Worker cooked to death at Bumble Bee seafood plant in California

California workplace safety officials are investigating how a worker at a Bumble Bee Foods seafood plant wound up being cooked to death in an industrial oven.

The accident happened Thursday morning at the Bumble Bee Foods factory in Santa Fe Springs, Calif., KTLA.com reported.

Police and fire personnel, responding to a 911 call from the business, found a worker dead inside a cooking device called a "steamer machine,” according to KTLA.


The victim was identified as Jose Malena, 62, an employee at the factory for more than six years.

An initial investigation indicated that Malena “was fatally injured when he was cooked in an oven," California Division of Occupational Safety and Health spokeswoman Erika Monterroza told the Whittier Daily News.

Cal-OSHA is trying to determine how the man wound up in the oven and whether there were any workplace safety regulatory violations.

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"The entire Bumble Bee Foods family is saddened by the tragic loss of our colleague, and our thoughts and prayers are with the Malena family," Bumble Bee Foods spokesman Pat Menke said in a statement to KTLA.

Operations at the plant were suspended until Monday.

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Comment author avatarJo MammaRestored

Guess I won't be eating Bumble Bee tuna any time soon! What a tragedy!

  • 109 votes
#1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:10 PM EDT
Comment author avatarTheOverlordRestored

I seriously doubt the Bumble Bee corporation cares about a dead worker... we know how these bosses think about the 47% and their workers. They are just hoping not to get sued or heavily fined for the accident.

I hate to be so cynical but in the world we live in I believe it is the truth.

  • 156 votes
#1.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:26 PM EDT
Comment author avatarKathleen-2443896Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

There's always a D*ck that has to bring up politics.

  • 157 votes
#1.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:29 PM EDT
Comment author avatarwill-2359292Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Not really , but the rest of us were hoping that you had been in there.

  • 19 votes
#1.3 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

I don't know how you can immediately blame the company. We have no idea why, or how, he was inside the furnace. I once worked inside gas dryers in a printing plant, as part of the maintenance crew. We had strict safety rules, and check sheets to use prior to entry. Not sure if this is the case, but how about we wait for a little more info before we assess blame?

My sympathies to the family, and his fellow workers.

  • 174 votes
#1.4 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

Even if you believe they are cold enough not to care about an employee's life, you can bet they would care a great deal about his death. Deaths are very expensive in lots of ways to a company. If nothing else their workplace insurance premiums are going to suck for the next few years.

So no matter how they feel about his life, they are not sitting up there on high going "Oh well, too bad, so sad.... Someone hire another one....".

As for me, I bet you would be surprised how badly they feel about his death.

  • 80 votes
#1.5 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

Is a tragedy. Know I am not the only person wondering if there should be a tuna fish recall. Would it be inappropriate to publish an article about a workplace safety accident combined with assurances about the q/c of bumblebee tunafish product?

  • 14 votes
#1.6 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

Unless of course they have dead peasant insurance on thier employees

  • 26 votes
#1.7 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:53 PM EDT
Comment author avatarTea TardedRestored

Something stinks here.

  • 21 votes
#1.8 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

I'm no expert on steam ovens but i'm allmost certain they have some form of latch or lid. I'm thinking foul play here. If he had a heart attack and fell in the thing would the lid or door close and latch itself? I Can't imagine someone commiting suicide this way. OUCH! I can only guess but id say someone put him there and started the steam. MY 2 cents.

  • 65 votes
#1.9 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

Hmmmm.

1) He knew too much and had to go

2) Tuna got too expensive, and they needed a substitute. Didn't work out though.

3) He "fell" in there somehow.

  • 22 votes
#1.10 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

I think I too will be staying away from their products.

My sincere condolences, thoughts and prayers go out to Jose's family, friends and co-workers.

  • 30 votes
#1.11 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

My guess would be a sanitation employee who ignored (or couldn't understand) a Confined Spaces placard. There are many spots in factories where a human can technically fit inside, but it's only done with a buddy system and Lock Out / Tag Out being fully followed.

Beyond that, most industrial equipment these days is designed to make it so people can't "fall in" without triggering every alarm in the place when they opened up the safety cover.

  • 51 votes
#1.12 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

It was an accident. The broomstick holding down the safety over-ride just fell on it. And now you know what happened to Jimmy Hoffa.

  • 10 votes
#1.13 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

I would say I am never again buying another Bumble Bee item again.

A tragedy, horrific for all who knew and loved Mr. Malena/Melena (MSN should get spellings correct, dang it!)

  • 14 votes
#1.14 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:23 PM EDT
Comment author avatarWallStFatCatExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Violent crime is rampant is Southern California. This is the end result of corrupt police and politicians more interested in harvesting money than public safety. The combination of imported criminals and the domestic origin have made Southern California the new 'Detroit' of the west. Southern California has become the magnet for thugs, gangs, trafficking drug lords, and homicidal psychopath.

The combined number of rape, murder, burglary, vandalism committed in Southern California in one month exceeds the combined number of the same crimes in the entire Japan, Singapore and HongKong in one year. At this rate the total number of murder victim of Southern California will exceed the total number of victims in Cambodia's killing-zone during the Khomer-Rouge cleansing reign.

