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Subscribe to RSSTODAY's Al Roker takes a look at the European model forecast that predicted Sandy, and its new forecast of a potential Nor'easter next week, bringing wind gusts of up to 45 mph.
Millions trying to recover from Superstorm Sandy were not getting much cooperation from Mother Nature: Lows this weekend were set to dip into the 30s, an issue for elderly and others without power, while a nor'easter winter storm is possibly on its way.
"We just want to get heat so we can survive at night," a resident of Essex Falls, N.J., told NBC 4 New York on Friday, four days after her power went out. "It's so cold out."
"Everybody's tired of it already," Rosemarie Zurlo, a resident of New York City's West Village told NBCNewYork.com.
She said she planned to leave her powerless, unheated apartment to stay with her sister in Brooklyn. "I'm leaving because I'm freezing. My apartment is ice cold."
On top of the cold, the National Weather Service's prediction center, in a Friday update, cited the "potential for a nor'easter along the Atlantic Coast next Wednesday and Thursday."
"No rest for the weary," it added.
The system wouldn't be another Sandy, but it could build off North Carolina next Tuesday, then move up the coast and affect New Jersey, Long Island and other hard-hit areas by Wednesday.
"The possible storm next week is not of the same make up as Sandy," prediction center forecaster Jim Cisco told NBC News, "though any more rain, snow or wind would certainly pose exacerbating effects on the impacted regions."
"This is just what we don't need," added NBC News meteorologist Al Roker, saying winds could gust up to 45 miles per hour.
"You look at those winds coming counterclockwise, bringing in with it the potential for one to two more inches of rain ... and wet snow inland just along the New York/New Jersey border," he said. "We're talking about wet snow mixing in."
Those gusts along with waves in "already compromised beaches along New Jersey and Long Island ... could cause big problems," Roker added.
Homeowners in suburban New York are depending on generators until electricity is restored as others are rushing to buy them – to prepare for future storms. TODAY's Jenna Wolfe reports.
"It's not definite," he emphasized, but two key models used by weather forecasters are in agreement "that this is going to happen. It's just a matter of how strong this system is going to be."
The Weather Channel echoed that concern.
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"At this point we do not expect the impacts to 'break anything that is not already broken'," weather.com winter weather expert Tom Niziol wrote Friday. "However the combination of weather impacts will add insult to injury for the recovery process along the East Coast."
NBC News meteorologist Bill Karins said that while the new system would have only a fraction of Sandy's power it comes at a vulnerable time. "Its greatest impact will be battering waves along the Sandy impact zone," he predicted. "Beaches/structures have no protection from wave action at high tide cycles until the dunes can build back up."
"Other impacts are very minor," he added. "Rain/winds could delay line crews restoring power and there would be some danger of falling already loosened tree branches."
Even before any nor'easter, Northeast residents were told to expect evening low temperatures to dip a few degrees into the low-to-mid 30s over the weekend.
New Yorkers can expect a stiff breeze Saturday morning to make it feel like it's in the 20s, NBCNewYork.com reported.
David Friedman / NBC News
Superstorm Sandy made landfall Monday evening on a destructive and deadly path across the Northeast.
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The utility Con Edison is working to restore power to some 226,000 customers in Manhattan by Saturday, but that would still leave some 350,000 of its customers elsewhere in New York City potentially in the dark beyond Saturday.
Con Edison said it hoped the vast majority of those would have power by Nov. 11.
As for a potential nor'easter, Con Edison spokeswoman Sara Banda told NBC News that "we're going to have to take that into account."
The areas taking the longest for restored power, Banda said, are those with overhead lines. "It's taking a bit longer," she said, noting that crews have had to deal with 100,000 downed lines.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Friday warned New Yorkers about using candles to provide heat, noting that at least one home caught fire as a result.
"I know it's chilly, I know you want to have light at night," he said, "but don't leave candles unattended."
New Jersey has also been hard hit with outages, and many homes there were told not to expect power until next week.
In Beachwood, 11-year-old Zach Molino took matters into his own hands -- and wagon -- by biking around his neighborhood to collect wood from fallen trees for his family's fireplace.
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Zach Molino of Beachwood, N.J., gathers firewood for the family fireplace.
Across the region, 3.5 million homes and businesses still were without power Friday afternoon, according to a tally from the federal government.
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I can't wait to read the political comments about Romney or Obama, or how this particular storm is tied to global warming or not, or if this is God's fault. C'mon out of the woodwork in mom's basements all you extremist nut jobs from both sides and have at it. I've got popcorn in the microwave and I'm ready for the show...
Actually, Tim, I prefer to stick with the subject of the article! LOL. The weather will definitely hinder the recovery efforts and maybe postpone the NYC Marathon (this would be a good thing to postpone) - so that all resources can be used for the recovery process and it can progress as efficiently as possible, even though the weather will not be much help!
Hang in there NYC and NJ - Better days are ahead!
The NYC Marathon is on Sunday
agreed jack....but ya just know hes right.............
Don't worry, Sandy victims, Mitt Romney has a plan. At a storm relief event in Ohio, he said that he could relate to those struggling to clean up after the disaster because he'd done it before. Well, not after a hurricane but after a high school football game. "The field was covered with rubbish and paper goods from … a big celebration," he said. "And there was a group of us there assigned to clean it up. And I thought, ‘How are we going to clean up all the mess?'" The student in charge, who was not the teenaged Mitt, organized them into lanes and encouraged them to focus on their own territory. "Today, we’re cleaning one lane if you will," Romney finished.
Amazing.
Let's not make this political or rebellious. These people now our help. Let's all do what we can. I will donate again to Red Cross next week when I get paid. I hope others will follow through too.
Scooter
Yes, I understood his frustrations with that and I was using a witty remark to let him know it was not gonna come from me!
Also, a request: Contact Wisconsin Dad, I did a few minutes ago and go to my Vine and read my bio re mil vet etc!. Thanks
So thoughtful of your great mayor doomberg to proceed with the marathon on Sunday. Wouldn't want misery and tragedy to stand in the way of revenue and profits. The show must go on!! Never mind that no one will be watching it from the sidelines.
