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Subscribe to RSSA teacher at Palo Alto Middle School in Killeen, Texas, has been placed on paid leave while the Killeen Independent School District reviews a report that he taped a student’s mouth shut, according to The Associated Press.
Enesto Ortiz claims his 11-year-old son had three pieces of duct tape put on his mouth by teacher Clarence Williams, according to the AP. The incident allegedly happened Oct. 23.
The boy’s mouth, Ortiz says, became swollen and some skin came off when the tape was removed. A school nurse had to help remove the duct tape, AP reported.
The tape was left over the student’s mouth for 45 minutes, Ortiz claims.
AP’s request for details on what prompted the alleged incident went unanswered by school officials.
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This story doesn't deserve space without a word from the teacher or administration. Perhaps the kid simply wouldn't shut up when asked multiple times. Perhaps he was disrupting the class. Perhaps he has been sent to the pricipals office so many times they told him not to send him again. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
I was thinking the same thing Saddlebum. Parents today are SO touchy about their little devil darlings and teachers have no way to control the class anymore.
Sorry, but taping someone's mouth shut isn't okay. Blast me all you want, but no one better put duct tape over my kid's mouth. Umm. No. maybe he was a pain and maybe this or that, but duct tape isn't okay. Send him out of class if you have to, but don't tape his mouth shut. And no, my kids aren't brats and I'm not soft on kids. But there are other ways.
Ok Saddleburn, when your kid comes home and says the teacher put duct tape over his mouth for 45 minutes - what are you going to do. Or even worse, you get a call from the school says that your child was taken to the hospital because they quit breathing because the teacher put duct tape over mouth and they had an allergic reaction or they couldn't breathe.
Think about that and see how you would feel.
I was a "talker" in school, and, I too, had my mouth taped shut once. I undoubtedly had it coming. I don't remember what kind of tape it was. Three pieces of duct tape sounds like over-kill, however.
Welp, that's one way to get them to shut up. lol
Ask yourself this question: Why would anyone be pushed/fed-up enough to put tape over a child's mouth if that child is isn't doing anything wrong? There has to be a reason why the teacher would put their job/livelihood into jeopardy. And it's not because the child was being an angel.
There are way too many of these type of incidents between teachers and children. Maybe a bit of "home-upbringing" could have avoided the whole situation.
And what the frill is this paid leave? Screw the teacher, screw the union (if they support them)! "Reviews a report?" C'mon, there's overwhelming evidence. Fire him (or at least put him on UNpaid leave).
I was a perfect little angel when I was in school. I even had the halo (held up by my horns) to prove it.
saddlebum -
Provocation doesn't matter. Unacceptable behavior for a teacher to tape a student's mouth,
Aminah-3802663
Ummm okay..............If my kids had tape on their mouth............they be in more trouble with me for disrespecting their teacher. As for the not breathing part...........you need to get real.
You need to read better punisher... this child did complain about problems breathing because one of the pieces put on him did go up to/around/over his nose...
Not to mention some people are allergic to adhesives, potentially life threatening allergies.
Duct tape is not meant to be applied to human skin.
this "teacher" made a very bad choice and needs to find another field to work in.
I'm sure this isn't news in Texas... they not only duct tape kids mouths shut but also have grown men administrators spank teenage girls on the ass. Backward place... child abuse is part of the culture.
It is interesting how brave people, including some teachers and parents, can be when dealing with a small child. It really takes courage to abuse a child. And there is no real difference between someone like Sandusky and a teacher who would abuse a child. Something is just broken in their brains.
And likewise for thoose who support child abusers --- grow a set of cojones and leave the kids alone!
Actually punisher the biggest hazard from a taped over mouth is puking. Student could drown in his own barf before they got the tape off.
Given the sensitive parents today who also have to have their kids participate in sports where we "all win" and nobody comes in first, I don't think mouth taping is the answer.
The principles should have quick authority to EXPEL your rotten undiciplined children so YOU can baby sit them all day. This teacher was actually easy on the brat, just write them up and send them home next time.