This worker died not from an industrial accident. He was murdered, then masqueraded as an accident in hundreds of similar 'incidents.'

  • 14 votes
#1.16 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:39 PM EDT

I'm no genius but i would say he had some help being in there. Damn.

  • 41 votes
#1.17 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

I would say so also because everywhere I have worked anyone who is working inside or on a dangerous machine first has to have another person there with him or her and second they put a device on the start up that keeps the machine from turning on and cannot be removed except by the person working on the machine. I will wait for more info on how this could have happened.

  • 18 votes
#1.18 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:46 PM EDT
Comment author avatarRJay55Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

"There's always a D*ck that has to bring up politics."

And there's always a bitch who has to whine about it.

Tis the season. STFU about it.

  • 18 votes
#1.19 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

Ok, I agree... at least w/out pics I dunno... gawd, if our food supply is not contaminated w/ this or that, now we see it is, prob has been, contam'd w/ ppl, no wonder so many are so sick all the way around, blah blah blah... this poor man, ewww

  • 6 votes
#1.20 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

My thoughts and prayers to family and friends. I can only hope he didn't suffer too much.

It saddens me to see such cold hearted people making light of another persons death. There are not enough details to make any judgments at this time let alone make jokes. Grow up and try to find some compassion for others.

  • 73 votes
#1.21 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

Condolences to the family and friends.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

  • 45 votes
#1.22 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

Probably just an accident? Years ago in my state an employee at a chocolate factory accidentally fell into a machine and it tore him into shreds.....Or was it foul play? Years ago I remember a recall on canned hash because it contained human remains from a murder victim.

  • 8 votes
#1.23 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

I worked seven seasons in Alaskan salmon canneries in the 80's and 90's, and put my way through college in part through summer jobs there. Chances are the "oven" is actually a steel retort used for cooking the fish once it's been canned. The retorts were maybe 30 feet long tubes, 4 1/2" feet tall with doors on either end. Our cannery had 14 of these retorts, which had steam pipes running along the floor and ceiling of the retort, and rails along the floor to wheel loaded baskets of cans in the dirty end facing the cannery equipment and out the clean end facing the cooling area, palletizing equipment and loading dock. The "cook" was the boiler room operator who would keep an eye on temperature, time and pressure of each batch and keep records for the government inspectors and buyers. The retort ovens weren't used to actually cook fish directly, but once it had already been sealed in cans.

I used to absolutely hate going in the retorts, even when both doors were open. It was usually uncomfortably warm from the last cook and made me very clausterphobic. However, some of the Philippinos on the cleanup crew were known to nap out in the warm retorts after their shift.

My guess is that the accident didn't happen during production hours since the baskets of cans in a loaded oven wouldn't leave enough room for a person. This likely happened when an exhausted worker opted to take a nap between shifts, and the cook came in at the start of the day and tested the ovens by briefly bringing them up to temperature and pressure, without checking for an occupant inside before sealing the heavy steel door.

I can't imagine a more awful way to go. My condolences to his family.

  • 99 votes
#1.24 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:01 PM EDT
Comment author avatarwhiskey eyeRestored

HOLY MACKEREL ,What a way to DIE.

  • 22 votes
#1.25 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

Not good no matter how it happened. To many companys still have a problem with workers safety. At a plant I worked at I had filled out paperwork to have a safety issue address 4 times. Each time it was put aside becaause of production needs which came first. Needless to say I was the one that had an accident because of this safety problem in which I spent 6 weeks in the hospital and 6 months recouping. I am in a right to work state and they really do not have any workmans comp except for federal guide lines. Need less to say I was told later that the problem was addressed withing 10 min after I was taken to the hospital. Didn't help me any. And no I did not recieve a big payout from workmans comp. Like I said I live and worked in a right to work republican state.

  • 18 votes
#1.26 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

Think AR Pasco has the most logical explanation. I can only hope that it was quick. Poor man, a dreadful way to die.

  • 37 votes
#1.27 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:59 PM EDT

Have to make sure that the ovens can't be opened from the inside. Wouldn't want any tuna escaping.

Perhaps they will put that safety feature in place now.

  • 8 votes
#1.28 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

gives a whole new meaning to "cooking your goose" Maybe his wife got mad at him and paid someone to off him?

    #1.29 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:28 PM EDT

    SORRY,CHARLIE

    • 20 votes
    #1.30 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:53 PM EDT

    gmainco

    My thoughts and prayers to family and friends. I can only hope he didn't suffer too much.

    It saddens me to see such cold hearted people making light of another persons death. There are not enough details to make any judgments at this time let alone make jokes. Grow up and try to find some compassion for others.

    I'm pretty certain people aren't as cold-hearted as comes across on the Internet. It's an unusual story about an anonymous person and it's easy for people to be callous. But then again we all die and there is nothing wrong with approaching it with a sense of humor.

    • 8 votes
    #1.31 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:54 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarTheOverlordRestored

    Kathleen-2443896 Comment collapsed by the community

    There's always a D*ck that has to bring up politics.

    They were words right out of the mouth of Mitt Romney and he's the guy I most associate with big business today. I'm not even sure that's politics, it's truth.

