Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis must have seen the video on youtube.....It's responsible for all terrorist attacks now, nothing to do with P.Obama running all over the country saying how he killed bin Laden....

Notice today he took the "al Qaeda and the taliban decimated" out of his standard campaign stump speech ?????

We have the FBI to thank for this.....they are doing their job regardless.

"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws". - A. Rothschild

End the Fed!

The defendant faces charges of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction and attempting to provide material support to al-Qaida, officials said.

Wait a dad gum minute.....hasn't this administration said that al-Qaida was decimated because Osama Bin Laden is dead ? Great, another attempted 'TERRORIST" attack in NYC and within the confines of the United States of America.

Wait another dad gum minute.....Where is the word "TERRORIST" in this article ?

I wonder why the media and this administration REFUSES to use the word "TERRORISTS". Maybe Mrs. Clinton's Chief of Staff has something to do with the verbiage in the article.

Aurthur...good point.

Give this dummy a break will ya !!!!!!

At least he knew where all the ( BEN ) funny money was !!!!!! Hell we are still using it as real money.

At least audit the FED.

With all the Americans I see here on Newsvine bitching about the Federal Reserve, I'm just surprised one of them did not attempt to blow it up. Instead, it was a Middle Eastern man who tried it. Go figure it!

It was Simon Gruber and his band of thugs. You thought they were dead, but no. I warned all of you.

Read the entire article - "The FBI and NYPD arrest a suspected terrorist involved in an apparent plot to attack the Federal Reserve of New York, reports WNBC's Jonathan Dienst."

WTG, Chad, I'm with you 100%

Learn some economics and then you won't feel so much in the dark that you think its a big conspiracy......

There's a big difference between the specific principle of a concept ... and that of the practice in which it is run.

It was Simon Gruber and his band of thugs

Nice try Spellchecker trying to throw us off the track but with a name like "Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis" he is definately a Southern Baptist.

I should be happy people are dumb some days... Let me guess he actually trusted the person he got the 1000 pound bomb from, that was already prewired to blow, and came with a free cell phone too? /sigh

Prosecutors say Nafis met the agent Wednesday morning and put the bomb inside a van before driving to the Fed building, assembling the detonator while he drove.

Assembling the detonator while he drove? Sounds like he didn't read the directions properly. A real professional.

THat's friggen halarious, The Fed Saved the Economy...Funiest S#$%t I've heard in a long time. Forget that the Fed has created every economic bubble known to man by artificially depressing interest rates, debasing the currency and flooding speculative markets with cheap money. Forget the fact that the Fed sanctions financial fraud, insider trading and elaborate ponzi schemes by the TBTF banks every single day of every single year. Forget that the FED is a private bank that stashes it's enormous profits at the Bank of International Settlements, offshore, completely tax free. Forget that the FED buy's worthless mortgage debt from the banks in exchange for tax payer back treasury bills. Forget that the FED gives money to their "member" banks FOR FREE, who then lend it back to the tax payer for 3%. Forget that these guys create currency out of NOTHING and charge interest on it. (aka counterfeiting) No but your the smart guy and these financial terrorists are our SAVIORS!!!!...Dude...get a friggen clue.

Shaking my head-2479300, do you think before you spout off? How many student visas were grated after 9/11 under GW Bush's reign of terror? You're a moron!

We should summarily execute that little bastard, but only after torturing the hell out of him to get whatever information he may have. Screw human rights.

yomma,

Awesome reply to USAF vet. Creating and printing, what USAF refers to as money, devaluates the USD and creates a false sense of economic recovery. The Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank and has been audited the same amount of times as the Internal Revenue Service. Both have never, ever been audited. It amazes me that there are so many trusting people that don't care whythey haven't. I for one, would like to know why not.

doesn't this poor SOB know that we are borrowing money from China to keep the US running? if he wants to hurt the US economy, blow up China.

Hey, I want the Fed ended too, but I was thinking an act of congress, not this. Leave it to a terrorist to take it too far.

End the Fed? The Federal Reserve was all that saved the economy from going from a recession into a deep and long depression!!!! Learn some economics and then you won't feel so much in the dark that you think its a big conspiracy......

See #1.28. It is a big conspiracy.

Devils son

USAF Vet-923294 Stop using historical facts to make your points. It gives the conservatives a headache. They neither know history or understand what a fact is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/federal-reserve-audit-bill_n_1702879.html

WASHINGTON -- In a rare moment of bipartisanship, the House overwhelmingly passed a bill by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) to audit the Federal Reserve.

The bill (H.R. 459), which has 270 co-sponsors, passed 327 to 98. All but one Republican -- Rep. Bob Turner of New York -- voted for it, along with 89 Democrats.

It's not just conservatives that are suspicious of the Fed. In fact, I'd bet that people like you and USAF Vet are in the minority.

Send him bck in a drone!

Yomama,

My apology for my misspelling above. It seems Devils son also buys into the "historical facts" USAF vet does. It kind of sad they think the Federal Reserve Bank is "saving" the US of A and not merely pulling the "wool" over their eyes.

Sometime in his second term, BO will apologize to the bombing suspect, extend his student visa, give him a free education, then offer him a job at the State Dept. Good things happen when you least expect it. Sheesh!

Mickey-1983943

With all the Americans I see here on Newsvine bitching about the Federal Reserve, I'm just surprised one of them did not attempt to blow it up. Instead, it was a Middle Eastern man who tried it

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Bangladesh is not MIddle East....read, research, think.

USAF Vet-923294

"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws". - A. Rothschild

End the Fed!

I get a kick out of the lack of knowledge when it comes to the economy. You get all these people who jump on a conspiracy band wagon and have no clue.....

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USAF Vet, I appreciate your effort (and service, I also was USAF), but you cannot impart knowledge or logical reasoning to those who are terminally biased in their view of the world, have a good day.

Obamabater: Yours is a worthless comment from a worthless mind.

Shaking my head-2479300

And the Obama administration NON-immigration twits just keep passing out those student visas and H1bs even tho that is how some of the 9-11-01 terrorists got here. Sooner or later there will be another 9-11 or worse and one has to wonder if that isn't the goal.

and so Romney would end visas? Is that one of his secret planks?

USAF Vet-923294...(#1.22)..."End the Fed? The Federal Reserve was all that saved the economy from going from a recession into a deep and long depression!!!! Learn some economics and then you won't feel so much in the dark that you think its a big conspiracy......"

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against
the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks
discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow
private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and
then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will
deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up
homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."--- Thomas Jefferson

They sure have you fooled....The FED, and The Government through the GSA's Freddie and Fannie OWN most of the houses in the U.S.....One Executive Order....some "Crisis" and the Government becomes everyones Landlord....mail the Rent Check for the house you thought you owned to:

1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, DC

We are one step away from being the children Jefferson spoke of...all waking up homeless....

"Man arrested in alleged plot to attack Federal Reserve in NYC"

Huh? The GOP and Tea Party have been "attacking" the Federal Reserve, its Chairman and board of Governors for the past 4-years. So why no arrests?

;-)

wouldn't be surprised it they linked it back to the romney lying gop machine think tank...

they will try ANY deversion no matter how wacky it is.....

Be gone Fakers

USAF Vet-923294

"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws". - A. Rothschild

End the Fed!

I get a kick out of the lack of knowledge when it comes to the economy. You get all these people who jump on a conspiracy band wagon and have no clue.....

For example, Rothschild isn't even in the top 100 of financial institutions.

Another example is that we have always had a central bank with one exception and that was during Jackson's Presidency. He did away with all the central bank and passed all of the federal debt down to the states. It was one of the worst economic situations the USA ever had. With no central bank, banks at all levels started printing their own cash and using state assets as backing. This meant that some states had worthless money and others had better money, but still not strong. It practically did away with interstate commerce and created hyperinflation.

End the Fed? The Federal Reserve was all that saved the economy from going from a recession into a deep and long depression!!!! Learn some economics and then you won't feel so much in the dark that you think its a big conspiracy......

This is a lie 100% --- you do NOT know history...

The Second federal reserve was the first reserve bank, of rich people only, a handful.... the country went in DEBT to them... President Lincoln ran off those cronies with greenbacks and America prospered for DECADES...by they way that HAPPENED TWICE with the then reserve bank and it went by the same name. Both times the same people and both times the same result....AMERICA WENT BANKRUPT until these greedy fatcats were sent packing....

the second time they did not come back until the early 1900's... hello great depression???

You are literally CLUELESS when it comes to the FED RESERVE SHAM.

Did you know Kennedy was two weeks away from signing a bill to audit the reserve before his assassination? I doubt it....

SCREW RICH CRONIES AND THEIR FIAT CURRENCY...the fed cannot back up what it loans PERIOD.

You better go do your history and homework before you comment on the FED FAKE RESERVE again

Watch the Documentary "End of the Road"....that will explain it in laymen terms for the ill informed

End the Fed? The Federal Reserve was all that saved the economy from going from a recession into a deep and long depression!!!!

The Federal reserve's actions only prolonged the inevitable. The debt bomb will blow, they just pushed the date back a little further. In fact, they have made the bomb even bigger through their actions. Kicking the can down the road only saves the economy in the short term.

Dr_Noo

Sometime in his second term, BO will apologize to the bombing suspect

===================Ummm, I think you just might have PO'd a lot of GOP/TPers here. Why? You apparenty have just conceded the election to Obama.

By the way, can you specifically identify when Obama has previously apologized to a terrorist, with verifiable sources?

@Shosyn

"....Watch the Documentary "End of the Road"....that will explain it in laymen terms for the ill informed"

Do you realize the deep irony of your use of the phrase "the ill-informed" as descriptive of others?

And do you understand the difference between a "documentary" and "Right-wing propoganda"?

You don't need to answer; those were just rhetorical questions. And those who have already read some of your other Newsvine posts also already know the answers.

This moron is incredibly lucky just to set foot on U.S. soil, much less have the opportunity to obtain an A-#1 education that millions would give their first-born child for, and he would waste it - and his life - on something so idiotic as this stunt. What gets into the brains of the 18-30-year-old males (and it's always this age bracket and gender who are the offenders) that causes them to be society's worst problems? I just don't get it.

Hey didn't Bruce Willis already stop that robbery. Die Hard III?

