agreed...more like manslaughter

The prosecution is already gagging as they have no case for beyond a reasonable doubt. This Florida State of bafoons could not convict Casey Anthony, they have no prayer to win this case and these attempts are early desperation. Some FL state careers will be ended with this trial............

In Florida, manslaughter is a "lesser included charge" that the jury can consider.

a absolute defense to Manslaughter is justifiable homicide; the State released all sorts of misinformation, now the defense is releasing witness statements, the State was slapped down by the judge; unless the case is moved to Harlem, there is no way a jury will convict Zimmerman.

The gag order might have been a good idea back when they were making the kid out to be a tiny 12 year old.

This was a big mistake on the part of the judge. This judge, instead of ruling the way she should based on the law, is trying to allow the defense to balance out some of the earlier negative press against Zimmerman by allowing them to release select documents that should not be made public in an attempt to smear the victim. I guess no one ever told this judge that two wrongs do not make a right. This ruling is only going to serve to further contaminate the jury pool to the point where it is going to be impossible to seat an impartial jury. They will wind up with a jury that is divided between the Zimmerman defenders and the Martin camp to try and make it look fair and do nothing more than guarantee a mistrial with a hung jury. Much of the information the defense has gone after should have been ruled irrelevant by the judge because it is information that Zimmerman could not possibly have known at the time of the shooting and therefor should not in any way be allowed to be used to try and justify Zimmerman's actions.

Zimmerman has changed his story about what happened that night so many times it makes people dizzy. Every time a piece of evidence was pointed out that contradicted his story Zimmerman suddenly remembered something else that happened or revised his story about what happened to cover for this inconsistency. This behavior in itself tells me that Zimmerman is lying to try and cover his ass because he knows that what he did was wrong. There had been a couple of burglaries in the neighborhood and Zimmerman was trying to be the local hero by catching the burglar. Unfortunately, he ended up shooting an innocent kid on his way home from the store. Zimmerman's story about the event simply does not hold water - from the fact that his keys which he claimed he dropped when he got "sucker punched" by Martin at the start of the struggle being found 30-50 feet away from where the struggle occurred to the fact that the forensic evidence shows that the shot was fired from an intermediate distance which does not correspond with the gun being fired during a struggle on the ground with the victim which would result in a close up shot. Zimmerman pursued Martin after being told he shouldn't by the 911 dispatcher and confronted Martin. This pursuit of Martin completely negates any "stand your ground" defense and clearly makes what Zimmerman did at a minimum first degree manslaughter if not second degree murder.

I feel that racial cases should be as transparent as possible without gag orders.

They haven't a hope in hell of seating an unbiased jury, gag order or not.

The Stand Your Ground Law should either struck down or at the least be re-written. The law has been used successfully when a man chased someone for a block and shot an unarmed man to death. That is not the intent of the law, its simple followed or attacked by someone you can Stand Your Ground. You do not have the right if You follow someone or attack them and get your A** Kicked. Zimmerman was warned by SPD dispatch not to follow and a SPD unit was on its way.

If I could I would be glad to sit on the jury. I'm not biased, Zimmerman is guilty of 2nd Deg. Murder!!!!

Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Peruvian; Martin was black.

Of course NBCSnooze had to remind everybody about NBCNews' racial bias. Maybe the gag order would have been a good thing but the judge obviously saw through the media's bias already -

saying Zimmerman has faced a “tidal wave” of inaccurate information.

I'm sure she was talking about the pictures of the big bad Zimmerman attacking the 12 y.o. boy.

If NBCNews keeps pointing out that Zimmerman's parentage was of a white father and a Peruvian mother, why don't they always remind peole that obama was of a black father and a white mother? Why does one individual in the news neeed to have his racial make-up identified every time while another individual's is ignored?

Zimmerman was warned by SPD dispatch not to follow...

He was ADVISED not to follow.

I'm not biased, Zimmerman is guilty of 2nd Deg. Murder!!!!

Good thing you are not on a jury. You have him convicted before hearing the opening statements. You may not be biased but you certainly are prejudiced.

With his conviction for domestic violence, he's not supposed to be carrying a concealed weapon in the first place, let alone take it with him to confront someone.

Check your facts...or ignore them if you don't like it (more likely), but Zimmerman has no convictions for domestic violence. He had a legal (legal...as in he broke no laws to prevent it) conceal/carry permit, deal with it. I think that would have been the first charge they would have hit him with, not to mention a fact that the news agencies would have mentioned it every time they mentioned his name.

All you Azzholes who are calling Treyvon Martin a kid please. He was a young man not a little boy or 12 year old kid that was shown in the photograph supplied by his parent. They use that photo to garner public sympathy and enrage the black community to press for kangaroo justice.

George Zimmerman is GUILTY of Second Degree Murder, and here is WHY:

Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18. Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense, simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences.

George Zimmerman's supporters seems to accept the theory that because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

devout

- there is no exception for age in stand your ground laws in any state

- profiling is not illegal, although there is no evidence that Z did that as confirmed by the FBI investigation for racial motivation

- there is no way roly poly Z chased down football player T on foot... the only way he caught up is if T wanted him to

- being followed by someone is not cause for fear of great bodily harm and T had no right to get on Z and be ground and pounding him as confirmed by the eye witness

- there is no evidence that Z started the fight... and it's not illegal to ask questions, follow someone, have a legally licensed weapon, or call the police and try to keep track of someone

Trayvon was not some little innocent kid.... he was a thug who got thrown out of school for pot, burglary tools, and jewelry he couldn't explain.... he was a football player who bragged about abusing women and beating bus drivers on twitter, and had tatts and grills .... he didn't like that a short fat guy was following him, so he gave him a beat down, not thinking about the potential consequences..... his own father said that the cries for help were NOT Trayvon until he got lawyered up a couple of days later.

the miscarriage of justice is that the entire weight of the city state and federal legal system are on a guy because so called black leaders made this a race issue in an election year. When do you think the last time was that those leaders called on Trayvons Mom?

The Stand your Ground hearing is coming at some point, and Z deserves a win.

devout...(#1.19)....Every one of your "talking points" has already been blown out of the water....The "Stand Ones Ground" part of Florida's Self-Defence Statue makes no mention of age:

"The new law codified in Florida Statutes 776.013(3)(2006) states:

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

http://www.hessingerlaw.com/Articles/Self-Defense-and-Floridas-Stand-Your-Ground-Law.aspx

AND...Here's the truth on the history of SYG cases....The Law is sound, applied on a case by case basis. Click the link for a Comprehensive Examination of these cases.

33 Convicted------ 66 Justified------- 20 Pending

Black, white, brown, male , female...."shooter" and dead person of all types...Even BLACK folks get "immunity" from prosecution.....Imagine that....the Law works....

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

And stop using the word "child".....Here's another "17 yr.old child " in Florida:

"17-year-old Shawn Tyson found guilty in murders of 2 British tourists"

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_sarasota_manatee/bradenton/17-year-old-shawn-tyson-found-guilty-of-murders-of-2-british-tourists

He shot them dead, then pulled up their shirts, pulled down their pants to show off his handiwork when the bodies were found...The tourists got lost and were in the "wrong neighborhood"....cost them their lives.

Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_sarasota_manatee/bradenton/17-year-old-shawn-tyson-found-guilty-of-murders-of-2-british-tourists#ixzz2AlmrwDHh

P.S......Angela Corey, The Special Persecutor, was all in favor of releasing her "evidence" ...Then the main argument of "Racial Profiling" was dismissed by the FBI report...Next the new Judge ordered the release of Trayvon Martins School Records and Facebook and Twitter accounts....That, ladies and gentlemen is why Special Persecutor Corey petitioned for the Gag Order....They will show the little thug for what he was when he confronted Zimmerman.

JS in SD...(#1.6)...".... to the fact that the forensic evidence shows that the shot was fired from an intermediate distance which does not correspond with the gun being fired during a struggle on the ground with the victim which would result in a close up shot."

___________________________

"The special prosecutor's case also includes Zimmerman's medical report the
day after the shooting. It listed a broken nose, two black eyes and a cut in the
back of the head.

A source also told CBS News an unreleased police report noted Zimmerman's
sweatshirt had "grass stains, and was wet on the back."

Details from Trayvon Martin's autopsy show the bullet entered the left side
of his chest, and shattered the ventrical, one of his heart's two large chambers
but the round did not leave his body.

