Sadly,some of those homeless were no doubt veterans.The paintball shooting of homeless to me is the most inexcusable and disgusting behavior of any person no matter what they do for a living.This goes to prove that once a bully always a bully.

Hey...Arizona Army National Guard recruiters..there are thousands of homeless people who served our nation in the military and were in wars and received purple hearts and other medals. Those who did this should be kicked out of the Army National Guards!! Yup Arizona is a real pride state!

Miike, sadly when it comes to the thousands of homeless people who served our nation the prevailing thought is: Unless they are super rich or celebrities, who cares...

Now, I wrote off Arizona a long long time ago. The only way I'd be surprised is to hear something positive coming from that collection of trailer parks and meth labs they call a state.

So much so that even when I fly for work I make sure we don't ever stop or fly over that heap.

Sounds like these jerks need some active duty to wake them up. Arrogant little army sargeants that need someting to do.

Chris-749391,

I respectfully disagree.

I spent 20 years in Tucson. I attended the university there. These disgusting acts notwithstanding, it's a great place and the people are (in the vast majority of cases) friendly, outgoing and ready to help.

Regardless how terrible the acts of a few, I don't think you can fairly criticize the state when a few poor excuses for humanity make headlines for the tens of millions living there peaceably and lawfully.

I do agree this is absolutely horrendous. In any state--and regardless who is behind it--it's a black eye to the National Guard and those who serve honorably there.

Another fine example of the violent mentality of the American people, especially in their soldiers.

When not raping and assaulting soldiers at home, they are doing the same deeds abroad and includes engulfing the host community. If these soldiers shot American homeless with paintball around their neighborhood, imagine what combat-stressed out soldiers are doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

One day total of all rape and murder in Los Angeles, Phili, NYC, Chicago, and Detroit exceeds one year total of all rape and murder in Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Korea.

And it is highly doubtful that soldiers from these Asian nations are shooting paintballs at the local homeless in their neighborhoods. The homeless are left wondering, who are the terrorist?

This is truly sad for the individuals of the AANG who are doing the right thing. This is the kind of behavior that puts the "Nasty Garbage (NG) " back into the National Guard, a stigma that others have worked and struggled so hard to remove.

Lance Johnson-5076203

AZ is home of the recession. Houses are almost worthless and jobs are non-existent unless you want to clean a hotel room.

#1.9 - Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:54 PM CDT

...and this is relevant, how?

From the Privates up the chain to the top, everyone should be court marshaled and sent to Leavenworth if guilty (or not guilty in some cases -- knowing is just as bad). Even Civilians, Legislature members, Police, etc. who may have knowledge or participated should be arrested. MAKE Arizona a role model in what not to do. And make these a Federal Case.

Army, "Be All You Can Be". Just don't be worthless douchbag recuiters who shoot paintballs at homeless AMERICANS. Are you really serious???

What a bunch of garbage. The only saving grace is Governor Brewar will probably tear all of them new A holes in between drunken binges.

The highest-ranking officer at Arizona National Guard, Maj. Gen. Hugo Salazar, acknowledged discipline problems and failures by commanders.

This man needs to be relieved for cause right now. Not because his organization pulled this crap, but because if a newspaper knew about it...so did he. His response is completely unacceptable. NGB Office of the Inspector General should have been contacted with a request for a 15-6 Investigation. Those Recruiters are USC Title 32 AGRs; subject to the UCMJ. The IG's Office needs to rip through them like sh!t through a goose.

Apparently the National Guard has adopted many of the practices of the Catholic Church in dealing with pedophile priests: Transfer them, forget them, look the other way.

Hey, aren't the governors of each state responsible for the NG in their state? That makes her just as responsible as the commanders under her who failed to take earlier action to stop this kind of misconduct.

82AllAmericans

This is truly sad for the individuals of the AANG who are doing the right thing. This is the kind of behavior that puts the "Nasty Garbage (NG) " back into the National Guard, a stigma that others have worked and struggled so hard to remove.

