Folks who choose a 'back door' entry method, or whose parents chose a 'back door' method, MUST accept that they face 'back door' chances. Anything else makes a mockery of the formal (legal) immigration process.

The solution is simple. If you don't qualify, GET OUT.

If you have a dream you need to wake up and put it in action, otherwise it is just a dream. Last time I was at a (free) library there was a lot of books with information on just about everything including GED testing. Giving a GED test in Spanish is the first step in knowing you haven't learned English and are still dreaming.

If some of these people spent as much time learning as they did getting pregnant the problem would disappear.

It seems to me they can wait in line like everybody else trying to get a GED. If they dont get one in time then that really sucks for them. But I'm sure the new rules came about saying they could stay if they HAVE a GED, not if they clog up the system and hurry up and get one.

Either way, if you are an illegal, I wouldn't be overly concerned. The powers that be seem more interested in helping you stay than in sending you off.

Night school at the local high-schools used to be common. But then vocational classes used to be common in public schools too. Now everything is privitized and costs an arm and a leg. How did that happen?

but this admin has sued to states from trying to protect its citizens. I think its disengenuine to say on one hand the supposed record deportations when Obama end runs congress for an amensty and then sues states.

Further Obama and napolitano have recieved no confidence votes from the border patrol and ice unions. IN addition to that we should all know that the record deportations are because of safe communities and so forth that were started in the last administration.

Now if obama did not sue arizona or pass amnsty by executive fiat then this would be a valid argument.

we are under an unarmed invasion with no help from obama. Lock and load people.

Libraries are free, it just takes ambition to use them. If people wait for someone else to do something for them they may as well just keep on dreaming. Life isn't easy for most but it is even more difficult for the lazy with priorities other than learning. Having children should never come before establishing yourself so you can take care of your children.

Illegals get in state tuition in many states. Go to a community college!

I am supposed to feel sorry for a girl who dropped out of school so she could give birth to her anchor baby? And why do people say 'they do the jobs Americans won't do'? Apparently these people want to have 'careers' of some sort, something tells me they aren't talking about picking peaches. Kudos for wanting to better yourself, but don't encroach on our country and break our laws to do it!

"They give a break to people that are going to college or people that are in the military" Why shouldn't someone in the military get a break? I think risking life and limb for our country buys you a pass from getting deported. And who says the college students are paying their tuition? They are eligible for student loans (a debt which is not subject to bankruptcy or other types of forgiveness for the most part) and could be using that to pay for college. So what if they are paying for it out of pocket? It means they have more money than you - welcome to America! There is always going to be someone with more, if you want more - work for it! Don't expect the government to give it to you.

As a former undocumented, I do have to admit to some mixed emotions about the article. I know my situation isn't unique--there ARE other adopted kids suddenly finding themselves labeled as undocumented, many not having known previously that they were adopted.

I also understand I'm incredibly lucky to have been adopted by parents who stayed together, who cared about my education enough to send me to the best private schools, kept on me about my homework and grades and worked closely with my teachers to make sure my grades were kept up and it was these efforts that ultimately got me my art scholarship to college (fortunately Dad and Mom never knew I didn't get a chance to go) and I was never faced with having to drop out of school to get a job to help pay the bills and keep food on the table, so I can't imagine what that was like.

But I also have been through the welfare-to-work programs in my municipality, and if you're on welfare you have the option of going into the GED program if you don't have one (so as to get a higher-paying job) or into a work program to get you a job. (single parents with multiple children are more likely to get approved for that wait list--the reasoning being if you have a lot of kids you need a higher-level education to support the and get them off welfare.) There's a wait list for those free GED classes.

But many of those people who are on the waiting list for the GED program in my municipality aren't waiting because they truly want to get their GED; they just don't want to comply with the work program requirements (20 hours of work in a government office building, 20 hours mandatory volunteer work for an approved nonprofit, and 10 job contacts/interviews a week. You miss any one of those and you're kicked out of the program and benefits are suspended unless you have a documented medical reason.)

So for many the GED waiting list is just a way they can continue to collect welfare without having to turn in those job contacts, do the mandatory volunteer work for the nonprofit and do the 20 hours of unpaid work in a government building to get food stamps and medical assistance. It's a way to sit and collect welfare without putting anything back into the social system that provides those welfare benefits.

So while I don't think undocumenteds should be given those classes free, neither do I think it's fair for citizens to be on the wait list who are only there to take advantage of the system. I think those citizens who are on the wait list just to 'game' the system should be taken off.

Solution: Those undocumenteds who truly WANT to get an education (and not just to qualify for the deferment) should be required to pay half the cost of the program--a paid GED course at our local community college is about $2500 here, so asking them to pay half that cost into the 'Free GED' program would be putting money into the free GED program toward helping USCs who truly WANT to get their GED to get it. it would boost the money coming into the underfunded GED programs, enabling more citizens to get their free GED.

Oh, and these classes should not have tutors who give it in any language other than American English.

The term "undocumented" is annoying, like it's some feelings-saving way of saying "illegal." That's right up there with "pre-owned," as if we wouldn't know it's still a used car.

As for the GED, you're trying to come here illegally and bypass the system, but you don't want to make yourself a valuable member of our society by meeting the bare minimum educational requirements. Go home. It's bad enough we have to deal with our own losers; we don't need other countries'.

Gabriela de Jesus Diaz Bocardo, am I supposed to feel sorry for her? She is an undocumented(illegal) immigrant which makes her a criminal. Going to school for free, dropouts of school to have a baby completely supported by taxpayers and now is upset, at the age of 23, and befuddled that the system funded by taxpayers does not want to pay her to educate herself. Call me insensitive but I just do not feel sorry for plight.

These people are law breakers and that is called illegal.I am truly sorry that they have had to flee their countries in order to find a job or get an education however,we still have high unemployment numbers.In California we are broke from spending our tax dollars on illegals.this has got to stop.No more amnesty etc.Those that came to the U.S. by legal means need to start being more vocal about the illegals getting special treatment as obviously our government doesn't care what it's American born citizens have to say on the subject.This wouldn't even be an issue if all the American aid that we've squandered abroad would have been spent by those countries on their school systems.

sqaure dude...All the illegals deported by Bush and Obama together doubled doesn't put a dent in the problem. Obama stepped up deportation on illegals who have committed crimes in addition to being in the country illegally. This way he can look like he's doing something and the likes of La Raza, MECHA, LULAC, etc can't complain because he's deporting criminals.

What was it Lincoln said? Something like, "You can fool some of the people all of the time...."

It's all smoke and mirrors to make the easily fooled believe something of substance is being done.

You will know a politician is serious about illegal immigration when he/she cracks down on the employers who give them the incentive to come here in the first place.

I really wish people would quit perpetuating the myth (lie) that Obama's been deporting illegals at a record rate. Ask a Border Patrol agent, they'll tell you that Obama's changed the standard (again) to count any immigrant turned away at the border as "deported".

As for the use of the term "undocumented", I suggest that these "undocumented" immigrants go home, look in their desk drawer and find their documents. What? No documents? Then you're ILLEGAL.

So some dumb illegal decided that it would be a good idea to keep a teen pregnancy and drop out of high school. Now this idiot is surprised that shes having a hard time paying for classes for her GED. This brainiac should have thought about her situation before she decided to bring another life into the world. Irresponsible and selfish illegal idiot has just added another leech to the illegal disease that is a cancer to the country. I feel no sympathy for this dumb girl who decided that getting knocked up was more important than an education. The fact that she is illegal is just another slap in the face to society. I feel the same way of any American citizen who pulls this crap too. If you cant support yourself financially, bringing a child into this world is irresponsible and just plain selfish on your part.

The only reason there are job "americans" wont do is because there are illegals willing to do it for almost nothing. If they were not here the wages would be forced higher and americans would then take the jobs. As long as this president continues to give back door amnesty the problem will never go away. This is not just a republican or democrat issue. This is an issue that they both have an equal share in creating.

If you're illegal and a high school dropout, whose fault is that? Now you want a break on GED classes on top of everything else? Give me a break. If you're poor, illegal, and so ill-equipped to function in American society that you can't pass a GED, MAYBE we just don't WANT you. Go home, or get yourself educated and ASSIMILATE.

I actually thought that President Obama's executive order was OK. I am rethinking that thought. I can see making it easier for someone who has fought for this country, earned an education, speaks the language, and has generally participated in the American way of life. If they were brought here by their illegal parents they really had no control. But to all of the sudden accept anyone who can run out and get a GED is not acceptable. We have enough slackers already. How many of you know someone who just barely makes it in life? Or who just isn't really interested in getting a good job? How's their education level? Are they still thinking of maybe getting that GED? If they are legal citizens we will take care of them. Do we need more?

i am fumeing at this comment by the lady in the story

“I want to be enrolled in school, but I can’t find a way … I’m trying my hardest,” said Diaz, who was unable to finish school after giving birth to her son and wants to return.

so she comes here, acts like a tramp, get knocked up and wants American tax payers to fight for her rights as an illegal...

to me this lady is the bulk of exactly how they think...free ride if you reproduce to suck up our resources...so in a way this lady is taking away from two Americans that could use the help first.

Amanda I am sorry for what you went through. But in this case undocumented does mean illegal. I sure there are many stories like your but if you cant prove your standing as a citizen then have no leagl rights under the constitution to do-process. Which mean you are guilty until proven innocent. Just like in france.

just what this country always needed - people too stupid or incompetent in the language or just so plain unmotivated that they can't pass a GED test. The future Obamaphone recipient - and THAT is the America we want in the future. God save us all.

News Flash:...........Washington............The Administration has just issued an executive order that in order to become a US citizen one must be able to demonstrate one of the following

1) Your parents were born somewhere on the planet earth

2) A language common to more than 3 living persons was spoken by your parents.

3) A desire to partake in government assistance, handouts, welfare, entitlements etc.

4) Proof that you are a living or once living person of good or less standing in a country that has a vowel in it's name.

5) That all crimes that you may commit will not include points shaving in a NFL game.

By answering yes to any one of the above questions you will be given automatic citizenship and your first government check.

“I want to be enrolled in school, but I can’t find a way … I’m trying my hardest,” said Diaz, who was unable to finish school after giving birth to her son and wants to return.

Yea, now you want to go to school. I see your priorities; (1) Anchor baby, (2) Go to school.

Hate to be so rash but I'm tired of the US bending over backward for illegal immigrants.

The key hurdle is the educational requirement of the deferred action program. Immigrants must be enrolled in school, graduated from high school or have served in the military, and if they haven't, they'll need to get a GED, the equivalent of a high school degree, or enroll in an education, literacy, or career training program . . .

Between 320,000 and 350,000 of the 1.7 million undocumented immigrants who are potentially eligible for deferred action are impacted by the education requirement, according to estimates from the Migration Policy Institute and the Pew Hispanic Center. They are 16 and older and do not have a high school diploma or GED, and are not currently enrolled in school.

In just reading this infuriating story, you realize how desperately low the bar has been set by the Obama Administration's rewards-and-special-treatment-for-lawbreaking-program. You can be a dumb as dirt and obtain a high school diploma. These ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS, who dropped out of American-taxpayer financed high school are complaining that they have to obtain a GED. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY REPRESENHENSIBLE. La Raza wants for there to be no requirements for granting amnesty.

We need to enforce our laws and grant permission to come to the United States to those who: (1) comply with our immigration laws, (2) are smart, (3) are educated, and (4) who demonstrate that they will not waste taxpayer resources and become a burden upon the American taxpayer--- unlike these 350,000 high-school-drop-out-immigration-lawbreakers and leeches who are unable to meet even the minimum educational standards. This is the lowest of the low--- THE OPPOSITE OF "THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST."

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

First, control the border. Stop new illegals, drugs, whatever from coming in. Second, dealing with all the illegals here and their families (some are legal as they were born here) is a tiny bit easier to do. just a tiny bit. But as long as the border is a revolving door we have no chance of reaching a day when we can control what goes on here. All the rest of it is blind people thrashing around in a maze looking for the exit - not going to happen. Control the border, then let's talk.

All illegals need to be picked up and deported, all of them and send their anchor babies with them. They are ruining our country. BTW, when are they going to deport Obama's illegal Aunt and illegal Uncle?

This system was created so that the brightest of the illegals could stay over here, since they were giving into the system and bringing over intelligence that even our own people didn't show. Sadly, this article is showing the same whiny, useless folk this system was meant to get rid of begging to be given some form of amnesty, or be given the chances they threw away. The majority are likely in gangs, or are useless to us in every way, and yet they feel the deserve the chance to stay even though they don't qualify.

Personally, my fear is they'll find some way to stay even though they're useless, welfare-clinging dredges to society. That or they'll be granted the all encompassing amnesty they're all seeking. I kind of liked this system honestly, since it supposedly keeps the smart ones that went out and got an education, like the doctors and such. Unfortunately, we can't get that money and time back that they stole from the hands of our actual citizens, and it's better to keep them here than throw all that back over the border where they'll use their American Education in Mexico, rather than America.

As for these bums? Build a catapult and fling them back over the border. They don't qualify, they're lazy, they're uneducated, they never attempted to use our system to better themselves, and likely are even part of what's making it worse. You know the type. The ones that demand all our menus and such be in spanish so they don't have to learn english, pumping out anchor/welfare babies, laughing as they live in Government-granted homes while an American family lives out on the street.

On it said:

If some of these people spent as much time learning as they did getting pregnant the problem would disappear.

Back when many of your parents and grandparents emigrated, it was through Ellis Island or one of those immigration stations before or just after WWII. I've talked to my husband's grandfather, a Polish immigrant who came over just after WWI. Back then, in order to emigrate, you showed up with your paperwork, a list of your skills and what you could contribute to American society. If you knew someone already here, it helped, but it was not necessary.

Today, if you don't have an employer or close family member to sponsor you in, you can't come in. It's become all about 'who you know' rather than 'what you can contribute'.

It seems to me that a good chunk of our illegal immigration problems could be solved if we rescinded the rule that 'you can only come if you know someone already here.'

People sneak across the border and have a child on American soil, then sneak back across once the child is grown and wait for the child to sponsor them in just so they can have that 'close family tie' that will allow them to immigrate. Without this rule the incentive to have those 'anchor babies' won't be there, and it wouldn't involve having to repeal the Constitution's 14th amendment 'jus soli' rule.

A lot of people's frustration with immigration is the wait times--it can take up to 16 years to process paperwork for those who do enter legally, and I've heard people say as long as 20 years. Two decades. And what may be holding them up a lot of the time is Immigration trying to trace the relation between the sponsor and the applicant--in countries with poor or no record-keeping, countries who have suffered natural disasters, countries where the applicant is poor and/or elderly and there were no electronic records when they were born, conflict countries where coups are common and government changes frequently, or countries who don't have good relations with the US, tracing the relationship between applicant and sponsor can be difficult if not impossible, and also be time-consuming and costly.

Allowing immigration based on your skills worked. It helped the US become a world leader, a world power. We attracted the best and brightest, the innovators and thinkers, scientists and artists, all the greatest minds left in the shambles of Europe after WWI and as a result, we were the deciding factor in turning the tide of the war in WWII. The nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that effectively ended WWII was built here in America by a multi-national team of scientists and engineers, and while the bomb wasn't one of the brightest moments in our history, the discovery and research of peacetime applications for nuclear technology have fueled our country (and planet) for the last half-century.

I guess my point is; the old way WORKED. The new way, people allowed in based solely on who you know instead of what you can contribute--doesn't. What do we have to lose from trying a return to what worked?

I'd love to hear what America thinks about this solution. Do you agree? Why? Or why not? Does it make sense?

Sethr said:

Amanda I am sorry for what you went through. But in this case undocumented does mean illegal. I sure there are many stories like your

Thank you for the sentiment.

but if you cant prove your standing as a citizen then have no leagl rights under the constitution to do-process.

Actually the Constitution says 'No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process.' It doesn't make the distinction between citizen, non-citizen, illegal or undocumented, it simply says 'No person'.

I fine it entertaining how everyone states this president has deported more illegals than any other since most deported are already back in the States. Until our borders are properly protected from invaders the whole topic is moot.

Allright, most of the arguments here are tired and sad, and non-applicable to the discussion

Amanda - we've seen you a few times and your situation is heartbreaking. Most of the undocumented applying through these programs are from Mexico, and did not enter the country legally.

