
AP Photo/DuPage County Sheriff's Department
Elzbieta Plackowska in a booking photo provided by the DuPage County Sheriff's Department in Wheaton, Ill.
A Naperville, Ill., woman who allegedly stabbed her son 100 times and a girl 50 times told police there were "devils" inside the children that she needed to kill, according to a prosecutor.
At 40-year-old Elzbieta Plackowska's bond hearing Thursday morning, DuPage County State Attorney Robert Berlin explained Plackowska's alleged comments. "She stated the children had evil inside of them and she was trying to drive the devil out of them," Berlin said, according to NBCChicago.com.
Police say that on Tuesday Plackowska fatally stabbed her 7-year-old son Justin 100 times and 5-year-old Olivia Dworakowski 50 times, according to the Chicago Tribune. At the time, Plackowska was babysitting her son and the girl at Olivia’s home in Naperville, about 30 miles west of Chicago, the newspaper reported. She allegedly told the kids to kneel and pray before stabbing them, NBCChicago.com reported, and also told her son that he was going to heaven.
Prosecutors say both the kids' throats were slashed, the Tribune reported.
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After the murders, Plackowska tried to go to a Naperville church but found it closed, so she left a message on its answering machine saying she had done something bad and needed assistance, Berlin said, according to The Associated Press. Covered in blood and with scratches on her hands, she went to a friend's home where her other, adult son was staying and told them that she had been robbed, Berlin said.
Prosecutors say Plackowska initially told police a stalker broke into the townhouse and committed the crimes, the Tribune reported.
Plackowska later told police that she stabbed her son to death to hurt her husband who "didn't appreciate her," according to NBCChicago.com. She said she killed the girl and two dogs because they witnessed the crime, NBCChicago.com reported.
Berlin said investigators found two blood-stained knives; one in the kitchen sink at the townhome and another in Plackowska's car, according to the AP.
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"In all my years in law enforcement, this is the most gruesome and horrific crime scene that I have seen," Naperville police Chief Bob Marshall said at the news conference, according to the AP.
Plackowska is being held without bond on two counts of first degree murder, NBCChicago.com reported. Berlin said Plackowska has no prior history of violence, the AP reported.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
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There are no words...ugh
Maybe not words but there is one word, religion.
Doug, please give that stuff a rest. This was not religion and comments such as yours are recognized as what they are, hate and ignorance. The only words that need to be said are "Stab her 150 times". And if anyone thinks my "stab her" comment is hypocrisy, I don't care. Stabbing her 150 times would be justice for those precious children.
Yup, a few hundred years ago, her behavior would be completely justifiable by the church. Fun little fact, did you know the church still has official regulations on exorcism? I mean, it's only the 21st century.
@myspellcheckerisbroken
Maybe pick up a history book once in a while ... do you know how many people have been executed due to "possession"?
Yes, this has everything to do with religion. This woman was obviously very sick (but that's COMPLETELY BESIDES THE POINT). All I need to do is pick up one of your Bibles and I can read all about demons. Ohh, but we'll just gloss over what is actually in the texts.
When will we be honest about this stuff?
Religion had nothing to do with it, if you read the entire story and had any comprehension of what you read.
She first blamed it on devils inside them, then told her older son someone broke into the house and did it, then admitted she did it to punish her husband who didn't appreciate her.
Religion has a lot of sins to answer for, but this crime is not one of them.
Can we just use logic here for a minute?
Nobody is saying this woman stabbed her children because she's a Christian.
I was raised by a Christian mother, lover her to death ... a wonderful woman!
However, religion had everything to do with this case. Do you want me to quote passage and page speaking about demons, angels, and human-form interactions?
It's the same argument I always get from Muslims: "Don't judge my religion based on what a few extremists do!"
I don't need to ... I can simply read the books for that.
"Beliefs" have consequences ... and not just for the believer. Walking around thinking people's personal beliefs don't impact the personal experience with which they interact with reality, is complete lunacy. It just so happens that we've put religion on this untouchable pedestal that no one wants to critique or examine. Those times are over.
No Chad you still missed the point. It is NOT about religion at ALL. That was just ONE of her excuses. She threw out a bunch of excuses. Just because the word "religion" was one of them does NOT make it the reason she did this. This really sounds a lot more like a woman who lost what few marbles she had and was at the end of her very short rope over her husband.
