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Miatid Amini makes his way with his family onto a truck in Moonachie, N.J., on Tuesday. Frank Mercadante, right, assists.
TETERBORO, N.J., Updated at 3:15 p.m. ET — Residents of four northern New Jersey towns inundated when a levee failed to hold back Sandy's storm surge said Tuesday that they were terrified to see a torrent of water racing through their streets.
"Around 10 p.m. (Monday) water just started rushing down the street ... there was no stopping it," said Stefania Davi, 34, of Little Ferry, one of the four Bergen County boroughs hit by the floodwaters. Two hours later, it burst through the family's garage door. "We're doomed," Davi remembered thinking.
Davi, a mother of three boys, and her husband, Salvatore, were among hundreds of residents of Moonachie, Little Ferry, South Hackensack and Hackensack drying out and trading hugs and tears early Tuesday at the Bergen County Technical High School in Teterboro.
There also were tales of dramatic rescues.
Frank Lofaro, 32, said he jumped on his Jet Ski to help ferry about a dozen of his neighbors in Little Ferry to waiting rescue boats.
"We'll do our own share," he remembered thinking, though he acknowledged he was scared piloting the personal watercraft through the water.
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The flood aftermath in Moonachie, N.J., on Tuesday.
He also used the Jet Ski to take his wife, Angela Valenta, 37, their two children and their 5-year-old dog, Lucky Leo, to the rescue boats.
Valenta said her son, 9-year-old Angelo, was crying during the flooding. "He kept saying, 'Am I going to die?'" she said.
There were conflicting accounts on whether the levee protecting the towns broke or was overtopped.
The National Weather Service issued a statement Tuesday morning saying that "portions" of the towns were submerged after the levee broke. But Jeanne Baratta, a spokeswoman for Bergen County Executive Kathleen Donovan, said the flooding occurred after the swollen Hackensack River overflowed its banks, Reuters reported.
Watch aerials from WCAU of the devastation from Sandy along the New Jersey Shore. Raw video.
She told the New Jersey newspaper, The Record that the towns, along with parts of Carlstadt, had been "devastated" by the flood of water. And she said that as many as 1,000 residents had to leave their homes and that people in a trailer park had to climb onto the roofs of their trailers to await rescue, NBCNewYork.com reported.
Among those evacuating residents were members of an extended family from the area with a military-style transport cargo truck. By mid-afternoon, they had ferried an estimated 275 passengers, including a pregnant woman, children and pets, to the shelter and other stops in the truck, which had rubber bats and lights inside from recent duty as a Halloween ride.
During a trip into the flood zone residents waved the truck down as it plowed through several feet of standing water, or simply waved and cheered the crew on.
"People in need, that's what we're all about," said John Mercadante, 47, president of a medical imaging center in Clifton.
One of those they plucked up from their flooded doorstep was Russell Gassler, 56, and his mother, Claire, 80. The younger Gassler, a driver for a paint business, said his street was "bone dry" until the water started "raging" down it.
"It just came, the waves," he said. "I just couldn't believe it."
Little Ferry Mayor Mauro Raguseo, who was greeting fellow residents at the Teterboro shelter, was unable to shed any light on the cause. "All we were told is that it's a levee problem," he said.
Raguseo said that rescues were continuing early Tuesday afternoon.
"I'm just concerned at the moment for the people that are still in their homes," he said.
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Laura Wyer sits with her dog Bailey in the Bergen County Technical School on Tuesdayafter being evacuated from her home in Moonachie, N.J.
Davi and her husband and three boys watched nervously through the night, "just praying and praying" as the floodwater lapped at the threshold of their raised first-floor living quarters.
It never came in, though, before the family was rescued by boat early Tuesday, along with their 2-year-old Cocker Spaniel, Rosie.
Davi, who was able to grab some family photos and computers before climbing into the boat, said she was feeling optimistic that her family would soon be back on its feet despite the ordeal.
"Today's a new day and tomorrow will be another one," she said. "I survived cancer. I can survive a flood."
Levee break Borough of Moonachie Bergen County. nixle.us/83P77
— NJSP - State Police (@NJSP) October 30, 2012
But Mayor Raguseo said he was among the residents to feel the Sandy's full sting.
"I've lost everything as well,” he said of the home that he moved into six months ago. "It's just devastating."
Rescuers are going door-to-door to save residents in Moonachie, N.J. stranded by floodwater caused by Sandy.
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I hope all those people are OK. I also hope they realize what idiots they were by not evacuating. And before anyone says I'm insensitive, talk to the families of the emergency personnel that had to risk their lives to save those morons...
Tim - You are right as far as those who have the means and mental capacity to get out. However, there are poor people of no means with no where to go who probably stayed behind. Add to that those of lesser mental capacity who fail to make sound judgements every other day of their lives...
I wouldn't be so quick to call each and every one of them "idiots" and "morons". I'm sure there are many who felt they had no other option...
By the way - I am a former emergency services worker...
Morons. Hmmm. What a thing to say about someone who may not have had a choice to stay or to go. There were people who evacuated to shelters, who then had to be evacuated from the shelters. Broad blanket judgments are usually made by people with very narrow perceptions of real life.
I'm just curious: During Katrina when the levees broke in New Orleans we were hearing that George Bush intentionally let the levees break because he "hated black people". With the levees in NJ breaking are some going to now say that Obama let this happen intentionally because he "hated white people"?
I'm guessing that most poor people still have feet. As to "no where to go", I claim that "a place where there isn't water up to your butt" is "somewhere to go."
What else would you call them?
Having lived across the river from those towns I can tell you that they are far upriver from the shore. THEY WERE NOT TOLD TO EVACUATE because they weren't in the flood area. These towns are in the NJ Meadowlands and that area used to be nothing but Salt-Water Marshland. Some Rich and Greedy Bass-terd got the idea to fill and build and the lack of the marshes that regulate the water table is what caused this part of the Catastrophe.
In the future, KNOW the facts before you start the name calling and accusations. After all isn't there enough of that in this Election Year?
Ahhh Denver Bill... Yes, we are all equal in your eyes. We all have 2 feet to walk away from a 1000 mile wide storm...
I suppose we all have the money to drive 500 miles inland to find a hotel room empty so we have somewhere to sleep, and the gas money to drive there, and the money to pay for the room, and the money to pay for anything else we need to get by.
Look Bill, I am a conservative republican who has always believed in pulling yourself up by your boot straps, but one big lesson I learned from Katrina is there will always be those less fortunate (in many ways) than myself. We are not all equal - financially or mentally...
My mother is in a nursing home. What if the administration decided to ride out the storm? What if (like the NY hospital) the back up generators that run the life support equipment failed and my mother died. Would my mother be the moron, or would she be the idiot? Please Denver Bill, enlighten me...? As is the case in about every single attempt to do so, those who lump 100% of people into specific categories are wrong 100% of the time.
Go ahead and pick this apart and backpedal in 3... 2... 1...
Nice attempt to put words in my mouth. Wrong, but nice.
Not all, but most (as I said). I also said, if you bothered to read my comment before attempting to tear it apart, that intelligent people get away from rising water, not from a 1,000-mile wide storm. You must own livestock. You seem to have plenty of straw to make men for your arguments.
You suppose wrong. Still plenty of straw left, I see.
Agreed. I knew that before Katrina.
You are either not as smart as you sound, or purposely obtuse. Your mother would be the victim of idiots or morons.
Done and not gonna do.
levees breaking are obamas fault. he knew they werent rated for a category one but he did nothing to fix and reinforce them. this is his fault.
Thank you, ConcernedOne. I have relatives in NJ, NY, DC, Va & WVa. Nobody is immune. And, one day, it IS GOING TO BE YOU. Just wait until you wear the other shoe. I believe in God and I know He will always make us eat every word we speak. That's why the saying goes ... "make sure your words are sweet."
Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
Now, cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move...