I remember that teachers back in the 50s and 60s would use masking tape over the mouths of the kids who just would not shut up even after being told several times. Not that I remember exactly how long it was left on, but probably not for 45 minutes. Duct tape has a pretty aggressive adhesive which makes it unacceptable to put it on a child's more tender skin, or anyone's skin for that matter.
There are other solutions, however. The teacher could have removed said talkative child to another spot, say by the teacher's desk or at least away from whoever the talker was talking to. That worked for the kids, too. Being told to bring their chair up to the front of the classroom and sitting there was pretty embarrassing. Of course, that depends on what sort of chairs the kids sit in now. Gee, they might have to stand there instead of sitting.
Genenut - duct tape is not meant for skin
Really??? Works wonders for my clevage. :)
Reread it!
"AP’s request for details on what prompted the alleged incident went unanswered by school officials."
So you think that if the school officials refuse to discuss it, its not news? That would be a good way to avoid having criminal acts unadvertised, no comment, so you can't publish it?
lisa, do they go down to your knee caps when you take off the duct tape?? Just curious.
Who did this to you?...mmmmmmmmmmmmm
Speak up son don't be scare.....mmmmmmmmmm
Ok, have it your way......mmmmmmmmmmmm
Good! Send me the teacher's address and I'll send him a coupon for more duct tape. Or, maybe $5 for his defense fund.
Ho Lee Chit !
Remember, also, that we have only this kid's word that the teacher did it. Quite right for the school district to investigate.
My husband once foolishly left a roll of duct tape within reach of his classroom (can't remember why he had it, at the moment), and then turned to write on the chalkboard. Within moments, the kids had managed to put the tape on someone's mouth. We're talking teenagers here, not little children. They do this stuff to THEMSELVES! 0_o;
Then, of course, the kid ripped it off his own face, and complained about the pain... :p
"You need to read better punisher... this child did complain about problems breathing because one of the pieces put on him did go up to/around/over his nose..."
Really? The article never said he stopped breathing now did it? Simply put the kid was disrespectful and a complainer to boot. If you are allergic to adhesives you should be living in a bubble. This teacher is doing what this kid's parents wont do. Teach him some manners.
And here my daughter's teachers complain that she never speaks up during class!
No excuse or justification for this teacher and his actions. Period.
Teacher should have his entire groin area duct taped and then after a couple of hours to let the adhesive set..pull it off....F-A-S-T !
My guess is that those of us in California if we listen to the east will be able to hear the scream....
Where are people getting that the kid had trouble breathing, I see no mention of it in the article. Did they change the article or is this just conjecture by some people. I do think that using duct tape was a little extreme simply because of the strong adhesive, the teacher should have used masking tape instead ;-) It has gotten to the point where teachers have absolutely nothing at their disposal to control their classrooms. They send the kid the the principals office and the kid gets sent right back when the parents start complaining about the kid missing out on classwork. The parents do nothing to teach their kids proper respect and manners and then turn them loose on society. When someone does dare to try and do something about their brat's out of control behavior the parents sue, seeing a chance at some easy money, instead of addressing the problems with their kid. I have even heard kids taunt people in authority with lines like "if you touch me my parents will sue you." These kids know that their parents will not do anything and that they can get away with murder. The only option left is the extreme one of throwing the little brats out of the school system entirely. That, however, usually leads to lawsuits which costs the school systems millions of dollars so they do not like to go to that extreme. Suspensions do not work because the kid just sees it as some extra days they do not have to go to school. This is because the parents do not treat the suspension like a punishment and keep the kid in their room with no toys/computer/TV/etc., they simply let them run amok for the days they are suspended. This leads the kids to act out even more in school because they see a suspension as a plus not a negative and will actually try and get suspended. Something needs to be done to allow teachers a way to control their classrooms so that the kids who want to learn are not short changed because of the out of control monsters. I do not support teachers spanking kids as this would quickly get out of hand and degenerate into abuse. However, teachers need to have something more than the threat of sending a kid to the principals office to control their class. With too many kids this is not a negative since their parents do not care. Maybe if the schools started forcing parents to immediately come to the school to get the kid and take them home for the rest of the day the inconvenience to the parents would get them to start to care. Maybe if mom or dad had to continually interrupt their day or take time off from work because their kid was acting up it would get them to do something about their out of control brats. To simply send them to the principal's office to be talked to and maybe have their parents called with a report does not work with many of these kids.
only the kid's word? says a nurse had to help remove it. and no, not ok. note the dad who is facing criminal charges (some dropped, some remain) after putting painter's tape (hardly the same stuff) briefly on his toddler as a joke. anyway, you want to create brutal kids who have no respect for others? do what this teacher did.
