In a war zone things happen. Of course defense contractors make millions and probably have since they made spears and swords for the Romans. The military through the VA have taken care of all illnesses brought on because of the veterans experience and will continue to do so. Making lawsuits available to all military personnel because of exposure to harm would open the court house for years to come.

Think about: Exposure to agent orange during the Viet Nam war, deaths caused by the first set of M16's that jammed routinely in combat causing people to get shot, how about artillery short rounds that landed on friendlies, helicopters that crashed due to malfunctions and the military itself for not providing adequate food and water in a combat zone. Can you now sue your company commander for ordering a failed charge into the enemy where you were injured when he could have used another successful route?

The military through the VA have taken care of all illnesses brought on because of the veterans experience and will continue to do so.

Are you f***ing kidding me? You have OBVIOUSLY never been in the military nor had any dealings with the military healthcare nor the VA. KBR has been profiteering off the dead and maimed bodies of Service Members since LBJ was in office.

Can you now sue your company commander for ordering a failed charge into the enemy where you were injured when he could have used another successful route?

KBR isn't part of the military. They are a parasitic corporation run by warmongering profiteers who do the jobs that Service Members once did for obscene amounts of TAX FREE cash. During the bush years the goal was to survive the deployment and then get out and get a cheese job with KBR or some other military contractor in theatre doing the same job with less work but more money.

I hope the verdict stands and I hope it opens the door for KBR to be sued into non-existence. Although they'll prolly just do what those lames from blackwater did (why would you name your company after the term for used toilet water?) and close the company and re-open the next day under a different name. But one can dream.

Can you now sue your company commander for ordering a failed charge into the enemy where you were injured when he could have used another successful route?

Causing harm by mistake and causing harm knowingly, are two different things.

The military through the VA have taken care of all illnesses brought on because of the veterans experience and will continue to do so.

Paid for by the U.S. taxpayer, while the contractors bear no cost in their efforts to minimize safety in order to maximize profits. Many veterans have had to fight for VA care, such as exposure to Agent Orange. The military will tell you anything you want to hear to get you in, then treat you as collateral damage once you do.

Many soldiers unknowingly signed up for these "wars to defend our country in the aftermath of 9/11", when it was really about defending corporations access to the Iraq's natural resources against those that didn't want them there.

KB&R = GUILTY !!

They made BILLIONS from these wars and must pay for their negligence to our troops !

It is easy to see most of you people were not there. I was there with KBR and I am prior military as most of the people who worked for KBR were. The military was informed of the danger I am sure of that. KBR did not fail those men their C O did.

Good. That should just about cover what KBR stole from the U.S. Government in Iraq.

These contractors should not be allowed to get away with "informing the military" of these dangers and skate away as long as the military is exempt from being held accountable for the health issues incurred by the soldiers who are forced to endure them by virtue of being commanded to do so.

Being ordered into combat is one thing... being ordered to face unknown, unseen, undetectable enemies hurled at you by your own government via chemical pollution they know is there is something else.

Perhaps we now have the face of the demons causing so many suicides by the vets returning from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

@Dick-2100935

You should try to use a little common sense to understand the difference between soldiers killed in the course of combat and those who die due to the reckless indifference of the heads of a corrupt defense contractor.

@cd37

I'm pretty sure your only job for KBR is to troll the internet and try to tamp down criticism of your employer.

I am a military service member, and I totally disagree with this judgement. Look at what so many other service members have been exposed to. Do you see them suing or whining? No because the VA does cover health related issues tied to your service. So if healthcare is free then why is this money due to them? Since they have been awarded this money are their rights to healthcare going to be taken away? Because if you ask me it should be.

We should have all these MIC corporations execs and engineers live in a closed environment with 24hr a day unprotected exposure to their chemicals for at least a month before they are deployed for use by our soldiers.

So if healthcare is free then why is this money due to them?

