Anyone who would advocate public executions is potentially just as dangerous, in my opinion, as the person that they want to see hanging from a noose in the public square. This is the United States of America, not Afghanistan.

Liberal College Girl, Im assuming you dont have kids so Its hard for you comprehend the feelings you can have against these monsters.

But maybe if we had stricter laws for the criminals who kill children, like Afghanistan has then we would not have so many of these sick child predators taking our children...

Make sure the only eyes on your children are yours....

Liberal College Girl:

Anyone who would advocate public executions is potentially just as dangerous, in my opinion, as the person that they want to see hanging from a noose in the public square. This is the United States of America, not Afghanistan.

Remember that statement if one of these sickos takes out your little sister! It's okay for them to kill little children, but we shouldn't kill them back. Oh my! Let's let them out in 5-10 after we feed, clothe and entertain them for a while, just so they can find another little girl to kill!

Do you REALLY think these psychos are acting like "Americans"?
You think that anyone who wants to see them die in public is as bad as the perpetrator? Well, I think anyone that wants to PROTECT these criminals could be just one of them in disguise!
As gross as it sounds, there were far less criminal acts in the days that public executions took place.

And just what do you think that little girl, who was not yet through playing with dolls, went through in her final hours. To me, THAT is inexcusable.

I was really hoping for the best for this little girl and others who have gone missing. I agree with Hello. Find these monsters and send them to the next life asap and make it public as a warning to others.

You truly are a liberal college girl. Don't worry - one day you'll realize it isn't all black and white, and that peace and love won't solve everything. Sometimes people just need to die. Individuals that abduct and kill children are not people that need "curing" or "help". They need death. Plain and simple.

I can't believe that parents let their kids go anywhere alone these days. It seems there are sickos behind every bush and tree.

I agree with Hello! the sick bastard that did this should be hanged in public to set an example for others. Hell, maybe the person should be drawn and quartered. Then people might think twice about what they do.

@LCG,

Young lady, it's understandable, if your moniker is a true indicator of who you are, as to why you feel this way. As a parent of a college-attending daughter, and soon to be son, I hear these unexperienced comments all the time. If you've never experienced anything, then you cannot begin to know how a parent feels when something happens to their child. I thank God every day that I have never had to endure such tragedy. To my children, I always give them the same line..."One day, you'll understand, One day when you're older."

My daugher now has a daughter of her own, and on several occasions, she has admitted that "Yes dad, I now understand what you meant." "I never could understand why you wouldn't let me do (so and so), but I understand now."

With age comes experience. So I'm going to give you that same advice..."You'll understand one day, when you're older and more experienced." I will pray that that experience doesn't come at such a terrible cost as it has to the Pasquale family.

As a parent and Christian, seeking justice, not revenge, is a God-given right. If you haven't read the Bible, then pick it up and see how God commanded his people to deal justice to murderers and such.

As a father, it's not only my right, but it's my responsibility to protect my childern. If someone offends my child, then I believe that it's my right to seek justice. In our "Liberal" justice system, they've taken away our right to personally exact justice. However, it's the law and there's nothing we can do about it. If this were my daughter, and I could get my hands on this child-killer before the police, then I would ignore the law and exercise my God-given right to justice. I would expedite this pervert's meeting to stand before the Judge of all judges.

Pasquale family, you are in my prayers.

Liberal College Girl,

I don't blame you for your stance; in fact, I do respect it.

But the responses here are based on human emotions. Another girl has been killed. Parents everywhere are frustrated, frightened and outraged.

Our courts would never allow for public executions, but as a father I--at this moment--would condone it.

Showing compassion for people who commit the most heinous crimes does nothing, in my opinion, for justice or the common good. Rest assured if we ever do find this scum and sentence him to death, there will be protesters outside the prison on the execution date, holding pictures of the condemned. No picture of this precious girl will be seen. The monstrous crime would be forgotten.

I don't forget. I would suspect some of the folks who responded to your post wouldn't, either.

You're young and idealistic. Those are very good traits. But you need to understand that with age, experience and acquired families others have more to lose if crimes like this continue to proliferate.

You are witnessing an abandonment of empathy for the most evil of humankind.

That can be a very good trait, too.

Castration will not stop them from killing....they need to be executed!

@Liberal College Girl, your handle says it all. Maybe when you grow up, and have kids, you may change your tune with regards to being so weak on crime, especially crime against children.

Unfortunately NJ no longer has a death penalty so the max it could be is life in prison.

The war on women and children needs to cease.

Conservative College Dad, I could not have said it better myself. The law is not protecting our children. These people can ruin the lives of a child by molesting them, and killing them and what do they get? A free ride for 20-30 years, and when they come out they just do the same thing again. These people cannot be rehabilitated. They cannot be helped with medication, therapy, castration, or a lobotomy. Why should they get to live when their victims lives are either permanently ruined, or ended all together? The judicial system really needs to reevaluate its position on rehabilitation of child molesters and child murderers, because it's quite obvious that it is not working. There is no help for these people, plain and simple.

I don't think Liberal is saying we should execute anyone who would do something like this to a child, just that the execution should not be a public spectacle. I have to admit having some issues with public executions myself. Just for the record, I have advocated chumming up a school of sharks then slowly lowering people like child molesters, slowly, into the feeding frenzy.

Playa, you're right. Before we execute someone, regardless the crime, we need irrefutable evidence, not just beyond a reasonable doubt. It is actually cheaper to keep someone in prison for many years than it is to put them on death row. Lock them up and keep them there until we have, absolutely, no doubt about their guilt and then fry them!

This could have been prevented if there weren't so many libertarians giving these slimebucket pedophiles light sentences and letting go free back into our communities, there are thousands of them out there they should stay locked up!! Rehabilitation has been proven not to work..

Ok, here's where I break with my liberal/Progressive compatriots...

I say find him (or her), compile the irrefutable proof, convict him, quietly (without public fanfare) and efficiently put him to death, then make it abundantly and publicly clear that this is the end result for ANYONE who murders another, especially a child. No repeal and no reversal on a "technicality". If their conviction isn't a slam dunk then they get automatic life without parole under extensive drug therapy.

I know some would say that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent, and that we're the only Western country that still does it,

...but then we're also the only Western country that has the sort of society that breeds these sorts of individuals to this degree. I've traveled throughout the World and the number of and frequency of these repetitive child killings, random murders of women and mass killing gun crimes by lone individuals to this frequency is uniquely American.

If nothing else it keeps individuals like these child/women murders from living their lives out at taxpayer's expense and becoming an example of how not to pay for one's crime.

It also prevents their getting "cured" or finding god, making parole and repeating their crimes, as has happened often enough. Revolving door prisons and repeat offenders also seems to be very American, though not exclusively.

If they're mentally ill to this degree as is often the case, then the death penalty will serve as an effective and humane way to end their suffering from their illness. There are many mentally ill individuals in this country but 99.5% of them aren't murderers.

I know this attitude is not a popular one in my circles, but when it comes to this topic I'm also a pragmatist.

Its not hypocrisy, it's just a uniquely American solution for a uniquely American problem.

We've all seen mob craziness and death/hangings in the street in mideast countries. I am going to defend LCG and say that we don't want mob justice - we want legal justice. If that means the death penalty (if NJ has it) so be it.

BTW, I have 2 children. And if something happened to them, I would love to gut this guy myself. I would not be able to, however, because...we are a nation based on laws, not mobs.

Capital punishment for a child killer may not be a deterrent for others but no capital punishment is certainly not a deterrent. A CHILD KILLER! Let it be a sign at the hanging!

Liberal college girl...........the name sums it up right there. Send your kids to college and thats what will happen they will become libs. $200,000 for 4 years to have your child brainwashed no thanks. This animal deserves a public death hang em, torture who cares he should die the most horrible death possible. No mercy for a child killer.

A large number of these sick asses that do get caught, get offered plea bargains to make sure they are locked up for life. They usually ADMIT to the crimes but don't get death penalty. Which by the way, NJ does not have anyway. When they are caught, I say tell everyone to turn the other way, tell them to start running and be done with it. If like some of you say they are mentally ill? Lock them in a mental ward for the rest of their lives. It would be worse than prisons simply because they usually aren't that crazy, just evil people. They have less chance getting out of a psych ward than prison. Let them live the rest of their lives with some "real" crazy people.

America is no longer the Beautiful, it's on a decline from our Bickering over politics to Class warfare, Think back 40-50 years, weren't We all a lot better off, sometimes things don't change for the best, our Morals and Greed will get the best of us and it shows it on a daily bases, sure ain't like no Little House on the Prairie, every day We look at the News and it just sickens Us, War every where, Remember that joke about being able to wake up in the morning, NOW its just that a SICK JOKE because people are so sick they are killing kids.

Holy crap people, what is wrong with you?! As a parent of girls, I too am appalled at this crime, but this doesn't eliminate my ability to reason rationally.

All liberal college girl said was that "public executions" were un-American. I tend to agree. She didn't say we should try to rehabilitate the killer. She didn't even imply if she felt that the death penalty is a good or bad idea. She merely took issue with the idea of execution as a public blood sport.

I'm against the death penalty for purely economic reasons. If we can maintain due process while somehow streamlining the process (less expensive than life in prison) I'd be for the death penalty in murder and aggravated rape cases. Hell, I'd even let the family of the victim have a go at the person with a bat beforehand. However, to make it a public affair like in the middle ages and ancient Rome, says something very negative about our society.

@dmatthews3

Look up the term "Basha Bazi" and tell me Afganistan has stricter laws against child sexual exploitation.

Liberal girl has a point. Whether you murder a child or an adult, the outcome is the same. Speaking as a parent of two small children, I understand the anger and felt it the same way.

Public execution is not the way, but that isn't to say that execution as a method is being ruled out. Sometimes it's just a matter of permanently removing the risk factor.

Early American Justice 1700's; Drawn & Quartered for child killers. A statement on our justice system. It lacks common sense.

So what if the girl was killed by someone who she knows instead of the "stranger"? Everytime a child goes missing the comments are quick to say a stranger did this. I bet you that it was someone who knew her or someone in the neighborhood. How many times has it been a family member, friend or neighhbor who did this? Also what if it's a woman. I love it everytime someone has an opinion like LCG, folks go crazy, but she has the right to say what she wants just like you do.

Why do folks think that only a certain segment of society do this? Didn't Sandra Cantu be killed by a woman by the name of Melisa Huckabye who was not on the list of repeat offenders and a woman? The thing is I believe anyone is capable of anything. That is whyI am not surprised when the offender is named.

Geez so many of you missed LCG's point - I'm glad she is thinking, as so many of you seem to have stopped & are raging on pure emotion.

She didn't say the bastard shouldn't be caught, convicted & punished to the fullest extent of the law - just that there shouldn't be public executions on the street in America. I happen to wholeheartedly agree. That is sliding back down the path to throwing xtians to lions for entertainment. Caveman stuff.

LCG carry on, there are rational thinking adults in the working world who will appreciate you when you get here.

