Some guy has made 10-12 abduction attemptsin northern NJ...he may have finally gotten a kid...makes me sick. Please parents, don't let your kids out alone at all. Better to keep them safe. So sorry for this girl and her family....saying prayers.

i wonder when the microchipping propaganda will start? and people will do it.

not sure about it for children but I am a senior and glad my Daughter & Son-in-Law and my Grandson have the ability on their computers to track my car and my cellphone....IF a chip was available I would sign up.

Its sick that so many little kids have gone missing recently. Hopefully she did not get abducted by a sicko like last time, but you never know in this world.

sunlite,dont ever get the chip.also,imagine the control over people that the gov will have.people can be falsely charged with crimes they didnt commit.saying their chip tracked someone to a murder or robbery.and how would you defend yourself? no one would beleive you.the chip is for control. not protection.

10 to 12 abduction attempts and they Haven't IDed the guy yet.... I don't know about you but I find that truely sick with-in its self....

It is my understanding that GPS gives a small area, not a specific location. I would imagine that even if GPS is capable of giving an exact location, it would be possible to create an app that slightly widens the located area. Maybe 1/2 a city block, for example.

It would be better than having no idea at all.

I like your screen name.

OH my GOD !!!! when parents are going to learn not to let children run arond by them selfs .....especially girls that age ? have you noticed that predators are looking for girls that specific age .......Just because you have a safe nest and good family environment ,the world outside your door steps is a mess .Please parents treasurer this precious children by keeping them safe constant eye supervision .I would not go to sleep before I know my child is even in school or in the house period .I forward an e-mail about Amanda Todd 's story to a family member that I know is going thru ruff times with a teenager ,and she got offended ,I know it's said to read about sad story but "HOW WE ARE GOING TO LEARN " People are ignorant they do not want to learn from others .If the child wants to ride the bike for GOD"S sake follow her or him with the car.how many times we have to mourn our precious children ....seeing this everyday .I'm sorry for being harsh but young parents do not want to hear this could happen to me . Please GOD help us with happy ending in this case .

Bambi: I agree. I don't have children but if I did they would probably be basket cases from me following them everywhere 2 feet behind.

It is not the parents fault! Come on people... just because there are some sick bastards out there you can't keep your kids locked up at home. Community vigilance and individual alertness are the answer!

I don't care about what other people think...I tell my girls that "you can only drown once", or "you can only be abducted once", or "you can only die once"....one time for such terrible things to happen and you cannot undo it once it happens. So, yeah, I am overprotective, but it only takes a moment for you to regret not being overprotective...and I don't want that type of regret EVER!

bambi@12,

We can blame the parents...but I miss the days when kids *were* able to roam beyond their backyards.

I grew up in the '70's, and I can remember walking to and from school. No, it wasn't "uphill, both ways", but it was at least two miles each way, and I did it alone, and safely.

These days it seems we can't let our little ones out of our sight.

My opinion: kidnapping a child should be a capital, Federal crime. If you turn yourself in and return the child safely, we take the Death Penalty off the table. Otherwise, kidnapping a child anywhere in this country is a death sentence if and when you're convicted.

I want to go back to a time when kids came and went without such a tight leash on, and without this pervasive fear of abduction. And the most severe of penalties--used consistently--may be the only way we can get there.

I have 5 kids, my youngest are 14 and 15 and i NEVER let them go anywhere alone, bike riding is a family affair, 7-11 for a bag of chips and icee with friends, we all jump into my car!!! no way no how will they walk or go alone...I can only imagine what this family is going through...My god be with this little girl and get her home safe...

Unfortunately we probably can't go back to those times. There are just too many of these idiots out there and our children are not safe even with the next door neighbor who is the one they have arrested in the last killing. I do think it is a very good idea to forward these stories to all of our contacts asap so maybe just maybe they can find her faster. Why is there so many of these poor children being abducted recently? I agree we need to have tougher laws against these guys. The death penalty is not harsch enough. Families who have to go through this have to be devastated and this shouldn't have to happen.

What age is your child old enough to learn independence? I am sure we would all like to shelter our children until they go to college, but then what will they know when we send them out the door? At age 12 I had a weekly babysitting job caring for other children. I pray that this girl will be found unharmed. But I would say this one definitely is not fault of the parents.

I think todays world is very different from when I was 12 years old. Parents have to be overly protective in todays world. I pray for this little girl and her family. I sincerely hope she is found safe and unharmed. I agree with Shartorius ideas.

We are all still trying to cope with 10 year old Jessica Ridgeway's senseless murder. There are clues but no arrest to date. Her murder was horrific. I hope and pray that this child is found ok and soon.

MovingOut,

With respect, no, I won't admit that.

In this age of dark, disgusting acts of brutality I can still believe in miracles. Right now that's all this family has.

I'mnot sure that it is any more dangerous now than it was 20, 40 or 60 years ago. What has changed is communication. The nation knows about what happened in New Jersey. Amber alert and articles like this drive it home. 24 hour media and people like Nancy Grace keep in our face 24-7.

I'm not saying that this is bad, but in the past, only the local people would know about it because kidnapping cases couldn't receive much air time during the 60 minutes of evening news. I have a daughter...and I'm scared to death for her. I also want her to grow up and gain some independence. How do you accomplish both? A 12 year old girl should be able ride a short distance to a friend's house. Period. It isn't the parents fault.

Max108 It's easy to say you can't keep your kids locked up, just because there are sick people out there, when you don't have kids. If it was your kid, that's one child too many, right? I would rather be overprotective than having my heart ripped out not knowing what hell my child may be enduring at the hands of a stranger. Most people take better care to watch their dogs than kids.

Times are different than when we were young. Kids just should not be alone anymore. And even that doesn't guarantee protection, as past cases have shown.

Shartorius, a miracle would be find the man who did this (statistically speaking it is usually males) and burning him alive in front of a national audience for his crime. That would be miraculous. These predators have no fear, and why should they? Our laws treat them better than their victims and over time they are even sympathized with because the dead can't speak for themselves.

Yes, we all want this girl to be found and returned but the statistics are against it. I wish they weren't but all the wishing I've ever held in my heart for these victims and their families never seems to change the problem.

Safety has to come first. even before happiness. There is no happy if your child isn't safe. No child is safe on the road. Way to convenient to be picked up to fast. Walking the road is not independence. It is dangerous. Give your child a ride. walk with them. Do NOT let some creep snatch them off the road. I am sorry it should not be like this but it is. So please Keep your children safe, keep them off the road.