Because having healthcare doesn't mean it's acceptable to knowingly expose people to carcinogenics.

Would you think it alright for a company to expose you to cancer causing agents just because you have healthcare?

If you think this is just another frivolous legal case, read my post (1.10) in the first collapsed thread.

If you think the VA automatically covers illnesses from war toxins, you are sadly mistaken. It's even worse for Federal DoD Civilians who don't get VA benefits and have to go through the Federal Workman's' Comp bureaucracy. That can take years.

Vietnam era soldiers with Agent Orange related illnesses were denied medical benefits for decades! Many soldiers died a slow and horrible death from that crap. Put yourself in their boots and imagine being terribly sick for the rest of your shortened life before you criticize these poor soldiers. Otherwise, shame on you.

This verdict will likely be overturned on appeal. KBR told the military about the chemicals and their dangers and also provided evidence that these soldiers were never exposed to enough of this chemical to cause any problems. The soldiers' lawyer found one doctor willing to say otherwise, while many others contradicted this one doctor. The reality is that many of these jury verdicts in cases like this do not stand up on appeal. Often times the verdicts are based on emotion of people feeling sorry for the injured parties and seeing the companies as deep pockets that can afford to pay, they are not based on a dispassionate evaluation of the evidence. I suspect that is what we have here. The jury felt sorry for these sick soldiers and decided to hand them some money at the expense of KBR. When this is reviewed at the appellate level by judges who are not going to be swayed by emotions the law will be upheld and the judgement will be thrown out. People would be surprised how many times this happens with these huge jury awards they read about in the media. The media rarely reports on it when the judgements are overturned on appeal because that is not sensational news that gets them readership.

KBR told the military about the chemicals and their dangers and also provided evidence that these soldiers were never exposed to enough of this chemical to cause any problems.

Yes, the fox in the henhouse advising the "immune from liability" military about the safety of the exposure amounts of these chemicals to the people given orders. Sounds reasonable.

I, not my husband spent 25 years in the AF so I have been in the military and in combat situations. It's a risk and oath we take when we join. We know there are hazards and risks to our occupation and we willing raise our hand to accept these risks.

They can't sue ANYONE who is actually the federal government so they go after contractors who do not have the same legal protections under the law. Shame on them! Based on what I've read about the story (the facts in the media), these soldiers were not around any chemicals long enough to warrant any exposure that endangered their health from this particular contractor. Burning pits, etc., maybe - but that was a RISK they were aware of and it's a part of war and being in the military.

If the VA is taking care of ANY of their health needs and this judgement stands--then they should immediately be removed from the VA health care system and be forced to pay a part of their judgement to take care of any alleged medical issues resulting from exposure to this chemical. They should not be allowed to double-dip the system and take healthcare dollars away from veterans who are not suing someone for millions of dollars.

I don't see how this judgement could stick and I hope the company continues to appeal until these military men (and I use that term loosely) are too old to enjoy any of their spoils.

And this IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS IN THE MILITARY AND SEES THIS FOR WHAT IT IS - A GREEDY GRAB FOR MONEY. They truly bring shame on the military and what we stand for.

Shame on them!!

And BTW Paul, the Agent Orange issue is dead.

If you keep up on VA benefits and military affairs, you would know that the VA is covering Agent Orange exposure, just finished completing a backlog of VA claims for Agent Orange disability compensation and also treats any illnesses that are attributed to Agent Orange.

So you need to pound away on something else--the Agent Orange issue is no longer an issue and hasn't been for a few years.

It took years of lawsuits before the government were forced to admit AO exposure was even a problem.

Kimbo, it took decades of vets suffering with the effects of agent orange and beating their heads against the wall for our gov't to step up to the plate and finally, finally admit that agent orange wasn't the innocent chemical they claimed it to be. Our veterans shouldn't have to fight their own government for care after they gave so much of themselves fighting the enemy!