Everyone else - that being said, these are youths who qualify through the new program, only for ones who were very young and brought over by their parents (a crime committed by their parents, not by them), making them undocumented immigrants, not illegal immigrants. Their parents would be illegal.

Also - the program is not amnesty, it is a 2 year deferred deportation process. This actually means they're registering with the government, they are in UCSIC databases, they will be eligible for either deportation or further citizenship pathways within two years, and most importantly ... ahem... THEY WILL HAVE LEGAL STATUS IN THIS COUNTRY. No more handouts, no more being paid under the table, contributing to taxes, social security, etc. etc. All the crap that you guys have wanted for a long time.

To the jackass straight up racists on these boards, saying these like "stupid illegals dropping anchor babies" (disproved statement, by the way), "the majority are in gangs, and/or are useless to us in every way", you guys can go impregnate yourselves with a splintered broom handle. Screw your racist remarks.

These are kids who were brought here through no choice of their own, this country is the only life they've ever known, they're not being shown amnesty, but they're being given an opportunity to at least not be labelled "illegal" for short time, in exchange for proving their desire to be a productive member of society by completing education requirements, learning English, etc. etc. These should probably be the ones we want to keep.

To everyone else making this an political issue. Ahem - yes, Obama has deported many more than Bush did. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/27/obama-is-deporting-more-immigrants-than-bush-republicans-dont-think-thats-enough/.

To the few idiots that claimed that illegal immigration has increased under Obama (I think the quote was, every person deported, 3 more come), you're full of crap and illegal immigration has decreased incredibly fast in the past four years... we're now at 1971 levels. http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20120917-sharp-drop-in-illegal-crossers-notwithstanding-border-industrial-complex-keeps-growing

To the one fantastic idiot who stated that "Well, Obama is only deported the criminals and ones with gang ties to please La Raza". I say, calmly, WHO IN THE F!@#$BALLS ELSE WOULD YOU RATHER HE DEPORT, YOUR GODDAMN LANDSCAPER? Sorry, I thought the fact that deportations of criminals and gangsters would be a good thing, but noooo... apparently it's a big socialist plot to...f!#@$ I don't know, make way for white gangster... who in the hell knows your reasoning anymore.

ahhh. In summary - racists and xenophobes, go back inside and gauge your eyes out with spoons. Everyone else - this program is not bad. I'm an immigrant from Canada, my wife is an immigrant from Mexico, we both are citizens, did everything legally, it was hard, and it was expensive. I don't like people who come here who skip the legal immigration process because "it's too hard", because... I know, I did it. However, the kids who've been here their whole lives... sure, I don't mind giving them a fighting chance.

Peace

DKJ-4 - again, look up the references I quoted. Your statement is absolutely full of crap, which makes sense, considering where you pulled it from.

"If some of these people spent as much time learning as they did getting pregnant the problem would disappear."

30 seconds? Well, thats not gonna help.

Drezz - nice

heaven help they teach actual sex ed. in high school, though, righties? Heaven knows your God wouldn't want these people to actually use birth control... what's it you call it, the devil's tik-tacs?

Travis, they all know about sex ed. They also have all been taught in church that pre-marital sex is wrong. They also have had free health care. THEY WANT BABIES. Gets them their own welfare, free from mamacita.

Rachel, right, because the good christian kids in church never have sex. Sorry Catholics - I don't think there's THAT many immaculate conceptions going on.

Also, welfare is more difficult to get then you think. If you're illegal, you can't get benefits.

More whining and crying from the illegal criminals. They break the law and expect to be rewarded????? If I commit a crime, I'm going to prison, illegals commit a crime and expect someone to throw them a "welcome to America" party, a free GED AND citizenship! Also, I read where Amanda is playing the semantics game by calling illegal criminals "stateless". Oh, they have a state alright, and they need to hurry back to it. Illegals = hell to the NO!!!!!

The government would be a lot better off if they simply protected our southern border instead of chasing ragheads in faraway places for decades.

MENTALLY RETARDED?......

NEED A BATH?....

PUSHING DRUGS?....

HAVE A DISEASE?......

CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH?.........

NO PROBLEMO!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA.....LA RAZA's PUPPET has PRE-APPOVED all LATINOS for US CITIZENSHIP!!!!!!

" If you're illegal, you can't get benefits"

Oh stop lying Travis. You lefties sure like to spew the lying liberal talking points! Illegals can and do get loads of benefits. As a matter of fact, in our liberal cesspool of a state, they get to move to the front of the line. And of course, no ID required. That would be discriminatory according to the lawsuits filed on their behalf. Free health care (where do you think they drop those anchor babies? In their cars? duh), free education for anchor babies who then swamp many of our school districts, they have their rent vouchers, they get EBT cards, state funded non-profit assistance like you wouldn't believe....I could go on and on.

Travis, I'm against "good Christians" having babies on welfare, too. AND NEWSFLASH: Catholics, like these undocumented welfare-sucking illegals, are Christian, too.

Hello? When you have your anchor baby, you get welfare.

Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe I'm just cruel, I don't know... Did we pay for the educations they turned their backs on the first time? How many of them are dropouts from American schools where taxpayers have already tried to educate them once (and they lowered our test scores), who now want their GEDs in order to qualify for this temporary amnesty program? If I understand this article properly, they want us to pay for that education too, now that they think it might get them a free pass--not to better themselves, but so that they don't have to worry about deportation for two years--and they are complaining because the requirements give preferential treatment to kids who actually stayed in school and graduated and went on the college, and/or joined the military? And they want for citizens to have to get in line behind them too? They don't seem to realize that they are the "poorest of the poor" because that's the life they chose. And don't give me some sob story! I know people who work and go to school, even today in this selfish, entitled society! EVERYONE has their problems. You either struggle through or you don't. That's your choice. Man, sometimes it's hard not to ask where the heck is my check for my troubles since everyone else seems to be getting one.

"if you're illegal, you can't get benefits"

LIE

BHO's aunt lives in my beautiful city of Boston and was only granted asylum after her nephew was elected president. She herself admits that she was getting welfare money from the state before she was granted asylum. Barry's aunt is a perfect example of how illegals leech off the taxpayers.

@jac-931625,

Just a little something to mess with your head........I'm a lefty, a die-hard, far left leaning liberal til I die and beyond BUT I am firmly against illegals and any and all manner of support for them. Also it will take the resolve of ALL people who are against these criminals to unify for the greater good to stop this madness. After that, we can just go back to verbally beating one another up. Illegals = hell to the NO!!!!

Travis said;

Amanda - we've seen you a few times and your situation is heartbreaking. Most of the undocumented applying through these programs are from Mexico, and did not enter the country legally.

First, thank you for your comments. Secondly; yes, I understand my story is not typical and things have been getting fairer for adopted children since president Obama took office but there's still a ways to go in making things fair for EVERYBODY.

Also - the program is not amnesty, it is a 2 year deferred deportation process. This actually means they're registering with the government, they are in UCSIC databases, they will be eligible for either deportation or further citizenship pathways within two years, and most importantly ... ahem... THEY WILL HAVE LEGAL STATUS IN THIS COUNTRY. No more handouts, no more being paid under the table, contributing to taxes, social security, etc. etc.

THANK YOU!!! Those are points that many people seem to have not gotten about the deferment. It doesn't guarantee that they will have citizenship at the end--in fact it pretty much guarantees that they won't qualify, EVER, because they've admitted they are illegal. At best they might be granted permanent residency at the end of the two-year period, depending on the policies of whoever is in office at the time and what Congress decides, but I very much doubt they will ever be granted 'citizenship'.

These are kids who were brought here through no choice of their own, this country is the only life they've ever known, they're not being shown amnesty, but they're being given an opportunity to at least not be labelled "illegal" for short time, in exchange for proving their desire to be a productive member of society by completing education requirements, learning English, etc. etc. These should probably be the ones we want to keep.

They may be granted deferment, but they acknowledge that they were brought here illegally, and if so it was likely their parents who brought them in this deferment doesn't apply to the parents of these kids, so they know that in filing for the deferment for themselves they've exposed their parents as illegals and those parents could be deported. They know this and yet it is more important to them to become legal and have the privilege of paying taxes than for their parents to stay.

I don't like people who come here who skip the legal immigration process because "it's too hard", because... I know, I did it.

And I did too, spent three years in deportation looking for the paper that would give me the right to once again call myself an American without getting hit or kicked or spit on. I am just as disgusted at the border-jumpers and those who came here to deal drugs and not contribute constructively to society, but there are also those who came here illegally who do deserve pity and help-there was a woman in the deportation camp with me, Rwandan, was captured by warlords and sold to human traffickers, then bought by a citizen who them trafficked her into the US so he could make child porn with her she was 12 when he trafficked her in;she was 17 when he turned her out because she was pregnant and too old for his ass anymore, and she wound up in deportation because she was illegal and spoke no English. I would advocate for amnesty for her, since her coming here was not her choice or her fault and if she went back pregnant or with a baby she would have been stoned in her home country as an adulteress/prostitute/fornicator.

Amanda, that Rwandan woman would have right to claim amnesty through the laws that are already on the books.

I live in California where the Governor just passed a state law requiring universities...(not high schools) to GIVE STATE AID to ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Screw you if you think ILLEGAL ALIENS are not draining on our systems and tax dollars. Oh and the Mayor of Los Angeles was in the paper just YESTERDAY trying to pass a law to give them STATE FUNDED CREDIT CARDS.

Feel free to debate me... If you want the links just go look them up...your not getting my money or news links. Just Google los angeles and illegal aliens.

FYI - Los Angeles alone is home to more then 4.5 million illegal aliens. Even the Mayor touts those numbers out like it is a GOOD THING.

California is so far in debt for TWO DECADES NOW they can barely balance a budget here and only with EXTREME financial twisting when it does pass.

@travis

yes illegals can get benefits! i have personally stood in line behind mexicans who have 3 carts full of food and when its time to pay they whip out their food stamp card. how do i know they are illegal? because when the clerk says "swipe your card" and they look around to see if any of the other mexicans with them understood those 3 words, then they obviously cannot speak any english! and lord when its time for them to put in their pin number i honestly have to yell out "uno , dose , trace, quatro" and you can see the light bulb over their heads go off! so dont say they cannot get benefits , because they absolutely can and do! i have also seen them at the doctors office waiving their medical cards around, and all the health point clinic close to where i live has nurses that speak spanish to be able to deal with mexicans. yes they do get benefits and the people who pay taxes are the ones who feed them and pay for their health care. and also pay for their anchor babies to be born ! yeah they will do the jobs americans wont do as mr bush said, and that aint bad work if you can get it...

Sandie said:

Also, I read where Amanda is playing the semantics game by calling illegal criminals "stateless". Oh, they have a state alright, and they need to hurry back to it.

Actually 'stateless' is a legal international term dating back about half a century for people having no documentation. I am an example, having been abandoned as an infant with no documentation in a country that had not signed the 1961 UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness and so did not confer citizenship on foundling infants. here's what Wikipedia says on 'statelssness':

A stateless person is someone who is "not considered as a national by any state under the operation of its law".In other words, a stateless person has no citizenship or nationality. As a matter of international law, citizenship and nationality are congruous, although there may be differences between the two concepts in domestic law.

The causes of statelessness around the world are numerous. In most cases, there is an underlying issue of discrimination – usually on the basis of race or ethnicity, religion, or sex. In many cases, statelessness affects entire minority populations that have never been recognized as nationals of the state where they are habitually resident. Statelessness caused in part or whole by ethnic discrimination is often handed down from one generation to the next.

Conflict of nationality laws can be another cause of statelessness. Nationality is usually acquired through one of two modes: jus soli or jus sanguinis. Jus soli denotes a regime by which nationality is acquired through birth on the territory of the state. This is common in the Americas. Jus sanguinis on the other hand is a regime by which nationality is acquired from birth through descent – usually through a parent who is a national. Today, many states apply a combination of the two systems.

Although many states allow for acquisition of nationality through parental descent irrespective of where the child is born, many still do not allow their female citizens to confer nationality to their children. This may result in statelessness where the father is stateless, unknown, or otherwise unable to confer nationality. There have however been recent changes in favor of gender neutrality in nationality laws in some parts of the world. Moreover, the Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women prohibits sex discrimination in conferral of nationality.

An important measure to avoid statelessness at birth is to provide nationality to children born on the territory who would otherwise be stateless. This norm is stipulated in the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. It also appears in several regional human rights treaties, including the American Convention on Human Rights, the European Convention on Nationality, and the African Charter on the Rights and Welfare of the Child. This norm is implicit in the Convention on the Rights of the Child.^[8]

In rare cases, individuals may become stateless when renouncing their citizenship (e.g. "World Citizen" Garry Davis). People who subscribe to voluntaryist or agorist beliefs may desire or seek statelessness. However, many states do not allow citizens to renounce their nationality unless they acquire another one. However, consular officials are unlikely to be familiar with all citizenship laws of all countries, so there may still be situations where renunciation leads to statelessness.

A final cause of statelessness are non-state territories. As per the definition of a stateless person, only states can have nationals. As a result, people who are “citizens” of non-state territories are stateless. This includes, for instance, occupied territories where statehood has ceased to exist or never emerged in the first place. The Palestinian Territories is one example, but also Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus may be considered as such, depending on the interpretation of statehood and sovereignty.

While statelessness has existed for several centuries, the international community has only been concerned with its eradication since the mid-1900s. In 1954 the United Nations adopted the Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons, which provides a framework for protection of stateless persons. Seven years later, the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness was adopted, which contains provisions to prevent and reduce statelessness.

In addition, a range of regional and international human rights treaties guarantee a right to nationality, with special protections for certain groups including stateless persons. For examples, states bound by the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child are obligated to ensure that every child acquires a nationality.The Convention requires states to implement this provision in particular where the child would otherwise be stateless, and in a manner that is in the best interests of the child.

Amanda - like most, you are completely ignorant of the Constitution. While the phrase 'no person shall be deprived . . .' seems to apply to all persons located here - there is a huge exception. Its known as the border exception wherein persons seeking admission or who are here without permission [such as undocumented persons or those overstaying legal visas] are not entitled to the same protections that citizens and legal non-citizens possess when it comes to their status and being here in the country. You are NOT entitled to Constitutional due process protections of you are being detained for your border violation. Thats why people can be summarily ejected and deported after capture. Thus, if you are detained for being here illegally - you are not entitled to the same due process you would be entitled to have if you were a citizen or legal non-citizen resident or visitor.

You really need actually pay attention in civics class - though I'm sure the liberal classrooms don't teach that anymore.

Here is a rule to live by that the Navy taught us all in Officer Candidate School - when you are in someone else's country you are a guest. ACT LIKE IT. If you are not a citizen of the United States, you are guest. You are here with tacit permission of those who own the nation. ACT LIKE IT.

Next, the US Senate has not ratified the United Nations conventions you speak about - so they are not law in the US.

Keep trying.,

lu said:

Amanda, that Rwandan woman would have right to claim amnesty through the laws that are already on the books.

She tried, but the laws that were in place at the time that she was picked up for being illegal said that sh could apply for amnesty based on the fact that she was trafficked ONLY IF SHE HAD A POLICE REPORT DOCUMENTING THE ABUSE. She did not have that. The word of an illegal isn't taken over the word of a USC, you have to have documented evidence from a law enforcement agency.

The laws have been changed a bit since then, but it didn't make any difference to her, she committed suicide in the deportation camp after she had her baby and learned the baby would stay and she would be deported.

Math problems for ILLEGALS:

Last week you smuggled in 5 kilos of heroin. Your momma just got arrested for selling burritos without a license. How much of the 5 kilos must you sell to get her a lawyer?

Governor JERRY BROWN of California (DEM) signed this....recently.

THE CALIFORNIA DREAM ACT - http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jerry-Brown-signs-Dream-Act-for-illegal-immigrants-2327890.php

That is where your STATE and FEDERAL money goes people... to ILLEGALS GOING TO COLLEGE ON YOUR DIME

Hows that for you ILLEGAL LOVERS?... great I am sure.

If all of these issues you talk about are true, then why did you come here? Two years looking for a paper, tells me volumes.. Poor me...Come in legally, its amazing how things work out so well.

Our School system is so broken because of you and yours.. We are very angry because we have to pay for you and the likes. Our economy is at the breaking point and you want us to hand out more money to ILLEGALS. I don't think so.