I have three kids who are now adults. When they were young they learned what no meant by the time they were one. I have heard some of the mouths on kids today, and I don't blame the teacher one bit. After all, who will be blamed when the rest of the kids can't learn.
Okay, taping a kid's mouth shut is wrong, but I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to tape my kids' mouths shut when they were bickering in the back seat! It's a major distraction, after all. I feel sorry for the teachers trying to control difficult kids. Maybe a sound-muffling mask would be more humane....
I can remember Elementary School and being told to go stand outside. Of course the classroom had windows down the whole side so the teacher could see you. It also had a large metal pole which I pounded on with a rock. Heck of an echo in the classroom. Oh, and heck of a punishment when my mom received a call from the school.
They were found bound and gagged in the broom closet!
These stupid Mexican stories are hilarious!!
Some children don't belong in the general population of schools. Not saying the taping was right, but the first thing that gets cut, is school budgets. Special children need special programs. Republicans need special Doctors and meds for NPD, raise taxes to help or get a bunch of old guys together to sing songs. Surprised the kid didn't get charged with stealing the tape.
I can see WANTING to tape a kid's mouth shut, but putting tape on a kid's mouth that could affect their breathing (not all kids breathe well through their noses-some have sinus problems, allergies, etc), that could cause allergy problems from the adhesive itself leading to swelling, or that could actually pull off some of the skin when it is removed because the adhesive is so strong is inappropriate. A teacher should not do something to a kid that could potentially hurt him or her like duct tape could. Discipline can be meted out without actually injuring a kid-if a teacher can't figure out how to discipline without causing potential injury, then they have no business being a teacher.
Silence is golden, duct tape is silver.
LMAO that the nurse had to help take the tape off. Really??? Put your big girl panties on little boy.
you are disgusting! Do you have kids?
Have you ever seen what happens when a strong adhesive bonds to skin, especially the sensitive skin of the face? Duct tape can rip the skin right off your face. It's serious, not a joke.
Also, as others have mentioned, any time you prevent the mouth from opening you put someone at risk for death -- people with asthma, for example, often need to gulp air to get enough into their lungs, sinus congestion due to colds or allergies can also make breathing through the nose impossible, and you can drown on your own vomit if you throw-up (which is quite likely if a small child is panicking).
I hope you don't have children.
tess8629
I love my kids, and I'll be the first to defend them to death. But sounds like you let your kids run wild and cuddle them way too much. I feel sorry for your kids, when they have to face real adversity in life.
krullulon
So basically putting all the medical conditions that exists aside, you're teaching your kids to be wussies. Well your prerogative I guess.
Yeah, I gotta agree that a child that is raised to become so docile, so emasculated, so pathetically weak that it can't even take a piece of tape off its own skin - to me, that form of parenting is more abusive than what the teacher did.
This is what happens when you breast feed a child in middle school...
The glue on duct tape is strong than most tape. Many people are allergic to it. It's very dangerous to put it on skin. And yes, it can tear skin, especially on the lips.
Maybe the kid should have had his mouth taped shut. Don't worry, he'll be alright. Duct tape isn't fatal.
Yes, Super Glue would have been a lot worse.
Not that I ever would have done this, but I have to admit... it was always one of my fantasies to slap tape over the mouths of some students who were CONSTANTLY talking in class! My bad...
While I agree the kid should have kept his mouth shut.... there are other ways to punish... oh wait... punishment isn't allowed and the kids are allowed to run rampant, back talk, abuse and ignore the teachers with impunity...while mommy and daddy pound their chests about how great their little darlings are....or worse......... "he/she's just expressing himself/herself."