My question is: will the thirsty marathoners be served 32 oz gatorade, or will they only get the 8 oz cups??
well Jen, it may lift peoples spirit's some, i know that for some strange reason i enjoy watching women run....:)
Here... read this... NJ turned down NON-UNION help!!!!
Tim:
Since you raised the issue, the question that looms over the disaster and the global warming issue is whether "recovery" includes rebuilding in the shore-front/water-front areas that have been cleared or othewise adversely affected through the devastation of this horrendous storm, Sandy?
Global warming teaches that the waters of the Atlantic, and really, worldwide water levels, are rising and will continue to rise eventually to the point of overtaking some, if not all the land and territory affected by Sandy and displacing the inhabitants. With this reality in view, should the areas be rebuilt and re-inhabited or should the opportunity be taken to maintain the clearance occassisoned by Sandy and allow these areas to remain unoccupied and uninhabited for the eventual overtaking of these areas by the water levels that are eventual anyway?
Don't have the answer, just asking what everyone else might think.
going forward with the Marathon, is one of the dumbest moves of all times.
Ok.. lets see Romney caused all the snow to fall in the inland areas (Racist white snow job) and Obama didn't live up to his promise to stop the water from rising in high income neighborhoods. Biden was responsible for the hot air (global Warming) blowing on the east coast and Ryan cut the FEMA budget for pizza on the entire east coast and Ohio for blacks, hispanics and women. and then in the meanwhile Obama and Christie fell in love making Mr. Bloomberg so upset he was seen running Through the streets of all 5 boroughs of NYC as the city was without power and water.
ya got it bob.... good job.....you may have a cookie......
You just did, Tim!!!
And Jeff, don't waste your time. Most of these posters could care less about the subject at hand.
austck - no we did not turn away help. read the updated articles and check your facts. Those workers did not even get to NJ - and the ones that did were unionized.
I was thinking less about about politics, and more about how sad these folks can't catch a break. This will roll them right into a long and difficult winter. Our thoughts and warmest wishes for those affected by the tragedy.
#1.9- not true:
FROM: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
These stories are NOT TRUE:
One of the comments in the article mentions that the person is all ready sick/tired of their situation - how many years have Katrina victims been suffering?
As a person who has had to deal with adversity for 11 years, even had to move from the best State in the Country (Washington) to help deal with the chronic pain I suffer from 20 years on a jackhammer and the resulting 11 operations I've had, which did almost nothing to restore my health...sorry, I don't feel too much sympathy for those who's only dilemma from Sandy is a few more days without power.
JP- I feel inclined to insult you here but something tells me it wouldn't matter. People have died, and lost everything. Your pity party is mostly self inflicted, I guarantee it.
A little humanity and humility might benefit you, but something tells me you are more of a taker than a giver.
Yes, here are comments from JP's page- he's quite a winner/whiner
Nice, even "classier" than I thought.
Oh good, cool weather for the runners of the marathon....nice job bloomberg, sure glad your not my mayor...
lets see... you live 20 feet from the water... if youre a republican youre likely a global warming denyer.. so.. cry me a river?
sad if someone died, although if they chose to not evacuate.. kinda their own fault.
if you can afford a million dollar home on the beach, i cant believe you didnt bother to buy insurance. if you kept your lifelong precious valuables 20 feet from the ocean.. well...
but yeah, totally obamas fault im sure.
"Oh good, cool weather for the runners of the marathon....nice job bloomberg, sure glad your not my mayor..."
oh yeah cause the mayor is supposed to control the weather now too. you people are just somethin else.
but lemme guess, you dont want gummint controlin yer life right?
@Starterup: What's more amazing is Barry's total disregard for cleanup efforts by dragging his ass to New Jersy for a photo op! Do you know how many cops and first responders were probably interferred with so he could troll his lame ass around in a motorcade? Don't you think a planeload of supplies would have been more welcome than using a couple of million dollars okay, $100ks to fly up there before jetting to Las Vegas? Barry is clueless. I'll take Romney's well meaning naivete over Barry's militant anti-americanism any day.
yeah, "barry" should have just flown over in a jet while people drowned, ya know, like bush. of course those were mostly blacks so...
this is just a question why cant we skip turning back the clock so the East Coast can do what they need to do to survive i know i would give up a extra hour of sleep for those PEOPLE to be safe and now they are talking about another storm comming, and if i am not wrong did't President BUSH do that 1 year Just saying this is some scary stuff happening on the East Coast.
BS friend. More whites than blacks died in Katrina so spew your hateful crap all day- the lies won't stand up.
Polpundit in post 1.10 wrote, in part:
"(T)he question that looms over the disaster and the global warming issue is whether "recovery" includes rebuilding in the shore-front/water-front areas that have been cleared or othewise adversely affected through the devastation of this horrendous storm, Sandy?
Global warming teaches that the waters of the Atlantic, and really, worldwide water levels, are rising and will continue to rise eventually to the point of overtaking some, if not all the land and territory affected by Sandy and displacing the inhabitants. With this reality in view, should the areas be rebuilt and re-inhabited or should the opportunity be taken to maintain the clearance occassisoned by Sandy and allow these areas to remain unoccupied and uninhabited for the eventual overtaking of these areas by the water levels that are eventual anyway?"
Good question. All things being equal (which it isn't) the smart thing would be to clear the wreckage and leave it be. Perhaps adding sand dunes, where appropriate, or some such matters including planting grasses.
Those who's houses would now be 'ocean front' property would be wildly for it, as their property values would sky rocket.
Those who had paid mega bucks for 'ocean front' property who wouldn't be allowed to rebuild would scream about property loses.
I think those whose properties are now 'inlets' would get some financial compensation for the total loss based on their insurance policies. I'm sure some will scream about 'miserly payouts'.
It doesn't matter what is done, or not done. Someone's going to be screaming while others will be grinning.