It IS the parent's responsibility - we keep reading this same story over and over again, just with different children. I agree with Bambi, when are parents going to quit sending their children off by themselves - You don't have to keep your kids locked up - get on the bike and ride with them, they are defenseless unless there is an adult with them. None of these children would have been taken if a parent or adult had been with them. If you can't go with them, they don't go. I'm sure any parent of a missing child would be glad to make arrangements to take their child to school, wait with them at the bus stop, or walk/ride with them to a friend's house if they could just have their child back. I don't want to take the chance of relying on community vigilance or individual alertness - I will be the one to make sure my child is safe. We would never have to hear this story again if parents would protect their children - predators are watching and waiting for the right opportunity to take a child, and these parents are providing that opportunity for them. Don't think your children are any safer because there are no listed sex offenders in your area - many of them have never been caught and are not on any list, also, they have cars and can drive to any area to find their victims.

MovingOut,

I hear you. Usually in cases like this, the news never seems to end well...and the atrocities never seem to stop.

Maybe I'm being naïve, but I try to treat every tragic case as it comes. There's a time to hope and a time to grieve, and thankfully we're still at the hope stage with this disappearance.

I'm powerless to find this girl and give her back to her family, but I can still pray and make a wish...as silly and ineffectual as it may seem.

And to hell with the statistics.

@fortyfive - I raised 3 kids, they are all adults now. Granted, w live in a rural area in the Southeast but do not think there are no risks of all sorts here. There are always risks but as a parent your duty is to PREPARE your kids how to face them, not keep your kids locked up or constantly supervised until they are 18. And when they are 18 then what? Are they magically transformed into adults who can handle the outside world? Get real.

MAX^108 gave us a good answer about 20 posts back. Community awareness. Yes communities coming together pro-actively instead of after the fact. Have local town hall meetings about, make some noise, so that if you're doing something good you won't look like an abductor. Anymore if I see a child alone walking or in the mall, I watch that child (I don't approach) but just keeps my eyes on them until they are past me, then it is another community members turn to keep watch. That way should we see anything that might harm the child we can alert and help. Community coming together; what an original idea, yes unique and we're just too domn selfish or lazy to do it. Nike got it right JUST DO IT.

@MovingOut, it'll end when males quit doing these things to children and women. It'll end when parents of boys figure out how to get their sick son some help *before* he does these things to children and women.

Hey Max108,even some of the adaults,are not capable of handling the outside world either.Bottom line is laws need to get ALOT tougher,and put out there for all the azzholes how touch kids and azzholes who are thinking about touching kid.That you WILL be meeting there maker,if death occures under there hands PERIOD.And they will never see the sun again,if they do harm to any kids,period.

Moving out, you have a hec of a negative over view on life man. Is there any positive thinking there at all? No other possibilities cross your mind, like she ran off with a friend? You have already drawn out that complete scenario, and shut the case in your mind. I'm thinking you need a bit of therapy to find what makes you so negative. Society?

"She would have been home 11 o'clock this morning if she slept over a friend's house." Like you have no idea whether your child slept over at a friend's house or not?

Common Sense, I too stopped there and thought about it. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and think that he just misspoke and meant that differently. It sounds bad as if it was routine for her to just stay out and they wouldn't check where she was.

@WTF - I agree, but that is why we need to act a lot more like real communities, or a tribe, back when that term actually meant something, looking out for others and keeping an eye on any potential problems that affect us as a group. So that even when the so called justice system does not deliver real justice, you are prepared to handle the threats to your community.

Moving you are a sad, angry and bitter person. Don't put all your bitterness and hatred off on other people. I am nothing like you...and I am very, very happy about that.

The majority of child abductions are by a parent or by someone the family knows, very seldom by a stranger. I hope she was just angry with her parents and is safe at a friend's home. "We love her and we want her to come home." this last part is what makes me think she was angry when she left.

As for keeping under close watch, remember Elizabeth Smart? She was abducted from her bedroom (right under her parents' nose) by someone the family had known.

You people are psychos. The parents let the kid be a kid and go outside and play and they're responsible for her disappearance? How about, they gave their child the opportunity for some independence and responsibility by allowing her to grow as a regular child. What is wrong with that? The odds of something like this happening are 1:1,500,000. This poor child was the 1. You can't live in fear of something or inflict your own hangups on your kids with odds like that. I can see why kids are so neurotic, crazy and stupid, their parents are too and are here posting on Newsvine!

Here is something far more likely to happen to your family. The odds of dying in a car wreck are 1:6,539 every time you get in a car. To sum up, it is more vastly more dangerous, 229 times more, for your child to travel in a car than their chance of being kidnapped, or raped, or murdered. Do you inflict dogmas about the dangers of you driving them to wherever you take them? Why not? It's far more logical.

This is when the police and FBI needs to go door to door, and search the yards and homes.etc, immediately.
Someone close by has that girl in their home against her will.
I tell my daughter, who is in her twenties, not to ever walk alone, even if it is a short distance to wherever she goes.
Better to drive five minutes in a car than being followed by a creep.
There is always somebody watching in a populated area.
Just don't realize the creatures that live amongst us, just waiting for an opportunity.
They watch our routines, it's not difficult to calculate someone's habits.
Remember how we were taught "safety in numbers" when we were growing up?
Then we are distracted by our technology, that we don't pay attention to our whereabouts or surroundings.
We need to be aware.
Better to be safe than sorry.
Creeps make us lose our abilities to enjoy freedoms.
May the little girl's family and community find her soon.
People in her community need to really try to think what they saw that day, especially if it seemed odd.
Just hope for the Best for her.
Just hope and pray for her.

That's a good idea but what if the person that is abducting these children hasn't made the list yet because they haven't been caught yet?

That will only cause people to over react and attack anyone on that list, but will not solve this case.

I checked the sex offender list in my area and in one particular area there were so many listed. Not that I would ever think about moving to that area but there are some nice areas surrounding this pit. My next move, I will consult said list before I move. Ninety Five percent of the offenders were men . . . hmmmm. This war on women and children needs to stop.

@captain. yea so what's ur point? Don't look at list at all? Abigale didn't say the person was "definitely" on that list. But it's a start. A damn good one too. He the police don't have enough manpower to monitor all of these guys all the time. It's like terrorism. If you spot something unsual - report it.