The VA has linked thew following diseases to agent orange exposure:

• Acute and subacute transient peripheral neuropathy
• AL amyloidosis
• B cell leukemias (like hairy cell leukemia)
• Chloracne
• Chronic lymphocytic leukemia
• Diabetes mellitus (Type 2)
• Hodgkin’s lymphoma (Hodgkin’s disease)
• Ischemic heart disease
• Multiple myeloma
• Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma
• Parkinson’s disease
• Porphyria cutanea tarda
• Prostate cancer
• Respiratory cancers
• Soft tissue sarcoma (other than osteosarcoma, chondrosarcoma, Kaposi’s sarcoma, or mesothelioma)

If you or anyone reading this is interested in understanding, please please read an article published in the American Legion magazine that shows how much our servicemen/women and their families have gone through before and even after the gov't granted benefits for agent orange exposure. Go to:

If the link doesn't appear it's www dot legion dot org slash magazine slash 96764 slash still-adrift

Agent orange is still very much an issue, Kimbo. A veteran in our post just got approved for agent orange benefits. He, his wife, and his family have been fighting for nearly 15 years, and it's disheartening. Maybe you should connect with fellow veterans... join a veterans' organization and find out what so many veterans are going through. It's not pretty. You'll find even Air Force vets from the Vietnam era are having problems, even though they never stepped foot in the jungles of Vietnam or Cambodia. They're called Blue Sky veterans and like Blue Water and Brown Water veterans they are fighting for the agent orange benefits you seem to think are no longer a concern. I almost wonder if you are the Air Force vet you claim to be and yet are so lacking in knowledge about the issue and compassion for your fellow veterans.

cd37 Man have you been brainwashed into the KBR script. It IS NOT the responsibility of the CO to inform his/her men of dangers associated with chemicals only a chemical engineer or scientist can understand. I know of very few, if any, CO's with that type of knowledge. If the CO's were briefed by KBR I am sure it is only what KBR wanted them to know and very little was probably given on the dangers.

Guess the big money KBR paid you versus what you made as a serviceman went to your head and threw you comradeship of your true brothers by the wayside. Contractors throw the wool and hide many unsavory facts from the military when it comes to the bottom line. I spent 26 years active duty and have seen many, many instances where what contractors tell the military and what the military actually gets in the end are two opposite beasts. Take the first Bradley's, safe, protective and killed many because of covered up faults. The V-22 Osprey also comes to mind. Agent Orange a great example, when I arrived in Nam we were told the agent, along with Red and Blue, were harmless to humans....well, years later guess what, I suffer along with many thousands of others. Gulf War syndrome...hmm, now recognized.

Stop and think what you are saying. Your comment "The military was informed of the danger I am sure of that!" Just how damn sure are you? Were you in on the briefings, have documentation signed off by the military showing all the dangers were briefed to ALL servicemen involved. Probably not and more so, highly unlikely.

Oh, I get it. Corporate Confidentiality Agreement got you locked or your just a lacky troll for KBR. If you're not a troll and know something was done wrong, show your true American morality and "Whistle Blow!"

Yes, servicemen were made aware of the dangers of those chemicals just as the CIA made those unknowing victims aware of the experimental LSD they were secretly given. Rolls eyes.

Look, I don't need schooled on what the government has recognized and what the VA covers, etc. I have only been retired 10 years, am VA disabled as is my husband and I work on a military base and work with VA folks--I KNOW EVERYTHING AND MORE THAN YOU DO.

The point being...when you raise your hand and enlist, you take ALL RISKS with that decision, this is an all-volunteer force, there is no more draft, if you can't deal with the risks, then don't enlist--we have others just waiting to take your place in line.

When you have ONE DOCTOR in the entire US that is the only one that will come forward and say that your issues were caused by this chemical, then that doesn't meet the burden of proof. I can pay any quack doctor to come into court and say anything if I promise/pay them enough.