The reports also noted the fatal wound's surrounded by a two-by-two inch
pattern called stippling, caused by gunpower burns. It suggests Zimmerman fired
inches away from the teenager."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57435800/zimmerman-martins-last-words-were-its-over/

I honestly can't tell just how strong or weak a case the prosecution has. When you are viewing evidence through the lens of the media, a certain degree of blurring is inevitable.

On the surface, it certainly seems that wrong was done here: that Trayvon Martin's slaying was a crime.

But like the OJ Simpson case, or that of Casey Anthony, public perception may not translate into a conviction.

Zimmerman has already been tried and convicted of murdering an innocent twelve-year-old boy who was clutching a bag of Skittles...nobody wants a reversal of this finding due to actual facts. The Fourth Estate has done their job, and now they would like you to go away.

@Mike in Delray..Apparently, you're not paying any attention to this case because if you had been you would have known that even George Zimmerman's OWN attorneys CANDIDLY ADMITTED that SYG DOES NOT APPLY TO THE FACTS OF THE CASE...So the SYG is a non-issue. Second, you know nothing about TM to be calling him anything other than his name. All you know of TM is that GZ chased him down with a loaded gun, shot and killed him. And if you don't think that GZ chased TM then perhaps you need to go and set up a deposition and depose witness #2 because she SAW the chase just before the fight happened.

devout...(#1.27).."@Mike in Delray..Apparently, you're not paying any attention to this case"

I've read every document, witness statement, Coroner's report, FBI report released in the document dumps, Heard Zimmerman's call to non-emergency number that night, Martin's fathers call to 911 the next morning at 9AM to report a missing person, saying the last time he saw he son was at 8-8:30, when in fact, Trayvon was already dead in the backyard at 7:30 a few hundred feet from dad's girlfriends backdoor....all of it. I've taken Self-Defence weapons classes. I have researched SYG inside out, for my own protection under the law, God forbid I am ever forced to draw my weapon. My first phonecall after the 911 call will be to my 2nd.Amendment Attorney, and will NOT make the mistake Zimmerman did of making any statements to the police before he gets there, except to ask for medical attention for shock.....because I know I'll be a wreck if I shoot someone.

There will be an "Immunity Hearing" before the June 2013 trial date, regardless of what Zimmermans Lawyer has said in the past. The release of Martin's School Records, Facebook and Twitter accounts will have important significance in that hearing. Even if the "immunity claim" is denied at the hearing it does not take away anything from his Self-Defence claim at trial....I think he will be granted Immunity, now that all the facts will be available.

Your WITNESS #2 Statement....wasn't she the one that just took out her contact lenses....and changed her statement after reading some accounts in the newspapers ???....Some of the witnesses surely look like the witnesses from the movie " My Cousin Vinny"....

oldhamletman

There were two profiles on Twitter and Facebook for Trayvon Martin, one WAS a thug, who happens to be the bragging abuser you mention. However, that was NOT the actual Trayvon who was shot by Zimmerman. If you look at the second profile, the description and the picture doesn't even look like Trayvon. That guy has a "wife-beater" tank top on, is covered in Tattoos, and is about 5'8".
The actual Trayvon profile he had on Facebook has one picture of him in a striped shirt and baseball cap. This profile is only open to his friends. I don't know where you got that he had been suspended, according to those who knew him, it was a misunderstanding, and was not about drugs at all. Though he was having some trouble due to losing his mom, he was still a relatively mild kid.
Your spouting the lies that have been spread about Trayvon don't help here at all.

Zimmerman is a "wanna-be" who has tried several times to join the Police Department and has not been successful. He was looking for a way to show that he is some kind of hero, in my opinion. I've known many people who are just like him, they will do just about anything to make people think better of them.
He challenged Trayvon in the dark after being told NOT to by the 911 Operator. Trayvon was not running, but Zimmerman did chase him down. IF Trayvon beat the hell out of Zimmerman, he was perfectly within his rights, since Zimmerman was aggressive when he challenged him, and I'm sure Trayvon was only trying to get away from Zimmerman, again, my opinion.

Zimmerman is dead wrong and should be found guilty. I guess it's a good thing I'm not a Florida State Resident because I certainly wouldn't make a good jurist.

2013 prediction - Z walks & Obama loses !... RR 2012

.....then I can say for the first time in my adult life I'm proud of the USA

Military Man-1740371...(#1.29).."I don't know where you got that he had been suspended, according to those who knew him, it was a misunderstanding, and was not about drugs at all. Though he was having some trouble due to losing his mom, he was still a relatively mild kid."

Where have you been ???...

"Trayvon Martin's ten day suspension"

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-martin-s-ten-day-suspension

Again: " Though he was having some trouble due to losing his mom, he was still a relatively mild kid."

His mother (Sabrina Fulton) is quite alive, she's been all over the news at every hearing, Trademarking Trayvon's name, made the rounds of the Morning Network Programs....She was the one that sent him to Sanford, not trusting him to be alone in the Miami hood during his 10-day suspension.....Scheesh already, where do you'se come up with all this nonsense ???

lets see Martin's twitter account comments, school records and FB - we need to see his character

Sounds prudent. Wonder what the prosecution is trying so hard to hide?

Perhaps by releasing the actual facts about the case, we can all prevent the riot from happening when he is found to be not guilty.

Personally, I think this whole thing is all about the upcoming elections. Trying to induce a little 'white guilt' to sway the voters a little.

btw, whatever happened to a swift trial? Hasn't this been going on for quite a while now?

I didn't say she was dead, his parents are divorced, and he was staying with his dad. Divorce is a pretty good stresser for a kid. Especially a 17 year-old. Losing a parent to divorce or death is traumatic.

Wrong choice of words.

Trayvon was at his Dad's girlfriend's home.

The rest of my comment still stands. Yes, he was suspended for 10 days, once. Big deal, was it for violent behavior? No. Did he have a history of violence? No. Any arrests? No.

'nough said.

Military Man-1740371....

Trayvon lived with his mom in Miami....she sent him off to one of his dad's girlfriends ( in fact the dad only saw this "girlfriend twice a month" (guess he had a few girlfriends).....When Trayvon got suspended.....the mom made arrangements to send him to the girlfriends....the mom and the girlfriend met half-way between Miami and Sanford to get Trayvon up there....Mom couldn't trust him home alone in the hood for the his 10-Day suspension, she has a job....The shooting occurred half-way through that suspension. The Dad wasn't even at the Girlfriends house the day Trayvon arrived, he showed up a few days later....Ya just don't know what really was going on....

"Yes, he was suspended for 10 days, once. Big deal, was it for violent behavior? No. Did he have a history of violence? No. Any arrests? No."

That's why they want his School Records released...A 10-Day Suspension is not for chewing gum in class....one usually works their way up to 10-Day.....2-Day, 5-Day....you get the drift....And that's why the Special Persecutor didn't want those records (and his Facebook and Twitter accounts) released.

Need any more real info, will be glad to fill you in.....

All you Azzholes who are calling Treyvon Martin a kid please. He was a young man not a little boy or 12 year old kid that was shown in the photograph supplied by his parent. They use that photo to garner public sympathy and enrage the black community to press for kangaroo justice.

Preston_Burris

It doesn't matter if Trayvon was 12 or 112, he was unarmed and minding his business. He wasn't doing anything but walking...and because some wannabe cop saw a black kid walking in his neighborhood automatically he looks suspicious...please!! Zimmerman wasn't even on neighborhood watch duty, but even if he were he followed this person and when confronted the first thing he did was reach in his pocket...and people wonder why he got punched!! AMAZING!! If it were a white kid walking do you think Zimmerman would've called 911? Because there had been a couple burgluries in the neighborhood, a black guy walking down the street, well he must be the culprit? I don't know... something just don't seem right.

Need any more real info, will be glad to fill you in.....

Mike In Delray...I've been following this story from the beginning and I have yet to hear about Trayvon's transportation to the Dad's girlfriends house nor how often the Dad saw his girlfriend twice a month. I don't particularly want more info, I would like to know where this info came from. If you know he was suspended for 10 days, why don't you know the reason for his suspension? Whatever the reason, when GZ encountered TM, he was walking, nothing more nothing less...and a few minutes later he is dead...nothing on his Facebook page or his school records justify taking this boys life.

bstraitupitiswatitis

TM was suspended for:

....Tardiness 10 days
.... Graffiti 10 days (also found in possession of 30 items of womens jewelry and "burglary" tools)
....Possession of drug paraphernalia (baggie that tested positive for pot.