Heart goes out to the parents of this little girl. Parents, have a chat with your kids please - it may scare them but they need to know their are real live monsters loose & to be on their guard.

i work on the front lines of child protection and i do workshops on serial perpetrators for law enforecment and cps workers. i am appalled that any parent in the wake of the jaycee two years ago to jessica ridgeway last week would allow their child to be in the wolrd alone and be so idiotic as to think that child will come home again. you need to wake up people. predetors are oppurtunists and when you send your kid out in the world alone, you are doing nothign but creating an oppurtunity for a predetor. drive your kid the 'short' walk or bike ride to her freinds house. if its that short, get off your ass and take them there yourself. do you not get that every day our criminal system lets sexual predetors of children go on furlough and probation? do you not grasp that these people are hard wired with auto sexual response to children, to their screams, to the torturing of their bodies. do you not understand that these monsters are not ever going to stop, not ever going to be 'saved by christ', not ever going to be rehabed--nor are they ever going to be locked away. they will get out--almost all of them do--and they will find another child whom some odiot parent thought was okay to let play in the front yard alone. do you not understand that predetors will grab your kid faster than they can even scream and there is no way in hell you can catch them. so wake up. stop living in a illusion. you make sure your kid is safe by buckeling them up in the car each time but yet again and again you send them out to play alone. if a grown woman training for a maraton in montana can be abducted and murdered [last year] if a 21 year olf woman going to work only 5 minutes away can be abducted and murdered [last week] do you not think your child cant have the same thing? stop creating oppurtunities for these monsters to take another child. type your address in to your sherriffs site and see the faces of the registered sex offeners in your town. understand that for every one on there there are three more savey who havent been caught. they drive cars, they drift, they live in a parents basement and no one sees them. they are everywhere. so you want to gripe about how is should be safe for kids to go on a short distance and how you as a parent cant be expected to be with your kid all the time. well, let me put you in touch with some of the families that i know who had to idenitfy their child at the morgue. who had to face what a sick predetor did to their childs body. who had to live with the fact that had they not put their kid out there that day, that their child would not have gone thru that. they used to feel just like you. and now they'd give anything to go back in time to the day their child was stolen. advocate for mansatory castration of repeat child sex offenders. remove the auto erotic response that are wired for and they are harmless eunichs. these are the things you can do to be in the 21st century and not give your child away to a predetor.

These are very sad news, a child's life was cut off prematurily due to the actions of a bad human being; but whats is even more sickenning is the fact that when this individual gets caught, he/she will be treated with tenderness just like with Mr Holmes - the movie theater shooter and Casey Anthony among others... and no justice will be done...

GHIZ NJ, you are living in a delusion. there are two main types of predetory types, those that act alone and want to torture and kill a child. they are hidden, stealthy and they aim to kill. then there are those who work in pairs who spot a child alone, one drives the car, the other grabs the kid and holds them to the floor. that child is drugged and chained up and becomes part of a child sex ring. are you so outdatedly stupid that you think this predetor strolls up to a child and tries to offer them a peice of candy? are you so amazingly out of it that you actually want to suggest that the child who was murdered could have not been murdered if her parents would have 'talked to her' about such monsters out there. grown women all the time, savy, professional, safe women are drugged, abducted, raped, murdered by predetory people. i work in this arm of law and have for ten years. you have no idea how many repeat offenders hone their craft of capturing a child and nurse fantasies for years about what they want to do with one. the thrill is in the kill. these monsters are not detered by jail or anything else. they have no compassion and the more pain the child is in, the more excited they become. wake up. the only way to protect your child from the predetors that live around us--everyewhere--i dont care how 'safe' you think your town or street is---is to STOP being ignorant and letting your kids walk, ride bikes, play in parks, the front yard, where ever alone--and im not talking with just other kids. kids are stolen from a group of kids all the time [i work on these cases]. being with other kids assures nothing. jaycee was stolen at a bus stop while standing next to her step dad. when a predetor wants a child, they stop at nothing. dont be like nj above and think talking to your kids is enough. be a good parent, get your head out of your arse and stop living in some dreamland where predetors only live elsewhere. and your child is safe because you feel safe.

this is so sad. i've heard of way to many children coming up missing and then dead. as i parent i cant imagine what those poor parents have went through and all the suffering they still have to endure. i spent an hour where i thought my child was missing and it was the worst time of my life, but i was lucky her father had just picked her up from school. and she was home safe and sound i cant imagine what it would feel like to have to identify you child's body in a morgue. my heart and prayers go out to those families and i hope they find some kind of justice!

Scott: You work with them? That last sentence you wrote castration does not remove their thoughts. You blame people and parents? WRONG! Why don't we lobotomize them instead? Heres an idea kill the SOB and he or she won't ever do it again.

In 99% of these type of cases, it turns out to be some guy in the neighborhood, or someone close to the family, who's been fixating on this little girl.

It is way past the time that we start putting these kind of perverts to death. It won't stop them, I know, but it may cause some of them to at least think twice before they snatch another child off the street.

mommi0f1: I like the island idea. Ssounds both humane and incredebly cruel at the same time, should make everybody happy, as well as cheaper. Guarding a single island would be eaiser than maintaining our massive prison system that houses them. I someone ever did this to my litte sister(13 years younger than me) same age as this girl if me or her dad found him before police he would never been seen from or heard from again. Nice thing about were I live five years down the line I could tell the local sheriff and he would understand.

Parents never learn. A little girl was recently abducted while walking to school alone and she was later found murdered. Now another young girl was murdered. Why do parents continue to let their children go anywhere alone? I just don't get it.

REGARDING LIBERIAN COLLEGE GIRL'S COMMENT:

I think ppl are misunderstanding her whole point...and I agree with her 100%. I am not saying that these ppl should or should not be executed. I am not sure how I feel about that one. I have children myself, but I am also a God fearing woman and know that vengeance is not mine. However, to PUBLICLY execute and display this as some sort of deterrent is beyond inhumane. It actually reminds me of lynchings. Of course these monsters should be made an example of...but, not like that..."an eye for an eye will just make the whole world blind."

The last public execution in the US was in the 1930's... so for a MAJORITY of our history it was just fine by most Americans. It's only in the recent decades, where we can have sex, drugs, and glorified fake violence shoved in our faces that seeing someone receive justice has become taboo. Makes no sense to me. If child killers were hung publicly rather than coddled in prisons, I suspect fewer people would take the chance killing a child.

This just makes me so sad and angry. How can anyone be so sick and evil as to take a child and kill her?

Kitty: Vengence/Justice is the right of the leaders to administer. Romans: 13;1-7 . Whatever! I say skin-um alive like the Indians did 150 years ago.

You know all of you addressing "Liberal College girl" are about as foolish as she/he is. Just because their name on here is that doesn't mean that is what they are. For all we know this little girl was abducted by someone on the internet claiming to be a 13 year old boy and was not. People can be anything they want on the internet and no one is the wiser. I've known people who posted with a handle that states they're conservative but are only doing it to make more people despise republicans and I have no doubt there is the vice versa. Ignore it and it will go away. If this body is of this little girl I hope they find her murderer very quickly. I can't imagine the horror for her family.

Liberal College girl and Kitty 80 made an excellent point. By murdering someone for his crime of murder the people are committing murder in the eyes of God. The Mark of Cain is to prevent revenge killings in the bible. Lust is a sin and how many here are lusting for the murder of the murderer?

Becareful of what you wish for.

GP HOMESCHOOL MOM:

When it was not taboo to do PUBLIC executions (lynchings), it was during a time when the world was run by pure evil...the same people that would allow a white person to kill a Black person in the most vicious way and get away with it. The same people that allowed people to get away with bombing churches...the same people that allowed an ENTIRE RACE to be mistreated for over 400 years...the same people that raped and killed people for their own pleasure and agenda. So, with that said, the world was NOT "just fine". People are going to continue to do disgusting things like raping and killing children not because we don't have public executions in place...but because they think they won't get caught! Why else do people commit crimes?? If they KNEW (like most of us do) they would get caught, that would be their deterrent. Hello???!!

January 2 2013 it will be 25 years since Debbie was kidnapped raped tortured and murdered. She was my friend, she was not a child any more she was 24. To her parents she was still their baby. My pain and anguish was different from theirs, her stepfather was a high ranking officer in the local sheriff's department. They caught the pieces of crap in 2 days. I can still hear in my head my other friends voice "she got murdered", I still remember the feeling of shock and numbness. I remember my rage, I no longer feel that rage instead I feel an empty hollow feeling when I think about her, I still remember the last time I saw her, I still feel the last time we hugged. It was her boyfriend and his "buddy". They were tried and convicted of kidnapping, torture and 1st degree murder, The "buddy" was the one who actually killed her, his ex wife testified that he used to work in funeral homes and was a necrophiliac. He received the death penalty. I had plans to go to Stark or Raiford, whichever location was going to be used for his execution, I was going to start popping bottles of champagne when the lights flickered(we were still using old sparky then). His son is serving 20+ years for lewd and lascivious behaviour on a child under 12, one of his nephews committed suicide after being molested.

Three years later I picked up the newspaper while having a cup of coffee at work and read that his sentence had been commuted to life with no possibility of parole. No-one could come near me that day, I was full of rage and anger for several days, my co-workers knew why and gave me the space I needed. They will both leave prison in body bags. Every so often I go onto the prison system website to see if either of them has died yet, unfortunately they are still alive, in a way I feel robbed, I cant imagine they are having a fun time but they are still alive and I want them dead already.

Debbie's mother went after them civilly and took everything they had, left nothing for the families that raised these monsters.

Liberal College Girl is right, the perpetrator must be caught, and must go through the legal system, we are a nation of laws, that is what separates us from other country's. We cannot have lawless mob rule, we cannot rush to judgement and execution, we must go through due process. Then we can execute this scum, not in public either, all that will do is desensitize us to killing. No, seeing death and killing in movies, tv and video games is not the same, I have seen enough accidents, been to enough funerals, that seeing a body no longer phases me. The last body I saw was a suicide, gunshot to the chest, didn't bother me in the least and he was 20 feet from me.

What happens when we become desensitized to execution. Do we seek justice like the Taliban.

I remember the Gainesville murders, I had a sibling in school in Gainesville at the time, we fought on the phone, I wanted to go to Gainesville so I could sit quietly in his apartment at night with a shotgun in my hands while he and his room mates slept, I would sleep during the day. Ed Humphrey was originally the suspect, there were people ready to lynch him, but Danny Rolling was the real killer.

Public execution would not have been a deterrent in any of these cases, but may have had counterproductive results, what happens when a parent brings a child to witness an execution, what does this do to the mind of an innocent child.

@ pushingbikes

Although I know you are just looking for any opportunity to bash Christians, I will say that this is not being hypocritical. The Bible gives instructions to judges on how to administer punishment in courts of law, and the punishment for murder is death. So, if a Christian calls for the death penalty in a murder case, then they are following the rules that have been established.

But you aren't interested in truth anyway, are you? Please feel free to continue your rant about how Christians are monsters because they want the death penalty in this case, instead of the actual murderer being the monster. Obviously in your eyes, he is the inncocent victim of Christian brutality. I am very fortunate that I don't live in your world.

Huskergal: Your pity is misguided. Murdering someone? No exterminating vermin is the correct term. Not lust-Demand Justice.