They did not meet the burden of proof and you can mark my words this day--the company will win an appeal.

And I am not a troll, don't work for KBR and don't even know anyone that does.

I am a retired American servicemember who is sick and tired of all these service members blaming everything on everyone and not accepting responsibility for signing up to take the risk. And they WERE NOT in the area long enough to get anything from anybody. They knew they couldn't sue the AF as laws prevent them from doing so, so they went after the next best thing.

And you WOULD BE SURPRISED at how many "pre-existing" conditions get blamed on the miltary--happens everyday. And when you get one to sue everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

I served in the miltary for 25 years, I KNOW HOW IT WORKS--if you haven't served, you don't.

If you have and support this bullsh$$t, then shame on you too!!

KBR's attorneys challenged that diagnosis, saying the soldiers' witness was the only physician in the U.S. prepared to make such a diagnosis.

Hmmm. KBR must have gone through a lot of time and expense questioning EVERY doctor in the United States. Their statement sounds a tad far fetched and dubious, which makes the rest of their claims untrustworthy.

I am a retired American servicemember who is sick and tired of all these service members blaming everything on everyone and not accepting responsibility for signing up to take the risk.

Did they also sign up to be unknowingly and purposefully harmed by "friendly" private contractors whose actions were motivated by profits over the safety of American citizens?

And they WERE NOT in the area long enough to get anything from anybody.

Please site your qualifications to make that determination.

I served in the miltary for 25 years, I KNOW HOW IT WORKS--if you haven't served, you don't.

Sounds like you know the "system" a little intimately too well. Ever heard of the term "projecting"? Is that the source of your anger?

If you have and support this bullsh$$t, then shame on you too!!

The only reason we, the American taxpayer, is having to support this "bullsh$$t" is because people like you allow and find it acceptable for the private contractors to shuck what should be THEIR responsibility onto the rest of us.

No, shame on you.

Sorry Kimbo. Your service and your experience does not encompass the entirety of the armed services. I place my trust in the vets that I know, and in our VA Service Officer, and in the American Legion which has kept all of us up to date on the agent orange issue. Let's see... with nearly 3 million members and 14,000 posts worldwide, guess that trumps one very bitter-sounding retiree. You describe yourself as VA disabled. Your disability was recognized, and I am both grateful for your service and sorry that your 25 years defending has resulted in your disability. But please, don't deny your brothers and sisters in arms the ability to have their disabilities recognized just because they are different and not as apparent as those experienced by others. God bless you.

Kimbo: I'm not sure why you would be so against helping fellow disabled soldiers. Let me address a few of your assertions.

1.The Agent Orange jungle defoliant (1961-1971) was touted to be safe for soldiers, but it was clearly not safe. Soldiers were denied VA benefits for a very long time. It took twenty years for it to be recognized as contributing to a quite a number of health problems. Many soldiers died before seeing justice prevail. The pictures of still born mutations and grotesque skin lesions on Vietnamese is particularly disturbing when you think US Soldiers were exposed to this same horrible toxin.

2. Blaming on "pre-existing" conditions. All soldiers go through a vigorous physical examinations and these days they track your pre-deployment health and screen for health problems after deployment. If the number of cases is abnormally high for soldiers exposed, compared to non-exposure soldiers, you can rule out pre-existing conditions.

3. "Greedy grab for money". Kimbo, getting a horrible life-threatening illness isn't something I would wish on anyone. It's not winning the lottery. I think to a person, if you gave them a choice of getting their health back or remaining deathly ill with the settlement money, they would much rather have their health back.

Chemical weapons are the most horrible of all weapons. They don't discriminate on friend or foe. You would not deny a soldier aid if shot with a bullet, but to deny aid if a soldier was wounded with a less obvious chemical "bullet" is hard for me to understand. Your anger is misdirected.