"BS friend. More whites than blacks died in Katrina so spew your hateful crap all day- the lies won't stand up."
yeah ok classy white girl.. the lower ninth ward and st bernard parrish was a white part of town.. uh huh
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
The 2000 census shows that St. Bernard parish was 88.3% white and 7.6% black. So now what?
Classy white girl? Racist much? just a guess. Senseless banter, I just don't like the lying.
Ignore those people criticizing your post...anyone using a Barbie doll for their profile picture probably has issues anyway.
How's things in Tucson? Raining here, as it has almost every day since the middle of last month. Oh...and my kidney doctor says no dialysis yet...
I've been pretty silent on whats been going on down south of me this week,partly because I have first hand knowledge of what you are all going thru(I've lived on the coast of Mass{Marshfield} and now live in NH most of my life and have been thru the Great Blizzard of 78,Gloria,the No Name Storm,Bob,Irene and so many other n'oreasters and have watched houses float away as well as people,dogs,etc,gone forever.What I say to all is this.My family has lived here for 300 years.This is the Northeast.We may not get the massive fires,the tornadoes or the hurricanes of the rest of the county oh no..up here we can get all those in a week....and we have and will in the future.It is not easy to live up here,and for that you have to prepare,indeed for anything.What worries me now for those south of me.GET WARM.if the house is cold and you cant light a fire inside(you're in an apt or such)..get warm.Even setting up a campfire outside,do this...I did this the last time that we lost power down at the beach for 3 weeks..get up a campfire,warm up some stones.Take em back up and put them in bed,couch,or sleepin bag.Im worried you guys are going to get pneumonia bad down there,simple thing like this'll keep you alive.Hot water bags work too.Look,the cold'll kill you.They did'nt call this time of year the 'dyin time' for nothing.Get warm.Snow's comin next week and they wont have the lines up for at least two dudes.Look I know you guys.You're New Yorkers ya dont go to shelters..but(in your language)DONT BE STOOPID..if ya cant stand it get out or at least do what we were taught as kids on how to stay alive.Once it gets below freezin your body's gonna loseheat when you go to sleep real fast.Ya,you can die from that so keep warm.These guys down south,least they can stay outside when your house gets destroyed,we cant do that up here..
DG, yes, the two of you can whine together about your personal problems. And that is one hot Barbie you could never get, so you can only bash her. Tisk tisk.
TMI this is not a forum for your personal woes.
So many of you seriously sound so stupid...this was about people ....OUR people are suffering..not white not black PEOPLE..NOT republican not Democrate....PEOPLE....ALL states have there share of disasters ALL is BOOOOO for the people that live there and the lives that are destroyed. WHAT HAPPENED TO US MY GOD..heartless racist a$$holes. I'm 50 years old and have never seen so much divide in this country...SHAMEFUL. God Bless all those who are suffering and cold on the East Coast...I too live in a state with it's share of flooding,wind storms,volcano's,earthquakes and many ice storms and we live by the ocean,I pray it doesn't ever happen as bad as I have seen on the East Coast HORRIBLE. Washington State has it all just depends on the year what we get. I make it a point to be VERY prepared for anything,I wish more did it would make these times much easier to get through.
austck
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
According to my fact check . No they did not. It is always good to google these responds instead of taking them as gospel. You did get a lot of people upping your post austck .
How 'bout this Tim? President Stinky (BO) told us he had everything under control!! Compare and contrast to the handling of Katrina by then President Bush. I would say that anyybody who "thinks" they're suffering as a result of Sandy and now the new storm is just a liar, un-American, and racist.
A union neighbor of mine was THRILLED when Bammy's union thugs wouldn't let non-union workers to assist restore power. Off topic, but that's why I avoid union-thug made garbage whenever possible.
This sucks for those on the northeast. A couple years back an ice storm not only took down the power line in my back yard, but tore the box completely off the house. The electric company wouldn't touch until until an electrician put up a new box. Took almost a week in December and it was cold and bitter December at that. I spent a lot of time worrying about pipes freezing and food spoiling. Neither scenerio seemed very pleasant. But we ended up getting a propane shop heater to keep the pipes from freezing, even though it didn't really keep the whole house all that warm.
What I think would really suck for these people is if this storm causes even more damage and significantly delays the efforts to get the power back on.
step one kent...shame on you.... an Iowa boy not prepared for ice / snow .
But the same thing happened to my neighbor ( the good one), who had just moved here from down south and just plain didnt know what to do, so i got some conduit and wire and ran a temp from my breaker box out the window, in his window and connected, it was about three feet off the ground and looked like hell but hey it worked. course when the inspector saw he he about had apoplexy...but it sustained him for four days and he was so grateful he paid my elect bill for the month.... and for those of you who dint understand suffice it to say...us Iowa boys do $hit like that..........its called helping.
How lucky your neighbor was to have you!! We need MORE Iowa boys!! YOU ROCK!
bet ya just thought i was just another pretty face eh val?...............LOL......but i bet things like that are happening on the east coast as well. sent the red cross a couple bucks, that's all i can do, after all my drop cords are only 50 footers...........
They have these big ice storms in Kentucky and other southern states. A few year back, they had a big one in Kentucky and some people were without power for close to a month in freezing weather. This is much worse though because of the dense population.
This would be a good time to invest in any company that makes portable generators. I bet a lot of folks will be in the market for one after all of this.
Send money to your favorite charity first though.
What!...you live in Iowa, and don't have a backup generator for all the tornado, snow/ice storms you get...
Yup,I was one of those electricians puttin the meter sockets back up after the ice storm.Did my share of generator hookups too.We used to hook up with the line crews as to what was gonna be done (or was doable)for the day and man was it heartbreaking.People pleading us to help.
Americans aren't known for their patience, it's more a instant gratification. Well mother nature doesn't care!
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Bring it on mother nature. New Yorkers and people from Jersey are tough they can take it. A little wind and some rain won't even phase them.
That's what I keep thinking billy6900. Some people are making it sound like the Russians attacked us. It's just a little wind and rain! And man lived without electricity for a million years btw.