Perhaps TM was doing nothing more than walking in the rain.. however neither you nor I know for a fact that he was not casing places during that walk. What we do know is that George had done nothing illegal by observing, and reporting. For his efforts he was sucker punched, knocked to the ground and battered. When the "innocent" TM threw the punch he broke the law. When he continued to assault George he became a credible threat to Georges health and well being. When he REACHED for Georges gun it was reasonable to believe that tm was a threat to Georges life.

As for his face book, etc... while there may be nothing worth his life those records MAY show that he had a tendency towards violence and that would support the defense contentions of what happened that night. So far all we have is the parents word about his grades, and "peaceful" nature. That would include Tracy who stepped out on Trayvons Mother to be with his current wife (still married last we heard) and was stepping out on that same current wife to be with his "girlfriend". That would be the same "parent" who waited until the next day to report his son missing and then lied to police about when he last saw TM. words to the effect "I last saw Trayvon between 8 and 8:30" when in fact tm was dead at 7:30.

The other "parent" rushed to trade mark trayvons name, filed a claim for the MAXIMUM 50k amount to the state "victims" fund when in fact his final arrangements were already paid for except 1500. Perhaps in the end it will be determined that tm really was the victim but at this point the jury has not even been seated to make that determination.

the pattern here is team T keeps on inventing supposed facts and MikeinDelray etc. keep on quoting actual facts...

the short story is: T was a thug wannabe who decided to give the wrong guy a beat down... Sharpton et al decided to make it about race in an election year... so a bunch of elected officials and judges in fear of their offices brought the full force of the legal system against a guy unfairly..... and Z is gonna win a SYG hearing... rightfully so.

Ok, I'm a bit confused...are the funeral costs a matter of public record? You seem to know the cost, how much they paid and the balance? Is Trayvon's fathers' wives/girlfriends' or his personal life relating to who or if he was cheating and when public knowledge? As for jewelery and burgulary tools or whatever, were these items reported stolen? Was he charged for possession of stolen property or possession of burgulary tools? Or the baggie? So, now who is speculating? According to Zimmerman, Trayvon was walking, he looked suspicious, he calls 911 and he got out of his vehicle to follow him (in short). Now, if you're walking down the street and you notice that you're being followed, when the coonfrontation began, the first thing Zimmerman does is reach in is pocket...being followed and not knowing why or whats the reason behind it, and the person following you reaches in his pocket, when you're probably already in a defensive mode because of being followed, it would be a natural reaction to punch his ass...as a matter of fact Zimmerman did have a gun, how do we know that he wasn't reaching for it? Zimmerman said he was in fear for his life, how do we know Trayvon wasnt in fear for his? You're talking about Trayvon being suspended a couple of times, well Zimmerman has resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, a family member says he's a pervert....in comparison, graffiti, tardiness, possession of jewelery and burgulary tools, now which one seem more prone to acting violently? You're defending Zimmerman like he was some "good samaritan" and he was defending himself from this thug, Zimmerman's has a hisory of violent acts. You say Trayvon's mother rushed to trademark Trayvon's name, "rushed", really? It seems like she was reacting to a situation already in progress, so how do you get "rushed" out of that? Would you want the world profiting from the death of your son? Would you want your son's name exploited? If anyone is going to profit from his name it should be his family.

Perhaps TM was doing nothing more than walking in the rain.. however neither you nor I know for a fact that he was not casing places during that walk. What we do know is that George had done nothing illegal by observing, and reporting. For his efforts he was sucker punched, knocked to the ground and battered. When the "innocent" TM threw the punch he broke the law. When he continued to assault George he became a credible threat to Georges health and well being. When he REACHED for Georges gun it was reasonable to believe that tm was a threat to Georges life.

If Trayvon was casing places as he walked, now you're reaching! You're right George didn't do anything illegal, however, once he placed the call to 911...thats where his duty is over. While its not illegal to follow or walk in the same direction of someone, that action also puts him in a position to be punched or to expect some type of reaction. He is of no authority to pursue or confront, when he took that upon himself he chose to face whatever consequences that follow. George told the 911 dispatcher that he thought the person was high or something and that he was up to something...why would you pursue a person you think is "up to something and high" not knowing what he would be getting himself into...and you say he got sucker punched for his efforts...George wanted to be a police officer...he was NOT one. Just because you've got a gun doesn't mean you can act in an authoritative fashion. George said Trayvon was beating him up and he thought he would lose consciousness, wouldn't it make sense for GEORGE TO REACH FOR THE GUN to stop this boy from kicking his ass? If Trayvon say George reaching for his gun of course they would struggle over it, no one wants to be shot...you guys act like George is innocent here and he is not. Even if Trayvon was engaged in criminal activity, George had no authority to interject himself into the situation. If he wanted to prevent a crime or whatever his 911 call would be all that would be required of him.

And to oldhamletman, the legal forces that were brought upon Zimmerman was anything but unfair...what is unfair is that someone's life has been taken and when you kill somebody for whatever reason you should be charged for killing that person and plead your case to a judge and jury as to why it happened.

There are two sides to every debate/arguement. We all have only one side of the story and thats the side of the man still alive...and considering he was the one committing the murder, of course he is gonna tell the story to his advantage. You must admit that if a person is getting his ass beat to the extent that Zimmerman claims he was beaten, it would make sense for him to be the one reaching for the gun. But that wouldn't support your theory, huh?

bstraitupitiswatitis

Ok, I'm a bit confused...are the funeral costs a matter of public record?

It became a matter of public INTEREST when she applied to the victims fund. Or are you one of those who feel government should just secretly distribute money without being accounted for?

Trayvon's fathers' wives/girlfriends' or his personal life relating to who or if he was cheating and when public knowledge?

Again became a matter of public record/interest when the integratity of all involved was called into question. The media (MSNBC) reported initially that Tracy was staying with his fiance' until the FACTS started coming out.

As for jewelery and burgulary tools or whatever, were these items reported stolen? Was he charged for possession of stolen property or possession of burgulary tools? Or the baggie

they were recorded in the suspension reports and likely taken into consideration in determining punishment. and the baggie was the REASON he was last suspended. so the answer is YES.

Now, if you're walking down the street and you notice that you're being followed,

having a cell phone, which trayvon not only had but was in good working order, I would call 9-1-1 to report a suspicious person was following me and do my best to place distance between us, physical barriers (get inside) and get near other people.

when the coonfrontation began, the first thing Zimmerman does is reach in is pocket.

AND? where do you keep your cell phone? Mine is on a belt clip. There was only an exchange of words as George did what most people would do, reach for their phone to call 9-1-1

when you're probably already in a defensive mode because of being followed,

again my defensive mode would be to keep my distance.. TM had at least the distance from the street to the T lead on George and yet somehow got no closer to "home" in the 2 minutes between the end of Georges call and when the two encountered each other at the T.

it would be a natural reaction to punch his ass.

so you punch everyone on the street who reaches in their pocket? Now who is profiling or overreacting?

as a matter of fact Zimmerman did have a gun, how do we know that he wasn't reaching for it?

tm did not KNOW George had a gun. He was likely not even aware of it until he had George on the ground and "discovered" it during the fight. At no time prior to the actual shot did George have the gun out as far as we know... no witnesses... no comment from "deedee" that tm claimed the creepy guy had a gun.

Zimmerman said he was in fear for his life, how do we know Trayvon wasnt in fear for his?

No one has EVER claimed that tm wasn't fearful once the fight started.

you're talking about Trayvon being suspended a couple of times, well Zimmerman has resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, a family member says he's a pervert....in comparison, graffiti, tardiness, possession of jewelery and burgulary tools, now which one seem more prone to acting violently?

Trayvons actions were recent.. Georges were 7 years ago. The question isn't which was was prone to but whether tm was likely to be violent. his social media, unofficial copies at least, would indicate that he had a propensity towards violence. He was also a young man full of hormones with his gf on the phone. Young men tend to want to show off, especially if they think they are tougher than the other person.

You're defending Zimmerman like he was some "good samaritan" and he was defending himself from this thug, Zimmerman's has a hisory of violent acts.

Actually YES. George was being a good neighbor. His recent activities in the community demonstrate just that. The majority of his neighbors liked the idea that someone, beside themselves, was willing to take the responsibility of looking out for more than just himself. His recent acts include observing and reporting problems in the area, not just crime, community involvement and mentoring children who were not his own.