BUT.... tape, latex and adhesive allergies are real and could cause shock and other reactions... hence the reason your doctor, hospital and clinic have paper tape, silk tape, plastic tape and NO Latex tape... or Latex gloves......
Sounds like he had it coming............
If the boy had panicked and vomited, the consequences could have been serious. I agree children need discipline, but the teacher should have used common sense.
So the criteria would be whether or not the punishment is fatal? I'd hate to be in your classroom! Duct tape could actually injure a kid by interfering with their breathing (some kids can't breathe well through their noses due to sinus problem or allergies), due to allergic reactions to the adhesive itself, or due to the skin being pulled off when the tape is removed-not to mention the consequences if the kid threw up as others have mentioned, he or she could aspirate, or breathe in the vomit and die (in which case it actually would be fatal). If a teacher can't maintain discipline without having to do something that could easily potentially injure a kid, then that teacher has no business in a classroom, in my opinion. Surely there are other ways to maintain order!
When I was in grade school, way back in the stone age days, it was not uncommon to tape a kids mouth shut. Nobody thought anything of it. Today it's national news. My how times have changed
Wow, they had duct tape back then? :)
Back in the day when i was in grade school, there was corporal punishment, but no teacher at any school i went to would put tape over someone's mouth. My mother wouldn't have stood for it.
That teacher may have misinterpreted the fact that Texas law allows corporate punishment in schools.
corporal punishment
I'm all for corporate punishment, if they've been bad.
Punish dem damn corporations
Punishment was very popular thru the 50's in schools, and when you got home you got it again. Three Uncles and my grand-dad USMC drill instructor's. I was ready for boot before I was 14. Didn't help be being obedient but it did make life easier.
After all..Myth Robme says "corporations are people"....
Why do idiot liberals like allen above always have to make crap political?
If that's the worst thing that happens to this kid in his life, he and his parents should count themselves lucky. While we don't know all the facts, my guess is the kid's mouth is going to get him into trouble again, and it won't be duct tape that injures him the next time. To the parents, let your mouthy kid learn a lesson here that might serve him well later in life.
bravo i dare say. i bet the kid is not the brightest fruit in the basket too... no harm done here, move along boys
Poor little tyke, the duct tape probably pulled out his mustachec? In Texas, he probably could have had his rear whipped! I am quite tired of tthe "poor little me" crap! Some children that young have a really nasty mouth on them. They learned it from Mom maybe.
I'm sure the teacher had a very good reason to do so....
A lot of today's kids act like brats when they are out of their parent's view.
Bravo for the teacher!
@ray
it doesn't matter what reason the teacher had. That is a line u don't cross. U don't tape children's mouths or tie them up.
The student probably asked his teacher for a lesson on evolution.
Ummm, no. Nice try.
Fat Tony,
Poor taste but sorry Matt pretty funny.
I'm guessing the people who didn't get the joke are not familiar with what Texas thinks is science.
I hope none of you jackarses defending the actions of this "teacher" have children.
There are plenty of ways to discipline children. Duct tape over the mouth by a teacher is NOT one of them.
The fact that the nurse did have to help remove the tape just further proves this was not the way to handle WHATEVER was going on.
Its time for this "teacher" to leave the profession.
I hope you don't have any children either with the name calling what kind of example could you be?
It's obvious that Genenut has never had to spend a day on the teacher's side of the classroom.
Tape Ernesto's mouth shut, too! The little bastard should have shut the hell up. They did not put duct tape on his mouth because he was behaving.............
I am on the teachers side on this one! As an educator myself these students are quick to mouth off and just do not shut up. We need to go back to a time when school whoopings where the norm!! I got spanked in school and turned out just fine. Kudos to this fellow educator!!
As an educator yourself, I'm sure you know that this behavior by the teacher is anacceptable, has already got him placed on administrative leave and may get him fired.
How do we know you turned out fine? From the sounds of it, you turned out pretty pro-violence. Not everyone would consider that "fine."
