT!
How many of you would be okay if this was a felon that had shot up people to get in to prison, and then he got out and violated parole?
A felon is a felon. He broke probation. Twitter has at least two records of him using Sam Bacile on a Twitter account.
This con man should produce a film titled "Innocence of bank fraud conviction". A$$wipe.
StandUPJokeOff:
The question is why did the US Government use this particular person as the scapegoat for their lies about the Coverup of the bombing of the Libyan Consulate. Numerous times, Security was asked for to protect particular people in Libya, and the Consulate from danger.
Do we really know what his "Criminal Record is"; we've been told so many times 'White lies"; (non racial; quote) no one believes anything anymore.
This "guy" is still in Prison---Americans need to see his Criminal Record, and the ones for pickup for violating Parole to put him in jail---no trail of paperwork again.
What is the real truth? The Media lends to protecting the WH.
Americans must assume he was used as a front for the Disaster in Libya---therefore proving him innocent by our own opinion---we have nothing to go on, unless they are keeping him there for his own safety.
It was the MEDIA that laid blame on this guy LONG before the U.S. government said anything about it. The MEDIA is the one that immediately picked up on the film-is-to-blame angle.
That probation is serious stuff. Just ask Lindsey Lohan.
OK... the administration need their pound of flesh.
As he didn't perpetrate any "fraud" or try to entice others into investing in his film, his parole violations are minor.
Give him the slap on the wrist and send him on his way. It's cheaper than locking him up and feeding him.
A parole violation for a CONVICTED FELON is still a parole violation.
If the man had shot several people and been released ten years later on parole, would you be so blasé about the idea of him violating his probation? He committed a crime and was sent to federal prison. One of the requirements for atoning for that crime is to do as you are told under the terms of your probation. This man violated those terms by going onto the internet and using pseudonyms ("Sam Bacile") while making his POS "film." He basically asked to be put back in prison.
You go ahead and fly that flag, but I for one want to see our justice system dole out due punishment to those guilty of felonies.
OK... put him behind bars. Maybe he can share a cell with Blago.
It's old news and is nothing more than another attempt by NBC to deflect any and all attention from Obama and hsi administrations complete failure at securing the Lybian Consulate.
It's just NEWS. It's being covered by EVERYONE, even Fox News. News agencies don't care who is interested in seeing what's at the top of the page.
Let go the anger, already. If any blame for securing the LIBYAN Consulate needs to be doled out, then we need to look back to Reagan--who went and bombed Libya in 1986 and started the anti-American tirades over there which continue to this day. Not to mention: "President George W. Bush signed an executive order restoring the Libyan government's immunity from terror-related lawsuits and dismissing all of the pending compensation cases in the United States" after Libya demanded $1.5 billion to pay settlements for various bombings including Lockerbie.
In short? Reagan attacked Libya in retaliation for Libyan bombings, George Bush cleared the way for them to be immune from future terror lawsuits... and you're trying to blame Obama for something that happened twenty-odd years ago.
If freedom of expression is limited in a democracy, then Muslims are not fit to live in democracies.
Any way most of the mosques in non-Muslim world are funded by the seventh century barbaric and beastly Sunni Saudi & co. They preach extremist variety of Islam like Salaffi, Wahhabi and others.
They have become hate preaching and killer training centers all over the world.
Saudi Arabia does not permit Bible, churches and other non-Islamic religious places of worship.
Why should we permit their Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques?
Let there be curbs on freedom of religion for Muslims in non-Muslim nations. Most deserved to be closed right away!
Standupjokeoff............wow if we had to put everyone who has violated their parole back in jail would not have enough cells. Making a film and putting on You tube hardly could be considered a violation of the terms of his parole. I guess that if he committed mail fraud you would have him in jail for receiving junk mail. Do you really think that this guy would have been jailed if the President of the United States hadn't used his video as an excuse for his own incompetency?
"and you're trying to blame Obama for something that happened twenty-odd years ago."
And you're trying to blame events that happen TODAY, and could have been prevented TODAY, by the administration we have TODAY, on what a dead man did 26 years ago?
And you're equating bank fraud with murder? They're both felony offenses, but I'd much rather have the bank fraudster out on parole than the murderer. They may both be felons, but nope, they're NOT the same.
I agree that parole violators should be held accountable, but can't help but believe that the only reason this guy is being prosecuted this hard, and at this time, is to appease those oh-so-delicate and easily offended little Islamists. If that is true, then yes it HAS become an issue of freedom of speech.
Standupjokeoff, methinks you should change your handle to standupjErkoff.