Agreed! They deserve honorable, effective leadership...not this frat boy crap.

We should go to a punishment system where the offender gets exactly what he did to others, but times 10. Putting such bastards in jail is just a waste of tax money.

Max^108

We should go to a punishment system where the offender gets exactly what he did to others, but times 10. Putting such bastards in jail is just a waste of tax money.

Unnecessary. Court Marshal...bad conduct discharge...no benefits...no retirement...just unemployment. That saves the tax payer money.

No Ol' Doc. They would still be a financial burden to the rest of us if you simply put them as unemployed and it wouldn't be saving the taxpayers any money. Make them financially responsible for any and all damages (costs incurred imprisoning them for their actions, creating adequate housing for the homeless, providing jobs for those same homeless, etc.)

BTW, it is interesting that no one has commented on the fact that these same recruiters were "working in our high school recruitment programs." What examples to set for these students they were trying to recruit. Maybe they were spending their time trying to recruit gang members?

The fact that the governor had to go to investigators outside of the AZ National Guard says that this is a problem which permeates every aspect of the Guard.

If Gov. Brewer does not take control of the situation quickly, the President will have to nationalize the AZ National Guard and the Sec. of Defense will clean up the mess. At that point, you'd better believe that the entire command structure will be replaced. This is very very very bad.

Recruiters have been getting a bad rep for decades. Unfortunately, many of the stories and allegations are true. When General Jack O Bradshaw was in charge of the Army Recruiting Command things improved somewhat, yet the stories over the past 20 years keep coming about.

Another event that makes me feel ashamed to live in AZ. My faith in humanity is fading rapidly.

dirp

The fact that the governor had to go to investigators outside of the AZ National Guard says that this is a problem which permeates every aspect of the Guard.

If Gov. Brewer does not take control of the situation quickly, the President will have to nationalize the AZ National Guard and the Sec. of Defense will clean up the mess. At that point, you'd better believe that the entire command structure will be replaced. This is very very very bad.

The problem is that she doesn't know what she'd doing, starts flailing around all over the place and claims she is bringing other Guard Officers in to investigate. That sounds to me like an NGB OIG 15-6 Investigation which is what should happen...she just didn't need to talk about outside Guard Officers, which outside an NGB 15-6 would be pretty unusual, and I'm not sure it would even be authorized.

They like to dress up, ride around, and play soldier. Ship their @sses to Afghanistan and let them do it for real. There are a lot of hot spots that could use their kind of "bravery"!!!

As I stated above dirp, she should have taken control many months ago. She is and has been the CIC for the AANG since she became governor. Now that a newspaper has revealed the long history, she FiNALLY thinks she needs to take action? Does she really think that is going to save her a$$ from responsibility?

Maybe it is my ignorance as a civilian, but I always thought that recruiters were supposed to be the "shining examples" that would encourage others to join the service. Not bullies and sex-offenders who weren't wanted in any other duty. Just goes to show that the uniform doesn't make them a man worthy of respect.. that still has to be earned.

Hey Bandit 1.3: If it looks like so much fun why don't you volunteer to be the target...you seem like the kind of jackass who might enjoy it!

Can anyone say "firing squad" or "hanging". It used to be that military justice could be very harsh.

Futureshock2012

Maybe it is my ignorance as a civilian, but I always thought that recruiters were supposed to be the "shining examples" that would encourage others to join the service.

Not really. Quite a few are simply on a promotion fast-track. If you exceed mission, E-5 to E-7 in under 4 years is not unusual (with time in in grade waiver). Much more likely to retire a Sergeant Major as an AGR then other commands. As a matter of fact, while I've worked with some good people in Recruiting, there's also the opportunity for considerable waste, fraud and abuse.

What kind of a sick f*ck do you have to be to shoot paintballs at homeless people? Are you teaching recruits respect by these actions? FIRE THEM and make sure they are never eligible to work again for any branch of our military. God d*mn a**holes!

