With limited mass transit, more folks are forced to use cars, and that, combined with a gas shortage, is creating gas station lines extending for miles all over New York and New Jersey. NBC's Tom Costello reports.
Updated at 7:55 a.m. ET: Motorists in New York and New Jersey exchanged words – and reportedly even shoves and punches – as they faced a second day of stressful, sometimes miles-long lines Thursday at the gas stations that still had both electricity and supplies after superstorm Sandy.
Power outages kept many pumps out of service and tough travel made fuel deliveries difficult.
A police officer directed traffic at a Gulf station in Newark, N.J., as a line of vehicles stretched for about two miles. Dozens of people with empty red gas canisters also stood in the line that snaked around the station.
NBC's Kerry Sanders reports from a helicopter high above Bloomfield, N.J., where drivers are lined up for miles waiting for a chance to fill up.
Betty Bethea, 59, had been waiting almost three hours as she approached the front of the line of cars, and she brought reinforcements: Her kids were there with gas cans, and her husband was behind her in his truck.
"It is crazy out here — people scrambling everywhere, cutting in front of people. I have never seen New Jersey like this," Bethea said.
Police in New Jersey said they broke up fights at gas stations all day Wednesday, according to the Wayne Patch.
"Everyone's panicking because all their gas tanks are on 'E,'" one officer was quoted as saying.
Numerous reports of confrontation at the stations that were still open surfaced on Twitter and YouTube.

Justin Lane / EPA
A man waits in line on 10th Avenue to get gasoline for his taxi at a gas station on Thursday as New York City tries to recover from the effects of Sandy.
A fistfight broke out Wednesday between customers at the Getty station on Route 59 in Monsey, N.J., the only functioning station in the area, Chiam Tzik, the station's manager, told Newsday. On Thursday morning, traffic stretched for at least half a mile on both sides of the road.
In New York state, Yonkers Mayor Michael Spano signed an executive order rationing gas to 10 gallons per customer effective immediately.
Related: Northeast may see long gas lines for a week
New York taxi and car service companies started pulling vehicles off the road as service stations are now out of gasoline or power to run pumps.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy authorized the Metropolitan Transit Authority to waive fares Thursday and Friday as an inducement to get people to take mass transit instead of driving.
In another move to reduce congestion, New York City's Taxi and Limousine Commission announced Thursday that HOV restrictions on bridges have been lifted for liveries, “black cars” and taxis.
NBC's Kerry Sanders reports from Yonkers, N.Y,, where an aerial view of the New York City region shows a traffic nightmare as officials set up checkpoints to make sure every vehicle has at least three passengers before they are allowed into the city.
Taxi drivers are accepting normal metered fares but are also permitted to accept additional passengers during a trip, according to The Wall Street Journal. The Taxi and Limousine Commission suggests $10 per additional passenger, but it’s up to drivers and passengers to negotiate the final amount, the Journal reported.
For millions of Americans, Thursday morning marks day three of no electricity, and many will be without power for days to come. NBC's Harry Smith investigates why Sandy is the third storm in only a year to cripple the Northeast power system and whether it's simply part of a new normal.
Zipcar Inc, a car-sharing company that rents out vehicles at an hourly or daily rate, said members late in returning cars in New York because of traffic or fuel shortages would not face the usual charges.
"Any members who are willing to wait in line for fuel, we're willing to waive any late fees," said Dan Curtin, Zipcar's vice president of fleet operations in Boston. The firm is offering members in New York and New Jersey discounts until Friday.
At the heart of the fuel supply crunch is the fact that Sandy has devastated the energy industry's ability to move fuel into and around the New York City region, particularly the harbor, by any of the three means that normally supply the area: tanker imports from abroad; pipeline shipments from the U.S. Gulf Coast; or refinery production from the mid-New Jersey area.
The good news is none of these issues appears to be long-lasting. Power is gradually being restored in New Jersey, where much of the key infrastructure is located and New York Harbor barge traffic is expected to resume later Thursday. A key pipeline should resume limited deliveries on Friday. Even flooded refineries should eventually resume production.
The bad news is that the supply crunch may get worse before it gets better. Supplies at gas stations that remained open are running out, and it may be several more days before wholesale fuel supplies get where they need to go. Public Service Enterprise Group Inc, the biggest utility in New Jersey, said it may be up to 10 days to fully restore power. Oil tank trucks are driving three hours to Delaware City to get fuel, but they can only carry up to 9,000 gallons each.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this story.
More Sandy stories from NBCNews.com:
- 'Pure mayhem' as New York City tries to get back to work
- Wind, flames, Our Fathers: The inside story of Breezy Point's terrible night
- NYC-area airports up and running, albeit slowly
- New York trick-or-treaters defy Sandy to celebrate Halloween
- As National Guard comes to rescue, so do NJ residents — with power outlets
- How to avoid post-storm insurance and repair scams
- For some New Yorkers, it's back to business as usual
- New Jersey investigating reports of price gouging
- Your Sandy photos: Show us the heroes in your life
- Sandy's aftermath: How you can help
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GOOD!!! They are all rip-offs anyway!
Good to know your president is out campaigning , when America is facing a national disaster.
Yeah, who cares about that. The more important thing is that he gets reelected
The president did his job for the disaster relief effort what the hell else do republiturds want him to do rebuild every dam home. now go stick your head back up romneysass
What do you propose that the president do, release crude oil from the strategic petroleum reserve? Yeah, that'd bring prices down a few pennies for a very short time. Should he just proclaim, "Let there be electricity," so the gas pumps will work? Do you have even the faintest notion of how oil prices are established? Hint: They're not established in the Oval Office or at the desk of a do-nothing, know-nothing lickspittle federal bureaucrat. The mercantile exchanges have more in common with a Las Vegas craps table than they do a financial market.
No, Scott. We want him to get out of the way and let a real leader take charge of this nation.
All he did for two days was photo ops of him 'surveying' the damage.
Too bad there isn't one waiting. Romney would simply sell everything to China.
P.0bama is such a wuss....This is how a REAL Progressive does it......FDR made all the unemployed get on trains and gave them a shovel and 1 sandwich and 1 cup of coffee a day...now go and dig....
http://now.msn.com/great-hurricane-of-1938-may-be-overshadowed-by-hurricane-sandy
Why are people in a gas line now? I bought gas on Saturday in anticipation of this storm and still have most of my tank because I can't go anywhere. Did they not prepare? I don't have a generator - just stopped buying food that needs refrigeration. Why do these folks suddenly say they are going to starve??? Last time our power was off for 9 days - we take a hurricane forecast as VERY SERIOUS. I suspect they will do the same next time. In the meantime they are looking for someone else to blame.
John Doe-2241225, The only true challenger to the President is a man that lies through his teeth at every opportunity. A man that changes his positions more often than normal people change their underwear. A man born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has never done an honest day's work in his life. A man so stupid that he thinks jet planes should come with power windows like his limo.
If this is your idea of a "real leader", you most certainly should vote for the loser. Birds of a feather flock together.