I think the point is that everyone should be a suspect. How many times has a list been looked at only to find out that a family member, neighbor, or family friend committed the murder. I think that it is better to look at everyone than to look at one specific group. That's all.

Also, to those who think that it is much more dangerous than the past, I say no it's not. I think it is the same, just the method of finding out has gotten better than in the past.

OK POlice; I hope you are checking who was in Colorado recently and then came back to New Jersey! It could be this "pervertrator" has gone off the deep end. Lives may be at stake.

No excusing him whatsoever, but I dont think that there is help for pedophiles out there, at least until you commit a crime. There should be programs designed for them to get help without worrying about getting into trouble. Maybe it would help cut down on all these travesties.

Again, not making an excuse for him (or her) but we can do more as a society to help stop these crimes.

sorry! the only program needed is kill them.

the program is called castration.

I believe that pedophiles are hard-wired that way, just as straight people are hard-wired that way. Therefore, there is no 'rehabilitation' for them.

I hate it for them...I don't know what the answer is...

I just know that the crime of pedophilism and all that it entails is terrible and heinous, and somehow needs to be prevented.

I pray for this child to be found, safe and sound.

janellect has just summed up in just a few sentences proof that many men have a built in selfdestruct mechanism.... Its just too bad that these guy don't implode when they attempt something of this nature....

Above jennifer, new york writes about 10 to 12 abduction attempts in northern N.J. alone.... Ladies i'm truely sorry that these predators exist....

There is no rehabilitating these animals, that is how they are wired. So the big question is what do we do with them???? Castration? Murder? Life in prison? Abandon all of em on a distant island somewhere to fend for themselves and molest each other? Our tax dollars used to counsel this population of individuals is a waste of money and time. I know one thing, once a crime of rape, molestation is committed they should never see the light of day again because they always repeat the crime and often start murdering their victims. After awhile it isn't enough to just molest. I'am absolutely sick of crimes against children. I have really had it. If anything were to ever happen to a loved one I would probably murder that individual.

I've 3 kids, and I hope some day the law will change about these sick people, after doing child abuse they don't deserve to live. Poor girl, is not fair.

All of your guy's answers are exactly why we will keep having these things happen. Saying that there is no cure but murder, castration, etc will make it so that people who havent committed crimes will not seek help for what they know is wrong and will end up acting on their urges. Just as we help anyone with an addiction, I think providing some type of cousiling or something for people who havent committed crimes but think they might would help lower all these travesties. I know its not popular since everyone seems to just want to burn them all, but I would rather have my tax money going to help them before they harm a child, rather than on the clean up afterwards.

@mommiof1 I agree with you ,in order to get help they will have to be discovered,just like a drug addict ,they will not admit.... obviously only their own family can do that .Until the family is keeping them in the basement and feed them and pay for their Internet services, they will be around hurting children for ever. I would say the family's should pay as well as the perpetuated in case of a crime .In that case they will pay attention for their bad product and bring it to surface and the TREATMENT.....? CASTRATION I'm sure those parents know what they brought in this world, no need for this monsters to breed or have family's . I'm sick of this world and people still saying ...we do not need GOD !

Pedophiles are not "curable". My grandfather had this mental disease, one day he cornered me and said reach into my pocket of course i just recoiled away from him. He pulled out a candy bar he had gotten me and gave me this strange look, like I had the problem and I quote he said, why do you always act like I am going to do something to you" He is dead now, but to this day I honestly believe he didn't think he did anything wrong to me all those yrs I was growing up.And when news would come on of priest molesting a child he would get so upset calling the guy a sick pervert, it was almost fascinating how he totally must have brainwashed himself. He molested a cousin who told on him, yrs later when she was 40 she got brain cancer and my grandma blamed her accusation on that. Saying she must have had it even as a little girl and that's why she accused him, I mean I do believe my grandma really had no clue about the monster she was married to. They could try hormone therapy on these men so they can't obtain an erection but I think a lot of men don't even use the "parts" between their legs when they assault children. I think it's more of a mind turn on maybe? When I was older I went to therapy they gave me this 500 page mental test to see if I had any mental illness that may run in the family, I guess research shows ppl with bipolar or schizo often times have relatives that are pedophiles. So yes they are born that way. My grandfather had a good childhood from what I have heard except his mother miscarried like 8 times he was the only 1 to survive and I guess she suffocated him with attention and he was a huge mama's boy. So if these men tell themselves they are doing nothing wrong, they would have no reason to seek help. I'm sure there are millions of women out there that can relate to my story.

Mr Burns,

I have to disagree with you here. See these people are calling for castration and the death penalty because the programs you mention are already in place and they are not working. Any of these individuals can get help anytime they want, but you don't see them stepping up to the plate and seeking help. These type of individuals mostly don't want help. Most of these sick people seek the thrill of the event. It is unfortunate that the only prevention now is going to have to be through stiffer penalties. You need to know if you commit these acts that death is going to be your punishment. Only then will these people possibly seek solutions to their problems prior to acting on them.

Think about it, I agree with you to a point but the programs do exist but until someone is part of the system the cost of treatment would come out of their pockets and some of them can't afford it. Most of us couldn't afford psychiatric treatment without insurance. States all across the nation have cut funding for mental illness and while I personally think the only cure is a bullet once convicted, treating someone for a mental condition should be affordable before they commit a crime.

Excuse me, but where is the outcry about pornography here? A person watches a porno movie, (perhaps while on drugs or drunk) then goes out to fulfill the same fantasy the person just watched. Since a child is easier to abduct than an adult woman, they go for the child. It might not even be a person who is attracted to children.

In a few posts captain is going to say castration. I don't think that works. Would like to hear from someone that does know. A medical professional maybe.

@Lou777 oh please! I have watched Mission Impossible and haven't broken into any banks. I have watch Saving private Ryan and haven't joined a war. I have watched Mississippi Burning and to kill a mockingbird and haven't killed any white people. I think your argument has no merrit.

Child molesters, of all types, have the highest re-offense rate of all criminal types. Current FBI statistics put the re-offense rate at 96%. Clearly rehabilitation is not working for these animals. Dead offenders will never be repeat offenders. Due to the damage they cause and their incorrigible nature, wasting time on rehabilitation attempts only puts other children at risk. There are those who are beyond curing or fixing. Some lives are not worth saving, especially if that life is an adherent risk to innocent children. Perhaps I'm being too harsh? So be it. I would rather err on the side of protecting children who have done nothing to deserve the attention of a pervert.