Menoseeno

Math problems for ILLEGALS:

Last week you smuggled in 5 kilos of heroin. Your momma just got arrested for selling burritos without a license. How much of the 5 kilos must you sell to get her a lawyer?

Depends............where the Burritos laced with heroin?

The government’s new program offering young undocumented immigrants a reprieve from deportation presents an opportunity but.....

Where the hell did this come from???? When did our House, Senate, and P.O.S. POTUS write, pass, and sign legislation to do this??? Why is it my G.D. problem to educate these people? Why should I be paying for it? Was this another Odumbo executive order or what????

Amanda- citing a source that is not factual is not a good argument. As far as any future who the heck said it was easy, you got your foot in the door now figure it out. That is what citizenship is about, becoming part of the mainstream. I laugh at my good fortune at having been born here but I also served 22 years in the military. I went to school and got my diploma being one of two who graduated in a family of ten. My sisters went and got their GED while working full time jobs and going to school at night while raising their kids. Three of five went on to college. I have friends who went through the process of getting on the waiting list and following the rules with one who it took fourteen years and lots of money to become a citizen. None of these people I know were rich yet they worked it out. It is time to quit complaining and get at it. The door has been opened, now is the time to walk through it but nobody said it was going to be easy. Good luck

Going to school for free, dropouts of school to have a baby completely supported by taxpayers and now is upset, at the age of 23, and befuddled that the system funded by taxpayers does not want to pay her to educate herself. Call me insensitive but I just do not feel sorry for plight.

Plight? This is entirely self-inflicted. No need to worry, you're not insensitive, you're intelligent.

Personally, I have a ton of fun hanging around these testing centers. A couple years ago, I bought a decommissioned city bus. Now I hang around these places, handing out what I claim to be "GED Testing Center Passes" - turns out they're just tickets to get on to my big blue bus.

Next Stop: Mexico City!

Comanchedriver said:

Amanda - like most, you are completely ignorant of the Constitution. While the phrase 'no person shall be deprived . . .' seems to apply to all persons located here - there is a huge exception. Its known as the border exception wherein persons seeking admission or who are here without permission [such as undocumented persons or those overstaying legal visas] are not entitled to the same protections that citizens and legal non-citizens possess when it comes to their status and being here in the country. You are NOT entitled to Constitutional due process protections of you are being detained for your border violation. Thats why people can be summarily ejected and deported after capture. Thus, if you are detained for being here illegally - you are not entitled to the same due process you would be entitled to have if you were a citizen or legal non-citizen resident or visitor.

But there was no border violation. I was not brought here illegally, my parents legally adopted me, filed all the paperwork and paid the fees. The fact that I was legal for the first 18 years of my life was never in question. The fact that I had a BC issued in a US municipality (with my adoptive parents'names on it) a legal SS card, and a legal DL got me through 12 grades of school, was legal for my parents to list me as their dependent on taxes, and enough to get me my art scholarship to college. If these are not sufficient to prove I am 'legal' what are you natural-born citizens going to do because this is all you have?

Next, the US Senate has not ratified the United Nations conventions you speak about - so they are not law in the US.

Exactly. Which is why I was stateless, by virtue being n abandoned infant in a country that had not signed and ratified the UN conventions.

And because the US hasn't signed that, I couldn't apply for my freedom under those UN conventions. My only way of gaining freedom was to find the adoption paper. However, just because the US has not ratified the Convention it does not mean we don't acknowledge the existence of stateless people.

Amanda,My family was already here,Arapajo and Cherokee Indian.I have no sympathy for your plight or those of the illegals.My ancestors,many of them,were slaughtered in their own country.My other ancestors came here legally from Switzerland,Ireland,England and Holland.Nobody handed them a darn thing and they did not expect it.They worked hard,learned English and raised their families to be self sufficient as the many generations that followed.My Mother always preached to us,"When in Rome do AS the Romans Do." That means that when you come to America be an American.

Jean said:

If all of these issues you talk about are true, then why did you come here? Two years looking for a paper, tells me volumes.. Poor me...Come in legally, its amazing how things work out so well.

I came here because my parents decided to adopt me as an infant . I had no choice in the matter and did not know i was adopted until I was 18. And I did come here legally, my parents paid for all my paperwork, adopted me legally. Things didn't 'work out so well' because I was adopted back in the dark ages when stuff was still being done by paper, there were no computers and papers went missing all the time, and the government decided to penalize me for them losing one of my papers.

Amanda,

Not sure what to think of you. If I had to guess, you probably work directly for MSNBC and try to keep the people interested in posting back and forth. Not sure.

One thing is for sure, you mentioned the constitution way above saying;

Actually the Constitution says 'No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process.' It doesn't make the distinction between citizen, non-citizen, illegal or undocumented, it simply says 'No person'."

The Constitution is made in America and is appointed toward American citizens. Whatever Country you're in at the time, their laws you abide by.

Either you work for MSNBC or you have too much time on your hands. I've read many of your posts and honestly, if anyone has been through what you've been (as per your stories) they probably live within Disney Worlds Technicolor (Cartoon).

Lastly, what drives me (and other people) crazy is when people copy, paste, and start out by saying "So and So said: Then have to read their story then your comment about their story. Yeah, it gets old.

Have a nice day...

CD

El Obama es muy, muy bien.

CITIZENCHIP FOR ALL

Amanda,You said that you had a scholarship to college,so my question is,"Did you complete college?"and if so,"Why aren't you employed?" Your posts read like the next lengthy boring American novel. You can collapse my post all you like but I really do not believe what you are posting to be true.

Irvmani said:

Amanda- citing a source that is not factual is not a good argument.

Okay then here are the technical, legal explanations on what a stateless person is from the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR);

Article 1(1) of the 1954 Convention sets out the definition of a stateless person as follows:“For the purpose of this Convention, the term “stateless person” means a person who is notconsidered as a national by any State under the operation of its law.”

Article 1(1) of the 1954 Convention is to be interpreted in line with the ordinary meaning ofthe text, read in context and bearing in mind the treaty’s object and purpose.5 As indicated inits preamble and in the Travaux Préparatoires, the object and purpose of the 1954Convention is to ensure that stateless persons enjoy the widest possible exercise of theirhuman rights.6 The drafters intended to improve the position of stateless persons byregulating their status. As a general rule, possession of a nationality is preferable torecognition and protection as a stateless person. Therefore, in seeking to ensure that allthose who fall within the 1954 Convention’s reach benefit from its provisions, it is important torecognise and respect an individual’s nationality status.7. Article 1(1) applies in both migration and non-migration contexts. A stateless person maynever have crossed an international border, having lived in the same country for his or herentire life. Some stateless persons, however, may also be refugees or persons eligible forcomplementary protection.7 Those stateless persons who fall within the scope of the 1951Convention will be entitled to protection under that instrument, a matter discussed further inthe Status Guidelines.8. Persons who fall within the scope of Article 1(1) of the 1954 Convention are sometimesreferred to as “de jure” stateless persons even though the term is not used in the Conventionitself. By contrast, reference is made in the Final Act of the 1961 Convention to “de facto”stateless persons. Unlike Article 1(1) stateless persons, the term de facto statelessness is notdefined in any international instrument and there is no treaty regime specific to this categoryof persons (the reference in the Final Act of the 1961 Convention being limited and nonbindingin nature).8 Care must be taken that those who qualify as “stateless persons” underArticle 1(1) of the 1954 Convention are recognised as such and not mistakenly referred to asde facto stateless persons as otherwise they may fail to receive the protection guaranteedunder the 1954 Convention. These Guidelines address interpretive issues regarding theArticle 1(1) definition of stateless persons, yet avoid qualifying them as de jure statelesspersons as that term appears nowhere in the treaty itself.

If you'd disagree that the UN Refugee Agency is not a factual agency and there is no such thing as a stateless person then I can find you other definitions from Refugees International, UNTreaty.org, GSDRC, UN.org, and the Department of International Law in Washington DC.

I had absolutely no idea that there are people who have never heard of 'stateless' people before.

Amanda, BULL@!$%#. If you were legally adopted by legal Americans, you HAVE citizenship. Unless your parents were lazy and careless if you turned 18 before 2000 and they didn't bother applying. After 2000? See below:

Child Citizenship Act

It is important to ensure that your adopted child becomes a U.S. citizen. If you postpone documenting or obtaining your child's citizenship, later he or she may have difficulty getting college scholarships, working legally, voting, and enjoying other rights and privileges. In some cases, the child might even be subject to deportation. Act now to safeguard your child's rights and future.

The Child Citizenship Act of 2000 was designed to make acquisition of U.S. citizenship easier and to eliminate extra steps and costs. Under the Child Citizenship Act, children adopted abroad automatically acquire U.S. citizenship if:

At least one of the child's parents is a U.S. citizen;
The child is under 18;

• The child lives in the legal and physical custody of the American citizen parent;
• The child is admitted into the United States as an immigrant for lawful permanent residence; and
• The adoption is final.

Because of the Child Citizenship Act, many parents no longer need to apply separately for a child's naturalization

Millions of Americans are out of work, and some retard says the Mexicans do the jobs we wont. I say B.S. There are millions of Americans out there who would love to have the jobs the Mexicans have taken.

justacleaninglady said:

Amanda,You said that you had a scholarship to college,so my question is,"Did you complete college?"

No, I never had a chance to go--I was civilly detained by ICE/DHS the summer I graduated high school. the three years I should have been in college are the three years I was in civil detention.

and if so,"Why aren't you employed?"

I currently do have a job, fortunately--i'm a biometrics techncian, I take fingerprints for medical licenses, and I'm on here answering posts right now because our machine is down and I'm waiting for the tech guys to fix it.

Your posts read like the next lengthy boring American novel. You can collapse my post all you like but I really do not believe what you are posting to be true.

I have not collapsed or voted down any of your posts. I've done my best to answer you calmly, rationally and logically.

Amanda-2017567 said:

lu said:

Amanda, that Rwandan woman would have right to claim amnesty through the laws that are already on the books.

She tried, but the laws that were in place at the time that she was picked up for being illegal said that sh could apply for amnesty based on the fact that she was trafficked ONLY IF SHE HAD A POLICE REPORT DOCUMENTING THE ABUSE. She did not have that. The word of an illegal isn't taken over the word of a USC, you have to have documented evidence from a law enforcement agency.

The laws have been changed a bit since then, but it didn't make any difference to her, she committed suicide in the deportation camp after she had her baby and learned the baby would stay and she would be deported.

Amanda, I'm going to call BS on this. I'm sorry, but if the Rwandan told them her story (and her story were true), they had an obligation to investigate the crime (it was a crime, human trafficking, child porn and child prostitution, even back then I suspect) or at the very least to give her the opportunity to file the police report in order that the abuse would be documented (something she should have done in the first place), at which point she would have been capable of pointing the authorities to a whole ring of baby-rapists, and she would have saved potentially hundreds of lives, been a true hero and definitely been granted amnesty. Either you're not telling the whole truth or she wasn't. Did you ever think that maybe she sold herself into slavery or her parents did in order to get to the US where life would be better, even being sexually abused for years, than it would have been in her home country? It happens, not that it makes the situation any more tolerable. As far as the authorities keeping her baby and sending her back, that just doesn't pass the sniff test at all. Most likely, she chose to put her child up for adoption and then committed suicide because she didn't want to go back or perhaps she committed suicide in order that her baby COULD stay, because otherwise they would both go back to Rwanda--Death was a better prospect, because Rwanda is a terrible, terrible place.

The question though is how your case or the case of a child trafficked in has any bearing on a case where parents brought the child across the border and they lived for years illegally at the expense of the system. And they did live illegally at the expense of the system, I know, because I see it first hand, daily. All children qualify for benefits, and even women qualify for benefits being illegal if, like your Rwandan, they have documented proof of abuse. They go to school for free. They work under the table without paying taxes (and this will not stop when they are granted temporary status, I promise, because there are many illegals who are living better than I am working under the table, and nobody's interested in stopping them because I think bureaucrats don't actually like working--at least not here where I live). Your case is your case. You were here legally as an adopted child. Your papers disappeared (the courts should have had records that were easily obtainable). These kids don't have papers. They are illegal. Their cases are their cases, and we shouldn't feel sorry for them on the basis of your case.

If my father robbed a bank and gave me the money, should I be allowed to keep it under any circumstances, more especially should I be allowed to keep it just because I was used to the lifestyle it afforded me?

If my mother killed someone, should they keep her out of prison just because she has a child at home?

hardtostarboard

The government’s new program offering young undocumented immigrants a reprieve from deportation presents an opportunity but.....

Where the hell did this come from???? When did our House, Senate, and P.O.S. POTUS write, pass, and sign legislation to do this??? Why is it my G.D. problem to educate these people? Why should I be paying for it? Was this another Odumbo executive order or what????

hardtostarboard - your P.O.S. POTUS (as you call him) did this by ordering the DHS to grant certain groups of illegal aliens deferred action status so he could pander for the Hispanic/Latino vote. In addition he also is giving them work permits so they can compete for jobs with you, and the 23 million under-employed and un-employed Americans.

lu, if that Rwandan woman's baby was born here: ANCHOR BABY.

But besides, we cannot make policy on the basis of individual sob stories, no matter how touching.

Wow, but there is a lot of donkey molesting retards on these boards. I'll pick my favorite

dscott15-3513026

how do i know they are illegal? because when the clerk says "swipe your card" and they look around to see if any of the other mexicans with them understood those 3 words, then they obviously cannot speak any english! and lord when its time for them to put in their pin number i honestly have to yell out "uno , dose , trace, quatro" and you can see the light bulb over their heads go off!

Ok, so your theory is because they speak Spanish, or aren't fluent in English, they're automatically illegal. Impressive. So anyone speaking a foreign language must be illegal... we have an awful lot of work, considering that 20% of the US population speak a language other than English at home.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20070912/PC1602/309129945

Not just Spanish, but over 300 different languages. To all the idiot xenophobes who make assumptions about their fellow, please self-deport. Go back to England, Ireland, or wherever your ancestors are from, because I guess we'll just say ... hmm... you don't look native American. You must be illegal!

FYI - the USA is a melting pot of hundreds of language, cultures, and peoples. Just because they're not white or speak a different language than you doesn't make you better than them.

You guys need to stop believing your own bullsh!t.

Also, all your anecdotal stories about seeing people that look Mexican receiving benefits does not change the fact that unless you are a US Citizen, you cannot receive Welfare Benefits. I'm not referring to their kids born here, or to medicare, or to anything else besides the fact you guys are stating that Illegal Immigrants receive Welfare and Federal Rent Subsidies. They... do... not. Shut the hell up.

The fact is, unless you are a US citizen, you cannot legally collect welfare benefits.

John Doe,

What he means is a Mexican guy will work "very hard" for $3.00 h an hour. No American guy is going to do that. You have a valid point but you have these small landscaping businesses who pay these Mexican guys dirt cheap.

The Mexican guys will team up and rent an apartment and put 12 of them in one apartment. 12 x $3.00 hr is $36.00 and hr cash under the table. (no taxes) They'll put in like 50hrs a week and combined that's $1,800.00 a week. $7,200.00 a month! Rent us under $1,000.00 a month leaving $6,200.00 for food, utilities etc...

1 American dollar is equal to 10.5 Pesos over there so they also send $ home to their families. It actually starts with the scumbag business man that pays cash under the table & hires illegal immigrants.

Travis:

There are a plethora of rules regarding battered persons who are eligible to receive benefits because of their abuse. Furthermore, all illegals are eligible for emergency medicaid. Please read:

It's not just Mexicans.

Estados Unidos ... ¿Por qué no me dan las cosas gratis como tu pobre conseguirlo? Esta es la tierra de los libres! Vengo a vivir el sueño americano de la gratuidad!

I am a born in the USA citizen and have no desire to try and learn another language so I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Press 1 to continue in English, for any other option, hang up now and learn English before you continue.

gtouch

News Flash:...........Washington............The Administration has just issued an executive order that in order to become a US citizen one must be able to demonstrate one of the following

1) Your parents were born somewhere on the planet earth

2) A language common to more than 3 living persons was spoken by your parents.

3) A desire to partake in government assistance, handouts, welfare, entitlements etc.

4) Proof that you are a living or once living person of good or less standing in a country that has a vowel in it's name.

5) That all crimes that you may commit will not include points shaving in a NFL game.