Mickey #1.17 - I'm just surprised one of them did not attempt to blow it up. Instead, it was a Middle Eastern man who tried it. Go figure it!

Hmm. Unless Bangladesh has moved recently, I believe it's still part of the Indian subcontinent and not the Middle East. Your bias is showing really bad.

more proof that people do not read the US constitution or have no understanding of it besides the few

Section. 8.The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

what part of congress is the federal reserve in again?

where in that section does it say the federal reserve can coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin? where does it say anywhere in the constitution that congress can create a quasi-private bank to regulate our monetary supply? federal reserve is unconstitutional and always has been, there are tons of things that our government has done that are unconstitutional but if they can fool the people then i guess its okay...... doomed to failure as predicted by history.

Perpetually loyal Obama lovers, Left-leaning media moguls, and terrorist all have a common goal.

Prevent Romney from getting elected!!!

The American people have a different goal. Get an effective president into the oval office.

Roadhouse Blues,

"With all the Americans I see here on Newsvine bitching about the Federal Reserve, I'm just surprised one of them did not attempt to blow it up. Instead, it was a Middle Eastern man who tried it

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Bangladesh is not MIddle East....read, research, think."

The article did not say where he was from when I made my post. It has obviously been updated since then. You had the advantage of posting after I did. I just assumed from the name that he was from somewhere in the Middle East. I'm well aware that Bangladesh is not in the Middle East, unless they move it since I last checked.

FBI Handbook: Justifying huge budgets and illegal activity.

1. Find a crazy person.
2. Give him the idea that he can indeed carry out an attack.
3. Give him the support he needs to 'assemble' prep for an attack.
4. Arrest him.
5. Let everyone know how good of a job you're doing at keeping the bad guys from hurting americans. Also insist you could have never thwarted the attack without all of the new spying powers you've been granted.

Let me see if I get this right....

the federal reserve is destroying America by destroying the dollar

so now, this guy, presumably a muslim according to his name, wants to destroy America also so he is going to destroy the building that is destroying America?

he will destroy America by destroying the building that is already destroying America?

i am a little confused, thank god the kgb, i mean fbi is on the job!

is this guy trying to save America or destroy America?

Flashback time!

The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot
November 2010
http://www.salon.com/2010/11/28/fbi_8/

Washington DC: FBI Foils Own Terror Plot (Again)
February 2012
http://www.prisonplanet.com/washington-dc-fbi-foils-own-terr...

Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
April 2012
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-...

The complaint said Nafis wrote a statement claiming responsibility for what he thought would be the Fed attack, saying he wanted to "destroy America" by going after its economy. He referred to "our beloved Sheikh Osama bin Laden" in the statement.

But, but, but Barrack Hussein and Joe "Bite Me" Biden keep squealing that "OSAMA IS DEAD".

Doesn't that mean that Al Qaeda and terrorism is over?

That's what it would have you believe. No?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

As we can see the little Libbies will demonize Romney after our Ambassador and 3 delegates are murdered in Benghazi, claiming he's "politicizing" it. But Barrack and Joe "Bite me" can scream all they want about Osama Porn Laden and it's OK.

HYPOCRITES!!!!!

I'll wager the Barrack Hussein chair-sniffers also don't think spiking the football over and over about Osama being illegally murdered does anything to keep the Islamic extremist terrorists more angry at the West.

Of course, none of the Libbies, or the lamestream media, will admit any errors about this empty suit POTUS and his empty chair foreign policy.

Nice job FBI.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

9/11 happened under the watch of the Republicans. We don't gloat about it, because liberals aren't happy when people die.

Republicans, on the other hand, were ecstatic when the Benghazi attacks happened because you thought you could attack President Obama. You could see the smirk on Mitt's face after he gave a press conference about the attacks.

Just the difference between us I guess.

We're happy when terrorist plots are foiled, whether it's by Dems or Repubs. You guys are upset if Americans don't die because it might help Obama.

@yomama 1125210: "Forget that the Fed has created every economic bubble known to man..."

1) One of the earliest "bubbles" was the Dutch Tulip Bubble of 1637 pretty interesting reading, but since the "Fed" was not in existence then (neither was the United States by the way) I don't think we can blame that on them.

"...artificially depressing interest rates...."

2) Ask anyone who has refinanced their mortgage recently (many saved their home by doing so) they LOVE the low interest rates...but perhaps the Fed should have kept rates high and left them....

"...the FED is a private bank that stashes it's enormous profits at the Bank of International Settlements, offshore, completely tax free."

3) Actually the Fed made $52 Billion in 2009 and returned $46 Billion to the U.S. Treasury, it retained $4.6 Billion for it's own capital use and paid $1.4 Billion in dividends to member banks...(This is really STRANGE why would member banks give the U.S. Treasury 88.5% of the profits??? Out of the love in the hearts I guess! But I suppose that since the government is getting 88.5% of the profits, they see no need to tax what they are going to be getting anyway!

"Forget that the FED buy's worthless mortgage debt from the banks..."

4) Every mortgage is supported by a promissory note (a promise to pay) signed by a borrower...yeah... I guess the bottom line is that the mortgage is only as good as the person who borrowed the money... and if you feel every mortgage the Fed buys is worthless.....well....that actually says more about the people living around you than it says about the Fed.

"Forget that the FED gives money to their "member" banks FOR FREE....

5) You need to be more specific, exactly what transaction are you referring to. A common transaction between a "member" bank and the Fed is called a Repo (repurchase transaction). The member bank transfers to the Fed say $100 million in Treasury bonds under an agreement to repurchase them say 4 days later...the member bank gets $100 million plus the accrued interest and the Fed gets the Treasuries. Four days later the member bank buys the Treasuries back for $100 million plus the accrued interest. Did they get the $100 million for free??? NO, it cost them 4 days interest on the Treasuries!

A lot of this nonsense comes from the "secret" Fed loans of $7.7 Trillion to banks. Let's say I loan you $100 million today and you repay me the next day, but you one again borrow the $100 million...and this goes on for an entire year every day borrow, repay and borrow again. At the end of the year (there is an outstanding $100 million you have not yet repair) how much money did you borrow? Answer $36.5 BILLION or $100 million? It's all in how you calculate it. Go to this link for more on that.

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2011/12/777_trillion_in.html

You know this "free money" is kinda like the "free Obama cell phones"...I keep hearing about it...but I can't find one!

Nice to see he was caught. However, I can't help wondering to what degree our homeland security forces are lucky, as opposed to good.

As any Vegas gambler can tell you, luck eventually runs out.

Does anyone know what college he was supposed to be going to? If he ever attended? And how many more are here on student visas planning the same things? Where is home land security and do they even keep track of student visas? Hopefully on the up side some college got a full years tution from him before he was arrested. If so the money should go in a pool for a needy USA students to attend.

RealWorldProgressive

9/11 happened under the watch of the Republicans. We don't gloat about it, because liberals aren't happy when people die.

actually the left pasted death toll numbers from afganistan and iraq daily for the number of years bush was president up until obama was campaigning, they had "milestones" of 1k-2k dead and openly blamed the president for the deaths. there was cindy sheehan protests all the time and the media 24/7 was on attack bush mode even going as far as to doctor information to make bush look bad and outright lies, there were effigies of our soldiers being hanged on peoples garages. this was all the left, they kicked and screamed and lied and manipulated until they got a puppet dem in control and they still have not changed nor wised up to the greater threats, sheeps is all they are.

do you remember 2-26-93? probably not because the great jazz musician bill clinton was pres and as a dem, he can do no wrong and the world was perfect. well that was the first bombing attempt at bringing down the twin towers by al-queda and they failed. clinton treated that as a criminal matter instead of the act of war it was and that allowed the second attempt at bombing the twin towers on 9-11-01. clinton was also offered bin laden multiple times as he was wanted for questioning related to other bombings but clinton refused based on legal grounds because clinton didnt treat the first WTC bombing, nor subsequent bombings accordingly.

politicians and just plain evil people will tell you whatever you want to hear, its up to you to see past their masks.

Mozzie-600,

The guy isn't white. For some people that's all they need to know!

The problem with the left and Obama is political correctness. This is a terrorist plot , perpetrated for a MUSLIM TERRORIST this is a treat to our country for a foreign citizen who believe he is acting according to his religion , Ala Akbar!!!!!!!. Make this clear without ambiguities not ike Obama use to speak.

Is it just me or do the terrorists seem to be younger and dumber these days?

As to the Federal Reserve, read this and then decide how you feel about said noble organization:

http://Immartin.hubpages.com/hub/The-Real-Wealth-Redistribution/

@Shaking my head-2479300

You really need to check who support H1B Visa, last time I look, lots of Republican wants more so corporations can ship workers here instead of shipping work oversea.

Probably a Conservative TEA BAG NUT JOB and ROMNEY SUPPORTER

Hmmm, seems the death threats are all coming from Obama supporters. Interesting little factoid on twitter.

USAF Vet-923294

End the Fed? The Federal Reserve was all that saved the economy from going from a recession into a deep and long depression!!!! Learn some economics and then you won't feel so much in the dark that you think its a big conspiracy......

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It is sad enough that some pathetic, ignorant, moron would try and attack the "Fed" and kill innocent people,,,,,

,,,,,but for a supposed "Vet" to write in to voice support for the cancerous, treasonous, parasite (fictitiously) called the "Federal Reserve" only makes the news worse.

(Sometimes, ignorance breeds ignorance.)

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THE Federal Reserve is like a big Mafia loan shark. It owns our nation in the same way a
loan shark owns his "clients!" There is absolutely no difference between the two.

No matter what the situation, whenever there is news related to the Federal Reserve a big,
loud, coordinated, conspiratorial lie of omission is committed by every single news outlet
in our nation. What is this lie? It is keeping up the false impression that the Federal
Reserve is part of our government! The Fed is a private, for profit bank, that controls
our government and economy. They control the money supply, inflation, depression,
recessions, etc. They are not accountable to Congress, the executive branch or anyone
in government.

The revolutionary war was started primarily to get away from a similar situation in England
where the Bank of England held the same control over their nation. Revolutionaries realized
this and they put an end to it. Unfortunately some traitors in the Senate reversed our true
liberation and now we have a private bank controlling our personal financial status.