Captain;

With the name Slap-A-Hoe are you advocating beating women? Statistics show abusers of women are more often than not prone to abusing children as well. Look it up, the FBI keeps very detailed records and profiles. Child molesters and pornography of all types are nearly synonymous. So don't be so quick to discount a connection that FBI profilers made years ago. Perhaps you're screen name is just tasteless, or perhaps you poke fun at the Arapaho or Navajo perhaps, if so it's a bit insensitive, don't you think? Considering how bent out of shape you people get over disparaging remarks. Either way, Some of us find screen names telling. And by the way I'm Cheyenne, any cute letter arrangements for me?

@Bullet171 - It is already proven that castration doesn't work. Pedophilia is like adult rape in that it's mostly about control, and castration takes away some sexual urges and the ability to have an erection (in some cases)...It does not change the deisre of the rapist to commit abuse against their victim.

I wish people would stop blaming the parents for letting a 12 yr old ride a bicycle. and don't blame it on the girl, for her beauty either. It is the fault of the criminal entirely. Also, boys get abducted and abused too.

Nicodemus1946,

You do realize that many men who abuse children were abused themselves at children right? Should we just kill every boy ever molested? This is about professional mental help, not the correctional fascility and registering. Again, you are part of the problem of why we seem powerless against them. Keep telling someone he (or she sometimes) is a monster, even if they have never broken a law, and they are going to believe it and act on it, because f it, society hates them anyways.

Again, I would rather focus on prevention and stopping the problem at the source rather than getting all high and mighty and wanting revenge after another child is raped and killed.

But go ahead and continue in your rage of ignorance.

Why no damnation of god for not protecting the child?

Only GLORY if found safe? That's a win win situation.

Blame it on Adam and Eve, and the damn apple... not God!

@ Wilie Bustit

Although Gynnie's post is vague. I do not see where he/she required you to believe in God. Some of us pray, and some of us don't. It is not necessary for you to attack someone for their beliefs, nor should anyone attack you for yours. How about everyone do what it is that they do and hope for the best outcome. Thank you.

Someone offers prayers for a helpless child, and the atheist trolls come out to say there is no God. Not the time to show how cool and "free thinking" you are.

Amen..... To the prayer..... Thank you for saying the prayer..God Bless this Family and God Bless Gynnie for posting it....

Only a FOOL would say that there is NO GOD! How did you get here on this earth? BIG BOOM THEORY? Even evolution has to have come from SOMEWHERE!!! Just because God does not come down and strike everyone dead that does not behave like they should does not mean he does not exist..We live in a world where both EVIL and GOOD exist and until that appointed time comes we will have to be in this world with the WICKED and the JUST. The True Believer knows that God causes it to rain on the JUST and the UNJUST. Even the twelve appostles met with violent deaths and God did not spare them, so why would he spare anyone else? Unless it is in his will for you to live until you are 100 or so than be prepared to leave this world one way or another...Your days are NUMBERED and I would imagine if you do something stupid like talk to strangers, those days will be shortened. Our journey down here for the most part is about the JOURNEY..What did you do with your life when you had to opportunity to live it. Death is the final stage of GROWTH both physical and spiritual..So don't waste the time you have been given and don't take it for granite. When I was around 9 years old we lived in California and my parents would let me walk to the grocery store (I believe the name of the store was Pigley Wigley) and I had to cross a 4 lane highway to get to it. When I was walking back from the store a man tried to run me down with his car, but luckily I got off the street unto the sidewalk just in the nick of time. He stopped and motioned for me to come to his car he said he had something he wanted to show me..Like the stupid kid I was, I was curious and walked up to his car on the passenger side where the window was rolled down and he kept saying see..see. see. And I finally saw that he was trying to expose himself to me and with shock and horror I began to run back home..I never told my parents because I was not suppose to be talking to STRANGERS>> I could have been dead today, but it was not my time to leave this world. No matter how many times you tell your kid not to talk with strangers, there will always be that one person who has an angle to get you to forget that they are a stranger..In my case I was too stupid to see that the Guy was trying to kill me with his car..I thought it was just some kind of accident that his car was aimed at me and was not stopping..Kids are too innocent to understand about the WICKED forces in this world that rule those who allow it to rule them..Your mind is where it all begins..I'd rather fill my mind with the things of GOD/Bible than fill it with all the crap that Hollywood and the Media have tried to instill in us..It is my choice to BELIEVE and I BELIEVE!

thank you Gynnie! Yes all of us who pray will pray. To Wilie Bustit & other demonically inspired dross, in the words of an old led zeppelin tune, "...your time is gonna come..." If we didn't have free will, we would all be just glorified automatons. You WILL meet the "sky fairy" face to face one of these days, hopefully you'll have changed your position by then - if not you will be meeting all the pervs, & others like yourself, when you "go where the goblins go, below, below, below, yo ho!"

Lord, please don't let this little girl suffer @ the hands of an evil bastard! If she has been taken, help her to be found alive. Inspire someone with wisdom & knowledge to find her & stop the evil one who took her. Thank you.

"Take it for granite" - does this have something to do with geology?

Amen.

Just another couple of liberal trolls who think they are smarter than others but are really just a couple of Aholes whose religious beliefs has no business being on this article.

In reality men do things to other men, god has nothing to do with it....

To Wilie Bustit: No one cares that you don't believe in God. Your credibility is reflected in your username.

@Wilie Praying that you will soon come to know God and His love for us.

Aside from that..

Father, I pray that this young girl is found safe and returned home to her family. If she is afraid, lost, hurt, etc let her know that you are near to comfort her and those close to her as well.

I pray that those who are committing these horrible acts find that there is forgiveness in You and that you may heal their conflicted or foul souls.

It is sad to see that adults are allowed to abuse children and still be on the streets. It is time we began to protect our children. I am very sorry to hear about this little girl missing and she will be in my prayers, but are Caucasians children the only ones that go missing? How is it decided which children will be advertised and and which ones won't? Are not all the children equal? This is America should they not all be treated the same?

Wilie Bustit - Prove to me there is not a God. Where did you come from? Where did the moon, stars and planets come from? Please don't say - evolution. I pray to God and you should be praying to, that this little 12 year old girl in found safe and sound. God graced me with 4 grand-children and one is a 10 year old Grand-daughter and when she is outside, I sit on my front porch and watch over her. Parents and grand-parents should always be alert to what is going on around their area.

