I agree with your statement, however, suicide in not anger. When your angry you do harm to others and when your depressed you do harm to yourself. So it just kinda bothers me when people always bring up "well if only he/she shot themselves first" statement.

(Love my XD9mm btw. I have the sub-compact for concealed carry)

Sam-1938777

I never said anger... I said failure. However, I do believe he lashed out in anger and then realized how deep he got himself in and couldn't deal with what he had just done by murdering innocent people.

Also, I DO wish he had started with himself first. If successful, then he could have continued.. ;-)

I'm getting the 9mm in the 3.8in version next week for carry. The full size is nice, but difficult to carry and not print. I'm hoping the smaller one is just as accurate and keeps the groups just as tight.

One more point.... I DO have great sympathy for people who only think suicide is the cure to their problems. They fail to realize suicide is a very permanent solution to often times a temporary problem. They also neglect to think through the ramifications of their actions on others around them that they leave behind. It's the survivors that actually suffer when a family member or close friend kills themselves. I know they're not thinking rationally when they do kill themselves, but I would hope any that consider it, talk to someone BEFORE they act. Sometimes, the advice or understanding of another is all that's required to stop a suicide BEFORE it's committed.

There have been jerks that have used knives and gas as well.

What's your point?

Like comparing a mountain to molehill. That's the gun nut way. Wonder if he had legally purchased that weapon?

I hope I never have to own a firearm. Personally I feel much more secure without one. After 35 years of self defense training I can only view owning a gun as a sign of weakness and insecurity. I have always suspected there are other insecurity issues at play with gun owners. Inanimate objects don't tend to hold endless fascination to me anyway. I would rather deal with a beautiful woman than a Glock any day.

voxrationis

I'm happy that you believe your 35 years of self defense training are sufficient to protect you and your loved ones.

While I have also had extensive unarmed self defense training, I must admit that age and the foibles that accompany age have taken their toll. I'm hardly as quick or good as I once was, and contrary to the country song by Toby Keith, I'm not as good once as I ever was.

Also, I take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. I have fortunately only had to draw once, and that was in defense of another. I intervened when another man was being kicked mercilessly by a group of young men. When the pack of "youth" turned their attention to me, I surmise believing I was also a defenseless older man, they turned and ran like the vermin they were when they realized bringing fists and feet to a gun fight was a futile endeavor on their part. I'll be quite candid and admit that had I not been armed, I likely would have been severely beaten or killed, as the "group" numbered about ten.

You might have had the fortitude to engage them, or maybe you would have called 911 as I did. Of course, I was giving the gentleman first-aid for a few minutes prior to the police arriving. Oh, they DID thank me for getting involved, as did the gentleman and his family. He was hospitalized for three weeks.

One more point. While I would also prefer to deal with my beautiful wife, at least my firearms never nag me about putting the toilet seat down.

XDm9mm, I love your post most especially the last paragraph....very funny!

Shelby2012

Thanks Shelby....

Ed_in _PHX

Ed... I've obviously quoted you below......

Go brush yer tooth and leave the discussion to people that can actually think for themselves.

Now I ask you? After you read your ENTIRE post, and you consider the name calling, are you the kettle calling the pot black?