Quote what you want but she did this because she snapped. It has nothing to do with religion. Want another hint? Did it mention the DOGS were possessed? No, I imagine (strictly a guess on this part) the dogs tried to protect the kids and she just started stabbing at them too.
How did I know the rabid atheists would be all over this one?
Ignorance is sooooooo predictable....
@Randoo
Yup, sounds like religion was a complete afterthought
Nothing to do with religion at all.. this woman is fishing to plea insanity. The "devils" were just one of many reasons she gave. When one didn't work, she switched....
Rest in peace Little Ones...
Thank you, Randoo.
I am not a religious person and am not defending it by saying it is untouchable as a reason people commit stupid acts.
Just saying it wasn't the reason for this woman's crime, just one of her "go to" excuses before she got to the real one... anger at her husband's neglect.
She allegedly...key words.
She also told someone she was robbed. The instant she said that, it removes religion as a reason and puts it on the list of excuses.
Scratches on her hand? Dog protecting the kids.
Yes, "allegedly" is a proper term as she has not been convicted of anything yet.
But, where do you think the cops got this information from, the dogs?
This is what she obviously said.
Chad,
After considering these details I will have to respectfully disagree with the argument about religion having everything to do with this woman's actions. If, in her mind, she took such actions on her children (God love 'em) in order to perform exorcisms of sorts, then why would she feel the need to mask something supposedly religion-based by telling someone she was robbed, or even worse, telling someone else she was actually seeking revenge (something that is supposed to be the Lord's) against her husband.
Aside from the deviance in itself, those other reasons are far from altruistic, let alone any that I if I were the judge in this case would let fly in any sort of motion for a not guilty verdict by reason of insanity. Coming up with all of those different lies is not something someone with no sense of right and wrong would even have the capacity to do.
Cases like this require an expedited death sentence.
If it is present and clear that you've intentionally taken the life of another clearly sentient human then you do not need to be among the living any longer. Particularly if they are children, or otherwise incapable of defending themselves. Abortion is not included in this statement. No rehabilitation, no decreased mental capacity plea, no excuse for having an "off" day.
She will get Life and a Day in prison. Hopefully with the kids pictures papering her cell, and a yearly reminder of what she did on what would have been their birthdays from a relative.
This woman stabbed these kids because she is just plain nuts, which is the operative term for psychotic. It's no more complex than that, and there's no rationalizing the act. There are people, occasionally proximate to each of you, for whom two plus two simply does not equal 4. It's not a rational difference. Maybe in the Middle East where craziness seems to be institutionalized she'd be normal, but here she's just plain nuts.
Ok Chad...last time here:
IFFF this was a religious act, she would have only taken the life of the "possessed" person. Why then did she kill the little girl? The word WITNESS is used in the same sentence as crime NOT religious acts. Here is the quote that might help you in case you read over it:
" She said she killed the girl and two dogs because they witnessed the crime"
(emphasis mine)
She didn't say "witness the religious exorcism" did she?
I think we can put the religion angle to rest now can't we?
All arguments aside, I wonder: why did they only briefly mention the killing of the two dogs one time?! When you add the dogs to the mix, the scope of this crime majorly grows. Who kills dogs because they were WITNESSES?! Yeah, they're going to head down to the local PD and tell everyone... This woman seriously snapped and completely lost her mind. Those poor, poor little children, I can't imagine the horror of their last moments. :( Please excuse me while I go throw up...
So where are the prolife people to help with a crazy bitch like this? Seriously, not to get off topic, but where is the answer from the prolife folks who don't give a damn once the child is born? Just curious.
TeaParty = American Taliban banned, rereg of multiple accounter Teaparty Low IQ.
The 40-something and under generations are screwed up and very selfish.
Yeah its zealotry, not religion. Anyone who believes children can commit offenses that result in being possessed by devils is a zealot.
To all you defenders of the faith; You really have to ask yourselves did she get the "devil was inside them" idea through spiritual training or did she pick it up in economics class in high school..... Lets be realistic people.
Anybody that say's religion does not cause tremendous problems for civilization is lying to themselves........... Just look at this horrible murder of two Innocent children and lets not forget 9/11?
This is why our founding fathers gave us separation of mysticism and state. They knew the background insanity that festers in all religions and did not want it to screw up a good thing........
Unfortunately today we see Republican politicians pushing the same religious insanity down every bodies throat for their own selfish gain. Even more frightening is the 25% of Americans willing to throw our country into the black pit of religion because they think it's "Gods will".