The United States also needs to deal with the simple fact of what every other industrialized nation has known for decades: this country has males who roam states and regions for the sole purpose of finding a vulnerable, unsuspecting little girl or woman who is merely going about her daily life. There are certainly hideous, twisted males in every country, however, we are the only 1st world nation with more than 5 million males in prison/jail and on parole. For more than 30 years, many of our leaders have beat the misogynist, demeaning drum against female dignity. And a substantial portion of our citizenry has let them not only get away with it but now agrees females are not to be respected. We are a hideous demented entertainment and porn saturated culture; whatever satisfies the sex drive of males seems okay because we so revere anything that can be monetized, even perversion that feeds sick minds who snuff out the life of 4, and 7, and 12-year-old girls. Ask any ER doc or nurse and they'll tell you how often they see infant girls who've been raped. Our culture is fearful of and hates women, which is why some parents of sons raise them to also hate and dismiss the very humanity of females. The U.S. grows like a fungus an endless supply of males who kidnap, rape and kill little girls.

Welcome to the masculinization of America (and the world). Let's all take notice, too, that most guys who kidnap, rape and kill children and throw them in dumpsters or hack them to pieces and throw them in the woods are heterosexual. Why do we never hear cries against how sick heterosexuality is, or how it's a "slippery slope" as we do against homosexuality? Hell, I'm straight, and at this point, I'd trust a kid in a neighborhood full of homosexuals; they are far less likely to wind up raped and dead in a dumpster.

Sad, but true. Of course, it's not POLITICALLY CORRECT to say. Oh well.

Liberal College Girl! naive and clueless you are. I hope this will not happen to you and your family... for I'm sure it will violently change your perspective in a heart beat. Death to these monsters!

We live in a world where it is not "politically correct to say immoral behavior is wrong". It is a private personal choice. Thankfully we have not crossed the line and accepted pedophilia as just another "personal choice", but we are edging that way.

It is OK to flood computer and TV screens with pornography, representations of immoral, degrading behavior and then we are surprised that the sickos of this world take it too far? When society OKs the degrading of humanity by accepting immoral behavior and the routine degrading of women, we should not be surprised that we have more of these sick individuals among us.

The only way to stop these kinds of attacks is to act like parents by educating AND supervising our children....while also cleaning up the moral environment of our country. Then finally we must find and lock up people with these sick, incurable minds. There should be no parole or light sentence when one harms a child in this heinous manner.

To those seeking lynch-mob-justice for this crime, realize that if the wrong person is accused, convicted and disposed of, the guilty get away with it. On top of that I favor life sentences over executions so that the culprit has a very long time to reflect upon the choices made during his sordid life. As a liberal a crime such as this committed on a child makes me just as angry as a person with conservative convictions and I too would like to pummel the culprit, but when he is dead his suffering ends.

ANTISTUPIDITY:

Well said!

Wow, cannot believe the vile and hatred spewed towards Liberal College Girl. Not to mention the deranged hunger for death these people have. I am a conservative Christian and I agree totally with her. First off, as has been pointed out, she in no way said that this perpetrator should be cared for and rehabiliated. In no way did she even insinuate that there should be no punishment for this monster. She merely made an observation about the mental sickness of the people who are coming up with some of the most atrocious and disturbing things to do to this person. I agree with her, as she was continually proven by the responses made to her comment. You people are sick and disturbed and very well could be as potentially dangerous as the monster who killed this little girl. I am a believer in corporal punishment and feel that a murderer who has no sanctity for life should themselves be put to death, but to torture and do it in a way as some of you have suggested is sick and a cause for concern on humanity. Maybe try realizing that this person is extremely messed up and be sad that someone could get this way, it truly is a horrible thing. The taking of a life, any life, is not something that should be undertaken lightly, regardless of the miscreant who may or may not deserve it. Who's to say we all don't deserve death, because we do.

Don't worry MySpellCheckerisBroken, I am glad I don't live in your world either. I feel sorry for you and the others who believe the Bible to the letter. In that case, this wouldn't have been a crime had her father committed it, eh? After he abused her, because that happened in the Bible, so it must be okay!

I also thought one of the main tenets of Christianity was the 10 commandments. Doesn't one of them say "thou shall not kill"? But you are right, I don't want to know the truth.

And I don't mind Christians, so long as they aren't dumb like you.

pushingbikes - way off base dude. Straw-man to a tee though. Good job.

My deepest, deepest sympathies for this girl's family. No parent should ever have to face a moment like this one. The worst part of this story is that the girl was riding her bike mid-day! Just think about that for a moment. My best guess is that it's some guy in his late teens/early 20's that pulled up in a car and somehow got her to go with him. It kind of sounds like he tried to get her friend going too via her phone. I hope they find him quickly.

For all of the commenters here- How about a prayer for the family and the girl? It can't hurt.

@ pushingbikes

Don't feel sorry for me, as I am comfortable in what I believe and don't believe. You try to justify what this sick monster did to this girl because you sympathize with him. You are alike.

Also, if you are going to reference the Bible, maybe you should learn it first. One of the commandments is not "thou shall not kill" it is thou shall not murder. Two very different words with two very different meanings. Before you call someone else dumb, you may want to make sure your own house is in order, because yours isn't.

Kitty80

ANTISTUPIDITY:

Well said!

Thank you, it took a long time to type, it still brings tears to my eyes and they are not easy to type though, and now I have this empt feeling that I will have the rest of the day.

Children must be given the opportunity learn grow and flourish, they cannot be kept under your thumb forever, we have to give them their freedom after we have taught them about the world, and what to do when things happen. unfortunately things like this will always happen

Come on people... The death penalty is a PUNISHMENT... doesn't have to be a deterrent to work or not..That's just an unintended benefit... The death penalty works GREAT as a punishment..

If we know absolutely, like no chance to be wrong whatsoever, then I agree that immediate death is what this man (or woman, never know) deserves. However, I will agree with playamade that we mess up sometimes and may kill someone who never did the crime. And I agree that its worse, because then blood is on all our hands. If we dont know for certain, I say lock him up in solitary for the rest of his life. 1 hour a day to move around in the yard. No human contact, a $20 20 year old mattress, just enough discusting food to let him live and water. Nothing more.

My heart sank at the news. There remained a hope within me that somehow this young girl had escaped the evilness that lurks in our country. Having been molested as a very young child and going through things no child should ever ever ever even think about, I can attest to the darkness that lives within man. It is not pretty. People often don't want to know. They don't want to believe. They don't want to see. That is what protects the monsters. Hang the man, but not where children can see. They have already seen enough. Let them know, though, that always they will be protected, always you will listen and believe, and always everything will be done to find and punish the perpetrator. I never let my children walk alone, even when they became teenagers. Although they were always well advised of what to do if someone approaches them, sometimes children forget or the person is someone they know well. Don't take chances with your child's safety, no matter how much others say you are doing too much. You cannot ever do 'too much' when it comes to protecting them. Trust no one. Bring them to adulthood safely. I don't want to, however, increase the agony of the parents. They are going through something more horrific than anything a parent can experience. They did not grasp the true danger.

Maybe when they find this child killer , they can give him the chocolate cake with sprinkles that he missed out on at his tenth birthday party. That should make America feel all warm and fuzzy inside. THEN, KILL THE BASTARD!

Back East,

With respect, I disagree. I don't think of the Death Penalty as a punishment.

It is, as you say, a deterrent. And insurance (dead people don't tend to become repeat offenders).

And if you don't buy the insurance claim, then let's just call it vengeance.

But whether you're right or I'm right or we're both wrong, I'll take it. However we justify Capital Punishment for scum like this, I support it. Apparently you and I agree on that.

I'll go you one further: I think that kidnapping a child should be a capital offense at the federal level. If the offender turns himself/herself in and the child is returned safely, we take the death penalty off the table. If we have to find them, then their ass sits on death row regardless whether the child is alive or not.

Enough is enough.

Our country/world is phukked. I have zero faith in humanity anymore. RIP Autumn.

The person who killed this girl obviously has anger problems - the first poster responded in anger - in my life, responding to those who showed anger toward me with my own anger; it never worked out that well.

Liberal college girl never addressed the killer or his/her victim - many of you just interjected your own speculations as to what LCG's view is concerning those issues. Once again the lack of diverseness plagues Newsvine posters, we get locked into one train of thought (or in this case, our own anger) and can't see the forest through the trees.

LCG left the punishment phase to those who run our judicial system, and that is where it belongs. Humans have some seriously screwed up problems and when warranted - those people should face the fullest extent of our Judaical systems wrath...our own anger has no barring in such cases and only exposes our own weaknesses. Exposing another persons weaknesses should make a mature person grow as a person, it looks like some posters are content on being weak.

Nobody is asking for compassion for the killer - why some of you went that route, I don't know?

The problem I have in these cases is when people start using words like hope and pray when to comes to hunting down criminals - NO, we need to fund the agencies that do that type of work - stop voting to slash the funding of our police, cuz your hoping and praying are doing a piss poor job of protecting innocent people.

Look up the words "hope" and "pray"; you should feel pretty foolish for using such words.

I'm always reminded of the convict who had cut the arms of a young girl. Then was released from prison and killed others. This is your justice system. Cry all you want about humanity, because they deserve none! If it makes you feel bad, outsource it to China like everything else. They'll waste them as their getting off the boat NO problem..Our justice system has major flaws, when the guilty make deals, and justice is delayed.

I see all kinds of young children in our neighborhood riding bikes, walking, playing around, alone, and in groups. And I think what are these parents thinking?

That absolutely nothing can happen to that little 10 year old girl or boy wandering down the side walk alone? They're perfectly safe. They're not.

It is especially the ones alone I worry about, but even in groups, most young children generally are not capable of helping out a friend who is abducted.

I have made it a rule to monitor my sons's outdoor play and have not let him go out alone. I plan dates, bowling, or drive him to a playdate. I'm not giving someone a chance to decide he looks like easy pickins'.

My word, there are COLLEGE age girls being abducted and murdered, why take a chance? This was a beautiful young little girl with her whole life ahead of her. It's a shame.

I think it's time for parents to get creative when getting their kids to play-dates, or playing outside, etc. don't let them out without parental supervision. We had a portable pool, trampoline, water balloon fights, etc in our backyard with parental supervison. Yes, it's more work, but it's worth the peace of mind of the parent and the safety of the child.

Call me old fashioned, but children need parental supervision late into their teens, and young women would do well to have an escort or a friend when they go out to bars and out at night.

As the saying goes, better to be safe than sorry.

No freedom for anyone when you have to be afraid.

I will ask this again, what if someone she knew did this to her? What if it is someone who is familiar to her and not a stranger? I get very concerned when the public turns to mob mentality and they know who killed a victim. What if they arrest the wrong person. I was watching a show where a college student was murdered and the police thought a guy who stole women's panties was the one who killed her, even though they had no evidence that he was involved. The police stormed his parents home (where he lived) with swat and shot the dad with a rubber bullet (a scar is there now). He was cleared when the DNA didn't match, and he was convicted on the theft charges. That is the type of problems I have with cases like this. This also reminds me of the Casey Anthony case when she said the nanny kidnapped her child and folks started going after the nanny, or the fact that a man by the name of Casey Anthony was getting threats on facebook. This has continued on case after case. When is it going to end? Instead of blaming men for doing this crime consider anyone can do it. (and once again, I hate to mention this but remember Melissa Huckabye killed a young girl Sandra Cantu, the teen girl who killed her sister's friend because she wanted to know what it was like to kill someone and planned to kill her little sister to, or the boy who killed his next door neighbor - girl and hid her under the water bed.) Killers come in all shapes and sizes, so don't be surprised who is accused.