NYers deserve the little Nazi Bloombug. Most of you sh!theads are voting for Obama. That tells us all we need to know about you losers.
@Billy, Bob (that's cute). Talk is cheap and if you have never been in that kind of situation you shouldn't be talking like that. I lived on Cape Cod back in the 50s when Hurricane Mary tore apart the town of Falmouth and we didn't have anything like FEMA to help back than and clean up took for ever not to mention power and neccessities. I have also been stuck for 5 days at the end of a country road by a huge Snow Drift that blocked the road and it took a D-5E Bulldozer and a 5 ton Walters Snowplow to get out. Until you have experienced things for yourself and have been there and done that I wouldn't be saying a word about it. I for one can understand and sypathize with and for these people. You need to get some experience under your belts before running your yaks! A Troll you are and a Troll is all you ever will be til you've walked a mile in these peoples shoes.
Billy I live about 45 mins from the city. Still no power. You are right. There are some temper flareups but mostly a grim determination and a desire to help our neighbors. Jersey shore? Completely gone and lot's of people lost everything 9/11 didn't stop us, neither will the wicked witch Sandy.
We are kicking azz and taking no prisoners!
Wow, Rob, you are a pathetic human being, if that.
bob douglas-1120933
That's what I keep thinking billy6900. Some people are making it sound like the Russians attacked us. It's just a little wind and rain! And man lived without electricity for a million years btw.
You are right Bob, but they didn't have millions of people all crammed up in one place and they had plenty of fire wood to keep them warm. They also didn't depend on food they had in their refrigerators and freezers, or on public transportation to get to work.
Hey Rob, currently being in NJ and heavily affected by this situation, all I can say to you and your politics is to shove it and f yourself. Right now, none of us care about politics, all we care about is trying to get some gas to keep our generators going and hoping that our food will last and we'll be able to stay warm at night. I, as I'm sure many of us here in the affected areas, don't really care about politics right now, but glad you're doing just fine pounding away at that keyboard in your parents basement. Freaking pathetic excuse for a human being is what you are.
I am not an Obama supporter and I want to say that Rob is a dirt bag.
Mike,stay warm man,know what you're goin thru
ya but billy they can freeze to death real fast
The NYC Marathon is on Sunday
Whoever gave generators to heat the tents and decided to have the marathon when so many have nothing right now should be fired period. What a joke not postponing this marathon.
sorry sunday is my football day............guess they will have to run without me....shucks.....
As one poster said on another post,give all those happy ass marathon runners a bag and clean up the mess as your running,now that seems like a great idea.
Marathon was cancelled
5 deleted, Rob-1288580 'you people' trolling New Yorkers and hurricane victims:
You're suspended for a week for violating #1 and #5 of the Code of Honor.
Romney compared the storm and aftermath to cleaning up a stadium after a football game. If you had six mansions, and one of them got destroyed, you still have five!
This is why the guy will never understand the common American, reality or life - he just does not get it.
and way off in the woods a lone loon calls out his political mating call.....will anyone answer?.....probably....
The idiot who will never understand is STARDERUP! If you've ever been at a stadium after a football game you see trash and debree every where. Has nothing to do with electricity. Given that the storm destroyed the electricity and water and sewage is even more devestating. Although Obama never showed up in Iowa after the biggest flooding and devestation in decades, or in New Orleans like a lot of Senators did, or Houston, or someplace where the photo ops weren't significant, these areas went thru the same things. Iowa, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, and many other areas are still working on the storm damage. It is a long and hard road for these people and some idiot trying to politicize it isn't going to help speed it up. Fema money is still tied up for all these areas with red tape. Wake up and smell the flowers!
Hmmmm... NJ turned down NON-Union help!!!! Democraps!!!
Don't you people understand? Romney doesn't need the job and that is why to vote Romney. Romney know how to fix things. Obama has never had a real job, ever and sure if he looses this one, he can still go on the public speaking tour and make millions, but without politics he is nothing and speaking tours don't create jobs, it just benefits him.
Pat G, I hate to dispute your little rant, but President Obama did show up in La after TS Isaac just 2 months ago. As did Romney FWIW. Obama also approved FEMA aid and approved the declaration of a State of Emergency prior to the storm so states could avail themselves of the help they needed. Maybe you want to get off your high horse for a second and quit bringing politics into this.
I really don't understand what people expect from Presidents after natural disasters other than to show compassion which I am pretty sure elected officials from both parties have consistently done and to ensure that the State receive the help they ask for and need. Now if only the voters could set aside their partisanship like the politicians appear to have done... People can criticize Bush all they want for his (in)action after Katrina, but considering the morons from this state he had to deal with (Blanco and Nagin), there's very little doubt in my mind that no matter who was President, the ineptitude would have been the same and the fault of those in THIS state not in Washington DC.
#6.3- obvious anti-union bias in your NOT TRUE posts
FROM: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
These stories are NOT TRUE:
First of all, it's nobody's fault what happened. You can't stop mother-nature and you can't stand in front of your home and hold your arms out and say stop. The people down south go through this year after year and it's up to you to prepare yourself, but it's not anyone's fault if your home gets blown away or washed away. However, the people are right in that this is not a 3rd world country, this is America. If America can rush out money and food to other countries when they have a disaster strike and then the same thing happen here and our government does nothing to help is pretty damn pathetic. People are cold, they need food, water and clothes. Obama showed up for photo op and now where the hell is he-campaigning-he should be instructing on how to help these people, they should be flying in food and water to these people. Really, this country is becoming a 3rd world country and there is no reason for that. Obama's adm. and the people in this country have bashed Bush for Katrina (which was not his fault at all-it was the governor's and the mayor fault), but Bush did a hell of a lot better than Obama has done in handling the situation. There should be shelters set up over there for these people to go to until they get electricity back up. All I can say is that it is very sad that our government can't help it's own people who pay for and own this country, yet it can send money and food overseas for disasters that have nothing to do with us. The people I have heard being interviewed are right-this country is going downhill real fast- this is not America anymore-it's a place of ignorance and chaos. But you keep on campaigning Mr. O, because your agenda to destroy this country has not yet been fulfilled-your standing by watching 4 Americans in Benghazi is only the beginning of what is yet to come to Americans.