How charming. Arizona is, hands down, the sickest state in the US and I live in Florida.

uhhh Lance...

Houses are almost worthless and jobs are non-existent unless you want to clean a hotel room.

cleaning hotel rooms supposes there is a need...in other words, people must be traveling to AZ in order for there to be a need for motel housekeepers...get it?

So, why do you think there's an abundance of travel to AZ? Why wouldn't that correlate with jobs in other areas besides housekeeping? you might just think about what you post before posting next time...

Well what would you expect, Arizona, home of Brewer, and Arpaio...

Shoot paintballs at homeless American civilians, real bullets at overseas civilians, than call it "collateral damage!"

Chris, I normally have high regard for your comments but in this case I feel you are dead wrong! I am from Arizona am just as disgusted with this as most other people reading. I gave 20 years of my life to the service of my country of which I am very proud of. Those involved in these shameful acts need to be rooted out and punished accordingly under the UCMJ. I agree that this is a failure of the chain of command structure from the top down. What I find especially disgusting is those individuals posting above who think they have the moral high ground to try paint all troops from Arizona with the same brush! There are excellent ANG units in different parts of Arizona. This appears to be confined only to the Phoenix area, although that does not make it any less repugnant. This is a failure of the military chain of command, not a political one. Deal with it as such!

Is anyone really surprised by this news?? Really army recruiters have been given leeway to do just about anything they wish as long as they get bodies to do the fighting for the war mongers. Of course it seems like those in AZ are just going a step farther to have sadistic fun.

It looks like the Arizona command took lessons from the Catholic church with sexual abuse by their priests.

Just move them quietly out of town to a place where nobody knows them.

Problem solved (so they think).

Look like that anybody in command is not realy in charge and has not got the balls to except the resposibility that comes along with that.

Then again lately what else is new with our leaders, in or out of service.

Do not write Arizona off as completely gone. There are plenty of sane Republicans, Middlists (Indies, Centrists, etc), and Democrats here. Problem is our Tea Party legislature. Brewer did not used to be so bad but she has had to knee toe to the damn TP that got elected in; just like Boner in the House.

That said, someone deserves to get kicked out of the guard here. This behavior is completely disgusting.

Aren't these homeless people part of Romney's worthless 47%?

Geowil, you hit the nail on the head with the analysis of the Tea Party effect on once normal people. God save this country from the Tea Party.

Sounds like these recruiters should get to spend the next 24 months in an active combat zone. With their paintball guns.

This ain't nothing keep researching!!!

I love it when people think they are above the law...@ssholes!

Being in the Guard, I think this is despicable behavior. Recruiters aren't really held in the highest regard in the Army, warranted or not. This is just sad for the tens of thousands of good Soldiers who do a great job in the Guard. And for those who want them shipped out for deployment, I'm sure you have been there, right? Or AT LEAST served in the military. If not, save it. If so, then you know we don't need that kind of soldier there.

However, being a professional firefighter in the civilian world, I deal with the homeless ALOT. Was wondering why I never see any of the people on this board who are so concerned about the homeless? Like many of the issues in this country, got alot of people who are quick to voice opinions about things they are not willing to do a damn thing about. Weird.

As far as Arizona is concerned, I don't live there but I like the state. Regardless of what these recruiters did, the place is awesome. Making sweeping statements about the state and its citizens is B.S. the same could be said about some really crappy states like California, Louisiana and Florida, right? If you don't like it, stay away. I'm pretty sure they could care less.

WALLSTREETFATCAT Saying that most soldiers do this sort of thing is like calling all blacks, nig#rs. You know that is not true and all you are trying to do is stir up SH!T.