A little surprised you are saying that's not a flood zone. I distinctly remember many years ago when I lived in Bergen County that the parking lot for the Hackensack Court House would flood in heavy rains. It's pretty much ALWAYS flooded along that portion of the river there. And if you go to FEMA's website there's sure as heck a ton of info less than a year old about revised flood impact along the Hackensack-Passaic Watershed.
wow i see a lot of hateful words flying back and forth during a time where instead of being nasty to one another we should be concerned for those who are in danger ... this is a terrible storm it will devistate the east coast and it will do dammage of one sort or another all over the world... so maybe we should send positive thoughts thier way ... not snip at each other .... peace....
"Tim you Ignorant Bastige" to twist Patton's words a bit. This was about 160 miles north of the strike zone and was not a mandatory evacuation area as an area I work by. This is low lying previously swamp land near the Meadowlands were the Jets and Giants play. The areas that had mandatory evacuations were the barrier Islands and Cape May areas... What caused the flooding in this area was 1) low liying area, rivers being pumped up by full moon high tide(yes moon effects rivers tides too not just oceans) and the high intensity winds.....
As for those comparing this to Katrina and New Orleans this levee wasn't like the NOLA levees where people said for 20 years they need repairing...Comparing apples to flying dragons there.
Here's a clue if your not from the north east stfu when you don't know what your talking about and stop trying to make political comparisons. Both Christie(repub) and Obama(demo) have handled this quite well...especially Christie and I'm independent...Just goes to show how different people can handle things.
OMG! a levee broke?? I guess this was Obama's fault...since liberals blamed the broken levees in New Orleans on Bush...
YOU CAN COUNT ON ROMNEY AND REPUBLICANS TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GETTING HELP FROM FEMA.
ROMNEY WANTS TO KILL FEMA AND PRIVATIZE IT SO THE GREEDY RICH CAM BE THE MIDDLEMEN REAPING PROFITS FROM MONEY THAT SHOULD BE GOING DIRECTLY TO VICTIMS IN NEED. rYAN PLAN SLASHES BILLIONS FROM THE FEMA FUNDING SOURCE IN ORDER TO GIVE MORE TAX BREAKS TO THE RICH AND ROMNEY!
Republicans have been blocking aid to victims for years just to slow the recovery process down to make the president look bad.
By Aviva Shen on Oct 29, 2012 at 10:25 am
Red Hook, Brooklyn flooded on Monday morning
The East Coast is bracing for the ever-strengthening Hurricane Sandy, which will affect 50 million people when it makes landfall on Monday evening. President Obama has declared a state of emergency in 7 states and DC, allowing them to receive federal funds for emergency disaster assistance.
Depending on the outcome of next week’s election, future victims of natural disasters may not be able to receive the same kind of assistance. Mitt Romney has suggested shutting down FEMA and turning disaster relief over to private companies. Meanwhile, House Republicans have repeatedly attempted to slash funds for disaster preparedness and response in 2011:
With each major natural disaster in 2011, House Republicans dug in their heels over providing disaster relief. They repeatedly demanded the funds be offset by other spending cuts in the budget — even as a deadly tornado tore through Missouri, an earthquake shook Virginia, and when Hurricane Irene struck the east coast last year.
The politicization of disaster relief is likely to continue; the House Republican budget ignored a bipartisan agreement to make it easier to fund disaster relief, instead insisting again that spending cuts offset the emergency aid.
REPUBLICONS LEAVE A TRAIL PROVING THEY WANT TO STOP ANY RECOVERY OF AMERICA, EVEN STOPPING FUNDING TO DISASTER VICTIMS!!!
REPUBLICANS PREVENT THE ECONOMY FROM GETTING BETTER!THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN AFTER HURRICANE SANDY!
REPUBLICONS AND ROMNEY DO THEIR BEST TO STOP GIVING AID TO DISASTER VICTIMS. ROMNEY WANTED TO KILL FEMA. REPUBS KILLED FUNDING FOR FEMA WHEN AMERICANS NEED HELP.
REPUBLICANS DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE THE NATION FAIL JUST TO ELECT THEIR CANDIDATE!
REPUBS HATE FEMA AND DEFUND FEMA TO MAKE THE NATION FAIL AND SUFFER!
Source :http://www.editedforclarity.com/2011/09/13/republicans-block-fema-funds-for-disaster-relief/
Republicans Block FEMA Funds For Disaster Relief
Posted by Leo Soderman on 9/13/11 • Categorized as News,Opinion
We have mentioned before (here and here) about how Eric Cantor has said he will block relief funds without offsetting cuts. He threatened to do it with funds for relief in Joplin, MO after their devastating F5 tornado, and again with Hurricane Irene. Apparently, the outcry about his positions did nothing to change the Republican mindset, and last night they voted to block a FEMA funding bill, never allowing it to come to a vote. Via Raw Story:
So – flooding victims aren’t getting the funds, and the people of Joplin are being victimized again, not by an act of God but an act of Senate Republicans. Keep in mind that this wasn’t a vote to deny the funds. It was a vote to deny the funding ever being considered. Maybe they thought that if it didn’t come up for a full vote, they could sweep it under the rug. I have a hunch those folks who have lost homes, businesses – even family members – won’t be so eager to see this swept away without full consideration.
Disaster relief is one of the things that government is best suited for. But as the constant drone from the right tells us, we should have no government. That somehow, these people should be able to fend for themselves when these disasters happen. As Ron Paul said in the CNN/Tea Party Express debate, that’s freedom.
In this case, it’s the freedom to lose everything you own and care about, and not get any help in recovering. I hope the folks in these hard-hit areas remember who pulled the rug out from under them when the 2012 elections roll around.
JEEZUS Starsailing (aka Moe)...
Do you have one original thought of your own? What do you do each morning...compile you lefty list of cut-n-paste from the Huffington Post...then plaster your BS on every vine?
Liberals are so funny...pathetic, but funny all the same.
I can't help but think of my friends in NYC who remark that 'Well, Texas has hurricanes' when I complain about their cold, ice and snow every winter.
Politics being what it is in New Jersey chances are the levees along the Hackensack River haven't received any consideration as to adequacy in years.
As someone who lives in New Orleans who was called an idiot, etc. for living here (why do I live here in that low lying area, they should get rid of New Orleans, etc.), should I be a vile bitch and say ha ha ha, look what is happening there? No. I am not saying they deserve what is happening, but folks should realize that @!$%# happens everywhere and it is capable of doing there what it did to us in the south. Everybody has something that happens. I hope they fare well.
"I'm just curious: During Katrina when the levees broke in New Orleans we were hearing that George Bush intentionally let the levees break because he "hated black people". With the levees in NJ breaking are some going to now say that Obama let this happen intentionally because he "hated white people"?"
what freaking morons around here.
I dont recall people blaming the broken levee's on bush.
IT WAS THE RESPONSE YOU DAMN MORONS!
you'll notice, these folks were being evacuted the minute it happened.
NOT DAYS LATER.
where the hell were you all when katrina happened? clearly not watching the news.
Those voting for Romney??
and no doubt, those levies did require updating and perhaps had they been addressed wouldnt have toppled/broke.
but ya know, we'd rather blow up our deficit fighting pointless wars and giving tax cuts to rich people.
thats our priorities ya know...why fix up our own nation, for our own people and their safety...when rich people can buy 3 extra yachts and call that "job creation".
fixing infrastructure creates jobs too - and the cool part - we all benefit from that job creation, not just rich people.
I don't have any compassion, or snot, for the helpless flood victims who ride in bass boats while rescuers pull them through water overlapping their socks.
Let's see, that American Jobs Act that House Teabaggers have been avoiding at all costs includes a lot of infrastructure projects. I wonder how many levees would have been upgraded if we didn't have so many party-first obstructionists on the gov't payroll?