Sorry Kanic I disagree totally and this is coming from someone who has been through a bunch of storms. I don't need my President holding hands or acting like the manager and being a control-freak. I expect the President to delegate that and only get involved if there is a need due to some problem that can not be handled between the State officials and the Federal Agencies. That's what LEADERS do.
Let me summarize the major storms I've been through and the actions:
1. Andrew: a total clusterpuck not just in Fl but also in La. In reality the first major storm that FEMA got put to work on. The left hand had no clue what the right hand was doing. Fed and State Agencies knocked heads at all stages.
2. Iniki (Hawaii - Kauai): Words cannot describe the mess this was.
3. Katrina: Local State govt was clueless. Totally inept. What was right? The fact that the Feds had to take the response away from the local businesses and give it to companies based elsewhere. What was wrong? Those companies merely subcontracted the restoration work to local companies and in many cases stiffed them when the bill came due. With all the mark-ups at intermediary levels this probably easily doubled and closer to tripled the actual cost of most repair work. What was further wrong, many of those companies getting the work were politically connected including one company controlled by Jeb Bush. What good came from the storm? All hospitals nationwide got Fed grants for generators. (Of course wtf the NYC hospitals did and put those power supply units in the basement is beyond comprehension as it was against the grant rules and makes me question the site-inspection requirement) The Feds responded correctly in this whole storm. The STATE mishandled it from before the storm hit until years afterwards. You do for example know that La STILL has funds to dole out for people needing funds? I mean really the State agency doesn't comprehend that people/businesses needed those funds in the first year not SEVEN years afterwards???? The Feds also established various points for first response based on where hurricanes made landfall to ensure better coordination of response time (some states since opted out of this).
4. Gustav / Ike: I've lumped these two together because this was basically one long nightmare for some residents around me. Evacuation and preparedness were 100% better compared to Katrina. Aftermath in many cases not so much. Reason? In many of the La Parishes (who wanted to be in charge of their own response and enter into the contracts with the short list of out of state contractors) the ugliness of corruption reared its ugly head. Parish officials struck deals with local businesses to act as go-betweens and the end result in numerous cases has been the total denial by FEMA of reimbursement because of poor record keeping, work performed that was not to fix damage as a result of the storm, duplicate billings, etc. Utility restoration was also a nightmare. Many hadn't even had their power restored by the time Ike knocked many out along the southern part of this State. Personally I was without power for 6 weeks.
5. Isaac. Really only listing it because it happened this year. At a local level everything pretty much worked fine. Evacuations took place. Emergency evacs took place when a lake in MS was expected to have its dam break. Extreme flooding took place in some areas but only because of poor planning by local authorities in allowing construction in many of these areas, e.g. the "private levee" in Plaquemines that created a bowl with nowhere for the water to drain, La Place which was basically swampland where massive amount construction had taken place after Katrina (smart move... err not), Maurepas which had always been an area for camps but some decided they would build at or near water level. Any storm pushing winds to the West over the Lake would inundate these properties. The State pushed for people to go get extra SNAP funds in a thinly veiled attempt to push the expenditure over the dollar mark needed to drop the State's co-pay from 25% to 10%. Thankfully many people were disgusted by Jundal's attempt to push the storm cost up. Considering the area inundated, the number of hospitals evacuated etc, this event showed progress HAS been made regardless of what people think.
Reading the rest of your rant it is pretty obvious to me that you have zero comprehension of the level of preparedness that exists in ALL states. Shelters are in place. All of those shelters are designated beforehand. Hell google even showed them on the map they had created before the storm (and probably still exists).
Your rant also reeks of the desire that the Feds take care of everyone immediately after a storm, yet you seem to be anti-Obama. That makes no sense. Aren't all teapartiers for personal responsibility? People in La are routinely told every year that when a storm is coming you make sure you (a) have enough gas in your vehicle for 7 days and that you should only drive after a storm has passed if you really need to (b) get enough non-perishable food, bottled water, propane for bbq's etc to again last 7-10 days (c) have batteries etc on hand. Obviously those who lose everything cannot feed themselves, however I really doubt anyone is starving at shelters or being turned away.
Storms (or any event) aren't political. The Federal govt can only assist local government officials. If those locals aren't prepared, then the response at a Fed level to assist them will take longer. And that filters further down too. Local officials can best assist those who at least took a modicum of advance preparation.
REALLY??? He was organizing food drives for the people.
Voter...I hear what you went thru is was terrible but through those,being outside down there you did'nt run the risk of freezing to death during it's aftermath.
Rob.........come up here and say that, especially to people who just lost family.
Your candy azz wouldn't last 5 seconds in the Big Apple.
I'm going to say this as nicely as is humanly possible under these circumstances....................
Turn off your computer and STFU!!!!!!!!!!
oh yeah....well my sister can whip you brother anytime..with one arm behind her back no less........
Haha, Scooter, Keep 'em coming. Your one liners always slay me. ROTFL.
TY i try, humor is needed now more then ever.. kinda concerned about one of my standard Friday cohorts though ....TFNJ hasn't been here all week, hope hes alright.......
Scooter, hopefully TFNJ is fine, hopefully he's just out of power like most of us. I luckily have power at my office so I've been able to stay here and get updated on whats going on, but it looks like I won't have power back on at my house until next Friday at best.
Hey Mike..a little tip from an electrician.Before the house goes back on(they might tell you all this down there)shut off all the circuit breakers (or pull the fuses)except for one that does a light thats on all the time.Power crews always have trouble with wicked surges when they kick their fuses in on the poles(or under thestreet)because of the startup surges of all the equipment coming on at once.A lot of the time the fuses'll blow because of that.So to help them out shut off all the breakers except for one that runs a light(so that you know the power's on)Then,when that light comes on turn on all the breakers one at a time.That way yyou save yourself from pwer surges too..
