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This courtroom sketch shows alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as he holds up a piece of paper during a court recess at his hearing on Monday at the U.S. Navy base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Updated at 5:20 p.m. ET: The self-professed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, which resulted in the deaths of 2,976 people, appeared before a military judge at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba on Monday after months of delays due to scheduling conflicts, religious observances, an Internet outage and a tropical storm.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed shocked some observers by appearing with a long, full beard that had been dyed bright reddish-orange. He appeared before Judge Army Col. James Pohl for the start of a week of pretrial hearings, along with co-defendants Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, a Pakistani; Mustafa Al Hawsawi, a Saudi; and Walid Bin Attash and Ramzi Binalshibh, two men from Yemen.
Unlike their last appearance in court in May, which was disrupted several times by the defendants, the five men sat quietly at the defense table, under the watchful eyes of military guards and several family members of the 9/11 victims, The Associated Press reported. All seemed to be cooperating with their attorneys. Mohammed read legal papers. Two others responded politely to the judge when they were asked questions, according to the AP.
All the defendants wore white robes and turbans, and spoke openly with one another throughout the course of the day.
The men, being prosecuted in a special military tribunal for war-time offenses, are charged with conspiring with al-Qaida, attacking civilians and civilian targets, murder in violation of the laws of war, destruction of property, hijacking and terrorism. All five could face the death penalty if convicted.
Associated Press
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged Sept. 11 mastermind, is seen shortly after his capture in Pakistan in this photo taken on March 1, 2003.
The families of people killed in the Sept. 11 attacks were invited to military installations in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland and New York City to watch the pretrial hearings on closed-circuit television, NBCNewYork.com reported.
Getting the terror suspects to this point has been a years-long process mired in political and legal arguments over the defendants' rights, the use of evidence that may have been derived through torture, and the proper venue for the proceedings. The actual trial is expected to be at least a year away.
The pretrial hearings this week will cover a series of motions filed by the various defense teams, dealing primarily with secrecy issues and the detainees' rights.
The most controversial issue, which was not taken up by the end of the first day, is a challenge to the government's gag order on any information gained during interrogation of the detainees. The ACLU and more than one dozen news organizations filed a motion to oppose to government's gag order. The government maintains the order is necessary to protect classified intelligence-gathering techniques.
Defendants may skip hearings
On Monday, prosecutors and lawyers spent hours arguing the most preliminary of issues, including whether the defendants have to be in court at all, with one attorney saying the hearings may dredge up bad memories of their harsh treatment in CIA detention.
Defense attorney Capt. Michael Schwartz argued that the detainees should not be forced to come to court because the process of forcibly removing them from their cells is traumatic and reminiscent of harsh interrogation techniques.
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Schwartz said that if the court was considering forced cell extraction it had to talk about torture.
"No we don't," the judge said quickly.
"I think we do," Schwartz said.
"I'm telling you I don't think that's relevant in this issue. That's the end of that, move on to something else," Pohl retorted.
But Schwartz persisted, saying he needs to address the issue of torture.
"No you don't," the judge said more forcefully this time, adding that the defense does not have the opportunity to make an argument that he sees as irrelevant.
After a prolonged and heated back-and-forth, the detainees were granted the right to waive their attendence at the hearings at least until jurors are assembled for the actual trial, but they must sign a waiver each day they choose not to attend.
Toward the end of the day, the judge asked each of the five detainees a series of questions to ensure they understand their new rights to waive attendance at their sessions.
Binalshibh answered each of his questions in imperfect English, veering into a perplexing discussion about escaping from Guantanamo and alleging unfair treatment from his guards.
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When asked whether he understands that the trial could ultimately continue even if he is not present, Binalshibh looked perplexed, saying, "that is a very wide word, can you be concrete?"
"I'm not implying that I think you are going to escape," the judge said, adding that if that were to happen, the trial could continue without him being there.
"Escaping from custody?" Binalshibh asked.
"I'm not saying you're going to," the judge said, asking again whether he understands that the trial could continue without him. Binalshibh seemed to smile as he said, "Yes I do."
Guantamo guards make things 'difficult'
He raised concerns about the fact that guards would be sent to bring him to the hearings, though, saying, "dealing with the guard is very difficult. They didn't report everything so correctly. Problems with guards can misreporting all things."
"Some guard when you have problem with them they can make it very difficult for us," he said.
Despite President Obama's vow to shut down Guantanamo Bay, the nation's most expensive prison is undergoing some costly new updates that would allow the facility to remain open for years. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.
When the judge recommended reporting any problems to his attorney, Binalshibh said, "Where can I call him? There is no time to contact him. Very difficult communication for us."