By answering yes to any one of the above questions you will be given automatic citizenship and your first government check

---------- Number 5 is awesome. Thou shall not mess with the NFL

We have had migrant workers here for years. They took the farming - picker - jobs that Americans truly did not want. The difference was they used to migrate back after the season. No Health care education housing costs for us.

Now, they are not migrating back (like the Canada Geese that stopped flying south because the winter's here became cush). And they're no longer in jobs Americans don't want. They're in the construction trades and factories. Jobs that Americans desperately want.

The problem is not truly migrant workers. The solution is to punish businesses that break the law, which will dry up the supply of American jobs taken by undocumented workers. Will it raise costs? In the short run, but it will push undocumented workers back to the farm jobs where they are both needed and were invited. Business who cheat will not have an unfair advantage by breaking the law.

If they do not have an opportuity for work, they will stop comming here.

The United States of America is a nation of laws that rewards those who violate them.

Normally I might be on the more Liberal side of the illegal immigrant argument but in this case I agree with AG99 and some of you others. If they dropped out of high school and have not served in the military I am fine with closing this door.

If they were really here and wanted to work with the system they would not drop out of school. Dropping out just shows laziness and an unwillingness to do the work required. I do realize there can be other reasons for dropping out however most of the dropouts in this country, illegally here or otherwise, do so because of the reason I stated above, which I have witnessed first hand with some of my friends and some of my other classmates.

I had two friends in high school who dropped out, one was pretty smart and the other was smart but not as much as my other friend. Anyway the smart+ one rarely ever came to class. He dropped out during our Junior year. The other friend did attend classes regularly, however in our Senior year he started skipping out on classes during the afternoon and eventually stopped coming at all.

Their last chance is to enlist. If they do not want to do that they need to find a way to pay in for GED classes. If they cannot do that after a period of some time (I think two to five years) then they should be deported.

rachel said:

Amanda, BULL@!$%#. If you were legally adopted by legal Americans, you HAVE citizenship. Unless your parents were lazy and careless if you turned 18 before 2000 and they didn't bother applying.

In post 1.25 I did mention that Dad and Mom died before I tuned 18. I think you'd agree its a little hard to file paperwork for your adopted child when you're dead. And if the adopted child herself doesn't know she was adopted...

And yes, I know as of 2000 children adopted by USCs automatically become citizens. However,as Ioted out in post 1.70, i was adopted before then--before there were computers, and everything was done by paper.

Lu said:

Amanda, I'm going to call BS on this. I'm sorry, but if the Rwandan told them her story (and her story were true), they had an obligation to investigate the crime (it was a crime, human trafficking, child porn and child prostitution, even back then I suspect) or at the very least to give her the opportunity to file the police report in order that the abuse would be documented (something she should have done in the first place), at which point she would have been capable of pointing the authorities to a whole ring of baby-rapists, and she would have saved potentially hundreds of lives, been a true hero and definitely been granted amnesty. Either you're not telling the whole truth or she wasn't. Did you ever think that maybe she sold herself into slavery or her parents did in order to get to the US where life would be better, even being sexually abused for years, than it would have been in her home country? It happens, not that it makes the situation any more tolerable. As far as the authorities keeping her baby and sending her back, that just doesn't pass the sniff test at all. Most likely, she chose to put her child up for adoption and then committed suicide because she didn't want to go back or perhaps she committed suicide in order that her baby COULD stay, because otherwise they would both go back to Rwanda--Death was a better prospect, because Rwanda is a terrible, terrible place.

I don't know all the specifics. She spoke no English and only a little French, and I only had a little French so it is entirely possible that I may have misunderstood. WI do know that we both begged for her to be allowed to stay with her baby, either here or back in Rwanda, but I don't know why she committed suicide.

The question though is how your case or the case of a child trafficked in has any bearing on a case where parents brought the child across the border and they lived for years illegally at the expense of the system.

It doesn't. I was responding to Travis's comment about amnesty for illegals, and pointing out that in some cases yes i do advocate for amnesty for those here illegally, and it would be for cases like human trafficking.

Your case is your case. You were here legally as an adopted child. Your papers disappeared (the courts should have had records that were easily obtainable).

The courts did--as soon as my letter hit the courthouse where the record was filed, they sent multiple certified copies of the letter right over. The problem was finding which courthouse; the adoption agency was in Colorado (before they closed) Dad and Mom were living in MD when they initially filed the request for a visa to bring a stateless infant over, and I grew up in upstate New York. I wrote letters to practically every courthouse in each of those three states trying to find that one sheet of paper.

Their cases are their cases, and we shouldn't feel sorry for them on the basis of your case.

I wasn't asking you to. That was never my intent. My original post was simply to point out to a commenter that 'undocumented' is not just a politically correct term for 'illegal'. We undocumenteds are a distinctly separate class of people.

Creek dog said:

Not sure what to think of you. If I had to guess, you probably work directly for MSNBC and try to keep the people interested in posting back and forth. Not sure.

I'm trying to correct misconceptions--namely that 'undocumented is just a PC term for 'illegal' and we aren't. Many people don't understand that. many people also don't know what 'stateless' means. I'm just trying to get people to understand that.

Either you work for MSNBC or you have too much time on your hands.

AI work as a receptionist and a biometrics technician. today our fingerprint machine happens to not be working and I'm waiting for the tech guys to fix it. So for today yes, I have time on my hands.

I've read many of your posts and honestly, if anyone has been through what you've been (as per your stories) they probably live within Disney Worlds Technicolor (Cartoon).

You're perfectly free to believe me--or not. I'm just trying togetpeople to understand the diference between 'undocumented' and 'illegal'.

Lastly, what drives me (and other people) crazy is when people copy, paste, and start out by saying "So and So said: Then have to read their story then your comment about their story. Yeah, it gets old.

I do that because on along thread with many commenters, it's sometimes hard to know what comment someone is responding to. This way whoever takes the time to read my posts can read the point which Iam trying to address and can decide for themselves factuality and relevance to the original topic.

The GED FOR ILLEGALS Theme Song!

“llegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Throw then some pesos and they work so hard.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
I don’t even ask if they got green card.

They’re going to pave up my driveway this Christmas.
They’re going to clean all my cars this Christmas.
They’re going to shovel all the snow this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

They’re going to dig me a pool this Christmas.
They’re going to landscape my law this Christmas.
They’re going to cook me up some tacos this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Sixteen arrive in a stolen car.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
When they’re not working, they sit at the bar.

They’re going to drink some cervezas this Christmas.
They’re going to shoot some tequila this Christmas.
They’re going to get DUIs this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

They’re getting free organ transplants this Christmas.
They’re going to have anchor babies this Christmas.
They’re going to scream “sí, se puede” this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
One at a time run past those border guards.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Hugo Chavez sends his kind regards.

They’re going to tackle Pat Buchanan this Christmas.
They’re going to chase down Lou Dobbs this Christmas.
They’re going to join up with La Raza this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

They’re going to spread bubonic plague this Christmas.
They’re going to bring me lots of bed bugs this Christmas.
They’re going to pass tuberculosis this Christmas.”
Those illegals in my yard.

@just a cleaning lady:

I like your attitude and agree with most of your comments.

In the story we read:

Others feel it is unfair to set a requirement for some in the group that could be insurmountable.

Maybe we should ask these 'inconvenienced' illegals - not undocumenteds, which sounds like a disease - just how much easier we should make it for them so they would achieve the same status that millions of citizens worked for in previous years.

Simply put: if you want to stay here don't get arrested in AZ (where our citizens passed SB 1070, and the "identification section" was okay'd by the Supreme and state courts), get a bare education to lend something to the workforce, and obey our laws. OTW go back to where ever you came from.

Travis, if you are going to "rail against the enablers", you must include in that group the public school system, which makes a great deal of money off of all the illegal enrollees, as schools are funded based on enrollment, not based on performance. We must also include the leftists who scream about not wanting the cost of a head of lettuce to go up (I like this one in particular, because the price goes up no matter what, because of inflation in other areas, so what's a little more if we're really worried about people being paid a fair wage, and then maybe more "Americans" would willingly do farm labor, but I digress). We must include the construction industry--nothing at all like the 1%ers you deride with their farms and their guns (how stereotypical), but the hard laboring troupes of men and women who build the houses down the block--who hire illegals under the table right out of the Home Depot parking lot as day labor in order to avoid having to pay fair wages to someone who is actually qualified to do the job. We must also include the film industry with their nannies, cooks, maids, and lawnboys of questionable origin (they are surely 1%ers, but they entertain us, so they're allowed, right?). We must include the people who enjoy the occasional hit of whichever foreign-grown substance they're abusing at the moment, because even our southern friends are perfectly aware that the drug war is not really a problem with the violent pushers, but with the fat American customer who wants too much. And we should also include the politicians, who see the opportunity to rally a voter base and choose re-election over real governing.

It's naive to pretend it's all about the farmers.

Comanchedriver said:

You are NOT entitled to Constitutional due process protections of you are being detained for your border violation.

I was curious about this comment so I went looking. Here's what I found:

Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)
In Yick Wo v. Hopkins, a case involving the rights of Chinese immigrants, the Court ruled that the 14th Amendment's statement, "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws," applied to all persons "without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality," and to "an alien, who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, although alleged to be illegally here." (Kaoru Yamataya v. Fisher, 189 U.S. 86 (1903) )

Wong Wing v. U.S. (1896)
Citing Yick Wo v. Hopkins, the Court, in the case of Wong Wing v. US, further applied the citizenship-blind nature of the Constitution to the 5th and 6th amendments, stating ". . . it must be concluded that all persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection guaranteed by those amendments, and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."

Plyler v. Doe (1982)
In Plyler v. Doe, the Supreme Court struck down a Texas law prohibiting enrollment of illegal aliens in public school. In its decision, the Court held, "The illegal aliens who are plaintiffs in these cases challenging the statute may claim the benefit of the Equal Protection Clause, which provides that no State shall 'deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.' Whatever his status under the immigration laws, an alien is a 'person' in any ordinary sense of that term… The undocumented status of these children vel non does not establish a sufficient rational basis for denying them benefits that the State affords other residents."

When the Supreme Court decides cases dealing with First Amendment rights, it typically draws guidance from the 14th Amendment's principal of "equal protection under the law." In essence, the "equal protection" clause extends First Amendment protection to anyone and everyone covered by the 5th and 14th Amendments. Through its consistent rulings that the 5th and 14th Amendments apply equally to illegal aliens, they also enjoy First Amendment rights.

In rejecting the argument that the "equal" protections of the 14th Amendment are limited to U.S. citizens, the Supreme Court has referred to language used by the Congressional Committee that drafted the amendment:

"The last two clauses of the first section of the amendment disable a State from depriving not merely a citizen of the United States, but any person, whoever he may be, of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or from denying to him the equal protection of the laws of the State. This abolishes all class legislation in the States and does away with the injustice of subjecting one caste of persons to a code not applicable to another. . . . It [the 14th Amendment] will, if adopted by the States, forever disable every one of them from passing laws trenching upon those fundamental rights and privileges which pertain to citizens of the United States, and to all persons who may happen to be within their jurisdiction."

While illegal aliens do not enjoy all of the rights granted to citizens by the Constitution, specifically the rights to vote or possess firearms, these rights can also be denied to U.S. citizens convicted of felonies. In final analysis, the courts have ruled that, while they are within the borders of the United States, illegal aliens are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans.

Okay, first: illegal aliens do not get welfare benefits. I know perfectly well that you think that they do, I know perfectly well that you know people who know people who claim that they do, I know that there is a myth that they do. They don't. Back in the day, there would be just as many people claiming that priests and nuns spent most of their time getting it on, having unwanted babies, and eating them for breakfast. If you don't believe me, I can point you to the letters to the editor from the time period of the 1800s when it was the dreaded "Papists" coming in from Europe whom everyone was against (you know, the people who were your own ever-so-great grandparents, in many cases).

Sometimes, there are children born in the US with one parent who is an illegal alien--if those children are registered by their legal relatives (usually the mother--most illegal immigrants are males), then those children qualify for benefits. In fact, most of the fudged numbers about the "children who are descendents of illegal immigrants" do not bother mentioning that the other parent is typically a citizen. In the old days, marrying a US citizen was enough to get you permission to stay here--that's yet another thing that has changed.

On another topic, jrae-1215199 had this to say:

Night school at the local high-schools used to be common. But then vocational classes used to be common in public schools too. Now everything is privitized and costs an arm and a leg. How did that happen?

Night schools are still commonplace in some locations. We have them in our school district. Nearly all urban schools still partner with technology centers (they aren't called "vo-techs," they're called "technology centers"), and nearly all schools still offer students the option to take free classes at technology centers to study computer skills, office skills, culinary arts, floral design, and the skilled trades (plumbing, carpentry). One has to pay for one's supplies and books, but the classes themselves are free. Technology centers are not privatized, and we have some of the best darned technology centers in the world.

People won't put their kids in them because, of course, everyone's kid is a special little snowflake who has to be considered college material (even though they can't pay for college) with the potential for a full-ride scholarship and no one wants to limit what their special darling could achieve.

Look--if you are working class or middle class, then put your kid into the technology center program half-day (it typically is half-day), and then put your kid into extra classes at the high school (early morning, late afternoon, evening, summer, or cooperative classes at the local community college that are free tuition through your high school). Have the little rat work his or her butt off taking a full load at high school so as to qualify for college AND get certification in something like bookkeeping or IT or a skilled trade that would come in handy at a college.

The kid graduates with a high school diploma AND a certificate. The kid gets a job in a college town, preferably at the college, and works his way through college--a full time job in the evening as a janitor or in IT will allow one to take classes during the day. Bookkeeping jobs and so forth at a college or in a college town will typically allow people a bit of time off during the day if they will make up time in the evening or on the weekend. A state college isn't that expensive--seriously, this isn't rocket science.

In terms of these young people, I'd like to point out that there are plenty of American citizens who are Hispanic. Most of the people you are convinced are "illegals" who are on "welfare," are actually American citizens whose families have been here since before your families got here--if they still speak Spanish, it's because that's the language they were speaking when the US made a land grab and stole Northern Mexico. Of course, we aren't giving Northern Mexico back, that's a fantasy, but the fact remains that all the citizens of Northern Mexico suddenly became US citizens--they aren't "immigrants." Four of every five Hispanics in the US is a citizen--most of them born that way.

"Anchor babies" is a silly term--one has to be an adult to be able to sponsor a parent, and there were fewer than 5K examples in recent years. It's a method that doesn't work--so quit bothering everyone with that term.

Yes, Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than anyone else in recent history--it doesn't mean much, though, as Bush and the others basically weren't deporting anyone anyway. The numbers may be a trifle padded, but that's what politicians do. The point is that no one before Obama was actually bothering to deport much of anyone--it was all show, and no do, and why you suddenly want to blame Obama for something that the Republicans have been turning a blind eye to since before Reagan is beyond me.

If anyone is worried about these poor children who can't get GEDs, I'd like to point out that we have a little thing called the "Internet." The skills needed to pass the GED are not that hard, and any organization of Hispanic people who wants to put up a Spanish/English study session with recordings of teachers, step-by-step tutorials, study quizzes, English language training, and so forth can do so really, really, really easily. It wouldn't even cost that much. This "problem" is so easily solved by Hispanic activists that it is laughable.

Oh, by the by, if you are a citizen studying for the GED, there already are online programs for you, too. Try Missouri--they have a nice program. If you want to perhaps exercise your rights as a citizen, try campaigning for the Dept. of Education based in DC to put up similar GED training materials online for free. While you are at it, tell them to create a sound K-12 program of enrichment materials so that if your children are going to a school that sucks, they could simply use those materials for enrichment at home.

Jeez, guys--could we please stick to 1) the facts and 2) problem solving? The solutions here are simple, cheap, and potentially very effective. It is old listening to y'all whine.

Amanda, "illegal aliens not enjoying all the rights" specifically means that the rights that they are allowed to enjoy must be determined at some point, and to ignore this fact is a bit disingenuous. The courts have stated that the level of rights a non-citizen may enjoy should be uniquely determined by congress (Diaz, 426 US--Matthews vs. Diaz). Specifically:

Neither the overnight visitor, the unfriendly agent of a hostile foreign power, the resident

diplomat, nor the illegal entrant, can advance even a colorable constitutional

claim to a share in the bounty that a conscientious sovereign makes available to its

own citizens and some of its guests. The decision to share that bounty with our

guests may take into account the character of the relationship between the alien

and this country: Congress may decide that as the alien’s tie grows stronger, so

does the strength of his claim to an equal share of that munificence.