You know what's really sick?

When someone takes a tragedy like this and uses it as an excuse for politcal fodder. THAT is really sick.

the best way to decimate the numbers of these EVIL individuals is entrapment. A decoy resembling a child with a homing system wired so when the "bait" is snatched the waiting police team closes in on the predator who now has the decoy in possession and can be dealth with.

The law enFarcement and "criminal prosecution system" is a Legal Feeding Trough upon which ALL of these bureaucrats depend on and feed. It is much easier for these dunkin dounuts cops to go after you and me for a revenue making ticket, otherwise We Law Abiding Tax Paying Citizens are worthless.We do not violate the laws and so we DO NOT justify the $BILLIONS given to these"public Servants" Who Now "Serve and Protect" - Serve The Evil Rich and Protect their ill gotten wealth. Once these "Entrapped" Child Killers are Caught and 24 hour prosecuted, just say NO. Being Humane is executuion by Nitrous Oxide and the predators will have the Last Laugh.

Liberal college girl is right. The people on here calling for public execution and/or torture are almost as scary as the monsters who commit these crimes. The main difference is a murderer acts out his desire to kill but the other people, who have just as much bloodlust, would rather someone else carries out the killing and torture so they can watch and get their rocks off. People, please go get the help you need.

And people who think jail is a nice place to live with 3 meals a day and cable TV and whatever are so out of touch with reality they'll never get it. Prisons are a horrible place. Only a mentally deranged person would think jail is a nice place. If you think it's so nice go out and commit a crime and live out the rest of your life on the "taxpayers" expense.

The media loves to play on peoples fears. They love to scare people. There are around 100 of these child abductions and killings every year. The odds of it happening are miniscule. I know that doesn't mean anything to the families who suffer through this horrific crime, but all the parents who say they'll never let their kids go to the park alone, or walk to school alone, etc., are making a big mistake and you're actually hurting your kids in the long run. You're raising your kids to live in fear, and there's a big difference between watching your kids and teaching them how to be smart and fend for themselves and being fearful of everything where you make yourself a prisoner in your own house.

There's the same number of child abductions and killings as there were 50 or even 100 years ago. People used to let their kids play outside and whatever back then and there's no reason not to do it now.

JUSTICE - Quit the insults!! This wall nor is this time to be hurling insults at anyone. Constructive criticism is one thing but not even here. Offer up solutions in a more somber tone rather instead!! No one is perfect and neither are you.

All I have to say to parents or future parents: do not let your children out alone no matter what age. They should never leave your sight...NEVER!! Always see them to and from their locations. Whether it is one 12 year old or a group of 12 year olds, so long as there is not one adult, they are all prey for the one who is lurking to pounce. Those 12 year olds are defenseless and most likely to be oblivious to their surroundings. One adult is all it takes to keep the one who is lurking...away!! Follow-up with phone calls, text messages or anything...isn't that why you gave your child a cell phone today??? Back when I was growing up...a phone call was placed when arriving at the destination and when leaving to go back...otherwise there were consequences for not following up!!

Liberalcollegegirl: You aren't wrong, but no one wants to hear that right now. One way we keep these feelings under control in our country is to exercise our right to free speech and vent some anger (and ultimately the fear of these monsters walking among us). We know we can't be vigilantes and have a democracy/republic and maintain what stability we have (not much). Even if the perv is caught and punished, there will never be true justice for this girl.

The war on women and children needs to cease.

Bless you Autumn. And condolences to your family and friends...to us all.

bonos rama:

Some things are just too stupid to write - and you've got a winner. Guess who lives in Arkansas, and who noticed this was not reported nationally? Wonder how many other politically sensitive topics like this are not reported nationally at all? I know - and trust - very, very few people with my younger loved ones, no matter who is the person. Why would you write something so offensive? Let me just bash somebody?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jesse_Dirkhising

pushingbikes - where do you find anything similar to what you are writing in the New Testament? Since you "talk" like you know about Christianity, let's pretend you do. What was written about the fulfillment of prophecy after the arrival, life, and Jesus? Do any Christians live under the Old Testament (which is what you're writing about - or have been told about)? Where is any of what you're saying in any of the books of the New Testament/New Covenant? You don't have a clue.

Make sure the only eyes on your children are yours....

I understand the insanity of what has happened with this poor girl but to say the above....That's just plain stupid. What a dumbass statement! Will you lock your boy or girl up in their room until age 18? Make them wear a burka?? Overly dramatic much??

Hey Diverdown1 - it was two brothers.......NOT her brothers. A for effort though.

I wish this country would redirect all the resources it puts into the "war on drugs" to a war on pedophiles and other sexual predators. There would probably be plenty of money left over to rehab all the drug addicts and pay down the deficit to boot. Just saying.

To all who are outraged, but cannot read...... “There were no signs of sexual assault,” Dalton said, adding “she was lured to the juveniles’ house where this crime was committed. ... It was for the purpose of obtaining parts from the BMX bike."* from the news article above. They did not sexually assault the girl, so your arguments about "perverts" do not apply.

Yes, I think the two teens, once convicted, should be sentenced to life for what they did. They were old enough to take a little girl's life, they are old enough to serve life sentences, although they won't.

@ Diverdown

please read an article before posting and if you did, well like you said, "this is America".

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It's called a story update blondeness.

that is all.

The numerous posters above criticizing Liberal College Girl should seek guidance. You people truly frighten me. Although your anger at the perpetrators of this crime is understandable, you have focused your anger in a totally inappropriate manner.

She obviously did not attempt to minimize the crime but you WANTED to lash out at someone even if it meant putting false words in her mouth.

So even after all this hate, this demand for a witch hunt, demand for castration and death to all pedophiles in the are it turns out that this poor girl was killed by two teens. Now what would have happend if we actually listened to what a bunch of you IDIOTS had suggested and gone after a group of people who had nothing to do with this crime. Seems LiberalCollegeGirl was right but what she tried to tell you will be forever drowned out in your own hatred, paranoia, and fear.

OK, well the death penalty is off the table now. It was 2 teenage brothers, and no state executes minors. Hopefully a couple life sentences are coming their way however.

To Hello!- Did you not read the article? You said "now they just need to find whoever killed this girl". Um it says right in the article that two teenagers are being charged....

Public executions never did anything to stop crime. Our country had them with the last one being in 1936. We had them for 160 years. People still committed murder. While I support the death penalty for certain crimes and only if a large amount of physical evidence proves beyond all doubt the guilt of a person. Doing it publically would do nothing to stop crime it never did no matter how gruesomely it was done. OJ never faced the death penalty and we was accused of killing his ex-wife so gruesomely that he had almost cut her head conpletely off. Show me a rich person who gets the death penalty and then I'll say the system is working better.

"Liberal College Girl" is exactly right, and you people (Really ignorant and immature adults) advocating torture and public execution, and attacking this woman for her opinion, need psychiatric attention. You sound like a pack of high schoolers. She never defended the killer but stated her opinion. f***ing idiots

and now I await the excuses for the teens who have been charged. I am waiting for folks to say that they couldn't have done this. As usual, sadly, this is most likely someone she knew from the neighborhood and all the media and most of ya'll thought that it was a stranger who took her. That is why I say check everybody. Everybody is a suspect.

Thank you all who stand up and support LCG, there is some hope for America yet. She is right. If we stand for public executions we are on the same slippery slope as the murders. Vengence does not get you anything, but a hard heart. It does not bring you closure. Ask anyone that has had a loved one killed and their killer executed. It brought nothing to closure. IF its vengence you want, then you are as bad as them, and I see that as the biggest failure in America. All we want is vengence and it's killing us.

Welcome to the masculinization of America (and the world). Let's all take notice, too, that most guys who kidnap, rape and kill children and throw them in dumpsters or hack them to pieces and throw them in the woods are heterosexual.

When you consider that less than 4% of the American population identify as homosexual it isn't difficult to understand why most perpetrators are heterosexual. It's sort of a statistical, "well, duh" moment. Of course most of them are going to be heterosexual. The implication that being homosexual protects one from being the kind of person that wouldn't do such a thing to a kid is a dangerous delusion. There is evil in the hearts of everyone. Even the best of us.

I am appalled by all the hatred directed towards Liberal College Girl. You people blow everything way out of proportion; it's embarrassing. Not to mention the cynicism presented in some comments. Like Jon's comment about "peace and love doesn't solve everything". I mean, WOW, that's quite a depressing thing to say. Is it true? Maybe, or maybe not. But hey, maybe all the venom you flung at her just might shock her into changing her mind and becoming one of you. I mean, that is what you people want, right? To have everyone be cynical, corrupted, and hateful?

Also, if some Americans did form a raging mob and went after the killer, how do you all know it wouldn't degrade into a disaster? What if, completely blinded by rage and incapable of any coherent thought, said mob kills the wrong person? Or they lose control and start attacking innocent bystanders? Then you have even more criminals to deal with.

A really sad event here, and even sadder how people are arguing because of it. May this girl rest in peace and her killers be served whatever punishment is coming to them.

Why is everyone attacking Liberal College Girl? You people scare me. Her post did not say to free the criminal, only that public executions are barbaric and beneath us. There is a difference between justice and retaliation. With age is supposed to come wisdom, clearly that is a myth.

As far as the numerous ignorant comments 'how would you feel if it was your kid', there is a reason why the victim doesn't serve on the jury, it hardly allows for rational, impartial decisions.

Holy hell people, put down the torches and pitchforks. She was speaking out against PUBLIC EXECUTION. Not execution as a whole. We as Americans are too civilized to allow that sort of thing...well, some of us are anyway.

What the hell kind of 17 year old KILLS A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL FOR BIKE PARTS????? My god this world and more so this country has lost and and all sense of humanity and morals!!! Bike parts, a little girl lost her life for bike parts!!!

They wonder why some people flip out, this is one situation that could certainly cause a man or woman to completely flip the hell out, I know I would!!! May her family find peace somehow in this blur of insanity world we live in!!

Taziar, (nearly) everyone is attacking LCG because they're savages. How readily many imagined sexual assault indicates latent perverse desires beyond their thirst for mere blood. LCG managed to have them reinforce her point.

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Condolences to the family and friends. Sometimes human nature can never be explained.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

I have lived 2 a half a century now, and never have I seen the likes of this, the violence at the level it is now in our society. Teenagers killing parents to "see what it feels like", kids killing kids over bike parts. Young men shooting wives, kids, salon workers, movie theater goers, students...WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE? WHAT HAVE WE BECOME? Kids seem to be growing up without any sense of strong boundaries with regard to murder. Is it because of our media? Is it because we no longer teach the ten commandments--Thou shall not kill? Is it the drugs we're giving them? WHAT IS IT?

It is way past time to start holding parents responsible for the behavior of their minor children.

Huskergal: Your pity is misguided. Murdering someone? No exterminating vermin is the correct term. Not lust-Demand Justice.

You don't understand. I am all for justice. I just said that the Bible says Do Not Murder and God illustrated that we are not to kill for revenge; the Mark of Cain. Throw the murders in jail and keep them there until they die.

Those teenagers who killed that little girl knew very well what they were doing.

Keep in mind, when you are judging teenagers make sure you are not judging them by the same standards that was set down for you when you were that age. Teenagers today are much more mature than when we were their age.