    • 8 votes
    #1.32 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:57 PM EDT

    AR: thanks for the detailed info. My first thought on reading the headline was "No more bumblebee tuna for me for a while" but after reading, it sounded to me like he didn't just fall into a vat of cooking tuna, which would contaminate the food and force them to shut down until it was thoroughly cleaned, but rather he was in an oven and not in contact with any of the food directly so I will continue to enjoy my tuna casserole with no concerns. I do feel for this man's family for their loss and it can't have been a very pleasant way to go, if there is one at all. With your description of the equipment, tho, one wonders if it was a horrible accident or a deliberate action against him. I hope it was the former.

    • 18 votes
    #1.33 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:58 PM EDT

    @ TheOverlord, it's called deindividuation.

    • 1 vote
    #1.34 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:04 PM EDT

    Charlie the Tuna's revenge!

    • 6 votes
    #1.35 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:27 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarbeth-7038404Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    I seriously doubt the Bumble Bee corporation cares about a dead worker...

    I seriously doubt there is an ass licking @!$%# as stupid as overlord.

    • 15 votes
    #1.36 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:28 PM EDT

    overload sounds like you would like all bosses to die...then all could live off the government..heck with working for a living.

    • 12 votes
    #1.37 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:32 PM EDT

    Overlord, the only thing in your comment that came out of romneys mouth is "47%" and you have taken that out of context. mitt's comment about the 47% is that there are that many people receiving some kind of financial assistance from the government. 47% has nothing to do with people who are working hard to earn a living.

    So you must be one of those occupy anarchist who would rather destroy other peoples property because the have nicer things than you.

    • 22 votes
    #1.38 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:39 PM EDT

    Sad! I Hope he was not packed and shipped.

    • 6 votes
    #1.39 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:43 PM EDT

    Usagi - Yours is a correct assumption. In the canning process, the cooking is done in steam retort ovens after the raw product is already sealed in individual cans. The worker would not have contaminated any raw product. I'm speculating that the retort did not contain any product when the accident happened, rather during off hours or a maintenance cycle. This is based on knowledge that ovens, when fully loaded with baskets of cans, would not allow room for a person in there.

    • 16 votes
    #1.40 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:57 PM EDT

    New OSHA rule requires companies to provide comfortable sleeping quarters so employees do not have to use the oven.

    • 15 votes
    #1.41 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:05 PM EDT

    The company doesn't care about their "colleague". What they do care about is their bottom line, they will attempt to skew the "investigation" so as to this tragic accident appears to be employee error.

    @Worm meat

    Actually most of the laborers at such a plant are part of the "47%". They only work part of the year and or part time. for minimum wage. Who do you think pays for their health care. We do, every time they go to the emergency door to take advantage of the Romney "Emergent Care" program.

    • 17 votes
    #1.42 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:06 PM EDT

    Overlord;

    Clearly you have no inkling as to how expensive a fatality accident is to a business. ALL businesses have safety rules in place, they also have a LOTO policy, (Lock out, Tag out.) as mandated by federal labor, health and safety laws look it up. You must lock out and tag out ALL energy sources before doing any work on or in a machine. Even if it turns out the fault was the workers for not following procedures, the company can expect fines in excess of $250,000 for the fatality alone and in Cal-Osha's view, not properly enforcing safety rules, it just goes with the territory.

    In this instance, short of him falling in the machine in operation, the practice was not followed. How can it be the companies fault if an employee ignores safety rules? And if a machine is properly guarded and in California, where they are insane about trying to idiot proof everything, you can be sure it was. Stop trying to say companies don't care about there workers, the facts clearly say to opposite. The statistics show that 99.7% of all employee injuries and deaths are from failing to follow safety rules or taking unnecessary risks, again look it up.

    • 12 votes
    #1.43 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:09 PM EDT

    Soylent Green is people.

    • 12 votes
    #1.44 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:11 PM EDT

    Worm Meat, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most of the polls say oBAMa has 47% of the electorate? Don't they currently show that oBAMa is supported by 47% of the people polled? It would seem to me if these nay sayers would stop repeating the talking points and look at the facts they would see the truth is right in front of them.

    It's funny Romney said in a private fundraising meeting in May what is showing to be fact in October.

    • 6 votes
    #1.45 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:13 PM EDT

    If companies are fined, where does the money actually go? And if sports players are fined, where does that money go? Sports fines against players should go to the food banks, homeless shelters for women and children. Who benefits from the company fines?

    • 2 votes
    #1.46 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:45 PM EDT

    TheOverlord

    Wow, you really are full of yourself. You must be a joy to be around since you want to tell everyone what to think and do. You have a very negative outlook on this world so and the people in it which is a big downer for most people. Sorry you are so unhappy with life but try to keep it to yourself. Thank You!

    • 9 votes
    #1.47 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:10 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarDan Peterson-2742520Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    One less Beaner in our country.....More jobs...YIPPEE

    • 3 votes
    #1.48 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:12 PM EDT

    At least one person got it right, and that is CHOUSE. Following proper lock-out tag-out proceedures can save life, limb, and prolong a mechanics career. The big question is if the emp had good enough english comprehension skills to follow the proper confined space entery proceedure as outlined by Bumble Bee, or was he cutting corners. Throughout my 12hr day today I had to lock out aprox. 8 pieces of equipment at the steelmill I work at in order to safely PM them.