And by the way, you seem to be glossing over some key words in your interpretation: "without due process of law". Equal protection requires due process, not wavers for everyone under the sun because that's what some people want in order to make their lives easier, and certainly any decisions made with regards to the general illegal populace should not give preference to those who have entered illegally over those who have entered legally or who were born here by citizens, as to grant them favor would not be equal protection to the actual citizen and non-citizen who abides by the law, as we are bound by our laws and are punished for breaking them.

For those who claim illegals do not get benefits, please read:

www.hhs.gov/ocr/civilrights/resources/specialtopics/origin/domesticviolencefactsheet.html

I hope that link goes through and that this doesn't turn into a double post. =/

Amanda said:

Undocumented does NOT automatically mean illegal.

I was internationally adopted as an infant, never told before my parents passed away in a car accident. One day USCIS does a routine record search and finds my file is missing my adoption paper; they came to me asking for a copy, then placed me in deportation as an undocumented when I told them I couldn't give them a copy of my adoption paper because I'd never known I was adopted.

I believe you. But that is not likely the case for the 10 million or more "undocumented" immigrants currently living in the United States.

I firmly believe that if illegal or undocumented workers wish to get a GED, then they should first get their Green Card. By getting thier Green Card or applying these persons would then illsutrate a want to be in this country rather than continue to simply food and jobs away from true Americans----those born here or have taken the necessary steps to live here free!

Undocumented or illegal should not be given the basic rights to be here if here illegally. And yes I have seen too many Illgeals taking away jobs from Americans---construction, delievery, plumbing, landscaping etc. All these jobs could emply many many Americans but the employer chose cheap labor over AMERICAN LABOR!

OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT.

President Obama INVITES MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS. Dangle a carrot of Illegal Aliens Amnesty, "Only criminal Undocumented Workers Will be Deported", Temporary Amnesty for Illegal Alien Children (taking limited resources from Legal US Children).

US Taxpayer Funded La Raza providing assistance for Illegal Aliens to obtain Public Assistance, Public Housing, Food Stamps (SNAP, WIC), Education, Health Care, etc. at the US; making these NOT AVAILABLE for US CITIZENS, and Bankrupting States, Billions per State spent on Illegal Aliens (not including costs for prosecutions, imprisonment of Illegal Aliens for Murder, Rape, Armed Assault, Illegal Alien Gang related random murder and rape as initiations.

"US Military will not be used to Secure US Borders" - President Obama's April 2009 and August 2009 Policies.

Throws 90,000 US Military on Unemployment that could have secured US Borders with President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered current Reduction In Forces (RIF) of the US Military. Throws 108,000 US Citizens employed by US Military on Unemployment.

President Obama told all of you EXACTLY what he was going to do, Associated Press, 2009

Legalization of Over 23 Million Illegal Aliens at US:

And immigration remained a sore spot. While Obama has said he'd like to start crafting an overhaul that legalizes millions of Mexican immigrants, there's little chance of Congress acting this year, since even top administration priorities like health care and climate policy are moving slowly amid heated partisan debate.

Don't even give the baloney "President Obama deported more than Bush", more Illegal Aliens are coming into the US as invited by President Obama, while less are being deported.

So President Obama gave Illegal Aliens (loyal citizens of another Nation) Rights, Benefits, Entitlements of US Citizens while Removing US Citizen's Constitutional Rights with his January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts, President Obama shown during a staged news media event January 22, 2009, signing his Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws) 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE

To close a loop hole in his January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts President Obama signs into US Law his 2012 NDAA, Authorizing the US Military Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens, this was ruled illegal, President Obama appealed and used "Executive Privilege" to not confirm or deny that this is still happening pending his appeal:

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

Illegal Aliens are currently occupying the "Low paid", "No Benefits", "Entry Level", "Hardwork" Jobs that the Teenagers of US Citizens used to perform. Unemployment Teenagers of US Citizens 52%. Also Parent's Fault for not forcing the Teen to learn to EARN everything.

Defeat of President Obama's Infrastructure Jobs, as the Illegal Aliens have already displaced the US Labor Union Construction Workers.

President Obama spent not Budgeted for $2.1 Trillion; so he submits his President's Proposal to US Congress for the Budget Cuts to all previously Budgeted For Programs, Projects, and Agencies for US Citizens. TRANSLATION LESS ICE AGENTS, LESS LAW ENFORCEMENT TO APPREHEND ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Don't even give the LAME EXCUSE "Obstructionist Congress", IF President Obama took 100% Responsibility and 100% Accountability he would do as he did before to circumvent US Congress "The Will of the People", keep clicking "Next", see something Unconstitutional, TOUGH, that is what you Voted For:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

President Eisenhower knew that Illegal Aliens were a Known National Security Threat, with his Operation Wetback, including the apprehensions and deportations of "Those Little Frauds" (aka Anchor Babies); Operation Wetback Ruled 100% Constitutional per the US Supreme Court.

OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT. OBAMA'S FAULT.

Bean@home - Okay, first: illegal aliens do not get welfare benefits.

PROVE THEY DON'T, YOUR OPINION DOES NOT COUNT.

I CAN PROVE THEY DO WITH LINKS TO LA RAZA, STATE OF CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT, ETC..

Amanda-2017567,

Are you still paid by the Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups at the US to post your nonsense to dumb down US Citizens.

Undocumented????? YOU MEAN *****ILLEGAL*******!!!! Snuck into this country and took up housing, education, food stamps, welfare, free medical etc.. etc.. NOW they have the nerve to complain that it's sooo expensive and sooo hard to get a GED or high school equivalency diploma???? TOUGH @!$%#!!!! I'm sure there are thousands of bleeding hearts that would be more than willing to just pat them on the back, give them and pass and say "poor babies" we'll go ahead and approve you without the educaton. Or if not that then willingly "dumb down" the testing to make it easier to pass and give "waivers" for these poverty stricken people. LEt the damned bleeding hearts pay for it all then!!!!

THese people need to stay in their OWN country and fight for change, reform, education etc.. there not come to America to free load and send money back to Mexico!!!! Many of these people wanting a clear and easy path to citizenship are part of these groups that go around protesting how this country was already theirs and they're just taking it back, They have NO respect for America, it's laws, rules, or it's LEGAL citizens!!!! The borders need to be closed to ALL IMMIGRATION and all "undocumented" ILLEGALS, need to be shipped out. All their damned felons that are lounging in American prisons need to be taken back by Mexico and housed and paid for by the Mexican government not ours!!!!!

After reading this article I am firmly convinced that the Obama policy is right for the times. To offer legal status to undocumented workers here in the US is a good way forward but has to have incentive along with requirements. If not we will be plagued with untold numbers side stepping legal immigration, so on and so on.

GED's should not be free for anyone including all citizens. Our kids need to stay in school till they graduate or until they are 19, whichever comes first. Our drop out rate is ridiculous. We keep throwing money at the problem with no REAL results.

And people wonder why we have so many unable to obtain good jobs. They are in many ways, illiterate. I half heartedly agree with a lot of comments here.

I again propose that we replace sanctuary cities and the war on drugs with a border wall, and prisoners and welfare recipients doing "the work Americans don't want". They can pick crops. That's what prisoners were doing back during the days of Operation Wetback. This solution would decrease our crime rates and would prevent a rise in prices. Illegal Immigrants are just today's modern form of American slavery, and don't assume we won't wind up apologizing and paying reparations for this in the future. They should be at home, improving their own country, not working for less than minimum wage in ours.

However, I should point out a few things about American Immigration:

America naturalizes more immigrants as legal citizens every year than all other nations of the world COMBINED, most of them from Mexico, and almost all of them from 3rd World countries. There is no other country on Earth that is as easy to immigrate to, as a foreigner, than America. An Americacn who wished to move to Mexico would have a much harder time doing so. This is due largely to the 1990 Immigration Act, which was passed by Bush Sr. It more than doubled our number of legal immigrants every year. 1 in 8 Americans is now foreign born, and 1 in 10 people born in Mexico now lives in America. The vast majority of illegal immigrants actually work in fields like construction and fast food, not on farms. In fact, Panda Express and Walmart were both caught hiring numerous illegals as part of their regular work force. Also, California illegals get in-state residency status for college tuition on the taxpayers' dime, and new legislation - the TRUST Act, makes California entirely a sanctuary state. If you do a google image search of an immigration chart, over time, you will see that America now takes in many times more immigrants than it ever did before. Each year we break a new record. We also get more illegals, now, than ever before, because we used to deport them, but today we give them college tuition and jobs. Many Mexican gangs are made up entirely of illegals, who pass easily over the border from Los Angeles back to Mexico, as they await the fallout of previous crimes to die down, and then they return to America to commit more crimes.

Tell them NO More Illegal Aliens, NO US Taxpayer paid Amnesty for Illegal Aliens, NO US Taxpayer paid Public Assistance of Any Kind, Enforce the US Immigration Laws.

Contact President Obama:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

Contact US Congress (Both Houses and Committees):

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

You people who claim illegals don't get welfare benefits are wrong:

Thirteen years after welfare reform, the share of immigrant-headed households (legal and illegal) with a child (under age 18) using at least one welfare program continues to be very high. This is partly due to the large share of immigrants with low levels of education and their resulting low incomes — not their legal status or an unwillingness to work. The major welfare programs examined in this report include cash assistance, food assistance, Medicaid, and public and subsidized housing.

Among the findings:

• In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.
• Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.
• A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.
• Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.
• Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).
• The states where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62 percent); Texas, California, and New York (61 percent); Pennsylvania (59 percent); Minnesota and Oregon (56 percent); and Colorado (55 percent).
• We estimate that 52 percent of households with children headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2009, compared to 71 percent for illegal immigrant households with children. Illegal immigrants generally receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.
• Illegal immigrant households with children primarily use food assistance and Medicaid, making almost no use of cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrant households tend to have relatively high use rates for every type of program.
• High welfare use by immigrant-headed households with children is partly explained by the low education level of many immigrants. Of households headed by an immigrant who has not graduated high school, 80 percent access the welfare system, compared to 25 percent for those headed by an immigrant who has at least a bachelor’s degree.
• An unwillingness to work is not the reason immigrant welfare use is high. The vast majority (95 percent) of immigrant households with children had at least one worker in 2009. But their low education levels mean that more than half of these working immigrant households with children still accessed the welfare system during 2009.
• If we exclude the primary refugee-sending countries, the share of immigrant households with children using at least one welfare program is still 57 percent.
• Welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents. In 2009, 60 percent of households with children headed by an immigrant who arrived in 2000 or later used at least one welfare program; for households headed by immigrants who arrived before 2000 it was 55 percent.
• For all households (those with and without children), the use rates were 37 percent for households headed by immigrants and 22 percent for those headed by natives.
• Although most new legal immigrants are barred from using some welfare for the first five years, this provision has only a modest impact on household use rates because most immigrants have been in the United States for longer than five years; the ban only applies to some programs; some states provide welfare to new immigrants with their own money; by becoming citizens immigrants become eligible for all welfare programs; and perhaps most importantly, the U.S.-born children of immigrants (including those born to illegal immigrants) are automatically awarded American citizenship and are therefore eligible for all welfare programs at birth.
• The eight major welfare programs examined in this report are SSI (Supplemental Security Income for low income elderly and disabled), TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families), WIC (Women, Infants, and Children food program), free/reduced school lunch, food stamps (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Medicaid (health insurance for those with low incomes), public housing, and rent subsidies.

This really doesn't surprise me. Welfare is likely one of the many programs where nobody asks about immigration status because it "would be cruel to let children starve".

Why would we want to do anything to allow these uneducated, high school dropouts in this ccountry - we already have more losers on welfare then the 52% of us actually paying personal income taxes can afford to support. Pack these misfits, uneducated, teen mom's and dads and send their worthless asses back to what ever unfortunate country they call home of origin. Just get your worthless ass out of my ccountry !!!!!!!!!!!

Amanda, if your parents DIDN'T square away your citizenship before you were 18, THEY WERE NEGLECTFUL. Good parents would have made sure their dependent child was safe. That makes you an illegal and it was ALL your parents' fault.

The hidden agenda is to overturn the economic and political power of the white middle class. To hold wages down while raising prices as much as possible. To breed with whites so that whites disappear. Something that they thought we'd do with blacks but it didnt work.

If your white, wake up. If your awake, then wake others. George Washington had a vision. He wrote about it as well as telling many people. He said in his vision there was be two civil wars. The 1st we already know about but the 2nd is in the very near future. You see those who killed our president in 1963 and took this nation over are not about to let this country go without a fight. So learn learn learn. Pass it on. Dont get caught on the wrong side.

gtouch

News Flash:...........Washington............The Administration has just issued an executive order that in order to become a US citizen one must be able to demonstrate one of the following

1) Your parents were born somewhere on the planet earth

2) A language common to more than 3 living persons was spoken by your parents.

3) A desire to partake in government assistance, handouts, welfare, entitlements etc.

4) Proof that you are a living or once living person of good or less standing in a country that has a vowel in it's name.

5) That all crimes that you may commit will not include points shaving in a NFL game.

By answering yes to any one of the above questions you will be given automatic citizenship and your first government check.

You left out the most important requirement of all: you must vote, Democrat!

rachel said:

Amanda, if your parents DIDN'T square away your citizenship before you were 18, THEY WERE NEGLECTFUL. Good parents would have made sure their dependent child was safe. That makes you an illegal and it was ALL your parents' fault.

All my paperwork was squared away at the time I was adopted--USCIS discovered they lost the adoption paper around the same time I turned 18 and I could not give them a copy because I never knew I was adopted.

And as I pointed out previously in my posts, Dad and Mom died in a car accident before I turned 18.

From my point of view, it wasn't really anyone's fault--the government loses paperwork all the time, lots of people out there have no idea they were adopted, and many parents back then didn't tell their kids they were adopted. The Child Citizenship Act simplified things enormously for adopted kids. I was just unlucky enough to have been adopted well before that piece of legislation was enacted.

lu said

Amanda, "illegal aliens not enjoying all the rights" specifically means that the rights that they are allowed to enjoy must be determined at some point, and to ignore this fact is a bit disingenuous. The courts have stated that the level of rights a non-citizen may enjoy should be uniquely determined by congress (Diaz, 426 US--Matthews vs. Diaz).

Hmm. And yet the Supreme Court ruled in the three cases I posted above that the 14th amendment applied to everyone. If what you posted is true and these decisions need to be made by Congress directly, then rulings in the three sample cases I posted above should be overturned because they were rulings made by the Judicial Branch in a court of law, instead of bringing the illegal immigrant before a Congressional hearing to determine if they had rights under the 14th Amendment. I wonder if they would have made them wait until the next time Congress was in session or would they have convened a special Congressional Hearing out of session in order to decide the illegal immigrants right to 14th Amendment due process.

Equal protection requires due process, not wavers for everyone under the sun because that's what some people want in order to make their lives easier, and certainly any decisions made with regards to the general illegal populace should not give preference to those who have entered illegally over those who have entered legally

Exactly. So the illegal alien who jumped the border, shot a cop, and dealt drugs along the way should not get due process rights that I, a legally adopted child of US citizens, who was only undocumented because USCIS lost my paperwork, didn't get.

I should have gotten a trial, hearing, legal aid, the same as that illegal border-jumper.

Instead I was civilly detained (not arrested, since no crime had been committed) and so since I wasn't arrested I didn't have the right to a hearing, no right to legal aid of any kind, a chance to prove my citizenship before a court or to argue a case against my indefinite detention before an immigration judge. If no crime has been committed, you don't need a lawyer or judge or hearing. You can be civilly detained for as long as the government deems necessary.

At the local level, civil detention by police can only last 24 hours, but Homeland Security's laws are unique and specific only to them.

I stand with what I said. If you have an adopted dependent child, you should protect them and their rights before worrying about your ego and the potential difficulty of telling them they were adopted. You make sure within 6 months of filing, filed within 6 months of the adoption, that the paperwork is intact and you have an official copy. No "the dog ate my homework."

Sorry they died in a car accident but your citizenship status is their fault. I adopted a child born in Jamaica and a proud US citizen, so I know.