Let me guess--you're one of those immature people that uses phrases like Mittens or Obummer, because you don't know how to deal with a name (real or screen) when it's given to you.
Very mature.
Can I just say that even if the tragedy that occurred was planned... as it, indeed, seems to have been... by NO means did this man have to foster additional hatred for Americans by insulting a sacred religious figure belonging to the second-biggest religion on the planet?
His "movie" (created through lies and deceptive practices to the cast and crew, which premiered in Holllywood to a grand audience of ten people) provided a much-desired excuse to incite violence, and the rioting and deaths that sprang up elsewhere would not have occurred on such a worldwide scale (i.e. Australia) if not for his input. He lit the match for that particular candle.
Yet the only thing America can do for giving us yet another black eye is to nail him (rightfully so) on parole violation.
The man is a naturalized citizen who has been in prison three times; he is simply bad news. When the rioting broke out and his film was tied to it, he acted like a COWARD. He ran and hid, as did his cohorts in the filmmaking process. A man who strongly believes something--in this case, that Islam is evil and that the "truth" as he sees it of Mohammad must be exposed--will NOT be thwarted by adversarial activity. This guy lost all his pseudo-courage when his film somehow slipped out of his control (probably from his own efforts!), was translated and made its way into the Muslim community.
You're all for him accepting his responsibility but seem to excuse the Islamists from their responsibility to not act like murdering, rioting fools. Hmm.
Do you react so indignantly when people insult the sacred religious figure belonging to THE largest religion on the planet, as Mapplethorpe did with his Christ In Piss painting? I thought not.
So people in America should not be allowed to say something they believe is truth because irrational, bigoted, uneducated people half way across the globe may react violently? Anyone who believes that is the coward.
Who gave him the money to pay the actors and actresses? Who was the money behind him, is what we need to be finding out, just before the elections!
That's an interesting question. Following the money always clears the fog. Here's what I find damn peculiar. He says his film was not the trigger and that the assault on the embassy was planned.
Yes, apparently it was. I think it was definitely Al-Quida. Which begs the questions:
Did ALQ know the film was going to be released or did they see it and entice a protest and then strike at the right time?
Are they on the ball enough to quickly take advantage of the impending protests?
Or and this is out there, Did ALQ fund the film, time it's release and then attack the Embassy under cover of the protestors?
What is the connection between this movie and the ALQ attack on the embassy?
I don't believe in coincidences. There is way more to this story.
The man is nothing more than a scapegoat for the obama menustration. Trying to cover up obama's failures in Libya this guy became targeted to take the fall. Makes you fell nice that the FBI was called in to handle a State charge.
Oh, get over it. This had nothing to do with Obama.
That's like trying to blame Obama for the thousands of people that are going to be laid off at Cummins--which is a PRIVATE COMPANY making its own financial decisions independent of the U.S. Government, and based on the global economic situation.
The release of "Innocence of Muslims" was the act of a SELFISH, SELF-CENTERED, SELF-IMPORTANT convicted felon who allegedly wanted to make a difference in the beliefs of Muslims and ended up producing a crappy little movie that was a mockery to filmmaking, never mind towards a religion. As if someone who was born and raised in Islam, and whose entire culture is wrapped up in that religion and that culture, was suddenly going to change their mind after seeing his lousy film? Pure ego, if that's what he expected to happen.
I know it's tempting to blame everything on Obama but lay the hell off, already! Jesus. The "blame Obama for everything" rhetoric is getting REALLY stale, already!
StandUpJokeOff
The other thing that's getting really old is the Obama walks on water rhetoric.
I'd really like to see him actually admit JUST ONCE that he screwed up and everything that happens ISN'T the fault of someone or something else..... Bush, tsunami, high altitudes making him unable to debate...
Here you go, "I'm sorry that not all of my campaign promises were achieved. I was obstructed at every corner. It truly baffles me that bipartisan legislation is voted against by the very GOPers that helped author and support it. Come vote time, they all choked."
"And I'm sorry that the GOP's first priority was to see me fail regardless of the cost to you."
There how's that?
Oh, LJ, nobody wants to hear that the President of the United States might have been hamstrung by elected officials... thereby crippling the country as a whole just to get one man they don't like out of office!
REAL Americans stand by one another. The Republican party, by rejecting Obama's jobs bill and then turning around the very next week and complaining YET AGAIN about the jobs situation, are not real Americans.
And StandUp, they're not Republicans. I am convinced that the GOP has been taken over (infested) by aliens, otherwise known as Right Wing Fundamentalists.