    • 10 votes
    #1.49 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:16 PM EDT

    "You want to be embalmed with oil or water?"

    • 2 votes
    #1.50 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:23 PM EDT

    Something is fishy about this---

    • 2 votes
    #1.51 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:27 PM EDT
    Comment author avatarBob-620072Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    It's dolphin free......we can't guarantee mexican-free though....

    • 4 votes
    #1.52 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:17 PM EDT

    @Kathleen.........What else had you prefer a dick bring up?

    • 1 vote
    #1.53 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:27 PM EDT

    I was always curious about what human flesh taste like........chicken? pork? or beef???

    Or it could taste like $hit.

    • 2 votes
    #1.54 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:08 AM EDT

    Violent crime is rampant is Southern California. This is the end result of corrupt police and politicians more interested in harvesting money than public safety.

    Talk about your awkward segue.

    What has this industrial accident to do with violent crime in So. Ca.?

    • 5 votes
    #1.55 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:45 AM EDT

    What an awful way to go.

    • 1 vote
    #1.56 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:46 AM EDT

    Suicide, sorry i have nothing better to add. tradgety is without a soul.

      #1.57 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:56 AM EDT

      This is one of the few times I'm actually hoping they discover there was foul play involved, and that he was at least unconscious if not already dead when the ovens fired up. It's beyond horrible for me to consider otherwise. My condolences to his family.

      • 2 votes
      #1.58 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:48 AM EDT

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_Raoul

      Case solved - this is what they were doing.

      • 1 vote
      #1.59 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:02 AM EDT

      heard ...the tuna helper...had a funny taste...

      • 3 votes
      #1.60 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:50 AM EDT

      Not really , but the rest of us were hoping that you had been in there.

      Where to hell is Tyler?? Why isn't will-2359292 banned?? Wishing the death of a fellow viner??

      will-2359292, you sir are a sad excuse for a human!

      • 4 votes
      #1.61 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:49 AM EDT

      AR Pasco: Thank you for the explanation--and yet that makes it all the more disturbing!!

      Why would anyone take a nap in one of those things? Or worse, be working alone near one of those? Just sad any way you look at it.

      • 4 votes
      #1.62 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:05 PM EDT

      There's always a D*ck that has to bring up politics.

      Not really , but the rest of us were hoping that you had been in there.

      And there's always a bitch who has to whine about it.

      I seriously doubt there is an ass licking @!$%# as stupid as overlord

      Kathleen-2443896, will-2359292, RJay55, beth-7038404, you are all suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.

      Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

      Address the issues, not other users please.

      One less Beaner in our country.....More jobs...YIPPEE

      Dan Peterson-2742520, you are also suspended for a day for violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.

      Don't make racist remarks, please.

      • 8 votes
      #1.63 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:08 PM EDT

      will-2359292 should have been banned...

      • 1 vote
      #1.64 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

      You know what happens to you when you want to vote "D" and it's against corporate policy. Let this be a warning to everyone. I understand that the Kock Brothers are pissed that they didn't think of this method first.

        #1.65 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

        @ dan peterbreath I am sure you and many more like you are way to lazy to hold down the type of jobs those "beaners" do for their hours, hard labor, and pay wages they receive. Keep at your air conditioned 9-5, 5 day a week making 25-30k.

          #1.66 - Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

          actually Nanci Palosi's family owns bumble bee!! looks like she bumbled up on the job again !

            #1.67 - Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:44 PM EDT

            I have a feeling this is a company has similar hiring practices as the meat packing company in the movie "fast food nation"

              #1.68 - Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:14 PM EDT
              Reply

              Wow. What a horrible way to die. Wow. I hope that was no foul play, and I hope that the comments here remain compassionate and polite. I'm sorry for his painful death and his family.

              • 59 votes
              #2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

              Ram, that's just what I was thinking. It does not sound like an accident to me.

              • 11 votes
              #2.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

              He could have had a heart attack and ended up in there. I really hope that is the case and he was dead, or passed out when he got cooked. I just keep thinking of the brazen bull, and how horrifc those deaths were.

              • 4 votes
              #2.3 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:09 PM EDT
              Comment author avatarTheKhanKublaRestored

              If he were working at a chicken factory, then I'd suspect fowl play!

              • 27 votes
              #2.4 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

              that will teach him to mess with the cartel!

              • 3 votes
              #2.5 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:29 PM EDT
              Comment author avatarMillerMan15Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              Sure would be nice if MSN/NBC.COM would publish more than half the story so we don't have to guess on it.

              RIP for the gentalman that died what a way to go...

              To bad that idiots like TheOverlord try to make everypost into a political topic, by the way you are part of the 47% TheOverlord but you are one of those tax evaders.

              • 9 votes
              #2.6 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

              Thank you Ram, I agree. It sounds suspicious and it's sad to hope it was just an accident but I hope it was and the family can find peace. What a horrible way to go.