Let me ask you a simple question: what country in its right mind would create a system that
would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST? What country
would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it
bankrupt because of interest? The answer is none! America is not charging itself interest
on its debt, the privately owned central bankers are doing this and they are hiding in
plain sight! Congress (with the exception of Ron Paul), every US president and every
single member of the corporate media are either part of the conspiracy or just plain stupid!

Two presidents tried to stop this outrage, and they were both assassinated. Lincoln was
set to bypass the central banks in order to finance the Civil War. The banks were going
to charge him 24-36% interest on the loans. So Lincoln had Congress pass a law authorizing
the printing of full legal tender. These treasury notes would be used to finance the war.
Lincoln wrote: "... (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have
ever had - their own paper money to pay their own debts..." Now go and research the person
who supposedly killed Lincoln and how he relates to bankers.

After Lincoln was assassinated Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted the National
Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they
issued were to be interest-bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be
retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.

John F. Kennedy was the next brave man to take on the Federal Reserve. On June 4, 1963,
President Kennedy signed a Presidential Executive Order 11110. This order virtually
stripped the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States
Government at interest. Kennedy declared the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank
would soon be out of business. This order gave the Treasury Department the authority
to issue silver certificates against any silver in the treasury. This executive order
still stands today. No president since has had the courage to invoke it for it would
mean their demise. The US government is a front for the real controllers; the central
bankers.

Debt keeps the central banks in control of the world. Nations that eliminate their debt
end up on the hit list. When you see nations "liberated" by the US or its allies what
normally follows is a central bank extending loans to these liberated nations. The World
Bank always comes to the rescue. What a joke this is like having a loan shark come to the
rescue of someone who needs food money for his kids!

War is the single biggest money making business for the central bankers. Nations go into
tremendous debt to finance war. Interestingly enough, but in no way surprising to those
of us who know better, the architects of both Vietnam and the Iraq invasion both went on
to become the head of the World Bank; Robert McNamara and Paul Wolfowitz. It is the central
banks that push the world towards military conflict.

Look at your money; it say "Federal Reserve Note!" It is not an American government
currency backed by an asset. It is fiat currency backed by nothing. The Federal Reserve
lends these notes to the government, with interest! What a scam! How do we permit this?
Oh, I know, we permit this because most people don't know about it...thanks to the
criminals in the media. For if the people knew, perhaps Henry Ford's words would ring
true and we would indeed take to the streets to stop this crime!

The Federal Reserve is a private bank that owns the sole right to dictate monetary policy
for our nation. As a matter of fact shortly after George W. Bush was placed in office by
very powerful people, not by the electorate, the Federal Reserve announced that they would
no longer report how much money was being printed. Imagine that! Well you don't have to
imagine that because it happened, and your media did not tell you about it, and your
Congress sat quiet. Americans let this happen because Americans are pretty much stupid people.
They laugh at intelligent people as they dedicate themselves to being suckers who worship
a little flag as opposed to a legitimate government.

This is the biggest scam and conspiracy on our planet and we must make this part of our
daily discussion. Ask questions, and DEMAND answers!

The Right Wing Extremist Blowhards are simply very sad.

THy see boogeymen at every turn

But the real boogeyman is looking back at them in the mirror every morning.

See hate, divisiveness, trampling on freedom, racism, bigotry, are what are truly the problem in this country.

And that is what they stand for.

Further,,,,,,,

,,,,,,, for all of the writers supporting the "Fed", or, those still calling for an audit;

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Please Google; "Fed audit, Sept. 1, 2012"

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The "Fed" was caught handing out 16 T R I L L I O N . D O L L A R S . IN SECRET LOANS TO THEIR CORRUPT TO THE CORE BANKER BUDDIES ! (Which is equal to our 16 trillion dollar National Debt !)

This audit was successfully kept out of ALL of the mainstream media! Disgusting!

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(Anyone out there supporting the "Fed" is weak on their history reading as well as the current news.)

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While I won't say that the Fed is perfect but the bottom line is we made the decision a long time ago and it is what it is. Like it or not we are stuck with it.

What do people really think would happen without the Fed? No banks, no businesses, no trade, no money, no everything. We'd be back to trading chickens and bags of corn to meet our daily needs that we couldn't individually supply for ourselves. The Fed has been in existence for just shy of 100 years now. They were created by Congress under the authority of Congress. You can make a good argument that unelected officials shouldn't have the power that the Fed does, but likewise you can make a good argument that Congress shouldn't have that much authority either. The Fed's role is a big job and it arguably should be controlled by financial experts. We'd be in big trouble today if Congress filled the role that the Fed does. Everything that the economy is based on would become a political issue.

In 1903, the industrial revolution had really just begun. There were about 75 million people in the country and people were arriving in droves. The modern economy was just beginning to form. Those who worked for a living made about 18 cents/hour, considerably higher for Union workers in the big industries. The average household income was about $750 and we were becoming a consumer society. Big business and corporations were at their infancy. Bank crashes were common place, wiping out what money a lot of average people had. It was the age of the ocean-liner and big steam powered freighters and these big steamships really opened the way for international travel and a real global economy like never before. The rapid growth of the economy meant that banking and currency was now more important than ever before. The US was changing from an economy that was highly based on barter and exchange of services, to one completely driven by currency. The Fed came about because of the desperate need to regulate banking. It was controversial then too, however it was truly necessary for a growing economy. The Federal Reserve actually provided the stability needed to become the powerful economy we would become.

Now we can debate the roles of the Fed and their independence, and there probably is good reason to look at its roles and potentially do some reform and maybe give a bit more oversight to Congress, however we'd have to be careful so as not to destroy the stability it provides by being independent.

I'm not crazy about some of what the Fed does, however I recognize that it is a "necessary evil" of sorts. To unwind it now would be impossible to do without completely destroying the economy. Without the Fed, we couldn't really be the global player that we are. Really big governmental type functions are really better run by career professionals than politicians. It makes for far more stable, consistent performance in the long haul. This however is different than privatization and we need to assure that it isn't a profit motivated function. The fact is that we do need central banking functions and if it isn't the Fed, we need something else to replace it. You hear a lot of people complain about the Fed, but none provide a workable alternative. Some will say that we just need to return to the gold standard and everything fixes itself, but there isn't enough gold in the world to even approach covering the US economy let alone the global economy.

You can complain about the Fed, but then try offering an alternative solution that adds up.

Sees Thru Gloss

The Federal Reserve is a real bank. It's just not a part of the government like they let on it is. We get to appoint the "bank manager" just to add to the BS show.

One thing is for dure. We need to get clear of it!

1NewDay

Not true we are not stuck with it. All we have to do is quite borrowing money from them and pay off our loan.

Thanks to Obama that will take an extra 25 years but it is do able.

1NewDay

"You can complain about the Fed, but then try offering an alternative solution that adds up."

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Hello 1NewDay,,,,,,

,,,,,,,, here is an idea for you;

How about we start with the United States Of America minting its own money as described in the Constitution Of The United States Of America .

You would have to be ignorant to consider supporting a system that allows a group of corrupt, private bankers to loan us OUR money to be paid back to them with interest.

What country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST?

What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest?

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Are we REALLY that stupid as a Nation ? (Apparently so, or just very well misinformed.)

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You can complain about the Fed, but then try offering an alternative solution that adds up.

Another establishment poindexter defends the Fed.

What's wrong with a declared standard of currency value in commodity terms? Gold is not the only commodity in the world.

And who stated the end of the Fed would be the end of banks or a return to a barter economy?

Your "career professionals" are every bit as corrupt as politicians. We don't need "central(ized) banking functions" we need full and equal enforcement of the RULE OF LAW!

To say most of the early comments were retarded would be the understatement of the year. I can only imagine that as you sit in your basement typing, you are giggling like little girl. To think you actually go through life believing some of the @!$%# you posted would make baby Jesus cry.

stupid dumb terrorist ! what a tool & a fool ,but the REAL federal reserve bank of NY is located in rutherford NJ, looks like a hospital just off of route 17 s ,near the chevy/buick dealer &exxon gas station ,now thats where the real money is !

"This audit was successfully kept out of ALL of the mainstream media!!! Disgusting!"

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By the way,,, the Sept. 1, 2012 audit of the "Federal Reserve" was also ignored by;

NBC.COM !!!!!!!!!!

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Congratulation to NBC.COM for purposely ignoring one of the biggest news stories of the year !

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(You are giving FAUX NEWS a run for the money in the "fair and balanced" category NBC.COM!!!!!)

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16 T R I L L I O N . D O L L A R S . IN SECRET LOANS IGNORED BY AMERICAN MEDIA !

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The suspect, 21-year-old Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, is a Bangladeshi national who came to the U.S. on a student visa in January for the specific purpose of launching a terror attack here, authorities said. He allegedly told an undercover agent last month that he hoped the attack would disrupt the presidential election

ok, that's it, no more student visas!

Barry doesn't need his help, he is doing a BANG UP JOB all by himself!

How much does it cost our government to monitor the behavior of young middle eastern muslim males here on student visas? Is it really worth it on any level? There are plenty of US kids who could benefit from such an education who don't have radical Islamist designs.

Just stop it Hillary, tighten the borders now.

OMG...there are almost 1500 comments to read. And I've seen more deletions on this Post than I have ever seen before. Right now, I'm a little happier that I'm depressive, because some of the stuff I've seen is way crappier than whatever I feel, so I actually feel better...Thank you, Posters! And yes, I have opinions and ideas on this, but I figured it would be better to thank (all of) the people who helped me feel better. :) If I'm able, I'll put my 2 cents worth-in later. That's why i looked at it. Love to all of you, and thank you for helping me, even though you had no idea.

Thanks, Derek, for showing you do not understand the process. By creating scenarios for suspected terrorists to follow the FBI has a much greater chance of catching and stopping these guys. They supply them with dummy devices that will not explode and move in and take them into custody.

This is much easier then waiting for these guys to obtain the materials they need to make a real bomb. It is also many times safer.

No thanks to this yahoo, he's done more to garner support and sympathy among some, for the Fed... Because now when people legitimately call for an Audit of the Fed, such as the bill that passed the House, but Harry Reid stalled in the Senate until the lame duck session re-convenes after the elections, and actually calls for Congress to do it's job for once, in the last hundred years under Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution; people can point fingers while looking at this terrorist, and just assume everyone with issue of the Fed must somehow support, condone, or agree with the methodology of this nut...