Amen AB Love.

For all you non-believers who feel a NEED to insult those of us who believe, WHAT are you afraid of? Why do you feel a compulsion to attack those whose beliefs are different from yours?

Personally, I feel sorry for the lot of you.

Heavenly Father, keep this child safe. Let her come home to her family and loved ones. In Jesus Christ we pray.

Wilie: Please continue your athiest beliefs. More room in heaven for us and "no" waiting in line.

Kathy 5.9

I'm more a marble man myself.

Wilie Bustit get off your parents computer and stop being a simpleton. if you are of age then im praying for you . if you believe there's no god then your surely a lost soul that needs help as well

Wilie Bustit - Prove to me there is not a God. Where did you come from? Where did the moon, stars and planets come from? Please don't say - evolution. I pray to God and you should be praying to, that this little 12 year old girl in found safe and sound. God graced me with 4 grand-children and one is a 10 year old Grand-daughter and when she is outside, I sit on my front porch and watch over her. Parents and grand-parents should always be alert to what is going on around their area.

Prove to us that there is a god then. It works both ways. You CAN'T prove he exists. Any don't voice your assumptions that he must be real because something had to have created the earth, moon, and stars. Those are just assumptions. Assumptions that you can't prove. I also don't want to hear that you know he's real because you can see him and feel him everywhere. That's just another coverup and false justification. Give us actual, tangible proof that he exists....not just your personal feelings and assumptions.

Wilie Bustit get off your parents computer and stop being a simpleton. if you are of age then im praying for you . if you believe there's no god then your surely a lost soul that needs help as well.

Why does everyone that does believe in god assume everyone that doesn't is a simplistic lost soul? I mean really. I am an adult by the way, and I have been atheist for years. I am in no way, shape, or form lost. I know who I am, and I know what I believe. I have a loving family, well mannered children, a college education, a good job, etc. So tell me what about someone like me seems lost and simplistic? Some of you need to face the fact that not everyone believes in god and that doesn't mean they are lesser people than you. You will never convince me he exists just like I will never convince you he doesn't. All the insults in the world aren't going to change that, and you "good Christians" seem to dish out insults in droves. You can pray all you want for me and tell me that you hope I find him some day, but those words are for you, not me. Some of you need to step off your pedestals and quit thinking that just because you believe in god that you are better than anyone who doesn't because, honestly, all you are doing is pushing those that don't believe further away. Your attitudes are going to convince anyone of anything. BTW I agree with what Wilie said even though I would have voiced it in more civil terms. If people learned to have more faith in themselves, rather than looking to someone that isn't there for faith and acceptance, maybe we would be better off. It's never "in god's hands." It's in OUR hands. Find faith and strength within yourself.

Spellchecker excellent post on tolerance.

The main reason atheists attack someone who beseeches god is because it angers us that if there is a god why would he sit idly by and do nothing. If a person watched someone kidnap or hurt a child and sat there doing nothing they would be heaped with scorn and rightfully so. If you are a believer why would you think men should do more than god? There is no excuse for this, I hope that child is found safe, pray if you must but search and like the terrible murder in Colorado, someone knows something, talk to the police.

What we are seeing is a disease called "contagion." People who crave attention, their "five minutes of fame" are doing these things in greater number because of the publicity and the comments. It's contagious and will keep spreading if the media continues to cover these stories and people continue to comment.

My prayers are with her and her family and friends.

My kids are 23, 19, and 15; when they go somewhere I give them enough time to get there then I call or text them to make sure that they arrived safely. They know if they do not answer then I am going to be on them like a dog on a bone. I know my 23 and 19 year olds are basically adults but they still live at home and I worry about them, especially my daughter who is 19. Maybe some will think this is over the top and over protective but you can't be too careful.

in our family it is tradition that when you arrive at destination you call or text to say 'arrived safely' also when you are leaving you call or text ahead.... side benifit is no calls while you are driving, because it is a pain to get off on the next freeway exit to return a call ..... and it is about a kitten doing something cute.

I hope they find their Daughter soon ...and she is OK......really worried for them

I do the exact same thing with my 20 yr old. It's a shame, since we did not grow up like this, but I would rather be safe than sorry.

I do the same thing with my 17 year old. He hates it but does understand why. My 11 year old only plays in our yard and never goes (walking or bcycling) to another child's home. He is taken by me or my husband and the parents are told that he is not to wonder from their property (and he knows this too).

It is really ashame that we live in this kind of society. I remember riding bikes, roaming the neighborhood and not coming home till dinner time............when my dad would whistle (very distinctive) and we knew we had but a few minutes to be home to eat.

I'm an adult and my mom still checks in on me if she knows that I'm traveling. I don't mind though, because I know it makes her feel better when she finds out I'm just fine.

@skr-842443 That is being very proactive but I think you could do more. Instead of texting them you should call them. If someone has gotten your child then they also have their cell phone. they could type "I'm here and safe" and you wouldn't know that it wasn't them that typed the text but if you spoke directly to them you could verify the voice as being that of your child.

I had to not only tell my parents where I was going, but call when I got there AND be back by a certain time or they would worry sick about me! Yeah, they were a bit overprotective. I look back now and I am grateful they were like that! Rather care too much than not at all or not enough! This is horrible! What is it with these sickos out there? And the chances of the little girl possibly being not found alive, I hate to say that, but more often than not, that is how they end up! And why is it usually men who do this?? I was just curious!

