
Gresham Police Department
Whitney Heichel, 21, was last seen by her husband at 6:45 a.m. Tuesday before leaving for her shift at Starbucks.
Police in Oregon are investigating the disappearance of a woman who went missing on her way to work Tuesday.
Whitney Heichel, 21, was last seen by her husband at 6:45 a.m. on Tuesday at her Gresham, Ore., apartment before leaving for her shift at Starbucks about five minutes away from her home, police said in a statement.
When Heichel didn’t show up for work, her husband, Clint Heichel, told police he received a call asking if she was sick. He called 911 to report her missing just before 10 a.m.
A team of 24 detectives were following leads and canvassing areas Wednesday where police believe Heichel may have been immediately prior to her disappearance.
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Several transactions were made on Heichel’s debit card the morning she went missing, including once at a gas station at 9:14 a.m. and again at ATM machines and other gas stations at 9:22 a.m. and 9:30 a.m, according to police.

Gresham Police Department
Police said Heichel's vehicle, a black 1999 Ford Explorer with tinted taillights and an Oregon license plate, were found in a Walmart parking lot in Wood Village, Ore., about three miles north of Gresham.
According to a missing person flyer, a gas station attendant at one of the stations said he remembered seeing her SUV and said Heichel was sitting in the passenger seat with a man driving. The man reportedly bought a small amount of gas.
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Heichel’s vehicle, a black 1999 Ford Explorer with tinted taillights and an Oregon license plate, was later found in a Wal-mart parking lot in Wood Village, Ore., about three miles north of Gresham, at 11:17 a.m. The vehicle had a shattered window and it appeared as if someone had rummaged around inside, police said.
Heichel is 5'2'' tall and weighs 120 pounds. Police say they are treating the incident as a suspicious missing persons case.
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A team of 24 detectives on it?!!?
I mean, it's terrible she's gone missing, but... committing 24 detectives to the case? This just goes to show, if you're a pretty, young, white woman, you get the full power of the police. If she wasn't... they'd have what, a couple of flyers out and maybe a traffic cop "keeping an eye out?"
If they aren't doing anything else, then why not put as many people as possible on it. Plus, they probably used as many detectives as possible because the missing report was called in less than 4 hours of her last known spot.
I hope and wish them all the best in finding her healthy and alive. My heart goes out to the husband as well, I can only imagine his worry.
I'm pretty sure she is Latino, not white Matt. How bout we don't judge right away and safely assume that there is more to the story than the press has knowledge of.
How could you say such a thing! If my husband or family member went missing I would be so grateful for as many detectives as possible that could be on the case.
Thinking of her husband at this time and praying for a safe return.
I'm pretty sure she is Latino, not white Matt. How bout we don't judge right away and safely assume that there is more to the story than the press has knowledge of.
This seems odd.
My guess is she is just running away from the marriage. 21 and married...probably wants out of it.
If she was seen at a gas station in the passenger seat while the guy pumped gas, she could have gotten out of the car/got someones attention. And this was done multiple times going to ATMs.
When they found the SUV, I'm guessing they broke the window possibly to make it look like the car was stolen.
I hope it's not a kidnapping but it doesn't sound like it.
Matt,
You are an idiot....a real Grade A idiot! And anybody that agrees with you is a real Grade A idiot! Maybe you all can get together and go form a Grade A Idiot colony and then the whole colony will hopefully go missing. I'm sure nobody would bother looking for any of you!
Honestly........idiot!
And James-546195-1049965 seems to be an idiot who watches too many cop shows on TV.
Maybe they are trying to prevent another situation similar to the Colorado child abduction/dismemberment. The comment about her being Caucasian, is frankly ignorant. According to your logic, a kidnapper would be safer abducting a person of 'color.' This might be true for you, but not so across the board.
Ignore Matt he is a troll trying to race bait. He's not worth our time.
Thoughts and prayers for a safe return.
cehasz (and Matt):
I thought we WERE lumping Latinos into white...Zimmerman.
Prayer for the safety of this young lady...may her husband be supported by family and friends at this time.
(Sorry for taking the bait!) I kind of hate myself.
It's possible she may have been bound or handcuffed in the vehicle and unable to escape. She could have been threatened against calling attention to herself.