YES JOHN DOE The president did his part of the job , Visiting the disaster areas , Cut red tape to get help in faster. . just wtf else do aholes like you expect him to do? he has a country to run and a election to win he has no time to coddle each and every one who is a whiner. is it his fault the hurricane hit NY and NJ? NO! !
is it his fault that electricity is down in those areas NO! he is not an electrician. is it his fault that theree is price gouging? NO! !
now go stick your head back up romneysass
Uh-oh!!! Is this Obama's Katrina???
Oh, wait.... Didn't he already have one with the BP "just plug the damn hole" oil rig spill?
I know!! It's hard to keep track of his leadership failures!
But what did we expect from a President whose only previous leadership was as a 6-hour-a-week law lecturer and community agitator???
Agreed Jessie, the hurricane was NOT a surprise, these people should have been more prepared. We where only going to get the small end of it but we filled the tanks of both our cars and bought non-spoilable foods as a just in case scenario. For fights to break out after only two days is a pretty pathetic example of human compassion, they are all in the same boat and should support each other instead of going for the throat.
Nature will have to kill us off before we will ever get over our addiction to oil. Don't New Yorkers realize that this is a blessing in disguise?! It's their chance to lead the way in the battle against global warming. Don't buy the gas, starve global warming, lead the way in saving the planet. Come on New Yorkers...you can do it! Obama will love you for it. Go Green!!! Forget the cars. Restructure your lives to live without fossil fuels! You will never have a better chance then now to lead the world to a better way of life. The salvation of the planet will lead back to this one event when NYer's decided, NOW, TODAY, we will be the example, we will show the world how it's done. Let the Earth have it's oil...we do not need it...we will build wind turbines, install solar panels, dam the rivers, and attach pedals to our rusting auto mobiles. YES WE CAN!!!
Can somebody please explain to me why there is a shortage when the roads have not been drivable so gas was not used in that area. Sounds like the California gouging all over again.
I want everyone that reads this blog to be fully aware that NBC has zero coverage on the Benghazi scandal. ( if you don't believe me look at the stories above on this web site. CBS and ABC are finally running stories on this very serious matter. NBC News is in bed with the Obama Administration. Chet Huntley and David Brinkley would be ashamed of your biased reporting. Shame on you NBC. I encourage all of those concerned about this to BOYCOTT ALL NBC programs until they report as reporters are supposed to.
Welcome to human nature. This is why socialism never works!
At least O'bama did a fly by. What are you all complainging about?
Dear Scott,
You are being trolled by those that willfully deny all facts, such as the ones you offer, as well as Ignoring that even past GOP FEMA "leaders" are unable to fathom how or why President Obama could react so quickly. Well, if I was able to be honest as a Republican/Anti-Obama Independent/Tea Partier, I would applaud the President for his swift and decisive action rather than evacuating drivel and lies from my hate-filled gut solely to denigrate The President Of The United States for doing a great job, as opposed to not saying @!$%#e about The Illegal Attack and Occupation of Two Countries and the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocents through indiscriminate bombing, all for WMDs that never existed nor threatened us, in order to secure the Oil Fields for China, while still making sure the Intl Oil Cartel minions still alll got their cuts of the multitrillion dollar contracts to steal the Iraqi treasure. Isn't that the reason we invaded Iraq the first time??? The fact that well over 60% of the Republican Voters still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 is very telling of the depth into which these people do their research regarding full circumspect facts.
Do Not Feed The Trolls, People.
These folks ignorance speaks for itself.
DNFTTs
Peace
If Scott-4031901 spent as much on his investigation of the current Benghazi scandal as he did on his long drawn out litany on BP, he would have found out that either the Obama Administration is incompetent OR there is a massive COVER-UP. Go check other sources Scott. Obama has a very difficult time finding anything positive to say about his performance over the agonizing last 4 years. This is what everyone should have expected from a 2 bit State legislator from one of the most corrupt cities in the US, and a Senator who was effectively a senator for only 2 years out of his 4 and who NEVER authored any bill while he was a Senator. You people elected him . Why not have me run your pension plan--you will lose most of your money.
Getting back to the story, it is a shame that so many are being so selfish and rude while dealing with this tragedy's aftermath. It is a small inority, I would imagine, that make this look so bad.
My best to all those affected by Sandy. Stay Strong, and be patient. It will get better soon.
Peace
notsolingo has drunk from the Obama KoolAid. Governors, not presidents, make most of the decisions regarding a disaster such as the latest hurricaine. Obama is just showing his face for political gain--now he is back campaigning. WE want to the Photos of Obama in the White House Situation Room during the Bengahzi bungling, as we all saw when Osama Bin laden was killed. Remember: waterboarding was necessary to obtain the info from a captured Al Queda terrorist which led to the the compound where bin laden was found.
That was known as the Great Obama Oil Spill Disaster.
This will be the Great Obama Hurricane clusterf**k.
Can't he ever get it right??
notsojingo
I know that , Thanks , I post the facts just to piss them off
And it works every time!
FR Sent
NBC News Articles regarding Benghazi:
US officials downplay Benghazi emails - World news - Mideast
Benghazi - NBC.com - News & Sports - NBC Official Site
NBC Nightly News | NewsBusters.org
Libyan witnesses recount organized Benghazi attack - World
Benghazi Attack Timeline & White House Story - Video on - Msn
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video.msnbc.msn.com/cnbc/49543868Oct 24, 2012
Video on NBCNews.com: NBC's Mike Viqueira reports on emails from intelligence officials that were released ...
And plenty more if you search at all, R Jones, but that would edumicate you too much, I'd imagine. Stick to your weak attack attemptw using the tried and true "koolaide" reference and other famous bumper sticker dodges.
For others without truth disabilities, Google "nbc coverage of benghazi"
I take objection to several Pres Obama W Bush melded Policies and Practices, such as allowing Shell to attempt exploratory Drilling in the Artic, which even THEY could not get their spill support efforts together before the mandated deadline and taking credit for Iraq withdrawal when it was Maliki kicking us out under the timeline to withdroaw left by W...
Deep assuming there, trolleo.
Scott your copy and paste skills are epic. You do realize that no one with a life worth living will read a post that long don't you?
Arterian, not everyone that disagrees with you is a troll.
@Scott - Don't you know people do not read beyond the first five lines? Really? Give the Reader's Digest version.
joe mike are you also afraid of facts as they are presented? they are facts as opposed to out right lies. I hope you and your ilk have seizures and uncontrolable fits of rage on November 6th when romney is shipped back to mormon lands.
Texas grace I read all the lines to get the truth not just the first 5 lines. I doubt the people you speak of could handle the complexities of readers digest . hell they couldn't get past the first line in a Dick and Jane book
The only people doing anything in the city should be municipal workers. Cancel the damn marathon for another day. Prepare yourselves better next time. What is it with people, 4-5 days notice sh!t was gonna hit the fan and people still died.
Jessie-1513106, that's a common sense overload there and way to sensible for alot of people to comprehend. Good preparations on your part.
Gee, Scott, your comments are so eloquent and civil, not to mention full of well researched and documented facts. I think I can speak for the rest of us in saying that we are truly impressed....wow! I simply can't understand why you are receiving no votes???????