Hey idiot (and I do mean the terrorist here), bombing and trying to blow people up makes no point whatsoever... So, after a majority of Americans have been calling for, asking, and wanting some accountability to be directed toward the Fed, and have wanted Congress to do more then just let them carry on as they have, after the House voted to audit the Fed with 329 votes in favor of auditing them; I must say, and rather sarcastically, "thank you" for your actions which could serve to discredit those who have been trying to weigh in on the issue of the Fed, and do something constructive about it. You know, constructive in the sense of not going around and blowing things up, killing people along the side, or intending to do so. You really can serve to make those, who would never agree with your methodology look bad, should some turn around and paint a broad brush which goes along the lines of guilt by association. Just mentioning issue with Fed policy now, and Congresses failure to exercise it's own power, and act as true representatives of the people, for instance on issues of monetary policy and all this excessive printing from QEC 1 and 2, and now QEC 3 that Bernake has mentioned; can leave Fed sympathisers thinking of you, and assuming someone who would speak up wrt the mess the Fed Reserve Act of 1913 has left on this country, is somehow in line with your type of thinking... You couldn't have drummed up support for the Fed any better, then actually going to try to bomb them, at a time people have been increasing pressure on Congress to do it's job, and impose some meaningful oversite on it...

@ClosetheFed post #1.85: A lot of this nonsense started with the "secret" Fed loans of $7.7 Trillion to banks. Let's say I loan you $100 million today and you repay me the next day, but you one again borrow the $100 million...and this goes on for an entire year every day borrow, repay and borrow again. At the end of the year (there is an outstanding $100 million you have not yet repaid) how much money did you borrow? Answer $36.5 BILLION or $100 million? It's all in how you calculate it.

Your articles on the Sept 1, 2012 Fed Audit would say that the borrowings were $36.5 Billion, even though only $100 million was outstanding on any given day.

For all those who refuse to play the part of "Chicken Little" go to this link for more on that!

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2011/12/777_trillion_in.htm

Kenn the Dem

"@ClosetheFed post #1.85: A lot of this nonsense started with the "secret" Fed loans of $7.7 Trillion to banks. For all those who refuse to play the part of "Chicken Little" ,,,,,,,,

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Good morning Kenn the Dem,,,,,

,,,,,nice to hear from you, but what the hell are you talking about ?????????

Below is from the first page, first link found, on a simple search of "Sept. 1, 2012, audit of the Fed".

(There is link after link of the same that follows that one.)

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"The first ever GAO (Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke, Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander’s webpage earlier this morning.

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious – the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs."

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Gosh Ken,,,,, I wasn't aware that Chicken Little had addressed 16 TRILLION DOLLARS in secret loans, conflict of interests of "Fed" board members who also head JP Morgan, nor the fact that this stinking mess was purposely ignored by the American media and an American public who apparently doesn't give a damn.

(Congratulations on your inclusion in the American public who could care less,,, or can't read straight.)

Thank God the Feds aren't making these guys actual WORKING bombs anymore...that policy didn't end well for Oklahoma City.

WHY PEOPLE HAVE TO BE SO STUPID?

The fact that the police have to explain that the bomb was a fake in the sting operation shows you how dumb some people are.

Hello folks, are you in absolute fear and panic? Should we allow the alphabet organizations to help the government remove more of our civil liberties through contrived sting operations? Keep the sheeple in fear and panic and they will let you do anything to them! Not to mention give any creedence to the most vile and corrupt institution this planet has ever seen, which is the Federal Reserve which is as Federal as Federal Express. Create money out of thin air and charge the sheeple interest on the monopoly money!

Another false flag to keep the sheeple under control. You would think we would wise up to these charades. Sticking to a now utterly predictable narrative, the man never actually posed a threat to any building or person due to the fact that the FBI themselves had given him the bomb.

That’s right, the corporate media and the government are now having a hay day, once again promoting the terrorist narrative and drumming up sympathy for the privately run Federal Reserve, even as they openly continue their destruction of America.

Authorities emphasized that the plot never posed an actual risk.

However, they claimed the case demonstrated the value of using sting operations to neutralize young extremists eager to harm Americans.

Corporate media reports and statements by government and law enforcement officials paint a picture of a man hell bent on the destruction of America.

Sadly, the American people simply have no legitimate reason to believe anything that the corporate media or government claims, especially when it has to do with terrorism which has historically been used to further restrict the freedoms of everyday Americans nationwide.

Whether or not Nafis would have actually carried out any sort of attack if he was not lead on by the FBI remains unknown at this time.

What is known is that the FBI has staged literally dozens of pretend terror plots where their actions and help were the only reason that the supposed terrorist even had a chance to do any harm whatsoever.

America used to be “Land of the Free and Home of the Brave” now we have been reduced to “Land of the Detained and Home of the Cowards”.

Two words: !!!!!FALSE FLAG!!!!! POS Muslim plant!!! Allah is Lucifer/Satan, and Mohammed is his False Prophet!! Anyone who knows what the Federal Reserve and what it has done to America would not do anything of the sort: ie Ron Paul and his supporters. And if he succeeded, it would have been blamed on the Obamination Adminstrations political enemies. The only difference of a Gore vs a Bush presidency in the 9-11 inside would have been it would have been blamed on Farmer Bob and his $hit shovelling hired men. The FBI gave all of the supplies to this POS, as they did to smarter man who realized he was being set up (Ahmad Salaam) in the WTC 1993. He stated even in a New York Times article that the FBI gave him the LIVE materials and told him where to park the van, which would have brought the buildings down. Ahmad Salaam was supposed to be given fake materials in the sting operation for which he was a FBI informant, but when he was given live/real materials, he knew it was he that was being set up. This is the self-same modus operandi in the case of this crash-dummy. Ipso Facto!! The real terrorists are the Alphabet network who orchestrated these and indeed 9-11. It is the State Department that conducts lotteries in countries that are hostile enemies of the US, and then brings them over here and gives them money, provisions, etc. that American people could never get. When events like this are either stopped as in this case, or allowed to go through, it is the government: THE BEAST that ratchets up the Police-State around We The People. This is self-evident as a result of every inside-job terror attack. The answer to 1984 is 1776!!!!

Hello Sally,

Question;

Could you please tell me why NBC.COM has scattered and rearranged my post #1.75 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:31 PM PDT ???????

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That is not how it was written, not how it was posted, and that is not how it looked yesterday or this morning.

But the way you have put it back together looks completely disjointed and detracts from my writing and intent.(You have rendered it quite unreadable.)

Thank you !

From the article:

"Law enforcement officials stress that the plot was a sting operation monitored by the FBI, Homeland Security and NYPD and the public was never at risk. The materials he believed were explosives had been rendered inoperable, officials said."

Get it?

This is another one of those fake terror plots instigated by the Federal Government (FBI in this case) in order to keep the american public scared enough to go along with war, torture, and attacks on the Bill of Rights, Constitution and their civil rights generally.

The FBI (or whoever) contacts them (they are many times emotionally disturbed or unbalanced people), eggs them on and supplies them with fake bomb making material and then busts them and the media report it as a real plot.

All or most of the publicized attempted terrorist "attacks" on us since 9/11 have been like this.

And what did they do when there was a real plot like 9/11? In spite of all kinds of information and warnings they ignored them (did nothing) and the terrorists carried out the attack successfully.

I'm sure there are genuinely dangerous people out there who need to be apprehended but most of them are probably on Wall Street.

@ClosetheFed re:Post 1.92: Good afternoon Close...O.K., let's try again. To start we'll take the $16 Trillion dollar loan number...$16 Trillion calculated HOW? For example it could represent $17 Billion dollars loaned repaid and reloaned over each one of the 942 days (12/1/2007 to 6/30/2010) mentioned in your article (did you even read the link I posted)? It is mathematically possible that the entire amount is based on loans which total as small as $17 billion.

Secondly the websites posting this all have an obvious agenda (I read through a few of them)...they like you see no reason for the U.S. Federal Reserve to exist...therefore I have to question both their accuracy and fairness.

Do you know if the $16 Trillion dollar in "loans" includes repurchase transactions? If they do then they obviously have a zero interest rate (the interest is included within the calculation of the value of the collateral, which is bought and sold with the collateral as accrued interest).

You obviously question why an experienced bank officer should be allowed to sit on the Board of the Federal Reserve, well there are several reasons, two of the more important ones are;

1. When the Fed Reserve Board talks about (say) repurchase transactions (or reverse repurchase transactions) he KNOWS what they are talking about.

2. If the Fed wants to know if their policies are spurring loan growth the bank officer KNOWS what is happening at his (her) bank.

(I don't know anyone who, for example, would knowingly choose a hospital managed by a board of people whose only experience was selling used cars)! I understand your point, that loan officer can be very self serving, but their influence should be offset by other members appointed by the President.

Lastly, your comment,

Gosh Ken,,,,, I wasn't aware that Chicken Little had addressed 16 TRILLION DOLLARS in secret loans, conflict of interests of "Fed" board members who also head JP Morgan...

Oh yeah... Chicken Little has addressed this topic many times (under various names) as I mentioned...I read through a few of those websites!

(You did start this off by stating that, "Forget that the Fed has created every economic bubble known to man...")

Have a good evening!

Hello Kenn the Dem, do you even know how money is created? Who the players are, who is liable for the money printed? Do you know what fractional reserve banking is and how it is implemented?

How is money created Kenn?

Mr Verify . . I AM NOT AFRAID. I WILL WHACK THEM if they try to come for Me the same as I WILL WHACK ANYONE WHO TRIES TO TAKE MY ENTITLEMENTS!!!!

Also, that young Democrat Ken seems to have some knowledgeable figures there . . And yes, I Do Know how money is created . . .

IT COMES TO ME FROM THE GOVERNMENT MONTHLY IN MY MONTHLY ENTITLEMENT CHECKS!!!

Kenn the Dem

(You did start this off by stating that, "Forget that the Fed has created every economic bubble known to man...")

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Hello again Kenn the Dem,,,,,

,,,,,, once again ,,,, What the hell are you talking about??????????????????????????????

I NEVER wrote anything remotely similar to the above quot your are WRONGLY attributing to me.