Modern day Body Snatchers. LOL
With that, I agree. The traditional Republican Party has all but died out. What has arisen is a disgrace to what real Republicans are. There's a reason why the Republican party has dominated national elections in American history, but now what's happening is it's all becoming about God and "look out for yourself" rather than respecting diversity (those who believe in different interpretations of God, or none at all) and looking out for the good of the country as a whole.
Here is a thought, I look at some of these extremist and I have to wonder, being a Buddhist and all, am I seeing reincarnated characters from different times in History?
Prohibitionists, Puritans, witch burners, tyrants, and the public, so like the Roman masses.
Everything of course, adapted to modern times but still a recognizable theme.
And as human beings, you'd think we'd be able to look into our history and see those patterns reflected today... and head off any dangerous extremists as a result of that... but, no.
This is an awesome conversation you two are participating in with each other. LJ, you make a very interesting point about reincarnated characters from different times in History. There does seem to be some parallels there that cannot be denied. I would also agree with you StandUp when you say that the traditional Republican party has all but died. It is quite evident when reading the many comments on these articles. The comments are for the most part not of any moderate Republicans, that is for sure. An extreme invasion has infiltrated the party and those moderates within the party have no power to diffuse it. They are being steamrolled and pushed out by the likes of Ryan, Cantor, Prince, McCarthy, etc. I am currently reading, "The New New Deal" by Michael Grunwald, and I have to say it is a very enlightening look at President Obama's Recovery Act legislation, or better known as the stimulus. If you want to get a good look at just what the Republicans did(and continue to do today on a daily basis in regards to governing) to try and defeat that bill at every turn and demonize it on a daily basis, either buy it or get it at your local library. What the Recovery Act is designed to do was to stop the short term bleeding, but to also build for the future. It is taking me a bit of time to read it as it is quite complex, and I am not well versed in economics or the politics as well as I'd like to be, so I am reading it word for word, can't skim over even one line! Anyway, I do highly recommend it. Peace.
Wag the dog.
Why doesn't this guy just pull the race card and walk away? Where is Jessie, Al, and the gang when you need them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsIqjg3VkrE
Amazing how Republicans like laws that benefit their causes such as laws that limit a persons rights if you are a minority and deny the use of laws that go against their own personal hatred and intolerance.
Agreed, I would add to your word "amazing", the descriptor, arrogant.
Wow, I watched that torturous trailer. Bizarre. Pretty childish, however the not so subtle remarks are akin to what the extreme anti Muslim posters on these vines say.
It has a cheap Monty Python quality to it. It's pretty tacky all in all.
Anti Muslim. Anti Gay. Anti Women's Rights. Anti Minority. Anti Helping the Poor. Anti Tax the Elite. Anti-SS and Medicare. Anti Universal Health Care. Anti sick people. Anti Girl Scouts. Anti Education. Anti Facts. Anti Truth. Anti Freedom and Rights. Anti Civil Rights.
What a ticket to run on Republicans! Glad I'm anti Republican.
This pretty much sums up the present state of the GOP.
Horse Feathers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cry-4pyy8
*wanders off whistling* "Whatever it is, I'm against it..."
If you check your fact you will find that your article is a bunch of lies. Republician give more money to charity, the rich are already taxed at a high rate. The demcrats through history have be anti civil rights. Check your facts. The republicians have always stood for civil rights. The poor should be taught how to make money. We cant afford to keep people they're entire life. You sure pulled alot of bs out from somewhere.
Check YOUR facts. More Republican "Red" states require government assistance than Democrat "blue" states. It if makes it easier on you, then they color-code maps of the U.S. to prove that.
Your own poor are the ones that need to be taught how to make money! Red states are the ones with the highest percentages of people on food stamps, welfare and Social Security / Medicare / Medicaid. And yet at the same time, all they seem to do is complain about people who rely on "the system." Hypocrisy at its finest!
Republican do like to give wellfare....to corporations, the elite and big oil.
Creating chaos in other nations is an art of diplomacy. We should make more of these movies, degrading Islam and Muhammad. Muslims are governed by passion very rarely by reason, and those whose passions run faster than the fastest marathon runner in Olympic can be destroyed with such movies. The more such videos we load on U-Tube, the more destruction, death, anarchy and chaos we will produce in Muslim nations. Their self destruction will be our victory. Our videos will produce more effect and destruction than by our actual weapons. Why go to war with idiots, when we could destroy them through internet and then whatever is left of these nations, we could destroy them through wars.? We shouldn't stop these videos but make them more. Our little investment can bring all Muslim nations to fall.