My prayers and hopes are for all who's lives are changed forever. Help will come to you in just a bit; they're working as fast as they can, coming from all parts of the country. As for the Marathon, another example of greed taking control. As for the millions of $$'s raised by this Marathon, ALL should be donated to victims and the rebuilding of their lives. This Marathon definitely needs to be put on hold and shame on those that do not do the right thing.
speaking of prayers did you know;
There are three religious truths:
Our hearts and prayers go out to the people stuck in this anguish. The global freezing trend is now upon us and looks to be excessively opposite global warming period that just past. It will be up to the people to help these citizens out as the political reps are more worried about marathons, campaigns and other more precious wastes of time.
pat,....have you been checking out polar bears "junk " again?
Dude,look...this is the Northeast.For people who've lived up here awhile well,this is what we kind of call normal;not to be self centered or anything but do a quick look of the weather history we have up here.I myself am 46 and have lived thru 3 great n'oreasters 5 hurricanes,several tornadic events(two of I witnessed)My Dad went thru the Great One of '38.Yes,it's awful and no it is not because of the current self-criticizing catastrophe that we've invented to sell books,it is because this is a norrmal event that happens every 25 to 40 years or so.Its just that New England;/Nova Scotia usually are the one that bears the brunt of these storms,this one took a wicked left turn and rammed into you guys down there,and nope you were not prepared for it.These events s***k!!Take our word for it,they do!My heart goes out to you
I just returned from New York. Terrible. Our Federal Government Failed us again. Yet again. They were not prepared. They knew what would happen yet took no action. They could have prepositioned gasoline tankers, generators, supplies et all, yet the did nothing, and people suffer. Shame on you Washington.
wakani-How to you pre-position gasoline tankers before a hurricane? No one knew the extent of the damage that was going to take place. You want to blame the government for a natural disaster? They do not have the resources to give personal attention to everyone. It is unfortunate and I pray for the people that have been effected by this and I will give some money to try and help. This happens with every disaster known to mankind in every place in the world, another sad event!
Wakani, you are so stupid. What was the Federal Gov supposed to do? Sandy was the largest storm to ever hit the US. Also, ask your Republican friends why they have continued to vote for people who have consistently voted against giving any money to fix our infrastructure. The Repubs would rather give our tax money to defense contractors to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan instead of using it to fix our roads, bridges, and other infrastructure. Vote for Obama if you really care about your fellow Americans. Mitt Romney would let them drown and freeze. Remember, he wants to get rid of FEMA and have the states take care of these situations by themselves.
What's really bad is the gov't allowing NJ not to allow NON-UNION help!!!! That is just plain BAD!!!
#10.3- Not true:
FROM: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
These stories are NOT TRUE:
austck - get over it, and stop posting the same comment 100 times in one article. the information you claim has been refuted, so give it a rest.
Wakani, if the government did any of that you'd complain it was a waste of money and another handout to the 47%ers. Come on - behappydontworry has it right - all any government can do about a natural disaster is tell people to evacuate and prepare and then organize cleanup and rebuild infrastructure, which seems to be happening except for Staten Island. What a horrorshow there. My sympathies to all in NY and NJ.
@austik, that was a rumor that no one was even able to verify. As far as I know, anyone who is willing to help here has been welcomed. Go get your political crap out of here, none of us dealing with this situation care about politics at the moment. It's sad that all you care about is politics when people are suffering. How about channeling that energy your wasting by coming here to NJ and helping us recover? Or is that too much actual work for a keyboard cowboy?
My thoughts are that all of the money is giving to other governments and countries may be of better service by using the money to help rebuild after this storm. Giving moneys to people that hate the United States appears to me to be stupid. That is like trying to buy votes. But that is what politicians seem to do.
Be sure all United States citizens are protected, fed and have their immediate needs taken care of first. Then help the rebuilding process begin. Will all of those massive taxes coming into effect in 2013 make people build less or move? There are a lot of issues coming up. I hope everyone is able to be taken good care of. My prayers are with you.
Do you realize that the STATE has to invite the Federal Gov't in before any help can come from the FEDS?? Why didn't the STATE have gas trucks lined up?? Thing is you can't have 50 gas trucks outside the city limits waiting for the storm to pass- you then have 50 truck drivers lives in danger. Things take time. I have to agree with the other poster from the south- during hurricane season we stayed prepared to live for at least 2 weeks on our own. We barely escaped Katrina only to have all our shelters and hotels full of Katrina evacuees when Rita hit.. My small town had an extra 10,000 people here already draining our resources... No power for several weeks and unlike NY Rita left and our temp went back up into the 100s... Dont know which is worse heat or cold... You can always put on more clothes than you can take off.
There's no way you can be any more prepared for one of these than they were.You could have a thousand gasoline tankers full to the brim waiting,but where are you going to get the power to run each and every one of those gas stations.You are'nt.These people are going to freeze.I know,Ive been thru what they;re going through now and its miserable.Weeks and weeks of no power,food goes bad,gas runs out,cant go anywhere,no cell phones or spotty cell service(at least we had live landlines a lot of the time)
This will probably fall on deaf ears (those w/ no comp/phone) but please people; Don't kill yourselves with generators or charcoal fires inside your house. YOU WILL DIE! As a firefighter/medic I have seen the lifeless bodies who just went to sleep...forever. You know, this sh*t is hard on emergency people also. Bye, be safe and please pass this on somehow.
hear you Nam.I always tell people NOT to run your generators anywhere near the house.10 feet away from the house is the rule and I make my generator cords longer than that for that reason.
Thanks Nam. My neighbor put his generator right outside my window. I asked him to move it and he refused saying it wasn't bothering me! I closed the window tight and thank God I'm still here.
You know a year or so ago a storm named Irene hit New England and literally wiped out half of Vermont . Towns were completely cutoff when roads and bridges were washed away, Highways like route 7 were non existent anymore, power was out, some towns needed to have food flown in to them.