Yeah spiritual training. Demonic spiritual training. You show me a zealot like Warren Jeffs, David Koresh, and Jim Jones and I'll show you someone who has violated the faith to the point they deprive themselves of the Holy Spirit and it resulted in demonic mind control.
All three of the men above were involved inappropriate relationships with minors.
I'd take a guess and say she was an adulteress homewrecker or whoring without changing her life.
Children can be obstinate, self-willed, even bullying, but that may simply be the nature of their spirits, not demonic possession. And to a certain extent domineering children are good. They can stand up for themselves against their peers, but need to be taught to respect authority where their domineering attempts are not appropriate.
Did Moses, Joshua etc "violate the faith?" You can read the book to see what those two did. They were commanded by god to commit acts of murder that Warren Jeffs, David Koresh, and even Jim Jones would never dream of.
Did god violate his own faith when he had his angels supposedly kill the innocent firstborn babies of every family in Egypt?
Sometimes I wonder if you guys actually read the books.
That's the right on man. You said it all.
Divine sanction. Don't kill anyone without authority. Just because you think you have the authority doesn't give you that right. You had better be real sure you have it, and I think that's where they probably had divine inspiration that confirmed the divine sanction to kill by more than one person.
Maybe by Moses high ranking priest I'm assuming that an act of war would be confirmed against the heather murdering whoring hordes around them that would constantly threaten them.
But I don't think you need divine sanction for self-defense and I think in the Old Testament a lot of those slaughters by Israel were exactly that.
@RealWorldProgressive
This was exactly the type of point I was trying to make, but no one wants to hear it. People live in their little bubbles with their blinders on ... pull the mask off, they become quite frightened with reality.
myspellcheckerisbroken...religion and the needy lost who believe that crap have killed thousands in the name of whatever stupid god they invented. History is rampant with idiots and the religions they started and the wars and death they caused. This was religion based exorcism and she feels she is right and they were wrong.....period. Sick sick sick...
I don't care WHO made her do it, who she lied about and said did it or the fact that she decided to tell the truth at the end...FRY HER!!!!!!!!
You kill a child, you die. RIGHT NOW !!!!!
When mentally ill people say the government is watching them, we dont blame the government. When they say that aliens are coming down to take them away, we dont say Orson Wells put that in their head. We call it mental illness! Stop trying to blame religion for what this woman did. Those of you who dont believe in God, that's fine, but quit trying to justify to the rest of us the reasons for your lack of belief by noting religion in tragic situations like this. At the end of the day everybody has to account for themselves!
Furthermore, it's funny that religion doesn't get blamed when people do really good things!
Brian35897
How did I know the rabid atheists would be all over this one?
Ignorance is sooooooo predictable....
Boy Howdy did you get that right...the ignorant bible thumpers are all over this religious crime...
Complete and utter nonsense ... exactly the type of circular logic I, and others have already pointed out.
Let's not forget the very foundations on which your faith was formed ... human sacrifice. If you're a Christian, I'm sure I don't need to remind you of what your god told Abraham to do to his own son? Yeah, that's right, he was supposed to gut him ..... mmmm, how pleasant. In addition to such wickedness as this, The bible is chuck full of examples of demonic atrocities. And the church, to THIS VERY DAY, takes demonic possession serious (they even have official regulations for exorcisms).
Furthermore, can we just get back to the lameness of your original argument?
Orson Wells? Are you serious?
So let me get this straight. The seductive powers of Wells' 1985 is on par with the Bible? A book that most Christians believe is the inspired word of their creator, and some even the written word .... the word that encompasses and influences their entire lives?
Yeah, that analogy makes perfect sense.
Brotha
Here's the thing. I think it's really great when religious people do good things. Guess what, I like to do good things too. Not because I'm religious, but because doing good things is a good thing to do. The right thing to do. The human thing to do.
I don't know about you, but when I see someone doing good things because they realize it's the right thing to do and not just because they believe they have a divine mandate to do good, I'm a little more impressed with that first person.
Truly good people do the right thing even when they know no one is looking.
Hang this bitch!
This woman is clearly mentally ill... and I'm not just talking about her religion.