As the Republican Party crosses the line into Neo-Fascism. Take note of the message here in this post. Spread more hatred and intolerance. It's the Neo-Fascist way. I'm sure you can find instructions on Ovais' ideas in Hitler's Mien Kampf.
Indeed it is in there, I read it. It's the Brown Shoe strategy. Interestingly enough, the thugs Hitler recruited into the Third Reich are very similar to the thugs in the Taliban.
Republican leaders never hated the Taliban, they envy them.
Having absolute control over people by invoking a political, religious and psychological stranglehold? How could they NOT envy them?
You don't know Islam and the Muslims. Islam is a religion of the Devil and its followers are snakes. If we don't stop the poison of Islam, they will destroy the Western civilization. Any religion which tells its followers to kill non-believers has to be an evil. Its time for the West to solve the Muslim problem for good.
And yet Christianity has ALSO been called "the Devil's religion." Certainly, more countries on this planet have felt the sting of Christian influence than that of Muslim influence. Entire indigenous populations were wiped out by missionaries who brought diseases to them, and "converted" those people away from centuries of their former religion, obliterating those cultures. Armies marched in to countries, under the name of God and King and Country, to eliminate whoever they designated as enemies. The poison of Christianity has tainted far more wells in human history, and it's only been within the past several hundred years that Christians have truly taken Christ's teachings to heart... and even that's been unsuccessful in some cases as private "cults" operate under the Christian banner to do as they wish.
SUJO get over yourself already, we heard ya. Some people just aren't believing that all of the convenient coincidences are really all coincidences. You are anti Semitic, anti-christian and we get that.
But you need to remember as you make your quotes above, the exact same goes for every religion in history including satanism and voodoo.
I'm Catholic five generations back, if you must know, and we had Jewish roots before that, so STOP BEING A LABELIST. You have no right to label me anti-anything. That is an insult, that is slander, you are being incredibly short-sighted and immature by enforcing YOUR labels on someone YOU DON'T KNOW based on a few internet comments.
In short, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG HERE because you are showing an incredible level of intolerance yourself.
Believing wholeheartedly in any religion opens you up to what is essentially mind control and hypnosis.
Yeah man. If we can get rid of this religion of hate by making movies rather sacrificing our soldiers the world would be a better place.
are they not thinking? how many people in prison who are are radicals. will love to get there hands on him
That struck me too. Then I thought, maybe their strategy is to downplay his movie as the cause of the attack. If they put him in protective custody it reinforces the premise of the movie that any Muslim is sure to kill him. If they put him in the GP it sends a message that something else triggered the attack.
They are very naive.
The attorney is trying to make his client look good in the eyes of the court by pulling him out of protective custody, but he'll only end up putting him in greater physical danger... either in the population (Double Muslims, anyone?--Richard Pryor joke) or out on the street. And that also puts those around him in danger as well. Certainly, I don't want to be standing in line behind the guy when some armed thugs come up and start shooting at him!
New Biden Osama Obama bumper sticker: "GM is alive and Youssef is in jail." Another major foreign affairs accomplishment for the Liar in Chief.
Republicans, everything is a conspiracy and if backed by law, fact and statistical proof, a lie.
This guy should get an Oscar for the film. These radical Muslims have got to go even if it means nuking the whole middle east.
IMHO
Now... seriously... if you were raised from birth in a given religion, if your parents were raised from birth in a given religion, if your whole community / city / country has that religion tied into both its primary religious and its political system... would a piece of crap film like that EVER sway you to leave your religion?
It was an insult to religions everywhere, that film--and to whatever you hold sacred (be it Jesus, Buddha or The Great God Dis). By disrespecting other religions, he in turn has disrespected Christianity and the teachings by which Christians are supposed to live.
Radical Christians in the Republican Party are just as dangerous.
Certainly. Radical Christians are blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors. And their morals have sank so low that they're blaming homosexuality for the deaths of American soldiers--and protesting at funerals.
and radical dope dealing libs are ruining the streets, that doesn't mean all libs are dope dealers. You are trying to use a real wide paint brush on a rather small group.
BTW, NO christian groups I know have anything but the lowest of opinions for westboro and think their freedom of speech should be removed. However, using laws the liberals have fought long and hard for over the years, those idiots still get it. Quite the conundrum isn't it
And to that end, there is a large percentage of the Muslim population that is equally disgusted by the activities of the extremists. Yet they're all lumped in to one pot. Same as Muslims who look at the Westboro Church activities would find it easy to lump all Christians in to that pot.