why why why with last week jessica ridgeways dismembered body found in colorado would any parent send their child out on foot or bike alone in the world? what is wrong with you people. and you want to say that its not the parents fault that the child is missing? stop being laxy, drive your kid to her friends house, walk your kid to school, hire a sitter in college to do it if you dont have time because your working. i work in the field of child protection, i do workshops on serial perpetrators for law enforecment and cps workers. do you not get that predetors are oppurtunists, they sometimes work in pairs, your kid on a bike or foot doesnt stand a chance. they will grab that child faster than the child can even scream. if grown women and college students can be snatched while running or riding a bike [two prominant cases this past year] why would you think telling a 12 year old to run is even sane? i work on the front lines of educating people about predetors and if you want to complain about how its a shame kids cant run around like you used to when you were a kid, thank our judicial system for pouring out thoudands of sex offenders of children every day in furlough or probation programs. predetors dont change, they just find new ways and new spots to collect children..children that would NEVER be abducted if their parent was with them. im a parent and i would never allow my 10 year old daughter to stay alone overnight while i worked as in the ridgeway case. i would never allow my ten year old daughter to walk to school. i would never allow my 12 year old daughter to take off anywhere on a bike. these parents turned their children into oppurtunities for predetors. think your hood is safe and want to gripe about hwo this is isolated? type your home address into your sheriff website and check out how many registered sex offenders of children are living within a mile or two of you. they have cars, yeah? they can drive. they live in parents basements, hide behind church groups, they dont draw attention to themselves. and for every one on that list there are at least three more too savey to ever have been caught. a little girl was dismembered in colorado last week and they have NO one in custody. that guy could be in nj and your just going to let your kid go out alone like nothing ever happened. whats the solution: be a common sense parent, know that predetors are everywhere and every time you send your child out alone you make them an oppurtunity for a predetor. and if you dont beleive me, let me put you in touch with the families ive worked with who have had their child abducted or murdered by a sexual predetor. they used to feel just like you. and they would give anything to go back in time to the day they lost their child. its a bitch to see your child in the morgue. and dont think they go thru one day without nightmares or horrible guilt for how they let their child be grabbed by a monster.

Dlux, I agree. And this statement stood out to me as well:

"She would have been home 11 o'clock this morning if she slept over a friend's house."

I don't mean to make a big deal about it, I know they are upset and may have meant it differently, but my first thought was that it was routine that this girl leave home and wind up staying over a friends house without notifying her parents. As long as she was back by 11 am the next day. Again, it could be that its not like it sounds.

scott while I understand what you do, would you not agree that it is a problem that law enforcement/media focuses on strangers or predators (I am not saying that predators are all innocent and have never done anything) but wouldn't you also teach that it could be anyone? I would feel better if everyone is considered a suspect when a child is abducted? Is it not a fact that a majority of the perps know their victim as opposed to being a stranger or someone on a list? That is what bothers me the most because look at the case of the 21 yo Starbucks barista who was kille by the neighbor. I have not heard if he was on a list, but if he wasn't doesn't that blow the stranger danger out the window. Sandra Cantu is an even better example, she was killed by her best friend's mom and yet they were screaming that a man did it as well as someone on the list, when it was a woman who did that. I believe that crime is an equal opportunity thing and that anyone, male or female, child or adult is capable of it. It is a sad but true fact of life.

By the way, I am not saying be paranoid, I am saying be aware of everybody and everything.

why do people blame God for not protecting these kids or all the other evils perpetrated in this world ? when clearly it is the work of satan or have they forgotten thats the source behind all of the worlds evil...and satans influence is reigning over a larger and larger group of humans in these turbulent times

skr, it's not over-protective and I think even spouses should do that, things have gotten this bad. Call me senator shmoe, If you are a believer then according to you god created everything.... including satan.. Why would he do that? He wouldn't, all great books have a villain. Created by man.

F Walsh...if you took the time to read some Bible ....satan was an angel an almost perfect one that was banished from heaven because he thought he was bigger than God....sort of like human arrogance...and is just really pissed off about being evicted and is trying to influence souls away from God and the truth and to his evil ways...., its not always thru violence or negative behaviors it can also be subtler by disbelief & doubt ...I don't know about you ? but I'll believe and try to live as righteous a life as I possibly can , hey if I'm wrong no big loss and I'll just be part of the soil like everyone else before and after me but if I'm right I will achieve imortality in heaven..life is nothing but a huge final exam and I want to at least have a passing grade in the end..think about that a little ?

So you want to implant a GPS transponder in every child? We can and should teach kids all the potential risks and how to handle them, even practice with them so they have physically acted out scenarios(make the correct action to a situation second nature). Put them in a self defence classes(karate, krav maga), not just one class, but years of classes. Have them check in when they reach their destination.

If we don't give them some freedom and responsibility they will never grow up. I was grabbed by a drunk on the street walking home, I was about 11 or 12, don't remember exactly, I knew what to do and did it, broke free and ran like hell, didn't even open the gate, went right over. We got the guy, a family friend who was a world class body builder was at the house I was walking from and the guy got the living crap beat out of him, he was shivering in fear before being taken away.

Key here was I knew what to do, I learned it in my formative years, it is now instinct and it has served me well.

I hope they find her safe and sound.

As every kid probably has a cellphone and almost all are capable of gps tracking as an option, that's already a possibility.

it starts with animals. chip them,get you used to the idea. then alot of stories of missing kids or old people.then people will think chipping them is a great idea.then stories of mass identity theft or some other personal fear tactic.then chip everyone.a chip is capable of more than just tracking you.dont be fooled, chipping the population is in the not to distant future.resist!

I never suggested chipping. I suggested tracking. You can put tracking devices in many items that children have and as has been mentioned, you can track by cellphone and even to a certain degree a Wifi enabled Ipod or other device.

It should be noted that I suggested tracking on top of other measures. Tracking is only one part.

Also, to the people who get nutty over the idea of implanted chips tracking their every move. It is a valid concern, but these devices are easily shield-able by extremely cheap materials. I could modify a shirt or pants with less then $5 worth of material that would prevent the chip from sending or receiving any signals at all.

The point is, a more comprehensive strategy and system needs to be laid out at the community level to help prevent the lose of children.

You can teach all the right moves all you want..reality can be totally different! You do not know how someone will react once they are in fear. Especially a child. Just like you can not watch your children 24/7 but I can sure as hell try! If I ever had a chance to put some kind of tracking chip in my children I would do it in a heart beat! When a predator decides they want something they find a way to take it! How many grieving families would have done anything to have that kind of a system for a lost loved one...?? I pray this little girl returns home safe...

The article states the last ping location of her c-phone. Also says it is now off, or out of power. Anything that a child can carry or have on their person can be taken away.

While I agree with most of the statements that are anti-chip, I do think that it would be better than the usual outcome to this type of situation. It would have to be regulated, and the chip would have to be removed at adulthood.

I'm pretty sure that Jessica Ridgeway being just 10 years old probably could have done little to nothing in getting away from an abductor.... I'm sure she screamed kicked and did all she could. There are things that happen in odd places.... Maybe we don't need to chip the kids and worry about chipping the sex offenders. And have them checked weekly, this would aid in the telling if a non offender is committing these crimes. But it will only work if they tell where these offenders are 24/7 and 365.

basch, theyre already creating a generation ripe for chipping.there are schools forcing kids to have a rfid card on them at all times.if you refuse, they wont let you attend that school.plus armed guards, cctv cameras,metal detectors etc. thats how they are growing up.theyll be chomping at the bit to get chipped and rally against those that refuse.this is the agenda.and its going according to plan.fear is the tool and its working brilliantly.