Call it what you want, lack of parental supervision, increasing atheism (so that people don't have a sense of right and wrong anymore), violent video games.... whatever. That child probably knew those teenagers from before and that is why she had no problem following them to their house.

Those teenagers should be tried as adults.

Sure are a lot of people jumping to premature and erroneous conclusions here.

If it is proven that these boys murdered that girl shoot them the chinese way and force their parents to witness the exuction. I'm a liberal.

Children killing children and many lives destroyed for nothing. WTF is the world coming to?

Here is what is really sick - the father of these two thugs trying to justify their actions!

"I think someone wanted the girl's bicycle," Robinson said. "Maybe she wanted her bike and resisted, and one of them snatched her off a bike."

Okay, maybe your son's shouldn't have been trying to take her bike in the first place? So she resisted and they killed her! You sound as guilty as your sick sons! It's not like this is new. They have been caught stealing from others. These brats should have been in some juvenile jail!!!

I will add this, anyone, whether they are adults or teenagers, who kill another person knowingly and purposely for something worth less than $100 deserve to die for it! There is just no restitution for something like this!

Liberal College girl was right!! You people would have exectuted the nearest free suspected child molester and it turns out this was NOT a sex crime. It was 2 teens that wanted bike parts.

LCG was right on!

LCG, your voice is as valid as anyone's here. I disagree with your position but you are just as valued.

My position on the matter begins with an understanding of what is lost. It seems as time goes on more and more people are completely disconnected from other's personal losses, such as these. We hear about deaths everyday in the news and perhaps that's turned some people to accept it as inevitable. But in this case, consider anything you put 12 years of your heart and soul into. Let's just say it's your college career. Now let's say someone destroyed every bit of that over something as simple as wanting a hundred dollars in bike parts. Imagine going back and redoing 12 years of work because of $100. Have you put 12 years of your heart and soul into any one thing? It's hard to imagine for anyone but a parent and really, nothing compares. So that loss is not only senseless, it's real and with it a good part of your life is gone. Perhaps your family is never happy again. That's just a little of what these two boys took.

Now, there's no way they can repay for the loss. There is no equal trade for the human life they took and perhaps the family members whose lives they destroyed. Currently our option is to try them, at great expense- your expense, and then keep them in jail for life, again, at your expense. We're talking a million or more dollars to keep them in a cage. That money isn't going to the handicapped, schools or even helping kids who are at risk for just what these kids just did. It's keeping two kids in a cage, miserable until the day they die and YOU are paying for it out of pocket.

Now there are some who say the death penalty isn't worth it because you might get the wrong person and it happens a lot. Actually, getting the wrong person does happen but it's VERY infrequent and when it does occur it might be the wrong person for the crime specified but certainly someone involved or who has already committed many other crimes. Would you pay millions to keep one good person from the death penalty vs thousands of real murderers and rapists who do kill and will kill again?

But then there's the deterrent factor. Public executions sound terrible, even barbaric. But you have to understand that's the only thing some would be criminals understand. Murderers and rapists aren't good or nice like you- they're sociopaths who look for any opportunity to destroy and take what they can. For some of them, jail sounds like a vacation. It's hard for a decent person to imagine their mindset but consider how brutal and callous their actions are. Another thing to consider is how humans respect death, particularly death as a state measure. At the end of World War 2 we lived in a very peaceful world because men grew tired of death. They'd had enough.

Or think of the kingdom of count Dracul- the real live namesake of the character count dracula. His implementation of state punishment to criminals was merciless, cruel and public. Criminals were boiled alive in front of him in ceremonial feasts. BUT, he could say with complete assurance that any traveler could drop their wallet on the street and be certain it would not be touched because people respected and feared the law. American criminals don't have any such fear and until they do the most vulnerable citizens (children, the elderly and women) will be their targets.

If public executions are un-American, then I say it is time to Americanize them.

As a father of a girl the same age as Autumn, i hope somebody kills these two bastards in the most grisly way possible before they even have a chance to appear in courts.

Sounds like a racial hate crime to me!

Ahhh... I remember when those 2 boys brutally tortured and murdered a toddler. They were 10 years old. Google Jon Venables and Robert Thompson. What happened? They got out a few years later, and were given money to change their identities and move. I don't expect much to happen to these boys, if 2 evil children can viciously torture a 2 year old to death, and be given a clean slate.

"He said his sons were known for stealing bikes..."

Put em all away.

As a parent of four daughters, all adults now, thankfully, this was my greatest fear, by some random act of violence, my kids would lose their life. I am a very liberal person, I voted for President Obama, twice. About a public execution? Does it matter, these two brothers killed this little girl for bike parts, which means to me that they are already dead inside. Whether they are publicly executed or not, it matters little.

@ Liberal College Girl, I am not going to throw stones, but to better understand these posts, you might want to read Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act 4, Scene 5 where Laertes confronts King Claudius with this line: "How came he dead? I'll not be juggled with: to hell, allegiance! Vows, to the blackest devil! Conscience and grace to the profoundest pit! I dare damnation!: - to this point I stand..." **

Which means basically when it is the murder of a loved one, and even more so of a child, you cross a line that drives many people to wrath, fury, and vengeance. While I tend to frown on Public executions, I sometimes wonder if maybe there is a point when we have to root out evil - which is exactly what these two young men are - provided the charges are correct.

Were I the father of Autumn, I too would probably would be incarcerated and possibly executed for two murders.... Vengance is wrong, but humans are humans. And a lot of these angry reactions are understandable.

Peace, Ma'am

** William Shakespeare, Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, Act IV. Scene V

@creaturegirl

How can the death penalty be a deterrent if it is implemented privately, peacefully, forty years after the crime after a lengthy series of appeals based on legal technicalities rather than the crime itself? Do criminals ever even hear about any being executed? In fact what they may hear are stories of people viciously defending a murderer's to live to a peaceful, comfortable old age the victims never saw. They have SUPPORTERS! Some even find wives willing to have sex with them. Sex, free room and board, free healthcare- all luxuries they get just for waking up and murdering someone. The state is literally incentivizing murder. Again, under those conditions how can the death penalty deter?

And the fact of the matter is that the death penalty isn't just a matter of deterrence, it's also a matter of restitution and closure. We pay to keep murderers alive and locked in cages. That price, per murderer, over 20+ years can be over 1 million dollars. At the very least, wouldn't it make more sense to spend the same amount toward helping at risk for crime children rather than supporting murderers after the fact? But people are removed from the cost which is why they allow it. It's like the Seinfeld's 'Kramer' character talking about insurance fraud being a 'write off' to the post office. Some big faceless being with bottomless pockets appears to be able to handle million dollar prison stays with no problem, until you run into a situation like California is in where they had to increase tuition, reduce teaching wages and consider letting criminals go because the state is near bankrupt.

The fact is, the state will still spend our tax dollars and there will always be murderers. But why subsidize it opposed to helping others with the money instead? Why insist their lives carry the same value as those who never do anything like they do (i.e. most of the population, yourself included)?

Respectfully.

Lou in NJ says:

Liberal College girl was right!! You people would have exectuted the nearest free suspected child molester and it turns out this was NOT a sex crime. It was 2 teens that wanted bike parts.

LCG was right on!

@Lou

Personally I have no problem executing child molesters. The laws are too lenient toward them AND murderers. Anyone who thinks otherwise places more value on criminals than law-abiding citizens. "An honest man has nothing to fear."

I think that most of you people should actually read the article. Two teenage brothers 15 and 17 years old, no sign of sexual assault, they did it for bike parts.

playamade did you read the artical they have got the boys that done this ages 15 and 17, the body was found in the recycel bin at there home and the little girls bike was found inside there home. In reading the artical I get that there own parents feel that they did this. Do you need more proof. In Seattle they used to have a hanging tree on the corner of 3rd ave and james st, frankly I think they need to put one back. would be a great place to have a family picnik on a sunny day and watch them get read of some of these low life pieces of ........ ...... ... I think even you can fill in the dots.

Here's something I hadn't really thought of and it really hasn't been discussed. What difference does it make whether we execute a murderer publicly or privately? Isn't it the same thing to the executed? Are they any less dead? Does the state with death penalty statues have LESS power to execute murderers if it is done privately? Why are people bothered seeing what will happen regardless?

Perhaps our squeemishness about public executions is as hypocritcal as those who can't stand the thought of murdering an animal for food yet eat meat at restaurants with no qualms or guilty conscience. As long as 'someone else' does the dirty work and we don't have to see it, it's all fine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Take them out and I mean take them out in public for all the others that want to be like them. I really hope they get what they have coming to them. And no I dont mean sit in jail and live high and mighty on my tax dollars! I mean death!

Looks like it works for Saudi Arabia, they have a murder rate that is 25% of USA's rate. And the other nations near Saudi Arabia. All 25%.

Its not dangerous. It's proven to work. Just the opposite, public executions SAVES lives.

How much do you want to bet they have a smaller percentage of their population in jail? I don't know nor do I have to do a google search to see that liberal justice creates a higher prison population. And liberal justice puts other people at risk, non-criminal people.

Bicycle parts. WTF!! I'd punish their parents also. That is some fuched up $h!t. No excuse, reason, but no excuse.

Liberal College Girl... please DO NOT listen to most of the posts on this forum. As you can see, we have some hate-filled folks on here. I understand, as a parent, the desire to see the people who killed this little girl locked up or even executed for what they did to this little girl. But YOU have not wasted an education... your education has opened your eyes and broadened your horizons... something that most of these people have not had the opportunity to experience. Hopefully as you grow older, you will understand some of the emotions here but you won't become the hateful person these people have obviously become.

Keep your ears open, your eyes open, and absorb all of the educational opportunities before you. Wanting to see someone hanging in the street is barbaric and fortunately this great country does now allow this sort of thing. I really have no desire to resort to the barabaric behaviors of some of the middle eastern countries and hang people in the streets or drag their bodies through the town. When citizens of the U.S. want us to do it like they do it in Afghanistan.... well, their voices are not worth listening to. Remember that! Proud of you for continuing your education!!! You won't be as dumb as most of these people and that's a good thing!!!

The time has come to change the laws in our country and stop protecting those who kill, rape, steal, abuse children sexually, abuse animals because they are one, etc, etc.... These two future lifers need the .25 cent solution as do many others in our country. We should go to every prison in the country and hook up canisters of cyanide gas to the HVAC system and turn the knobs! If your in there, too bad, we do not want you back out on the streets and your gene pool needs to stop. I'm sick and tired of seeing bad people get away with so much that makes the cost of living skyrocket for the rest of us. A new political party needs to be formed.....THE LIVE RIGHT OR DIE PARTY! I bet the Republicans and the Democrats would be overwhelmed with this new third parties political power within 5-10 years!

If you are a dna-convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt sex offender or murderer, you should not have the luxury of living out your life in prison. Nor should the normal good people of america be forced to shack you up with tax $'s. Yeah yeah death row costs more, but there are plenty of cheaper ways to get rid of them. Okay, you killed someone so to punish you we are gonna set you up with a bed, a free home, free clothes, free food, free healthcare, freeFREEFREE etc until you die a ripe old age! That sounds great not scary. Isn't that backhandedly rewarding them? Idc how barbaric that sounds, rape and murder is barbaric and where was their sympathy when they were destroying someone else's lives? I say make them buy their own bullet and get rid of them asap before they hurt anyone else.

