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Benjamin K. Bishop is charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the shotgun slayings of his mother, Imari Shibata, and her boyfriend, Kelley Allen, both 49, at the mother's home in Oldsmar.
Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said Bishop shot the pair multiple times early Sunday morning following a series of arguments with his mother.
According to a sheriff’s press release:
Bishop advised detectives that on Saturday, October 27th, his mother told him to get a job, take his medicine for his mental health issues, and to start paying rent. Bishop said he also had a discussion with Allen over the laundry. Saturday night, Bishop said he was angry and retrieved the shotgun after the arguments, loaded the weapon and shot his mother and Allen in their bedroom. He told detectives he then reloaded the shotgun and shot them again.
Bishop called 911 to report the shootings and surrendered to deputies at his front door, sheriff’s officials said.
Detectives said a friend bought the shotgun for Bishop a couple of weeks ago at a local shop for $279. Bishop pawned a number of electronic items to get money to buy it, saying he needed the weapon for protection from gang members, according to the sheriff’s office.
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Bishop has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, the sheriff said. He requires medication for his mental health issues and reportedly had not always taken his medication as required, according to investigators.
The sheriff said Bishop was still on probation for a 2011 domestic battery incident in which he allegedly struck his mother and tried to strangle her.
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Nothing like a considerate whoring dog to buy your schizophrenic son a firearm. Go USA.
Team America, phuck yeah!
The mother did not by the gun. A friend of the son bought it for him.
Misogynist troll.
I never said his mother did. The article says that a friend of the schizphrenic son bought the weapon. A poster above me called the friend a dumb dog. I automatically assume this is some kind of divine insight asserting that his friend was a whoremonger. And under demonic control purchased this firearm to assist his other demonic whoring schizophrenic tool to execute his parents.
The forces of darkness are well ahead of us.
And I am well ahead of you. Don't put words in my mouth that I did not speak. Troll.
I think you need medication.
I think you need manners, or reading lessons.
Goldfish, proceed immediately to the nearest emergency room. You are completely out of touch with reality, and in need of medication and treatment.
How about, that teenagar was "serving his country", meaning... just killing... whatever...
Welcome to your new country, where you can't get medical care for anything, but you can go to prison for life instead.
Yay, 3rd world America is here! And you, YES YOU READING THIS, you let this happen.
Luckily we have you to save the day. If not for you none of the rest of us would have even noticed something was even amiss.
Can't medical care for anything? You mean the medication that he was prescribed and had available but was not taking despite his mother arguing with him that he should? Is that the medical care tha he couldn't get?
I think we are getting at why this kid was a misogynist. Young men need a man to lay down the law. Unmarried whores generally tend to antagonize males in their presence. Unfortunately whores generally tend to avoid marriage and its hard for any male offspring to recognize a boyfriend that a whore might be sleeping with as an authority figure or mentor capable of putting his foot down with this kids meds.
In more conservative times she wouldn't be sleeping with a boyfriend. She wait for a proper suitor capable of expressing some control over this kid, which she didn't have and apparently was attempting to use anger to control him. Psychologically this is damaging to young males. It can cause them to explode like this.
It's best to find a mentor your young man can respect, whose authority he respects to control your child. Sometimes anger is a necessary control, but it's bad when unmarried women do this their subordinate males. It's an explosive situation waiting to happen.
I think this is the reason why every church I have attended prohibits this. Cohabitation. Eventually its a cause for excommunication. The message is there on nearly every street corner. This message encourages women to rely upon a man's leadership and refrain from dominating young subordinate males, and this prevent misogynist young men from exploding. Actually it prevents the development of young misogynist males from developing in the first place.
Unfortunately some can't hear the message because they have American television moral standards blaring in their ears. Hyponotized into zombies.
You know who is really to blame for this. The hippies. The generation that rejected the churches and their parents generations conservative morality. A morality that was expressed and regulated even by television during the hippies parents generation.
They rebelled against their parents. The idea of an Christian male being the head of the house and marriage being the proper way to express sexuality continued to decline after the hippies overthrew their parent's generations morality.
No Christian males authority figures and marriage = misogynist young men.
Actually, goldfish, with your repeated use of the word "whore" in reference to the mother leads me to believe your equation should be written:
Christian male authority figures= misogynist young men
Your inability to respect a woman unless she is married is the definition of misogyny. Because heaven forbid a kid should respect his mom because she is, you know, HIS MOTHER. Your argument seems to be that misogyny is a logical and understandable outcome of women having authority over men, and therefore the only cure is to make sure that women don't have authority over men. Stop pretending that you are trying to fight misogyny. All you interested in doing is reinforcing.
Goldfish, I still stand by my statement: You are a misogynist troll who needs medication.
Yes you are right I don't respect them. I have seen them in action. The abuse their children often. They leave babies in trash cans and toilets rather than give children up for adoption. They fail to supervise their children. Allow their boyfriends to abuse them.