I'm glad that they are looking for her but I thought it was customary to wait 24 hours befroe looking for an adult.
Matt:
she could have any color and gotten the same response.. stop the race card, race baiting BS.
gmainco.....excuse me but what the H*ll is 'race bait' ??
there are only 3 races, so, you are either white. black, or asian.(and of course mixed) hispanics are all of the caucasian race, so are arabs and indians(not native americans ,dependin on tribe many are asian mongolian decent and some others are mixed, non-negro heritage)
She is much prettier than most black women so your probably right Matt. I would look for her before lashawnda too.
Kidding of course
There are only 3 races...or do you mean 3 race "classifications"?
Negroid - Caucasoid - Mongoloid


once the ATM transactions were verified, it then became a carjacking case, rightly so; finding the car damaged and not finding her is a really bad sign; the walmart parking lot is strange, unless there was another person with another car waiting, hope the walmart surveillance cameras were on, it could be a big break.
In Oregon an attendant pumps the gas while you sit in your vehicle if you pay with cash (yes, I realize this isn't the case here) and there are machines outside to pay so he may have been close by and she felt she couldn't espcape.
Its sad that blacks have to bring race into everything. You dont hear us whining about feeding and clothing, and giving free cellphones to all his relatives do ya?
Most of the time that crap is posted by right wing white so idiots like yourself can post crap like the above. They race bait for their own enjoyment not because they are black. BTW how did you even know the person was black. Latinos and other races suffer from the same kind of ho hum responses.
don't be fooled....the majority of welfare recepients are non black. Let's keep to subject...there's a women missing possibly kidnapping or run-away bride'ish... let's wait for the 24-48 report before rushing to judgement.
this is the problem with YOU people...stop lumping all blacks into the same catagory...there are plenty on welfare just like there are plenty of PWT on welfare too
Actually there's only one race. The human race.
Negroid? Mongoloid? Are you seriously going to use outdated 1950s anthropology terms? There are only a couple genes in the whole DNA strand that even determine color.
Three races..... what ignorance.
I think the reason for having so many detectives on the case is because the likelihood of finding her alive is greatly reduced after 24 hours missing.
billy6900 you are an a** and sowwycharlie you're a bigger a**
Thank U, Dangerous Mind!
"Actually there's only one race. The human race."
♪♫Can I get a witness?♪♫
Agreed Dangerous Mind. The sad thing is the way people perceive us all to be different even though we are the same.
No, you cannot get a 'witness'
Awww Paul, now Ima sad. :-P
(THAT ladies & gentlemen is how U post sarcasm.)
;-)
The first 48 hrs matter the most, if this was my daughter i would have all 5 thousand people in my town looking for her...
God bless and God speed, find her boys and bring her back alive and safe
Why all the angst towards Matt? He's telling the truth.
You belong in Matt's Idiot Colony DSTT.
yes thats what i mean
cehasz, she is white. so what if she is hispanic or not. jim carter is correct. being part of a race or ethic group does not matter.
Hispanics are not all white, they can be of any race. Look it up before you post ignorant things as fact.
Comment # 1 restored for clarity.
Troy I think your holding back............go ahead tell us what you really think about Matt.
Troy1101, The Airdog, both suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
sowwycharlie banned, re-reg of multiple accounter honkychop.
notice how they didn't specify the race of the man in the drivers seat when she was spotted...that means he was black....they are so afraid to mention race if it's a black man, but if it was a white guy that would have been reported...but they don't want people to keep thinking all blacks are criminals so they leave it out
There must be enough evidence to indicate that this woman did not leave willingly, or so many resources would not be used in the search. I think that most of us wouldn't risk our jobs by being a no call/no show, even if we had decided to leave our partner. Unfortunately, women/girls will always be at higher risk of becoming victims of violent crimes, until the people who oppress, degrade, and victimize them are held accountable. It is unfair to blame the victim for what you can speculate that she could have done differently. No woman can be guaranteed safety, but can only decrease risk factors. The bottom line is that these perpetrators are 100% responsible for these crimes. They made a choice to abduct, abuse, rape, and/or kill.