Only a sociopath would enjoy harming someone and these people do not care nor are they likely to ever change. They are born that way. And if they do change, who cares because they are wasting away in prison serving no purpose to society anyway. Would you hire them? Want to share an elevator with them? They have already shown they are willing to do whatever they please and harm people if not worse despite what the law says so to let them out is not only dangerous its disgusting. I don't get why anyone would sympathize with these people.

As for the deterrent of death penalty, those with no fear of the consequences of their actions and total disreguard for general public morality are usually nuts and dangerous.

Liberal College Girl:

If these message boards had a rep system, I would rep you.

Not because of anything you said, but just because your one post made everyone forget the original post and start criticizing your statement. 150 posts of people whose jimmies you rustled.

I'm not sure if you're trolling on purpose or not (your name seems like obvious bait, imo), but it was quality trolling nonetheless.

Keep it up. Srs.

First..my sincere condolences to the parents, family, and friends of this young girl. This tragedy tears at the heart of our spirit. Even though we raised two daughters into adulthood, imagining a loss of this nature defies all logic and morality. It is the ultimate nightmare for a parent to lose a child to violence or predatory acts of soulless monsters.

Comments directed at "liberal college girl" disregarded the clarity and maturity of her reaction to those who would fundamentally change our system to satisfy their anger and disgust at this horrific crime. I have to applaud her for reminding us that we are a nation of laws and we strive to protect "due process", even for those whose crimes we abhor.

Secondly, next time you want to demean someone who calls herself(or himself) self a "liberal", maybe you need to research the origin of the term. Being an American and protecting freedoms isn't easy or automatic. Sometimes it's a goal for which we strive on a daily basis. Reread your post tomorrow and maybe send her a note.

@Barlow- You hit the nail on the head. There are certain crimes which are heinous enough to indicate that the perpetrator lacks a "soul". Dead on the inside. An ADULT, or near-adult, who would kill a human being over bike parts/tennis shoes/drugs/etc. is too far gone to be redeemed. Child molesters, also, can almost never be redeemed- their recidivism rate is, what, like 97%? It simply serves no purpose to keep them alive. If they are tried, convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, and especially if there is DNA evidence, they should be put to death. Not publicly, Liberal College Girl is right, and not by torturous means. Simply because public executions and torture make US less human. But yeah, we should execute them. Not as a deterrent. Fear may deter an opportunistic criminal, but not a true sociopath. Not as vengeance, either. Retailation is unlikely to accomplish anything, such as making up for what the victims' family has lost. But what their execution absolutely will do, is protect society from that particular criminal. If they are dead, they can never, ever carry out their particular crime again. If they are in jail, alive, there is the possibility that they can. They could act against another prisoner, or they could escape.

And to whomever it was who said that this kind of stuff happens because of all the athiests (not knowing right from wrong and all,) will you please grow a brain and realize that one does not need to believe in God to know right from wrong! In fact, most of us athiests go through life choosing to do the right thing simply because it IS the right thing, and we DO know right from wrong. As opposed to doing the right thing because we fear being smitten by the wrath of God.

My heart absolutely goes out to this family. May you someday, somehow find peace, and in the meantime, may you at least get some measure of justice.

I bet you a million dollars the girl is going to get off with a slap on the wrist while the guy spends life in jail.

i'm thinking that most of you have not read the article, the killers are children also, not some roaming band of pedophile psycho's, those of you who claim to be christians, you are not, you are the voice of the mob. you love clint eastwood so why did you not get the message in the film hang 'em high? BTW prison is no cakewalk, pedators are usually preyed upon. these 2 boys will find lots of new "friends" when they enter the system

For several posters above. What you have to remember is that most people are not rational clear minded individuals but rather irrational emotional people that have reading comprehension problems... That explains the diatribe into pedophiles and comments such as "if they would have executed the pedophiles up this wouldn't have happened".

Also for the comment "An honest man has nothing to fear." Are you really that naive to believe that the justice system is completely flawless or uncorruptible? I certainly hope it's naivety as opposed to stupidity because the former can at least be fixed with some reading. Maybe you simply missed the headlines of individuals released from death row when new evidence exonerated them? If so, I would highly recommend reading about the recent exoneration in Illinois. I would also recommend reading the case of Jon Graham Burge.

Also, for geegeebur if you're going to post stats, at least back them up with some sort of source....

Recidivism rates of sexual offenders of various categories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender

Cliffnotes

Rate for sexual offender 5.3%

In one study 2.5% of released rapist were rearrested for another rape. Rearrested, not meaning convicted.

A study from 1983 to 2010 showed a 9% recidivism rate vs. a 42% recidivism rate for other felony convictions

4300 child molesters were released from prison in 15 states in 1994. 3.3% of them were rearrested for another child molestation case within 3 years.

Only murder has a lower recidivism rate than sexual offenses.

So, I'm not sure where you get this 97% number from.

Execute these thugs immediately and publicly. Charge admission. Have a raffle. The winner gets to pull the switch. Sell tickets and give the proceeds to the grieving parents.

GRRrrr

And by the way, I AM a liberal!

Just wondering how many people on here, that are advocating execution for these 2 perps, would CLAIM to be Christians. WWJD? Under WHAT circumstances would Jesus Christ advocate for exucution. Bunch of FAKE Christians.

Don't get me wrong, after they were convicted, I'd march them out back of the courthouse, make them dig their own graves, and then put a .45 round in the back of their heads - but I'm not a Christian.

Liberal, I'm not going to make some snotty remark about your age or your ideals. Once upon a time they were mine, too. I'm going to give you some very real and useful advice. Hold your opinion on the death penalty and those who support it for about ten years or so. You ARE young (and I am NOT inferring you are unintelligent for it) and you will see a lot in those ten years. I became a firefighter/paramedic, and then I saw first hand the evil things people do to one another. A man got in to an argument with his wife so he tied a rope to her feet and dragged her twenty miles with a moped until she was dead. I saw these things weekly for fourteen years. Yes, there are circumstances that might mitigate the death penalty, but sometimes people ARE so bad that it removes all doubt they will hurt others. These two boys KILLED a twelve year old girl...for BIKE PARTS. Does this not speak of frightening dispositions? I respect the strength of your convictions, but I'm advising you to beware as the world may well change them.

Wow...I got only halfway through and noticed no one had offered condolences to the family and friends of little Autumn. My prayers to them.

I also noticed a plethora of comments on molestation and sexual abuse...do you people comprehend what you are reading? There was no mention of that (in fact, said "no sign of"). And the 2 perps in-question are 15 & 17 yr. old brothers, but many of you seem to have missed that, as well. The 17 yr. old will likely be tried as an adult, and the 15 yr. old is borderline. And the father sounds like an idiot. I've been following Autumn's disappearance...my kiddo is only 2 yrs. older and I freak when I am unable to contact them. Most parents are that way (not all). Which is sad...when I grew up, roaming for hours was a freedom that children cannot now have.

Liberal College Girl never said the guilty persons should not be executed. She is simply taking issue with a public execution. I do not consider myself a liberal but I agree with her. Publicly executing them would not really make a difference to these two. The only people who would be affected, and negatively at that, would be the rest of society. I am no stranger to violence and have served in areas where violence by government is publice and brutal. Although I cannot tell you how many people were deterred by this, I can tell you that those societies were on the whole extremely violent. It maybe that those societies would have been even more violent without the public display of government violence. However I doubt it.

These two monsters will contribute nothing to society the rest of their lives, waste the legal system's and taxpayers' money and resources, and don't deserve to sit in jail the rest of their lives while we pay for it. Death penalty. Now.

Thank you Solomon. Someone who actually friggin read her post before commenting how she's some beatnik hippie.

When a man attempts to kill another man, he takes off his humanity and is no longer a man. He is an animal. There is no wrong in putting down such an animal.

Perhaps this bit of budhist wisdom should be applied to those who do such dispicable acts, clearly they have removed their humanity.

Antistupidity

Debbie's mother went after them civilly and took everything they had, left nothing for the families that raised these monsters.

I almost agree with you on everything you said, however.

The path that children take in life cannot be predicted, Good children raised in a loving home can still turn into society's trash.

I see no need to punish the family for one persons actions - Unless they defended the killers actions. If the family had no part in the killing- the anger pointed at them is unjustified.

Creature girl: Still not impressed with your ideology. Though my previous comment was collapsed because of FOS. Why I wouldn't understand except for the fact FOS is written. It means in my opinion your definition of logic is full of you know what. The phrase I know people in college is not impressive.

it is a double tragedy that the murderers were children themselves, that is two families that have lost their children. i do agree that these boys deserve to be tried and prosecuted as adults. what they have done is atrocious and it really says something about their home life if they were willing and able to kill over a bike!

I hope there is a race riot in that town...this kind of attitude was not produced overnight - it was fostered in those children as they grew up...this was a hate crime pure and simple - but the media will try to paint the black kids as victims...let's see the outrage from the black community in the same fever as they did for Treyvon...I won't hold my breath...

Public executions do not deter things like this murder. There have been public executions all over the Earth for thousands of years. Notice any difference? They only make some of us feel better. However, these two psychopaths should either be executed (just to get them off the Earth permanently) or incarcerated until they die. It's too late for them to be rehabbed, they're goners.

Anyone who doesn't have the balls to commit to a public hanging for violent offenders is just as bad as the violent offender themselves. They coddle them, secure them behind protective walls with food, internet, TV, a bed, restroom, showers, a place to work out and play, and even a college education.

Yes, you're right, the people who don't want to perpetuate violence with more violence are the problem. (end sarcasm). As for the rest of this garbage... why are people so stupid as to assume that just because you don't agree with public executions, that means you don't agree with executions at all? And, even if you don't agree with he death penalty, why does that automatically mean you want to "coddle them". There are any number of different stands that can be taken. Mine, personally, is that I don't believe in the death penalty. What I do believe is that people can be sent to prison for life, meaning their WHOLE LIFE and not x number of years with parole. And I certainly don't want them living in any type of luxury. Give them a bed, toilet, basic clothing, basic food and maybe a book. Nothing more. Then they can spend the rest of their life thinking about what they did.

I read her post, basedrum, in its entirety. While I agree that public execution can have negative effects, I also see another side of it...as a PARENT. You see, I RAISED my kids I did not PANDER to them. I DISCIPLINED my children not coddled them. Teens and young adults are rarely being taught boundaries and consequences at home any more. The MAJORITY, to some greater or lesser extent, believe they can act with impunity. Perhaps many of these borderline kids might think twice if they see one or two of their peers pay the ultimate price. Public execution should never be a SPORT, but I firmly believe it can teach. In truth I feel horrible for BOTH families. The family of the victim for obvious reasons. The family of the two in custody because, no matter if they were good parents or not, NO ONE wants to see their children commit such heinous acts.

Why the hell are white people not raising hell. How can these boys every be given a chance to live? Even if it is in prison. One person mentioned other kids seeing a public execution and I dont agree with that either. But their should be a venue and tickets bought for the viewing of these people's execution. And one more free thing to the prison population would be free streaming live video of the execution. Its a shame that things are the way that they are but it is what it is. The white people are going to have to come alive and put the fear into the other races and when a white person does this, kill them first in front of the black man or mexican or whatever. A cleansing is what this nation is needing more than anything. All the people on death row or in prison for life should be taken out and shot today. I have a good friend that went to prison for killing a man. He was in there for 5 years. He got out and was out about 3 years before he shot and killed his daddy, now he's in there for another 13 years.. When he gets out this time he will kill his mother, after all thats who he was trying to get when his dad step in front of the mother. He was my best friend when we were younger and we had even been out cutting wood the same day that he then killed the first guy that night. He needs to be taken out and shot with the rest of them. Period.