They murder people.
This goes for whoremongering males as well. Gangbangers running around popping caps in people's behinds, do you think that they are baptized Christians who have abandoned whoring or drug using whoring dogs under the control of demonic spirits who are protecting their spiritual turf of sin.
Whoring effects both sexes badly. If you had to take a guess. If you saw a guy or a girl engaged in road rage. Allowed someone to stroke their ego and then engage in a contest on the highway, would you guess that these are whores and whoremongers or baptized males and females who maintain some element of control over their own spirits by not subjecting their minds and spirits to demonic control as a result of whoring.
Recognizing the negative effects like abuse from sin is not misogynistic if the rules apply to both sexes. I avoid whoring males the same as I avoid whoring females.
In other words you are one of the people with the moral standards above whose behavior is not in line with some of the females I have attended church with, you are feeling guilty, attempting to justify your own behavior, by saying that I should give the same amount of respect to whores who antagonize their young subordinate males that I do the females I have attended church with who instill in their young men responsbility, leadership and respect by conducting themselves with some dignity and grace by avoiding whoring.
In other words you are a product of the Hippie free love generation that reject males Christian leadership, consumes immoral television entertainment, which results in many things. Whoring young males whose behavior leaves many females disillusioned with males, this gives rise to whoring females and feminazis who reject male affection altogether.
You know nothing about me Goldfish. I know you are a misogynist troll.
But of course you know everything about me. In other words you are a narcissist whose power to examine outshines my own.
Your own words have expressed that you are a misogynist.
I'm only a misogynist against whoring bitches.
Church women or women outside of church who have some morals in their bedroom are cool.
I find most whores to be abusive. Physically, emotionally, or they find non-direct ways of hurting people like lying or cheating.
You act like having misogynistic tendencies towards whoring bitches versus honest women from good homes who act nice, respect you, and treat you well is a bad thing.
You think I am bad? I remember a story in the Old Testament where a whore cast out Israel's camp, for a whole week she had to fend for her self.
Someone defended her, and the response to her defender was "If her father had only spit in her face would she not be ashamed for seven days"
I have never even spit in a whore's face or cast her out in the cold to fend for her own food and water.
Quite obviously, Goldfish, you have built up a tremendous amount of hatred and bitterness over issues from your past. However, newsvine is not the appropriate place for you to discuss your mental and emotional issues. Please, do go to the nearest emergency room. They can hospitalize you until you are somewhat stabilized, and then refer you for outpatient psychiatric services. It is clear that you are out of touch with reality and are very, very close to meeting the criteria necessary for involuntary committment.
Yeah, I'll get right on that.
Bettrer yet, why don't you have miscreant stop stalking me.
Uh, this would be the only thread I've ever spoken to you on, and I am very much regretting that decision. You frighten me Goldfish.
That wouldn't be hard to do. The first post when you called me a misogynist because I made a statement about the mother's son's friend being possibly a "dog" in reference to his friend(based upon a previous poster) not this kids mother, then you proceed to continue to label me based upon your lack of reading comprehension. Because you transferred my denigrating statement as relating to this kids mother instead of his friend.
And your defender above says I'm out of touch with reality.
****shrug
So I am going to take a guess. You are a female. Don't have high sexual standards and personalized this comment I made about the kids friend, not his mother, then somehow perceive this as an attack on you. Which is why you mislabeled me as a misogynist based on a comment derogatory to this kids friend, a male I might add.
Just because you can't read doesn't give you the right to call me a misogynist for a comment made, not to you, not to the mother in the article, but about this psychos friend, a male.
Now you are stalking me and you have people defending you, because you can't read and personalize comments that have nothing to do with or this psycho's mother.
You know what scares me is women who can't read and enlist and manipulate people to defend herself for an attack that was not directed at you, nor this kids mother, nor women in general. It was an attack on male whoredoms.
Now enlist people to your defense when you or women have been attacked you manipulative bitch. Learn to phucking read.
I said his friend might possibly have bought this firearm for his psycho friend because of whoredoms. That's a hypothesis, but it's not misogynistic.
I may have misread your first post, but there is no mistaking what you mean and feel in the second (post58.3 and subsequent.)
Okay cool. :)
Well if you call me a misogynist for an hypothetical attack against male whoredoms it's probably going to go downhill.
Sorry, but son or not, someone with schizophrenia is NOT welcome in my house. You are putting yourself and others in the home at risk. This scene has happened many times with diagnosed schizos. Get them out of the house and into some sort of mental hospital.
Sorry, Jlew, but you're simply wrong if you think a schizophrenia diagnosis makes one more dangerous to others. Oh, sure, living with a schizophrenic is own unique kind of hell, and I would not wish it on anyone. But statistically speaking, schizophrenics are only marginally more likely than anyone else is to harm themselves or others.