Just to clarify...living in Oregon, it is against the law to pump your own gas. When I go to the gas station where I live, there is no reason for me or my passenger to exit the vehicle. We stop, roll down the window, give the attendant our debit card, and then we are on our way.
I hope they find her safe. Prayers to her family.
Amen to that.
God bless and God speed, bring her home safe boys.. Go Get Some !
So pretty, so young. Best wishes to her family for a successful resolution with a happy ending.
It goes to show--horrible things can happen in 5 minutes.
For the record Oregon has the largest population of ex felons in the country
I Lived about 5 miles from that Walmart for 15 years and there is alot of crime in the area, so not suprized to hear this. I wonder if the window was broken after it was left there by someone car hopping.
I hope she is found soon, no matter the circumstances. God be with her family.
Law enforcement in Oregon act fast. She was missing only three hours and hubby reported her missing to police and they took action. In my state adults can't be reported missing until 24 hours has passed from last time seen (they take the report but no action yet by law enforcement).
Mike277, the law is they cant be reported for 24 hours if you dont have any evidence but when they have reports of her at a gas station with an unknown male, her debit card is being used and they found her vehicle broken into. that escalates things rather quickly.
She has a pretty face.. if she was a sweat hog no one would look for her..
Chris..how you think they got the evidence that her charge card was used twice at two different gas stations?
The police already started the search for her, thats what comment #4 by me is about...law enforcement acts fast in Oregon!
The average person can't get that charge card info that fast.
actually, mike, i can see immediately if someone uses my card. It's a visa debit card and i bank on line. not to be argumentative, just letting you know that it is possible.
@Mike: Where is that at? B/c I think for most part, US police dept. act pretty quick compared to other countries. In Mexico, it's 72 hrs which is ridiculous. Alot can happen in 72 hours. American police knows that every second counts.
I was thinking the same thing Ken, i'm just an average person and i can find my puchases in minutes. If i make a large purchase in a store the card company will call my cell phone before i leave the store.
Exactly. I'm just an average person and I can find my purchases within minutes, either online or through an automated phone system. It is not as difficult as Mike makes it seem.
CanadianPaul.
Did I read you correctly, the low rates at Chase? The last time I got an offer from from Chase they wanted 19.99%, where as the cards Iuse all have rates in the 8% range. When I get mail form Chase it goes into file 13 unopened & chase can go chase itself. Your probably rite about the customer service though, all of my friends that use chase say it's 2nd rate.
Back to the topic, I sure hope this girl turns up safe & able to return to her home & family.
Warren,
We cops look for 'all' just as hard as the pretty one's... H3LL we'd even look for you, you A$$WIPE! She looks alittle 'Redskin' to me, well da"n, so do I!
You actually do not have to wait 24 hours to file a missing person's report, you can file as soon as you have reasonable cause to believe that they are missing.
Police WILL respond to a missing person situation when the circumstances are suspicious. Being that she made no contact to her employer and her husband supposedly couldn't reach her knowing that she was on her way to work, that can be classified as suspicious. And, perhaps the husband is the person who told the police that the card had been used multiple times and places in a short period of time, helping to speed up things.
"The vehicle had a shattered window and it appeared as if someone had rummaged around inside, police said. Police say they are treating the incident as a suspicious missing persons case. "
Captain Obvious... it takes 24 detectives? This is clearly a robbery/abduction/potential rape.
Mike277, the law is they cant be reported for 24 hours if you dont have any evidence but when they have reports of her at a gas station with an unknown male and find her vehicle broken into that escalates things
Chris..how did they know she was at a gas station with a unknown male, vehicle broken into? They already started the search to get that info!
Right, because you cant smash a window to run away with someone else. I think it is a kidnapping too, but this is not obvious, that is why they are treating it the way they are.
The busted glass proves that it was a kidnapping. It's in the running away code of conduct, that you can't do too much to make it appear to be a kidnapping. Smashing your car window violates rule #35 (see the footnote on this to see when it is okay to smash the window of your car). So with that information the police know where to focus their attention.
The 1st 24 hours are critical. If no substantial leads can be found, then the chances of solving the alleged crime falls exponentially. I sincerely hope they find her OK --- somebody had to see her with this mysterious man.
good luck Cops.......find her quick................
*quickly
Scooter,
Why is it that all the idiots and creeps come out to converse when these types of stories are released?