Donovan D.,
most gas stations that have gas, are without power, so they can't pump the gas. The gas stations that are open, cant keep up with the demand, and refineries are without power. Does that explain it to some extent?
I can't believe that morons are blaming Obama because things aren't perfect after a natural disaster. Calling this Obama's Katrina? People were still stranded in the dome without food or water at this point in Katrina so we are going to compare that to waiting in line at gas pumps ? How can you compare people waiting for gas for their cars to people who couldn't even get fresh water or food. They couldn't walk out of town let alone drive. In two weeks 99% of the people effected by this storm will be back to normal. And New Orleans is still rebuilding and half their population is living somewhere else and will never go back.
I hate to interrupt everyone's political bickering, but I do want to say something about the article. These folks who cut in line need to be arrested. Even if there is no disaster, you see this kind of thing everyday. It is clearly evident that our society has been headed downhill for awhile. No one has respect for anyone else and no one is considerate to others and most are absent of any manners.
I have seen "adults" push children down and get into fights so that their precious child could be in front of the line to get candy or get on amusement park rides. I have seen parents encourage their children to "move someone out of the way" so they could get to the front of a line. Not only that, when is the last time you heard anyone say thank you for anything, or refer to someone as Sir or Ma'am? When I was a kid, failure to say these things was a big deal and we did not take the risk.
Bottom line is, why can't people be respectful of others anymore? How about some people stop acting like animals and be decent human beings. Is that too much to ask? That includes the above right/left wing political fanatics spewing hate everywhere. To everyone who took the time to read my post, Thank you.
politic is politic and Obama needed to kiss Cristie a-- and Governor Cristie need to do the same. it's in the best interest of both party to work together, because they both are working for us. Time of need we need to set aside our difference. My Opinion those people on the shore are the 1% they have the money and insurance to rebuild their home. and as far of those people cutting line for gas they should be giving a summons for their action.
I sympathise with all of you that are affected by the storm. What a mess to have clean up plus not having any electricity and now the weather has turned cold. It must be a real pain trying to get around and waiting in line for hours just to get gas. Sadly those jerks that cut in front of the line have no care for their fellow man. Hopefully karma comes calling on them. I hope thngs turn around for you and FAST. Godspeed.
As long as that criminal snake romney stays out of the white house with that fu(ked up redneck idiot republican party thats all that matters, pig republicans!
Scott, I'm not afraid of your facts, I just didn't take the time to read them. I had to, you know, go to work and live my life. Why would you wish me to have seizures? If you have a point to make, make it succinctly. Don't try to bore us into succumbing to your way of thinking so that the noise will stop.
Brian,
Sorry sunshine but Barry is going down next week. All of the "glitches" with the voting machines cant save this clown. Better start practicing how to say President Romney.
Funny the other day all the libs were blasting Romney for collecting canned food and goods for the hurricane damaged areas. Now what are the people wanting help with? Thats right, food. So Romney had the right idea.
Maybe Bloomberg could lift the 24 oz soda ban in this time of tragedy
"At the heart of the fuel supply crunch is the fact that Sandy has devastated the energy industry's ability to move fuel into and around the New York City region, particularly the harbor, by any of the three means that normally supply the area: tanker imports from abroad; pipeline shipments from the U.S. Gulf Coast; or refinery production from the mid-New Jersey area."
In line with the article I did not see any reason or reference to the skills or lack of skills by the current President as it applies to the actual problems with New Jersey and New York. I do however see it as a warning to all those living in metro areas around the country. We have a great amount of land compared to most nations and we should think about distribution of power and business centers in light of the fact that these storms are dangerous enough to prevent the normal return to business in this situation due to the years of infrastructure upon years of infrastructure that are demanded in large metro areas. If you live in these metro areas you should think seriously about taking the insurance check and leaving for a more rural location close to your job. Have a little land to grow a garden or keep some animals to produce food for your family. The time seems to be coming where you will be doing yourself and your family a favor. Time to leave is now before the economy takes another header...which it is by the way. Forget politics since they are largely responsible for the broken economy and debt. This is just a foretaste of things to come and it would be better to be prepared don't you think?
For those of you who are going through this I am praying for you and your losses.
spoiler alert...this is how brown people act in stressful circumstances..."just hit the sucka" friend of mine in the Navy pointed out that when the earthquake hit Japan their was no looting or rioting...not gonna be like that here ...
these people need to get a grip. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this mess ain't gonna get cleaned up in a day.
Listen to the libs singing a different tune today. I guess all their bitching about the speed of recovery for Katrina has been forgotten. Put that together with the unions active interference in the recovery and you get the debacle going on in NJ & NY. And the libs don't like getting the same treatment they dished out during Katrina. Well, tough sh*t Obama and you libs , this is your Katrina...suck on it, deal with it, live with it...or don't the country could use a few less libs.
Zathrose,
Spot on. They are calling the people of NY idiots for not getting out of the city but all you heard about Katrina was that it was racist that the people didnt leave the city. Funny how their one sided thinking works. Maybe we can have some celebrity stand up there and say "Barack Obama does not like white people". Wonder how that would go over.
Ah, the rats are starting to turn on each other...happens when you have too many rats confined in a small area...What else would you expect, their just normal people reacting as normal people would put into that kind of situation....survival of the fittest, meanest, biggest....it happens every single day, hour, minute, in countless other countries...Haiti has been like this for how many years?...maybe this is a wakeup call for the rest of us, be prepared for anything....they better learn to live like this for a couple months...
Scott-4031901, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor - and #4, by copyright infringing. 1.14 and 1.28 were copypasting a timeline about the Deepwater Horizon from the Guardian.
R Jones-3231019, don't make it personal. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
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Joseph-1686110, you're suspended for a week for violating #5 of the Code of Honor. Don't post racism.
No offense but having been through several hurricanes here in Florida, I can tell you that survival is ALL about preparation. I would not dream of going through a storm without a FULL tank of gas plus several containers back up both for the car and the chainsaw or generator if you are fortunate enough to have one. I will admit that like anything else, experience is the best teacher and life after each storm got better and better as I realized things I wish I had. Gas grills are a must, a coleman propane burner along with a camping coffee percolator will make you the hero of your neighborhood. It is sad that 3 days after the storm "everyone" seems to be out of gas. Should have heeded those warnings and preparation tips a little better.
Its Bush's Fault, just like Katrina
How much would any of these people pay for a solar powered car now?
Since electric cars aren't solar powered, and the electric power is out, and people still won't be able to charge them, I would think ZERO is about the right dollar amount for those over-hyped, over-priced electric pieces of crap.
Hey dog,
maybe if they had the money Obama spent on "green" jobs and energy these people would have the gasoline they need: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/06/19/solyndra-not-the-only-questionable-obama-loan-to-green-energy
Maybe if they had the fuel that Obama, Reid, Pelosi, et al wasted during the Copenhagen conference on "saving" energy: http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Pelosi_taking_20_House_members_to_Copenhagen.html
Where's the gas, Mr President?
Sould you not be asking BP and Chevron?