Your assumption that schizophrenics are dangerous is part of the stigmatization of mental illness that contributes to it's lack of proper treatment.
Absolutely correct. Actually, someone with a cluster B personality disorder, who more often than not never receives treatment, is many, many more times likely to commit violence than someone with scizophrenia or any of the psychotic disorders. And if you look around newsvine, you see many with cluster B traits who firmly believe there is nothing wrong with them, despite clear evidence of their inability to conform to societal and moral standards. Someone with a psychotic disorder, however, almost always knows they are ill. They stop taking meds not because they believe they are not ill, but because of the horrendous side effects of these potent psychotropic drugs.
I think the friend that purchased the gun should also be charged. How stupid can someone be? It is also sad that the system did not deal better with this guy before he did the unthinkable. What kind of a friend buys a weapon for an unstable guy? Toss them both in jail and throw away the key.
What about the person that bought the kid the gun??????? Lock this kid up the rest of his natural life. It is just a shame that the tax payers will have to foot the bill.
I guess when the Framers wrote the 2nd Amendment they did not pause to consider the need for "a well-regulated militia" to be comprised of sane people.
Forget gun control, how about we start locking up the mentally ill people. Too much concern for their rights and not enough concern for the people they may kill.
We are already doing that:
"In a 2006 Special Report, the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) estimated that 705,600 mentally ill adults were incarcerated in State prisons, 78,800 in Federal prisons and 479,900 in local jails."
This is significantly more than are in hospitals. If you want to incarcerate the rest, you will need to build a lot more prisons. How much are you willing to increase taxes in order to lock up the rest, simply because some of them might potentially be violent?
It is a sad statement regarding our society when we act to punish people for being ill, rather than insuring that they have appropriate treatment available for their illness.
Schizophrenic my a$$....give the SOB the chair!
Screw that! Give him the OJ Simpson!
Night of the long knives!
The mental health hospitals closed when republican regan signed a bill closing them.
Expecting local comminities to be able to come up with the money to build facilities and house and care for
them. All about the time the Vietnam war ended and we had thousands of PTS and drug cases coming home.
So if the mentally ill broke a law they ended up in jail cell, with no extra care or homeless on the streets in
lots of cases. Now we have another republican wanting to strike down health care. DON'T WE EVER
LEARN. There are some things you cannot stop spending money on. WAR WOULD BE A GOOD ONE
to stop supporting. We need a strong and healthy military, but not more republican wars.
Put a bullet in his head, he is not worth saving regaurdless of the mental illness.
She told him to get a job? she knows nothing of schizophrenia.. its the most debilitating of all the mental illnesses. You simply can't work.. Maybe you can last a couple months at most, but you will have an episode at work and get fired.. He should have been taking his medication.
I read comments here about why the mental hospitals were shut down in the "1960s and 1970s" and attributing it to the ACLU. Actually it was the Reagan administration defunding it and making the claim that "local organizations" would take over. Of course they didn't and the number of homeless mentally ill people skyrocketed. It's your basic republican argument of passing the buck to some other governmental agency or charity organization and that everyone should stand on their own two feet. But of course they can't, and the buck isn't passed and the results are tragic. The mentally ill sometimes can't hold down a job, not because they are lazy or shiftless, but because they are mentally ill. There are similar arguments about health care today. The idea that private for-profit health insurance will take care of the problem is the same kind of magical thinking that Reagan used.
The actions of the '60's and 70's were directed toward the civil rights of those diagnosed with a mental illness or developmental disability and institutionalization.
It was Regan that defunded and resulted in the closing of psychiatric hospitals and long term care facilities, not to mention short term care facilities, that made it impossible, in many circumstances for these people to get the care they need.
That wasn't mental illness. That was anger at not getting his way. His friend should be convicted of a crime as well for providing him with a gun when he couldn't get one legally.
That was mental illness. Mentally ill people also have emotions, including anger. The two are not mutually exclusive.
That's why the mother should have been twice as careful to talk like that to him.
Even healthy teenagers freak out at such a comment.
I think she was being selfish and wanted more space for her and her boyfriend.
Thank GOD the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOC is there to defend the son's right to own a gun! He was never charged with a crime. It's completely legal for him to own a gun and the NRA and the politicians they buy will stand square on his right to own a gun. Insane people have constitutional rights and the NRA will defend them to your death. Thank you, NRA! Thank you conservative politicians. Remember this when you vote! The next crazy person who comes for you and your family will have his rights protected by the NRA
bob-1008224
Sorry, you're incorrect on so many levels, I don't know where to start.
However, I will note that it is illegal for someone previously adjudicated with mental issues to purchase a firearm. Also, there is an additional question on the FEDERAL questionnaire regarding taking medication for mental issues. One last one, it was bought by another NOT the individual.