              • 5 votes
              #2.7 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:41 PM EDT

              There a few here that obviously haven't grown up enough to know when to keep the sick humor to themselves. One day they will after they themselves have endured a few tragities to reflect on.

              The man was 62 working in heat and humidity of the steamer. Any number of reason are possible but I doubt it was intentional by him or anyone else.

              • 6 votes
              #2.8 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:25 AM EDT

              I think I saw something like this on that show '1000 ways to die.' The dude was sleeping on the job inside an industrial oven (or something similar) and slept through to the next shift - who fired up the equipment without checking inside (afterall, who would be doing maintenance on it past their shift?)

              • 2 votes
              #2.9 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:30 AM EDT

              Soilent Green is people!!!!!!

              • 6 votes
              #2.10 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:35 AM EDT

              I'm sure he was cleaning and someone came along to preheat..

              • 2 votes
              #2.11 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:57 AM EDT

              When I worked in an industrial facility (mining processing) we were trained that whenever equipment was offline for repair or maintenance it had to be locked off, they had big padlocks that secured the covers on the switches. We were also a union shop and safety rules were absolute. You could be sent home for the day if you weren't wearing ear protection, never mind steel toed boots or hard hat. The place had outdoor mining pits, multiple large indoor crushing and firing plants (the ore was baked in blast furnaces at 2000 degrees F). At its peak it employed around 3000 people. In 40 years of operation it lost 4 employees, all in railroad accidents.

              • 1 vote
              #2.12 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:58 AM EDT

              To bad that idiots like TheOverlord try to make everypost into a political topic, by the way you are part of the 47% TheOverlord but you are one of those tax evaders.

              MillerMan15, please mind rule # 1 of the Code of Honor in the future.

              Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

              • 5 votes
              #2.13 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:14 PM EDT

              First, my thoughts and condolences to the family and his co-workers. Horrible tragedy.

              Second, this statement caught my eye:

              Cal-OSHA is trying to determine how the man wound up in the oven and whether there were any workplace safety regulatory violations.

              Whether there were any safety violations?

              OK, let's examine this:

              Point A: A food processing plant with employees that is operating normally.
              Point B: An employee dead in an oven used for the food processing.

              It seems rather obvious to me that you cannot possibly get from point A to point B without a safety violation.

              • 3 votes
              #2.14 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

              It seems rather obvious to me that you cannot possibly get from point A to point B without a safety violation.

              Well I guess the most obvious would be in the case of murder.

              The next would be suicide. Although I can't see anyone choosing this particular way to kill themselves.

              Third maybe he sidestepped protocols and got trapped.

              This one reminds me of a very lucky supervisor who worked at a coal fired power plant. It seems the boiler was down for maintenance and they were getting ready to relight it. He decided on his own to sidestep protocols and enter the boiler one last time to check it out - without signing the log book or using a lock-out-tag-out tag on the entrance or control system. Well the entrance was closed up and they started the sequence to light off the boiler with him inside. Luckily for him, an airflow sensor tripped the start sequence before the start-up burners lit off. When operators went to investigate the problem with the airflow sensor, they heard him banging on the door and freed him. No doubt his pants were ruined. I'm sure protocols were changed to prevent this from happening again too. But frankly, when writing these things, who's going to think someone is going to be THAT stupid? The only way to make a boiler or oven so safe no one can get injured or killed by one is to not build it.

              Just think about it. You have an oven at home that has no safety locks to prevent someone from being injured or killed by it and you have houses full of young children. These places have only adults working in them but we expect them to be idiot proofed. Which frankly is an impossibility. Strange isn't it?

                #2.15 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:55 PM EDT

                Dan 2358143,

                Safety regulation violation investigations are just that - to determine if and how they were violated. Yes, it is easy to presume someone went out of their way to create a violation, like you are proposing. In reality, the worker may not have done anything wrong and still could have died, regardless of regulatory procedures.

                I suppose you need an example - a worker has a heart attack. Not a safety violation, unless you want to cite him for not getting medical treatment prior to his condition, if you suspect he was aware of it before starting his shift. But what kind of boss would do that to the deceased after-the-fact?

                  #2.16 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:46 AM EDT
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                  I am at a loss. There is a bad joke somewhere here, but it won't be me that tells it.

                  • 15 votes
                  Reply#3 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                  I, for one, am grateful for people that resist that urge. Thank you.

                  • 24 votes
                  #3.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:49 PM EDT
                  Comment author avatarceltic curmudgeonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  Ay carumba! I just hope it wasn't Bumblebee Man from the Simpson's!

                  • 2 votes
                  #3.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

                  Leave it to the media to exploit this man's tragic death. Why do they have to put the death in terms of "cooked to death" ? What if he had a heart attack and was dead before he ended up in the steamer ? Couldn't they just say something about him being in the steamer without saying he was cooked to death ? The graphics are insensitive to his family and friends. NBC is also well aware this type of headline will be followed by bad jokes, but hey it is all about the ratings.

                  • 4 votes
                  #3.3 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

                  I am beginning to have many reservations about comments being allowed on articles. People (which includes me) who have no training or experience in mass media are being allowed to use it anonymously. For some, it has been a platform to spew hate, self-agendas, and other destructive drivel. In some cases, it is done innocently as most unprofessional people posting comments know not what they are doing.