Amanda,

No, the courts decide on individual cases, but congress decides what the overall laws should be, and that is being thwarted at every step by claims for exceptions and pleas for fairness in order to avoid offending people. Under our laws as have been determined by congress, the right to life, liberty and property is a citizen's right, which can even be taken away from certain citizens (for instance, a citizen choosing not to pay taxes has no right to own property, yet they are still citizens). The right not to be deprived of life, liberty and property without due process is a right that is extended to everyone equally (for instance, in the case of an illegal, he gets his day in court before he is deported, in the case of the citizen who chooses not to pay taxes, he gets his day in court before his property is removed from his possession, but he gets to remain here, and once he starts paying taxes, he can again own property just like an illegal can go back to his home nation and after a time begin the process to enter the US by legal means). These are two separate and distinguishable ideas that you seem to hold as one.

Not everyone has the right to life, liberty and property here, but before life, liberty or property can be taken away, EVERYONE is afforded due process. Before we put the needle in you for violently murdering twelve year old girls, you will get years and years of appeals and until the very moment the needle enters your arm, you could still be granted stay, because that is the weight with which our society values all life (except unborn babies, but that's a whole different argument). Before we lock you up for twenty years for selling drugs and shooting at people from cars, you will get to your time before judge and jury, and even when you are put away, you will get multiple appeals opportunities and probation hearings, because that is the weight with which our society values liberty. But property is a completely different area, because sometimes the reason your property might be taken away is that you did not completely pay for it, in which case the process is fairly simple because it doesn't actually belong to you, but if you were going to make the tax fight with the government and you could come up with some crafty arguments, the process might take longer. Property comes last because it is weighted much less than life and liberty. A man can almost always gather to himself more property, but he can never gather to himself more life or liberty. It is important that we recognize that "due process" is specifically "the process that is due" for each set of circumstances.

In your case in particular, due process was a strange process because the circumstances were not ordinary (while it certainly happens, it probably is not something that occurs as a regular statistic, babies being adopted and their papers lost). You did not belong in the deportation system with the criminals, because you weren't really a criminal. You did have the right to sue civilly, since you were being detained civilly--that would have granted you due process (a divorcement is a civil matter and the due process involved is handled by civil courts). You also had the right to contact your state representatives, as you are a US citizen by adoption--just because the papers are lost does not mean that you have no rights to the avenues afforded to citizens. If you were financially in need, you even had the right to a public aid attorney, and they wouldn't be allowed to turn you away just because the immigration system thought your status as a citizen was in question. If you pursued all these options and were turned away or denied help, you have every right to demand reparation, as your rights as a citizen were decidedly infringed upon by the system. However, if you did not attempt to exercise these rights, or you did not know to exercise these rights at the time, the question of whether or not you have any claim to reparation becomes more muddied, as due process was actually afforded to you, though not swift.

Due process, or the process that is due, is different for every circumstance. Civil detention by police can only last 24 hours, but that doesn't mean there aren't cases where the rules are bent slightly or manipulated in order to work out whether or not criminal charges will be brought. Homeland Security's laws are unique, and some of them I don't necessarily agree with, however you can't claim, based on your personal experience, that we should just allow all potentially adopted terrorists to just run free blowing things up while we look for their paperwork in the court systems simply because everyone has an equal right to protection under 14, can you? The fact of the matter is we pay certain people to be a line of defense at our borders, a line of logical defense, to weigh who gets what right, who gets what leeway based on their circumstances--that is part of due process involving illegal aliens.

By the way, this DHS law that allows people to be held as long as the government deems necessary does not just apply at borders and ports of entry, nor does it only apply to people thought to be here illegally, but also to citizens, born and raised, therefore, while it's bad in many ways, it is still equal protection under 14.

Kornfed
Muy gracioso. Eso le da un nuevo significado a la "tierra de los libres".

@ Frank-60099

Estados Unidos ... ¿Por qué no me dan las cosas gratis como tu pobre conseguirlo? Esta es la tierra de los libres! Vengo a vivir el sueño americano de la gratuidad!

Free translation from a green eyed, auburn haired southerner: "United States.... Why don't you give me free stuff like your poor people (poor Americans). This is the land of the free. I have come here to live the American dream for free!"

It was a pretty dang funny joke if you got it, at least I think he/she was joking lol.

Great here is another reason for Obama to spend more of OUR tax dollars on FREE programs to educate ILLEGAL immigrants. What kind of investment is that? If they end p deported why waste the money to educate them, you get nothing out of that investment. Mark my words he WILL make free programs for Illegals. While the legal citizens keep on in waiting lines for help. And I think if you can't take the test in English then you don't pass. It cost too much to have "special" teachers in public schools for kids that can't speak English. These ppl go on to have kids and those kids learn what their parents speak which is Spanish. I think before you can become a legal citizen in the USA you must be able to speak basic English first. I'm sure if we migrated to other countries that didn't speak English they wouldn't make a special classroom for us. But it is the USA and everyone feels entitled to something. As far as she had to drop out of school b/c she was pregnant, well if it was really her "dream" to live here she would have kept her legs shut or got free birth control from planned parenthood. Since that kid was born here, even though she is Illegal her kid is considered a citizen which means she will now get food stamps for it, and free medical, and who do you think will be paying for that? Deport her and the kid will prob. go /w her, there is one less person we are supporting.And usually when kids grow up on gov. support that's what they expect as adults, the gov to support them with our tax money. Too bad Obama had to give ILLEGALS, LEGAL right to work for those votes. How stupid is that ppl, an ILLEGAL person not suppose to be here but can LEGALLY work here, that is so retarded.

Illegal Immigrants ? No such thing. Anyone who is in this country illegally is a criminal, not an immigrant. These oxygen thieves who are here illegally need to be deported. Dear God this country is broke and our Government wastes taxpayer dollars on those who are here illegally, unbelievable and outrageous. Take care of US citizens first and if anything is left over after we pay our bills and balance our buget then and only then should we consider charity. If we as a nation refuse to provide the basic necessities for these criminals, they will be forced to leave. Round them up with the people who employ them and deport them. Build a wall along the Mexican border utilize whatever force necessary up to and including deadly force to protect this country against the illegal invasion.

@Amanda:

I am going to have to jump on part of the bandwagon for a minute here and point out that The Constitution of the United States of America is just that - the constitution of the united states of america, not The Constitution of the United States of America and The Rest of the World.

It defines the laws of the land - our land, and no one else's. Someday humanity will grow up to the point that we realize we are all only one people - the people of earth. But that is a long, long way off.

Now I'm not discounting your tale, though I personally have no easy means of verifying any of it, nor any desire to do so. I certainly understand that things happen, paperwork gets lost, even computer records become corrupt - as a professor of mine was fond of saying "Fecal matter transpires".

And I'm not calling for anyone to send you a ticket whence you came - in fact, your tale reminds me of the axiom: For every rule, there is an exception, and you may very well be that exception.

But I do have an issue with ILLEGALs, and you should as well, because those who enter this country illegally create unnecessary delays and complications, especially for folks just like you.

@Amanda,

I am curious as to how your adoption papers were lost as you stated. If I misunderstood, then please forgive me. If your parents did indeed, never tell you you were adopted, those papers can be found when you turn 18 yrs. of age. There are avenues to legally follow to find those papers. It can be, at most, very difficult to do so. But it can be done. If all records are in fact, "gone" due to whatever errors, you must do what all "non-citizens" must do to become an American Citizen. You want it, and say you are legal, prove it, or do the work to remain here. Again, what is the explanation as to how ALL of your adoption papers were lost? What have you been told by those you have questioned about the loss of, it seems, all of the paperwork claiming you are legal and adopted? I am just curious about what you have actually been explicitly told by those who either handled your adoption, or their successors, as it seems you do have an answer for everything. So, everything from your birth certificate to final adoption papers have been lost? We all know paperwork does get lost, but something so important as adopting an "illegal"l child from another country, most always acquires a stack of paperwork of which something should exist to be found if the correct avenues are followed in the search for such paperwork. Again, if I did indeed miss your explanation of this, I apologize.

It's the new American way. No matter how far they lower the bar, someone will be complaining that it's unfair .... that the bar hasn't been lowered enough.

Come on now, it is an election year and we may have to make some exceptions to educational requirements if that is what it takes to buy the Latino vote.

These amnesty kids need to wake up and understand that if they just have babies, they will qualify for welfare. The more babies, the better the benifits. Hasnt anyone informed them of this yet? Education will then be provided for you as well as all of your other needs. Get with the program!!!!

If you’re going to give mercy to the group they should set up the criteria in a way that it takes in everybody and not exclude the people that are the poorest of the poor or the ones that would never qualify based on their standards.”

Welcome to America! You wanted the DREAM, there it is. It's the same DREAM we all try to aspire to. Some are poorer than others, but with hard work, if you want it bad enough, you'll find a way to do it.

I sure did.

I agree with you, trust-verify. While I am a strong believer in the dream act (at least here in California), I thought that one of the requirements was graduation from high school or two/three years in the military. If these people did not graduate high school - I see no reason to include them in the DREAM act. That sounds harsh..but I don't believe the DREAM act, as interpreted by President Obama was meant to include those "who coulda shoulda".

me thinks kornfed should have eaten some brain food cornmush for brains is no way to go through life

What you say is true, but they learned it from Americans. We have a 25 % or more of the last 3 generations who have paid up public education available to them and they dropped out. Many were disrupters in class and before leaving prevented others from experiencing good classroom teaching. Teachers got verbally assaulted, or ignored. Then they go through the prison system, drug rehab and other problems. The high schools started adult education classes 30 years ago for these people. Volunteers teach in prisons, Churches and social work orgs try to connect and get these folks in GED. They go into and out of these programs. When they are 30 or 40 yrs old still the do gooders are trying to spend taxpayer money to educate these folks so they'll be a contributoir to society. So the illegals have been watching all this, and knowing the do-gooders capacity to talk other people into spending money to save the "poor" want their share of it now. The hook in the sales pitch is and always has been: "if you'll just spend that extra amount on these 'kids' they'll turn out to be productive contributors to society". IF you don't buy that you have to prove a negative to be able to argue. So the US spends more per student than any other country, our educated rankings have been declining and continue to do so. We have more people that have been in more education programs than even exists elsewhere and still haven't got the GED. So you have illegals now, defining what the American Dream is and not surprisingly the dream is the rest of you pay and pay, grant rights upon rights, ignore the crowded ER's, the birthing centers at the hoispitals and the daycare and they'll let you know when you've done enough. You haven't hit that level yet - so keep handing it over, will ya ! They are going to do to the US what they did back home that made "back home" something to run from. So do we let people who think this way run the show ? So far the answer is yes.

“You feel like now there are no limits to what you can do,” he said.

That's right! THERE ARE NO LIMITS, are there? Understatement of the year coming from this crowd. Why do I see an extension to obtain the GED coming in the very near future? What an insult to the folks who have come here legally.

If you all will remember during the Civil Rights era.. This is what the illegals are waiting for.. They want everything legal citizens received.. You all came here illegally and need to go home.. You would be surprised at how the American Citizens will accept you with open arms. BUT NOT ILLEGALLY.

okie58

me thinks kornfed should have eaten some brain food cornmush for brains is no way to go through life

If you can find a woman, you can have babies too okie! Dont feel vindictive...your American dream is still within reach!

Sounds like a high demand for a new "counterfeit GED document" market.

Dave10121,I bet you that somebody in Los Angeles has already set up shop.You can already buy fake drivers licenses,birth certificates,green cards and social security cards.

dave20121

Sounds like a high demand for a new "counterfeit GED document" market.

LOL that appears to be the complaint.. the FEES are too high for that real or counterfeit paper so they want a waiver.. just like that proof of insurance to drive a vehicle.

Just Wondering-875934

The dream act is just another flavor of amnesty... 30 years after this one there will be still MORE illegals wanting THEIR bend over backwards from us..... Send them ALL home and anyone caught hiring illegals should have ALL the fruits of the illegal labor SEIZED.

trust verify,Right on. It all starts with those who give illegals employment.

denver bill: you can just call that bar-lowering "illegal limbo."

Amanda - yes your story is heartbreaking - but here is how you solve it:

1. Email to ACLU

2. Contact a local television reporter and get some human interest, look at the bureaucrats story

3. Contact a friendly local Congressman - perhaps not your evil tea party congress critter - they can offer up special bills to solve your problem that all the other representatives simply go along with because of the unwritten rule that its easier since you might need everyone else to just look the other way one day too . . . .

How many of those steps have you tried?

This is a classic, but hardly unforeseen failure of teachers causing another social problem because they do not educate pupils to grade level literacy. I suppose you can blame it all on the parents of these people who don't have adequate educational credentials, but the truth about the long lines to get a GED, is the long lines and the clogging up of the process, is cause by the large number of legal residents who don't have educational credentials, which need them for their own job pursuits. Thank you teachers unions, which may have worked for the AFL-CIO in the 1930's... but this isn't the 1930's. The public schools are plugged with illiterates, who now find the "coolness" of class disruption to be detrimental not just to others, but to themselves.

I've always found the immigration issue really interesting politically. As the comment here show, angst over immigration crosses party lines. I think the President misses this point. He maybe thinks liberals are united with him, but I think many liberals disagree vehemently. And while there are some business owners who use undocumented workers illegally, and while they may be republicans, it does not follow that republicans support illegal immigration.

I think its a very small minority that supports it. Mainly the political class who sees potential new voters. And past immigrants.

unconventional..... I have been a registered democrat and can agree with you point 100%. I totally disagree with the notion that we have to look the other way when it comes to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

I will not vote for any candidate for any office who will not stand and vote against any forms of amnesty for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Comanchedriver said:

Amanda - yes your story is heartbreaking - but here is how you solve it:

1. Email to ACLU

2. Contact a local television reporter and get some human interest, look at the bureaucrats story

3. Contact a friendly local Congressman - perhaps not your evil tea party congress critter - they can offer up special bills to solve your problem that all the other representatives simply go along with because of the unwritten rule that its easier since you might need everyone else to just look the other way one day too . . . .

How many of those steps have you tried?

I have naturalization now--as soon as I gave them a copy of the adoption paper they released me from deportation with a naturalization certificate since I'd proved I was a citizen. B

ut they also warned me that if my name came up in front of them again, they could revoke my naturalization and place me in deportation again, this time there wouldn't be any second chances. And I know that since I was stateless, there's nowhere to deport me to, so I conclude that if they do detain me again it will be permanent. I am now married, have two children, hubby is disabled and my youngest is autistic--they cannot afford for me to end up on the wrong side of the the government.

So I keep my head down, keep my nose clean, don't talk to media or reporters, don't make a fuss over what happened. I don't know if they could actually do that, revoke my naturalization and detain me indefinitely--but with the passage of policies like the 'indefinite detention' clause of the NDAA for FY2012, the Restricted Grounds Act (HR347) and the upcoming Enemy Expatriation Act, I'd rather not take chances. Instead I'm on news forums like this, posting anonymously, trying to correct misconceptions and misinformation. Little to no internet footprint, no Social Media page, don't have a car, don't drive, take public transit or bicycle everywhere I go because I don't know what will happen if I get a ticket--and I don't want to find out.

Amanda-2017567,

Are you still paid by the Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups at the US to post your nonsense to dumb down US Citizens.

Just lower the bar for any group that is incapable of normal standards. That is what America does. Not complicated.

Correct. For those who (willfully or otherwise) refuse to understand the difference, here's an analogy: If the police pull me over for a traffic stop, and I don't have my driver license in my possession, I am an undocumented driver. If I don't own a driver license, I am an illegal driver. There is a difference.

Bill, the problem with your analogy - most of those "undocumented immigrants," is they have no intention of immigrating. They want the benefits, without the responsibilities of citizenship. They will work, and send the money back home.

Granted, there are a lot of people that DO want to become immigrants, but the majority crossing our southern border have no intention of actually becoming citizens. They just want the money to send back to their families.

It is a major problem, and until Mexico, and other countries, can solve their own problems with everything from crime ridden cities/towns/villages, as well as corruption filled political systems, our problem is not going to be solved.

We have got to get out of the business of supporting the rest of the world, and start realizing the best way to solve those problems is to get OUR problems resolved first, for the LEGAL residents of this nation.

People are fleeing their "third world" home nations to advance their lives in those countries, at our expense, and we can no longer afford that type of support.