Did you hear an angry word one out of the folks of Vermont??? Hell no! they rolled up their sleeves and went to work. Volunteers rolled in from everywhere, temporary foot bridges were built across rivers by common town folks rather than wait for help to arrive.
These folks didn't wait for someone else "to do something" they grabbed the bull by the horns and did it.
This picture of 2 men about to fight over a place in a gas line is disgusting .Fighting each other will get you no where. Roll up your sleeves and help the recovery folks and most importantly yourselves.
Then count your blessings this was a category 1 storm, if it had been a 4-5 you would be back to the dark ages.
I think the anger and frustration of the people here is more due to panic and surprise. There is no gas and people need to commute to work because believe it or not people are expected at work now. How can people go to work if the subways are limited and the buses? Did you know you can't ride into Manhattan unless you pick up 3 people that's mandatory and if you have to drive 3 different people to 3 different locations your car is going to need gas and guess what? There is No Gas. It is ridiculous how people are fighting each other but its mostly out of panic I'm sure on a normal day you wouldn't see fights on a line for gas would you? When disaster hits we all help each other. That is something they have shown on the news here as well. As for people helping clean up - there are people who are volunteering and helping to clean up. They even showed it on the news here as well.
NJ turned down NON-UNION help...
ah yes....the good ol days ..back when Barney Fred and i use to car pool....i sure miss em.....although i must admit its easier on my feet.
#12.2- obvious anti-union bias in your NOT TRUE posts
FROM: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
These stories are NOT TRUE:
rick - why does it have to be a comparison - "we had it worse, waahh." It's a shame any and every time a natural disaster casues damage and claims the lives of people. While Irene did not damage NY/NJ as much, we were still hit with flooding, downed trees, and power lines. If you really want to compare, Sandy is the largest hurricane, so technically bigger than Irene. Plus, I think it might also be because no one cares about VT, is that it? Woe is me.
This is just normal human behavior....disasters just bring it out into the open...
All I hope is that people learn some serious lessons from this...And yes..this is where your famed oil based economy gets you...nowhere fast.This is the very reason we need to develop alternate ways to power ourselves and get around.This is what Obama was talking about.You all are helpless without gasoline or heating oil.Let that sink in reeeal good.I bet it is by now.Electricity can be made..and relatively simply these days. A little solar panel and some sun can power your smartphone.
A guy on Alex Jones was saying how the path of Sandy was controlled by the government. This new potential storm could be a bid to disrupt the elections.
We can send Alex Jones some tin foil if you wish!
Yea,it's all those alternate energy windmills in Denmark srewing up the North Atlantic Oscillation..yea thaaaats it..Shuuuureee,.,
ya,real good timing.Its supposed to hit on Wednesday
Yep, Obama gonne lose New York 'cause of it. Them dudes that would have voted for Obama now be out looting and stealing, no time to vote.
wakani, now you have just shown what you really are, a biggoted DA!
So, in one breath you complain about the Federal Government NOT doing enough and then you turn around and show us you are a Republican. ?????? Troll much??????
Behappydont worry:
Aren't you the one being a troll? How did Wakani show "you" they were a republican?This person could also be a independent or a fed-up democrat who does not like the Candidate for the Democratic Party. The ASSUMED alot with that statement and we all know what happens whne you ASSUME something!!
Bloomberg supported Obama yesterday. And God said "Didn't you understand my first message? Well, I'll tell you one more time".
Good thing our wonderful president is keeping things so well prepared. FUBO
Make sure you tell ALL how some New Jersey towns sent away non-union electric workers from out of town. I would leave them to last or until the hang the union leaders in the middle of town without clothes.
Frank Furman... THANK YOU!! someone who is looking at this from a practical side!!! NON-union or union democrap... it shouldn't matter if you don't have electricity & are freezing!!!!
Forgive my ignorance. Apparently I missed that part of the news. Why did NJ send away non-union workers? Did they say?
your forgiven...now go forth and sin no more............
#17-NOT True
FROM: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
These stories are NOT TRUE:
FZknew is absolutely correct - this was a false story a newscast in Alabama reported. Google the updated story, and you will find that we did NOT turn away non-union aid. The non-union aid ended up in VA anyway, and the other Alabama aid was unionized, so get your stories straight.
It's too bad that never actually happened and was an unsubstantiated rumor.
I'm sure there could be miss-communication on both sides, but I can assure you that this story is not false. I live near Decatur, AL and actually know someone on one of those crews. The Decatur crews have been working their way up the east coast all week and had just finished working in Virginia when this happened.
Quite a few power crews were gathered together in Virginia and were being given instructions about what was needed and where to go from there. (This not unusual and often happens when out-of-state crews help out in times of need.) The crews were all given information and had to supply certain information as well. This is when they were told they would have to "affiliate" with the IBEW, since they were not already unionized. Given that the Decatur crews were not going the "affiliate" they contacted their office and were told to wait for further instructions while they tried to sort everything out.
While they were waiting to hear back, the guys on the ground spent their time trying to find somewhere else that needed additional crews (contrary to popular believe you can have too many crews in one area). After over most of a day was spent trying to find a new location without any luck, the Decatur office told their crews to pack it up and head home.
These guys were disappointed because they wanted to give back after all the additional help they received here in Alabama after the April 27, 2011 tornadoes that ravaged our area. At least they were able to help out some of the communities from Georgia to Virginia that helped them.
And where's Mr. President? Off on the campaign trail now that he's "fixed" everything on the East Coast. I have empathy for everyone on the East Coast, now you kind of know what the four Americans in Benghazi must have felt like when Obama was off campaigning, in Vegas, when THEY needed help as well. Obama wasn't much of a "Vegas" fan back in 2008 was he?
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Gas lines... anxiety... bad attitudes... really, are you all going to sit in the front door with your many assault weapons next... take a pill children... the water will recede, and the gas trucks will return... Jeez... I'm seeing out town come back. The traffic lights are syncing, streets are opening. Town officials are getting things done. Where's the President? off handling his business. What do want from the man... Some of you really need to kill yourselves.
Hey i think i know her....!!..........