You say Trayvon's mother rushed to trademark Trayvon's name, "rushed", really? It seems like she was reacting to a situation already in progress, so how do you get "rushed" out of that? Would you want the world profiting from the death of your son? Would you want your son's name exploited? If anyone is going to profit from his name it should be his family.

Seems she and the father are doing just that, exploiting trayvons death. They have taken time off from work, traveled to many places including internationally and attempted to make money from his death.

when he took that upon himself he chose to face whatever consequences that follow.

and when tm chose to assault and batter someone he took it upon himself to face whatever consequences followed. By your description you feel trayvon knew George had a weapon so therefore had some clue about his risks.

wouldn't it make sense for GEORGE TO REACH FOR THE GUN to stop this boy from kicking his ass?

fully within his rights to do just that.

you guys act like George is innocent here and he is not.

Not guilty of anything beyond defending himself.

Even if Trayvon was engaged in criminal activity, George had no authority to interject himself into the situation

Taking responsibility is not interjecting.. Perhaps you are of the mindset that people should watch crime in progress and do nothing?

According to the cronies Zimmerman is a white man.

If Zimmerman were white there would have been a couple of citys burned down. It's harder for Jessee and AL Sharpton when they have in their mind a half breed Mexican. The racism is always in these two clowns minds when they start a race rally but this is new territory.

Bet you would feel different if Zimmerman shot a white boy!

Why does it always come down to race with the Zimmerman lynch mob? Could it be that if you took race out of the equation there is no case to begin with?

@totherepublic...George Zimmerman said that if he sees you walking in the rain with your hoody on, that he will call 911 and falsely accuse you of being suspicious and up to no good, then get out of his truck, chase you down on foot with his loaded 9mm gun, shoot and kill you then claim that he did so in self-defense. Your momma and dad will say, oh, well, my child got what they derserved...

If Trayvon was my son, we wouldn't be having a debate about whether George Zimmerman is guilty or not, only because George would have died that very same night or soon thereafter...end of story... Simple as that..

Lenny12

How the hell do you make this an attack on Barack Obama? What is it with you neocons and bringing up politics in to every single issue.

quote......"if i had a son he would look like trayvon".......BHO.

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sorry lenny but "they" didn't, YOUR messiah did that all by himself.

Get over the fact you lost the election in 2008,

in case you havent heard it is now 2012 and the next election is next week.

And then devout we'd be reading about your trial for murder one.

Has anyone watched the video store tape? Watch the store clerk follow him around the store and how erratic Trayvon was in the store. He sure looked more like he was casing and trying to pocket something than looking for something to buy.

Wow, Devout...you've really got a way about you.

I would suggest a little anger management. Not to mention, you're completely off-topic.

Scooter-Tramp,

Go away, there are no politics here, just a dumb-a$$ wanna-be who killed an unarmed kid.

I find it amazing that ignorant people like devout can spew comments like that and not get even suspended??? What trash and I hope you get banned.

Sally

devout, yikes. You are suspended for a week for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.

Thank you.

Wow Sally, thats the worst I have ever seen and he goes to timeout?? Really??? That whole mess should be deleted and not repeated.

Sadly Florida has just about the most open records law in the country. I agree with you, Anita, that the evidence should be released as it is admitted in court. There has been a huge amount of inaccurate information on both sides. (american110% is a good example on one side. Seven2Seven is an example of the other side.)

No way! No freaking way. ALL evidence proves Zimmerman as NOT guilty. He may or may not have made some bad decisions but he did not break the law. Travon did when he laid his hands on Zimmerman LIKE with a punch. AND by the way and although I am not an Attorney, they charrged him with 2nd degree murder. It was a HUGE mistake. He will never plead, not be found guilty of 2nd degree murder.

I am amazed that you accept that Zimmerman was attacked without question. He has had a history of interjecting himself in tosituation where he ddi not belong. In one of the 911 calls that were released in previous incident his wife is telling him not pursue some one. I also read the autopsy report and Trayvon was shot directly in heart not an angel as you mifhr expect of some one were lying down when they fired the shot,. His ridiculous story of his jacket coming up and Trayvon feeling the gun. So he continued to pound his head and waited for Zimmerman to fire. He is helpless but somehow hold Trayvons armand pulls the gun ehile his head is being pounded. How did Trayvon end up on his stomach with his arms underneath. He has shwow himslef to be an angry paranoid person with many hallmarks of instability. They maybe able to add lesser included offenses. If he tties to SY G and has to take the stand it will be intersting because his not being truthful/

Sandra Brooks -- You haven't seen ALL the evidence, nor has anyone else on this thread. That's why we have trials, to present ALL the relevant evidence to a jury.

Trying to defend someone? Admirable. Typing nearly incoherent sentences while touting an amateur expert opinion after "reading" the evidence? Priceless!

Sandra,

The 911 operator instructed Zimmerman to stay in his car. He was also informed that the Police were on their way. He had NO business following Trayvon. Whether Trayvon was acting suspicious or not, it was NOT Zimmerman's place to get involved. He did what he was supposed to, when he called 911. That was ALL he was supposed to do.

The Police were on the scene less than two minutes after Zimmerman shot Trayvon.

Trayvon was UN-ARMED.

Travon was a thug and beat GZ @ss down the got the suprise of his life, BLAM. Travon said you got me man right before he collapsed dead. He knew he had lost the fight which it was and is self defense.

Military Man-1740371

Sandra,

The 911 operator instructed Zimmerman to stay in his car

Care to point us to the transcripts/recording of that call where those words were used or even inferred? The ADVICE given was "We don't need you to do that" in reference to George following the suspicious person.

OK, he was ADVISED not to follow Trayvon, and that the Police were on the way. Zimmerman was TOLD. He had NO reason to challenge Trayvon. He overstepped his perview. He was WRONG.

Zimmerman called from INSIDE is car, and left his car after being ADVISED not to. He wanted to be the hero who caught the thief that had robbed some housed in the neighborhood. Zimmerman was NOT in danger until he left his vehicle. Trayvon was NOT in Zimmerman's yard or even near his property.

Semantics. He's still a murderer.

Zimmerman called from INSIDE is car, and left his car after being ADVISED not to.

try again.. he was out of his vehicle and in motion when he was asked if he was following him. When he was advised "We don't need you to do that" his motion SOUNDS to have slowed and stopped. He also "lost" sight of TM at that point. I am sure even you would recommend that once out of your vehicle with a "suspicious person" in the area you would keep a lookout for them.

Exactly, where was the gag order when the press was playing games? If you going to show a picture of a 12 year old for the boy, they should only release pictures of the fellow when he was 12.

Bored,

Most of the pictures that had been released were from earlier in his Senior year. There was only one picture from two years before, when he was 15. His face book profile picture didn't look much different than the one you mention.

None of the pictures I've seen show a "tattooed Thug" as has been spewed here. I am 5' 8" and 180 lbs, a full 4 inches shorter than Trayvon, I am in NO way fat, or "stocky". For a 6' kid who weighs in at 180 lbs, he would be a rail.

And your point is? Ahh, I get it. You don't have a point... LOL!

I think that the "point" is obvious: an unscrupulous law firm trying to railroad an innocent man into prison for financial gain.

I have no sympathy for Zimmerman becauase none of it needed to happen. I actually think he is mentally unstabel but is unfortunately being made out to be a hero by peopel who have another agenda.

Actually, I have an "Obama-Biden" sign in my frontyard. I was initially taken in by the Parks/Crump propaganda. Then I noticed certain facts and witness statements that made this tragedy look a lot more like self-defense than murder.

@jeffrey erwin...You're absolutely wrong...First of all George Zimmerman is guilty. There's no question about that. Second, even assuming for whatever reason he gets acquitted, that does not in any way has anything to do with a wrongful death suit against either him or the Homeowner's association. For example, O.J. Simpson was found NOT GUILTY of killing Nicole Brown Simpson, but the family STILL sued him and got a million dollar verdict. That case is a perfect analogy to your comment.

devout

Second, even assuming for whatever reason he gets acquitted, that does not in any way has anything to do with a wrongful death suit against either him or the Homeowner's association.