Illegal is a crime !! Whats is next sending them to college?The legal Americans are paying for all the freebies! They do not even speak our language, so we continue to cater to them so way not spend the money on real Americans.

When they stop being CRIMINALS, I'll stop calling them ILLEGALS.

This program of Obozo's is simply to guarantee him the Latino vote. Thankfully, it seems that only the Latinos are falling for it. Most Americans realize what a scam it is.

Ralph said;

They're not "undocumented immigrates". They're citizens of another country in the US illegally.

Undocumented is not the same as 'illegal'. These are two separate categories of people.

I was internationally adopted as an infant, who never told me before they passed away n a car accident. 18 years after my adoption, USCIS does a routine record search and finds they lost my adoption paper, and come to me looking for a copy.When I couldn't give them one, they placed me in deportation as 'undocumented' then found out since I was abandoned as an infant with no birth certificate or other documentation, I don't have a 'home country' to be deported to--prior to my adoption I was a citizen of nowhere. They simply told me I would remain in deportation until I gave them a copy of my adoption paper--it took me three years of writing letters from the deportation camp to every courthouse in every state I'd ever lived in to find that paper.

I was brought to the US legally, legally adopted, fees paid, papers filed. I had a BC issued after the adoption that had my parents' names on it (a judge will not issue that BC without having seen the adoption decree first). That BC was legal, as was my SS card and the brand-new DL I had when I was civilly detained (it wasn't called an arrest because no crime had been committed.) It wasn't a crime for me not to have known I was adopted, it wasn't a crime for my parents to have not told me I was adopted, and it wasn't a crime for me not to have a copy of the paper.

I was undocumented, through no fault of my own. It wasn't even really my parents' fault; yes, they never told me I was adopted and I wish they had--but they also ever expected they were going to die in a car accident, and they would also have had no way of knowing the government would penalize me because the government lost the paper. They had the application that my parents filed for the adoption, they had the original BC issued after the adoption was completed, they simply were missing the paper itself.

Amanda, your problems were created by a compilation of bad situations, none of them your fault. But, they were aggravated by an inefficient bureaucracy/political system that is only interested in its own power/control/growth, having nothing to do, in reality, to solving real people's problems. Individuals in this system are basically good, but when the chiefs in the system control every aspect of the operation, with total disregard for the eventual solving of the problems, thus the elimination of their jobs, they want nothing to do with actually being part of the solution.

Amanda, you're the exception to the rule. Stop trying to lump the 11 million law breakers into your category.

They keep coming up with excuses why it so hard to become legal and we're supposed to keep lowering the bar. Pretty soon we will have to hand deliver their green cards -- gold plated, of course -- to their homes so they don't even have to get out of bed.

We were told these young illegals were the cream of the crop. High school graduates, attending or graduated from college, ready to join the workforce and contribute to our country. NOT high school drop outs, welfare collecting drains on society. We have enough of those type of people and we don't need to import any more. The bank is broken and we're taking care of our own.

Amanda, no one cares about you BS. You have been going on for weeks trying to get anyone to send you money...begging for your story...its all a lie...your probably sitting in another country sending my granny emails about how she won a lottery and to send you money

jrsygrl said:

Amanda, you're the exception to the rule. Stop trying to lump the 11 million law breakers into your category.

Actually, I'm not the only one:

An Official Immigration and Customs Enforcement database, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, showed a U.S. detainee population of exactly 32,000 on the evening of Jan. 25.

The data show that 18,690 immigrants had no criminal conviction, not even for illegal entry or low-level crimes like trespassing. More than 400 of those with no criminal record had been incarcerated for at least a year. A dozen had been held for three years or more; one man from China had been locked up for more than five years.

Immigration lawyers note that substantial numbers of detainees, from 177 countries in the data provided, are not illegal immigrants at all. Many of the longest-term non-criminal detainees are asylum seekers fighting to stay here because they fear being killed in their home country. Others are longtime residents who may be eligible to stay under other criteria, or whose applications for permanent residency were lost or mishandled, the lawyers say.

And cases like these:

Blanca Catt, who at 19 still lives at home, wants to join the military or go to college like many in her Columbia Christian School graduating class. Instead she lives in fear she'll be deported. Catt, born in Mexico and smuggled into the U.S. as a toddler, was seized from abusive parents by the state of Oregon and placed into foster care with the Catts when she was 5 years old. The Catts adopted her three years later and said caseworkers told them their daughter automatically became a U.S. citizen.
That was not true. When Blanca tried to apply for a driver's permit at 16, she learned for the first time that crucial paperwork had never been filed to make her a legal resident. She's been in limbo ever since, unable to apply for jobs or loans, or even fly to Disneyland with her graduating class. Now Catt is caught in a bind. Since she has turned 19, she faces tough penalties for being in the country illegally. If she is deported, she would have to wait 10 years to apply for re-entry. Lisa Catt, Blanca's mother, is frustrated that state workers never completed the paperwork and then failed to tell Blanca's adoptive family of the omission.

And I was not trying to 'lump everyone into the same category'--I'm simply pointing out that undocumenteds are different from illegals. There's a misconception out there that 'undocumented' is just a politically correct term for 'illegal', and it isn't--undocumenteds are a separate category of people.

Denver Bill is just wrong. In your analogy you are an undocumented driver who legally obtained your license and like a dummy didn't bring your papers with you. You can still retrieve them and show em to authorities later and repair your citation. Undocumented aliens don't have legally obtained documents to show any authority figure, ever. They don't own 'em. IT takes the gubmint months to years to deport a person and they have beau coup opportunities to get the papers from home and bring 'em in and show them. And legally obtained, means there is a trail on the gubmint side of it they can trace. So undocumented means illegal, and thats why they get deported. This is nothing like driving with your license on the book case back home.

road less traveled:

Amanda, no one cares about you BS. You have been going on for weeks trying to get anyone to send you money...begging for your story...its all a lie...your probably sitting in another country sending my granny emails about how she won a lottery and to send you money

I invite you to have a look at my post history. I have never once asked anyone for money, and in fact several people who have offered assistance, advice, and told me to take my story to the media have been declined because I don't want that kind of attention. There is nothing that can be done bout my situation now, but I post my story in hops that people will read and understand that undocumented is not the same as 'illegal'. I'm trying to correct misconceptions, spread information, advocate possible solutions and make things fairer for everyone. if you choose to believe I'm lying, that's your choice and I'm not going to change your mind.

frosty said:

Amanda, your problems were created by a compilation of bad situations, none of them your fault. But, they were aggravated by an inefficient bureaucracy/political system that is only interested in its own power/control/growth, having nothing to do, in reality, to solving real people's problems.

Exactly.

Homeland Security asks Congress for $141 per person per night to detain people, illegal, undocumented, or citizen. That comes out to about $51,000 per person per year.

Now, a private, for-profit deportation camp/prison will hold that detainee for between $40-$98 per person per night, comes out to between $14,000 to $36,000 a year. The reminder of that $51,000 gets absorbed into Homeland Security's $98 billion a year budget, and then the private deportation camps pour money into lobbyists who wine and dine Congresspeople into passing laws that will keep the detainee population coming.

You are right, it's a racket, and it's more geared toward keeping money coming into various entities than making any real headway into solving our immigration problems. It's the only reason I can see to explain why they kept me in a private deportation camp on taxpayer dollar rather than allowing me out on electronic monitoring bracelet with supervised check ins, as is established procedure in cases of non-criminal undocumenteds like me who have no ties outside the country.

Amanda,

There's a misconception out there that 'undocumented' is just a politically correct term for 'illegal', and it isn't--undocumenteds are a separate category of people.

While this is technically true, it's also true that the well has been poisoned by those with an agenda to keep illegal aliens in this country, and the term has been misapplied so much and so obviously that yes - it is a politically correct term for "illegal" nowdays.

The numbers you post are also insignificant compared to the millions of "undocumented" aliens in this country. It's extremely unlikely that all those millions of people were caught up in the same set of circumstances you were, many of them - I would guess the vast majority of them - are here illegally. When you came to the USA was it in the back of a van with 25 other people? Did you "accidentally" swim a river or cut through a fence to get here? Were you dropped off a boat in the middle of the night on a deserted beach? No? Then your own story is not very relevant. So what if 18,000 people are truly undocumented - they aren't the problem, the 10 or so other million are.

@Amanda

Let me save you the trouble of posting your tale YET AGAIN.........blah, blah blah, yada, yada, yada and so on and so forth. That about cover it? Illegals are law breakers and those who break the law are criminals. It's actually pretty straightforward and I'm sure a person, such as yourself, with a private school education and all, can certainly understand such a thing.

IReadyou

Denver Bill is just wrong. In your analogy you are an undocumented driver who legally obtained your license and like a dummy didn't bring your papers with you. You can still retrieve them and show em to authorities later and repair your citation.

That was my second sentence. Go back and read my third sentence ...... very slowly.

DONALD MCNAUGHTON

Illegal is a crime !! Whats is next sending them to college?The legal Americans are paying for all the freebies! They do not even speak our language, so we continue to cater to them so way not spend the money on real Americans.

The Governor of California "JERRY BROWN" (DEM) just SIGNED a law last month that FORCES colleges who get state aid to give money to ILLEGALS for college.

It has already started. It is Called the California DREAM ACT.

Here read about it... http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jerry-Brown-signs-Dream-Act-for-illegal-immigrants-2327890.php

Jerry Brown is a MORON PANDERING IDIOT

Jerry Brown is in violation of federal law, which makes it illegal to aid or abet illegals.

He should be arrested and thrown in jail like the criminal he is.

Holder would do it if he weren't too busy suing states for trying to do what the federal government refuses to do.

Geezzz this country is twisted the hell up!!!

This story is filler.. the thing that caught my attention though was the liberal media's use of "undocumented" versus "illegal"... If liberals start claiming that the use of the word "illegal" when it comes to citizens of other countries entering and residing in our country without legally obtaining citizenship or a green card as "politically incorrect", I swear to God I am going to start shooting people.. I am sick to death of people trying to put nice, kind terms on ugly things. These people are breaking the law, and that makes them criminals. Yes, it is a complicated issue, but it doesn't change the fact that they are "illegal immigrants".. they migrated to our country illegally, without permission of the government. They broke the law to get here and are breaking the law to stay here. FFS, call a spade a spade and STFU.

"undocumented".. uh huh.. and drug dealers are "euphoria facilitators" and embezzlers are "company fund relocators"..

Sandie said:

Illegals are law breakers and those who break the law are criminals. It's actually pretty straightforward and I'm sure a person, such as yourself, with a private school education and all, can certainly understand such a thing.

Not everyone the government declares 'illegal' actually broke laws:

Blanca Catt, who at 19 still lives at home, wants to join the military or go to college like many in her Columbia Christian School graduating class. Instead she lives in fear she'll be deported. Catt, born in Mexico and smuggled into the U.S. as a toddler, was seized from abusive parents by the state of Oregon and placed into foster care with the Catts when she was 5 years old. The Catts adopted her three years later and said caseworkers told them their daughter automatically became a U.S. citizen.
That was not true. When Blanca tried to apply for a driver's permit at 16, she learned for the first time that crucial paperwork had never been filed to make her a citizen. She's been in limbo ever since, unable to apply for jobs or loans, or even fly to Disneyland with her graduating class. Now Catt is caught in a bind. Since she has turned 19, she faces tough penalties for being in the country illegally. If she is deported, she would have to wait 10 years to apply for re-entry. Lisa Catt, Blanca's mother, is frustrated that state workers never completed the paperwork and then failed to tell Blanca's adoptive family of the omission.

Lack of proper training of immigration inspectors resulted in their mistaken conclusion that Sharon McKnight’s passport was fraudulent. McKnight spent eight days in Jamaica before returning to New York. While there, her luggage, containing all her money, was stolen. Airport workers contributed money so she could reach family members. Once there, her mother flew to Jamaica from New York to take her case to the US consulate in Kingston. With the help of Rep. Michael Forbes (D-NY), consulate officials determined that the passport and birth certificate, which immigration officials had declared fraudulent, were in fact real, and established McKnight’s US citizenship.

When Angela Boneva, a 34 year old, went to renew her passport in 2003, the State Department told her she was no longer a citizen. Boneva's father was born in Indiana, and the US consulate in Bulgaria gave her U.S. citizenship while she was growing up in Bulgaria in 1981.The State Department said that an employee at the consulate broke a rule that required her father to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years before she was born, the Tribune reported. Her father had only lived in the U.S. for six years before his parents moved to Bulgaria.

Mr. Ibarra, 46, was born in Mexico but was raised since infancy in Arizona. In his late 20s he enlisted in the Marines and served three years on active duty, including time in Iraq, before being honorably discharged. On February 23, 2011 Department of Justice adjudicator Richard Phelps ruled in Eloy, Arizona that George Ibarra had by a preponderance of the evidence proven that he is indeed a citizen of the United States. Rather than apologize to Mr. Ibarra for previously wrongfully detaining him, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is holding Mr. Ibarra in solitary confinement at the Eloy Detention Center, in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution and a memorandum requiring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to release anyone with "probative evidence" of U.S. citizenship.

Hans Joachim Keil was arrested in Dutton in September and accused of being an illegal alien. He was an official representative of Samoa, a current Member of Parliament and a prominent businessman with many family links. He had diverted to Missouri on the way home from trade talks in Brussels where he represented Samoa. “They were going to lock me up for five years plus five years. Five years for impersonating a US citizen and five years for using an illegal US passport. On the day of my arrest when I brought to their attention, that I served in the US military … they threw that out the window and said that I’m an illegal alien and I have no right to be in the United States. They knew I was a Samoan diplomat but they had no regard for my diplomatic passport.”

More than two months after the earthquake that devastated Haiti, at least 30 survivors who were waved onto planes by Marines in the chaotic aftermath are prisoners of the United States immigration system, locked up since their arrival in detention centers in Florida. In Haiti, some were pulled from the rubble, their legal advocates say. Some lost parents, siblings or children. Many were seeking food, safety or medical care at the Port-au-Prince airport when terrifying aftershocks prompted hasty evacuations by military transports, with no time for immigration processing. None have criminal histories. But when they landed in the United States without visas, they were taken into custody by immigration authorities and held for deportation, even though deportations to Haiti have been suspended indefinitely since the earthquake. Legal advocates who stumbled on the survivors in February at the Broward County Transitional Center, a privately operated immigration jail in Pompano Beach, Fla., have tried for weeks to persuade government officials to release them to citizen relatives who are eager to take them in, letters and affidavits show.

Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he's never seen. His jailers shrugged off Warziniack's claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before ICE shipped him to Arizona.

Jerry Brown should be arrested and put in jail for pandering to illegals and their cronies, however that will never happen. Morons and political corruption put him 'back' into office after his disastrous first round at governor. Why, because California NOW has more people taking a check from the state, than taxpayers. Whether that be welfare recipients, those that are collecting 'retirements' from jobs (in bloated inflated amounts and early retirements) and/or using workers comp (yes, a HUGE problem in our state) or very very over paid public workers (one form or another)...

Now with illegals able to get access to welfare without proving who they are or proof of citizenship, this program will go down faster than the Hindenburg...and everything, including 'education' will be worthless coming from the state of California.

Angela LD...

My sentiments exactly...

Amanda-2017567,

Are you still paid by the Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups at the US to post your nonsense to dumb down US Citizens.

Amanda I've seen your posts for months on end now. You keep on telling your story yet you never listen to or take in ANY of the responses back to you. NOT even the ones that address you respectfully and try to help you focus on just how different your story is from the milllions upon millions that PURPOSElY/INTENTONALLY/WILLFULLY break the laws of the United States of America by entering then remaining in this country illegally. By obatining false documents in order to work, drive, receive public benefits. By breaking laws reagrding violence, theft, DUI and that list goes on and on. BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE SPENT ANNUALLY HOUSING ILLEGAL CRIMINALS IN OUR JAILS AND PRISON.Many of those criminals that get deported are back in this country BREAKING OUR LAWS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, with in weeks, somtimes days of being deported.