Personally I think it's pretty pathetic when someone reads an article like this and the first thing they do is turn it into an anti-religion, anti-political, anti-whateverelse there is, in the face of such tragedy. Are you really that warped to blame something other then the person who did this atrocious act? Are you really that desperate to use this crime as a soap box to spout your ideals? It honestly makes me sick. What you should really be concerned about is how eager you are to place blame on a tool (and yes I'm calling religion a tool) and how that supersedes compassion and common decency.
Two innocent children where brutally murdered, stabbed 150 times by her. For whichever one of the reasons she gave, and she did give many, none of them will ever be good enough to justify the cold blooded murder of two innocent children and dogs. I hope the family of those children find the justice they need and are able to find peace some day. This woman is a monster and has no place in society.
@ Chad her original "reasoning" shouts insanity attempt to me, she didn't really believe that. She changed her story to her adult child, and then to the police. She is the definition of pure evil, and vindictive.
Hey, sure beats the "God made me do it" defense.... is it me or are we becoming a peoples full of nut jobs on the loose??
I love the hypocrisy in this country.
Someone takes a gun and shoots up a bunch of people, and all the nuts are like "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
Yet someone kills someone on an alleged religious base and suddenly religion is at fault.
You can't have it both ways.
:)
It is very likely that she is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. It is also likely that she has been seen by a mental health professional (e.g. psychiatrist) who knew she was a risk but let her roam free in society. This is the person who should be prosecuted for the children's death. This has nothing to do with religion.
Religion is a mental illness.
Recognizing you have a problem is the first step to recovery. She didn't get the help she needed.
Or perhaps gad used one of the flockers to call a couple little angels to sky fairy land?
Yay! I can see some here actually have some experience with mental illness, namely paranoid schizophrenia. I've also had plenty of experience with that so I'm going to tell you all a little story about someone I know with this horrid disease.
I have to preface though by saying a couple of things. First of all, it is completely ignorant of people to blame the acts committed while a person is suffering from a psychotic episode on religion. Do a little research before spouting off on something you know nothing about. You can blame a lot of things on religion but this isn't one of them. (And remember, just because someone claims to do something in the name of God doesn't mean God condones what they did.)
Secondly the mother-in-law of one of my friends works in a mental hospital. You can pretty well imagine that she sees it all. This is what she said: When it comes to paranoid schizophrenia there are three things they become paranoid about. Those three things are (and there may only be one or two or all three together): government, aliens, and religion. She said if a person doesn't have a religious background their paranoia will be about government or aliens. If a person has a religious background sometimes their paranoia will be about demons, etc.
Now about the person I know: She was raised a Christian. She's very intelligent and has an interest in politics. We've seen enough strange light shows in the sky that we both wonder about aliens. She spent years on the internet "researching" conspiracy theories. This was a symptom of her illness. The more a person reads conspiracy theories the more they believe they're true and the more paranoid they become. This is not necessarily a symptom of an illness but can be. Anyone who knows anything about conspiracy theories has heard of the so-called Illuminati group (whether they exist or not I've no clue, I just have read what was supposed to be information about them). This person lived this stuff for years. A few years later her mental illness escalated and eventually she had several complete psychotic break-downs. Between those episodes she was working on writing a story and there was a group she based on the "Illuminati" but gave a different name. During one of her psychotic episodes she believed that group (she called them by the name she had made up) had planted bombs in her yard. She believed that to the point where two years later, after she was on proper medication, she called me and asked if I would call her insurance company because she was sure she had some kind of hazardous waste clean-up insurance and wanted someone in there to clean it up.
That is just one tiny fraction of the various things she went through while she was psychotic. I could write a book about everything she has told me over the years, including "channeling" President Bush, alien abduction and missing time episodes, "angels" telling her that relatives had died (relatives which in reality were very much alive), etc.
The point is, aside from religious aspects being a part of their paranoia, it is a mental disease caused by either a break-down between the two sides of the brain or by a chemical imbalance. Neither religion, nor aliens, nor government have caused it.
Chad-1841583.....your disdain for religion is apparent and has nothing to do with my point. I have no desire at this time to defend the written word because that would prove futile. Im also not concerned with what you think of "my" God or Abraham for that matter. You've made up your mind and that's your business. Besides, It's His job to bring revelation, not mine! However, the more I read from you, I cant help wonder which of us you're trying to convince more. Also, the reason why my anology made no sense to you was, I wasn't talking about Burgess' 1985 (Im not aware of a 1985 from Wells), I was refering to Orson Welles naration of the H.G. Wells novel "War of the Worlds". All I was saying from the beginning was that you can no more blame religion for what this woman did, than you can blame Orson Welles for mentally ill patients talking to aliens. It's obvious that whatever she suffers from distorted her thinking enough to override rationallity. It wasn't religion! Trying to blame religion for the actions of sick individuals is "lame". We could throw blame all day on a miriad of subjects, but the bottom line boils down to the actions of individuals. If all religion and all of its adherents produced this type of behavior this argument would be rock solid, but the reality is that it's not! Religious or otherwise, all of mankind is inclined to do evil things! All I was saying to people is dont cherry pick religion!