As an AZ resident, I am sure that the rest of the story is still to come. All that were involved in four investigations of the corruption in the AZ National Guard were drummed out or had false stories made up to discredit them. The only ones who are surviving (and getting promoted) are those who help to 'white-wash' the stories. And it applies to the Air National Guard also. Even worse is that Arpaio was told about the paintballing incident and chose not to investigate.

And the AZ Attorney General is being sued by the Maricopa County Attorney for violating election laws (but not being prosecuted - explain that!!!). Corruption goes to the highest levels. But as long as the corrupt are Republicans - that is ok with those in power, the voters, and the populace.

And the city of Quartzsite - it is illegal to oppose the city council. The local journalists have been arrested for writing negative stories. And the police even arrested their own police who refused to arrest these 'criminals'. One of the county sheriff's just died in a car wreck - with a blood alcohol of .3 (3 times the limit). The corruption is all over the state. Laws are not enforced. In fact - the law only seems to apply if you are hispanic, black, or a democrat. The police even seem to know who you voted for in prior elections - explain that one!!!

The federal government needs to step in and remove all elected officials in the state. Appoint a military governor.

While everybody is expressing their outrage over these douches paintballing the homeless, let's take a minute to look at the broader picture. These guys are accused of far worse than class A misdemeanors. We are talking about a string of felonies!

To quote from the article:

"... misbehavior over the past decade that included instances of sexual abuse, forgery, embezzlement and assaults, including riding in a Humvee and shooting paintball guns at homeless people."

SEXUAL ABUSE
FORGERY
EMBEZZLEMENT
ASSAULT

And, for anyone who knew about it and did nothing, we must add accessory before or after the fact. Criminals should be treated as criminals, regardless their position in society.

If even one of these people (I dare not call them men) is guilty then more of them must be as well since they rode together as it were. Apparently, the first thing all branches of military need to drill into their people is INTEGRITY. While some may have it, too many don't and, if they don't instill thaqt integrity in their recruits, then we will continue to have cases of U.S. military committinmg heinous crimes such as these overseas and casting a blight on an otherwise honorable group of men and women.

sounds like fun (shooting bums w/ paint) can I play??

anti-trust proponent

Hey, aren't the governors of each state responsible for the NG in their state? That makes her just as responsible as the commanders under her who failed to take earlier action to stop this kind of misconduct.

Sorry, that only applies to Democrats. The buck for Republicans always stops well short of the person in charge. Just ask Scooter Libby.

Well,

So much for any military honor code. When someone finally spoke up on the crimes committed, the whistle-blower was harrassed (just a pretty word for punished). Sex scandals in the Navy, at the Air Force Academy, test cheating at West Point, and blatant, active homophobia amongst Marine command despite orders all point to a systemic PR-based sense of military justice, and not the ideals of either the Service or the nation it represents. It appears that an all-volunteer Service clouds the issues of morality, modesty and ethics.

Court Martial, prison, fined for damages, followed with a "Dishonorable Discharge" for their actions. The same goes for their Commanders, who failed to hold their subordinates to the higher standards of conduct. Just more examples of the recent GOP behavior with voter suppression, etc., etc.!!!!!

Sicko individuals. Karma is a bitch.

This is most certainly NOT A BEHAVIOUR Issue. This is A CRIMINAL ISSUE.

And Gov. Brewer is certainly no judge in this matter or ANY OTHER MATTER.

Arizona is a black hole for moronic & ignorant behavior, we entice it, coddle it, expand it & profit from it every hour of every day .

The Attorney General is elected to protect the office of Governor , dam the people

The Gov. has staff members who profit from the incarceration of every prisoner, especially those "illegal" ones that they bleed the Fed's for at a premium price !

Our Gov. office is a revolving door of felons, Mobbed-up thugs & Right-Wing & has been since statehood .

If you buy a car in AZ you bought it from a RNC-GOP-NRA contributing business .

One former Republican Gov became the Chief of Staff for another, was caught & convicted of intimidating a judge on a criminal case... when the Supreme court of AZ got the case there was a unanimous decision...

this is a direct quote, the reason they found him NOT guilty was....