Actually if you would read the FL Statute 776 you would find that WHEN not guilty immunity from civil suits attaches.

trust_verify... Section 776 of the Florida statute only provides immunity from civil suits IF, and only IF he is 'immune from prosecution'. The hearing set in April of 2013 will decide whether or not if GZ is immune from prosecution. If the Court says 'yes', GZ is immune from prosecution at that hearing, then he will also be immune from a civil lawsuit. However, if the Judge says, no, GZ is not immune from prosecution or that she will defer the case for a jury determination on the merits, then GZ is not immune from a civil lawsuit. GZ's attorneys are scrambling to mount a defense because they are fully cognizant of the fact that GZ's credibility is seriously at issue and will be a major factor not only at the April 2013 hearing but also at his trial. That is why GZ's attorney are hoping to find something in TM's school records, twitter or facebook posts that will help bolster GZ's self-defense claim. And if there is NOT anything in those records to support GZ's self-defense theory, then you had better bet that it becomes very risky for GZ to go to trial on Second Degree Murder with his credibility.

If Travon just walked home like you said he would be alive. Instead this expelled drug thug got an attitude and committed battery which caused it to escalate to a gunshot. There were mistakes made by both but don't paint Travon as skipping home with some candy like a good little boy. Just wait until his facebook and personal info is released from the court orders. GZ will walk out the front door like it or not this summer.

And you watched the reenactment and saw GZ trying to figure out during the reenactment how to justify getting punched in the nose at the top of the T, committed (4 X) to falling on his butt right there but in the reenactment, he batted further into "enemy territory" and still came up short, trying to remember how he made it so far from the T? He has yet to explain spreading TM's hands apart but the police find TM on top of both of his hands. How he was able to lift TM up to get his gun on his hip with TM straddling him. TM oblige him on that? GZ did not recognize himself screaming. Listen to his police audio statements. He said, "he started to yell for help, and continued to hit my head on the concrete (they were supposed to be fully on the grass now) and I shot him." He's guilty. He may get off like KC but he is not innocent. As for drugs, did you read the reports? TM had a miniscule amount of THC in his system while GZ had his full meds (adderall, tamperazin (or whatever) in his system. He was not supposed to be operating a motor vehicle, walking around or anything but sleeping or you get what we got: hallucinations, aggressive behavior, forgetfulness (I don't remember) and a murder. He sounded loopy when he called non-EM.

Thats the problem Mason. No matter what, you want him to be guilty, and will not entertain any thoughts otherwise.

Oh yeah? And that would be 2nd degree murder that the prosecutor slapped Zimmerman with? No way Jose is that going to fly. Zimmerman did not break the law. He was a neighborhood watch guy. Watch/read the NON-edited transcripts. He is as not guilty as they just about come.

George Zimmerman is GUILTY of Second Degree Murder, and here is WHY:

Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18. Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense, simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences.

George Zimmerman's supporters seem to accept the theory that because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

@blueingoregon..... you are a nut.... a silly little coconut

You are so off the wall I don't even know what else to say??? a little paranoid???

He must not have been that far in the distance or he had help. I think GZ, going by that reenactment, did that football-hand batting thing and then went for the tackle and got an elbow or even a fist in the nose. If that was him yelling, that's why he howled like that.

just me-3905469

No, Not a nut just a woman who has been menaced by someone. I have taught my daughters to fight to the death if they have to! I taught them as small children to yell, scream, bite, kick to do anything they could to get away from someone who might try to abduct them. I will NOT leave this life not having tried to fight for it. I don't understand you idiots who think the poor boy after being stalked by Zimmerman think he should have just taken whatever Zimmerman was going to do. Your the same cowards who stand up and say, "Nobody is taking me down!" Then you blame Trayvon for reacting to what Zimmerman was doing! Amazing!!

I hope if one of my daughters is stalked in the same situation as Trayvon Martin was, that the assailant, comes away with MORE than a few scratches and a bang up head! I hope she make him bleed to death.

No, RightNYer, the proper thing for Mr. Zimmerman to do was to run away. It was not his job to confront anyone, even if that person were violating a law unless someone's life was in danger. If Trayvon Martin were breaking the law Zimmerman should have called the Police.

@RightNYer... You're missing the mark. GZ instigated the fight with Trayvon Martin when he chased the boy down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. Trayvon had every right to defend himself, and just because GZ claim that TM allegedly hit him in the nose, does not in any way give him the right to shoot and kill the boy. Anyone in their right state of mind, neighborhood watch person or not, knows better than to go following a total stranger and particularily someone that they are claiming are 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. It seems clear to me that GZ's medication caused him to act out his aggression toward Trayvon.

Any sane person would have NEVER gotten out of their truck to go following a total stranger, yet, George Zimmerman did so. He accused Trayvon of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good', and despite all of that, he gets out of his truck and chased the boy down on foot with a loaded gun, and then when Trayvon tried to defend himself as best he could, George Zimmerman shot and killed him claiming that he did so in self-defense...That's nonsense..and it defies logic to believe that somebody can accept the notion that GZ is innocent when it was him that chose to set the events into motion that led to him having to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin. The dispatcher even WARNED him not to go following Trayvon, but GZ did so anyway, and that decision caused Trayvon his life and GZ must accept the consequences of his own actions and stop trying to blame other people for the decision that he made that night because noone told him to go following behind somebody that he had just accused of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. He now can not complain that he is being singled out for prosecution or that this is a botched attempted to railroad him.

One of the odles of problems with your wishes is that Zimmerman was not charged with manslaughter. He was charged with 2nd degeee murder. He would NEVER plead down to manslaughter and will never be found guilty of 2nd degree murder.

In Florida, manslaughter is a "lesser included offense" which the jury can consider. If/when this goes to trial, he could be found guilty of manslaughter.

George Zimmerman is GUILTY of Second Degree Murder, and here is WHY:

Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18. Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense, simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences.

George Zimmerman's supporters seem to accept the theory that because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

BRAVO, Devout! Well said, easy enough for some of the simple minded racists present here to grasp (maybe) and I totally agree with you. The mentality used by simpletons and haters are the same ones used by Mitt supporters. Lets keep everything the same rather than evolve as human beings and understand that the old way is going the way of the dinosaurs. All men are created equal but not all of them are enowed psychologically, compassionately and intellectually equal.

Lets hope the GOP becomes extinct until they bring their thinking up to ast least 1985.

In America, its always been traditional to blame the victim especially if the victim is a woman, a child, or a minority.

Oh please, if he had killed a 'white boy' it would have never made national news. Probably not even the local evening news...

I don't know if GZ is innocent or not, but the Prosecution doesn't have enough evidence to convict on murder 2.

My dearest darling Blue, You are a bitter C / unt. My pee pee as you call it may be little but I am definitely no coward. I have stood my ground against men bigger than Martin and never been knocked down, or knocked out in a fight or bar room brawl. I am 71 at present but less than 3 years ago I stopped an young Chinese man who had just picked a woman's clutch purse from her big purse. I held him until 3 of his friends tackled me from the rear helping him to escape my grasp. They however did not get a way as the Chinese men around who seen what had happened captured two of them, one being the thief. I am going to guess that your bitterness toward men is because you were raped. Not all men are rapist in fact the major majority of manhood is not. So your prejudice against any man is uncalled for and you should just let it go and get on with your life.

@Obama Lies...

You're missing
the mark. GZ instigated the fight with Trayvon Martin when he chased the boy
down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. Trayvon had every right to defend himself,
and just because GZ claim that TM allegedly hit him in the nose, does not in
any way give him the right to shoot and kill the boy. Anyone in their right
state of mind, neighborhood watch person or not, knows better than to go
following a total stranger and particularly someone that they are claiming are
'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. It seems clear to me that GZ's medication
caused him to act out his aggression toward Trayvon.

Any sane person
would have NEVER gotten out of their truck to go following a total stranger,
yet, George Zimmerman did so. He accused Trayvon of being 'suspicious' and 'up
to no good', and despite all of that, he gets out of his truck and chased the
boy down on foot with a loaded gun, and then when Trayvon tried to defend
himself as best he could, George Zimmerman shot and killed him claiming that he
did so in self-defense...That's nonsense. And it defies logic to believe that
somebody can accept the notion that GZ is innocent when it was him that chose
to set the events into motion that led to him having to shoot and kill Trayvon
Martin. The dispatcher even WARNED him not to go following Trayvon, but GZ did
so anyway, and that decision caused Trayvon his life and GZ must accept the
consequences of his own actions and stop trying to blame other people for the
decision that he made that night because no one told him to go following behind
somebody that he had just accused of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. He
now cannot complain that he is being singled out for prosecution or that this
is a botched attempted to railroad him.