The gas is in the pumps, but a majority of those pumps are electric powered, and majority of the stations are still not powered. Until the cities and states can get the basic infractructure up and running there will continue to be these problems
GetInformedNow:
Did ya get that ya climate change denier, crumbling infrastructure denier, Koch brother worshiper.
When Katrina knocked out power to my local gas station (in MS) they made their own power. They hooked a tractor motor to a generator until power was restored by the electric company. You can't depend on the government to do everything for you.
Best curtail condemnation unless you're actually there or one of those there trying to help. These people need help and let's work to get them help not act like a bunch of opportunistic jerks.
AND THAT MEANS BOTH SIDES.
I donated to Red Cross, what have you done lately?
The fact of the matter is that people in the New York area need to stop complaining and fighting among themselves and start working together and developing a little patience. Heck, a man was sent to the hospital after a fight over getting his cell phone recharged. This was a major storm and it is going to take more than three days for things to get back to normal. I grew up in the path of hurricanes. We never had one pass through that we were not without power for at least two weeks. Due to the manner in which the power grid in our area was constructed, our neighbors directly behind our house would have power a couple of days after the storm while we were still taking cold showers and studying by kerosene lamps 14 days later. Those impacted by Sandy are not "special". This is not going to be fixed in a day. Grow up, get used to it, and be thankful that you are still alive.
We're all slaves on the petrochemical industrial plantation, and until we stop building our lifestyles around endless consumption, pollution, toys like leaf blowers and jet skis, Hummers, and massive television sets, we will continue to see sci-fi scenes coming true.
Yeah, where's the gas? Obama said he can do everything and that people should rely on government. What happened? Let's face it, with Katrina a dem governor and a dem mayor basically told Bush to butt out, and the dems were willing and eager to blame Bush. Now we have a dem mayor and a dem governor saying "come on down" and take care of things, and things aren't getting taken care of. Clearly, it's Obama's fault. He just doesn't care about the people of New York or the other states affected by Sandy.
Wait, where is the personal responsibility the Republicans keep talking about? Should have gotten enough gas before the storm, right? I disaster like this just brings up the fact that we are too dependent on oil for everything we do. We need alternatives fuels to be developed NOW.
Obama was in Las Vegas again campaigning. Every so many weeks he keeps coming back this way as Nevada is a swing state and he wants those electoral votes. When he hasn't been here his wife of Biden have been stopping in to try to get more votes. Today I got caught in a detour because of him being here and I was only a few minutes away from home and because of the detour congesting traffic it took me like 45 minutes to get home. I saw the motorcade drive by while I was on the other side of the interstate and it was long with all of the security detail and the police following along. Don't know how many intersections, interstate on and off ramps were being blocked by police but it was a little excessive. North Las Vegas is hurting financially and recently was almost taken over by the state because of budget problems and that is where he held his campaign speech and I can just imaging how much the City of North Las Vegas had to spend for all of the manpower that was used for police and other areas. There were a lot of pissed off drivers because of the detours and closed off streets.
To all the folks that are bashing fossil fuels----get off of your petrochemical computer and use one that is made of wood.
This is going to take time to get back to normal, they are just in the beginning stages and it will be months if not years before things are "normal" again. For those who read my posts before the storm you may recall me saying that you need enough supplies to be completely self sufficient for at least a week, now we are seeing why, you have no idea what your personal situation will be in the aftermath.
They need to clear safe paths and establish secure distribution locations for relief supplies then the relief will come in. As is now law in Florida gas stations must have a backup generator to keep the pumps running, this should be a law nationwide due to the fact that almost no area of the US is immune from disaster.
Boy, that didn't take long to collapse. Sophie: surely you understand what the comments are about, don't you? In case you haven't figured it out, I'll clue you in. Bush was blamed for the lack of response in New Orleans from Katrina. A convenient thing that libs omit is that Bush asked and the dem gov. and dem. mayor said no! There's a thing called the Constitution, which you may not have heard of, that has a doctrine called "federalism." Under that doctrine, the states take care of their own and the feds are limited in their authority. In other words, the feds aren't supposed to exert authority which is the province of the states. The State said "bud out, we'll take care of it!" They didn't so the dems blamed Bush. This is a little different that Sandy. Obama has spent 4 years telling people "you can rely on the federal government!" In fact, Obama declared "we're there for you!" So, the question isn't whether the federal government should have been there for them. The question is whether the federal government was there for them, as promised by Obama, and demanded by the libs. The obvious answer is "no," well, actually, "HELL NO!"
marlarkey! How about self-responsibility. I will vote for Obama and I have a full tank of gas and plenty to eat in canned goods. I have never gotten the message that I have to wait for a government handout. Where do you get this crap? The President has never said or promised any such thing - in fact he has been on the news telling everyone this storm was going to be bad and prepare for it. Do you have amnesia like Romney?
In my opinion its pretty foolish for the storage depots to not have a backup generator to pump the fuel into delivery trucks.
But...but...how would you get fuel into the generators tanks?
Condoms
Gravity and a Siphon hose.
Every body is a Monday morning quarter back.
Backup generators cost money that's just sitting around. Businesses don't like to have money just sitting around unless it there is a frequent and recurring problem that might necessitate the use of the backup equipment.
"Bring me an old priest and a young priest..."
I work for a retail business here in the West and you can't believe how many customers that lived in the North East wondering where there deliveries were. We had to tell them that our shipping hub in New Jersey was without power along with the phone lines being down and they can't make deliveries. Most of the customers were understanding but a few were a little upset. People don't understand that everything is so interconnected and with a major catastrophe like this it takes time to get things going.
To gas stations with no power?
Where are all those FEMA emergency generators, that Bush was expected to have in place on day one of Katrina? This Obama though, he is given a pass, as usual. Wait until Nov. 7th unless you want to vote in democratic district, there will be electricity there.
STAND DOWN, AMERICA!
NObama 2012!!!
Obamanos!! Hispanics are not forgetting the Islamic refugees from Palestine being placed ahead of them for citizenship thank to Obama.
You are exactly right. Most of the urban bound New Yorkers have only faced something like this once in Irene. One of the other stories listed under this"Superstorm" Catastrophe is titled 'New Yorkers back to business as usual'. There is no "business as usual" after a hurricane, especially on the waterfront/shore; there are too many supply and service interruptions due to flooding, washed out roads, power, downed trees, electrical towers etc. Add to that the manpower wasted on rescuing people that insisted on "riding it out", and you have chaos. This kind of uninformed arrogance is the cause of a portion of the problems.
No one needs to go out to look at the damage; if the grocery stores were out of a product in the hours before Sandy and the area is flooded, they are likely still out. Use public transportation - buses have their own fuel supply depots and burn diesel, usually, or propane.
Tips:
Whenever a hurricane is approaching, I fill my personal car with gasoline every other day. Fill it up and park the car some place safe - Atlantic tropical storms/hurricanes circulate counter-clockwise, so the wind gusts are coming in from the East, and once the eye is approaching your latitude, the wind will come from the North. Try not to park your car directly West or South of a big tree. (In the Eastern Pacific [cyclone] and the Western Pacific [typhoon] the winds also rotate counter-clockwise; below the Equator [cyclone], the storm circulates clockwise.)