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Further, and finally, IF you choose to ignore or justify the "Fed" audit that found them giving out 16 TRILLION DOLLARS in SECRET loans, you are beyond help and that is your problem and your problem alone.

(But I do find it absolutely charming that you attribute Chicken Little to having addressed the " conflict of interests of "Fed" board members who also head JP Morgan..." . How cute !)

Best regards.

Dear Sally,

Thank you so much for correcting the flaws that had occurred in my post #1.75 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:31

I do appreciate you kind help !

Dear Mommy,
. . . . can I have a steamboat for Christmas? Mark Twain

Sally, get the hell off your brown shirt, jack booted power trip.

What the hell in my comment constitutes derailing?

As a member of NewsVine you should at least read the damn news. 0bama was stated as an original target of this guy. Now come off your high horse and apologize for your abuse of power, hack.

Sally

October surprise? His original target was 0bama...

elliot-3020456, quit derailing. You are suspended for a day for violating rule # 4 of the Code of Honor.

Leaving may comments collapsed for derailing.

So how many more "students" are we going to allow over here? Free stamps in their pass-ports. Look at the thanks that we get! Geesh. I say round up all these fools everywhere, in all the schools and deport them. We have deserving fine young AMERICANS that would love to have a "Free" education and we are just giving it away.

@ClosetheFednre: post 1.104: Sorry you are correct...that little gem came from yomama at post #1.28... you responded to a comment I directed to him. However with respect to your $16 Trillion in loans....if you still wish to validate that number...tell us all how much of those loans were still outstanding on 6/30/2010...that number has to be available because that date is included within the calculation of your $16 Trillion! Simply said I think it will be a small fraction of $16 Trillion... say $43
billion and that outstandings NEVER came anywhere near $16 Trillion outstanding on any given day ... it is simply the sum of all the loans over the 942 day period cited. If you cannot respond to this with anything other than you standard "What the hxxx are you talking about...then you are not serious about finding the truth (if you find an amount outstanding for your $16 Trillion in loans at 6/30/2010 please give us all a web site reference.

@TrustVerify re:post #1.101: Yes in fact I do know what Fractional Reserve Banking is and how it is implemented! An excellent T-account analysis is available in "Modern Money Mechanics" (no longer in print but available on the net) by the Chicago Fed. How is money created?...over the history of mankind it
was represented by many things...but it was in general, an accepted medium of exchange agreed to by the parties involved in a transaction requiring the transfer of value.

To cut to the chase your point is that bank balances can be created by bank loans, and that the sum total of these amounts are not backed by a hard asset (gold). You lay the blame for this on fractional reserve banking (where each bank retains only a per-centage of their transaction account balances with the Fed). Subsequently it exposes the depositor to risk of loss (ala It's a Beautiful Life).

You do realize that if we had no Fed, and no reserve requirement at all, it would not prevent banks
from doing the exact same thing as occurs today (in past history they did). Therefore the case rests on securing those balances with a recognized hard asset say "gold".

One there is not enough gold to do the job and 2, why is it that "gold" is worth $1721 an ounce? Ask anyone you know if they will pay that for an ounce of gold...and if they say NO, ask them why! In a total economic collapse (say we lose the access to all types of power) gold could become worthless...it cannot be eaten, or worn, or used for shelter (except in an exchange will someone willing to accept it).

The response is "that is what gold is selling for now" and of course we all KNOW this cannot be a bubble! Is the price of "gold" artificially supported by governments...because it makes their balance sheets look better?? Or is it supported by billionaires who own a lot of it?? Will it eventually fall like the value of real estate? We are not making more real estate, but we continue to find more gold (but not enough to monetize the worlds outstanding transactions accounts).

Inquiring minds want to know!

Really nice analysis Kenn!!(are you sure you want to be a Dem??) . . I had similar discussion once before with TrustV even extending to what should be the appropriate medium of exchange for modern human society (eg. Apple stock or other manifestations intellectual property might be more relevant than gold these days). Your point that those would become inflationary is likely correct also.

I am concerned about the growth of our national debt, and schemes such as buying of mortgage-backed securities, etc. I also think the this year the "Fed" has become a political tool.

Since I am not in the economic field I cannot assess whether the Fed is "the most vile, evil entity ever created", however, I am disturbed to see it being used as a political tool and private piggy bank of certain political and corporate sectors (eg. banking, housing, . . next student loans??) when it does seem that the assets it plays with must in some sense be pegged back to the taxpayers and U.S. debt at some point. Hence, I do understand why Trust is so upset.

@TruthandLogic re:post 1.110: Actually I am a "Blue Dog" Democrat (fiscally conservative socially moderate) and most ultra liberals don't consider us Democrats at all (evidently their "big" tent is just not quite big enough for everyone).

You are quite right about the National Debt...what many people don't realize is that when interest rates rise(and they will at some point) the interest on our debt will become staggering, and that's not something which can be cut, it has to be paid.

Something else few people realize is that the Social Security Trust Fund is invested entirely in Treasury Bonds, and the U.S. Treasury continues to run a deficit. Now when Social Security needs to redeem it's bonds, to pay for the baby boomer retirements, the U.S. Treasury has to borrow the money to cover it, and the bulk of that borrowing is from China.

Something else few realize is that taxing the rich is not a solution (although it is part of one). If we were to take everything American Billionaires have...cash...investments...houses...everything....it would barely cover this years deficit (roughly $1.5 trillion)!

What I find is most troubling on the Vine is that so many of those posting are just the "cut and paste" type. The read something they wish to push, but they are completely unable to defend it...and I think that's because they really don't understand it. I am happy to explain those things I know, but some just don't want to listen and debate something which conflicts with what they "want" to be true!

Hello Kenn, you are close, what you fail to admit to is that we as a country have given up our constitutional right to coin currency as is outlined in Article 1 Section 8 of our constitution. Instead we allow a group of mostly foreign International banksters with the Rothschilds at its head to create money out of thin air and loan it to us. To add insult to injury we allow them to charge us interest to control our economy. The Federal Reserve is designed to bankrupt economies and then they send in the IMF (International Monetary Fund loan sharks) to loan a broke economy more money with the provision that if the already insolvent economy defaults, they will privatize (foreclose) the real intrinsic assets, such as property, electrical grids, water rights, mineral deposits, state lotteries, etc.. And as the EU (European Union) is doing remove the democratic decision making away from the people and allow a bunch of technocrats who haven’t been elected by anybody to decide how a country handles their finances.

If someone loans you two dollars to run your economy and expects three back for the loan and interest how are you going to pay the third back? You can’t unless you borrow more dollars which puts you in perpetual debt and in a constant borrowing cycle to pay off the debt. This is designed not accidental.

Since the interest is exponential, you will default and the banksters will come in and try to foreclose on your country, like Greece, Spain’s next. They are being told to sell off their own country to pay back the people who caused the mess to begin with. This allows the elite to steal your intrinsic valuable assets because they gave you paper (loans/debt) and the interest on the debt that is systematically impossible to pay back. This also allows the parasitic stock speculators to profit from this designed theft. They not only know the outcome of an economy, they can gamble on the economic bubbles at the investor’s expense. This cancer goes all the way down the food chain.

As Woodrow Wilson lamented of signing the Federal Reserve Act of 1913: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men".

Enclosed is an article I created that I hope puts into layman’s terms how money is stolen created:

“Money” is derived from debt. The U.S requests Federal Reserve notes (debt) from the Federal Reserve (which is neither federal nor a reserve) by giving paper Treasury Bonds (debt) to the Federal Reserve in exchange. As a result, a concept is agreed upon, debt for debt, not anything tangible is agreed upon. Monopoly money is then authorized (created but not minted, that is done by Federal mints) by a consortium of mostly European banksters with the Rothschild’s at its head is also created out of thin air. Tack on Interest to that debt now owed to a foreign entity and you have a perfect storm for taking over and controlling economies and nations. The pool of debt money (exchange of Treasury Bonds for Federal Reserve notes) put in the system is now always there and can be replenished by borrowing more (exchanging more bonds for more notes) but the interest added to the debt is never put into the system and therefore can never be paid back. If there were no debts owed in our money system (money put in to the system and then paid back) there wouldn’t be any “money”, but because there is interest attached we will always have a negative balance by always having to borrow to pay the interest that is attached to every dollar borrowed. The interest is exponential and we can never break even again with the Federal Reserve and will always be in debt to them. “Money” isn’t designed to represent the value of the goods and services in any economy, it is merely used as an exchange for the goods and services, it is designed to put you into debt. The concept of interest owed and attached to loans will always exceed the money in circulation. So the big pool of money owed is bigger than the pool we as laborers actually have to draw on to pay our bills. It’s like musical chairs we are always competing for the small pool of money and there have to be winners and losers in this system. That’s why inflation is a constant and new money is always needed to cover the interest. Interest (usury) is the bullet in the Federal Reserve’s weapon of mass destruction. Without a country controlling and managing their own currency they are then relegated to economic slavery.

This doesn’t explain the Fractional Reserve Banking System that is used by our local banks. They are also allowed to create money out of thin air. They are able to leverage what they have on reserve by a margin of 10 to 1. If they have 10,000 dollars on reserve they can create out of thin air 90,000 to lend. So if they lend 90,000 to someone and they stick that in another bank now that bank can leverage that money 10 to 1 and so on and so forth. See the vicious cycle these banksters are perpetrating? All the while most of the profits filter up to the Rothschild’s empire.

Banks, Central banks, World Bank, IMF, BIS = Federal Reserve = Debtor economies, Debtor Nations (economic slaves).

Now tell me this, how can anyone promote and support someone else controlling our countries currency, where is the autonomy and sovereignty in that?

Well said Trust Verify, and enough said to more than support your points.

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Kenn the Dem

@ClosetheFed re: post 1.104: Sorry you are correct

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Thank you for your kind correction Kenn.

I appreciate your intelligent discourse .

That you care enough about the topic and our Nation to engage in conversation backed by study of the subject is exemplary.

Best regards.

Most likely has one of those "end the fed" bumper stickers

The extended link lists "Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis" as the suspect, so probably NOT a right wing nut.

If you’re saying it was a Muslim extremist they happen to fall on the right side of the spectrum as well, and would count as a nut.

doug, just because you and fellow leftist deem every bad thing to belong to the right, does not make it so.