I think it's about you get over defending these kinds of people. Also, thru all of your posts over the months on this issue I think this is the first time you've stated things like you don't drive etc.. etc.. for fear of being apprehended and detained. I somehow think you not quite telling the truth but attempting only to support your unsupportable position. Legal ctitzens, victims of illegals in particular are completely FED UP with this situation, we are OUT OF ANY SYMPATHY, so you might as well stop trying to force your agenda on the anyone.

skrewdworld said;

Amanda I've seen your posts for months on end now. You keep on telling your story yet you never listen to or take in ANY of the responses back to you. NOT even the ones that address you respectfully and try to help you focus on just how different your story is from the milllions upon millions that PURPOSElY/INTENTONALLY/WILLFULLY break the laws of the United States of America by entering then remaining in this country illegally.

I realize that there are true illegals in this country, the ones who have crossed the border illegally and dealt drugs and shot a cop. I've acknowledged that and I have never denied that and have never advocated for anything less than deportation--what I advocate for is understanding of the situation, including the reasons why it's an issue and advancing long-term fixes for some of the problems, and I advocate for fairness for undocumenteds like me.

The reason I post--media has gone on for so long using 'undocumented' as a politically correct term that people no longer recognize that undocumenteds like me are a distinctly separate class of people. There was one poster above who didn't even know there was such a thing as a stateless person.

I think it's about you get over defending these kinds of people.

I have never defended the truly illegal border jumpers. They need to be deported. On the article about the undocumenteds in the 'Undocubus' I specifically stated that they needed to b deported.

Also, thru all of your posts over the months on this issue I think this is the first time you've stated things like you don't drive etc.. etc.. for fear of being apprehended and detained.

This is not the first time I've said that, feel free to check my post history.

Legal ctitzens, victims of illegals in particular are completely FED UP with this situation,

I too am fed up with the situation over illegals. Because of them, I was unfairly lumped in with them and am still stigmatized and marginalized. If it wasn't for the 'illegal' situation' and the private prison system that is making huge bucks off detaining people like me, I would never have been in trouble.

we are OUT OF ANY SYMPATHY, so you might as well stop trying to force your agenda on the anyone.

My agenda, as you call it, is to educate people on the difference between undocumented and illegal and to point out that if you want anything to be done about the problem, you have to take care of everyone making money off the 'illegal' situation. If we didn't have illegals, the media wouldn't have news to get more people reading and commenting; politicians wouldn't have a platform to run on; employers wouldn't have a pool of cheap steady labor; private prisons wouldn't have a pool of thousands of detainees sitting in their private prisons on taxpayer dollar; Homeland Security wouldn't need to keep asking Congress for $50k a year to incarcerate an illegal or an undocumented or a citizen.

Get rid of the industrial complexes that make money off the 'illegal situation' and we can start getting a handle on the problem. And you're not going to get rid of those industrial complexes until we the people start saying 'we don't want any more of our tax money going to this', and you start writing your Congressmen to pass laws providing real long-term solutions rather than feeding more money into the situation.

Good, hopefully he learned he can register to enter the USA legally if he ever decides to come back.

Isn't the GED from America the equivalent to a Doctorate in Mexico?

You know, I agree with your sentiments 100%.

I do think a bit more education may improve you useage and spelling though.

Perhaps enrolling in a GED course would be of benefit LOL.

may improve you useage.....lol....Cowboy you should heed your own advice, and don't forget that a sentence shouldn't be started with I.

How about the fact that they both ended sentences with a preposition?

yea we give our taxes up so easily we send it to countries that hate us and some who should have more money than us but goes to the elite and not the people. hey that sounds like our politicians ideas i say stop all foriegn aid and stop with the freebies some think they are entitled to and get our country under controll out with the lifer politicians and so on we all know what needs to be done

cjr2144...Exactly what I wanted to post, but did not want to drift too far off from the topic at hand. That usually ends up with people competing to see who can hurl the most insults, using juvenile statements in regards to someone else's sexual practices, who does what to whom ,where and with what, etc.. :)

They gave a list of Socialist Countries a couple of nights ago.. These Countries WILL NOT ACCEPT any new immigrants especially if they have no education, money, etc.. We in this Country are idiots and need to vote these politicians out.. Until we get someone in that understands we don't use people for their advantage.. Obama would never have allowed you here but only because he is up for re/election..So don't think your special.. After the election, WATCH OUT...

If we truley wanted to put an end to illegal (I will not call them undocumented) immigration, we should adopt Mexico's immigration laws. Fair is fair...

Hell Mexico encourages them to come here. Even helpa them fill out paperwork for foodstamps etc.. and tells them what to do and where to go for assistance once the ygt acrosss the border.Yet Mexicos immigration policies are way stricter than ours. You have to be able to support yourself if you want to live there and even then you might not get citizenship. Mexico just loves dumping their poor and uneducated in Americas' lap!!!!!

The reason Mexico cries foul when their citizens get deported from being illegally here is because they no longer are sending money back into the Mexican economy.

Read this and then try to tell me that Obama is just looking for Latino votes. What does he care? He is already worth millions, himself.

Mexican President Thanks Obama for Immigration

At a bilateral meeting in Los Cabos, Mexican president Felipe Calderón thanked President Obama for his Friday announcement not to prosecute young illegal immigrants:

I would like to thank personally, and on behalf of the Mexican nation, President Barack Obama for his valuable decision by executive order to give an opportunity for young people who were not born in the United States but who arrived in that great nation before they were 16 years of age, or who are studying in university, or who have served in the United States armed forces, for them not to be deported for at least a period of two years, so this is a clear and certain situation for them.

We believe that this is very just. It's a humanitarian action. And it's an unprecedented action in our opinion. And in this sense, Mr. President, we would like to thank you for the valor and courage that you had in implementing this action. I am sure that many, many families in the United States of America are thankful to you as well.

Sorry...This was copied from The Weekly Standard www,weeklystandard.com written by Daniel Halper in the June 12, 2012 Blog.

I'm not clear on what closing the border would accomplish. Illegal aliens are already circumventing legal procedures to enter the country, they would just continue to do so if the borders were closed.

Go home, help your own Country.. Leave us to work out our issues and when the time comes, enter the Country legally..

AMEN !!!!

Amen, and amen again!

Amen again, but sadly, your gov no longer listens to it's citizens wishes, it does as it damn well pleases, and has for decades.

You are not afraid to speak the truth! You are a real American!

All it would take is ONE REAL AMERICAN to go on a rampage at a Mexican consulate!

BANG, BANG, BANG, No more Mr. Nice Gringo!

Tell them NO More Illegal Aliens, NO US Taxpayer paid Amnesty for Illegal Aliens, NO US Taxpayer paid Public Assistance of Any Kind, Enforce the US Immigration Laws.

Contact President Obama:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

Contact US Congress (Both Houses and Committees):

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

That's what I keep saying David. We can't just sit in front of our computers and bitch on sites like this. IF we want this problem to STOP we have to actively voice these opinions to our leadership OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!

My Mother was a teacher in the Sacramento School district back in the 60's. They were having basically the same problem as you speak of today, but they had no answers to what the problems were, so they did a major study on the Hispanics/Latinos within the school district. When it was over with, the school district never released the findings. At some kind of party for the teachers and staff, my Mother was curious about the findings, and asked the Principal about the study. The Principal told her, that the study found that the Hispanics/Latinos were just plain out lazy, and did not want to make any kind of effort to learn English or for that matter any thing else. I guess it would not look very good releasing that information, so they covered it up. But sadly for us, or should I say unfortunately for us, they are good at multiplication, and in this age of technology, we can't afford more dumbing down of our country. Sorry, but a majority of these folks are not a benefit, they are a negative for our country in the long run...

I just took 4 buses from my house (round trip) and never heard a word of ENGLISH from the brown noses. Why bother?

Everything is now in SPANISH for the folks over 40 who are too lazy or stupid to try anything that requires an effort.

REMEMBER: Hitler's Nazi Germany did EXACTLY THE SAME THING to countries they took over. Everything in GERMAN!

"Mexican Americans love education so they go to night school
and they take spanish and get a B"

Cheech Marin, "Mexican-Americans"

Not defending the border and periodic amnesty has been the policy for a generation. We "fall so low" because we keep electing the same bozos election after election.

Congress' approval rating slipped below 20%...but they maintained their 95% reelection rate because of the way US citizens vote...and that's "both parties" -using the phrase sarcastically.

We can't even imagine what voting disobediently would look like. When it's suggested, we unanimously protest..."but only the RepublicansandDemocrats have a chance of winning"

independent

How on earth did this Country fall so low to find us where we are today?

Yea, thirty years ago the good old days right? What was that guys name? You know, the one who give them all amnesty.

flnobody

The name you're looking for is Reagan. As in President Ronald Reagan.

Of course, you neglected to note that, while he did in fact give "amnesty" to millions of illegal aliens, it was done as there had been an agreement made with the opposition party to actually close the borders to further illegal entry. That agreement worked out really well now didn't it.

And what party was is that reneged on that agreement?

@XD.....Once again my friend, you tell it like it is.

XDm9mm

You forgot to note that the Amnesty Program was a deal made with Tip O'Neil. The deal was to secure the border in return for the Amnesty. What did we get? An Amnesty Program with an open border. The Democrats didn't hold up their part of the bargain.

Just to set the record straight...

The 1986 amnesty was Ted Kennedy's idea, and strictly enforcing existing immigration laws from then forward, promised by the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, was supposed to be part of the deal. So Reagan (who later said it was the biggest mistake he made) and Congress (Dems and Repubs alike) went along and gave amnesty to almost 3 million illegal aliens, sending the message, that if you can steal in and stay long enough, the Americans will reward your illegal acts by giving you amnesty. (How strong was that message? We now have 4 times as many, or more, wanting amnesty.)

“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.”

hs321:

Ted Kennedy is also on record saying these wonderful illegals send home 48 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR in remittances.

What IDIOT would say 48 BILLION DOLLARS leaving the US is A GOOD THING?

Ted Kennedy did!!

Glad he's barking in HELL right now!

Slodon -

That is absolutely correct and, may I add, that it was NEVER the Dem's intent to follow through on the promise.

The same will hold true for ANY immigration deals.

"I'll pay you next week for a hamburger today".

The economic facts of amnesty is that the next wave of illegal immigrants will have compatriots, friends and relatives to stay with, further lessening the burden on their employers... who used to provide barracks.

Follow the money, do not believe what they say, watch what they do...and US politics is no longer a mystery...at all.

I find it strange when I see Mexican citizens driving around brand new SUV's, live in nice houses and yet no one can figure out how they are doing it, if they can't afford a damn GED test! The only thing I can figure out is that they cram two to four families in one house and everyone splits the cost. Unfortunately, that many multiplied by thousands tends to cause economic and social chaos within a community by draining the resources of schools and medical facilities. I say kick their asses out if they are playing games. Do you think the Mexican Government would allow you to stay in their country without some source of funds. And how about trying to get a job there, not that easy I understand. Those that come here do not want to assimilate and become American but Mexican living in America. Just check the websites of Mecha and La Raza both are Fifth Column organizations that support take over of former lands owned by Mexico.

I as an American refuse to speak your language! Assimilate as Teddy Roosevelt said many years ago!

Spanish is not their language. Their languages have either been lost or marginalized. Spanish, like English, is a European language. Spanish is the language of their ancestor's conquerors.

hs, they're mostly Spanish in ancestry. The Indios are discriminated against by them in Mexico and the other countries. Funny, discrimination is fine for them to do--try being a Guatemalan crossing the S. Mexican border.

Fedral Motor carrier laws say you have to be able to read and write English in order to have a CDL and drive comerical vehicles in this country. Then they turn around and let the tests be taken in other languages??? Enforce the laws and stop bending/breaking them to accomadate people unwillingly to learn to commuicate properly in English. I belive that English needs to be made the OFFICIAL language of this country. Frankly sick and tired of hearing....press 1 for English...

English is the official language of the U.S.A. The official language of Mexico is Spanish. My daughter's first year English class taught at our local community college (located approx. 35 miles north of Mexican border in AZ) was taught by a native Mexican teacher. She gave them poems written in Spanish by Mexican poets to first translate into English, then discuss the metaphors used. Something strike you as not quite right here? By the way; my daughter did nor take Spanish in HS.

Not just Mexicans but we are getting a increasing amount of Africans here as well, if we need immigration why cant we pick the best and brightest and not the stupidest and poorest?

Remember? Give me your wretched, tired, worn out, worthless huddled masses......Or something like that?

square dude

.....why cant we pick the best and brightest and not the stupidest and poorest?

How would democrats ever get elected then?

Square Dude- The best and the brightest APPLY for immigration permission. With quotas, it takes years to make it here legally.

Mexicans getting into the U.S. is of vital importance to the Mexican government and is the reason they openly and overtly encourage and assist the illegals. The vast majority of those crossing the border are uneducated/under-educated, poor peasants that the Mexican government does not want. By dumping their poor peasants in the U.S., they get multiple rewards. They no longer have to take responsibility for them in the form of welfare or medical or educating their children for free. And one of the primary rewards is the tens of billions of U.S. dollars the illegals send back to Mexico every year to take care of their families.

Mexico is not a friend of the U.S.

Give the ugly statue back to France with all the illegals.

A statue given as a gift DOES NOT incur the obligation to honor the message at it's base.
If that's the case, I'm going to erect my own statue "Send The Wetbacks Home" and start enforcing THAT.

No where on the poem on the statue of liberty can you find the word "illegal". No where.

And they will be guaranteed to vote democrap.

Why would they want to do that when the traitors who are running OUR country is willing to give them ours on a golden platter? Wouldn't you take it also if the shoe was on the other foot?

Actually no I wouldn't. Was raised better than that.

Oh, but he will, gladly. If the obamabots puts his dumbazz back in the oval office you can count on it, along with destroying the constitution, and the first and second amendments with it.

It's not that easy. First they have to promise to vote democrat the rest of their lives.

Square- they're "going" to be a burden??? Think they already are and have been for quite some time.

Hello Squre dude. You don' speek Engwish to wel doos you. Illegal no matter how old are a problem. Period.

Spellrd Wetbacks..

BacksWet!

If you think that they are not ALL (reps AND dems) in on this together you have had your head in a much more smelly place than sand.

Square dude-ista.

While correct that Obama has deported more, and, that he is FAR from the first President to NOT take action against illegals, his administration IS the first to deny the STATES the right to enforce their OWN state laws when it comes to illegal immigration.

I have a problem with the FED not enforcing FED laws, but, a bigger problem with the FED not allowing states to enforce STATE laws. If Ca., Tx., and Az. were allowed to enforce their own laws, the amount of illegals coming here would plummet by 90 %.

Obama is just trying to be fair to all. His own ILLEGAL AUNT from Kenya was allowed to remain in the U.S. after being ordered deported. Her remarks about welfare fraud were : "The u.S. is rich. They can afford it".

square-dude:...Obama has deported more than any other President ...

While this might be true, Prez-0 totally negated/offset those deportations when he granted a 'quasi-legal' status to these 1.7 million illegal aliens.

On top of that, it was against US Constitutional law / separation of powers for him to sign an Executive Order that circumvents US Immigration laws. Just because he does not like a law that was passed by Congress does not give him the right, and the US Constitution does not give the President the power, to order a law to not be enforced. If the Dems actually gave a damn about this country instead of about power, they would have been the first to invoke impeachment proceedings.

square dude

Obama has deported more than any other President ...

That would be nice it it was true, but it is just another Obama lie, that idiot liberal left wingnut d-bags like to tell.
According to DHS statistics Bush deported 2X the number of illegals Obama has.

But here are some fun facts that are true about Obama
1 - Mr Obama is the 1st POTUS with illegal alien relatives evading deportation orders.
2 - Mr Obama has offered more illegal aliens deferred action status and work permits than he has deported.

Well, maybe tomorrow night Romney will whoop his butt yet again and gain more ground on the muslim who believes he's king.

you are not the only angry American. Go to Chicago and work yur way south. Lots of illegal aliens. What we need is a law that states that if a business hires illegal aliens they lose their licenses to do business. Period. It will be amazing how fast they go running back to Mexico if the corporations can't hire them.

Take a guess at what is Mexico's 2nd source of legal foreign revenue - it's first being the revenues it gets from selling its oil overseas? (we all know the #1 source of illegal income is drugs).

It is the money which is mailed/wired into Mexico from Mexicans who are living in the United States (both legally here & illegally here). The best estimates is $24 billion / year. This is money not going back into the US economy, but supporting the economy of Mexico.

While illegals in the US are sucking on the teat of social services/free entitlement, it is the country/government of Mexico which is a leach on the US Economy.

ComradeChaos,Excellent pot and right on the money.Always follow the money.