In the days or week prior to landfall, consume all of the junk in your freezer (ice cream, pizza rolls, anything in a box) that you cannot prepare without electricity. Big chunks of meat can be kept frozen if you have a propane (check level) or charcoal grill. Then fill freezer with water bottles; have a cooler for any perishable items you might have (grilled meat). If the hurricane veers off, as they're wont to do, you can always pick up another half gallon of ice cream and another frozen pizza. The water won't be hurt.
I live 70 miles inland and don't generally board up my windows, as they mostly face South. I do make sure that they are closed and the drapes are pulled to minimize flying glass, should one (or more) be shattered. If you want to watch the storm, go outside.
Hey. Bloomberg, Sandy was not caused by global warming. There were 2 storms in back to back years 1954 and 1955, up in the Northeast. Nanny state, bah!
There is another thing too. The 72 hours of supplies recommended by the Red Cross should be changed to at least a week. It creates the expectation of rescue in 3 days.
This is why people need to be prepared with a 1 month minimum of basic needs supplies and be prepared to either sit tight until things settle down or evacuate to a relative or friends home that is out of the problem area.. So many people just can not exist without the comforts of modern society.. Going without electricity and gasoline or simply not being able to use their cell phone make these people crazy with panic..
Cook on a BBQ grill or open fire, dig an outside latrine or have some way to dispose of waste.. These skills are lost with the unprepared and they become a liability for those who are prepared..
Roadrunner0,
"Cook on a BBQ grill or open fire, dig an outside latrine or have some way to dispose of waste.. These skills are lost with the unprepared and they become a liability for those who are prepared.."
Just try that in a high rise condo or apartment building where so many live in a metro area...just saying.
Yes a person who can use their head for somthing other than separating their ears
I had a grilled cheese sandwich for lunch
@Steve...Good tips. I would also recommend filling a thermos with coffee just before the storm and packing a cooler with food that can be eaten during the storm if it is expected to last awhile. Once the power goes out, you will not want to open the fridge unless the storm has passed and you must start icing things in coolers. (the longer the door is closed the longer it will stay cold) The water in the hot water tank will hold for about 2 days, so stick with warm showers vs. hot to prolong the inevitable cold showers. Also, keep laundry caught up ahead of time so you have enough clothes to get though till the washer and dryer is up again. Be sure to have a car charger for your cell phone.
I had thought NYC was one of the first metropolises to convert their taxi and bus fleets to electric? Guess not. How do those batteries survive major water exposure anyway?
Cars don't either. You want to buy a gasoline powered car that has salt water in the engine or the wheels, seats?
It's called not building a sea wall and global warming making super storms, Rush.
The majority are Crown Vics. The move to a hybrid was shot down so they now buy a foreign made cab.
All those New Yorkers that support Obama should be happy. After all Obama did everything he could to destroy the oil and gas industry, block the Keystone oil pipeline, and shut down coal fired power plants. Obama and his EPA did more to reduce the amount of electrical energy available in this country than any other person in history. Obama's administration has forced the shut down of over 35 coal fired power plants and made it almost impossible to build new ones. People in the storm damaged areas of New York and New Jersey are experiencing what is going to happen nation wide if Obama gets re-elected and destroys more of our energy sources while touting solar cells and windmills, which will NEVER replace all the energy this nation uses, even if you covered the surface of the whole nation with them. Welcome to the future under Obama.
What a crock of bull@!$%#, GD. Most energy EVER has been produced in the US since Obama came into office, we are close to being a net exporter of energy, and Keystone was only delayed, as the Federally Required Impact Reports were submitted after the deadline. It matters not a bit to you that ALL of that Keystone Nasty Sand Tar Crap will be sold to China and exported, does it. Or that Coal Plants are being replaced by NG Plants, driving down the price and need for coal by using a more available and less toxic fuel. No new coal fired plant will ever be built due to this fact.
But facts are not your friend, are they george?
Just keep shoveling out the BS, because there are plenty of Troll Debunkers out ther to unfurl you lies, exagerations and obfuscations.
Ask yourself, "Am I getting paid enough to be such a lowlife, espousing rhetoric just to fan the GTOP Fire of Hate that is continually proven to be a Lie while I never said @!$%# while W was leading us down the @!$%#ter and destroying the econemy with his illegal invasions and nationbuilding?".
I bet you would do it for free. Just because it is the kinda guy you are.
;-)
Welcome to the ignore list.
you are correct notsojingo only you forgot a key point. The states asked the federal government to halt the keystone project so an impact study could take place, states that requested this? NEBRASKA, Texas and the national wildlife federation.
an impact study should have been done before hand to avoid the stoppage, btw whty are they pumping these tar sands to the guld of mexico? ummm to put it on tankers at the seaport so it could be shipped elsewhere. it was never going to helpo the good ole USA it was helping canada and the corporations involve. trying to skirt environmental questions.
Scott, Canada has Ports on the East and West Coasts if their only concern was shipping it to other countries.
And, as a point of interest, the impact studies were done.
No, tar sand can't be put into tankers in it's raw state. The oil has to be processed out of it first. That's why it was to be piped to the Gulf area; to be recovered... refined. It's destination after refining is CHINA... that's a fact. Another fact is the reason Canada can't pipe it to the west coast; a little geographical feature called the Rocky Mountains.
Get a clue amatures.
Thank you Scott and Kevin.
Also, the Native Tribes will NEVER let a Keystone Pipeline nor Refinery capable of turning this drap into Chinese import be built on their lands. Nor allow their beautiful mountain ranges to be scarred by this nasty sludge.
2012 ESE Keystone Series
Indigenous Environmental Network - Canadian Indigenous
Canada's New Pipeline Woes - NYTimes.com
Wisconsin oil spill is Canadian firm's worst since 2010 disaster
Capitalist Preservation: China To Buy Canadian Oil Company
Keystone XL decision still looms over White House
Gee, where are all the unicorn worshipers begging for ten dollar gas?
I would have thought the democratic messiah could turn water into gasoline.
No, that's a big nose Jew turning water into wine. By the way, where is the real God at this time?
I believe he's just sitting back watch the chaos. That's what he does...he does nothing...ever.
Uh, Wallace...according to the religious crowd, God created the storm. Why should he be doing anything during the aftermath?
Of the Republican challenger move the hurricane. Guess he really can't do much.
Maybe he cleansing the earth of scum. He did hit the right target but he missed the bullseye, DC.
STAND DOWN, AMERICA!!
NObama 2012!!!
Obamanos!! We remember!!
He's pep talking his kid into making a second appearance in Israel.
Or at least that's what the religio-right wingers are slow stroking to and praying for.
As f'd up as it is Romney fits the bill for ushering in the end of days. For many he's a piece of the prophetic puzzle that brings about the second coming. And by some predictions time is running out to bring all of these pieces together.
Paul- thanks for reminding me of what Romney and his supporters think about 47% of the country.
Never forget that, rufus and others!!
'Yea, verily---Let there be gas and electricity and food in abundant supply'. so saith the Mesiah. What happened?
@UMGator,
"Uh, Wallace...according to the religious crowd, God created the storm. Why should he be doing anything during the aftermath?"