Mohammed answered his questions through his interpreter. He looked down and answered simply "yes" to every question, until at the end when asked whether he understands he doesn't have to attend the sessions.
"Yes, but I don't think there is any justice in this court," he said through his interpreter.
The court was in session for about five total hours, with several breaks throughout the day. It then adjourned until 9 a.m. ET. Tuesday.
Pohl was also expected to hear requests from news organizations on limiting closed courtrooms for secret sessions and be asked to decide whether the U.S. Constitution governs tribunals held at the U.S. base in Cuba.
The testy exchanges occurred during a hearing that was otherwise calm and orderly, in stark contrast to the chaotic 13-hour arraignment hearing in May, when defendants made defiant outbursts and refused to answer the judge's questions or listen through earphones to an Arabic-English translation of the proceedings. In those proceedings, one of the men was briefly restrained and two of them stood up to pray at one point.
Subsequent hearings had been pushed back for various reasons.
A hearing in July was postponed to allow the defendants to observe the holy month of Ramadan. Hearings in August were delayed when an Internet outage left the lawyers unable to access their electronic legal documents. That hearing was later canceled altogether as Tropical Storm Isaac approached. The storm caused no damage to the base.
A hearing scheduled for late September was also delayed because the work space for the defense lawyers was shut down due to a rat infestation and mold, which lawyers claimed were making them sick, Reuters reported.
Pohl ruled on Oct. 5 there would be no further postponements to the hearings.
An earlier attempt to try the five men at Guantanamo ended when the Obama administration tried to move the trials to New York City, where two of the hijacked planes slammed into the World Trade Center.
That was abandoned under pressure from Congress and from New Yorkers, and the charges were re-filed in Guantanamo.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Tell me again, who was complaining that they aren't getting a fair and speedy trial?
http://www.youtube.com/v/X-Xfti7qtT0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
What's the point of some kind of show trial BS? Just drown the mutts already and feed their carcasses to some local Cuban pigs.
first thing they need to do is shave this guys body.
bandit , I was thinking the same thing. My that's a lovely sweater he is wearing under that t- shirt. They should call that dirbag furback for short.
Is that Ron Jeremy?
There are several points here to consider:
1) Gitmo was supposed to have closed, Obama said, as his priority first day in office. It is still open.
2) The trial is NOT "set to begin", it is a year away from beginning (DOJ statement released yesterday).
3) Many detainees ahve been released and returned to their native countries, only to become a part of another terror attack against the US.
4) Why are we trying these terrorists as if they are a criminal who just robbed a 7-11?
Covenient timing for the Obama campaign unless you recall he promised to close Gitmo...
BTW waiting for the news of another amazing Seal raid on someone supposedly tied to killing the Americans in Libya... Clearly Obama screwed Libya up, whether it is how HIS administration (he runs the State Dept) handled the secutity requests, or more importantly how he continues to try and cover up his own response to the news of the murders by misleading America. He will pull some stunt before the debate to look good...
They "could" receive the death penalty. WTF kind of comment is that?! I mean, "really"! This Silver-back Lilly Foot guy masterminded an attack on America that killed almost 3 thousand innocent Americans and he just "might" get the death penalty.
Gotta think about this for a minute....
No wonder people are dying to get to America legally or not
You can leave Obama out of it there are many things he said he was going to do and has not done.
I am curious how many Iraqis or Afghanis were involved in 9-11. We attacked Afghanistan on the accusation that Bin Laden was responsible. We saw Husseins and his sons killed but according to the Bin Laden SEAL team he was not armed nor did he have any armor on which begs the question why did they kill him, would justice have not been served and given more closure to have him face justice from the country that he so hated, to be at our mercy so to speak. It was known where he was for many months, but instead of locking him up and throwing away the key we just shoot him in the head and then they bury him at sea so they said.
I am beginning to believe that the more afraid a people are the more willing they are to give up their rights. As Ben Franklin said " a society who is willing to give up their freedoms for a little security will lose both".
@Creek Dog well that is what we were and are being told but i doubt we will ever see the trial since its to be held on a military base under tight security and no publicity.
We're gonna organize a big Terrorist Execution Day party the day of their liquidation.
You should see him now! Shave him? Naw he should be waxed! Then wacked!
Obama is really getting desperate, he is even letting those protected Gitmo terrorists finally go to the military trails that should have been done long, long, long ago. Instead he spent a few million of our tax dollars building them some nice new exercise facilities. Guess that bus can hit anyone if it would get him even a little chance of being re-elected. NOT HAPPENING, because this time his skin color won't be the only measure to vote on.
That was the first thing that popped into my head, too! What turned Ron towards terrorism?