Have you read some of these posts? Some of these people need real help based on nothing more than their twisted thoughts. Freaking weirdos dude. I'd rather go argue with some Obamatards than rot my brain on creeps....lol.
Have fun with these tards.
did they check the cameras at the wally world to see who parked the suv there? if so what did he / she get into? these simple facts and faces would be of immense help and a bolo could be issued through the media............
Scooter, I don't remember there being any mention of Wally World in the article. Where did you hear about Wally World?
I read "wally world" it in the article.
"Wally World" is what some people call Wal-Mart, which was mentioned in the article above.
ijkl - "walmart"
That parking lot is Huge and by the looks of the picture, her car is parked in a weird area of it, closer to other businesses (in the lot). I'm sure they have cameras, but not sure if they'll cover every single inch of it. I could be wrong, just speculation. Crossing fingers she's alright.
Thinking what the FBI is likely thinking. Husband did something to her, but until they can put a finger on it and get more evidence, they don't want to tip their hand and spook the husband into not cooperating
I'm hoping the investigators are reviewing all the gas station and WalMart camera footage in hopes they find some leads. This is crazy! I hope she is okay and they find her alive and well. My thoughts are with her.
I'm sure the investigators won't review the gas station and Walmart camera footage. Too obvious and can be deleted too easily. This whole thing is a conspiracy theory orchestrated by Starbucks to generate a buzz, increase sales and do away with a poor worker without suffering a civil suit for racial discrimination. Not to mention the car was parked in Walmart where the cameras don't reach. The culprits were probably Walmart workers, hired by Starbucks to use their intricate knowledge of the parking lot.
@ Maureen FBI typically would not be involved unless high profile person, or transportation across state lines.
Rofl...best post of the day canadian paul...bring a little humor to all this craziness on this thread
this all transpired 48 hours ago, i sincerely hope it didn't take the cops that long to inform the local public, or perhaps it did and hence no one would remember seeing her / them. pitty............
Afternoon Scooter
Well, you know NBC, could not find room on this page to post that possible abduction because they have to cover everything that Feisty, Bev etc are interested in!
"News, we don't need no stinkin' news..." paraphrase from Treasure of Sierra Madre
We were hearing about it a couple hours after her disapperance.
I read these comments and I know we have no chance as a society to continue to succeed...............
you got that right! It is such a shame. And to think of all the good lives lost fighting for our country just for today's people like this to ruin it.
To be fair, we're not all idiots who will say anything behind a computer screen. At least some of us have the ability to use our brains and think for ourselves.
Unfortunately ApacheRose that's not the case on Newsvine and it hasn't been for years. I remember when I first joined this community some 6 years ago that there was a lot of rationality and good discussion, but the degradation of civil discourse in our politics slowly and surely bled into Newsvine and it became infected with noxious, partisan hatred and blind derision. It's tragic to see something that was so valuable fall to become something so toxic. All I see when I come on here now is a collection of collapsed comments, indicating how severe the partisanship has come--nobody wants to listen to anybody else's argument anymore. We don't debate, we mute and talk over.
I understand MPyR...I know how this community often is. A lot of it comes from keyboard warriors and our decline as a society. It definitely is sad because as you probably would agree...unless we come together...there is no fixes some of the issues that face us as a country.
Runoff with her other man. Husband was not taking care of business at home.
As someone who used to contract at this very WalMart store, I can attest that a significant portion of the clientele there are of "questionable" character and yet the store's exterior security is virtually non-existent. While they have excellent camera coverage, they do not enforce their posted prohibition on overnight parking. Drug paraphernalia is common outside of the store, yet they have no in-house or contracted security assigned to patrol the very large property. I do not doubt that, if this is foul play, the perp felt comfortable going to this location for nefarious purposes.
Well said and soooo true.
solid use of nefarious.
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I hope they find her...to many stories like this...
In spite of the horribly comments made by some I am hopeful that she is found alive and well.It makes me glad to see law enforcement treating this as a kidnapping and not assuming that she just took off.Time is of the essence when a person is missing and it should always be treated as a worst case scenario.