If you are an educator, be sure to forward this post to your supervisor for comment. Or is part of being "fine" being a coward who is brave only when anonymously posting?
Well, no, you did not turn out just fine, based on your post. And typically teachers who conduct themselves this way have a lot more problems they get away with before they pull crap they can't shove under the rug.
Smart mouthed kids learn their ways at home. Instead of blaming the teacher for something he did probably in desperation, blame the parents for letting their kid think it's ok to backtalk a teacher. I am a retired pre-school teacher and 4 and 5 year olds tell the teacher "my daddy said I don't have to do what you say if I don't want to." This kid who got his mouth taped probably deserved it. It's a real shame the teacher could lose his job for it.
@disgusted
U are lucky u didn't try this yourself since u approve of it. It's folks like u that i wish a personality test can be done to determine if the educator is of a sound mind.
I am quite impressed... noone complaining about the injustice to the child.
Good to know all the bleeding hearts are too busy watching thier day-time soaps and dramas still.
:)
When I was in 5th grade there was one kid who thought he could get away with anything. Mouthed off to the teacher, threw a book at him too. The teacher put him in the hallway to cool off. Out there he kept "Acting out" as they call it today. The teacher went out, grabbed him by the collar and picked him up off the floor. After banging the kid against the lockers a few times he was let back into the classroom. (Yes, I saw it because I was called out of class for a club meeting) The kid was still a punk all the way through high school, but never in the classroom.
Can't do that these days because the poor kid would have his ego crushed for the rest of his life and turn into a serial killer, wouldn't he.
I am not into bratty kids at all, but there is a difference between injuring a kid and disciplining him. One of my friends had the most spoiled brat of a kid I have ever seen, and it was absolutely miserable to be around her-but you didn't have to wail on her to get her to straighten up. In that particular case, I found that simply ignoring the bratty behavior and strongly reinforcing appropriate behavior with lots of attention worked wonders. Poor kid was apparently dying for that type of attention. I didn't do it that way because I was scared of crushing her ego; I did it that way because it was easy and it worked. Obviously, it wouldn't be that simple in a classroom; but I'm just making the point that you don't always have to beat brattiness out of a kid. Sometimes there are other ways of reaching them.
Very happy this educator did this students need to learn some respect. When I grew up it was okay to punish children who misbehave! Now you can't do anything to these disrespectful children. Luckily this child doesn't live in china where they still allow educators to punish misbehaved children.
Anyone who thinks this is a good thing should never be in the education/child development/parenting field at all.
If the kid was talking so much the teacher felt the need to tape their mouth shut (and risking their job in the process) then the child's parents shouldn't be in the 'parenting field'.
We are no longer allowed to discipline children without fear of reprisal. Kids know this and use it against us.
We don't know all the fact and details, so none of us can say if this was appropriate or totally absurd without really knowing the situation. I can't imagine behavior bad enough to justify this action, and if it was my kid, I'd likely think it was pretty absurd, and that the teacher had no business laying a hand on my kid.
HOWEVER, what Gabriel says is correct - kids know that adults (including parents, teachers & even cops) have their hands tied. We tell them that there are no consequences to their actions, and no repercussions to their behavior. We are raising a generation of kids with no respect for authority.
I'm not saying that was the issue here necessarily - we really know none of the facts at this point.
I'm with Leslie. I can't see how this would ever be okay-how putting on tape that took off part of the kids skin as it was being removed would ever be justified. That's actually or potentially causing injury to the kid. Disciplining is one thing, and I certainly believe in discipline-even strict discipline-but I don't think it's ever okay to injure the kid. To me that crosses the line into abuse. Surely there is a better way to discipline this kid and get the point across firmly without injuring him. You can have consequences without actually hurting someone-you just have to be more creative.
That's one of the problems I think people have today-a lack of creativity. Either they don't discipline at all or they only have a few tools to draw from (and they probably only work part of the time.) So either they give up or they become infuriated and cross over into abusive behavior. And I have to wonder if this is what is happening with so many of these teachers. They have their hands tied so much with what they are allowed to do with students and consequences that eventually they sort of snap and cross the line and actually become abusive.