That is what your insurance company wants you to believe not what Christians believe. It is the insurance contract that read "Other acts of God" in the contracts covering natural disasters. Christians believe in an evil force bent on our mutual destruction...until God showed up to save us from him and ourselves.
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UMGator- there is apreacher that says the Gays are responsible for "Sandy." What's up?
Gas is on the way. Electricity is coming up. Today, you can drive your taxi across the bridge for gas.
Glad to help. It's a part of my job as an American.
This is a good lesson to the taxi companies. When your warned two weeks a head of time. You store the gas for your taxi's. I can't do everything for you, use that brain of yours.
Um,Deb, you are aware of the government (osha,epa,etc) restrictions on the amount of gasoline (or any other hazardous material) a business can store, right? It's not like they can just store 100 5 gallon cans in the garage.
many businesses here have 500 gallon tanks for storage, some even have 10,000 gallon tanks in the ground with fuel pumps.
Where's here?
Does it matter where here is? most trucking companies have their own fuel stations so their trucks can hit the road without wasting time atthe gas station. most cab companies have fuel stations as well. its called getting ready for the day without the hassle of waiting in line for fuel. many cranberry marshes have big tanks of fuel for their equiptment even the police and fire have fuel for their vehicles, when was the last time you seen a police car/ firetruck refueling at the gas stations?
Scott,
i guess you missed the photos of all the cabs in water up to the windows? So the underground gas tanks are worthless in that case right?
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I hope this is an opportunity to improve things that could stand improvement. For example, the problem mentioned where refineries have in holding tanks fuel ready for distribution but can't distribute it because of lack of power. Shouldn't they have generators for this if for nothing than to be able to deliver fuel away from refineries to customers? Imagine if our power grid is deliberately taken out remotely as an act-of-war, terrorist act or some other failure and we couldn't get around short-term just because we couldn't distribute fuel that is all ready-to-go. There are larger tactical issues, I am aware, I'm just saying what a nightmare!
Wonder how many folks sitting in these lines were railing against Bush years ago for not helping during Katrina. This was only a CAT1 storm not a CAT4/5 like KATRINA. Seems to me that NY should have been ready for this type of emergency. It is pretty tough to get modern problems fixed in just a few days, power, gas, etc.. take some time to get flowing again. When the whole INFRASTRUCTURE was destroyed (including the roads themselves) during Katrina it made helping anyone pretty hard. Just for thought...
Yup and the media sings the praise. This storm is Bushes fault, well somebody had to say it.
Its not Obamas fault either. It is the fault of the smoke stack lovers , coal lovers and oil boys.
Yep, those "New Yockers" sure seem really thin-skinned. Sandy was even DOWN-graded to a "Tropical Storm" before it came ashore. And all these "New Yockers" standing in line for gas, on a paved and DRY road are B&M-ing? What a joke. All I hear is what sounds like a flat tire on a speeding truck... "but, but, but, but,but, but,..."
Just suck it up and remember Katrina and Rita, back to back.
mikexxxxx - this was the largest atlantic storm on record at 900 miles wide and will cost more money than Katrina, stop downplaying the impact of this storm on a metropolitan area with 30+ million people.
Hey mikexxxxx.
I maybe wrong in this, but I think.
A) New York is more heavily populated and concentrated that New Orleans.
B) Sandy was a HUGE storm, and was moving slowly across that area.
C) Any area near the Gulf Coast is more prepared for Hurricanes, than say Maine or Alaska. Dump 2 feet of snow on the Gulf Coast and all hell would break loose.
"900 miles wide..." When it landed, it was a big, fairly unorganized Tropical Storm with a 13 foot tidal surge and no eye. The bands that stretched out to 450 miles from the disorganized center occured because the water wasn't warm enough; there wasn't enough convection in the eye (ergo, no real eye) to draw in the outlying bands of moisture and give it a defined circulation. If this had happened during the summer, you might have had a Cat 2 or 3 storm with more rain and it would have been much worse.
Here's a slide show of what 40 inches of rain in a couple of days (Tropical Storm Allison) did to Houston in 2001. We knew it was coming - didn't matter. Storm surge kept pushing the bay water up the bayou entrances and they couldn't drain the flood water. Only 45 MPH winds, but things did not get "right back to normal". The first picture was taken 3 days after the storm. You might remember national news with 18 wheelers completely under water.
It cost 5.5 Billion.
It was a Cat 2 that hit New Orleans and the hurricane didn't flood New Orleans, the broken levee did. Democrats needs to stop getting all their info from the DNC Newsletter. And I love the comment "what is Obama suppose to do, create electricity?" Did you have the same comment for Bush and Katrina. The hippocrisy of the left never ceases to amaze me. Let him campaign. Its the only thing he knows how to do anyway. Cuomo and Christie have GOT THIS
Sorry John, but it has to hyrt being so under informed.
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Amen!
The broken levees allowed most of the flooding and rain topped it off. Rain from Katrina alone wouldn't have caused that much damage.
Well on pubic radio this morning it was reported that electric crews from Alabama and Georgia were turn around because they were not union workers. Don't forget who is the biggest supporters of the now sitting President.
Keith, I read that this morning. I could not believe it. Let them in and get the freaking power up and running.
Stop listening to half baked lies and innuendo.
Alabama Utility Workers and Sandy Recovery in New Jersey
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Decatur Utilities even declared they were not turned away whatsoever. http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wsfa/linkedwebdocs/Press%20Release%20Hurricane%20Sandy.pdf
Either be more honest or become more educated. This kind of lying has to cease.
So they can only get gas and fuel from the refineries in the area, no one ever heard of trucks. Out of state trucks, getting generators for the stations, do we not have the ability to think and get it done. It might cost a little more or a lot more but first basic needs then fix other issues. It seems there is a business opportunity here for ambitious people, of course we would not want to push the government out for capitalism. People can do anything if given the chance it is friggin New York man.
Hope your willing to drive the truck.... Lets see, hundreds if not thousand of people needing gas, tanker truck sitting for hours in line... I wonder what will happen.....
If you read the article it says they have trucks going to delaware city and back 9000 gallons a load. Problem is gastations do not have the power to pump gas, thou in my opion you dont need a huge generator backup to run that/
The trucks are rolling from Atlanta and other fuel hubs. Naturally those hauling it and reselling it are getting a nice profit. I knew Obama could make more good jobs.
Buy the time they get industrial generators and wire them to the pumps, the electric will be coming back. These people can't function for a day without electric. Thank god they don't live out in the country.
It only takes a $500 generator available at Lowe's, Home Depot, or Cabela's to run gas pumps, but Bloomberg and Obama probably have 1,000 regulations about using them. In my state it is done during severe winter storms nearly every year. They don't have to wire the generators directly to the pumps either. Just throw off the main power breaker for safety, turn off all breakers for unnecessary things, and then connect the generator output to a 240 outlet on the same service as the pumps and you are ready to go. Obama and Bloomberg are both against coal and oil fired power plants. Keep voting for them and the whole country will be in the same shape your area is right now. Obama's EPA has been forcing coal fired power plants to shut down as fast as they can. Do you really think you will have enough energy using solar cells and windmills? If you cover the entire surface of the USA with them it wouldn't provide the energy we need in this country and it would be one ugly country. Both of these guys are idiots.