Comments on this forum are painfully disgusted .....I cannot believe how much heartless people are functioning and eating the daily bread without the conscience and regards for other human being ........I hope she is alive and healthy too much lately too much to bear..... I'm not surprise just by reading this post you can tell how many brainless heartless people and others call SARCASM .....I will not trust that sarcastic meeting on the street at night or early morning hours...
I too hope that she is found safe and sound and very soon. I agree that it is best that the police approach this as a kidnapping -- but I also suspect (or at least hope) that they are looking @ other angles to this as well. I have heard of cases like this over the years --Yes, she could have been abducted --or maybe she did run away and leave her husband --Or maybe (and yes, I just may have watched too many Law & Orders) but in a case like this the police alway have to look @ the husband too -- after all he was the last one to to see her and he is the one who reported her missing. Hope for the best.
I hope they find her safe and sound.
I guaruntee you she has been legitimately raped several times.
what a horrific thing to say ! assfaces ! would you want some one saying that about ur mom or sister...?
LEGITIMATELY ? REALLY ? A new word you don know how to use ?
u have proved that people can be conceived and delivered anally !
stupid fool !
hmmm where were you yesterday morning Joe? Maybe in Oregon?
joe, what a prick thing to say. here's hoping that you get "legitimately raped", with much prejudice, very soon and very often.
I don't think Joe was trying to be mean, I think he was just poorly referring to Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri, who made the statement that if a woman is "legitiamately raped" she won't get pregnant.
Some of you have very short memories of stupid things politicians say.
Yes, Todd Akin is a moron and we all got a good chuckle out of his stupidity when he made that comment.
Is this really the appropriate context, though?
No, Bob...I don't think it is. Bad timing Joe. I'm shocked there are only 3 comments flaming you though. Given how few people think, thirty would have made more sense.
Well, at least DD in Indy figured out what was meant and HOW it was meant about 'legitimate rape'. Humor here is misguided for sure and VERY POORLY EXECUTED, but at least there are a few people in the blogs that understood it. Let us ALL HOPE she is safe.
Joe Scatone...Unfortunately it is you that is the idiot; What does this story have to do with the iditotic comments of a politician. Your pathetic attempt at humor or political bashing would be better placed away from a possible unfortunate instance where a woman may be harmed!
It doesn't matter what Joe thought or wanted us to believe what he meant.His comments are inappropriate.This girls' life is important and shouldn't be fodder for heartless remarks and political comments.
I guaruntee (or guarantee as anyone who has passed the 2nd grade spell it) that everyone thinks Joe is an idiot!
"I guaruntee you she has been legitimately raped several times."
Probably not by you though Joe. From the looks of your photo I'd say you are most certainly batting for the other team so I guess they can rule you out.
Doesn't sound all that suspicious to me - she ran off with another guy. And for an adult, don't they have to wait 24 or 48 hrs before declaring them missing? Also 24 POLICE AND DETECTIVES? Seems extreme to me - don't they have gangs and murders to look into?
I guess you've never heard of the "missing white woman syndrome". If Maria Gomez or Shanice Jackson went missing there would be a lot less detectives.
What's wrong d_m77? Have you had one too many women run out on you because you can't take care of their needs? That's really the only explanation I can come up with for someone immediately assuming she just ran off with another man instead of being kidnapped. I feel sorry for you. Also, as to the high number of officers working the case, would you rather the police make an attempt to prevent a potential murder or just work on cases in which the murder has already been committed?
Joe...
too damn bad your not the one missing so we could all not care why the worst happens to you. you heartless thing.
Joe Scatone,
I would guess from your comment that you haven't bothered to look at the picture of the missing lady. A simple glance shows a darker complexion & then there's those big brown eyes, the facial features. Each suggesting a Latino or Native American heritage.
Just hope she is able to come home safe & soon to family & friends.
So everyone rags on Joe for making a valid point, but everyone is quick to accuse the husband. Shame on you Joe. Why can't you be more heartless like these other people who think they are Dr. Holmes from a thousand miles away and blame the dude that lost one of the most important people in his life.
Check w/ her husband.
yup!!
yup!!! wondering about that husband waiting so long to call....
Do you ever catch anything when you are trolling like that.
Not a bad idea. He could have waited for the no show call, took off and dumped the body, break the window then drive to wally world. Only a security tape will exonerate him. She could have been sitting up in the passenger seat already dead. This is bad mojo too many women getting hurt by their unstable husbands.