These are foreign terrorist who massacred thousands of U.S. citizens. They deserve exactly 0 constitutional rights or protections, there shouldn't even a be a discussion about it. A swift and speedy trial is more than they deserve. Get it over with already.
gitmo is still open, and willard wants to arm rebels in syria to do al-qaeda's work for them. any wonder why non-dooshbags will vote 3rd party in november? johnson/gray 2012 !
Nonsense! If I waterboard you 87 times, I can get you to admit that you planned and executed the 9/11/2001 "terrorist" attacks too.
Al qaeda had no way of knowing that we would be running military amd national "Security" drills on the morning of 9/11 which would leave us only 4 interceptors to guard the entire East coast of America. A dereliction of duty which should have resulted in the firing and criminal probes of all the brass which allowed such a weak defensive position to exist, drills or no drills.
Al qaeda's choice to "hijack" only fly-by-wire aircraft is equally dubious, for they would be the most likely aircraft to be impossible to successfully commandeer here in the USA. All the FAA would need is a "backdoor" into the flight computers of any "hijacked" aircraft, and the ability to use them as a flying bomb of terror would be ended. To not have that simple capability in the 21st century would also be a dereliction of duty and criminal negligence by the FAA and NORAD.
You guys crack me up! Obama tried to close Gitmo. Republicans said NO! They didn't want Gitmo's prisoners inside the USA. So now you blame Obama? Puhleeeze!
Also the father of murdered Libyan ambassador has gone public and asked that his son's death NOT be used by Republicans for political ammo against Obama. Show some respect!
9/11 was an inside job. Oh, and we're mad because our people get killed in the Mid East. What would WE do if THEY had troops occupying THIS country? Get real, people.
No Paul...if the FAA and the "Gubment" had access to inflight computers...they could be hacked by the bad guys also. Don't you remember the drone the Iranians shot down.
Obama's incompetence and inaction caused the deaths.
And no marlane...it was not an inside job, no proof at all except in your twisted mind.
If any of you of the right side of politics paid attention, you would be aware that the republican hawks fought the closing of Gitmo. They didn't want them on American soil, and stopped Obama from closing Gitmo due to "security" issues. How about the last six years of Bush's term; he didn't close nor say he would close the facility.
Listen, I wish you guys would quit blaming the Dems, OR the Reps. for anything to do with this article. Jez, I can't wait for the election to be over with. Look at this guys face. Whatever we're doing to him, we need to keep it up. Death (which is what he is asking for) is to good for him. He's miserable, let's keep him this way, the sorry sack of sh*t!
Well I guess we could simply execute them after having tortured them...and finish descending to a banana republic, but I don't think most Americans are ready to break out the brown shirts.
@Marlane....I agree! The 9/11 attacks were definitely an inside job yet they keep trying to sell this story about terrorists.....Please everyone check out all the information that is out there regarding this attack. Our own government killed thousands of people..........but have most people believing this BS!!!
Maxwell's Silver Hammer....."
(1) The Terrorists at Gitmo did NOT rob 7-11....they killed Americans. Therefore, they do NOT DESERVE to be tried in a civilian court. THEY ARE ENEMY COMBATANTS. Puhleeeze get some sense.
(2) The party who is making the Libyan issue political are the Progressives (Liberals~Democrats). Just ask Ms/Mrs Cuttless. SHE should show some respect, but I doubt if she knows how since she calls a Presidential candidate a FELON.
michael72....You tin foil hat is coming off at the seams. Show the posters some PROOF of your "conspiracy theory".
The PROOF, you require is a disingenuous demand. You won't allow us to engage in a real investigation of the mass murder of 2979 Americans, and then you bitch that there is no PROOF.
The lack of a real investigation into 9/11/2001 is evidence of GUILTY DEMEANOR by the Bush/Cheney administration. Criminal Science 101.
They were terrified the prisoners would escape. The funny part being that the only reasons these prisoners have never been tried in the past 11 years is simply because George Bush gave the order to torture them in order to get them to give confessions. I think they've finally found a military judge that has ruled those tortures cannot be used in court as a defense nor a matter of public record but the confessions can be. Makes sense. Any and every secret session is an open admittance that the things being discussed are the illegalities of the Bush administration that have prevented these trials from going forward and thus the Gitmo bases from being closed. The bases were kept open by the american publics demand they stay open in lieu of trials and executions of the detainees.
AND CONGRESS SAID NO!
Everyone knows Dick Cheney was the REAL mastermind. Another wasted story.
Hello folks, everyone on the planet knows what happened to America on that day except Americans!