Just a note, I live in the French Quarter, so I stayed home not because I'm an idiot, but because I knew the building I live in was and still is strong. I never blamed GB for the levees failure, I blame the Army Corps of Engineers and the levee board who did not build them correctly and did not maintain them. I blame any agency that does not do their appointed job. I also want to state that you would think after Katrina other places that have levees would check them regardless, but apparently they suffer from the same delusion that their levess are okay. I just say be prepared. I am sure this is a storm equal to Katrina, it's going to happen once and then maybe in another 100 years. Who knows. I do think it was stupid for a reporter to suggest that folks go to their basements. Wrong suggestion if you are near water.
@ concernedone
They were offered transportation and evacuation takes into account people without vehicles and other special populations such as special needs etc. Fact of the matter is there are multiple shelters available and there was shuttle services. Public/social media was blasted with this information well in advance. There was more than enough time to evacuate and more than enough warning. If they did not evacuate it was simply their choice.
They were blocked by the local government when they tried to revamp the levee system in New Orleans.
cantakitnomore.........Boo...........HOO........mission accomplished......posting and writing about facts....leaves you rt wingers..... whining.......and knowing you are backing the wrong Team to lead America!
Where was Obama when the levee broke! Oh wait, never mind, I forgot. George Bush must have snuck in and blew it up.
No starsailing...
I watch real news...not NBC, ABC, and sometimes CNN. You ought to watch Fox once in a while...fair and balanced. Not some BS lefty drivel like what's usually on MSNBC and the Huffington Post...LOL! BTW, I get on these vines just to laugh at the likes of you, Feisty, Jodi, Beverly, Dorr, and the other MSNBC goons.
Libbies are funny!
NOBAMA 2012!
ROFL
ProBusiness says:
That is a fair question - yet libbies collapsed this post - as though somehow just one of these statements is true and the other a racist comment. Libbies seem to have a real problem with a differing opinion. Does it bother them to be held responsible for their own opinions? Probably.
Remember this the "UNGODLY CORRIDOR" Delaware, N.J. ,Phila, N.Y. Conn. Liberal strongholds who support killing babies,gay marriage, 16oz. sweat drink bans,Mooslime killers, UnGodly public sector unions and O'Bama voters.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT US CONGRESS DID, THE BLAME GAME. So during the US Congressional Katrina Hearings, US Congress got their arses spanked by the US Army Corps of Engineers US Military Officer, that asked them why US Congress and President Clinton Chopped the US Defense Budget.
That's Right the US Army Corps of Engineer Longterm Projects and Programs internal to the US are paid for by the US Defense Budget, just like all their Infrastructure Project and Programs within the US.
So keep sucking up President Obama's LIE, demanding a US Defense Budget Cut, then saying Build Infrasture. If you give the funds to the States that money only goes to the Illegal Aliens that displaced the US Labor Union Construction Workers, and does NOT create jobs for US Citizens. Unlike the US Army Corps of Engineers and US Military, "US Military Must Buy Only US Products, Goods, and Services".
Those are FACTS, not opinions.
What matters NOW, is how President Obama responds to this Crisis.
starsailing,
Stop Trolling. You have been proven wrong so many times, politicizing human tragedies.
You want to Politicize a real human tragedy. CREATED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR POLITICAL GAIN INFLAMED THE 1.5 BILLION ISLAMIC BELIEVERS WORLDWIDE TO VIOLENCE AGAINST THE US WORLDWIDE AS RELAYED TO THE ISLAMIC BELIEVERS AT ALL THE MOSQUES WORLDWIDE.
Biden at DNC: "Bin Laden is dead, General Motors is alive"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKCwQnIygcw
With the Islamic Believer Demonstators and Islamic Jihadists Worldwide chanting:
"OBAMA OBAMA WE ARE ALL OSAMA" DEMO IN TUNISIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfaKSX3m7Tk
Cairo protesters- Obama we are all Osama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJGX1JzyFc
President Obama then blames this on a video that most did not see because many do not have electricity, cell service, nor internet; and were told the video existed by the Imams at the Mosques.
Result DEAD US CITIZENS and the Islamic World's Increased Hatred of the US for the "Murder" (their word) of their "Holy Warrior of Islam" Superstar Osama Bin Laden. This is WORSE than going to Italy and killing the Pope, then continually bragging that you murdered the Pope Internationally. This made even the previously Pro US and Neutral Islamic Believers to Join the Islamic Holy War as Islamic Jihadists as a Unified Force of over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers.
And it was President Bush that kept GM alive with his: 2008 President Bush's GM and Chrysler Indicative Summary of Terms for Secured Term Loan Facility (Final Terms and Appendix).
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/22/barack-obama/obama-says-bush-administration-put-no-conditions-a/
Bush/Cheany were the ones that did NOT repair the Levees that year before the Hurricane came calling, there were to be new pumps installed, the levee was to be repaired but the money went for the UNFUNDED war that Bush began without and funds to pay for it as it is today. The area is still without much funding and will never come back. Homes are abandoned and now the OIL companies can take over as intended, right off the coast. Right where the pipeline Koch Brothers want built for them, the industry (ever wonder why the taxpayers are paying for a pipeline for private companies??) Recently in Florida I did see a sign saying Obama raised the price of oil every year he is in office and here I thought Bush and the banks bankrupted this country and the value of the dollar dropped everywhere and the Arabs raised oil prices along with the oil speculators who figure prices for their companies and now some guy blames Obama? People are looking to blame one guy who is is trying to get the good ol boys off their butts to get this country moving again all while being paid for and bought off to do nothing for no one but the one percent. Time to renew congress by tossing all the old boys out. Why is a 80 and a 93 year old man still elected into congress and dies in congress, don't people read before voting, 93 years old. Now the 80 year olds are fighting to stay in congress, why???? money and power......send them all home and put new members in charge who will fight for us and not some rich person who will not show his taxes. Ever wonder if Mitt does not show his taxes because he did not pay any and did get money back? what is he afraid of? now lying that Jeep is going to China to be built, is he going to buy them out and send them to china as he does most of his companies? Look at all the governor's elected 4 years ago, Michigan, is tearing apart the unions to get wages lowered like China...so the rich don't have to go there. Stop buying junk at the dollar stores and buy American.....otherwise get ready. Why does Mitt Romney have to lie so much? he does not have what it takes, he is not for anyone but the one percent and so is congress. Show any one president that could clean up the mess Bush/Cheany left in this country in a mere 3.5 years without any help from congress.....none. This country is the way it is because of Bush.
I remember when Bush gave the tax break to the rich and told us the money will be used by the wealthy to start businesses and they will hire more workers. Yeah sure did in China and then they went shopping to buy Yachts, vacations, jewels and foreign cars and airplanes.....so Mr. Bush where are the Jobs you promised. We can thank the Banks who caused many American Citizens to loose their homes, jobs also while making Billions and paying bonuses that are unheard of still. Yeah, sure lets go back to this mess..and give more the wealthy who bought the homes for a $1 and made millions more off of everyone hardships. Wake UP....
BULLSH!T. GO READ THE US CONGRESSIONAL KATRINA HEARINGS. President Clinton Chopped the US Defense Budget, Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies leaving the US Blind and Deaf to the events leading to the 9/11 2001 Attacks (US Congressional 9/11 Commission Investigations, Findings, and Recommendations, former President Clinton, "I'm a so sorry"), his Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces of the US Military, Closure of 14 US Military Installations, etc. the REAL US Economic Indicator the Interest on the National Debt, Clinton $18.9 Billion, Bush $16.6 Billion so Clinton LIED AGAIN about "Surplus". Eliminated the US Laws that made Illegal the Causes of previous Depressions, result the Global Economic Crisis.
President Clinton (42) wrecked the car and then handed the car keys to President Bush(43).
As far as your "UNFUNDED war", again basic BULL@!$%#. As the US Law for Iraq as 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom, was President Clinton's US Law, H.R. 4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, with US Congressional Appropriations.