Hey i think i know her....!!..........
LOL, you are are a roll today.
Yup, Scooter's working on a Guiness record.
Scooter, hope your NJ compadre is safe, but if he's from the south shore area..............it ain't there anymore. No fatalities reported , but it's going to be months before telecommunications are back up.
I'm on the NY/NJ border and that's bad enough. All we lost is power. Have friends on the Delaware shore and no communication.
Speaking of the Jersey Shore, what can you do with this?
Snooki and JWow walk into a bar...........................
Obama can win this election without having to fly everywhere to campaign saving jet fuel and time.
All he has to do is to provide news feed to the TV stations from his desk.
Say these things:
1. If they can put power, water, and telecommunication in the desert during operation desert storm, they can do the same in NY after Sandy.
2. Put 45 foot trailers of power generators every 2nd block in towns without power.
3. Put gas tanker trucks in every town and have soldiers pump gas from the trucks into red gas buckets for the people who need it.
4. Confiscate all the red gas buckets, blankets, 4-hour-fire-logs, etc. from Wal-Mart, give it to the people who need it and let the Chinese complain.
5. Set up satellite communications in every town without cell phone and internet service so the people can be informed.
6. Say this: our soldiers are trained to kill problems, not people. Send a hundred thousand soldiers in to help clean up, save life, keep peace and rebuild.
Sure this will cost less than a war in the middle east or Afghanistan or Vietnam or the China seas. Sure he will win this election if he will direct this operation on national TV and let the people see what he is actually doing instead of just talk. Americans are wise people. They know how to choose wisely.
See this is my largest issue... NJ refused to let non-union electricians help out. This is where the axe needs to fall!!! I can't feel sorry for these people!!!
#20.1 Obvious anti-union bias in your NOT TRUE posts
FROM: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
These stories are NOT TRUE:
Neighborhood Associations should be sued out of existence for letting the home owners let their property fall into such disgusting shape. ←SARCASM
as well as the street department, and who is in charge of the streetlights?
...they want power restored, but only if it's restored by the RIGHT people!
'No Red Tape'? New Jersey Turns Away Nonunion Relief Crews
How desperate is hurricane-ravaged New Jersey? Not desperate enough to suspend a union monopoly that keeps the state in the bottom ten states for economic competitiveness (and #48 for business friendliness). Relief crews from Alabama who were specifically called to New Jersey found themselves diverted to Long Island, NY after they arrived because they use non-union labor.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/02/New-Jersey-Turns-Away-Nonunion-Relief-Crews
#22- NOT TRUE
FROM: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/non-union_utility_crews_welcom.html
These stories are NOT TRUE:
I'm sure there could be miss-communication on both sides, but I can assure you that this story is not false. I live near Decatur, AL and actually know someone on one of those crews. The Decatur crews have been working their way up the east coast all week and had just finished working in Virginia when this happened.
Quite a few power crews were gathered together in Virginia and were being given instructions about what was needed and where to go from there. (This not unusual and often happens when out-of-state crews help out in times of need.) The crews were all given information and had to supply certain information as well. This is when they were told they would have to "affiliate" with the IBEW, since they were not already unionized. Given that the Decatur crews were not going the "affiliate" they contacted their office and were told to wait for further instructions while they tried to sort everything out.
While they were waiting to hear back, the guys on the ground spent their time trying to find somewhere else that needed additional crews (contrary to popular believe you can have too many crews in one area). After over most of a day was spent trying to find a new location without any luck, the Decatur office told their crews to pack it up and head home.
These guys were disappointed because they wanted to give back after all the additional help they received here in Alabama after the April 27, 2011 tornadoes that ravaged our area. At least they were able to help out some of the communities from Georgia to Virginia that helped them.
A world overwhelmed with chaos is sure to bring anarchy.
Chaos you say? no problem...we will put our best agent on it.....Hey Maxwell leave 99 alone and get your shoe phone there's work to be done.
Chaos maybe, but anarchy no...Not as long as my neighbors and I all have lots of guns.
NEW Orleans, NEW York, NEW Jersey ??
Quit naming cities NEW?
Oh my... where to start? Why did this get 2 votes? New Jersey is not a city. While New York City is a city, it was named after New York, which is also a state...................
Last I checked, New Jersey and New York are states...
Actually, there is a place called Jersey City in the state of New Jersey; kind of like their NYC.
God forbid a CAT 5 ever hits.
Cat 5......yep thats allot of litter box's alright.
While low-lying areas and buildings at the shore have been devastated with no real way to save them in advance, I am inclined to believe most of the damage in-land was preventable. Wires on poles have certain needs. No tree should be within at least 20 feet of them. Likewise, I know we like our pretty, tree-lined roads, but trees should not be within at least 20 feet of roads either, unless we want to go through theis exercise EVERY time a sbig storm blows through. This is not just a nature problem; it is a planning problem. And now, due to not planning, and learning from last year's big storm, we are repeating this huge clean-up and re-wiring.
Aesthetics are so nice, but we simply can't afford all these trees falling on our wires and roads. What does everybody think? (I say have all the trees you want, but place them responsibly.)
We learned from our ice storm up here in NH.It seems to have paid off.We did'nt even have a flicker at my house though 250,000 or so went without power east of me where work was not done.No you cannot bury all the lines(not at $15 million a mile!)up here it would be impossible.Now branches have to be 10 feet away on either side of the cross bar of the pole and it seems to have worked.Funny looking trees dot the roadside landscape(or none at all)but if that is what keeps the power on thats what you do.Yes we also had problems with tree roots ripping the roads up too as they went over.Sadly we lost 35 people in that ice storm,most froze to death at home,so yes we learned.
observer, I as well as many others in NJ live in an area where alll our wires are under ground. I lost power until today - that was 4 days, not because of flood ing but because of the strong winds. NJ usually doesn't get a direct hit from a hurricane coming on shore this far north. I've never heard such wind before. What blew our power wasn't the trees falling although there were plenty, but the wind knocked out transformers. We're dealing with new weather patterns that probably need new planning.