This happened to me in 1964. I turned out alright. And I still talk too much!
Which proves this is not the correct way to handle it. It doesn't work and is against most states laws not to mention the potential for abuse and harm to the students.
Meemaw -
In case you haven't noticed, it's not 1964 anymore.
It happened to me in the early 90s. My parents just laughed at me and said that if I wasn't talking in class, maybe my mouth wouldn't have gotten taped shut. I can't believe the kid's parents are raising cain about this.
Oh yeah.....and I am sure he was being a smart alec kid too. Well deserved I'm sure....
Congratulations to the teacher! The kid was most definitely not punished as a reward. We have "dumbed down" our educational system to the point where we are no longer the world's leader in education. Too many school boards worry about traumatizing the little dears - so instead we turn out many functional illiterates who can't read, do simple math, or express themselves intelligently. Then, the parents want to sue the schools because their little angel can't find a job because he/she has no marketable skills.
Get with it, people - life isn't a bowl of cherries - nobody is going to give you everything you want (well, maybe they will, if the government keeps on its present path). Anyway - we need to toughen up our educational standards, academically, socially, and behaviorally, if we are going to regain our spot as the world's leader.
If you don't want your kid to have his/her mouth taped shut, tell him/her to keep it shut when he/she is supposed to.
And yes, I am a parent - with two VERY successful children, one of whom has a PhD. They both got lots of discipline, and lots of love. Try working with your kids, and setting goals and standards for them, instead of letting boss you (and everyone else) around.
And ripping the skin off a kid's mouth with duct tape is going to improve their education standards how? You do realize that this is what kidnappers do to their victims, right? And it leaves marks that can be seen afterwards?
"Texas teacher reportedly duct taped student's mouth shut"
Yeah, so whats the problem?
When I lived in Texas, corpral punishment was the norm...teacher cracked your nuckles using rulers with taped ends, PE coach smacking you around like a step child, the principle with the "Equalizer" paddle. So taping the mouth is humane in comparison. Look how the world has gone wimpy!!!
RFFN!!!
I hope some classes still have chalk boards. Was always entertaining when the teacher would throw an eraser at a student and see a big cloud of dust :)
stand still while I throw things at you ... hmm dont like it do you?
why should a teacher get to do it to your child?
what if they miss and hit the innocent kid doing thier work next to the one they were aiming for?
Its not entertaining, its abuse and rightfully outlawed in the classroom now.
I got hit by an eraser by accident, she appologized, and threw another at the kid. I thought it was fun in 2nd grade. My 2nd grade teacher did a few extreme things I won't post on here that I didn't and still don't agree with.
They should put the discipline back into the hands of the school principal. We feared, yet loved and respected our principals. They were fair, but if you were being a jerk, you got your butt whacked with the board, firm but not too hard. They have no repercussions at school anymore. It's out of control to where the teachers can hardly teach anymore. The tape wasn't right, it should have been handled differently. (With a board by the principal) And the principal should have the control to not beat the way out of kids, but be sensible.
All of you who believe this teacher did the right thing are crazy. We don't know the whole story so there is no room for judgement on either side. I am all for discipline. I believe that in this "new parenting" society that children get away all to often with bad behavior. But this borders on abuse in my opinion, it is not the kind of punishment I would have used on my children. (They were disciplined and I have had many compliments on them even to this day.. 34 years later) Maybe the teacher could have called in someone for assistance or send the boy to the office. I was schooled by the nuns and they would smack us on the knuckles with a ruler and that was enough to make us stay in line. Nowadays, when teachers are upset or impatient and go too far with the discipline that is a different story. The child usually gets away with the bad behavior and the teacher gets the discipline. The child learns that "hey, I got away with that" and continues on his/her path. I just hope this turns out alright.
this is far from abuse. I grew up in the 70s I know what I am talking about. If the kid had this done, his parents are probably have lame parenting skills. THe nuns smacked you. How is taping a kids mouth any different?