Basic High School US Civics and US Government Classes. It is also US Congress's Responsibility to find the Money for the US Laws that they Create(d). NOT the US President.
The only "UNFUNDED war" was President Obama's Libya, to Overthrow the former US Ally calling President Gaddaffi "Dictator Killing His Own People", when in fact "His Own People" that he was killing were the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists supported by President Obama as the "Libyan Rebels" of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. that became Ansar Al Islam to protect and instate Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (Sharia) Laws as the Rule of Law for Libya.
The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group were previously killing US Military at Iraq. The Libyan Islamic Fightng Group is the current Government of Libya.
Unlike President Clinton and President Bush that had US Laws with US Congressional Appropriations to cover their arses; President Obama had neither for Libya because he Violated the US Law that Restricts and Limits the US President's War Powers, 1973 War Powers Resolution (Act), in that he did not notifify both Houses of US Congress so that they would have time to write a US Law with US Congressional Appropriations to cover his arse before as President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered the First US Military Actions against Libya. This IS an Impeachable Offense. As an admission of guilt on behalf of President Obama SOS Clintion appologized to US Congress, "I'm sorry".
starsailing,
Keep lying. PRESIDENT OBAMA'S PRESIDENT'S PROPOSAL TO US CONGRESS DEMANDING AN "ACROSS THE BOARD" BUDGET CUT OF 11% OF ALL PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR PROGRAMS, PROJECTS, AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE ENTITLEMENTS AND BENEFITS OF THE "47%"; TO PAY FOR THE $2.1 TRILLION THAT HE SPENT THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR.
add to post #1.37.
LEARN TO THINK FOR YOURSELVES. Do your own Research into the FACTS, stop using Political Party Funded Sources as "Fact Checks".
11 things wrong with Congress
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
Then there is President Obama's Buddy "Mr. Corporate America", that makes the Krotch Brothers look like two cent gangstas.
You want to play the Blame Game, then learn to do a Causative Timeline, so that you do not make yourselves seem to be uneducated, ignorant, etc. by blaming the WRONG people, Causes, etc..
REPUBLICANS ARE SO WILLING TO HELP AMERICANS.DURING DISASTERS.......NOT!
Subpoena power in BP oil spill investigation blocked by Senate Republicans
Blocking subpoena power in disaster investigative commissions is unheard of. The terrorists crisis, the financial crisis and Three Mile Island commissions all had subpoena power. However, Senate Republicans gave no explanation on Monday when they blocked the Presidential Commission on the BP oil spill from having subpoena power to conduct the investigation. "These guys are in bed with the oil industry" said MSNBC Hardball host Chris Matthews.
Sen. Byron Dorgan D-ND said, "At a hearing that I was at we had Halliburton, Transocean and BP, all of whom were involved on this rig and this drill, and you know what they were doing is pointing at each other. Well, listen, the only way you're going to get to the real truth and find out exactly what happened is to be able to subpoena all of them and say, look, you have got to produce all of your books and records so that we can inspect them and understand what happened a mile under the ocean out there."
Protecting BP does not serve the American people, and it will not bring the truth to the millions of people along the Gulf Coast who are entitled to answers. Moreover, it is an insult to the families of the eleven men who were killed the night the Deepwater Horizon exploded. It is difficult to fathom how the Republicans can justify obstructing justice in the BP oil spill, but that is exactly what they have done. The bigger question is, how can Americans let them get away with it?
The move makes little sense, apart from Matthews conclusion which suggests that Republicans have been financially motivated to protect BP from being forced to supply the facts on what caused the April 20, 2010 disaster that killed eleven people, and polluted the Gulf of Mexico with almost 5 million barrels of oil and 2 million gallons of toxic chemical dispersant.
If you live in a house that has a boat docked in the water right next to your house, and your boat can navigate from your house to the sea, then obviously the water can get to your boat. The levee's are not relevant at that point If your boat can get to the Ocean, the Ocean can get to your boat AND your house when the sea swells and the water surges. It is actually a simple process that you really cant stop. It is a choice that those living on the water and the canals, make when they choose to live there. Bad stuff IS GOING TO HAPPEN. You just don't know when. Your insurance man is hoping it happens when you are behind on your premiums. From the looks of the homes and boats in the communities in the pictures. These were not "poor" folks that were stuck living there. They ALL would have to be of some decent "means" to afford the coastal homes and front yard boat docks. They ALL knew the risks. They all hoped nothing would happen in their respective lifetimes. Well, looks like mother nature disagreed with their thought process.
People such as Tim need to be pitied.
@ Voter-in-LA: The floods were sucked up by the flood plains as you recall, when the problems started was when they started filling in those tidal plains. Salt-Water Marshes are needed everywhere around the nation. The ones they destroy (shrink as they say) are what would have limited the floods to the marshes with few fringe areas outside affected.
Well now they are going to find out if they are really ready for a real disaster. The East Coast has been very complacent the last 100 years thinking all the new technology that has come along will protect them from anything.
They are going to find out just what they should have been doing in their city infrastructural city water and power to prepare for this day.
I bet a lot of projects that should have been put in place and just shrugged off administration after administration are going to show up.
Tomorrow when this storm has passed we will be bombarded with all the screaming of you should have done this and they should have done that. Where is the money that was suppose to have put this in place and that in place.
The real nightmares have not even begun yet.
LOL...obviously coming from someone who has not lived on the east coast.
Fortunately, they have land that tends to taper downhill toward water. Their land sits above sea level. Can you imagine the potential damage if the area sat 10 feet below sea level...???
Some very important factors that will keep this from becoming a "Katrina" like disaster.
Steven - does gloom, doom and I-told-you-so make you happy? It sure sounds that way. Get a life!
Romney stands by pledge to shut down FEMA
10/28/2012 11:48pm by John Aravosis 119 Comments Print
UPDATE: A GOP strategist just confirmed Romney’s intention to shut down FEMA, and suggested that at a time like this nobody cares about FEMA anyway.
“We cannot afford to do those things”
We reported earlier this evening on a video from the Republican primary debates in which Mitt Romney responds “absolutely” when asked whether FEMA funding should either no longer be guaranteed and/or the agency disbanded and left to individual states to handle FEMA’s responsibilities.
Tonight, the Huffington Post asked the Romney campaign to comment on what appears to be the suggestion that FEMA be shut down, and the Romney campaign refused to deny the underlying allegation, and then appeared to explain why it’s better to, in essence, block-grant FEMA to the states.
That’s clearly not a denial.
So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more “moral” thing to do – Romney calls the current situation “immoral” in his video because it can lead to deficits. Romney added, when talking about FEMA and federal disaster relief: “We cannot afford to do those things.”
Remember: In Romney-land, nothing is more important than money. And the only real people, are corporations.
(Though rest assured that by tomorrow, Mitt Romney will have flip-flopped at least once, probably twice, on this as it’s difficult to formulate national policy when you don’t have your speaking schedule finalized for that day.)
"Recovery works best when decisions are at the local level" (Not the Federal Level) (International Journal of Mass Emergencies and Disasters)
Considering the size and intensity of the storm and the population density of the areas affected the death toll and damages could have been much worse and the response looks pretty efficient to me. Death toll in the Carribean was twice as high with a minute fraction of the NE populaton. The last major hurricane to make landfall in NJ was a hundred years ago. Being totally prepared for a once in a hundred year event is setting the bar pretty high, but I guess there are people who would be complaining even if if asteroids had struck the region.
John,
that is true but local level and even state level do not have the resources, and never will have them, to deal with disasters like this on their own. This is the same reckless ideology from Romney on the auto bailout. Romney thinks that the Financial industry are a bunch of fairies and unicorns that will rush in to save the day if someone comes to them for help. In truth they are devils in disguise that will kick you to the curb if there is no gain in it for them.