Kimbo was prolly an officer. And if the 47 is indicative of the year of her birth she was probably retired from the military well before the wars kicked off and is probably working for civilian contracting outfit who thrives on making money off the broken and maimed bodies of Service Members for the last decade plus. It would explain her being on the attack of enlisted members seeking justice for something the a civilian contractor caused.

No I was enlisted (made it to the top of the food chain guys).

And I am 52 years old, 47 is not when I was born nor my current age.

I am NOT against helping disabled veterans--those that ARE disabled and not those living off of the disability gravy train. And if you think there are not thousands of veterans taking a dip that they did not earn by disability, then you are the one living in a fantasy land. VA disability is just like any other gravy train, you have people who abuse it and abuse it every month when they get that check. You would be shocked at how much FRAUD your disabled buddies perpetrate on the VA and government and citizens each and every day.

I like to live in the real word and recognize people for WHO they are, not who I WISH they were.

I actually retired in 2004 as I stated above (if you had read my post--almost 10 years means 2004). I was in the service and served during the Gulf War (before and after) and I was in uniform during 9/11. In fact, I was part of the unit that hosted the President when he touched down in that "base in Louisiana" on 9/11.

So don't assume because I don't agree with service members being greedy and taking from any pot big enough that I have not served and suffered just like everyone else who has been in uniform.

And also, for your assumptions that bear no fact, I work in IT, for a small owned, service disabled, woman owned contractor who maybe has about 30 employees total--I don't think she is making much money off the backs of the 30 TOTAL employees she has, she's quite a nice lady and a disabled vet also--one making her own way and not LIVING OFF THE BACKS OF ANYONE WITH POCKETS DEEP ENOUGH.

I'm not a bitter retired service member, quite happy actually. Have a great life and make the majority of my money from my retirement and post-retirement job--my disability is small at best.

But I DO see my husband, who is severely disabled (at 100% PTSD and other issues which actually are ALL service/combat related) struggle with what happened to him during he war that he fought in and then I see these soldiers that just STOOD GUARD for what...3 months at a plant and now they are so disabled they need $85 million dollars to make it all better.

I'm not angry at the service members. Hell, they made a wise decision to go after someone with deep pockets since they couldn't sue the federal government, I'm angry at the idiots on the jury who awarded them anything.

And who is denying anyone anything? They are getting VA medical care and I bet they are getting disability too, so what are they being denied--the ability to get rich--good!

I'm not asking anyone to understand where I'm coming from, you can't if you don't walk in my shoes. I'm simply expressing my opinion, just like everyone else here--if you don't like it, too bad...move on or don't read it.

Bill- Your argument makes sense only if you are a share holder in KBR.

Maybe we, the USA, are beginning to remember President/General Eisenhower's warning. We can only hope it is not to late!

Bill-

One point at a time. You agree that sodium dichromate is dangerous to be exposed to, and that is what this verdict is all about.

Your obvious bias about lawyers is not the point.

If it was you or your son, I think you'd stay on point.

Bill H-1430012

If you think exposure to sodium dichromate may be bad on soldier's health what do you think about putting him in a war zone where he could get killed. How about suing the state for imperiling his life.

This is a crap suit. It says more about our lawyers and their tort courts than it does about KBR.

Were you ever in the military Bill H? If so and you took the oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States, there is nothing in those words that say I will give my life, via a slow and painful death, through chemical exposure from U.S. Contractors who deceive, extort and lie for the pure profit of their corporations.

His argument makes perfect sense to me and I'm not a shareholder of KBR!

It's you liberal heart, let's pay everybody for everything that are ruining this country.

They better hope I don't get on one of these juries--they won't ever get a dime.

And if they do...then BY LAW (been there, done that) - they ARE REQUIRED to pay back the military and VA for any medical care due to any issues that are alleged to have happened if ANY of their judgement is for medical care. THAT IS THE LAW.

But I don't anticipate they will ever get a dime and rightly so.

BTW NJOFAUSTIN - I was in the military and you are expected to give your life for your country when you swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and obey those appointed over you.