Orly-4376386

I see no need to punish the family for one persons actions - Unless they defended the killers actions. If the family had no part in the killing- the anger pointed at them is unjustified.

They are fully justified, most of the "buddys" family has been incarcerated,charges ranging from child molestation, armed robbery, assault on a police officer, burglary, forgery, another murder, trafficking in stolen merchandise, manufacture and distribution of meth, felony fleeing, uttering a forged document, and there are multiple counts on some of the charges, oh yeah one of his nephews committed suicide after being molested by another family member.

The boyfriend had kidnapped a previous girlfriend in the same manner, but she survived, and the family stood behind him and defended him 200%, it also came out that he had a prior arrest and conviction for trafficking in cocaine, several years prior.

So yeah the family's are not real good people either.

For quite a few posters who are attacking the anger at pedophiles, when I posted my first post we only knew that her body had been found and since child kidnappings very often turn out this way it was pretty much assumed. Through the course of the day we found out more details as updates were released. Compare the post times with the update times starting from the earliest and you will see the pattern.

Once again that still does not justify the attacks on Liberal College Girl.

To those who do not believe in execution because they say it is not a deterrent:

Execution IS indeed a deterrent! It will deter the criminal from ever committing another crime.

As for public exections: Televise it on PayperView. Sell tickets to see it live. Have a raffle, and the winner throws the switch.

Quit coddling murderers!

Okay just stop. What the hell is wrong with this picture. I have read several posts where judgmental morons blame Autumn's parents for letting a 12 year old ride her bike. Are you people serious? Let's hold the boys parents responsible. Where would you start? Not teaching them to respect all human life? Loving money and holding it higher than the value of a life? How bout the boys had stolen bikes before and were allowed an environment where there were allowed to build up a stock pile of stolen parts in their basement. Let's hold the boys responsible. These were not little white bread boys who didn't know what they were doing. They were accomplished thieve's who were in for the money no matter what. I pray all the horrible things I have heard about prison are true.

As for Public Execution let the family carry out the sentence.

They'd still hurt kids. It's what they do.

sighs...what is happening to our country.... first the little 10 year old girl...then the barrista... now this poor little girl........we HAVE to protect our children better and we HAVE to be more aware of what's going on around us. It makes me so sad how these 3 girls suffered so much before they were taken from this world and the people who love them.

On-line news on NBCNews today:

> PA Police: Grandma found dead, baby missing

> Oregon barista was raped, shot by neighbor

> Cops: Dead man wearing armor found at shooting scene

> Body of missing NJ girl found in recycling bin

In the past few weeks it was

> Jessica Ridgeway's murder

> Hair salon shooting in Florida

It looks like hunting season is starting early this year.

Not saying who did this to the poor girl..but it sure does look like so far a teen did it for her bike..this is just my opinion!

News of this from other news sites say:

Three teenage brothers live at the home where the bike and backpack were found, said two friends of the brothers, Na’eem Williams and Jodie Robinson, both 16. One of the teens in the home traded BMX bike parts, according to a young man, Corey Hewes, 19, who said he was among those who traded with him.

The house was a place where teens frequently hung out and had parties, some neighbors said.

So sad. Even sadder is that they are juveniles. They need to be hung and the Dad needs to face charges for harboring the little bastards actions.

Welcome... to the insane asylum of the universe.

"Don't overestimate the decency of the human race." H.L. Menken

i have an 11 yo daughter. she gets mad when i dont want her riding her bike to her friends house. pretty sad when i was a kid we didnt have to worry pedofile freaks like these a holes

I know what you mean!!! We used to leave our doors open all night and the screen door unfastened and NEVER worried that someone would come in on us... what has this world come to????? Such a shame!

whoever did this is an animal. probably someone who already served time in prison for the same thing but was released. these people cannot be rehabilitated!! one day maybe the law will realize that...

I doubt someone killed a child and was released from prison. Think before you post.

My heart goes out to this family. There is no excuse for something like this to happen in the civilized world.

Liberal College Girl, while Afgganistan should not be the role model for any civilized society, you must understand that criminals of this caliber [pedophiles, child killers] cannot be 'cured'. Long prison terms, even life behind bars, won't miraculously erase the damages they carry and it will never bring justice to their victims or their family. They will be nothing but an added burden to our already overtaxed criminal system. The laws in this country are too lenient, the defense lawyers too slick - and because of that innocent children die. You don't cure cancer by putting it in jail for a while. You cure cancer by killing it.

Leave your screen doors unlocked? How naive.

takenaka

Murderes of children and adults get released all the time. Especially if it is a first offense. Remember the justice system is one of possible rehab not punishment.

Convicted child killer Michael Woodmansee is scheduled to be released early from prison this August, but John Foreman vows to kill Woodmansee if he gets out.

To the fury of Foreman's father, Woodmansee, who is now 52, is set to be released from prison in August, 12 years before his prison sentence is complete. He is getting out early for good behavior.

Remember, a lot of these whack jobs know their victims....

glock and shelia, you are correct that the state of our world is sad. However, the incidents of violent crimes (including child abduction and murder) is down over the last 5 or so decades. So while you may feel less safe today, in reality you are actually less in danger than when you were a kid.

Kareeme, Woodmansee was released from prison in Sept, 2011 and is now in a mental institution.

These things did happen when we were children. We just didn't have the mass media coverage and internet to inform us of these crimes. I can remember several incidents of crimes against children and women from when I was younger in my community.

It is true that these things have always happened. Modern media gives an unequaled about of media coverage to these kinds of crimes. Not sure if that is bad or good. It is comforting to the families to think people are looking for their child all over the country, but I also think it feeds the fantasies of these sick people to hear about the crimes.

We have always lived in an unsafe world, we just didn't know about it on a moments notice.

Onemanonewomanmarriage - WTF are you talking about? How again is this an Obama thing? You're pathetic for taking advantage of the situation to score political points. As a father of 3 daughters I'm offended beyond belief that someone could be so callous.

I've spent most of my life, (65) living in small rural communities, in Oregon and Hawaii. We still leave our front doors unlocked. But because of all the media coverage, even in rural communities you get to watch, real time, when something like this is reported. Someone posted, that things like this shouldn't happen in civilized societies and their right. All over the world there are people with uncivilized hearts, that take whatever they want, hurt whoever they choose, and even kill if the have too. This is where we have to fight, to make sure, that there are less and less of these people every year. If you commit certain crimes you don't get to live.

Having a problem here with the term liberal, I am one except on certain things...YES the death penalty needs to come back every where in the United States...I so believe that if there is undeniable proof (not just a reasonable doubt) they should automatically get the death penalty with in a month max for ANYONE who MURDERS child or adult & ANYONE that RAPES a child..these are not "fixable" criminals..I don't care if they claim mental problems....those crimes are unacceptable.

Antistupidity

Debbie's mother went after them civilly and took everything they had, left nothing for the families that raised these monsters.

I almost agree with you on everything you said, however.

The path that children take in life cannot be predicted, Good children raised in a loving home can still turn into society's trash.

I see no need to punish the family for one persons actions - Unless they defended the killers actions. If the family had no part in the killing- the anger pointed at them is unjustified.

Oh My! I have a heavy heart reading these words from U. We all need 2 pray 4 her ASAP!! Please, ANYBODY that knows anything of this 14yr old girl, Tammy Marie Avila's disappearance PLEASE call authorities @ once...PLEASE!! If not then sending your prayers right now, 2day R gr8ly appreciated!! Lets Pray 4 her now PLEASE:

Dear Heavenly Father, Please shine your heavenly light on this beautiful missing young lady of only 14. She has been lost or taken somehow & can not find her way back home. She needs you to help her find her way back to safety & her family who is desperately missing her!! Please show her the way back home no matter if she is still here on earth or in your divine presence & care now. Her family & the rest of the waiting world who is currently seeking her safe return is on pins & needles waiting for an answer & need closure on this immediately. We do not know the circumstances of her disappearance, only that she has vanished & has not returned home. Girls this age are curious of this great big world & may unintentionally put themselves in danger or put themselves in a situation that invited evil to find them. Please send her home as she is so lost that every crucial moment can decide her fate one way or another. We ask that you bring her home to her family safe & sound if at all possible but that you bring her back regardless of the extenuating details so that her family may care for her & grieve or get on with their lives with her. Being in limbo is painful on everyone awaiting her return & the quiet times wondering, just wondering about this child proves to be excruciating. Please hear our cries, pleas, & requests to find her & bring her back to us at your very earliest convenience. Thank you God. We lay this pridicament in your amazing & miraculous hands. Please give us the help we need to find her as we hold our breaths in waiting. In Jesus' name we pray!!! Thank You!!!

To Amanda Kaye Rule ~ May you find some peace in this even though I know U are in pain, but rest assure that God IS currently in charge of the situation. God speed 2 U & your family @ this time.

@takenaka - There are plenty of murderers who were convicted on lesser charges that did and do get out of jail and kill again. There are even those who murder and get out because of liberal sentences, paole boards, over crowding of prisons, "rehabilitation", etc. Please do not pretend that it does not happen!

Amanda...this link won't work for me.

Sentence for Convicted Child murderers should be the Death Penalty, and this should be a Federal crime, so the individual states can't interfer.

No 15yrs on death row. Why give them more life than their victims got? 6mos tops. With DNA and other advances in evidence technology if there is NO doubt this person did it, then they get ONE appeal for mercy. Then the needle.

Taliban infested human civilization. Send the kids the Taliban where they belong. They are useful for DRONE target practice.

I have a feeling this is a serial killer out there who gets his/her off doing this sort of thing,

???? It's in the article that is was two neighbor boys.

@Zapper. I completely agree with you! However, thanks to ridiculous lawyers, judges and, organizations like the ACLU, the perps are the protected class. America needs to wake up.

@farmall48 -- I realize my wish for a more "deterrent" penalty finds less receptive ears. However, the only "cure" for the monster that commits actions, such as these, is permanent removal from society. One way or another, the penalty needs to be advertised to anyone even thinking of doing such horrors.

We live in a world where immediate gratification, video resurrection, and on-demand service are the norms. Folks have forgotten that hard work, intense labor, and focus on the end results is how we EARNED what we have. Those who have not experienced (or forgotten) the efforts that allow us to live in relative comfort may feel that they can use or abuse whatever/whenever/however/whomever. They take what they want, and discard the rest. This throw-away mentality may be one of the catalysts that let people believe that they can become monsters, and no penalties exist to punish them. We need to change that misconception.

Penalties for these horrors must equal the crime. The old "eye for an eye" adage should hold true and be applied. Rehabilitation does not happen for these kind of murderous offender(s); their behavior is hard-wired into their psyches. Our only option is to remove them to protect all of us. The sooner, the better.

Again, Zapper, I completely concur. I'm sure a lot of these touchy-feely-we-can't-use-the-death-penalty thinking people would abruptly change their minds if it were one of their loved ones brutally murdered.