This guy was just a scapegoat so Obama didn't have to admit to another 9/11 terror attack on his watch.
Republicans want laws that benefit them such as these voter id laws. But when an existing law works and it goes against their hate and intolerance, they go berserk and start yelling conspiracy theories.
common man -
My thoughts exactly. The proof is in today's hearings.
Even car thief, arsonist and threatens his employees with a gun Issa's own witnesses stated nothing else could have helped. The mob was too big. It's the Libyans Government's Job to provide protection. Learn your facts blood thirsty Republicans. Another attempt by Republicans to skew the investigation for political reasons before the facts are known.
sunset -
First, I am a registered democrat - but I use my brain and vote accordingly.
Second - The facts were known from the first hour, but Obama, Hillary and Rice covered it up. Today's hearings are to investigate the cover up. Read one state department employee testimony today.
No one expected a armed group to attack the embassy, they should have taken extra precautions because of the 9/11 anniversary and figured out that the terrorists would hit something American.
Even if the guard had been beefed up, the attackers out gunned and out numbered even a beefed up defense force at the embassy.
Twenty twenty hind sight doe no good, we had our opportunities to stop 9/11 and blew our chance to stop it. Nothing new under the sun and it does not matter whether our president is Democrat or Republican, the beast of government moves slowly and deliberately and is easy to out meneuver.
Obama falsely promoted this film as the reason behind his extremist mooslum brothers going nuts around the middle east. obama is guilty of lying and promoting violence around the middle east with his bs rhetoric. BTW: Terry Jones in Dearborn, MI today to reveal the truth about gangs of mooslums bullying Christian kids at Edsel Ford High School. The school where mooslum bastard children celebrated 9/11..it's a fact libbies!
It seems like there is a revelation a day about the clowns associated with this film...a bunch of rightwingnuts doing israels bidding...
Nice show of your racist tendencies there. You should be proud of yourself. (yes for those that don't understand, that was sarcasm)
My goodness it comes to a point in life when enough is enough! Censoring freedom of speech is not what our Founding Fathers wanted. Our incompetent leaders were the cause of the embassy killings not this man. He is only telling the TRUTH, no matter who likes it. Coming from an ex-Muslim, turning Christian, I believe it is a credible video. God bless The USA because our incompetent leaders in Washington, starting from Commander in Chief all the way down can't.
Oh, for crying out loud. READ THE ARTICLE.
This man is a convicted felon with a drug past and arrest/imprisonment for FRAUD.
He VIOLATED PROBATION. He utilized pseudonyms and was on the internet without permission from his probation officer.
This arrest has NOTHING to do with FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Do your damned research, READ once in a while, and know what the hell you're talking about!
Literally, you and everyone else that goes yammering on about this being "freedom of speech" is showing total ignorance about the reason behind his arrest!
Rick, the only clown here is you and those deadbeat politicians in Washington, beginning with YOUR Commander in Chief!
I guess the reporter who did this story doesn't bother to review the news themself. It has been proven that this highly co-ordinated and pre-meditated attack that killed our Ambassador and three SEAL's was planned well in advance by a Terrorist Group to coincide with 9/11 anniversary. Even reporters seem to swallow the kool-aid these days.
Yes they have Vet, it is ridiculous. Just about as bad as watching party line extremist bantering their rhetoric instead of using their brains like a bunch of programmed robots. What happened to the fire pissers that made this country great?
Leave the man alone. He should be a hero to the liberals who always taut freedom of speech - when it suits them. This man is being used as a scapegoat for the cover ups by Obama, Hillary and Rice.
Watch the investigations and learn something.
It is a sad day in America when we arrest this guys for making a trailer about a movie that he is making expressing his views on a prophet. Meanwhile, we have white supremacist Nazi groups making movies, writing books and having rallies about how they would destroy anyone who does not fit the Anglo-Saxon profile insulting any and everything not white. When was the last time we arrested some idiot for using Moses and/or Jesus' name in vain? Did we arrest the guy who make a painting of Jesus using urine & feces in the paint? Give me a break...Moslem's are used to bullying their way into any society (look at the Moorish history in the 14th & 15th century) and if they don't get their way they run into the streets like wild jack asses screaming, beating something with their filthy sandals and setting something on fire.
Have we forgotten our rights as Americans as they relate to the constitution and society? Wake up people...when is it enough? Where the hell is ACLU? They sure are quick to run to the aid of the terrorists in guantanamo but now they are closing their eyes?
You NBC NEWS PEOPLE.....WAKE UP! Writing that a video caused the violence. BALONY! You all might want to watch the news yourself so you know the truth.