I feel sorry for your family.

Would any sane person run into a burning building that had been crashed into by a 747 jet.

Yet they did.

God bless our first responders.

This seems to be the same type of weak-minded judge as Ito from the OJ Simpson trial--who basically let Cochran and co. walk all over him for a year or so. I'd like to see the judge issue a gag order on everyone involved in the case so that both sides can stop trying the case in the media (social or otherwise).

Really? What small farm region are you from sir?

He lost his "civil rights" when he chose to stalk and kill and unarmed teenager. With that said, I would suggest everyone just pipe down and let the judicial system run its course. I don't think he will be convicted of murder -- but may be manslaughter. Again, I will just wait for the trial.

Innocent until proven guilty there genius, meaning he has lost no rights at all. Of course you also came right out and said he was guilty so why are you waiting for the trial?

@desselle0010...You're calling GZ a "poor guy"...Please...That poor guy is GUILTY of MURDERING a 17 year old unarmed CHILD...

George Zimmerman is GUILTY of Second Degree Murder, and here
is WHY:

Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not
apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18.
Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as
the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely
accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down
on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only
the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with
Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense,
simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun,
instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George
Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the
advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on
foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a
fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a
late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to
suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a
complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by
himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those
circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for
his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that
chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That
was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences.

George Zimmerman's supporters seem to accept the theory that
because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in
shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the
notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot
and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George
Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any
definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

@ REC

"meaning he has lost no rights at all"

He lost his CCW......and last I heard Shellie was having her CCW taken away too.

Zimmerman is a mentally disturbed loser who followed some one who he saw commit no crime but because he wanted to feel like a hero he created a reason to pursue and coNfront Trayvon. Unfortunately the neigborhood watch empowered this nit wit to think he had the right to do this. He ruined his own life.

bewu, you are absolutely correct.imho.

@Chirs150...I don't know what type of boat you're on but You're missing the mark. GZ instigated the fight with Trayvon Martin when he chased the boy down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. Trayvon had every right to defend himself, and just because GZ claim that TM allegedly hit him in the nose, does not in
any way give him the right to shoot and kill the boy. Anyone in their right state of mind, neighborhood watch person or not, knows better than to go following a total stranger and particularly someone that they are claiming are 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. It seems clear to me that GZ's medication
caused him to act out his aggression toward Trayvon.

Any sane person would have NEVER gotten out of their truck to go following a total stranger, yet, George Zimmerman did so. He accused Trayvon of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good', and despite all of that, he gets out of his truck and chased the boy down on foot with a loaded gun, and then when Trayvon tried to defend himself as best he could, George Zimmerman shot and killed him claiming that he did so in self-defense...That's nonsense. And it defies logic to believe that somebody can accept the notion that GZ is innocent when it was him that chose to set the events into motion that led to him having to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin. The dispatcher even WARNED him not to go following Trayvon, but GZ did
so anyway, and that decision caused Trayvon his life and GZ must accept the consequences of his own actions and stop trying to blame other people for the decision that he made that night because no one told him to go following behind somebody that he had just accused of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. He now cannot complain that he is being singled out for prosecution or that this is a botched attempted to railroad him.

@Lee-1684304..Other than George Zimmerman's self-serving statements, what evidence is there that he acted in self-defense? There is none. To the contrary there is overwhelming evidence that George Zimmerman is GUILTY of Second Degree Murder, and here is WHY:

Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18. Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely
accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense,
simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on
foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a
complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences.

George Zimmerman's supporters seem to accept the theory that because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

lindabew3540-Original:

I think you're on the wrong blog. You should be thumping that Bible elsewhere. As to all your "I believe..." statements, you're entitled to believe whatever you want and express those beliefs too. However, I think you need to have your believer recalibrated.

@hmdivowii...you had better be careful when you make remarks like that toward somebody quoting bible verses because when you make comments like the one you did it's called 'blasphemy' and that's one of the most hated sins in the bible. I'm not getting in a debate with you about it but I warned you.

GZ said it was "gods plan" in his hannity interview.

He also said he "prayed" for TM's parents.....

Was he praying to the same "god" that "PLANNED" for him to murder their kid?

Patrick....a happy atheist

Devout,
I agree with your opinion about Trayvon and why Zimmerman is guilty. Whether Florida sees it the same, we will have to wait and see.

However, I don't recall seeing any "Blaspheming" going on in any comments here, so lighten up. Just because someone doesn't happen to believe the same as you, doesn't make his opinion Blasphemy.

For example, I believe in an all powerful entity, God, but we poor mortals are ALL his children, some happen to be a little more Holy than others. Jesus, Mohammed, Abrahim, and all the other profits, are human, special, but human. Omnipitance, in other words, Good and Evil are in the hearts of ALL Men and Women, which direction we take is our free will.

Linda can believe any way she likes as can you. ALL religions teach tolerance, though some of Gods followers choose to miss that particular lesson.

devout,

Thanks for the warning. However, I think you do not understand how God works...for that matter, I doubt any mortal does.

My point is that being careful doesn't seem to make much difference with God. Note today's news story about a minister being beaten to death with a guitar. Assuming, with all the risks inherent, that the minister was a devout follower and practitioner of "the way," what good did it do him?

To my way of thinking, God is a champion of equal opportunity. Heathens and believers of all faiths get equal chances to thrive and succumb to whatever life has to offer. God does not play favorites.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt, crackle, BANG! Dang, that's the second lightening bolt.

People who defend Martin do so based on everything 3rd and 4th parties think happened. Speculating and changing the only known version of events to suit the outcome they desire. If it happened the way Martin's defenders wish to paint it, it would have happened closer to Martin's Father's Girlfriend's house.

@arguesforsport...

You're missing the mark. GZ instigated the fight with Trayvon Martin when he chased the boy down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. Trayvon had every right to defend himself, and just because GZ claim that TM allegedly hit him in the nose, does not in any way give him the right to shoot and kill the boy. Anyone in their right state of mind, neighborhood watch person or not, knows better than to go following a total stranger and particularly someone that they are claiming are 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. It seems clear to me that GZ's medication caused him to act out his aggression toward Trayvon.

Any sane person would have NEVER gotten out of their truck to go following a total stranger, yet, George Zimmerman did so. He accused Trayvon of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good', and despite all of that, he gets out of his truck and chased the boy down on foot with a loaded gun, and then when Trayvon tried to defend himself as best he could, George Zimmerman shot and killed him claiming that he did so in self-defense...That's nonsense. And it defies logic to believe that somebody can accept the notion that GZ is innocent when it was him that chose to set the events into motion that led to him having to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin. The dispatcher even WARNED him not to go following Trayvon, but GZ did so anyway, and that decision caused Trayvon his life and GZ must accept the consequences of his own actions and stop trying to blame other people for the decision that he made that night because no one told him to go following behind somebody that he had just accused of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. He
now cannot complain that he is being singled out for prosecution or that this is a botched attempted to railroad him.

Therefore your comment that "... it would have happened closer to Martin's Father's Girlfriend's house", makes no sense when George Zimmerman is CHASING the boy with a loaded gun.

Guess you missed the entire 911 transcript that has been posted and linked a million times here. You know, like that little bit right after George was told "we don't need you to do that" (not a warning, btw, just the authorities covering their own collective butts) and he replies "OK"....then later when asked where Trayvon was by the 911 operator he replied that he didn't know where. But that just leads Martin's supporters to the desired conclusion "Oh he's a liar" and he was still hot on the trail and lying to the dispatcher while knowing the whole time the police could be there any second and spoil his nefarious plans......c'mon...be honest with yourself and get real!

Using just "knowns" and leaving out all the pure speculation (as any, and I mean any, scenario that has overweight Zimmerman chasing down athletic Trayvon, guns blazing as many depictions like to have you believe), Zimmerman is innocent.

If he is so "innocent," then he will have no trouble proving same beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a jury of his peers.

eboniteprince

If he is so "innocent," then he will have no trouble proving same beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a jury of his peers.

I think you have the burden on the wrong side here... The PROSECUTION must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. George only needs to prove self defense to the preponderance of the evidence standard in April.