The CIA used enhanced interrogation techniques to obtain highly valuable information from KSM and the other terrorists residing in Gitmo. The techniques were well controlled and never put their lives at risk. These guys have been drained of information. Time to execute them.
The US does not use EIT's on common criminals. They are just tried and either jailed or released. These terrorist only have one fate waiting, and it's not Disney world.
Torturing of prisoners did not begin and end with waterboarding. If the United States government actually felt and feel that they are exempt from the laws of war and that they were fully justified in using torture at any level, then stop the showcasing and move forward and let the court openly make their testimonies in front of the rest of the world instead of all this damn secrecy. If they felt justified to the point they gave orders stemming from a directive from the President of the United States to torture prisoners then it should be public knowledge. We do have the right to know if our military, Homeland Security or any other organisation are permitting criminal acts of war. I have seven sons and two daughters that could be effected by this criminal act in future conflicts. What the tortures show the rest of the world is that it is okay if they torture prisoners and that the United States will do torture their sons and daughters. Regardless of what terrorists are doing to prisoners is no excuse for government militaries or agencies using those criminal acts as a justification for their own actions which one day could be the very reason other countries pick up this practice and use the United States as their own justifications for tortures.
It's been over 11 years and the US has spent millions imprisoning these people and now millions more for needed upgrades on the gitmo facility... wtf
It costs $800,000 per year to house an inmate at gitmo. To house 171 inmates for the last four years would amount to $546.4 million, or somewhat less than the amount spent on Solyndra (but not all the rest of the failed green energy companies) during the same time period.
The republicans have block closing Gitmo six times in three years as recently as this last June.
Apparently Americans are too afraid to move some thugs to the mainland and try them here.
Exxon mobile gets 4 billion a year in subsides. Four thousand company's got stimulus money and two have had problems.
Mitts trust was invested in Solyndra, guess he and Bush both have bad pickers.
Taxpayer liability for the new nuclear plant in Georgia. 46 Billion dollars, Yes with a B.
*sighhh... Completely Democratic Majorities in both House and Senate for the first 2 minutes... no....wait.....I'm wrong.....that was the first TWO YEARS. (I stand corrected) So why didn't it get done then? Why didn't we focus on building refineries and jobs instead of obamacare... why didn't we even pass a budget... ?
And B) Why the hell are these soldiers being 'tried'? They are not American citizens, , , runners of traffic lights.... in for DUI....they are Enemy Combatants from other countries trying to keep the president from honoring his oath to Preserve Protect and Defend our liberty. Either set them free or eliminate them.
So much for the guy who said "Vote for me!" "I can get it done!" So much for the "One-term proposition".
How about in the future he just sticks to campaign promises he intends to keep?
With regard to Romney's trust - there's a huge difference in a citizen in a free country investing their own money in whatsoever legal endeavour they choose - assuming the personal risk with their OWN money, and being prepared to live with the consequences...
And a President, who swore to protect my right to my property... taking MY money and investing it with NO fear of negative consequences or loss, for political paybacks (other than losing the election when people find out).
The first would be called a bad investment. The second would be called stealing.
Gitmo - sounds like a place for money laundering!
TCWW, get your facts right first before you spew your uneducated nonsense.
at TCWW
How could the Republicans have blocked anything in the first two years of the Obama administration?
Please refer this reader to a list of the 4000 companies you claim Obama has given stimulus money to; otherwise, I'm going to claim that 3999 have since gone bankrupt taking over 90 Billion in green energy taxpayer dollars with them.
Obama claims 4.5 million new jobs created as a result of his 900 Billion stimulus program. Do the math, that's $200,000 spent for each job created.
Hey TCWW -
How about we close Gitmo and set these guys up in a prison next to your house... Sound good?
@Get Real
A prison is a prison and a criminal is a criminal. There are prisons in just about ever city they are called jails but any place where they take away your freedom is a prison. If you dont want they people free maybe they should do what they did with Osama Bin Laden just murder them. I see what the SEALs did to Bin Laden as murder since he was not armed nor did he have on any armor to prevent being seized. I am taking that info from the SEAL who wrote the book about his murder (capture) call it what you will. I do not call it justice unless its ordered by a court.
The problem with GITMO is that the prisoners housed there would be allowed certain rights if imprisoned on U.S. soil. This is why nobody wants them, and why Obama can't shut it down.. Us republicans knew this 4 years ago, which was why we let Obama make that promise, knowing that the only way he could follow through with it was to put the burden of dealing with these criminals on whichever state they were forced upon. So far no state has expressed any desire to deal with this issue, it brings way too much legal trouble, not to mention the ACLU will be able to sue the heck out of everyone involved.