                  • 4 votes
                  #3.4 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:49 AM EDT

                  Something sounds fishy about this man's death.

                  • 2 votes
                  #3.5 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

                  I hear what you're saying (typing) Salvia, but occasionally great info comes out of these comment sections. You just have to know who to ignore to get to the good stuff. For example, and the thread was collapsed so I'll post it again here, but A.R. Pasco, WA said in post 1.24:

                  I worked seven seasons in Alaskan salmon canneries in the 80's and 90's, and put my way through college in part through summer jobs there. Chances are the "oven" is actually a steel retort used for cooking the fish once it's been canned. The retorts were maybe 30 feet long tubes, 4 1/2" feet tall with doors on either end. Our cannery had 14 of these retorts, which had steam pipes running along the floor and ceiling of the retort, and rails along the floor to wheel loaded baskets of cans in the dirty end facing the cannery equipment and out the clean end facing the cooling area, palletizing equipment and loading dock. The "cook" was the boiler room operator who would keep an eye on temperature, time and pressure of each batch and keep records for the government inspectors and buyers. The retort ovens weren't used to actually cook fish directly, but once it had already been sealed in cans.

                  I used to absolutely hate going in the retorts, even when both doors were open. It was usually uncomfortably warm from the last cook and made me very claustrophobic. However, some of the Filipinos on the cleanup crew were known to nap out in the warm retorts after their shift.

                  My guess is that the accident didn't happen during production hours since the baskets of cans in a loaded oven wouldn't leave enough room for a person. This likely happened when an exhausted worker opted to take a nap between shifts, and the cook came in at the start of the day and tested the ovens by briefly bringing them up to temperature and pressure, without checking for an occupant inside before sealing the heavy steel door.

                  Now, the machinery used in the canning process was no where to be found in the article, but it's extremely interesting to read about. At first I just automatically assume it was murder, but now maybe it was an accident? Also, I wouldn't have learned about the fish canning process without reading the comment section.

                  • 5 votes
                  #3.6 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:18 PM EDT

                  This is tragic, but had he survived he probably would have gotten canned anyway !

                  • 3 votes
                  #3.7 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:59 PM EDT

                  Salvia58-3789575

                  Leave it to the media to exploit this man's tragic death. Why do they have to put the death in terms of "cooked to death" ?

                  The writers/editors at MSNBC did so intentionally so then they could look at all the funny comments and have a laugh. But then I have a feeling if it had been a woman instead of a hispanic male, they probably would have chose better wording.

                    #3.8 - Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:33 AM EDT
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                    RIP, this is one time when I will NOT be involving politics or a joke. This is really sad.

                    • 28 votes
                    Reply#4 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

                    Yes, so you can feel that you are above those that do make comments, regardless if the comments meet your personal moral standards. Good for you. Whatever. Sad is when there is/was control over a situation, and no one did anything about it. Reality is when s*it happens, and none of us live forever (unless you are JC, from what I hear).

                    If I die tomorrow of a freak accident, I can say with full honesty, I would expect such thoughts and comments to be made. I would not want anyone's freedom of speech held back on account of my (untimely, strange, bizarre, etc.) demise. Especially if they had something to do with it, as it could be used to prosecute them after the fact, which could bring me final justice. Otherwise, it is just mindless babble. If you get upset about what someone else says on a newsvine every time there is a tragedy, then maybe it is you with the problem.

                      #4.1 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:01 AM EDT
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                      If you think this man's family is upset, imagine how steamed he was!

                        Reply#5 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

                        They need to explain how they have an oven system that latches without being able to get out.

                        • 12 votes
                        Reply#6 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

                        If he was unconscious or dead when he fell in, he wouldn't have been able to get out.

                        Years ago, I worked at a dairy plant that had a 35,000 gallon tank for milk. To clean it required getting inside. The way in was through a porthole that was closed and sealed by a heavy oval plate which swung in, then pulled against the inside of the tank and secured by a brace which was tightened against the rim on the outside of the tank.

                        One day, 2 of the guys (I was a 16-year-old girl) decided to play a prank, and when I went into the tank, they closed the opening and locked it. There was an opening at the top, through which they inserted a large hose and turned the water on. Then they left. Talk about PANIC!!! They came back about 1/2 hour later to enjoy the results of their "joke".

                        Presumably most of these setups are illegal or in some way regulated by now, but there is some equipment which can still present such situations.

                        • 8 votes
                        #6.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

                        Clearly Mitt Romney's fault.

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:18 PM EDT

                        JUST ME: I know exactly the bulk tank you're talking about. I've been in dairies all over Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.

                        My question is....what the hell is a 16 year old doing working the floor in a dairy????? Did your family own the dairy? Dad was a USDA dairy inspector. By law you were a little young...but I won't tell. My favorite thing about dairies was getting a worker to snag me a cup full of raw cheese curd. Yum.

                        If somebody locked me inside one of those they'd pull out a dead guy with a heart attack.

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.3 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:30 AM EDT

                        It's possible he was asleep at the time as well, heard a story about that happening in similar circumstances. The guy was taking a nap on the job - slept until the next shift. When the next shift came in they fired up the machinery and poof... instant death.