Do you think they wave a magic wand and the truck is here and the electrical pumps operate? The event just occurred on Monday and Tuesday. It was surveyed Wednesday. It is now Thursday. As I recall, Katrina did not have this forward motion and had a much higher death toll. Those people were not provided transportation and shelter in actual safe environments as the people in Jersey. We are doing without, but when you really think about it, a death toll of 50-60 people for an area this populated is somewhat bittersweet. NJ rehearsed for this event and their people knew what to do. As I went to work this morning, I drove next to two FEMA convoys, a convoy of electrical workers in their trucks, tree workers and cleaning crews. Sounds to me like we are achieving something, however, the situation is so great nothing will be close to perfect. People do suffer in these circumstances.
We will get through this, but some of you need to grow up and stop the political nonsense. It is not the time nor is it relevant. Everyone is doing their best.
Now just imagine throwing zombies into the mix . . . . .
One can only hope!
What happen New York? Did the Mayor shrink the gas tank like he did with the soft drinks? LOL BTW the Mayor looks well rested in NYC. Barking like a dog with out rolling up his sleeves i see...
I had no problem getting gas today on Long Island. While everybody was waiting in line for gasoline, I pulled the Yukon right up to the E85 pump. No waiting. I'm glad most manufacturers don't have flex fuel engines.
Yeah, there is nothing like the A--Holes, a.k.a. 11secJeepSRT8, who have to gloat while others are in trouble.
Jealous? Whats wrong your Japanese turd can't run on Ethanol? Hows your 40 mile per gallon Jap crap doing with no gas in the tank?
For goodness sakes, why would I be jealous of a jerk who finds happiness from the suffering of others? You are the kind of person who would eat a feast in front of starving children.
BTW, my gas tank is full. I don't live in the New York area and do not have the problems that they are currently suffering. Disappointed that I'm not impressed by or envious of your Yukon?
11sec......that is about your mental capacity. Give it a break, people are suffering and you are looking for a pat on the back.
Hey Jeep. Glad to see you're doing well. The clots have filled my bleeding heart too. Not like we didn't know this was coming for 10 days or anything. Here in MD, that's all we heard about for 10 days. All tanks full here, generator full, Jeeps full, ATV full, mower full, gas grill double tanked, firewood full and dry. It's not over yet. My guess is they'll be shooting each other before long. Glad those with full tanks won't be out there getting shot at
Hey Jeep. Glad to see you're doing well. The clots have filled my bleeding
heart too. Not like we didn't know this was coming for 10 days or anything. Here
in MD, that's all we heard about for 10 days. All tanks full here, generator
full, Jeeps full, ATV full, mower full, gas grill double tanked, firewood full
and dry. It's not over yet. My guess is they'll be shooting each other before
long. Glad those with full tanks won't be out there getting shot at
Hey Jeep. Glad to see you're doing well. The clots have filled my bleeding
heart too. Not like we didn't know this was coming for 10 days or anything. Here
in MD, that's all we heard about for 10 days. All tanks full here, generator
full, Jeeps full, ATV full, mower full, gas grill double tanked, firewood full
and dry. It's not over yet. My guess is they'll be shooting each other before
long. Glad those with full tanks won't be out there getting shot at
Look I'm 40 miles north of the Bronx in Orange County, we have Wal Marts and plenty of gas cans and no lines at the stations, come fill your cars, fill about 60 gallons of gas cans and stop dealing with that madness. I have no idea why people deal with that aggravation instead of hitting the road a little bit.
And if you kept your car on empty before the hurricane, well shame on you, you're just lazy and stupid.
Mike- can you or anyone in Orange County confirm this reported bounty of gasoline?
Probably the last thing I would want to do is waste the little gas remaining to drive there and learn that it has all run dry.
And I'm 70 miles south of the Bronx in Ocean County, NJ. Some roads are impassable due to sand, downed trees, etc. Some places still have no electricity. Traffic is so bad that if there was a tanker truck it would take 3X as long to get anywhere
Well I filled my tank, pulled right up was me and one other guy filling up with 18 open pumps, I don't know if it's a "bounty" just your typical gas stations filled with gas... We really weren't impacted at all, some downed trees and loss of power but nothing worse than what we get several times a year with snow. And we're a nice scenic ride north from the city. That's the route I would go instead of dealing with that nonsense...
Actually, if you go south on the NJ Turnpike and then turn around to go North, it is easier to get gas. There is a rest stop between exit 4 & 5 that was rather quick. I was there for 10 minutes this morning. Also, if you go off the turnpike around exit 5, there are stations in Burlington. It is there, but you have to drive.
Even in hard times New Yorker's still can't exercise patience or consideration for others. I saw a video of people pushing each other over to get on the bus. This might go faster if they queued up and got on the bus allowing it to fill up and then wait for the next bus. Now two days after the storm they're in a stew about gas. Looking at the damage if you're lucky enough to still have your car and can drive down a road without debris then waiting for gas is the least of your problems.
NYC, the people, the smell, the atmosphere are all horrible especially the people, and I can't reiterate enough how horrible the people are. I lived in Brooklyn for many years and couldn't wait to get away. I live in an exurb of Orange County now, the people are considerate and friendly, no traffic, my stress levels and so far from where they were. I weathered this storm in my house, with a generator, beer, food, and gas on hand.
Mike, every time you post you simply reveal yourself as a bigger and bigger douchebag.
Hit a nerve huh tackandcover? It's always obvious when you explain someone to a tee because they get super offended. The truth hurts, deal with it...
I really hate to see stuff like this happening to people in our own country, but I don't like hearing that the people affected are getting impatient and angry about their situation. They chose to live there. Nobody made them stay through the hurricane. If people don't want to have to deal with this sort of disaster, they should understand it is their choice as to where to live and work and nobody owes them a living if they encounter a disaster. It's like that everywhere, but it seems we hear way too much about the Northeast US when something happens to them. I guess it's just because there are more of them there.
Bloomberg, Obama where is the help?
Where is FEMA?
Why aren't you helping these people
This is just another failure in a long line of the administration of
Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Hussein Obama.
Hey Barry how was Vegas?
Where was the right-wing fundamentalist God who, according to Pat Robertson, diverts hurricanes upon Pat's request?
He sent it to Blue States, duh !!!
The STATE is responsible for the immediate response. At least learn what the responsibilities of the agency is before showing what a idiot you seem to be.
As far as response, maybe Bush can come back and try to get it right this time. Unlike Katrina, people aren't dying in the streets from lack of water.
Actually I'm watching TV right now and Rachel Maddow is interviewing Gov. Cuomo. He said he talked to the President several times today and that FEMA is doing a great job.
So just get off it. Everything that can be done is being done. There was so much damage and it will take some time. Exactly what do you people think can be done and how fast? Give me a break. I know you absolutely HATE the President but use some sense at least (that is if you have any, which I'm beginning to doubt).
Run by republicans
dateless nerd,
This just in...Pat Robertson is not God's spokesman...just saying if you are interested in the truth open a Bible for yourself.