The problem is, nobody wants to deal with war criminals and other people who have committed major crimes against the U.S. on foreign soil. They should just be shot, but so much attention has been directed at these people by groups like the ACLU, the liberals would freak out if these prisoners were just lined up and shot. Now the government is forced to have a trial, but there aren't that many laws about this sort of thing. It is entirely possible they won't have the grounds to execute and will end up letting these murderers go. Bin Laden wasn't the only one involved, and wasn't even really the mastermind, yet now that he is dead, it seems like the liberals have lost their desire for bringing those responsible to justice and make them pay for their actions. Over 80% of the population of the U.S. was crying for the government to find and kill these men, and now that only about 50% of the civilian population is interested in terrorists being dealt with, the thought of dealing with these prisoners is not popular any more.
More people know the stories behind each member of dancing with the stars than the criminals behind the murdering of thousands of their own people only a short decade ago. And sadly, most of them care more about whether we should be treating them better than what they did to get there.
Grandus11
My point was more over these are not your average criminals - in my book they committed war crimes and as such need to be treated in that fashion. As a whole they would attract potential undue attention to the area they are held in by other terrorists. So to that point they are not like any other criminal held in prisons across the US. BTW they get better treatment than the average criminal...wish my local kids got a new soccer field costing a couple hundred thousand buck!
I agree with your view on the murder of Bin Laden. To the world and to many Americans this is not what justice stands for. We held trials for the men in WW II who were in clear control of crimes against mankind - we didn't just shoot them. We didn't kill Hussein when we found him. He went on trial and was found guilty. Somehow this Administration thinks its above all that bother...
Mr. Miller: sighhh... Completely Democratic Majorities in both House and Senate for the first 2 minutes... no....wait.....I'm wrong.....that was the first TWO YEARS. (I stand corrected) So why didn't it get done then?
Allow me to explain: Congress did not have a filibuster proof congress. There must be 60 WORKING dems for that to happen, and if you will do the homework you will find that through illness and the Minnesota court fight over who really won the election there were not a full 60 for the "complete control" myth you speak of.
As far as I'm concerned, we should solder these scumbags into an old railroad car, leaving just enough holes in the side to let about a gallon of water to seep in per hour. Make sure it's weighted enough to sink. Then tie it to the bottom of a 747 and fly out over the Atlantic Ocean. Once the plane is over the open ocean, maybe where the water is a mile or two deep, cut the rope. Figure it would take them about a week to drown.
This should have been done years ago.
Bye, bye, skunks. Save the taxpayers a whole lot of money.
So Hammer, that's settled. But what difference did it make?
Obama's request to the Dem controlled Senate to close Gitmo was defeated 90-6. Then Obama got the brilliant idea to bring the top terrorist to NY for trial which he had the authority to do....but he backed down. (Gasp!)
Obama did get his 900 Billion stimulus bill passed through Congress and created (so he claims) 4.5 million jobs...which is at a cost of only $200,000 per new job.(Gulp)
Get it, the Dems don't care about "justice" for terrorist...just how much money they can spend? (Ha, ha)
Most of us would be happy if we could find One Working Dem. Of course "we" have Ol' Joe as an example of the "middle class." False teeth and false mouth.
DaveK:
Be careful how you insult the ACLU. Because of their efforts, fat, overpaid drug addicts like Rush Lintballs can blast their 1st Amendment rights over the airwaves without repercussion.
Odd how the self-righteous righties want to blast the ACLU as a liberal organization, but run under the organization's "skirt" when the sh!t hits the fan. But again, no mystery that the hypocrit TeaPubs act in such irrational ways.
Obama fouled this up. There's no excuse for bumbling this matter. This whole situation only adds to our frustration and pain like everything else he does. Those furry smiling dogs should have been executed years ago! How much more insult should we tolerate from Obama before we kick him out! USE YOU VOTE.
Like Obama really has control over these proceedings. Grow up
Hey Denver Billy-Boy & fartpaddler, Ol' Buddies -
Got FOX ???????????
Obam only promised to close git because that is what the sheeple wanted to hear. He knew full well that he was passing warm air when he offered up that bit of fodder.
What do they want to hear for this coming election - free stuff payed for by the toil of others.
As for me, I wouldn't mind hearing the U-Haul pulling away with the old and another one pulling up with the new. But then again, thats just me (and hopefully enough others to make it come true)
http://www.youtube.com/v/X-Xfti7qtT0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Tell your republicans who should have never opened this facility for this use and who have blocked it's closer six times in the last three years.
Ahhhh, name calling. The mark of a well reasoned and persuasive argument. I might be hurt, if I valued your opinion.