No one in the private sector would touch GM, even Bain said they would not help them. This is the same thing. State governments do not have the cash nor manpower to deal with devastation this wide spread without someone coordinating on the national level and sending relief units to where they are needed most. Romney is not capable of understanding this.
Keep lying. PRESIDENT OBAMA'S PRESIDENT'S PROPOSAL TO US CONGRESS DEMANDING AN "ACROSS THE BOARD" BUDGET CUT OF 11% OF ALL PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR PROGRAMS, PROJECTS, AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE ENTITLEMENTS AND BENEFITS OF THE "47%"; TO PAY FOR THE $2.1 TRILLION THAT HE SPENT THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR.
Geowil,
it was President Bush that kept GM alive with his: 2008 President Bush's GM and Chrysler Indicative Summary of Terms for Secured Term Loan Facility (Final Terms and Appendix).
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/22/barack-obama/obama-says-bush-administration-put-no-conditions-a/
David,
nowhere did I say anything about restrictions or repayment about he auto bailout in my post.
Used to but not now.
I see krispy kream is trying to turn sandy into a political point...what a fat douchebag
Really? I just saw him on the Today show praising President Obama and the quick response from the Federal Government.
I was actually impressed that he did not mention anything political, but perhaps I was premature. What did he say?
Gov Christy was asked if he would be touring the storm damaged areas with Romney and he stated he did not have time to play politics and that the people of his state were his only concern and not any election.
Sorry Rick but your hate is showing
So far, Christie has not said anything dumb or verbose about Obama. He might just be holding his breath until his mouth explodes. Give him fair time.
The man does have his bad habits and big mouth, for sure!
If going on television and praising Obama for his quick response is turning Sandy into a political point, then you are correct.
What you call bad habits and big mouth many of us see as refreshing honesty, Christy is a much better Governor than the last one and has worked with democrats to do what is best for his(my) state.
Caught Gov. Christie's remarks that were aired on the Today show and was pleased to see him focussed on the task at hand, and not in any political banter.
He is doing what he was elected to do, be a responsive governor to his state when in need. And thus far it appears that Obama is doing what he was elected to do as president, make it possible to have a rapid response in aid and support to those affected by the hurricane.
One would hope that Mr. Romney can simply stay out of the way whilst this is going on as he has no jurisdiction here. Though it would appear that "Mitt-aid" is being spun up in Wisconsin, Iowa and Ohio masquerading as some malformed relief effort...
The far reaching political implications of this storm will be fabricated soon enough. Just hope that in the meantime the focus remains 100% on those in real need of assistance.
Mitt the Twit is a loser.
The only politics that I have heard of is Christie and some Mayor were at each other. Christie told people to get out and the Mayor, supposedly, told them to stay. There is some bickering about what was truly said.
Christy ordered the evacuation of all barrier islands and the mayor of Atlantic City which is a barrier island told the people of AC that they did not have to evacuate and could stay in shelters on AC, Those shelters were flooded on the first floor level because of the tidal surge and power was lost nd they were stranded.
So by your reasoning Mitt Romney trying to raise money and relief for disaster victims is masquerading as a malformed relief effort.
@ Lost -
Great point. When the liberals can't find something real to disagree with they will make something up. Barry, a man with no character, morals or ethics (as proven by his abandonment of the ambassador and Navy Seals) is struggling to appear "presidential" while Romney shut down the requests for campaign donations in order to collect donations for the storm victims.
Which of these two men shows leadership? Romney does - as well as showing the human compassion that Barry apparently lacks.
President Obama knew Ambassador Stevens personally. Are you suggesting that he ignored his friend's request for help when Steven's life was in danger? Are you folks that blinded by your hatred for the guy?
President Obama knew Ambassador Stevens personally. Are you suggesting that he ignored his friend's request for help when Steven's life was in danger?
YES.
Rosso;
Do I dislike Barry? Yes, but the evidence is inescapable that Barry knew the ambassador and Seals were in trouble and chose to do nothing. There was live coverage from the drones as well as three requests for help - all of which were turned down.
Barry then lied about what had happened for 6 weeks, sent his UN ambasador, secretary of state and press secretary out as well to lie for him. Why? Most likely someone pointed out to him that if the American people found out what he's done that he would be held responsible.
Chuck - how do you think that compares to Bush knowing about the impending 9/11 attacks and did nothing to address it?
yes, there's proof of that too.
Why do you think Bush was ok with 3000 people being killed, and Obama was ok with some navy seals and ambassador being killed?
What reasoning would either have to just "let it happen"?
clearly, you must think there's a reason Obama 'did nothing"...as I know there was a reason Bush did nothing. I mean, he had his eye on invading Iraq when he was educated about the impending attacks...nothing like a good catastrophe to pull americans together and blindly support a war they otherwise would NEVER support.
so, given what we know about the 9/11 attacks...what was Obama's motive do you think?
I don't believe he had a "motive" other than these terrorist attacks publically refuted his claim that "Al Queda is on the run". I think he believed that with the help of the left wing media that he could hide much of what happened and why it happened.
The "evidence" that W knew about the attack on the WTC was no more than a one sentence statement in a lengthy security briefing. To be comparable to what Barry has done, Bush would have had to watch the terrorists board the planes, kill the flight crews and take the controls - in real time - as Barry did as he watched the terrorists attack the embassy - for seven hours.
Although your comparison lacks substance - even if W had intentionally allowed the murder as Barry did, it still would not relieve Barry of his complicity in the murder of the Navy Seals and ambassador.
Let me also note, that if there was any evidence that Bush sat by and allowed the attack on the WTC without doing anything he would be up on charges of treason - the leftwing media would still be screaming. Your claim has no merit - and you know it.
Chucky....apparently you need to research a little more on your subject....does the phrase "all right you covered your ass"....ring a bell? If not.....keep looking for the truth....you won't find it on fox fake news!
BULLETIN...! THIS NEWS JUST IN! Romney advisers (17 of 24 advisers from the same failed Bush/Cheney regime) just gave Romney his hurricane disaster plan.
It is a first edition of the book...."MY PET GOAT!"
Yes, a political rouse masquerading as a malformed relief effort.
Anyone versed in disaster relief would know that those items may as well be stacked on the moon. The logistics behind getting those items to where they are needed is in itself prohibitive.
If you actually want to help the victims of Sandy, send money, period. Physical items should be donated locally to help your local community when the need arrises. If you really feel the need to plop down a can of peas and a flashlight then take it to your local food bank or shelter where it will actually get used, and not simply serve as a political prop.
mjs - Romney is collecting money for relief aid. Quit trying to spin it. Had he done nothing you'd attack him for that, he provides the relief effort you suggest and you accuse him of political gain.
ss - do you have something of substance to say or is it just more drive-by insults as usual? You add nothing to the conversation. Typical libbie speak - nothing to say but still has a need for attention so substitutes blather and insults for substance.
mjs, in terms of helping, those outside of the zone can do one other thing beside money - the Red Cross says they're looking at a blood shortage, and can't get it donated locally due to infrastructure problems caused by the storm, so they're requesting those outside the zone donate blood.
100% correct! Where the Red Cross is concerned money and blood is the way to go.
The Romney/Ryan events however have "asked [attendees] to bring non-perishable foods and other items for those affected by the storm" which is in itself is useless to the Red Cross: (ref. help-faq)
By no means am I against helping those in need as so many are as a result of this storm. But if you're going to go through the trouble of organizing such events in politically charged swing states with the nation watching, at least do it properly...
mjs - Voting for your own posts looks silly.
You haven't addressed Romney's decision to pull requests for campaign donations and replace it with requests for monetary donation for storm relief. Taking a cue from MSNBC, NBC and CNN? Is it a liberal commandment - "If we don't report it - if we ignore it - it didn't happen!"?
No doubt it really bothers libbies when Romney shows compassion and leadership - qualities Barry doesn't have and cannot even fake convincingly.