“There are times when an executive assistant to a governor, is required to issue strong directives in order to carry out the policy of the executive,”

In other words, if the Gov orders t you to commit a felony, it's OK as long as it's for the Gov !!

Get a bellyfull here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/us/politics/sam-steiger-congressman-from-arizona-dies-at-83.html

When Mob Boss Joe Bonano had a birthday, the Sheriff's from PHX & Tucson, the 2-Chief's of Police, the head of the State Patrol, 2 Ex-Gov's & AG's and a string of Limo's a half mile long along with 40 off duty Tucson Police for security all wished Joe the Don happy birthday before the UofA accepted a cool Million from him for a Bldg that mysteriously changed names in the middle of the night to avoid even MORE bad publicity .

The ONLY thing that is a saving grace is that AZ is not Texas, which makes AZ look amateur by comparison .

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f8/t000905.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_o6g5uKCF0ztwUeDNQtWb9I

http://roguecolumnist.typepad.com/rogue_columnist/2009/09/phoenix-101-underworld.html

Then there is this about a Reagan connection:

"That January, the F.B.I. was closing in on Joseph Bonanno, known as Joe Bananas, the head of one of New York City's five Mafia families, who owned a house in Arizona.

F.B.I. agents in Phoenix made an unexpected discovery: According to records, "the son of Ronald Reagan, Michael, was associating with the son of Joe Bonnano [sic]." That is, Michael Reagan, the adopted son of Reagan and Ms. Wyman, was consorting with Bonanno's son, Joseph Jr. "

http://www.scribd.com/doc/106191474/Who-is-George-Scott-in-George-Romney-s-FBI-File

I guess it was Bishop Willard who squealed on Michael Reagan !!

Only a complete idiot would blame this incident on the people of AZ. It was a few National Guard Recruiters dummies! And the morons that say it's the fault of the GPO, Romney, Tea Party, and that the recruiters should get life in Leavenworth Federal Prison need to be nuetered so they can't breed. You have no reading comprehension. You people need to turn the Cartoon Channel off and get a life. Oh, yes, Obama wants you to vote early & often, like you did last time.

Zheng He, well said. Sadly more than a few complete idiots are posting here at this time. I pity them for their stupidity as ignorance does not apply here. Ignorant people do not know any better but can be taught. Stupidity on the other hand is unforgivable because because they know better and do something wrong anyway!

Zheng He and Ed-NavDoc.

Good on you for hitting the nail on the head. Black holes of moronic and ignorant behavior are found EVERYWHERE, huh?

Mr. Fids, You know your dirt-bags well in Arizona, kudos! With well over three decades of real working experience I'd say that Arizona will top Texas if it hasn't already. In Sierra Vista (Home of the top-secret Signal & Intel Corps) a crew of active-duty army guys were sent to prison for being in the pockets of the Narcos. They were caught after a long history of transporting product right through the sprawling base located a few miles from Narcoland, Mexico. They too used Government vehicles to commit criminal acts Here along the Arizona/Mexighanistan border the Port of entry at Nogales is named after Tucson's greatest University area slumlord, Dennis De Concinni. He only did well going after sacrificial lambs thrown by the Mob and Narco-Nasties. Made an additional fortune magically acquiring scrap land that he then sold to the State when the CAP came to light. Corruption is very big business here in Arizona. In Tucson they're missing 230 million dollars in a failed Rio Nuevo (New River) development that is now known as Rio Nada (River Nothing). The Santa Cruz River is bone-dry 350 days out of a year! The FBI is looking at it closely, especially now that they have a huge Southwest Headquarters located across the street from the half-mile square empty lot of Rio Nada! Anyone can see how the Arizona National Guard fails as a standout organization. Many other states have the same problem too. But as backward as Arizona seems to be for most folks it came out here first. Thank-you Gov. Brewer! It is said that there's always a few bad apples in the basket, but in this case the root of the tree is infected. It all starts at the top. Know some members personally and they're top-notch folks. Know a few that are in the pockets of the Narcos too. So it doesn't surprise anyone down here that these miscreants in Uniform are just the tip of the iceberg. At the peak we have Crypt-keeper looking Jan Brewer and her minion Salazar to the bottom, the perps. What a disgrace to the Uniform and to the nation the Guard represents! I did my hard time in the Green and have known that $hit like this went on since the beginning. Like most voicing their concerns, nothing was done to correct it. My nephew told the same story years ago at how bad the Guard here in Arizona was. The lying, in-accountability, mass misappropriation of Government property and Taxpayer funds. It's so bad that CID has folks looking for missing property at yard sales and the infamous Tanque Verde Swap Meet in Tucson, (Home of Davis-Monthan AFB) He opted out of the game after his stint as a gunner in Afghanistan with the 82nd with three tours under his belt. He said that it wasn't what he repped in Uniform. We'll see how deep the powers that be will want to dig. More than likely they'll use a tea-spoon!