TCWW: NOT closing GITMO is the ONLY good thing obama has done! He promised to close it down, then figured out that was a BAD idea. Had that been on the Mainland, you would have had allll kinds of muslim psycho's trying to bomb, attack, and/or free the prisoners. As it is, the Cuban's don't want any part of those muslim wackos. They're keeping the muslims in check... here on the Mainland, you'd have the ACLU trying to protect anyone attacking whichever insallation had these defendants housed. Don't believe me? Just look at all the liberal leaning nutjobs that wanted to give these NON AMEICAN murderers "fair" trails, as if they were American citizens.
Denver, yes that's a classic third grade level pseudo-liberal tactic. The fascinating aspect is how they are convinced they are intellectually and morally superior to the ones they hate and demonize.
It's very selfish to one's own "them" and then point plastic fingers at anyone else who has one.
get a dog... I gave you a star because you're right, he doesn't have control over much of anything else either.
Also for all those blaming Libya on Obama, you need to explain what the fact checkers discovered:
and you believe what that old senile pissant said sh1t eating grin buck teeth and bad breath
the only "hearing" these goat turds deserve is hearing the gun go off next to their eardrums...and then off to the 72 virgins...or was that 72 virginians ready with more guns to welcome them
I live in Virginia. I volunteer for the job so sign me up.
Agreed with one proviso - work a wee bit of pig into the equasion. mmmmmm-bacon
Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial,"
Eleven years is much too long. "Get 'er done!"
Did you notice there's no restriction of this right to citizens? Or any other group.
That's the US Constitution, which provids those rights to AMERICAN CITIZENS... not people that come to the US to murder.
mario, yes the 6th amendment does provide a speedy public trial, to our citizens! not to some of the worst mass murderers in history. they're lucky i wasn't in charge down there cuz these killers would have been killed off one by one over the past 11 years till they were all gone.
"In all criminal prosecutions,"
means "In all criminal prosecutions."
Eleven years is much too long. "Get 'er done!"
End this debacle ..POW's, no special rights. If they open their mouths disrespectfully, tape them shut.Let's get this over with, they are terrorists and dont want to be redeemed- ALL TERRORIST SHOULD BE SOT!THIS IS WAR .
they should be tortured untill we know EVERYTHING and then set on fire or droped out of highrises just like the people on 9/11 went thru
dkcg.....they are being tortured yet it was an inside job. Bush knew all about this attack.....INSIDE JOB!!
Torture and killing suspects is ALWAYS argaints the Constitution. Fair Trial must be speedy. Eleven years is much too long. Get 'er done!.
"In all criminal prosecutions,"
means "In all criminal prosecutions."
http://www.youtube.com/v/X-Xfti7qtT0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Why do we pay for this scum bag t live??? Why because Obama sympathizes with these Radical Muslims!!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/X-Xfti7qtT0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Wake up people this Obama is a not a true AMERICAN!!!!!
Why do we have to pay to keep alive hate-filled, biased, ignorant scum, like you?
@Chris
daaaan ! I hope you cant breed or vote ! And u call urself an American? Shame on you !
I will say he should just be put to death...just like Casey Anthony, Sandusky th emolester, th emom thatt murdered her 5 kids from some post BS stuff, and so many worthless human beings.
But, thats not how it goes...move to China...youwilll be hppier there ! And we will be glad to see u go.
Stevo 14, what grade were you in when you quit school, 4th or 5th?
ISN'T OLDDOG A CARTOON ?
you must be talking about my spelling...I did 4 years of college Sir..
I forgot to click spell ck ok? I recently had surgery on my hand...thus the typos...! find something like CARTOONS to pass your time Sir !
We need to put them all on trial, not just 5 or 6, and we need to do it immediately. They've all been denied their right to a speedy trial, and they need to go on trial in civilian courts, not military courts. They're criminals, not POW's. We also need to put PFC Bradley Manning on trial. This business of just locking up people and letting them rot in prisons is nothing short of criminal itself.
"TheKid" fits... you've no idea how the world works... "They're criminals, not POW's." No, they're BOTH. They declared war on the United States. They've broken almost all provisions in the Genieva Convention, they should be concidered War Criminals. They don't have a right to a speedy trial, they shouldn't be given any rights, at all. They didn't come to the US for a better life, or to protest some injustice in their world... they came to kill. They didn't send people here to better their country, they sent them to kill. They won't be happy unitl you're dead, your children are dead, your parents, friends, neighbors, and every man, woman, and child you've ever known, are dead. You want justice for them? How about YOU pick up a weapon, go to Iran, and join thier fight. I won't mind putting a 7.62mm round between your eyes then...
Countries declare war. Individuals are terrorists. These brainwashed idiots are not soldiers of war. They are sneaky terrorists.