"Yes, this has everything to do with religion. This woman was obviously very sick (but that's COMPLETELY BESIDES THE POINT)."
Chad says that her being sick is "beside the point" because the facts don't support this being a "religious act". So he says to ignore the fact that she is a sick f*ck because that doesn't support his equally sick explanation of this being some sort of religious act. So, what religion does she belong to that requires this? None. Which means that this crime was comitted by chad and allen.
http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/
Plenty of sickos who are not religious Doug. It's a mental issue not a religious one.
This smart but evil woman was thinking Andrea Yates (drowned her six kids because they were possessed) and hoping to get a similar trial and verdict. She probably broke down and admitted she was bitter and wanted to get revenge on the husband - that she was in a babysitting role suggests she lost custody - why they then let her babysit alone with the kids will leave others to wonder forever.
Instead of blaming Jesus Christ and his so called zealous followers for this woman's behavior, people probably should reflect on the fact that maybe Hitler level evil exists and did this to the children to hurt the heart of God himself - having those sweet little kids kneel down and say the "our Father" with this evil deranged woman and then met the Heavenly father moments later leave those standing there in the middle of one of the worst crime scenes ever with only one comfort - that demonically driven woman can't hurt them anymore.
@Brotha C
Are you kidding? Every time something good happens, people give God credit for it. It's insanity.
Obviously this was gods will, because he allowed it. I'm not sure why you people condemn that which god wanted to happen. You cannot have it both ways.
We are much too savage a species
to be the descendants of any God
I won't say it has everything to do with religion, but those who say it has nothing to do with religion are wrong.
Yes, this woman is mentally ill. Yes, she made up several excuses for what happened. However, the fact that she went to a church first after committing this crime tells you something.
Religion was a part of why this happened. To say otherwise is foolish.
Forget due process. Straight to the chair for this one. What a terrible story.
BigAllas vegas,you have spoken the truth,this is what that fictious teaching about the devil, not only in the church but in a lot of holmes, can do to someone's mind.
This woman is not evil she just have an evil mind from years of brain washing,I would bet if her back ground is revealed she most likely was taught all this devil crap growing up and most likely in in a church .
Some of the most atrocious crimes on earth have been commited because of relegion,like the enslave of both Native Americans and Africans that was justified from the intertrepation of the bible and justified because they were not christians,we are still seeing the effects of this brain washing hundreds and thousands of years later.
This lady should be in a mental facility not in jail,she is a very sick person from the effects of many years of fals teachings which affects most of us,some more than others.
This had nothing to do with religion. Read the damn article. The woman is clearly mentally unstable. Her instability was not caused by religion. She simply used religion as her excuse in her insanity. If she had been an atheist and used some secular excuse like many do, one could easily say had she been a christian that would've never happened.
The only one with "demons" here is the mother. And by "demons" I mean "Bat sh!t crazy". End of story.
Well after reading the comments here i've come to a real, serious conclusion about what happened here:
THE DEVIL MADE HER DO IT
it's got all the tell-tale signs...straight out of his handbook.
and to deny this, you must not be a true believer...we all know what the devil is capable of.
@Captain Jack.... I was talking about people that are not"religious"!!! Pointing out that alot of people become perveyors of religious criticisms when infrequent evil is done, yet are apathetic to the habitual good that is also done in its name. Of coarse "religious" people are going to thank God for everything! Are you paying attention bro? You might wanna consider changing your name to Captain Obvious?
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Not just pulling stuff out of the air here people, I have two brothers that are schizophrenic and a baby sis (my heart) who is showing signs! First hand experience with it for over 20 years, believe me, it's not religion!
This article is written up so poorly.how is it that their own mother was babysitting them at Olivia's home.Olivia is the 5 year old. The lady need intensive psychiatric help and to be committed to a mental hospital for life.This is really tragic that a family would be in denial about this woman's mental state.