My son has autism and he wanders so I had to get a radio signal tracking bracelet which he wears on his ankle 24/7. Another idea would to be create kids sneakers, backpacks or jewelry with GPS chips embedded or a clipon device that hooks on to a backpack or beltloop. This could allow police to locate them sooner.

I was thinking the same thing. Why can't they create something that a child could wear hidden to detect their wherabouts. Doesn't have to come to the chip thing. A company could make a fortune. As an adult, I would also get one too (whatever that one item is). Then, if someone comes up missing track them down with all the satellite (GPS) technology out there.

The only thing that could not be taken away and discarded would be an implant and even that can be cut out. know your neighbours and neighbourhood, teach your kids without scaring them and practice(make it seem like play) and do it over and over again so if something happens their reaction is instinctive. They have to grow up and be able to handle themselves in the world. What age you allow what freedoms to be earned depends upon each individual child's maturity, and surroundings.

@ yankeegirl1

Your situation is different, for your situation you are doing the right thing, like I said. What age you allow what freedoms to be earned depends upon each individual child's maturity, and surroundings.

Although my situation is different with my son, if we didn't have a way of tracking him the result could be just as tragic. I think as parents we need to do whatever we have to keep our kid safe in this day and age. I think if a GPS chip were discretely embedded on clothes, backpack or in a child's shoes that may provide some peace of mind and save time in locating a missing child.

Once it became common knowledge that such things exist, which would take one news broadcast, perpetrators would just discard all clothing backpacks etc asap rendering them as nothing other than a potential clue of the direction they are heading. A simple change in direction would nullify the help. It may leave DNA evidence but that takes time to process and would only be helpful at trial. This may however create a false sense of security(kind of like a gated community), which may cause people to lower their guard and be more susceptible to danger.

The embedding of chips in cloths, sneakers and other places is an excellent idea and one of many things that could be done. If you think of the tracking as just 1 part of the solution though, it becomes easier to get around the idea that the tracking device can simply be taken away.

Say you sign the child up for a tracking service run by the local police. The kid has a tracker and that tracker reports a position. You could have the tracker also be able to determine if it is actually connected to the person, such as say pulse monitoring or sensing its orientation. Ipods and many smart phones have these 2 technologies already built in. So, if you where to put a tracker in a shoe, and that shoe was taken off and tossed to its side and sensing no pressure from the shoe, you could have it send an alert.

In the end, this will always be a muti pronged thing. Kids eduction about abduction, parents having instant access to information like attempted abductions,police initiatives that keep an eye on certain critical areas of a city or county, school security and tuff penalties for people who do harm to children. All of this and more would be needed.

-JRfromDallas-

Thank you for your meaningfull words. That's a very powerfull childhood memory. Please share it with young ones in your life as a good warning. It may save precious lives.

Shoes with GPS in the heels are already being sold. GPSShoe.com

its in the pets and embedded in cars too. You're next.

I should point out that we dont know that she has been killed. For all anyone knows, she fell into a small sinkhole and is just not able to effectively call for help.

Yeah, Yeah, I know, it sounds like wishful thinking, but we still do not know she is dead, let alone that she was killed.

Gee John, racist are you? Take that crap and shove it. This is a stoy about a missing girl. Try being part of the solution and not part of the problem.

I am being realistic. Why do they always look at the parents first and in many cases it is the parents.

I think there is a lack of boys gaining national news of all races. It's like a boy never disappears or something.

hater, thanks for reminding me that Blacks are the most racist people in America. Take the chip off your shoulder.

I hardly ever (cant recall one) see any articles about missing children who are not white. In fact before I even opened this article I said one hundred dollars its a white girl and right on, we can only pretend for so long. Its sad none the less, hopefully she is safe and is found soon.

IXLR8 you are the racist. There is NOTHING wrong with being upset that missing minorities and boys in general don't get the same press as girls that fit the profile of this young girl. I would imagine it would be especially upsetting to minority parents of missing kids. Do you have any idea how many black and Latino children are missing, and the MSM could give a crap? Of course you don't know because A) the press usually doesn't cover them, and B) you don't care. This is not to say that this girl shouldn't get coverage, it's to say that ALL kids missing under suspicious circumstances deserve national coverage. It think it's quite pathetic to click on a link to a missing child article and already have a good idea what the child is going to look like because otherwise, there probably wouldn't have been an article in the first place.

Another racist POS heard from.

This article is giving you the insight to what has been going on lately. If you pay attention it is a dangerous world and this little girl is the same age and resembles the recent murder and mutilation of a child two weeks ago from Colorado. It has nothing to do with race and the fact of other missing children.

If everytime you open up an article and you see that it is always the same description or profile of the missing person. If I didn't know any better the minorities kids never came up missing. Well, we seen this movie about 1,000 times and we still go to the theater to look at the same movie. Who's fault is that I asked? Do you create a theater for yourself in order to play the movie you like. Or do you continue to go to the same theater and complain about the movie? The time we spent complaining about the movie we could have built an theather that encompass ALL missing CHILDREN.

In today's society the truth EQUAL being RACIST. Sad......but these are the times.

facisthater - just another troll aren't you. Bet you and the "where was God" trolls spend a horrendous amount of time searching for articles like this to spew your hatred. Neither of you can ever think up something new to say. You are the sorry SOBS.

Sounds to me like one of you may have taken this child!

The color card disgusts me.

Look up Asha Degree. North Carolina. It's been over 10 years. She's STILL in the news.

Perhaps it's because more little white girls get taken. Seems to me, it's usually a white guy perp, anyway. So, how does color figure into it....?

@Justme You won't even attempt to ascertain if his statement has any credibility what-so-ever. You refuse to see what's right in front of your face. You would rather call someone a racist because they can see. Now I don't really blame you for not being able to see it because you were taught not to see it. Furthermore if it doesn't affect you directly you might not see it as well. Believe me I am NOT racist. I was married to a Caucasian woman and have 2 beautiful sons from the union. My wife at the time couldn't see it either. She kept insisting that I was just blowing smoke. As the years past she began to notice the things that she didn't before. To put it in easier terms .. Just because you don't see the wind does that mean it's not there. You might learn a lot just by listening and then try to see for yourself if it is true or not before you begin calling names. Now! all BS aside this little girl needs to be found. Black, White or other.