Chuck, I think it's commendable he's forgoing contributions and asking for monetary donations instead. But the donations of actual items won't help, so that's an ineffective use of the resources of those who will attend his rally. He'd be better off asking for only cash, or setting up a blood donation clinic at the rally. One quality of leadership is knowing how to effectively address a crisis on a case by case basis. In this case accepting actual items is not effective. That said, I once again commend him for accepting monetary donsations (and before you say I'm a Canadian so I should mind my own business, I'm a dual citizen.)
Chuck in Olathe: respectfully, go blow it out of your ass, pal.
This thread is about the storm, not your pathological hatred of the president.
Do us a favor and take your garbage elsewhere. There are plenty of right wing hate sites for you to feel comfortable in.
President Obama displays all the compassion, leadership, morality and ethics you people have none of.
Canadian - I agree with you that monetary donations are what is needed. My post was aimed at mjs for accusing Romney of using it only for political gain - as I pointed out mjs would have been accusing Romney of being aloof if he had done nothing. Can't have it both ways.
Unfortunately - or fortunately - just before an election candidates will be roasted no matter what they do.
Jersey Devil - libbies can't stand to have their opinions countered. If I'm bothereing you by holding liberals responsible for silly opinions - good. If you don't like it you are welcome to leave. Or hit the "ignore" button - or better yet, bring something to the converstaion other than poorly executed insults.
Barry is a man with no character, conscience, morals or ethics. No doubt it bothers liberals to have this pointed out. The libbie mantra - denial and tunnel vision. "If it's not on MSNBC, NBC, ABC or CBS it didn't happen."
Barry has compassion? That's why he left Americans to die and then lied about it.
YOU WERE TOLD BEFORE TO READ THE BIPARTISAN US CONGRESSIONAL 9/11 COMMISSION INVESTIGATIONS, FINDINGS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
President Clinton GUTTED the US Intelligence Agencies leaving the US Blind and Deaf to the events leading to the 9/11 2001 Attacks.
During the years before with the Director of the CIA, Bush later President Bush (41) the CIA was built up as one of the best Intelligence Agencies in the World. President Clinton (42) Guts the US Intelligence Agencies to the point were the US does not have any intelligence assets Worldwide, and must rely on "Potentially Hostile" Foreign Nation's Intelligence Agencies Information (information, not even credible verifiable Intelligence), like from the Pakistanis Inter Service Intelligence Agency. This got US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (aka Special Warfare) killed unnecessarily since they had NO local US intelligence assets to link up with while going into Hostile Nations as Ordered directly by President Clinton as Commander In Chief. The US Allies refused to allow the US access to their Intelligence Assets for fear of their own Intelligence Assets from being compromised; as after President Clinton Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies the US Intelligence Assets at Hostile Nations to make a living and survive became those Nations Counter Intelligence Assets against the US.
Due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies the US Intelligence Agencies no longer had Afghan Intelligence Assets in Afghanistan, and the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Teams that had been shadowing Osama Bin Laden and his Al Quada Worldwide since after the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing could not get into Afghanistan after the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government locked down Afghanistan tighter than North Korea.
Usual dumb comments about stupid people living in the path of danger. Same as you see when the disaster is in the south or the mountains or a trailer park. Glad to see we treat each other equally. As for Chrissy, I think he is a douchebag, but this is the kind of time when I respect him. He is good in a disaster, he appears to care for his people and he doesn't have time for politics. Walker would probably be making hay if it hit here. Comments about real reactions is true though. Most populated area of the country and so far it doesn't look like Katrina. But where are all the Vet/military hating people that weighed in on vet unfriendly schools. Most the rescuers are vets or people with a long family history of such. And then we have the Nasty Guard running to the problem while the money marketers run the other way. God Bless guys and come home safe.
Comment # 5 deleted, racist derailing from Steve the dog man.
You are suspended for a day for violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.
I think they should cut taxes further. That should generate more money to fix the ailing infrastructure.
If the counties wish to do this I see no problem with it. People will decide whether they want to live there that badly or not.
trevor - where would you suggest they move to, that will NEVER be capable of being impacted by a natrual disaster?
Im sure they'd appreciate your wise, republican advice "just dont live there, duh".
It's kinda funny when Southern Illinois got hit with the tornado's like Missouri did they were denied aid. It must be too damn white there.
obama is right on top of the storm-- what happened to bengazi ????
To all of the jerks and first-class morons writing about how dumb people were for not evacuting: I grew up in this area. These are all inland towns around the Hackensack River and tributaries, far from the Jersey Shore. Parts of the aptly named River St. in Hackensack and some parts of the other towns have a history of flooding in severe storms, but the flooding has never been to this extent. However, this is a historical surge of water up the waterways. It is unprecedented that there would have been a full-scale breach of this levee, which does not hold back the ocean, just a normally placid river. These people would not have been under evacuation orders before the storm. And stop the cheap shots about how much money these people have or don't have. These are communities that are much less wealthy than the fatcats who sit five-to-ten miles north of them (the Wall Streeters). I just saw a guy in Moonachie interviewed who said he left to drive his family to the next town over and came back to lock up his house to find that the entire first floor was under water, in 30 minutes.
So cut the stupid, nasty Ayn Rand crap.
There might not have been a manditory evacuation order, but for three days we were warned if you are in a flood prone area, you should take appropriate action. That means get out of the way of the water that will surely flood low lying areas. Duh!
pattie - im a bleeding heart liberal, and I dont live on the east coast (michigan)...but it's been my impression that this was a STORM OF ALL STORMS and you couldnt predict how awful it was going to be, the only guarantee they could give - was that it was going to be awful.
I am not familiar with the area or it's leadership, but clearly no one there took this storm as seriously as they should have - not just the residents, but the city officials - as well as state officials.
in my opinion, better safe than sorry is the best motto to live by...and had this area said "you know what, nothing will likely happen, but JUST IN CASE - let's call for an evacuation of all area's we KNOW would be buried under water if those levies broke." then as sad as the flooding would be, at least there wouldnt be a massive rescue effort under way.
instead, everyone chose to take the "naw, were too far away, we'll be fine" approach...many of them are simply lucky that the response has been immediate, even though im sure it wont be entirely adequate.
these residents can at least be grateful it's not taking 2 days for help to arrive.
Jess, I'm just reading through the blog and noticed you have something to say about several of the bloggers but no intelligent comment on the subject. You actually "I am not familiar with the area or it's leadership" but the somehow claim to know what the residents, city & state officials we're thinking. YOu seem like a major blog troll ... hopefully you'll be put on the ignore list
Lord help us ALL. God Bless America! Life is only a breath away.
Why are we building homes in bathtubs? States selling swamp land and then telling people they can build in them is how we get in these messes.
The land values in this area are absurd because there is no more build-able land in Northern New Jersey and NY, while the area has really been hit by the population bomb that the world has been working on setting off for decades. There is very little building in the Jersey "Meadowland" because it is a swamp. Carlstad is a tiny town built in the middle of tall meadowgrass. The only reason I know it is the bus used to go through there on the way to NYC. But the land along the rivers was always considered livable. NJ and NY just don't get storms of this magnatude, except very, very recently, and these places were settled in the 1600's and 1700's. Southern Manhattan was filled in early on for building. The Mall area of Washington, D.C. also used to be a swamp. There are no miles and miles of empty desert on the east coast. Swamp fill-ins make the east livable the same way that piped-in water and air conditioning make the southwest livable.