Apparently the prosecution (and persecution) doesn't want the real evidence known by the general public. Now why would that be?

If he is so guilty, why does the prosecution not want the facts published? THEY have to prove his guilt.

@Bobit...If GZ was so "innocent" then he wouldn't need Trayvon Martin's school records, twitter or facebook posts to prove it...

@ Devout, If Martin was just an innocent little boy as the media would have us believe, then the Facebook, Twitter, and Schools records would be worthless wouldn't they.

Bobit, Why do you think GZ is innocent explain please? He called 911 about a suspicous person, he then got out of his truck and followed this person, after an altercation he killed this person. How is HE innocent? Was it not HIS action of getting out of his truck the reason the altercation happened? What happened to personal responsiblity? How does stalking someone become the stalkees fault? Please explain? If I get in my car after tying one on, and I hit somebody is that the person it hits fault? No, I was the one who started the chain of events.

I am so sick of the society we live in where everybody blames someone else. I was actually respecting a murder this week because at least he confused to what he had done. Is GZ guilty of 2nd degree murder I don't know that is for a jury to decide. However, GZ is guilty of putting the circumstances in play that caused a young man to die. For that HE IS GUILTY!! The 911 operatior insturcted him to say where he was and not follow the "suspicous person". GZ made a decision to leave the safety of his vehicle and follow the kid. Zimmerman could have stayed a safe distance, he didn't he was close enough that they had a physical altercation. Not once has GZ said HE made a bad decision, which makes me think he still doesn't understand what he did. When I am wrong, I admit it, and I take the consequences of actions no matter how hard they are. It is a shame so many people here DO not believe they have to take responsiblity for their actions, it is very sad that they feel it is okay to blame the dead kid and relieve GZ of any responsiblity for his actions. GZ does NOT think what he did was wrong and many people here think the same thing. However, because of GZ actions that night a young man is DEAD. For that he should admit he is guilty of something!

Rosco,
The VICTIM is NOT on trial.

You are the reason we have issues with the judicial system in this country. You need to realize that Trayvon is dead, Zimmerman killed him. He was unarmed. Those are the facts. There may have been some mitigating circumstances, and that will be the telling factor. The issue isn't IF he is guilty, it's; of what, and how long is he going to be in Prison.

The victim of an ambush, attack and attempted murder is on trial.

It is a shame that more losers like Trayvon Martin do not end up dead in a hurry. Zimmermann did society a great favor and will never be convicted. Let it be a lesson to other thugs what can happen when you least expect it. Can't wait for the trial and to see Zimmermann go free. Hope that he sues a bunch of people afterwards. This is gonna be good!

@wascigarman...You're a nut case obvious...but that's a personal problem, and most likely a birth mark...

We all know that George Zimmerman is GUILTY of Second Degree Murder, and here is WHY:

Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18. Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely
accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense,
simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on
foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a
complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences.

George Zimmerman's supporters seem to accept the theory that because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

It bears mentioning that to this VERY Day, neither George Zimmerman, his attorneys or the ones that support his cause, have produced a scintilla of evidence that Trayvon was doing anything whatsoever illegal when George Zimmerman accused him of being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. Indeed, George Zimmerman has a long storied hsitory of calling 911 reporting just about anybody that was black as being 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'. That was his thing that resonated with him. Just because a 17 year old kid is walking home in the rain with his hoody on from a 7-11 store, does not make them 'suspicious' and 'up to no good'.

People with your mentality that call people a 'punk' simply because they tried to defend themselves from somebody like George Zimmerman chasing them around the block in the rain with a loaded 9mm gun, need their head examined.

Devout. Obviously you are all for Punks, Thugs, Crooks ETC. In my part of Florida, we do not put up with you Die Hards, You come on our Property, Break in our houses, You are Shot Period. You had better stay out of Florida if you are a Punk who thinks its cool to steal, do drugs rob old ladies, that old lady probably is carrying, and WILL shoot you. Stay home devout and you will be safe from us Americans who believe in protecting ourselves and our property.

@wascigarman.. Are you suggesting that TM was a shot by GZ because he 'stole, did drugs, robbed old ladies"? Last I understood the facts GZ claimed to have TM for a number of reasons including because he was "reacting to having his nose broken", but NEVER has he or anyone else have ever stated that they say TM "stealing, doing drugs or robbing old ladies". That's probably some sh&t that you made up to justify calling TM a punk, thug or crock etc.

Let me put it to you this way..You can call me a Punk, Thug, or Crook as freely as you like but at the end of the end, EVERY single person that has posted any comment on here or else where about George Michael Zimmerman, knows that you wouldn't dare say any of what you typed to my face because if you did, I would rearrange your face and have your mouth replaced as your @!$%#..And you will be walk around with your ass hanging out of your mouth...You're just like George Zimmerman, a low life PUNK..And take somebody like me to make you understand that you're barkin' up the wrong tree..I wouldn't stop with you, I would go after your WHOLE entire Family bumping them off one by one...

You come on our Property, Break in our houses, You are Shot Period.

Unfortunately, Trayvon Martin never did any of these things. His only crime was wearing a hoodie and going to 7-11. For that he received the death penalty. So in your opinion any walking on the street should be shot! GZ was NOT protecting himself or his property when he first saw TRayvon.

@idremhd...The State does not need to prove who started the fight..The evidence is plain and clear and the Jury will use commonsense to decipher who started the fight and that would be George Michael Zimmerman. GZ instigated the fight with Trayvon Martin when he chased the boy down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, and anyone in Trayvon's shoes would probably have been scared near about to death from being chased by a stranger in the dark in the rain. There has NEVER been any evidence whatsoever that Martin "circled back around the car and attacked Zimmerman". That's just some sh@t that you and the other George Zimmerman supporters made up.

In fact, Witness 2 provided a statement saying that she actually SAW the chase and that shortly afterward their was a 'fist' fight. She NEVER saw MARTIN attack Zimmerman. Moreover, Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18. Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense, simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences. George Zimmerman's supporters seem to accept the theory that because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

Furthermore, you stated in your comment that "a guy approach you two weeks ago parked in front of your friends house, asked if "[you] needed any help". You told him to leave you alone, and you didn't attack him. That very well may be true, but if the guy tried to 'detain' you, as George Zimmerman tried to do Trayvon Martin, what would you have done?

There is NO proof that Trayvon committed ANY of those crimes that happened before. Trayvon did NOT come on to GZ property. So in your opinion YOU can shoot ANYONE you want because there had been privous crimes in the neighborhood?

So, how would GZ have known that ? Why would he follow this kid when asked not to? Is he sometype of psychic, or something? Does the law base facts on "intuition" nowadays? Also, I see smilin' faces on the photo. The ones who smile last, are the ones who smile the longest...whether or not GZ is found innocent by a court of law, he and he alone will have to live with the real truth. No human being is "real trash" as you put it, not even you with your trashy remarks...Personally, I would not stoop low enough to hate you, or your kind...and this is real.

No not psychic. Just knows a nig-let who is up to no good when he sees one. Get over yourself.

And yeah. I know it is real...I was mugged by one such person as little trevon last year. He took 32 dollars and put me in the hospital for 2 months recovering from knife wounds.
I put his black 19 year old ass in jail for 30 to life for attempted murder.

So don't preach to me about real little girl. Or whoever the hell you are.

I don't give a rats anus.

be well now...

idiot.

to Speaker for the dead: Beautifully said and so true. Thank you for summing things up so nicely and accurately!

whether or not GZ is found innocent by a court of law, he and he alone will have to live with the real truth.

Good, he should sleep like a baby when this is all done.

Devout you are an idiot.

@REC-1797069, and WHY am I an idiot? Is it because I speak the truth and it hurts, or just what is it that make you call me an idiot..

Speaker for the Dead 91,

I was raped when I was 16 by a white man so should I as that your are a rapist too? Should I have a right to kill every single white man who I think is threatening because believe me, I would if the law would allow!

I am sorry about what happened to you but NOT every black man is out to hurt you just the way I have to learn that every man I see is not thinking about throwing me in a dark alley and doing the unspeakable to me.

Devout, you are an idiot because you want me dead. You must have threatened my life and my family's lives 5 times in your hateful post..

See, here is the problem with all you "angry young black turd for brains males...AND THIS WHY WHY THE far superior white people kept you in slavery as long as we did..."

And why you are STILL our slaves.

(and always will be.)