Hitler was as leftist as you can get, but it falsely labeled to be right winged.

What spectrum are you talking about? Please clarify.

Political/religious/social spectrum.

barefoot, what does Hitler have to do with this.

Let's see, they both would wipe out Jews, they believe in leftist government rule and they are both wrongly deemed right winged by leftist.

And the war with Oceania continues to keep the people restrained. 1984 is alive and well in the once good USA, come on people you really bye all this chit? Wake up.

I think you might have a misunderstanding of the right-left spectrum please explain your understanding of what makes something right vs. what makes it left?

Big government, limited individual rights and redistribution of wealth.

False flag

Great sting and job by the FBI.He can now have his trial and languish behind bars for his part in trying to commit a terrorist act against the United States.

No LivingBarefoot, Hitler was not a leftist. Just because you don't want him to be doesn't mean that he wasn't. Can you find one shred of evidence that this was so? Or at least a reputable source that can back up your claim? Or at minimum can you explain with reasonable logic why you feel that the left wants to destroy the Jewish nations? Of course you can't...you ramble on here daily about things you know nothing about, which is entertaining, but baffling to those who know better. Please, for you to have even an iota of credibility, back up your assertions with any sorts of fact.

You are aware, of course, as well, that socialism, which you often accuse liberals of supporting, exists on the opposite end of the spectrum of fascism, correct? Of course you're aware of that. You're the smartest one in your grade.

You are a moron.

Mr. Jones, both require limited individual rights and that everything must first go through the government.

Leftist justify this by claiming to be compassionate, therefore being different. One cannot gain power over individuals unless the government is powerful and has more control over their lives...

and leftist want big government that is in more control of peoples lives.

Doug (2.11) what helps me remember. hold your thumb 90 degress to your index finger. If it makes an "L" it's left. If it's a backward "L" thats right. Now if I could just learn how to tie my shoes.

And this is news? Who cares.

doug-1367432 ...(#2.11)..."I think you might have a misunderstanding of the right-left spectrum please explain your understanding of what makes something right vs. what makes it left?"

Here's a great short video of the real distinctions between left vs. right on the political spectrum.....and about the American form of government and where we are on that spectrum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzQnBE3mYZg

take this test... it'll tell you where you fall as far as left or right, authoritarian or libertarian based on a couple sociological questions.

LBF- http://aworldquitemad.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-i-hear-one-more-time-that-fascism-is.html

Thank you and goodnight pumpkin!

alex-3123851...

"all educated Americans are against the FED"

Bwhahaha....now thats some of the funniest sh1t I've read on here in a while.

And replace it with????

ckiles, you don't want government regulating your life, so are you as against government healthcare as I am. Because that would give them huge amount of power over us.

@lvingbarefoot "Let's see, they both would wipe out Jews,"

Really I dare you to go back over EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER POSTED HERE AND SHOW ME ONE TIME I HAVE STATED ANYTHING ABOUT KILLING OR WIPING OUT JEWS. I F***ING DARE YOU. I take offense to that comment.

There is a big f***ing difference between being their slaves, fighting their wars for them, dying for them, and paying for it, and wanting them wiped out or killed. You should remove your head from your a$$. Let me guess just another Israeli citizen that gets $1000 worth of aid every year from America FREE. Must be nice to get that much money all so you can you have your "shows of power" and act like a little bully. Any time you might get in trouble you come crying to big brother for help.

Maybe if you did not act like childish brats that had to get their way no matter the costs PEOPLE WOULD NOT WANT TO KILL YOU. If we stop worshipping you and blindly following your dumb a$$es then maybe we might be able to actually save your lives. But as long you continue on the course you are doomed to failure. Maybe treat the people there like human beings and stop sending tanks to shot random shots into suspected areas or drop bombs. Maybe treat this country better and do not expect us to ALWAYS BLINDLY FOLLOW YOU LOCK IN STEP. Are we f***ing married or what? Where is my ring?

Take your anti-semitic crap and shove it up your a$$ where your head used to be, it is not going to work here.

geezz, you would think real americans would be happy we stopped a terrorist attack. seems like many here would have been happier had he succeeded so you could scream it was obama's fault

the FBI and NYPD are right wing nuts and also the biggest terriost in america. but right wingers will deny it and blame it on the muslims. its pointless talking to right wingers. they dont admit anything.

<snark>Masterminding the sting operation was Ron and Rand Paul ... because if the Fed was ever to really go away, nobody would pay any attention to either one of them.</snark>

Notice whenever something like this happens the Liberals are always the first to claim it has to be a Conservative, but even after they found out it's not, no apology.

False flag

At the very least it is one of those cases where the FBI managed to find some moron scapegoat and then manufactured a terror plot.

Doug... Your an idiot!!!

Got to give them some credit...

They are GOOD at what they do!

I mean think about it. Islamic terrorist attacks the Fed. Soon, "End the Fed"will be inextricably linked to Al Qaeda in the space between the ears of John Q. Public where a brain should have been. The Fed is now the red, white, and blue in the war on terror.

Does anyone really think that, given a choice targetsof in the US, radical muslims would choose the NY Fed? I would highly doubt that they even know what the Fed is. Very nice work by the powers that be.

Extreme left is both Nazi and Communist? LOL

What is extreme right then? Goodness?

Hitler is as extreme right as you can get, the "socialist" in his party name is a failed attempt to get the left to support him. Little history lesson would tell you that.

the Gold Standard perhaps...

American Socialist

alex-3123851...

"all educated Americans are against the FED"

___________________________

"Bwhahaha....now thats some of the funniest sh1t I've read on here in a while."

And replace it with????

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Hello American Socialist,,,,,,,

,,,,,,, the shear depth of you naivete is as impressive as your lack of history reading.

This nation existed very well without the "Fed" before the 1913 Federal Reserve Act.

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How about we start with the United States Of America minting its own money as described in the Constitution Of The United States Of America .

You would have to be ignorant to consider supporting a system that allows a group of corrupt, private bankers to loan us OUR money to be paid back to them with interest.

What country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST?

What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest?

.

Are we REALLY that stupid as a Nation ?????? (Apparently so, or just very well misinformed.)

.

Didn't any of you stupid leftist learn ANYTHe ING in school? God, you make me sick, I don't think the schools do anything anymore but push their socialist agenda. No wonder you are so brainwashed and incapable of true independent thought, just keep pushing the leftist lies as if they are truth carved in stone.

I have heard this bull@!$%# from the left for fifty years and our young people never learn until (if) they are finally forced to get out and make a living on their own, then many realize that being a leftist is far from being in their own interest, that big government makes life difficult for the doers. Redistrubute your own money and leave me alone.

Why this evil animal Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis was allowed to come to the USA knowing the fact very well that all "so-called peaceful followers" of that militant evil cult named Islam are beasts and savages! US Government must stop giving visas to Moslems permanently and from now on, not single a single visa should be issued to anyone from that medieval community. That is a must. Every Moslem mosque is the breeding ground for terrorism and 99.991% Moslems are either terrorists or supports terrorism wholeheartedly as dictated by their “holy” poisonous book called Koran. If anyone reads that book (pack of lies) just once, he or she does not need any formal terrorist training for sure as because everything is there in that cancerous book how to be terrorists and killers! So, the time has come now to tackle those savages and their beastly acts with iron feasts until it is too late. Peace on earth sans the evil cult named Islam and its medieval militant followers! God save the world from those Islamist demons!

Barefoot,

this is where you are wrong. Hitler was a Fascist not a socialist. If you studied history at all like I have, since my Dad was a history teacher, you would know Hitler labeled his party the Nationalsozialismus in a move to attract the working class to his side. In ideology Hitler was a Fascist, which is on the extreme end of Capitalism. Hitler believed that by creating a country with only one race you could create a utopia so powerful that it would be a transcendent nation; in short that it would be the Promised Land of Christianity.

In order to do this all other races besides Aryans had to be purged from the country and thus the Holocaust began. Hitler was deeply motivated by Christian myth and a highly xenophobic nature. His policies are so far removed from Socialism and Communism (these are not the same thing) that for even suggesting that he was a Socialist I can say you do not have a proper education in the history of that time period nor Hitler's life and political ideology.

Because Rush or some other right learning source says so is not a valid argument either. Pick up any school text book, any proper history book and your assertion that Hitler was a Socialist falls flat on its face. I recommend Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It s a very long book, over 1000 pages, but it presents the facts of how and why the Third Reich rose to power and their activities thereafter.

Sadly, one could describe Al Quida and the Taliban as extreme right, or conservativism taken to it's extreme, but then there would be a problem here. Religious conservative in a country like Saudi Arabia where female circumsision can be practiced, and honor killing is considered OK should a son or daughter convert from Islam is very far removed from many who consider themselves conservatives in the US. How many Christians here would kill their own kid, for becoming an atheist or converting from Christianity? Ideas about women, having them wear veils, subserviating them to their husbands and a host of other matters which under Sharia law could take place, are not views held by Christianity today, at least not anymore... We are not in the midst of the Victorian age, nor are we in the heart of the Salem Witch Trials anymore either...

I hate to say it, and don't mean to sound partisan, but their world view could be deemed very conservative, within their own religion, in countries such as Saudi Arabia where women can be denied the right to drive a car, due to their gender. But what does Saudi Politics, Pakastani politics, or the like have to do with US politics? The entire system in many of these countries is rather far to the right on social issues, from what we see in the US. And the values aren't the same either. Though the state of Utah might pass a law banning daily drink specials (supposedly the Mormon influence and ideas of consuming alchoholic beverages), though some might want "intelligent design" taught in Texas schools, though some might protest or howl about certain depictions in movies, or make issue about movies like [i]Dogma[/i]; we don't often have people killing people over cartoons that depict images of Mohamed, or start protests because it puts these people's religion in a bad light. They'll be vocal yes, but not running for the gun (with perhaps a few exceptions).