                        I don't know about this steamer in question - but hot steam can kill almost immediately: searing the lungs with the first breath.

                        • 2 votes
                        #6.4 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:35 AM EDT

                        Exactly. Some of those industrial ovens are massive, so perhaps it was a faulty door. Horrible way to die. Prayers to his family and friends. Someone mentioned perhaps he had a heart attack...I hope he was unconscious and never awoke for the pain and fear.

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.5 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:38 AM EDT

                        WHy he couldn't get out could be a couple of reasons - I a m assuming one fact not in evidnece here and that is they filled the unit with fish before turning on the steam. So 1st peosibility i he couldnt get around the racks of fish, and 2nd scenarion is these are pressure vessles and once loadedd they would be seales and secured from the out side, and since to open a pressure vessle you eed to reduce the pressure there would logically not be a way to access the relef valves from the inside.

                        What I dont understnad is they know to a tee exactly how many racks or carts would go in this thing - if he was asleep inside it how come they didn't notice they could not ge all the carts in?

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.6 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:49 AM EDT

                        WTF! Sounds horrfic, where in the world was other workers? Was there nobody around to help? No telling how long it really took for him to be discovered.

                        • 2 votes
                        #6.7 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

                        Mike-3890110, a person has to be president first before you can use that joke. Get a clue. Mitt can barely control lacing up his own shoes, let alone effect anything happening in this country.

                          #6.8 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:35 AM EDT

                          There most likely isn't a "escape" latching system on the inside of the steamers due logically to the fact the one would not expect for the intended contents - in this case being processed/canned tuna - to be yelling, scratching and clawing for help, or napping in them.

                          I say the above and the following with no intended callousness or lack of compassion for the decedent or his family. The article states that the accident happened on Thursday morning. Whether he suffered through a stroke/heart attack, his belt loop got caught on something inside, or he decided to take a nap inside that morning, were there not enough staff around in the area where the steamer was located that were curious enough to go and look for him before it was too late?

                          However if it is the case that he was found on Thursday morning and the tragedy - whatever it was - happened on Wednesday, surely at regular intervals there should have been what I would consider routine clearance checks in and around all such equipment and machinery BEFORE being operated EACH TIME. Also what about a supervisor who should be on duty at the same time making rounds to account for employees who haven't yet clocked out and not close the facility until all are accounted for?

                          A lot of companies tend to get very complacent in not having sufficient supervision on hand. Unfortunately this is a very sad example. If a mother duck can keep all of her offspring together, and in a single-file line behind her, before they all cross the road together, why can't we humans get our acts together?

                            #6.9 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:02 AM EDT

                            The ovens have no latches that can be opened from the inside because they are German manufactured.

                              #6.10 - Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:42 AM EDT
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                              Don't want to be the guy to put a bee in some smart alec's bonnet. Sad story, condolences.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#7 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:24 PM EDT
                              Comment author avatarREC-1797069Restored

                              It wasnt an accident, its Soylent Green.

                              • 16 votes
                              Reply#8 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

                              I was looking for the Soylent Green refrence!!! I knew it would have already popped up but I was thinking it...

                                #8.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:03 PM EDT

                                Three times so far. Does Heston get royalties?

                                  #8.2 - Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:04 PM EDT
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                                  bumble bee is people!

                                  • 17 votes
                                  Reply#9 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:25 PM EDT

                                  Bad form. Funny, but bad.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #9.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                                  Intentional or mistake... The Company will be blamed,based on improper procedure. Unless this guy was the shift supervisor doing the final check, these kind of accident are usually prevented by at least 2 or more physical systems to prevent activation of the system. There should not be any overrides.

                                  Our company has a robotic tape library, sometimes there are maintenance procedures which may require a person to enter the activity area. Should the robot arm be activated it has speed and torque enough to mangle a person on the first pass, it would turn your body to paste over the period of a shift.

                                  the control system must be shutdown, the computer running the program must be shutdown, there are 2 keys necessary to open and shut the access doors: one is taken by the person entering robot area, the other is given to the second person shift. The system will not activate, unless the doors are closed and you cannot correctly close the door without both keys being return - and locked in the correct position to complete a physical circuit, which allows the robot to power up. When I have had occasion to enter it - I sweat bullets until I get back out... it is unsettling.

                                  I is a no play area. Just acting like you are going to shut the with somene inside - is actionable.

                                  I have to belive a commercial cooker has even stronger procedures? Maybe a mandetory Head count and sign off before powering up?

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #9.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:47 PM EDT
                                  Comment author avatarDan Peterson-2742520Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  No Beoweolf....Just one less Beaner in our country and one more job to fill!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #9.3 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:14 PM EDT

                                  Comment # 10 deleted, major derail.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.4 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:19 PM EDT
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                                  Poor man, I wonder how he ended up in there and why he couldn't get out.