Anyone else vote for Obama just to piss off the Christian Right? Ironically enough, after the election's results ... I now believe in god (just kidding).
She looks like a man in drag. No wonder those two guys wanted nothing to do with her...
She might have been setting her sights on an insanity plea from the outset.
That is doubtful. The reason that I say this is because the action appears to be very spontaneous.
Contrary to popular belief, the insanity defense is very rarely attempted by defense attorneys. Of the rare instances in which it is attempted, very few of those are successful.
The article states the she contacted people and stated that she "did something bad." Right there, she blew her chance for insanity. The defense has to prove that their client is so divorced from reality that they really do not understand that what they did was actually wrong.
In the famous case of John Hinkley and his attempt to assassinate the President, it was proven that Hinkley did not understand at all how the world works due to severe mental illness. He believed that if he were to assassinate the Pres., then he would become the new President, and that Jodie Foster would be so impressed, she would marry hime and become the First Lady. He really believed this -- that is how delusional a person must be in order to get off on insanity.
This woman, on some level, realized that she had done something terrible. She's crazy, for sure, but she understands the world well enough to know what she did was wrong.
When is society going to admit there is no cure for these so called mentally ill or defect who commits such killings. When found guiltly they need to be put down it is the only way to make sure these monsters can't hurt any other innocence life. It seem to the defense attoney's main stragety. God, devil, good evil, if she was any other species she would be removed to protect the pack. Time to change laws.
DKJ - im not sure that anyone views prison as a "cure" for being mentally ill, or committing murders.
but I agree, sometimes there's no logic in letting someone rot in prison at our expense.
unfortunately, our current system is set up so that lethal injection is more expensive than a lifetime in prison.
and I cant help but wonder if the for-profit prisons did that intentionally...when we kill a murderer, they lose money. they've lobbied our govt so many times to make certain crimes "prison worthy" so they make more money, i would not be shocked if they have had a hand in ensuring that lethal injection is more costly than a lifetime in prison...and yes, the cost is sometimes a deterrant for states and why they've decided to do away with the death penalty.
those appeals are very costly...and it's the attorneys/judges pocketing a lot of that money.
If you're looking for evil, don't look at innocent children. Look in the mirror, you worthless b!tch. You don't deserve to live another day. It's a shame you ever lived at all.
My sentiments exactly!
Cases like this require an expedited death sentence.
If you've clearly and intentionally taken the life of another sentient human, then you no longer need to be counted among the living. Especially if it's a child or person who is incapable of defending themselves. (Not talking about abortion in this statement) No rehabilitation, no decreased mental capacity plea, no temporary insanity plea.
Valhallaarwen<< ~~~ >> Where does it say that prolifers --- any or all --- would not help these children if they could??? There are A GREATER NUMBER of abortion alternative clinics in this country than abortion facilities, despite the fact that #I} Helping a woman through her pregnancy and beyond tell she can get on her feet costs money, often a lot of money, but abortion facilities MAKE money, A LOT OF MONEY, by supplying the services they supply. #II} One of the reasons prolifers do not help EVERYONE is that they are often not given the chance because those persons close to a woman with a problem pregnancy VERY OFTEN steered her toward the back alle...er...uh...abortion facility, sometimes (not always, but sometimes/pretty often) strongly pressuring her to abort rather than consider all her alternatives. #III} Why do you suggest that it is incumbent on ONLY prolifers to help a woman needing help to deliver her baby and go on from there? Choice means---or rather it is supposed to mean---that a woman gets to CHOOSE, HERSELF between abortion and life for her child. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT *** ONLY abortion should be her choice.
Pick Two Words: DEATH PENALTY, SAVE TAXES
No death penalty. In the timespan of the universe, she'll die soon enough. In the meantime a life sentence in prision will make her life hell and she'll have plenty of time to reflect on what she did while she gets the beat down from the other inmates.
I choose Death Penalty for 200.00 Alex.
That woman is young enough to be a tax leech for a few decades. I can see no compelling reason for her to be among the breathing now.
The death penalty actually costs the tax payer more. More for court costs, psychologist/psychiatrists, attorneys, appeals. The shot is the least of the expenses. Life in prison without hope for parole is a cheaper alternative.
That is why they need to simplify the process Momma Rose. If they are found guilty, wait a week then take them out back to the firing squad.