Michelle please leave the silverware when you move in January 2013 !!!
Put them with Bin Laden!
How much have we spent on these dudes....couple million bucks or more....just think a .75 cent .308 would have taken care of all this wasted time....over 10 years and still counting......
Someone as violent as you appear to be, will certainly be arrested someday. In the spirit of the Golde Rule, I'll lobby to have them do unto you as you would do unto them.
Fair?
Goldne Rule: "Those who have the gold make the rules"
Musician666
"Someone as violent as you appear to be, will certainly be arrested someday. In the spirit of the Golde Rule, I'll lobby to have them do unto you as you would do unto them."
"Fair?"
Good thing nobody gives a s**t what you think!
OLDDOG
instead of putting peoples comments down, go have yourself a bourbon and take a nap man...its time !
stevo...why don't you take your own advice?
Musician666 is the biggest @!$%#ing retard I've seen here. So we shouldn't be violent/angry with the people who caused countless deathes, ok then asstard.
THIS CANT BE HAPPENING wasnt gitmo closed in 2009 that was 0bamas first signed order ,now its 2012 the old boy (OSOMA 0BAMA ) STILL TELLING LIES AND STEALING AND EATING RAW DOG MEAT
geeeez, like bush was so honest.
I find it interesting that Mr. Obama was all about closing down Gitmo, but then he got into office and left it to its own devices. Could it be because he was given information that the American oublic doesnt have that proved the installation was more than a PR football?
Or could it be that all those people that wanted it closed werent confortable with having those people put in jails near them for fear that they may have been wrong about these "innocent enemy combatants?
In what way, Stevo 14, did President Bush lie? The ENTIRE Intelligence Community stated there were WMD's in Iraq (mustard gas, syran gas, botchilism), Pres. Bush did what he did with the BLESSING of Congress.
Which lie are you referring to?
And... if you hold him to such a high standard, I'm hoping you hold obama to the same... being "told by (his) Intelligence Communtiy" that there was no issue with security at the Libian US Ambassy...
@sadden American
What lie? the lie that he told the American people on who was responsible for 911...two and a half times the people that died in 911 have been killed over a stupid war that never should have happened..THAT LIE !
Not to mention the ones that came back missing legs, arms, faces and burned etc !
And the lie that our economy would be fine...not fine buddy ! my retirement is gone, my home is gone/well going soon. THAT LIE ! My college Grad kids cant find jobs !
Am i thrilled with Obama? NO...he could have done more for sure...lets keep in mind he can do whatever he wants..he is congresses puppet ! Will I vote Obama again ? YES YES YES !
REPUBLICANS started a mess that is not so easy to clean up...
Obama did however get , kill, and dispose of some terrorists tho...right buddy ? NOT A LIE !
IM A SADDENED AMERICAN TOO..RETIREMENT IN Central or South America is looking brighter and brighter every day.
Obama could have done more for sure, congress rules..
Obama got a huge platter of crap handed to him...
Cleaning up someone else's mess is never easy or fast .
oh and btw, did you know that the Bush family bought something like 500, 000 acres or something in Latin America ? hmmmmm wonder if that's gonna be the next Bush Compound ?
@Steve 14, you would vote for someone that has increased taxes across the board (set for January 2013) and decrease military spending? Both of which will constrict our economy more. You need to read some econ books. Boy, you will get a rude awakening come November if BO gets in. You won't have anything left. Hope you smile a lot.
dj: Gitmo's closing has already been dealt with more than once on this vine. Please read 2.2 post:
Get it?
WAX This disgusting pig ! Then just shoot him! Save the money from the trial for the victims !
and after the painful waxing, force feed him pork, make him watch gay porn and judge Judy(Muslim men don't like women of authority, and even tho they suck each-other off, they are against gays as well). Then shoot him, with a belly full of pork, and a woody from gay porn !!!
make A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF IT...and watch it be the most virall video ever ! and teach his people a lesson !
hehehehehe
STEVO.....or SICKO???
tom-1768340
"STEVO.....or SICKO???"
BOY-O!
@ olddog47 and tom-BLABLABLA
a very good friend of mine is a contractor hired by our government in them Middle East, Afghanistan primarily , in the Muslim community as you may have heard, women have no rights and are basically there to clean, cook, stay covered and breed children..
He was shocked to say the least about the underground "man clubs" where its all hush hush, but they do eachother...
So , now that you have some facts, I guess its PORK FEEDING you have an issue with Fellas
EM WOLB !!
Stevo, these underground orgies that you talk about are not news. They are in your city too. And what was your good friend doing in those orgies? Observing?