I suspect some (not all) that did not evacuate thought the meteorologists were blowing it out of proportion and hyping the storm. You don't know how many times I hear that, or "Why is this News". I realize some problem were not able/capable of evaculating, but those that could, well this should be a good lesson.
people*
Most of California's population lives on or near a major fault line, in a fire zone or mud slide area. The entire Gulf Coast sees hurricanes annually. In the Midwest, you have tornados, river flooding and blizzards. There is no risk free place to live. You live where you have jobs and/or family. It is silly to suggest otherwise. You pay lots of taxes to have people prepare to mitigate and respond to the damage when something happens.
and the liar oboma is a trying to re-elected and he should be working. we are paying him through the end of the year. i wish we were not be we are. so oboma, get to work and quit lying about others.
its you and only you. your the one that said you would cut deficit by 50% first term, you were the one that called bush unpatriotic and UN-American for running up the deficit but yet you have spent more tax dollars than all, all presidents in the history of this great country combined.
combined. you are the un-american and unpatriatic. you are trying to ruin this country from the inside.
you should be in jail sir. you should be a shamed of yourself. you are a traitor and a liar.
Beside the fact that everything about your rant shows a person that is on the edge of being illiterate ... you didn't even spell his name right. Maybe your referring to a different Obama .. if you are - then my apology.
What about the republicans? they haven't done any work in 4 years unless you call voting no work. We shouldn't be paying anyone that doesn't actually accomplish anything, especially when they're supposed to work for the people.
troll
Will you people shut up, you all sound like a bunch of school chrildren fighting under the bleachers, People have died here you morons, Hurricane Sandy was a monster, stick to the issues please
I'm not going to be a turd and replay all the hateful nasty things that were said after Katrina to Lousiana and Mississippi folks. Just remember next time. I hope everyone make it out safe and sound and can quickly rebuild their lives. God Bless America and all our people.
Fat Mayor on a Diet-Dont't try it! I'll jack your city like a Hurricane in a Riot!
Ha Ha Ha. I laugh at these fools getting hammered. They deserve it.
The dead deserve death- natural selection is a Byiotch eh?
GO SANDY~~ WooT! THis storm was so big...they should have re-named it SHANAY_NAY or SHANIEQUA.
lol
Why are so many levee's breaking? What is wrong with our country and its maintenance work.
It's because the government is inefficient in everything it does.
Funding gets blocked or shifted, it's not important (to politicians). We need more bombs and bases around the world instead. We like to fix other countries "problems" not our own.
Because President Clinton chopped the US Defense Budget, that funds the US Army Corps of Engineers Longterm Infrastructure Projects, Programs, etc..
These Longterm Infrastructure Projects, Programs, etc. require these Contracts to be put into place and funded for Decades before and prior to, and are NOT "Instantaneous". This is so that each and every Contract can be scrutinized by US Congress, GAO, etc..
So in the case of President Obama's President's Proposal to US Congress, pertaining to the US Defense Budget Cuts, the US Army Corps of Engineers Longterm Programs and Projects will be affected by this for at least a couple of Decades AFTER President Obama.
This is why when US Congress hauled a few US Military Officers of the US Army Corps of Engineers into the US Congressional Katrina Hearings and tried to use them as Politicially Expedient Scapegoats, the US Army Corps of Engineers Military Officers* were ready, and gave testimony about the previous President Clinton US Defense Budget Cuts as agreed to by US Congress.
*Boss of one of my friends that graduated from the US Army Academy at West Point (Engineering Degree).
One of the other things that my friend told me about that I keep posting is due to the previous US Defense Budget Cuts, the US Army Corps of Engineers had to stop their other Longterm Projects, Programs, like Bridges, Dredging of US Waterways (Floods and Drougths at US), building new Water Reserviors, drilling new Water Wells, etc..
Sure do as President Clinton did before, and what President Obama in his President's Proposal to US Congress to Cut the US Defense Budget and expect a Different Result; as "Repeat the Same Mistakes and Expect a Different Result".
Little David 475776 play on your harp...hallelujah.
Ten times the effort went into impeaching Clinton than any longterm infrastructure projects.
But neither the GOP or the Dems are doing their job. They only worry about their own asses getting re-elected. And will sell their souls to keep their power. How you can think one side is better than the other in that respect is baffling. One side doesn't want the other side to have any success...because then they have work harder to keep their seats. Rat Bastards.
You are NOT supposed to know about that, HAARP.
Also don't choke to death on my "Little" and no biting to make it "Little" either.
@esskay-3157339,
RE: "But neither the GOP or the Dems are doing their job. They only worry about their own asses getting re-elected. And will sell their souls to keep their power. How you can think one side is better than the other in that respect is baffling. One side doesn't want the other side to have any success...because then they have work harder to keep their seats. Rat Bastards."
Damn esskay...........that part was pretty good. Nice even. Its a shame to waste since your first 2 lines were just BullSh!t name calling and non-factual word salad. Don't blame the Army blame the Rat Bastard politicians that WE voted into office. The Army can only do so much and the F%#ck Dummy politicians don't listen very well. Blame the fact WE allow this to go on and on and on....... Blame I don't know maybe even Honey Boo Boo. But don't blame the Military cuz it ain't their fault. Until WE the
peopledeer get the Democratic and Republicans in office to work together this is all we will get.My guess is that the levee was intentionally blown up to flood a white neighborhood. Now that may sound absolutely absurd but the claim that the national guard intentionally blew up the levee in New Orleans during Katrina just to flood the black neighborhoods was taken seriously so this seem just as logical ... (which IS absurd)
Plenty of haters out this morning. It's really easy to second guess people when you know nothing about them, their circumstances, or even if they had cause to be concerned.
I think a better lesson might be the very real need for putting more money into our infrastructure so levees don't collapse, dams don't break and roads don't wash away. We have delayed repairing our crumbling bridges, roads, and dams for way too long. Sooner or later, mother nature has a way of reminding us that she can strike hard and cruelly at those who ignore her power.
Meanwhile, I read posts blaming human beings, be they Democrat or Republican, for the fury of mother nature. From what I have seen so far, both Governor Christie and President Obama have behaved well. Neither is waving a partisan flag. Both worked hard to put emergency measures in place before the storm hit. And many lives were saved by early warnings and help with evacuation systems.
No area of the country is immune from natural disaster. What you should be agitating for is the building and rebuilding of infrastructure to minimize damage and the human resources necessary to providing rescue and assistance to those who are affected by those natural disasters. Tell your elected officials of both persuasions that we want them to give this country priority in the coming years. We want them to take care of us.
underemployed--well said! If there is one area where the government SHOULD and has a moral obligation to take care of it's people, it is during and after a natural disaster such as this one. That includes strengthening the infrastructure. And I would like to add to that--we individuals also need to do as much as we can to prepare for natural disaster. FEMA says to have enough food/water for 3 days stored up. But I believe that 2 weeks is more reasonable, for those who can afford it. The reason I say that is because, for instance, if my area is hit by an earthquake (I live in Bakersfield, CA and that is the most likely type of disaster we would encounter here), there could be no power for at least 2 weeks and that means no gas pumps working, and no water working. FEMA, Red Cross etc would have their hands full as it is, and if I can help by having more extra food and water then that means that I free up more food and water for others who experienced more devastation than I did. And if my whole house fell down and I couldn't get to my food and water, at least I did what was in my power to do, and if others prepared like I did and were able to get to their food and water, then they would be able to free up FEMA, Red Cross, etc food and water for me. Quite candidly, with the climate change that is happening (whether you believe it is anthropomorphic or not), you, I and the rest of us humans need to prepare for whatever those climate changes will bring.
Hint, Pro-action (Proactivity) Saves Lives, Reaction only prevents the further loss of lives.
Blame were Blame is due. Learn to do a Causative Timeline, instead of political sound bites.
Because President Clinton chopped the US Defense Budget, that funds the US Army Corps of Engineers Longterm Infrastructure Projects, Programs, etc..
These Longterm Infrastructure Projects, Programs, etc. require these Contracts to be put into place and funded for Decades before and prior to, and are NOT "Instantaneous". This is so that each and every Contract can be scrutinized by US Congress, GAO, etc..
So in the case of President Obama's President's Proposal to US Congress, pertaining to the US Defense Budget Cuts, the US Army Corps of Engineers Longterm Programs and Projects will be affected by this for at least a couple of Decades AFTER President Obama.