Must be a minority, Arizona is so far right, they make the tea party look communist. It's a shame too because Arizona is one of my favorite states to visit.

Actually the tea party is already pretty communist. Both groups are against letting some people vote. Neither groups looks well on those who disagree with them. Both confuse loyalty to them with loyalty to the country. Both want a big government, provided they control it and lets them get away with anything while coming down hard on everyone else. Both aren't that big into environmental laws. Neither are really for the people despite their claims to the contrary. Both support spying on their fellow citizens they think are "disloyal". Both confuse "disloyal" with "holds different views than me". And both have two sets of rules, one for them and one for everyone else.

As a vet, I find this behavior despicable. On the other hand, we have had leaders at the very top (Presidents on down) who have had total disdain for the American people whom they took an oath to protect. "You go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had" was the answer Sec. Rumsfeld gave to a G.I who simply asked for more up-armor on Humvees that were cannon fodder for IEDs in Iraq. Of course, Rumsfeld, like many of those "leaders" never saw one day of battle himself, so its easy to understand (but still not right) why people like him can say such stupid things and be so out of touch. This nation should commit itself to a draft. That will force our politicians to chose which wars are worth fighting. I guarantee it would weed out those decisions in a hurry as no politician wants to send their kid(s) to a war of choice! Of course, many of them can also make sure their kid gets a cushy stateside base like old man Bush Sr. did for W. (who still went AWOL at his base!).

Yes, the quality of our military has been dumb down to the level of our leadership...and that is a sad thing indeed!

DOU44, having read your hateful rants in the past and that it is a good bet you are not from AZ or even have a clue about the state. I think we have also established in the past that you never served a day of your life in the service of this country, I think it is safe to say you have little or no credibility. BTW I just put you on ignore!

Semper-Fi NavDoc! The only redneck is DOUche44. I too did my time in Green, 2nd Marines 2/9 Black Holes and am appalled that this $hit still goes on. Been sent to the crappiest places on the planet, seen more and done even more. If Arizona is so tainted in the eyes of many why is it that we've got lots of folks moving in. Grant you, if it's down and dirty criminal or corrupting I know about it. It's my job to know about it and pass it on as a courtesy bone here. Bought-and-paid-for media fizzles here. If it takes place the Middle-East, I know more than most. Got mucho moons there too. If it takes place in Arizona I know even more. Born and raised here. My playgrounds are now Narco routes for that much needed dope and cheap labor America and folks like DOUche44 demand. Got family on both sides of the issue, both sides of the border and both sides of the law. If it weren't for Arizona DOUche44 would be living with illegals and narcos! Boy, Arizona is your best shield! I was educated in New York, Virginia, California, Illinois and Maryland. I still take pride in my state and have returned... always. The actions of a few do not warrant an attack on Arizona nor the Guard as a whole. It's leaders, yes! Just like I can't attack all rednecks because of the words from DOUche44. Some folks are rednecks for good reason. Can't go after the state they reside in. He knows nothing on the subject and has even less experience on how the world works. DOUche44, drop the pipe, needle and spoon. Clean up that dope-hazed window you see the world from. Give something rather than take from America. Takers and the unfit to don a Uniform in service to America get no respect. I concur with Ed-NavDoc!