They should use a blowtorch on Child Molesters / Murderers. Lots of self sealed little pieces in the public square for those with the same thoughts.

Don't be such a jerk wry

wry is a complete idiot and has no children so can make snide rude sarcastic comments what an @!$%#

I have two kids and agree with wry. Inform your kids. Teach them to be aware of thier surroundings. Don't teach them to live in fear. That is no way to live life.

Some of this "I follow my 23 year old everywhere and I home school my kids so they won't be exposed to any bad thoughts, etc" is just ridiculous. These poor shielded kids are the easy targets for predators and scammers of all kinds because they have no idea how to think for themselves.

wry-- The child is safe inside the home. Stop being a smart @##! Every one can and should keep their child off the road. It's like putting a flag on them to be picked up. Age doesn't matter. It's not safe to be on the side of a road. If you are not kidnapped you could be hit. Wake up it is the world you are living in to day. do not let your child pay the price of your ignorance. Maybe we need to make it a law for the ones who refuse to keep children off the road. I would think stories like this would be enough to teach parents.

me too

It's not like her," said the girl's father, Tony Pasquale. "She would have been home 11 o'clock this morning if she slept over a friend's house."

I am confused. When she left home, were there plans for her to spend the night? If there were plans for her to spend the night, it seems her friend would have called to see if she was coming or not.

It appears to have some vital information missing here. When was she noted missing?

I hope no harm has come to her. But, often these stories don't end well.

Another family, hoping for the best, and perhaps preparing for the worst.

Tgurl I have to agree, that one kind of grabbed my attention. The child don't need to tell the parents if they are spending the night with a friend?

if my 12 year old daughter (yes I have one) is headed to a friends house on her bike the parents of the friend would be waiting. if she didn't arrive they would call me, this is very confusing to me. my 12 year would also be expected to call me when she got to the friends house (or at least a text). i can't imagine not knowing she was missing for 9 hours

You can't trust these articles. VERY RARELY are the facts reported as they should be. Be careful what you believe, reporters don't have the same integrity they did many years ago. @!$%#, most of them can't even spell and use proper grammer.

I think he is just saying he knows something is wrong. she is always home by 11 when she stays with a friend. So even if she went to someone else house with out permission( Im sure he was hoping) she would have been home by 11.

Skr, I think you mean "grammar".

And, yeah, spelling and grammar is tough for some people.

Same. I stopped myself from commenting on it trying not to make a big deal in this situation over a comment, but that is odd. Its as if it's routine that the girl leave home and not show up again till 11 am.

Yes, that comment struck me as totally off. If the girl left home early Saturday and it appears they didnt notice her missing until the next day? So, if that's true, her parents didn't communicate about a sleep-over with the friend's parents? Didn't drive her to her friends house with her cloths, etc? If that's true then that's truly bad parenting for sure, sorry. It's possible this girl has met up with an internet predator. Someone she met online portraying themselves as a young boy, turn out to be a old pervert. It happens. It's terrible awful she is missing. The parents will regret their parenting forever. What a shame.

agree

I have never personally known anyone that lets a 12 year old simply make the choice to sleep over without informing their parents, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that such things happen all the time.

Still, it is an odd statement.

Oh, and yes, I just noticed the time discrepancy there. Maybe some confusion with all that is going on? Maybe something darker?

I was shocked when my daughter was in early high school. I was checking with two girls at our house still there at about 9:00 P.M. asking if they had called their parents to say where they were. They wanted to spend the night. I told them that was fine, but call their parents to let them know. They told me their parents would be mad if they called them and bothered them! I was amazed! They spent the night and no one ever called to check on them or anything. They were 15 and 16 years old!

If my daughter was out and didn't call me, I would be calling everyone I knew and run around to all their houses if I had to. This was before cell phones, but my daughter had to check in all the time. Where was she? What was she doing? She had to have permission to spend the night, etc., etc. 12 years old? Are you kidding me? She had to call when she got there and if she didn't call, I called! She also had to call me when she was on her way home. If I let her stay late, I would pick her up and bicycle. No way would she be coming home on a bike when it was dark.

What is wrong with parents?

When my daughter was the age of this girl I was considered "over protective" by most of her friends parents. My daughter was embarassed but I didn't apologize for my precautions. When she left the house alone to visit a friend no matter how close by they lived I gave her instructions to follow a set route there and never to deviate from that route. I would talk to her on her cell phone until she was safe inside the home of the family she was visiting. I had to hear the voices of her friend and a parent before she'd be allowed to hang up. Before she left to come home she had to call me and stay on the phone with me all the way home. Whenever I had a car available I'd drive her myself to her friends. It does sound like I was paranoid. But if you've ever lost track of your child even for a few hours you know exactly why I did this. It happened to us once and never ever again. I know what these people are going through and it is the worst thing a parent can go through. When my daughter was missing those few hours she was 11 yrs old and my husband and I died inside over and over again until she was safe in our arms again. I pray for the parents of this girl and for the girl. But also for the person who may have her. I pray he will suffer a heart attack or something else like it before he can harm her or that he slips up big time and she gets away.

On the news here, they stated that she had been in contact through her cell phone in the earlier afternoon. They knew that she didn't reach her friend's house earlier. They contacted the police at 9 pm. They were also thinking about other less horrible options like a miscommunication and that she went to a sleep over at a friend's house. They were hoping that was it (even after they contacted the police), but that explaination was excluded when she didn't come home the next morning.

I don't know how long I would wait before I contacted the police, but I do know that I'd call and contact as many of her friends as possible to see if there were a "good reason" for her not to be where I thought she would be.

I don't know why everyone assumes that all of the detailes are in these reports or why they need to see something up with the parents.

AllPeopleRights - Perhaps, the girls were supposed to call home to get permission. Perhaps, they didn't want to call home because their parents would say NO. Perhaps, their parents didn't know who to call or your phone number.

Perhaps, it wasn't bad parenting on the others parents' part (excluding not knowing where and how to contact you). Perhaps, you not requiring them to call left both parents scared all night. Perhaps, they called the police and they said they were likely to come home the next morning.

most likely more black on white crime

There is a nutter shooting at cars here in Michigan (16 bullets so far). Nice world we live in.