This is why when US Congress hauled a few US Military Officers of the US Army Corps of Engineers into the US Congressional Katrina Hearings and tried to use them as Politically Expedient Scapegoats, the US Army Corps of Engineers Military Officers* were ready, and gave testimony about the previous President Clinton US Defense Budget Cuts as agreed to by US Congress.
*Boss of one of my friends that graduated from the US Army Academy at West Point (Engineering Degree).
One of the other things that my friend told me about that I keep posting is due to the previous US Defense Budget Cuts, the US Army Corps of Engineers had to stop their other Longterm Projects, Programs, like Bridges, Dredging of US Waterways (Floods and Droughts at US), building new Water Reservoirs, drilling new community Water Wells, etc..
Sure do as President Clinton did before, and what President Obama in his President's Proposal to US Congress to Cut the US Defense Budget and expect a Different Result; as "Repeat the Same Mistakes and Expect a Different Result".
Lisa C-5522681,
There is more coming your way at California; the unsafe 1980s Nuclear Power Plants (same as Fukushima). In 2009 President Obama stopped the Federal Subsidizes to replace the Unsafe 104 Nuclear Power Plants at the US with current safer (less nuclear material, and less nuclear waste produced) 21st Century Nuclear Power Plants, these Federal Subsidizes then were given to Vice President Biden's Home State of Pennsylvania Fictitious "Clean Coal" (money was then/still spent on Advertising Agencies, TV ads for "Clean Coal"). This is also why since these 21st Century US Nuclear Power will not be developed US Ally Germany is shutting down their 1980s Nuclear Power Plants and will have to buy their Electricity from the French (20th Century to 21st Century Nuclear Power Plants.).
I told all of you before about what President Obama also did (including the above), including stopping the successful since 1959 Brazil Alternative Energy Solution (clean burning biomasse, biogasse, to produce electricty, and producing liquid fuel for vehicles), by removing the Federal Subsidizes and then giving the money to his Illinois Corn (ineffective Corn to Ethanol, per US Department of Energy) Lobbyists.
I also posted why US Altenative Energy is no longer viable, after President Obama's Policies resulted in the loss of the Resources Worldwide to manufacturer US Alternative Energy. Result US Solar Photovolataic Panel manufacturers, electric car battery manufacturers no longer have the basic materials to manufacturer these and other US Alternative Energy. With the Chinese and Russian Federation getting all these Resources, and then placing Restrictions on the Shipments to the US And US Allies of these Resources. The Chinese and Russian Federation will NOT allow a "Do Over" for these US Losses of Resources as their Gains Worldwide. So now the US Oil Corporations are spending Billions USDs in Advertising pushing Natural Gas, as the US already depleted most US Oil since the 1900s "Black Gold Oil Rushes".
There is nothing currently to replace Oil based Plastics required for Alternative Energy. Or even Oil based Plastic Electrical Wire Insulation.
Bottomline: After all the President Obama losses of Resources Worldwide, Learn to live like a Fourth World Somalis (No Resources).
Bunch of idiots here. And some realistic people. Thanks realistic. Idiots GTF out of here.
Holding my breath for everyone to start blaming Oblahblah for the levies breaking.....
Yeah, like that'll happen.
Well, they did blame the Bush administration for Katrina. Sucks to be President sometimes. I just hope Oboobo isn't in Vegas partying with George Clooney, Letterman and friends.
To Obamanation and brewzk23:
PRESIDENT Obama is and has been working closely with all of the states to ensure that they have the resources they need. Unlike President Bush who allowed innocent people to suffer for DAYS. So, you can joke all you want, but he has already proven to be a leader in crisis. Just ask the Governor of NJ.
Bush did not allow anyone to suffer for days, he did what he was able to do, The mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisianna did not order evacuations and did not declare a state of emergency soon enough and ask for federal help, The federal government can not just declare a state an emergency, It has to come from the state level first and they have to request it unless there is a rare occurrence where there is no state government left, The cause for the massive loss of life from Katrina rests squarely on the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisianna and no one else.
LostInThePineBarrens,
You forgot about the Buses and Bus Drivers, to evacuate those with no means to evacuate; as denied necessary by the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisianna.
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Photo of the Buses to evacuate the poor, not used by the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisianna, so they got flooded:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=buses+louisiana+katrina&view=detail&id=90B65710802025A61E27205B205D92CD0DF22B37&first=1
I feel deep compassion for the people at the shore towns who were devastated by this storm. The Governor stated that no Levee was breached but a Berm was overrun. Hope we see a quick recovery for all the people affected by this disaster and that the one's not affected reach out to help as much as possible. We can show our humanity during this recovery and show the world we are ONE PEOPLE.
As the saying goes, "What goes around comes around". For all of those up North that made fun of the people in the South when a storm hit here, now YOU get to see how it is. Oh, and I guess that since the levees did not hold, that is George Bush's fault too? Is the media going to blame Obama for not fixing the levees in advance of the storm? He has been in office for 4 years, and did not fix them. I guess since it is a majority of white people in this area, he must not like white people! I can't wait to hear the media bias about this.
Sorry, but have to agree with southerngirl. Shoes on the other foot now, and it's not pretty. It's easy to sit back and blame when it doesn't affect you; now that many of those same finger pointers are knee deep in water in their living room they might understand.
Yes...and I did not know that mobile homes were allowed north of the Mason-Dixon line. I thought that was strictly a Southern thing. That is usually the first joke posted.
First of all, Bush's RESPONSE to Katrina is what is always been under attack! He sat and allowed people of all color suffer for DAYS!! We all saw this play out on national television, so its not a secret!
LOL...Washington DC is south of the Mason Dixon line, It is a survey line and had nothing to do with the civil war
You must have been watching a different national tv than I was
True, but New Jersey is above DC.
Where did the civil war thing come from?????
Sorry, the federal government was ready to come in for days ahead BUT the pathetic Governor Blanco and disgusting Maybe Nagin were fighting for control and would not allow them to come in until they signed something stating that Blanco would be in charge. Can't hang that one on the feds; just pathetic politicians in LA.
Lord can we leave the politics out of this - just once - please? I have no doubt both candidates will do what they can to help these good folks out - be it can food drives, money, whatever.
Good luck right coasters - looks like you had a rough one for sure. Praying for you.
But David, the politics were not left out of it when Katrina hit! Why should it be left out now?
David it will never be left out. People like some of the Romnesia victims that are posting on this thread are all too happy to keep it going. It is what gets them up in the morning and allows them to sleep at night.
Otherwise, thanks for the concern. We fared pretty well all things considered. Got lights, heat, cut up the fallen tree on the side of the house. I know people that have not done so well and I am giving canned food, blankets, and cash for their care.
Oh Vote early and vote Jill Stein!!!
WTF? how is this story political? How can a natural disaster be atributed to either Romney, or Obama?
Not a clue, but then I don't know how the Giants winning the World Series could be made political either, but every other comment in that story was Obama this and Romey that. Not everything in this world is left and right.
Some people have popularized politics so much they cannot even speak without referencing big-brother. They are not confident in saying anything profound without taking power from a party.
Now that MSNBC has seen fit to take all the newsvine space away from it's faithfull follows and writers and extremely limit the space and articles with a comments opportunity all the political talk has got to show up somewhere and whenever it can. This is as good as anywhere, considering it takes taxes and politicians to spend those taxes for infrastucture and constituants comforts, and safety!
I think everyone in America knew there was a storm heading toawrds the north east. No syspathy for those who decided to stay instead of following orders
The people in these four communities were not ordered to evacuate.
There is a huge freaking storm coming and unless they live under a rock, they should should have known that staying meant bad news. Stop trying to take the responsibility off them for their decisions and actions.
Nice Staged Photo ...
There's less than a foot of water - The raft is practically dragging along the bottom.
Is there some reason why these people are being escorted somewhere? really?