Mommarose, only because we allow, how about one standard fee for all attorneys this might actually bring justice instead of decades of unnecessary appeals. Time to put the victims & innocent people first.
monkeymonkey....seriously?? You actually think she'll give a damn?
Death penalty cases cost a lot more than life in prison... nice try though with the hateful eye-for-an-eye religious rhetoric. No sane person could do such a thing and she clearly needs to be locked in a rubber room. What's the point of murdering, I mean death penalty, of someone that isn't sane in the first place? Is the death penalty revenge? Why is killing her so appealing to you.
Obviously what she did is horrifying, but spending the money to chase a death penalty is a waste of time since the defense will almost certainly be able to prove she is mentally ill. It also won't change what happened to those children.
If you are really so appalled then support greater funding for the treatment of the mentally ill. In America we push the mentally ill out on the street and of course they are ticking time-bombs ready to explode. If we took mental illness seriously and treated people this kind of horrible act wouldn't happen. If you really want to help then work to treat the sick, instead of demanding the death of mentally ill people when they snap.
DKJ,
When we go down that road it becomes an extremely slippery slope!
Life in prison to actually save money but make sure she's in with a crowd who will give her an early exit a la Dahmer.
My thoughts? Women who kill their children are acting out of ego. They obviously don't value the life of their child so they kill them. They think they are the victim of neglect, abuse, or they have post partum? depression, or their hair do that day was a strand off... they always have some stupid @!$%#ing excuse for taking the lives of the innocent and pure...yes, they could be the subject of abuse...but killing their children is not forgivable. Women like that simply think they have all the rights that society can give them and care nothing about anyone other then themselves!!! Children deserve so much better then that!
She is a stupid, @!$%#, bitch, whore, who deserves to rot! and probably will!! in my opinion...
So I take it that all of you posters screaming for her death believe that it is ok to execute a mentally ill person? From judging by these posts it is a wonder that anybody receives mental health care in our country due to the ignorance on the subject.
SICK
Not sick....EVIL!
She said that she did this because the husband was (not paying attention to her....upset with her.....whaterver). She forgot that the children are the most precious thing because they are innocent!
The horror, the horror. (Heart of Darkness)
are you an assassin ? Am a soldier..
I thought it was Apocalypse Now
Tex
It was stated in the movie Apocalypse Now but the movie came from the novel Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
Jack from Jax --- wow, there is an intelligent person out there!
This woman, and that is only to describe the gender, needs tenderizing...
Those poor, poor children. I can't even imagine the horror they went through. She deserves no less than death. I don't want to pay to house her for the rest of her life.
I can't imagine what the parents of that little girl are going through. To have your babysitter go off on your child and her own is mind boggling.
I feel for those parents as well as the father of her son. Sadly you can't trust anyone anymore, it doesn't matter how nice they talk. This is the reason why I quit my job, to watch my own kid.
Sickened and saddened.
death penalty for this woman!!
kill a child----->death row
thats how it should be!!
Screw death row where she can sit and live for the next 20 years on tax payer dollars. After the verdict put her in the local police lock up until the morning and hang her at the crack of dawn.
Amanda, how do you know that this woman did not have a traumatic childhood and was not as fortunate to have a decent upbringing with necessary help. She was once a child herself, and all children grow up. She is obviously ill and needs help.
I think what you really mean to say is:
anyone who kills senselessly ---->death row.
Aside exceptions from self defense of self, home, family and property: I agree with you!
7 and 5 years old, murdered in this fashion. The fuq is wrong with people these days...
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She does not even look muslim.
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Read my post below.
Had she been a Muslim or a racial minority, could you imagine the racist spew that would be on newsvine right now? Those of you that think we live in a post racial country because the President is black, need only read the comments on newsvine about any story where the topic is negative and the subject is a minority. Had she been black? "Where is Jessie and Al now?!" Hispanic? "Shut down the borders and deport her!" Muslim? "Some religion of peace! They murder babies!" When the perp is white, race is NEVER brought up, much less given as a factor in their actions. Some of you go as far as justify their actions or make excuses for it. Go ahead and mark my post "No Value" if you want, most of you know I am right and the ones that don't think so are living with their heads in the sand.
Okay I'll bite troll, That white christian b!tch needs to deported to hell and anyone else who defends her beliefs that it is okay to murder children because the devil is inside them.
pulled my head out of the sand to see what was going on - read your post - trying to figure what it has to do with the story? she is nuts, obviously .... she sounds foreign ..... those crazy ruskies .... gett'em out of the country! where the hell is jessie and al ?????? she may be a closet muslim? we really do need to shut down the borders by the way, just sayin' ......