So, Tess, you say this borders on abuse but don't suggest any alternatives. The nuns in your school physically hit you, yet you (by your own claims) did a good job raising your own children. How, exactly, is taping a child's mouth shut worse than smacking them with a ruler?
As was mentioned, the child probably had a reaction to the adhesive in the tape. It happens. The ONLY thing I think should have changed here is perhaps an anti-allergic tape should have been used, but that would require the school district to openly approve of the teacher's actions.
I almost hate to say this but the kid most likely deserved what happened to him, for a teacher to go to such extremes with a child these days it should show everyone what they have to deal with everyday!
I hope the teacher doesn't lose there job because of this and the truth comes out as to what actually happened and what the child said to get their mouth taped shut.
The way the children of today show respect for anyone surprises me that there isn't more of this or worse happening everywhere. Oh wait maybe that's one of the reasons there is so many crimes, murders, etc stories all over the news. I Wonder when it will ever stop? Really!
I'm taking the teachers side as I see what kids are like these days and what they say behind a persons back is even worse, they are not the little darlings from long ago. Their spoiled, rude, insensitive, uncaring, uneducated little brats that need more than their mouths taped shut.
Most of the blame goes to there parents but the parents of today's kids do not take credit unless it benefits them.
When I was in third grade, my teacher did this to me. I was an enthusiastic learner, smarter than a lot of the other children and I always knew the answer when other kids didn't. I sometimes forgot to raise my hand and wait to be called on. I was just so excited to learn. This was a punishment for not raising my hand. I was a very sensitive child and this shaming left me marked. I am shocked to find no support for this child in the postings. None of you know that he was acting out. Maybe he was like me, excited about what the teacher was imparting in her lessons and wanted to respond. I am sad when adults are so disparaging of children. Shame on all of you. Hope your sensitive kids, if you have any, survive life in your respective homes.
By the way, my mom supported me. She went to the school, talked to the teacher and made sure it never happened again. I am 57 years old and I still feel shame and sorrow when I think about that incident. I am female.
Wow, from an incident in 3rd grade, you still carry this with you? We all have had something happen in our younger years, things you are to learn from. I now feel shame and sorrow for you that you have never gotten over this one incident and grown up.
I did grow up and earned a Master's Degree in Counseling and have worked as a social worker with abused and neglected children. Perhaps that incident helped form me into an adult sensitive to the needs of children. What have you done for a child lately?
I have been inside the classrooms and teachers are NOT picking on the shy ones, I can assure you that. THere are far too many MONSTERS to worry about . The quiet kids are a blessing today. I had teachers be cruel to me too, but I don't cry about it 40 yrs later.
So you were disrupting the class, not giving others a chance to answer, and not following rules. If you were one of the smarter ones in the class how come you didn't see how you were disturbing others from learning. You were punished for continually not following directions. I am sure you were warned before you were held accountable. If you had not been taught in 3rd grade and were allowed to continue with disruptive behaviour you might not have a master's degree. You should be thanking that teacher.
Sadly......... times have changed. We still value our freedom..... as long as MY freedom isn't infringed by YOUR freedom.... These little monsters (not saying this kid was a monster but he was talking in class and was probably told not to) do what they want and we just let it happen. He was disrupting others (usual class size is 20 or 30) but his rights are more important?
Been there too, don't listen to the critics. I had teachers who picked on kids partially because of ethnicity and religion and others who favored them because of their sex. I had adults in my life who punished me for reasons that I never even understood and still don't to this day-probably never will. Some people can't understand how certain experiences stick with you emotionally-just because they don't understand, they may act like you are weak and try to tell you how much worse their experiences were (but, of course THEY weren't affected). I can pretty much guarantee that some of them have certain issues THEY aren't willing to face, but at least you are strong enough to face yours.
Don't worry about the criticism, either. I've found that people who deal with their stuff tend to get criticized pretty harshly by people who are unwilling to deal with their own stuff. Even though you mean no harm and you make no accusations against anyone else, you may get accused of all sorts of crazy things. Of course you likely know a lot more about this than I do. I applaud you for the work you are doing with kids and for your own recovery.