How long did the husband wait to call? I'm going to assume her shift didn't start until 7 am. I imagine it took Starbucks 2-3 hours before calling the husband who in turn called the police, wait for it... at 10 am! 3 hours after her shift and probably not that much longer after he was made aware of her absence. It's not like he waited a month (Casey Anthony anyone?). Seriously, would you call the police immediately, you would have to assume that someone kidnapped your loved one and most of us would probably come up with a more reasonable explanation first.
I'd take a close look at Hubby..
How close?
How come she didn't jump out of the car and escape while he was buying gas and his other shopping moments? If she was tied up and couldn't why not kick and scream to get attention?
You have a point, but i'd say if he had a firearm and stuck it in her face with a threat, it could scare her enough to do what he said. Maybe threatened her family, etc.? Who knows?
Honestly, who can truly say what they would do in a situation like that. I consider myself a pretty tough person and I'd like to think that I'd kick the guy in the nuts, bust his nose and run off. But, the reality is when real fear kicks in you may not do those things. I had a violent person that I knew trying to break into my apartment a few years ago in the middle of the night and I was so afraid I couldn't remember my own address to give the 911 operator. How's that for fear? So, I just hope they find this young lady and that she's okay.
Maybe there was a gun to her back behind her. Who knows why? Why are evil people sharing our streets?
Because she could have already been dead.
justvisiting,Maybe her fight or flight response didn't kick in due to the terror of the situation.Why are you even second guessing her reaction or lack of ,when she is, as of this moment considered the victim of a kidnapping and robbery?
DD in Italy - I can. I would ninja kick the perps in the throat double roundhouse them while they're stunned, pick up a manhole cover and chuck it at them like a frisbee so that it bounces off one and hits the other. Then while they're knocked out I would stuff them down said manhole and call the cops. That is EXACTLY what I did last time and that is EXACTLY what I will do every time, until these perverts stop trying to butt rape me.
I live in Oregon and we have a no self service law for gasoline. I thought it was crazy when I first moved here but it is what it is. Therefore she would not have had a chance to run when he got gas because he didn't leave the car....Praying that she is found safe...
the fact that her car was found all smashed is reason to believe this is not her running off with another man...
Really? I'm not all trying to speculate, but she could have easily run off with someone and they broke the window to make it look like a robbery. Just saying.
Bless her heart I do PRAY they find her....but how many times have we heard this story....meanwhile some cute little hispanic or black girl is somewhere suffering and praying somebody finds her.........you won't find her picture NOWHERE?
Say what?
I believe the last word should be "anywhere", which will avoid that nasty "double negative". Also, you should end that last sentence (we'll ignore all of your "...") with a period or an exclaimation point, not a question mark. As it stands, it looks like you're asking if we'll find her picture everywhere.
Carry On.
Look.......I hope they find this child........but at the end of the DAY we all KNOW its ........TRUE!
Good grief! How many more times do we have to see this BS regarding race here? It's not the 1950's anymore. In most cases, race is only an issue when the complainers decide to make it one these days. Anyway, based on the picture above, she actually looks like she may be at least partly Hispanic. If that is the case.... myth debunked. I truly think that some people will only be satisfied once we revert back to the way things were before the civil rights movement, only reversing the roles and having white persons being mistreated.
todday is telling the truth. Race is an issue- always has been and always will be. I'm tired of hearing about it myself. But, shame on the people who call it like it is and shame on the ignorant whites that live with rose tinted glasses on. If it doesn't affect you then you'd never believe it's there/happening. But, either way, white, black, orange or green, I hope this young woman is found safe and sound. No one deserves to be hurt like this.
Pretty silly that Im white and yet my great grandfather had 2 change our polish last name so he could get employment. Polish people were gunned down and killed in my city some years ago. Everyone has a little prejudice in them. Thats how its always been and always will be! Thats a whole different discussion!!! This case is probably drug related. Im sure the police have talked to everyone of her coworkers. The kidnapper probably just wants drug money or..... her husband owes someone some cash and the kidnapper went for the wife.
Let me guess: Those ATM machines and gas station out west don't have security or surveillance cameras, right? That might be a big help.