You think that just because you are bigger and stronger than me, that you are superior. (if that were true then Gorillas would own us in a real life planet of the Apes...)

And you cannot deny that many of you look like the chimps and gorillas in the ZOO. Show me a picture of a white man that looks like a monkey in a zoo?

I will wait...
Show me a picture of a black man that looks like a zoo ANIMAL...It won't be hard to find.

The sloping forehead, small brain. big dick, stuck out teeth...really BOYS, you REALLY do look like monkeys in a zoo....and NOW,,,with your pants worn around your knees, you big asses. You should paint those ass cracks and wear them proudly nig boys...

For you are naught but trained monkeys.

Well that's why have have your stupid black butts in chains picking my cotton while I have sex with your black whores...I don't want to impregnate them,,YOU can do that because I want the children of my slaves as stupid as you are, and big and strong, so they can can do more work. (which later on when I "free you" can be translated into genetically big football players, basketball players and boxers, so we intellectually superior white people can enjoy watching you kill each other. (It isn't as fun as when we had gladiators, but the blood sport is still there, and we don't mind paying you bucks so you can sing your jungle bunny chants and ride in your bouncing cars...but make no mistake, you will never be our equals at ruling the world, you will ALWAYS be our slaves. Get used to it N****rs
It's like that Eddie Murphy comedy skit... "Cill my landlawd. Cill my landlawd C.I.L.L. my LAND. LAWD.

God that's funny.

So I will let that go for now. I enjoy talking with nig-lets,,,they are so inferior and easy to own.

So don't give up.

Say something intelligent and you can stay.

But I can tell that you were educated in prison, and have the mind of a child.

A child with a gun is dangerous...

And as for little precious trevon...God rest his nig-let soul.

(You know, when Treyvon got to heaven , God gave him a set of wings...

Treyvon asked God, "Gee, does this mean I am an Angel now???"

God replied "No, NIG_LET!. IT MEANS YOU ARE A BAT..."

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy halloween nigs...

I look forward to your idiotic replies...

Pick my cotton clean now BOYS, or you will be whipped...

If he did not break the law because of "stand you ground" then that is EXACTLY what TRAYVON was doing, standing his ground, why is it different because one was black and the other white?????? HE IS GUILTY PERIOD and YOU are as clueless as they come and racist to boot!

Ummm Yeah you are the one who is clueless. standing your ground doesn't mean attacking a dude thats following you. Thats what neighborhood watch people do, they watch you. Zimmerman followed Martin, so he could watch him. He did this because of the 8 burglaries that had occurred in the neighborhood involving young black men. Martin decided to beat Zimmerman's face in, and lost his life in the process. There are no laws that say you can't follow a suspicious person who is cutting trough yards in your high crime neighborhood. THERE ARE LAWS AGAINST BEATING THE HELL OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH VOLUNTEER. It doesn't matter if Martin was scared, he should have left it alone and he would still be alive today, breaking into cars and smoking blunts.

@sandra-brooks...The more I teach you George Zimmerman supporters, the dummier you all get.

George Zimmerman is GUILTY of Second Degree Murder, and here is WHY:

Under Florida Law, the Stand Your Ground statute does not apply to CHILDREN, also classified as a Juvenile, a person under the age or 18. Nor will the regular self-defense statute will help George Zimmerman because as the evidence make clear, George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, falsely
accused him of being suspicious, got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun. It is obvious that George Zimmerman was not only the aggressor but he was also the instigator. He instigated a fight with Trayvon Martin and he cannot now complain that he shot Trayvon in self-defense,
simply because you cannot chase somebody down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun, instigate a fight, shoot and kill them, and that is exactly what George Zimmerman did. He wrongly accused Trayvon of being suspicious, and over the advice of the dispatcher, he got out of his truck and chased Trayvon down on
foot with a loaded 9mm gun. George Zimmerman, for all purposes, instigated a fight with Trayvon and as we all know, anyone being chased by a stranger on a late rainy night has every right to defend themselves. It defies logic to suggest that Trayvon was not in fear for his life when George Zimmerman, a
complete stranger to Trayvon, was chasing Trayvon who was 'unarmed' and by himself at night in the rain. Anyone would be in fear of their life under those circumstances. It's basic instincts and we all know that.

George Zimmerman could not have possibly been in fear for his life when he encountered Trayvon Martin simply because he is the one that chose to chase Trayvon down on foot with a loaded 9mm gun to begin with. That was his OWN decision that he chose to make and it brought about consequences.

George Zimmerman's supporters seem to accept the theory that because Trayvon allegedly 'attacked' Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting and killing Trayvon. That's nonsense, and anyone that supports the notion that a grown man can instigate a fight with a 17 year old child, shoot and kill them and claim self-defense, need their heads examined. George Zimmerman is guilty of the Second Degree Murder of Trayvon Martin under any definition and to hold otherwise would be a complete miscarriage of Justice.

@idremhd..I am convinced that people like you that support George Zimmerman are not only clueless but totally ignore basic commonsense.

George Zimmerman did MORE than just FOLLOW Trayvon Martin that night. He went further. He chased the boy down in the rain with a load 9mm GUN. Clearly Trayvon TRIED to get away from this lunactic but George Zimmerman was determined to 'detained' Trayvon because in his own words, "These a&&holes they always get away." When GZ tried unsuccessfully to detain TM, he shot and killed the boy. And if you believe for one second that somebody will attack anybody without FIRST being provoked, then you lack the commonsense that god gave a grasshopper. And if you're as stupid as you make yourself to be by believing TM attacked GZ then you are clueless.

Devout, you are so off the mark in my opinion. As a matter of fact, you have your information convoluted. There is not one thing you can teach me. Where do you get off posting someone's address off of the vine. It is exceptionally dangerous. You Devout have a problem. I hope meet again after you see and hear the not guilty for Zimmerman. AND I have never met him or any of his friends.

@sandra-brooks..Girl Please..If you want to meet me again on here or any where for that matter, all you have to do is post a contact number and address, and I'll pay you a personal visit and we can sit down and have a nice long debate over this because as I said before George Zimmerman is guilty of MURDER and the whole world knows that. Place your daughter 'Sandy' in TM's shoes. What would you do if your 17 year old daughter was walking home from a store in the rain with a bag of cotex, and GZ saw her and started following her and she started to walk face trying to get away from GZ but he started chasing your daughter with a loaded 9mm gun, grabs her trying to detain her, she swings and hit him breakin' his nose and he pulls out his gun and shoot her in the chest killing her. What would you do? I'm sure you would make the exact same comment you did on here by saying, "No way! No freaking way. ALL evidence proves Zimmerman as NOT guilty. He may or may not have made some bad decisions but he did not break the law. Sandy (your daughter) did when she laid her hands on Zimmerman LIKE with a punch. AND by the way and although I am not an Attorney, they charrged him with 2nd degree murder. It was a HUGE mistake. He will never plead, not be found guilty of 2nd degree murder."..Isn't that what you would have to say if your 17 year old daughter was in Trayvon's shoes?

@Sandra-Brooks...I know so much more about you...Let's see. I know that you are a Gemini and that you are a Community Broker and Animal Advocate. I also know that you are a volunteer with the Chain Free Asheville, Animal Compassion Network and that you are also a Member of Preservation Society of Asheville and Buncombe County, Blue Ridge Toastmasters (VP of Education), North Carolina Arboretum, Western North Carolina Green Building Council.

You are also a Board member of the Beverly Hills Homeowner's Association, Chairperson for Yearly Yard Sale and Historic Committee. Quite frankly, you do work at Mosaic Community Lifestyle at 797 Haywood Road, Suite 2, in Asheville, NC 28806.

Very interesting, huh?

So Sandra, your walking out of a mall it is closing hour. A man follows you out. follows you to your car. You get in your car, he gets in his and he follows you. You stop at 7-11 he follows you in. Then he blocks you from you car. He approachs you, YOU feel frightened, you feel menaced, He is bigger than you, he comes closer to you. You don't think you have a righrt to defend yourself? Wow, what a victim you are! I guess Mitt Romney won't be wanting YOUR vote!

I would at that point do what it took to get away from someone stalking me! That is what the stand your ground law is suppose to be, when someone is menacing you, stalking you, frightening you, NOT when you think some doesn't have the right to be IN YOUR neighborhood. Trayvon is the one who is innocent,Zimmerman made "bad" decisions by taking the law into his own hands!