Race is not brought up because white is not a race. Italian, Polish, etc are the race(s).
Why wasn't racism splashed everywhere when this innocent couple was killed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom
For some reason, it didn't even make national headlines!
Nothing else needs to be said on this subject.
O.K. multiple parts.
Cappy, just plain stupid and petty. When it fits people mock, sometimes the truth hurts stupid and weak willed people.
Jdeebs, thank you, a perfect illustration!
Anglynn, just to be clear, White i.e. Caucasian is a race.
Italian Polish ect are Nationalities.... think color = race, national heritage = Nationality.
So you want racial slurs/comments/hate to be spread with crimes perpertrated by white people?
I thought we wanted to remove the race factor and have people make the same comments no matter who commits the crime.
The way you are speaking, it sounds like you would be happy if everyone spread hate to whites instead of... you know... removing hate altogether.
You are pointing your gun at the wrong battlefield, sir... Your efforts and words would be better spent elsewhere.
@Cappy---You're right, there would be 10x the comments. I'm sure many started hammering this link ready to get off by firing off some juicy racist or political BS. Saw the woman's pic--"aw, crap!" lol But seriously, RIP the innocent children.
I have to agree with Cappy on this one..seems you will all have to hold your racist comments for another day...
If her husband didn't "appreciate" her then, I don't think what she did is gonna change his mind. Just saying
There's evil here but it wasn't in those poor children! Lock her up forever with Bubbas wife.
This POS needs to be hung in public at high noon. Unfortunately she will be exonerated because of 'insanity' and we, the people, will end up paying to keep her alive and in treatment for the rest of her pitiful life. Maybe we'll get lucky and she'll kill herself.
this is sad i used to live in naperville such a nice and friendly town i cant believe it would happen here
She told her son he was going to heaven. Well, evil biatch, I don't know if there is a heaven, but I sure hope there is a hell because that's where you're going to end up.
Naperville again?? What is in the water there?? (Thankfully I grew up in Downers Grove)
XX.
Maybe there is some evil bubbling up from the bowels of hell.......
I really believe that crimes against children and any murderer should not even have a chance of a bond. She falls into both ,and needs to be put away.I figure she had to have issues before. She did not just wake up one morning,and decide these kids had the devil in them! After reading the article again,I do not believe that she is legally mentally ill. She changed her story several times,and each answer was something that could have happened.She was not ranting and screaming about off the wall things.I know that she said that the devil was in these kids,but she could have picked that up anywhere,or she may have beem a member of some off the wall religion! She is sick in the head-I just do not believe that she is legally mentally ill. Whatever the case may be.she knew what she was doing,and needs to be held responsible.I know that people are tired of paying for another prisoner,but whether she is out,or in prison,we will still end up paying for her. Put her in prison,and I doubt she will last long!
Perhaps if they put a tax on knifes (like the one for guns) this would never have happened.
It's absolutely horrible what she did. She needs serious mental help, she's most likely a paranoid schizophrenic.
Kari.01, I agree with you to an extent. VIOLENT paranoid schizophrenia (not screaming, only enunciating) is actually rare, but it does exist more often then not, and you are seeing it a lot more in the news. Usually those people also have bi-polar tendencies, amongst other mental disorders. Rehabbing someone who has gone that far to kill though is really not possible. They simply kill again. She executed her children to get back at her husband, so she needs to be executed before she kills again.
Ladies, you're both right, and unfortunately once they get to the point where only killing will satisfy their urge, that's when you gotta plug in the electric chair. She needs to be eradicated from existence, simple as that.
I just feel sick to my stomach after reading what she did to those poor kids....
A violent paranoid schizo did a quad homicide 4 blocks from where I was living at the time. The victims were his sister, her boyfriend and a couple other friends. He was upstairs and did it because he thought he heard them talking about him. It doesn't take much (or anything at all if they're hallucinating) to set them off. This case certainly has all the hallmarks.
Whatever happened to using the word crazy???? This fruit was by far out of her friggin' CRAZY azz mind, 'nuff said, religion has absolutely nothing to do with it.....
Religion wants to force every woman to carry every pregnancy to term no matter how unfit a parent the mother may be; the more extreme of the religious right even wants to ban contraception.