I am so deeply saddened by this news this morning. Yet again, another young girl innocently riding her bike to a friend's house abducted and murdered. Colorado, Oregon, Iowa....everywhere! Just sick! My heart goes out to this family and the others who have children murdered.

Public execution is not an answer. We should not resort to barbaric tactics. Public hangings didn't work out so well during the Salem Witch Trials, did it? I didn't think I believed in the death penalty, but in cases like this, I think I do, however, I do not want to stand in the town square and cheer this on. The "Hunger Games was entertaining, but it was fiction.

It would be wonderful if we didn't have lawyers manipulating laws, loopholes, etc. In this era, there can be undeniable evidence proving guilt. Get rid of endless appeals!!! Mental illness? Not an excuse any longer...we all can claim some sort of personality defect in this day and age and have some lawyer taylor it as a cause for ANYTHING! Right from wrong...it's a basic instinct for 98% of the population. (I have no basis for that #, other than common sense) No more 10+ yrs on death row. Everything done within 2 yrs.

Much love to Autumn's family. God Bless you all. No family deserves the pain you are feeling and will live with forever.

Shi, I appreciate your point; however, you prove mine. You don't want to watch a public hanging. Why? Because they are horrible, terrible, frightening--deterrents. Again, you mention fiction of the movies. I believe I mentioned those sorts of things in my second posting regarding "video resurrection." Too many are embracing fiction as reality, but the reset button doesn't work in reality.

I would be much happier if we lived in a safe and docile world where we helped one another, pulled together, enjoyed the company of others. Unfortunately, I think that's found only in Farmville. Death doesn't know or understand the "reset" button. A lot of people don't understand or care that death is forever. They've never earned what they have, so they don't value it. It's sad, but true.

Again, my deepest sympathy to the family. I hope I never need face their scenario.

During the Salem Witch Trials the "witches" were innocent. Bad example. Anyone who has killed a child should die, public or not. There can't be the chance of them being released on a technicality. It should be a federal crime, subject to the federal death penalty so if it happens in a state without it, it won't matter.

I agree with Zapper. I have three children,two of which r girls. My oldest is 15 and my mother thinks it is silly of me to not let her go anywhere alone. But hearing about this poor girl just strenghthens my resolve, and believe that noone can let their children go anywhere alone. And I am usaully against taking someone else's life but seeing as how these people cannot keep their hands of our children, I say HELL YEAH! Put them to death and yes make it public and painful as possible.Then hopefully others who think about taking our children will stop and think about what will happen to them!!!

I agree with Zapper. I have three children,two of witch r girls.My oldest is 15 and my mother thinks I'm silly for not letting her go anywhere by herself.But hearing about this poor child just strenghthens my resolve and my belief that noone should let their children go anywhere alone no matter their age! And I am not usaully one for condoning taking someone's life,but seeing as how these people can't keep their hands off our kids, I say HELL YEAH! Put them to death and yes make it public and as painful as possible and then maybe the next person will stop and think about what will happen to them if they touch our children!!!!!

17 and 15 year-old-brothers? The monsters are getting younger and younger. I asked my 17 year-old-grand daughter what she thought about all this. Her thoughts were: they knew exactly what they were doing, and they knew it was a murderous crime. (This is the "nicest" way I can say it. She included some others words, and a little bit different order, and a quite a few more exclamation points, but you get the drift.) And for something like bike parts? What was it that I wrote early about a throw-away culture? This horror gets worse by the minute.

I agree.... there is something seriously wrong with children today. Much of it is that they are being "raised" by really screwed up adults.

Depressing beyond words...

A great deal of the "villiagers" are sickos. Dont count on anyone else.

My husband and I were talking about this yesterday...but we went a little farther in that we think once it is determined who took a life...we should bring back the lynch mob.

I know it seems barbaric to some...but let me tell you, if consequences were scary and barbaric...I think we'd have a few folks not so willing to "pay the price".

But when we had lynch mobs, "crime" didn't go down. Do you think the people who were lynched even had a trial before they were killed? Read a history book and maybe you will see that mob mentality is all fun and games until they come after you.

I don't think "lynch mobs" are the answer, but having swift, public executions would certainly deter some people from taking the chance. Right now anyone contemplating such a crime knows that even if they're caught, they'll get a nice comfortable life in a facility nicer than some homes... without having to pay a dime.

GP, do you know anything about prison at all? It is not comfortable! Prisoners are abused and raped and they do not live in comfort, unless they are involved with the corrupt prison system. They do not spend their days doing nothing; in fact, airlines and credit companies hire prisoners to do their customer service work so they can pay them less or nothing. It's pretty much slavery. That sounds comfortable to you?

@pushingbikes. It's WAY more comforatble than what they deserve. I'd have them all on chain gangs, complete with a mounted, and armed guard. Bottom line is......don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Problem solved. Simple. Public executions......YES!

Farmall, you know not everyone in prison is guilty right? Somebody help you if you are ever accused of something you didn't do and you can't prove otherwise. Then how would you feel about public executions?

Yep. When talking with those losers, everybody is innocent. Once proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt (ever hear of that thing called DNA, hon?) either to the chain gang or, the gallows/gas chamber/firing squad.

"once it is determined who took a life...we should bring back the lynch mob"

I have picked up many books on History...and read them too. Perhaps you "pushingbikes" should pick up a course on reading comprehension?

I agree with you TC my daughter is only 5 but I wouold sit in prison for the rest of my life casue I would kill the sick sob I too am tired of hearing about another innocent child being taken and murdered we need to start protecting our children not these pervs and if the law isn't going to do it then they should allow us

Holy crap. If you can't see the difference between a fetus and a child, you need your head examined. Further your comments are trivializing this girl's death and is tacky.

Take your sad sack political trolling elsewhere. The usual " pro life bull@!$%#" It's no big deal if someone is killed once they are born but, an unborn child killed is unexscusable. This poor girl life has been ended and all you can think of is, How can I make this a pro life issue. STFU

I so agree. A child is gift not a mistake. GOD doesn't make mistakes and if u cannot keep a child give some one else the chance to love it. Just let it live.

@ Breeze... Every unborn deserves a chance at life... If you screw up your chances, like kill a child or someone else, then sure... zap them in the electric chair... There's nothing wrong with giving people chances.. it's when they don't do anything productive or cause harm there's no sense of continuing to help them.

This happened more in the old days than it does now; we just hear about it all the time. We shelter our kids so much, they don't know how to be alone or take care of themselves.

And newsflash, there is a huge chance the killer was a friend or relative of this girl's. Do you watch your kids all the time when they are over Uncle Eddie's house?

I don't know how old your daughter is. But I remember a case a few years back of two little girls, I think around 5 or 6 years old, playing in front of the house, and the grandma was home. One was kidnapped by a man from the neighborhood. The other girl ran immediately into the house to tell the grandma, but there was, of course, nothing she could do. It happened in seconds. It is so horrible that we parents have to consider the possibility of something like this happening! Unless your daughter is old enough to fend off an abductor, I wouldn't let her play alone in the front yard. I am sure a lot of people will think I'm an over-protective mother.

She is 12 and she does not play alone. I would NEVER let a young child play alone outside. pushingbikes, I'm sure that happens, mabey you need to take a good look at your relatives.

Kathleen, that's interesting because I do have an uncle in prison for molesting a child and I hope he never gets out. I also have another uncle who is an absolute creep and I would trust most strangers around kids before I would trust him.

Good luck reigning in your daughter once she becomes a teenager and she is sneaking out of the house because you babied her all of her life. 12 and can't go outside alone? That's sad for both of you.

First off, this wasn't any kind of "sick" individual preying on our children as you are seemingly implying. This was a depraved act by two punks who should have been taught better. The mother and father should also be held accountable and sent to jail along with the kids. Maybe that's what we need in this country? If your child, even adult child, commits a crime then you should be held accountable. I'll bet THAT will force some people to actually @!$%#ing RAISE their kids, instead of having virtual nannies everywhere.

Secondly, the reason why you hear about it so much now is because of that glowing box with talking heads shouting at you all day. Turn off the TV, get off Facebook and Farmville and go out into the world once in awhile. It's not that scary of a place, but if you act like a deer in headlights the world will treat you like a deer in headlights and the result is usually not pleasant for the deer or the headlights.

pushingbikes, I hope you don't have any daughters.

I agree that all pedophiles should be put in prison for life. Not just murder or rape offenses, but molestation cases as well. What happens when these bastards get out after 5-10 years? They usually reoffend, and are usually the ones that murder the innocent. Most all child rapists/murderers have a criminal history that involves some type of sex crime. How can we hand out life sentences for drugs, and 5-10 year sentences for child molestation???? Something is seriously wrong with this country and this useless justice system that we have in place.

Agreed. Pedophiles (down to molestation), aggravated rape, and premeditated murder should have a life in prison requirement. Period.

I completely agree. If everyone knows that these sick people cannot be rehabilitated, they should not be allowed out of jail or some kind of hospital. But no one wants to pay the taxes to keep them in there, so they are let out because the prisons need more room for drug users. Then they get put on a list and commit the same crimes again and again. Maybe if we stopped panicing about people smoking weed, we would have room for all these sickos who should not be on the streets!

NO! they should be KILLED not put away for us tax payers to house. Electric Chair would do the job nicely.

The uncle did it.

The electric chair would do nicely.

"What the hell is goung on with PEOPLE".....do they qualify as "PEOPLE"?.

notterribly thoughtful of you to blame the parents, who are suffering right now. Blame the sick peron who killed her. It is his fault entirely.

I did not blame the parents, I was stating that many people believe since they live in a safe town it can not happen to them, but it can. Sorry If I mislead you..

I am so glad I do not have children....this world is too scary...

Parents can't win. You get criticized for letting your kids play outside without keeping your eye on them every second (in your own fenced yard, no less), you get criticized for hovering over your kids, criticized for not making them play outside more to stay healthy and criticized for making them stay in the house. I, personally, don't let my kids out of my sight for a second and I don't care what criticism comes with that. I talk to them regularly about trusting others, men and women alike. I don't like to scare them but someone has to talk with them about the freaks that run rampant in our society.

Lets just get to the root of the problem: terminate pedophiles.

Cookie is right. It is not the parents' fault, not in the slightest. However, it's also true that this could happen to anyone, and the only way to prevent it, unfortunately, is to not allow your child freedom. It is very unlikely to happen but can happen. How I wish there was some other way!

Dang...won't retract my statement on terminating pedophiles but the fact she was killed for BIKE PARTS puts us in a whole new ballpark. Wow, didn't see that one coming. So, do people still believe underage killers still deserve a second chance? If they are willing to kill for bike parts ,what next? Sad.

If you are 17 and 15, in my eyes you are a adult. If they killed for bike parts, they are really warped and they should receive death, since NJ nixed that option, life with no chance of parol. Can you imagine these guys in general population at a prison?

That's probably what will happen. Ridiculous! We need to have change!

need to get the word out to the other prisoners, what these punks did. maybe they will take care of them the right way !!! and they should have pictures of these dirtbags up, adult or not

These boys who killed this girl for bicycle parts will find out in prison that their bunkmates will be using their bodies for parts.

Such a shame to waste taxpayer money putting these punks in prison.

College is is the problem.. She want's these people to keep doing these sick thing's..I'd rather have my tax dollars support a dog or cat..The rest of their life then people like this.....Why is it wrong to kill these sick people that will only keep doing it till they die???