This whole matter is a distraction. Left, right, however, we're dealing with a different culture, different religion, and a political spectrum all it's own... Trying to point fingers and make it look like American [b]citizens, and here I speak not of the parties themselves, but citizens who are members of either, or support either on this or that issue[/b] are somehow tied to what someone who's said to have ties to Al Quida believes or would do is just that. It distracts us, gets us to fight one another, point fingers at each other, look at each other in a bad light, but how many people Dem or Repub really agree with Al Quidas modus operandi, their values, or their whatever? What he did has the unfortunate effect of garnering sympathy for the Fed, regardless of whatever the nation has endured due to Fed policy, and Congress's failure to hold them in check, and exercise their own power on behalf of all citizens of the US (and not just the financial elite) such as specified in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constution. And the whole time we have liberals crying right wing nut job, associating Repubs to this terrorist, and we have conservatives decrying Occupy Wallstreet and calling out libs. And the irony is, that some elements of the Tea Party (or where it was at before people like Dick Army and the Coat brothers got involved), and some elements of the Occupy movement, perhaps share more in common then either might at first care to admit. Not all the complaints of either, are totally disimilar, though the finger might be pointed at different aspects of the same whole (aka if you look at the politicians, who exactly makes those campaign donations and who runs those lobbying organizations, and on behalf of whom?). But if you look at the latter, who exactly are they corrupting, and who are they buying out? And yet, Al Quida is neither, and it's bombers act for entirely their own purposes...

Now I am glad that I did not sell any of my gold..I only sold the silver scraps from filing rings and pendants.

I would not reccommend selling any gold to the middle persons who sell it to who knows who...

now taking bets. right wing nut or not?

I say not. Then again, I'm pretty sure the retard I mean righties probably wished this did occur so they'd have a reason to blame Obama for the lack of security.

Chad, nice post 1.10!

Agreed, FBI playbook. 1) Go find a young passionate idiot. 2) radicalize him 3) Give him the supposed means to carry out his most outrageous radical whim/fantasy 4) Arrest him when people are beginning to feel secure to make them feel insecure or to deligitimize a social movement 5)give the false impression that the FBI is actually competent and is keeping America safe. 6) repeat process

Another "not so smart" wannabe terrorist is caught by the FBI. Congratulations to the FBI.

Unfortunately, there only has to be one extremist smart enough one time. May we all remain vigilant.

Glad to see you get the whole point Dave.

The Federal Reserve Bank is the central bank of the United States. Regional branches of the Federal Reserve handle check processing for banks that hold accounts with them, and they charge a fee for their services. Such services include check collection, air transportation of checks to the Reserve Bank and delivery of checks to paying banks. Reserve Banks handle about 27 percent of U.S. checks.

So, if the bank was severely damaged and unable to function to process check handling, all those banks that send their checks to the FRB couldn't get paid or process their checks, so yeah, it could have been a big deal until the damage was repaired or another FRB was setup to handle it.

it would destroy all of obamas I.O.U. promissory notes he had made up to use next year in the event that somehow he acually won.

Oh boy, where do they grow idiots like you Conservative Mind ? No wonder this country is sinking like the Titanic.

Was it a plotted terrorist attack or just a neighborhood protest with launch grenades and AK47s like in Libya.

Or, was the attacker drawn to evil by a recent movie he rented. Maybe The Firm, or Wall Street, or All the Presidents Men.

Wow Barefoot, you are a really really dumb fktard. I mean really, just how blindly stupid are you? Educate yourself, or please just hold your breath. Here let me explain something to your nonprehensile mind:

Hitler was for the subversion of the individual, the removal of rights and freedoms, the subsuming of the needs of the people and the community for the need of the state, the militarization of society and the institutionalization of a regimen of education, indoctrination and politicization of youth to create a state of people loyal to the Fuhrer, the party and the state.

His party, the National Socialist German Workers Party, started off proposing a necessity to subvert your desires to the state and the leader, and oppose those who sought to devalue the state and culture of Germany, who he identified as communists primarily. By the mid 1920s, mostly due to encounters with Rosenburg, the party had radicalized along racial lines, now equating Judaism and communism as one and the same. In Mein Kampf, Hitler almost never mentions the Jews. He frequently mentions the Jewish bolsheviks however.

How you can equate that to being leftist baffles me, much like the Fascisti in Italy, it all but defined the extreme Right wing, though with the addition of a racial element which does not exclusively belong to either side of the political spectrum.

In a few of his early speeches, Hitler identified his party as the 'Real' German left, yet opposed to communists, this was a ploy to draw potential voters away from what would end up being his main opposition in the Reichstag (apart from the communists) , the SPD and the Christian center. By the time he achieved power in 1933, you will not find any mention of Hitler being associated with the left again.

Perhaps Italy and Spain were more of the traditional extreme right wing, but despite his racial tendencies, Hitler was as Right as any of them, a fact which was quickly recognized by both Mussolini and Franco, as well as by the other European tyrant, Stalin.

Conservative Mind - the Federal Reserve is made up of regional branches and its shareholders are banks such as Dow, Chemical, Citi, B of A and many more. The Fed loans money to its member banks at a rate determined by its members. Furthermore, the fed also loans and gives money to other nations as it chooses and any interest collected it is allowed to keep 6% and provides the treasury with the remaining 94%. If you would like - you can look at its founding charter. It is a real basic and simple C Corp. The Fed has given the EU over $6 trillion since 2009 and now imagine what that does to the value of our dollar.

conservative Mind: actually Wendy was closer to the true situation. Much like if main offices of JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs in NY would be hit. People would die, there would be a short interruption in service, then things would go on.

For good or ill, the big banks, and the FED is the biggest, really are too big to fail.

If you believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Obama. If you do not believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Romney. It is as simple as that. Europe is a complete socialist failure. America was not a failure until we started moving more toward a European style government and economy. How people can not see that Europe is failing due to its huge entitlement programs that are not sustainable is amazing. We should be going the opposite way of Europe, yet we have a President who thinks we should copy their every move.

Every nation is trying to gain more power and more influence throughout the world. It is human nature to want to get more power and control. Every other country is trying to increase their power and decrease America’s power. You can not blame them for their actions. They are just looking out for their best interests. It should concern everybody when almost every nation on the planet would like for a Democrat to be president and will actively help them to win elections. These other countries know that a Democrat in power means a weaker United States of America and more chance for them to increase their power. Do you really think these other countries that are both friendly and enemies of the United States want a Democrat in power because they think it will make them less powerful?

Obama received a huge endorsement from Iran's Ahmadinejad while he was in the United States for the United Nations. That should scare all AMERICANS! When you have a crazy man like Ahmadinejad who states he does not want to make certain comments because that could affect the American election, that is HUGE! Do we really want a president that Ahmadinejad hopes wins the election. Obviously Ahmadinejad knows that Iran gets stronger if Obama is a president and Iran gets weaker if Romney is president. Easy choice to vote for Romney over a current president that is backed by a tyrant.

IA.ScooterTramp,

"it would destroy all of obamas I.O.U. promissory notes he had made up to use next year in the event that somehow he acually won."

If last night's debate is any indication, it looks like Obama will win.

Actually, you folks calling me out don't know what you are talking about. I worked in check processing at the Charlotte Federal Reserve bank. I was the IT supervisor for check processing. We received and processed millions of checks nightly from banks in our region (Richmond region - ie we were part of the Richmond FRB). The country doesn't pass checks much through air transport any longer after 9/11 because the Federal Reserve created the Check21 process also known as the Check processing in the 21st century. However, a lot local checks are still processed by local FRB's (via automated clearinghouse)until all banks are moved over. Not everyone is. When I left the FRB, we were processing approximately 400,000 checks a night as check21 service. It was only a fraction of what was brought in.

You from both sides of the dominant political parties who think that the other set up this young guy to kill Americans to further their own cause is ludicrous and just as fanatical and crazy as this young man was. The young man has Al Quada links and came here to solicit help with other Al Quada cells to help him. He unfortunately made the mistake of asking for help from an undercover agent who then organized the sting operation. Had the young man had gotten hold of the people he was looking for and carried out his plan, then you would all be accusing each other for the failure of our intelligence agents, FBI, etc... for not doing their jobs. If you think that there are not terrorist cells alive and well, then you are crazy yourselves. The message here is clear...Because bin Laden is dead, does not mean Al Quada is running scared. This kid will either think he is still a true hero and martyr, or he will look around and see that he was merely used as a tool and no one is there singing his praises, and he will spill the beans on others who organize these acts...They are very good at recruiting impressionable young men for their cause. Maybe you had better quit hating each other and start looking objectively at FACTS.

jerseyshoremarie,

"He unfortunately made the mistake of asking for help from an undercover agent who then organized the sting operation."

Good post. But what's a young would-be terrorist to do? You just can't trust anyone these days. :)

probably just looked it up on craigs list or e-bay...............

Funny how it's ALWAYS a sting operation. It's like nothing happens until we bait them so that the drum can keep beating. And, BTW, why do you people come on here to comment yet "collapse" everyone else's? It seems to defeat the purpose but, then again, it all seems to be rigged now doesn't it???

Thank you Pat, for pointing that out. It becomes very obvious who collapsed what statement when you click on to see what the person said.

People collapse comments because they want to silence anyone who doesn't agree with them. You only make yourselves look like you have nothing intelligent to say to rebute the statement.

but i thought obama said he was closing that place.... ............:)

No scooter tramp, then the smirking chimp from texaz (george dumbya bush) and his good pal, dick (boy is he), cheney, would have no place to visit and reminisce about the good old water boarding days.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW can it be another debate...... so OBAMA can pad himself for catching another Al Quaeda operative ........I think he needs it, so MICHELLE can CLAP AGAIN ha ha ha .......what a joke. The Obama campaigners work very hard on making up lies .

Kyle:

If they were real terrorists and part of a network it would be Homeland Security working on it, not the FBI. And we might not even hear about it since 'transparency' is not in Homeland Security's vocabulary--we can't even get a straight answer on what their budget actually looks like. I've heard between $58-$98 billion from everyone from conspiracy theorists to Wikipedia.

EVERY domestic terrorism sting has involved the FBI as the actual ring leaders.

at least its American jobs....you would prefer they just do it themselves perhaps?

KYLE..funny how all the people that you called "set up "are middle eastern

Romney should start out the next debate with the following:

Mr. Obama is excellent at debating. To give an analogy he is like an underweight boxer, he punches above his weight.”