While I'm at it I agree on having mandatory service time, even a draft for war! We all know that the protected members of society's kids will not serve, but make the $hitbirds who choose to go to war accountable to the folks whose loved ones will! Let the public vote decide and not the $hitbirds in Congress. Wanna go to college even if you can afford the tuition? Still gotta serve first. Mom and Dad want you to go to college on their dime? Still gotta serve! Don't wanna be anything but a bum? Still gotta serve! No wars or conflict? Still gotta serve! 18 to 20? Gotta go! Tsuanami in a foreign land? Ship your asses there to help! Freedom has never been free. Freedom costs blood, sweat and tears. The only currency taken.

I might be wrong, but I think only after they are called up to Army National Guard of the United States do they fall under the Defense Department

The Guard rules were changed under Bush because the GOP was too cowardly and chickensheet to ask for a national mandotory draft when they had a majority for their lies calling for and acting upon the 2003 criminal physical destruction of undefended Iraq.

Proud and Oh2, you are both wrong! The national guard does fall under the governor. That's the reason the governor's allowed the call them out in times of a state emergencies. The pengaton only pays when they are on active duty.

Understand that virtually all of proudamericanveteran's posts are B.S. He is simply a troll.

proudamericanveteran were you sleep during civics or are you just a low information voter. The National Guard falls under the state's governor. The Reserves falls under Panetta. I guess since you say you are a veteran you didn't spend much time on chain of command.

When National Guard units are not under federal control, the governor is the commander-in-chief of the units of his or her respective state. To be under federal control...they have to be “Activated”...which simply means that a unit or individual of the reserve components has been placed on orders.

One of my renters is a staff sergeant in the Air National Guard in my state for over 20 years..he has been "Activated" over ten times for different conflicts in our world, he does maintenance work on the KC-135 Stratotankers.

Now my wife is a staff sergeant in that same unit..she also has over 20 years in the ANG..but she was never "Activated"..she does the paper work at the home base ( somebody has to do it).

So the point here is..my renter did have the federal gov't. in control when he was on orders..my wife never had the feds in control..only state in control of her until she has orders assigned to her.

proudamericanveteran = teabagger idiot

proudamericanveteran

Its the National Guard.. it falls under Panetta..... the obam bag man. Nice try.

Nice try yourself. Unless they were activated under USC Title 10, they belong to the Governor...It's her dirty toilet...don't blame the President or SecDOD.

mike277 -

Mike, the authority under which your wife serves is US Code Title 32. She is under the authority of the Governor of the State. The Gentleman you were referring to was also US Code Title 32 until he was federally activated. At that point he is transferred to US Code Title 10 (authority for active duty). Had your wife been activated, she would also have been under US Code Title 10.

Correct there Ol Doc..I'm not into that code stuff..but we are on same page I believe.

Just to say..I made my avatar the newest emblem of their unit...Air National Guard 108th Air Refueling Wing.

I'm proud of my renter and wife for serving our nation..wish I could but born almost deaf.

This is a criminal matter . Not a behaviour issue. It's called assault.

And Gov. Brewer IS NO JUDGE !!!!!!!

Mike277,

One correction. When a National Guard soldier or airman does their 2 weeks of annual training or go to a military school, they are considered on active duty. That's why orders are issued for these.

I have the slightest idea about that JS69..but I'm sure my wife was never on active duty.