The "friend" that purchased it for him needs to be prosecuted now for HIS complicity in this crime.
But as statistics constantly bear out the gun is 5 times more likely to be used against another household member, either accidently or intentionally.
The friend goes to jail also.It doesn't hurt to be observant of your surroundings and those in your community.Take off your earbuds,get off your phone and look around.YOU might be the link to sanity a person needs
Those sound like the actions of a mentally competent person to me. He knew he couldn't get a gun so he had a friend buy it. Then he purposely murdered his mom and boyfriend while they were probably sitting in bed...TWICE.
This story sounds more like an 18 year old who did not want to be responsible and went to the extreme to express his resentment.
Being schizophrenic does not mean incompetent.
That would depend on how severe the disorder is and how impaired the individual is regarding self care and ability to distinquish reality from fantasy. Uncontrolled schizophrenia most certainly meets the criteria for being declared incompetent.
I am sure that his defense will say that he forgot to take his Meds. He's a good boy and had no idea what he was doing - right? After all, it was his other (paranoid) self that bought the shot gun!
you know, the kid that bought the gun for him should be held accountable for these two deaths just like their son is. He knew he was not all there mentally and tried to kill her before, and then the... goes and gets a gun for him!!!!! They have to make peace with God one day. Thats when judgement day will be unless someone takes them out before then.
I just want to thank the poster below for being a voice of reason.
ToddC-1160496
You are right that not every single aspect of Government can or should be run like a business. BUT, it is also true that Governments themselves don't really have any 'Government money'. All the money that Governments have is really the People's money. That's a fixed amount of money and all the expenses or running a country really do NEED to fit inside that amount of money. So, we need to either raise more money, or reduce spending - PERIOD. There is no sustainable option.
I don't necessarily agree with everything that Mr Romney says, BUT when he said ''I'm not going to borrow money from China to pay for...." - that made sense to me. As long as countries are running a deficit, they are really borrowing money from China to pay for all these programs. We need to find a way to fund the necessary programs, but we simply need to do it within the boundaries of our income - just like any business or any family budget needs to.
#4.4 - Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:54 PM EDT
The sheriff said Bishop was still on probation for a 2011 domestic battery incident in which he allegedly struck his mother and tried to strangle her.
So much for gun control laws. How the f**k did a mentally ill person buy a gun? All they had to do was get on the f****g computer and in 5 minutes they could have found this guy's arrest record. Jesus H. Christ.
Didn't read the article, did you?
Many of the people skip straight to the commenting area. That's when you get people like doc jim up there runnin his cake hole
I wonder if the boyfriend shot his load before the teen shot his load.
stay classy, chet
imari shabati What kind of a name is that??
Arabic of course.
This is just a classic example of poor parenting.
Children with mental handicaps need a more stable environment than children who don't have this kind of problems.
And if the mother caused this environment to be unstable by introducing new people in her son's life whom he didn't trust, that's the recipe for the son going nuts on them.
The mother should have put all her priorities on taking care of her son.
It's sad what happened and she and her boyfriend didn't deserve that.
But if she was really focused on her son's welfare she could at least kept her personal life more discreet, that would have avoided a tragedy.
The kid felt displaced and when she asked him to move out and get a job, even healthy teenagers would take it to extremes.
Double posting caused by post not appearing at first.
Bad parenting? You know nothing about the mother or the home situation but blame me for her death. By what is written in the article, she is trying to instill values in her son and teach him responsibility. She paid for it with her life. Just because she is a mother of an 18 year old doesn't mean that she has to give up her personal life. An 18 year old is basically a man who needs to take care of himself. As a man, he needed to take responsibility for his mental illness and to protect herself, after the first assault she should have put in a mental hospital. However, as mother, we always want to protect our children but some people with mental illnesses can only be help by professionals.
Blame you?
I agree well said and put. The problem is the inmortal ideas that is going around instead of moral ideals. Good job
Very, very sad! Wow, only 18 years old and schizophrenic. Too much put on him at one time. Get a job, move out, do the laundry, handle your life. 18 years old, with obviously very little education. Even a mentally stable kid might "wig out" a bit under those circumstances. Hopefully, not kill over it, but would be scared and angry. How is he supposed to "get a job"? Hard enough these days for mentally stable people to find a job with little education or lots of education!
I lost my parents early and was on my own a week after I turned 18. Thank goodness I had the mental stability to handle that. I was forced to find a job immediately, get a little apartment, etc., with no money to do it with, but there were family friends who co-signed so I could even get an apartment. Pretty scary, but, again, I was mentally competent to do it all with at least a little help from friends! They had no money, but assisted with a little "supportiveness".
Sounds like mom and the boyfriend wanted to get rid of him and the responsibilities. This should be a very careful and slow process for someone with his difficult mental problems.