"Where was the right-wing fundamentalist God who, according to Pat Robertson, diverts hurricanes upon Pat's request?"
It is the insurance companies that added the myth that "other acts of God" are the response to events not covered by their policies. Christians believe God came to save us from an evil force bent on our mutual destruction...the devil is responsible for sin and a destructive world not God.
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As terrible,terrible as this storm was and the destruction it left behind, I remember how calm,civil and collective the folks were in Japan when the tsunami completely wiped out communities.People there were returning belongings to their rightful owners,being considerate of others,no pushing,fighting~showing patience and calmness.Will we see this in New York and other places along the East coast? The world is watching.
They only allow one thumb up per posting, I woud've given you 100 if the system allowed me too. This kind of behavior only makes it unecessarily worse.
Well said Robin, well said!!!! Not that my experience is anything at all like NY, however I live out in WA State and lost power for 8 days in the dead of winter (had abnormal snow fall) and everyone help each other with food, water, heat, shared dinners, gas for generators etc. That shows the true human nature in a in a helpless situation.
I've lived through something like this before (1970s) - As long as nobody starts shooting, you'll find people just being people!
Rah13... "Don't overestimate the decency of the human race." H.L. Menken
Antiquated infrastructure system, dependent on 19th - 20th century technology. Wouldn't it be cool if the 1% er's actually invested in America?
New Yorkers. You are pathetic.
Get a backbone. You are now the city that never stops whining.
The rest of the country deals with these things much better than you do.
You look like a bunch of fools.
This is what you get for charging 400.00 a night for a hotel room.
Hey, if there is so much unemployment>>>where are you all trying to go?
lol yeah i still hear the whining from Floridians from storms 10 years ago and Katrina, oh god Katrina, the whining will never stop. people actually just slept in their own crap in a sports stadium because they were too incapable of doing anything for themselves. don't give me that...
I voted for Mitt Romney today.
You don't need to do anything special to vote early, just show up and vote.
On the military budget, I'd like to see the SEABEES get the bulk of the money and have mandatory draft into the construction Force.
We canceled each other, I voted for President Obama.
No place else in the country has ever seen a storm 1500 miles long that has affected 19 states, over 50 million people and may well cost losses up to $50 billion. Give it a rest you bozos.
What kind of human being are you? Get a backbone? Let's see how well you do with a 13 foot storm surge knocking out the infrastructure in the most populated area in the country. People died and lost everything and you want to be a tough guy and say "man up"? You are the one with no backbone.
When an evacuation order is given that means @!$%#WILL HIT THE FAN. it does not mean HUNKER DOWN and beg for help.
If you did not evacuate you have no one to blame but yourselves. homes cars and such are material and can be replaced you life and well being depends upon you doing what is needed instead of whimning about it afterwards.
I feel sorry for the loss of life for those who lost loved ones, but not those who ignored the evacuation order and ended up dead.
Scott... What was that scout motto again? Oh, yeah... "Be Prepared!'
Clue from Florida. Fill up those gas cans and your car (AND your bathtub) BEFORE the storm... Duh
I have no sympathy for ignorance.
And I have none for rednecks from Florida
tackandcover - with each post you reveal yourself a fool who didn't plan accordingly at all for himself or his family. so now you troll nbcnews to gripe at people. get off the internet and help those around you if you're involved in this and stop being so damn bitter and cynical.
Face it, People Don't Listen! How many emergencies and disasters does it take for people to learn... YOU WILL BE ON YOUR OWN FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST 72 HOUR’S. Everyone was warned about the seriousness of Sandy for days and days ahead of the arrival. Individuals must take responsibility for their own safety... when the officials say evacuate...Evacuate! If you make the decision to shelter and ignore official warnings, you’re on your own. Instead of helping, your actions hurt everyone.
It is imperative that we train neighborhood CERT teams, take First Aid classes, and pack 72 hour emergency kits to care for ourselves. We have become a “Welfare State”, expecting everything handed to us. While Obummer’s failed policies didn’t cause or even contribute to the current disaster… we are headed towards a disaster even large than Sandy. Obummer’s socialist agenda will make us even MORE dependent on government. We need a change, vote next week for change.
If this had happened in Japan, nobody would be getting in a fight over a dumb gallon or two of gas.... Oh how I am grateful I live out in the west in a small town out in the sticks. There are few enough of us here that if anything did happen, we could take care of each other instead of waiting for the world to notice and fix our problems for us. Not only that, people are nice here, not like in New York.
Your behavior is your choice, not your circumstance.
Just stay where you are country boy and continue to leech off of us in the blue states who support your lifestyle
Funny how most blue states are broke, trying to support union lifestyle.
jpeg,
Again you don't know what you are talking about. The vast majority of Federal and State assistance, such as Welfare, Food Stamps, etc. is spent in Red States... There are only two blue states in the top ten list of states getting such assistance, Hawaii and Maine... the rest are red states.
Of the 15 poorest states in the Union by income, are all but one (NM) are red. The are in order; MS, WV, AR, KY, AL, TN, LA, NM, SC, OK, ID, NC, MT, FL, MO.
Come out of your fact free FauxNews bubble.
Service stations should be required to install generators for continuing service as part of their license to do business. They should then be allowed tax CREDITS for equipment installed.
Jose, what are you going to do to overcome the lack of gasoline and electricity caused by Obama and his EPA's war on the oil and gas industry and the coal fired power plants. Bloomberg and Obama are both against the oil and coal industries. If you covered the entire USA with solar cells and windmills there wouldn't be enough power. We already have too many regulations now. Why do you think we have so few refineries? If a business sees a profit in having a generator they will install one. Are you willing to pay 20 cents more per gallon to cover the owner's cost for the generator? If no, then your idea is dictatorial.
You are so Ignorant and missing the real cause. In Houston we are taught to fill up tanks before hand and have some in reserve. Please understand, the people didn't know this with the incoming storm. Obama has produced more oil in the Untied States than Bush. Open The Front Door, and see what is happening.
george you are so full of schitt buddy . unless you actually know solar,wind, hydro power you don't know crap. I install and I sell solar /wind/ hydro power. did you know that there is a town in canada build soley on alternative energy? and it produces so much power they have power to spare and sell to the electric companies?
you can set your own home up with more power than you need without making your home look gawdy and sell it back to the electric company? so I do not know where the hell you morons get your information.
I guy I know who built his house using alternative energy gets a check for $140 a month from the electric company.
you could easily install solar panels or a small wind generator on a roof of a gas station to supply electricity to the pumps when the grid goes down.
Bryan1, obama hasn't produced any oil. Private industry on private land has produced the majority.
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You don't know what you are talking about. A large percentage of domestic oil is produced from FEDERAL LAND. In fact the oil companies had been sitting on huge tracks of leased oil production areas and NOT developing any product. So Obama revolked the leases and made them agree to start production if they wanted the lease back.
Scary how dependent we are on electricity and gasoline.
Solar's the route!
Cell phones over rule the gas..electricty is second to cell phones (they need charging).
Without cell phones most people are helpless.
A cell phone won't do you much good if the towers don't have power.