I would think all atm's have a camera. unless they are inside they should. No excuse not to have it there to keep people safe. after all it is a money machine.
My wife and daughter both carry guns. I pity the poor jerk that would try to kidnap either one of them.
We live in Arizona.......
I do too..
I live in California
You didn't have to state your state.......anyone would have known you are living in the wild, wild west state of Arizona! Along with all of the other idiots, bigots and criminals like Sheriff Joe and Governor Brewer! I am embarrassed to have to admit that I also live in AZ until I can make a getaway!
actually, betsy bitc...errr...blue, you assume too much about this person. He's an idiot, bigot, and a crimnal because his family protects itself? You truly are a warped minded bitch. Many, actually most, states have some sort of conceal/carry law and I hope you never have to regret not carrying a bit of protection for yourself. I'm guessing you have a fire extinguisher in your home, which means you obviously want your house to burn so you can jump in with the extinguisher and play the hero, just as the flames are about to consume your family members. Right?
Most of the time, the gun is used on the victim. So....are you still happy that they are toting?
@ijkl
Would you care to cite some evidence to back up your ridiculous claim that the victim's own gun is used against them most of the time?
@jim263056 -trust me u would not have time to grab that gun if I hit you in the head from behind with a blunt object.....Go watch nancy grace!
I carry too, but you have to get to it first. And you never know how the situation will unfold. If someone is quick enough to catch you from behind when you least expected, then good luck. There's no sure way to protect yourself 100%
True DD but I'd rather be carrying than not in any situation like that.
On that note to the person above, if my own weapon was my demise, so be it(I am sure it happens but I have never seen statistics---and I'm a liberal---so I think it is a fear tactic to scare people from guns). All of that is part of being prepared for an attack. Just buying a gun and carrying it will do nothing. Training, shooting regularly, etc...it is never 100% but it makes a huge difference. Criminals attack those who are unaware and less likely to fight back. Statistics does back that up.
In the military I was trained to be aware of my surroundings at all times. I'm not saying a perp couldn't get the draw on me but it would have to be his lucky day.
Exactly Bullet171. While I don't have the military training(props to you), awareness is part of every move I make. Sometimes I wonder why others are not the same but it is clear they are not when their kids are wondering off in a store where anyone could take them out of the store, etc.
Bullet, it is great that you have training. I too was a soldier. That has nothing to do with this though. Situational awareness is the key and training matters but not here. Let's not get into that at this point. This was a 21 yoa female who may have been out muscled, at gun point, at knife point or whatever. Let us pray she is found, alive and well and the perp gets violated by multiple diseased prisoners a million times and his death certificate reads he died from rectal trauma.
And they call me paranoid, but it's just awareness. I agree with Smash, sometimes there is nothing that can be done, but I know one thing for sure, it's better to die running away from an abduction than it is to go with them because once you are in their custody it's already 99% over.
Just my opinion, and that is what I would do, get shot or stabbed trying to get away that is.
Betsy need help packing? I'd be happy to get someone like you moved to a state like CA for example. Let's see a Governor that upholds the law and fights the fed's when they sue her because they won't uphold the law, and a Sheriff that also enforces the laws, and has a jail that houses inmates in the same type of tents our troops are living in overseas. I'm a proud Arizonian, and am not bias to the claims uneducated people are hearing about Brewer and Arpaio.
Sitting in the passenger seat while a man pumped a little gas. Wouldn't you think she might be screaming bloody murder or trying to escape while he pumped?
Secondly if i were a kidnapper i certainly wouldn't be at a gas station with my captive just sitting in the seat. I would more likely have her duct taped and gagged under a blanket inhte back seat or something. Been watching too many episodes of law and order i think,
Almost sounds like she may have a new beau.
To be continued
Or somebody in the back seat with a gun?
her gas tank may have been empty. He had to get gas. Maybe?
We don't pump our own gas in Oregon.
The stories are always changing in the news, details are never something you can count on. It does sound like foul play to me.
We'll probably never hear more about this.
again, this is in OREGON. NO SELF SERVICE HERE.
I would more likely have her duct taped and gagged under a blanket inhte back seat or something.Sounds like you're speaking from experience.......;-)