                                  • 11 votes
                                  Reply#11 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

                                  Kathleen, the story doesn't say, but remember that liquid water can only go to 212F at sea level. Live steam, on the other hand can go much higher and also makes it near impossible to breath. He was probably incapacitated and disoriented before he even had a chance to reach an exit.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #11.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:00 PM EDT
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                                  Poor Guy, very sad.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#12 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

                                  Comments # 13 and # 17 deleted, weird derails.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #12.1 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:20 PM EDT
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                                  Ouchie !!!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

                                  Absolutely tragic. My thoughts are with his family and co-workers at this time. Let's keep the comments appropriate.

                                  • 14 votes
                                  Reply#15 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

                                  Wow what a way to go. May he rest in peace.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#16 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

                                  i hope he died before he was cooked like a heart attack or something.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#18 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:30 PM EDT

                                  I think of the new game Dishonor, it has people die like that in the game.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#19 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

                                  Very gruesome and inexcusable.These food manufacturing companies should have safeguards in place so these types of accidents don't happen.You can bet that OSHA will be thoroughly investigating this man's death.My condolences to his family.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#20 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

                                  The safeguard is called "Lock out Tag out" If the worker locked out the machine before entering then this would not have happened. The only way would be if someone removed the tags and that is punishable beyond the mear firing of the individual.

                                  If the man came out un harmed the prancster would be fired at the very least.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #20.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

                                  did anyone bother to consider that it may have been a homicide?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #20.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:32 PM EDT

                                  S&W45,Thanks for the safety issue answer.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #20.3 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:14 PM EDT

                                  Yes, Cleaning Lady. I'm sure there were absolutely no safeguards at all at a tuna canning plant. Some people are just too stupid to be believed.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #20.4 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:22 PM EDT

                                  Mike-3890110,Safeguards set down by OSHA doesn't mean that companies follow them or that employees have been trained properly.Employers in food manufacturing take shortcuts.My first job was with La Victoria Foods in Rosemead,CA.The company knew that the treads on the steps leading up to the vats of chile were worn out and didn't replace them.It resulted in a man being severely burned when he slipped and fell half way into the vat.The company fought him every inch of the way trying to place the blame on the employee..All he was asking for was for La Victoria to pay for his medical bills and to fix his disfigured face.The only person who is too stupid to be believed are those that think all companies follow all safeguards to protect employees.

                                  • 7 votes
                                  #20.5 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:48 AM EDT
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                                  Comment author avatarlou-2716988Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  No wonder my tuna tasted like Mexican food.

                                  • 8 votes
                                  Reply#21 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                                  Not even remotely funny or clever...unless you are a 7 year old. If not, are you sure you aren't talking about your wife?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #21.2 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:18 PM EDT

                                  Lou, bet you would still make an assinine comment like that if it was your family member, just sayin what's true.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #21.3 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:01 AM EDT
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                                  I'll bet it was not an accident.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#22 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:40 PM EDT
                                  Comment author avatarMr CheeseheadExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  Needs garlic.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#23 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

                                  Hey Cheesehead, go be clever some other time. We're already knee deep in fools, thanks.

                                  • 12 votes
                                  #23.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

                                  Very sad. Terrible way to go if there even is a good way.

                                    #23.2 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:48 AM EDT
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                                    Honestly all I can think is how much it would absolutely SUCK to die that way. I wonder how long it took till he was unconscious?

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#24 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

                                    He probably suffocated before the extreme tempertures set in, I sure would like to think so.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #24.1 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:03 PM EDT

                                    Comments # 26 and # 27 deleted, derails.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #24.2 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:21 PM EDT
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                                    The steam "ovens" are used to cook sardines, salmon, mackerel etc. in the cans.

                                    How in hell he got in there I do not know.

                                    My condolences to the family.

                                    The product was more than likely unaffected since it was already in the cans.

                                    If you ever buy canned salmon or mackerel, next time take a look at the can shape.

                                    It is conical so that it can be put in racks with holes in them and will not fall out.

                                    Once the process is done, the racks are flipped over and the can drops out.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#27 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

                                    boy does it smell good in here. who is that?

                                      Reply#28 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

                                      Comment # 30 deleted for racist derailing.

                                      illinois-2760913, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #28.1 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:22 PM EDT

                                      No offense intended here, Sally, but you seem a bit overly zealous on the scolding and suspending and deleting side of things. I do come to these newsvines to read all kinds of comments. It falls under that tricky little clause known as freedom of speech? Aka The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States? How can I take the pulse of the nation if you keep deleting half of the comments?

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #28.2 - Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

                                      If people would stop being so damn assinine to each other and attempt to have intelligent discussions on the topic at hand without tossing out ridiculous insults, Sally wouldn't have to work so hard.....

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #28.3 - Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:11 PM EDT

                                      Shilodance: Please read the content restrictions. You are on an NBC news website :)

                                      You agreed to the terms and conditions. We all like a good discussion. However, they should be kept civil. I for one am really tired of all the racist comments and the derails. Have a nice day.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #28.4 - Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:28 AM EDT

                                      @shilo: Freedom of Speech applies to your normal day to day life - but does not apply whatsoever when you come to a web site that you don't own.

                                      Does that really need to be explained to you?

                                        #28.5 - Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:18 PM EDT
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                                        I ate my tuna yesterday with chianti and fava beans.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#30 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

                                        Thats funnier than my comment!

                                          Reply#31 - Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:00 PM EDT
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