That two week annual training is required from what I know....but my wife doesn't do the two weeks in a row with most of her unit. She just adds two days on to her regular one weekend per month ( like Thur,Fri added to the monthly weekend Sat & Sun.) she does this until two weeks worth of Thursdays and Fridays are over...about seven times (seven months). My wife was reading what I typed yesterday and said she has way over 20 years in the ANG..she has 34 years..she is 57 years old and still in the ANG and proud to be one. Not that she can't be Activated, but at that age I'm sure her commanding officer would say something.

Forgot to add to this "but I'm sure my wife was never on active duty" should of had in that sentence... in last 10 years anyway from my knowledge. In past yes she did go with her unit for annual training when she was younger.

Mike277, you have every reason to be proud of your wife. Service is still service whether it be active duty, retired, prior service, reserves, ANG, or NG. I salute her and you as well. Being the spouse of a military person is one of the most important and sometimes toughest and most thankless jobs in the world! My wife put up with my being in the service for 20 years and never once complained. Never could have done it without her!

Trance-3169738,Well put.Excellent post.

Uh, I'm a Viet Nam vet - we never had a nice thing said about us. Yeah, war is hell, but if you decided to trash your country as a consequence, well, you're not a hero; you're a traitor.

Take a Civics class, Lev, and not one written by Tolstoy. The military of the US is always commanded by the citizens, and therefore they have every right to complain. Furthermore, you can have 10 Purple Hearts, but if you're out firing paint balls at the homeless and having affairs with recruits, you are no longer a hero - just a scum bag.

@2liberal:

Ah, a Viet Nam vet who has never read the Constitution. Treason is specifically defined as " levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Questioning the heroism of the armed forces is most certainly not treason.
Oh, and if you really think that no one has ever said anything nice about Viet Nam vets, you clearly haven't been paying any attention.

@Rick

I think we actually agree. I was being sarcastic.

LevTolstoy2

War is Hell. Anyone who doesn't serve in the National Guard has no right to criticize these brave men and women. War is Hell. We should give them a medal. War is Hell. In any case, don't forget that War is Hell.

Well I did, for over 20 years and this type of behavior is a disgrace to every man and woman who ever wore the uniform. I don't give a damn whether they were deployed or not! You don't wear this country's uniform and treat your fellow Americans like that! I don't care whether they were homeless or not!

"I do not know the method of drawing up an indictment against an [sic] whole people" -- Edmund Burke.

Relax, folks its Arizona! They make Texas and Mississippi look smart...

And that takes a whole lot of trying!

What...you didn't see the e-mail ? Its a new program to encourage the homeless to self-deport.

We liked to refer to them as Nasty Girls.

Trance, Did some hard time with some Southern-State Based NG back in my Dark Ages in the Middle-East. They were well-trained, highly educated, experience-hungry professionals. They were also equipped with the best hardware and com needed for the job. They had resources we active duty didn't. They shared everything and taught us well on their ways. Absolute best of both worlds. We were one family where everyone was an equal and had a say. Top-shelf folks. They were to be our QRFs. And to do that we had make sure that they got their experience in the $hit as well as any of us Marines. They excelled so quickly in everything from cave-thumping for caches and bad guys to eradication ops and Tommy hunts (Taliban). They became our life-line out of the Reaper's hands. They became battle-proven professionals because we constantly rotated them among our Marine ranks. Call these NG guys Nasty Girls, No Goods. etc. and you'd be in for a beat-down worthy of a death sentence! And we'd join our brother NGs to the death. Having the NGs allowed some of us Marines to dress and blend in with the locals like Tommy. NGs knew us by heart, never took a shot at us but dropped many a Tommy nearby or next to us. I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for our NG's!! Gotta have nuggets the size of Cheney's bank account to arrive in country, green to the scene and without $hit-time against the bad guys! Wild-eyed Southern Boys Bang! Thanks a million from this old Dirt Doc! Can't jump on all the Arizona Guard because of the actions of a few $hitbirds among it's ranks. The blame sits with it's leadership. Semper-Fi!!