Then Romney should look at Obama and throw a fake jab and smirk at Obama. It would be absolutely hilarious !

http://www.youtube.com/v/erYpXzE9Pxs%26

Steve-3135432...Although Kyle is way off with his "set up"by our country theory, your remark about them all being middle eastern is ridiculous in this context...The guy was from Bangladesh...Look at a world map, please.

@scooter, The fed building in NY has more gold in it's underground vaults than Fort Knox. More than 7,000 metric tons! I don't think you can call that an empty building.

I know the Vatican has large gold reserves in The Fed's vaults, and I do believe it is the NY branch.

max

well at one time perhaps....But it is under the U.S.Governments control, ( read in politicians) and we know how thrifty that bunch are...........anyone seen it ?................:)

Max, i have more gold on my finger than there is in Fort Knox. No one has seen the gold in over 40 years, the military is guarding an empty building.

Scooter....other governments store their gold in the NY Federal Reserve for safe keeping allong with gold owned by the US. The NY Fed is faaaaaaaar from an empty building.

Franks also has more tinfoil in his hat than I have in my cupboard. Now he can wrap up his dinner when the black helicopters come to get him!

take another few hits and crawl back under the bridge troll.

someone should blow you dumb ass up

True Leader:

' You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.' ---Abraham Lincoln---

Failed Leader:

' You can ONLY help the poor by destroying the rich. You can ONLY strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You can ONLY bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You can ONLY lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You can ONLY further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You can ONLY build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You can ONLY help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.' --- Barack Obama---

Excellent!!!

Kudos for that comment, Mr. Pity. I am not crazy about the choices we have for our next election, but at least you wrote an intelligent coherent post without name-calling and hateful, derogatory statements about religion and race.

"entrapment"??? seriously??? what TV shows have you been watching or what have you been smoking? You obviously have no real clue as to what "entrapment" is.

You like the FED?

Hey, congrats cameron ford, you put a few words together and formed a sentence. Sorry to say that your sentence proves you are a brainless dimwit. Go back to school and this time finish the third grade fool.

Cameron Ford,

Just because the MSM chooses to ignore Ron Paul and his supporters doesn't make them suspiciously quiet. The MSM also chooses to ignore everyone else not DEM or REP.

The Federal Resreve will not run out of money.

The Federal Reserve cannot run out of money. As long as they are able to punch digits into a keyboard, they will have money.

Do you understand how this works Justice Fleeting?

When you say "we are out of dollars" what do you mean exactly?

Alan, you are correct, they may just make the recyclable value of the bills more valuable than the actual note.

Your ignorance is showing. Do you even have the slightest clue of what the FED is or does.

It is not a govenrment agency. It is a privately held company. Neither the President nor the Treasury Dept. have any control over the FED whatsoever. Actually the opposite is true.

The FED creates money out of thin air, then charges everyone else, including the Federal Government, interest and fees on said money.

Funny thing is the more in debt the government becomes, the richer the owners of the FED get. So you don't have to worry about them running out of cash anytime soon.

You seemed to have forgotten one name justice fleeting. Good ole george dumbya bush, the smirking chimp who gave the banksters (gangster bankers) a few TRILLION before he left office.

The Fed’s pledged to buy $600 billion in Treasury securities with the objective of adjusting inflation levels around the world. This occurred in 2010. They can create money, but someone has to pay.

But to sooth all of your pathetically narrow minds, the statement was a joke. Obviously you monetary nerds are not in favor of the gold standard. The benefit of a gold standard is that money is backed by a fixed asset. This provides a self-regulating and stabilizing effect on the economy.

You people have to lighten up!

The crook nixon certainly was not in favor of the gold standard when his ignorant republican butt took america off the gold standard.

I understand the joke Justice Fleeting. But I don't even think the Federal Reserve should be around.

It all goes back to the end of WWII when the US Dollar was made the fiat currency. Look up the Bretton Woods Agreement. The US Dollar has since been changed to the "reserve currency" for the IMF. The Dollar has become watered down because they must print currency for the entire world. Charging interest of course. The US Dollar makes up roughly 70% of Allocated Reservers globally.

Yeah, let's go back on the gold standard. It would make the Great Depression look like a fun time at Disney World!

alex-3123851...For someone who thinks they are so much more educated than others, your attacks only serve to make you look like the fool. Follow your own advice, go back to school with Cameron Ford and learn proper sentence construction and punctuation

You conspiracy theory idiots on the Al Queda made up fairy tale (just ask Hillary Clinton) really are annoying. Who gives a ratts arse about al queda. Last time I checked the FED is the one sinking America. Printing money faster than a speeding bullet and giving Trillions to the banksters, and other countries. Can your pea-brain even understand what I just said scary sharri ?

LOL, at your complete comment. Guess who has a pee brain, and yes I did mean "pee" brain.

Who needs to guess, I just told everyone it was you scary sharri. What are you retarded. Oops, I guess you are.

Ha...laughing...still laughing AT YOU!

L. (as in lyncher?)....You are truly dispicable, bigoted and racist...As are most of the people who post ridiculous personal insults against someone of a different political party. You all get so caught up in your hatred that there is no way you can ever make an objective or intelligent comment.

Uh, EXACTLY !!! Even a first grader can figure that out, but unfortunately too many idiots in america aren't quite as smart as a first grader. Who cares about some bogus "false flag CIA/FBI" operation when the real crooks are right out in the open. The thugs at the FED led by the pos liar bernanke, are raping all Americans, and the republicans are the morons supporting the ongoing ignorance. Keep the hateful, selfish, greedy republicans out of the White House and America might have a chance.

But Obama loves the Federal Reserve.

excellent question....Rezwanus appears to be the stupidest sub-human alive and you have to wonder how he even boarded the right plane to the US......these people are a bad combination of demented and sad.

Ask dumbya bush, the smirking chimp, who was the last idiot in the White House. Why did he allow 60 Million illegals to cross the USA/Mexico border ??? He did not let the Border Patrol Agents do their job, and he immediately threw a fit when the Militia secured the border in ONE day. No, I think you should be looking at the high crimes traitor bush for the answers you are seeking. May the entire bush family hang for their crimes against America and the world.

What's to discuss ? Somebody get a rope.

but dangerous and willing to give up their lives for something...more than we can say about the 47% sitting venting 24/7 while illegals can find jobs...and not pay taxes: thus we the workers PAY FOR ALL just a little while longer!

After 9-11 l7,000 were provided Visas: Bu@!$%#es...then we had the Muslim in the White House with his cancellation of National Day of Prayer---but a new regime "CHANGE" 57,000 special invites to WDC for the new
N A T I O N A L M U S L I M D A Y of P R A Y E R...
and they have their own ACLU, ethnic groups and
MUSLIMS and ILLEGALS are exclued from the new HEALTH KILL BILL.
If you work and your 23% came in this year: next year you won't be able to pay for your premiums like ours at $4200...I can hardly hold my breath to be doused...with that fire...illuminating my already overloaded brain and worn out taxpaying body..

They've bought over $2 trillion in MBS. It's magic. David Blayne is jealous.

and in his own Kenyan Muslim book printed words that those who bow to EVIL vs One Nation Under GOD do not read...for some small mental problem..."and if the winds should shift, I will stand with the Muslims!"

And all those quotes by Rham & Clintonista "never miss taking advantage of a crisis" especially when it is self-created!

And no one of his devout followers: know or can elaborate on the repeated Communist-Socialist dialogues...daily...he and his 102 Un Cons titutional Socialist Czars..

As contributing law abiding US Citizens we are so fortunate to have a $17 TRILLION debt to the Communist Chinese and welfare for the 47% to ban together 14/7 in unison for their king; and for the 88% increase in foreign aid--which as workers: we will drop dead ...without ever touching the interest daily $800 BILLION...

And all while the Communist Chinese build up their billion person Military while poisoning us dba the USA: and takeover the worlds natural resources... laugh all the way to DEAD USA>>>sovereigty parasitic to SLAVES...

PS On the Feds ain't Feds at all: I bet the majority of the 47% would understand "drug cartels": same who own the Federal Reserve which has extracted ALL the gold at Ft Know ...decades ago..we are worthless except for body parts USA>>>why do you think the Kenyan databased all of us...with the lst $200BILLION removed from the Medicaid/care...Funds...and you thought it was for your ....entitlements...without paying for your birthright!

I believe the term for our money is now called "fiat currency" -- monetary value determined by a government regulation or law. There is no real worth unless the government says so, thus they can create it out of thin air and claim it has value. Great, isn't it?

I think it's funny and interesting that, should the whole "End the Fed" thing come to pass one day, the money in our pockets will be worthless. Or if the Reserve just prints too much then it will also be worthless. We're screwed either way! lol

or maybe you're even an A-T-H-E-I-S-T, O intellectual heavyweight...

The money in our pockets is already worthless knifegirl. The zionist jews at the FED are laughing, as they pulled the greatest robbery ever, and most americans don't even know the crime happened. And so many ignorant fools, mainly the republican mobs, think the FED is just grand. Kiss america goodbye. Its just a matter of time now. It will be faster under the mormon cult freak romney, but nonetheless america is finished.

Pick out a nice cardboard box now.

ahhhhhhh shaddap you arab.

Athiest does not understand that the Federal Reserve is a quasi-government institution and is only partially privately run by a mostly not-for-profit group of banks. He also doesn't understand that without the Federal Reserve, our economic cycles would be much sharper and economic growth would be hindered. But he thinks he learned a lot from a Politician - Ron Paul.

Wow Smeado, how's your job at the Fed?

The Federal Reserve is a private bank and there is nothing "quazi-governmental" about it. They create our supply of fiat currency out of thin air and charge the American people interest for it. The Fed actually creates economic cycles because our monetary system is essentially a ponzi scheme.

Why do we let these devil worshipping Islamofascists in our country??? It's obvious 90% are a POS! They should all be sent back to their countries. If blue collar workers ran this country, there'd be no muslims allowed in the USA, we'd balance the budget pay our bills on time, free trade would be banned and we'd have a flat tax. White collar politicians are beholden to their constituents. The 2 party monopoly is driving us down to the abyss.

ALEX...get some therapy...your infactuation with Bush sounds like a relationship gone bad and your still bitter

So, have you ever heard Rod Stewart sing "infactuation?"......pretty cool song.

The Federal Reserve banking system is not privately owned! Stop listening to Ron Paul... he's a politician for Christ's sake!!!