They should throw Bush and Cheney in Gitmo. Watch the fall of building 7 and it will bring up some serious questions. Add on top of that BBC reporting it happening 20 minutes before it ever happened, something is off. We have forgot history (German Reichstang false flag, Gulf of Tonkin false flag, Etc.). 9/11 bought our way into the middle east. We have lost more freedoms since 9/11 and turned this "free" country into that of a TSA genital groping police state.
You're simply delusional! Quit listening to late night talk radio!
bereal4real, you are one of those 911 conspiracy theorists?
Thanks for the laugh; I would like to meet one of you in person. Good
entertainment, for sure.
Embrace your ignorance of the facts all you want, sheeple. WTC#7 was clearly brought down by exothermic devices such as nano-thermite. Orwell would be so proud of your embrace of the fascists' brainwash.
Paul
And Bush and Cheney planted the charges themselves. Bwaaaaaaaahaahaaa
Smarten up dude your ignorance is showing....
How is what I said a conspiracy theory? I said it was strange and it is a FACT BBC reported the building fall before it did. Watch the video of building 7 and give me your brillant explaination as to why it happened.
Before you marginalize an entire group of people who question the government's actions know that there is a lot of heros such as firefighters and police officers that responded that day that want answers as well.
@bereal4real.....I hear you on that! There are so many strange things that happened during these attacks that is can only be that it was an inside job.....I for one believe that totally!! But our government did a good job on brainwashing all the sheeple into believing their version! There was the telling of the story before it happened, the way the towers fell was definitely due to being professionally demolished, the cutting of the beams, the clean up right after so that no one could study the infrastructure....the stories told by witnesses seemed rehearsed etc.....everyone needs to check this out on you tube and inforwars.com. There are just too many unanswered questions to believe otherwise.
bereal4real, sheeple will be sheeple. They need wolves to justify their fears. The only scary part is that the actual wolves are dressed as sheep.
"WTC#7 was clearly brought down by exothermic devices"
You are absolutely correct. Fire is exothermic.
I am one of the silent majority in this country. I believe 9-11 was an inside job, but I also don't really care. The man will always win, no point in fighting him.
No, you're one of the dumbest 5% of the population.
Where are you getting this Right to a speedy trial crap from?
These are enemy combatants. Prisoners of War. They will get their trial and sentencing under the cover of secrecy and we the people will know nothing of it for reasons I won't cover here because most every day average Americans would refuse to accept a logical conclusion.
On a side note I have to wonder. If the prophet Mohammed and his name is so sacred to these goat bangers, then why do they give his name to their kids. Hypocrits each and every one of them.
I thought obama got rid of Gitmo back in '08, oh yeah thats right.
Not only did he not close it he expanded it.
The closing of Gitmo has already been dealth with multiple times on this vine. Please read post 2.2:
silver hammer what the hell does dealth mean? please get your ged before commenting 47% of the people have 0bama phones ,do you got an 0bama puter?
we don't spend that much on prisoners in u.s. prisons. wtf, either kill them or send them to an american prison where our prisons can teach them about bubba!
Our black prisoners are being taught Islam. Guess It's alright with NObama.
Get a set of metal bleachers, pour pigs blood on them, and sit all of the Gitmo detainees plus that savage Bastard at Fort Hood who is making a bigger mockery of the judicial system than it already is and wire up a 400 amp circuit and blow them all to hell and gone with their 72 virgins. Then as a capper, do not let them be buried for 7 days which should really piss the savages in the middle East off and they can start killing each other again.
Ostumbler finally putting his cousins on trial just in time for the election.
They need to keep this prison opened.If it for murdering suspect like this and they are a prisoner of war,then they don't need no Holiday Inn to live in.This is a prisoners of war prison and it don't need fixed up to be suitable.If you were prisoners of war in their country you would have it less comfortable then what they are staying in,so don't waste tax payers money on fixing this prison up for scum bags killers,murderers like them.But do keep the prison open for scum bags like these.They don't need a Holiday Inn,their not worthy of a nice place.I hope they hang their butts,or shoot them in front of a firing squad,kill them all they are scum bags murderers.
Who put Ron Jeremy in Gitmo??? Porn is not a form of terrorism!!! :)
LOL
I saw that picture and thought the same thing! Glad to know I'm not the only one.
Are you terlling us that they are taking the US officials involved to court?
Save a spot on those bleachers for musician666
Why was this trial postponed because of ....Ramadan? Really?? The article states the "holy" month of Ramadan. "Holy" to who? Sickening..
This crap should have been executed several years ago.slowly. They are not soldiers in a declared war.They are sneaks.
I tend to doubt that they ever will ever be executed, especially if muslim NObama is reelected.