That's the problem with military service members these days--they aren't willing to sacrifice, just take the check, get the disability, sue everyone you can and run.

Military members today do not understand the oath they undertake or the true definition of sacrifice and you sound like one of them.

Military members today do not understand the oath they undertake or the true definition of sacrifice and you sound like one of them.

Are you kidding me? Military Service Member who have joined since the wars started have seen more combat than the majority of those who were in service during the reagan and bush eras. And they have sacrificed plenty. That you belittle their service the way you do is pretty disgusting and very telling.

I am a retired American servicemember who is sick and tired of all these service members blaming everything on everyone and not accepting responsibility for signing up to take the risk. And they WERE NOT in the area long enough to get anything from anybody. They knew they couldn't sue the AF as laws prevent them from doing so, so they went after the next best thing.

Try reading the article next time, mkay? They were Oregon Army Nat'l Guard, not Air Force. And being that they are in the guard the rules are a little different for them. I hope the verdict stands. And I dare any "Service Member" to walk a mile in their shoes before talking sh!t about them.

Who is belittling anything?

The fact that I don't agree with them being awarded $85 million dollars is not belittling them.

Also, I served during the Gulf War and during/after 9/11 and the wars in Iraq and still serve as a civilian on a military base during the war in Afghanistan so you're preaching to the choir.

And I have walked a mile in their shoes. And I KNOW WHAT SERVICE THEY WERE IN...that makes it even worse, part-time soldiers driving to get full-time payout--THAT IS DISGUSTING!!

You can say what you want, I don't care. I spent 25 years in the military--did you? I would almost guess not. There are a LOT of service members who never actually RETIRED from the military, yet speak as though they spent years in when a lot of them did 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, etc.

I spent 25 years...count 'em....25 years. From the age of 17 until almost 43. Proud years with lots of commendations, awards, and I made it to the top of the enlisted food chain. I didn't do that by being a dim wit or by being stupid.

I'm a pretty damn good judge of character and I have utmost respect for service members who serve honorably. The actions of these service members do not reflect honorably on themselves or their service.

I call 'em as I see 'em and "I" have EARNED the right to do so.

You and Koatz twins or come from the same gene pool.

Joe32 My reply was intended for RBknows but was posted to yours somehow.I fully agree with you.

joe32 we are fully prepared to die for this country. However, I'm prepared to die defending it-not from complications due to chemicals from a contractor. You clearly have no idea what we go through in the hell holes of Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope I hear you rambling this way in person one day....

ROB,

That's what he's saying. You two agree.

IOWAGIR, you just can't help yourself, can you? You are right about the troops. They defend our freedom. No doubt about that. Meanwhile, you're sitting in your easy chair injecting poison politics into everything you say and do. And - true to form - if I don't vote like you, I'm "stupid" and a "traitor." You must really believe that Romney 47% cr@p. Half of the country is a bunch a losers. Half of the country are "traitors." The more you sling that "traitor" sh!t, the more you point the finger at yourself, because you are disloyal to HALF of your fellow citizens. YOU are the traitor.

OOWAGIR, your words are true and cool , right up till the time you sound like a blathering idiot. A dumb ass republican president started the needless Iraq war, Halliburton/KBR was awarded the no bid contract from the Feds who found no problem with the fact that vice president Chaney worked for them, where they went about putting MY Oregon National Guardsmen in harms way from chemical exposure, not combat exposure. It was all about the money and a total disregard for the cheap labor they had on hand, the American Military! Obama is a traitor? How about a trial for high treason for those unscrupulous bastards that got us into a war for money and their buddies who profited off of it? I do believe the further you get to the middle of the country to more moronic the population gets.

IOWAGIR, If you look at the dates in question in the article these incidents happened in 2003. Who was president in 2003? George W. Bush not Obama!!! So who is the traitor now? I swear, go back to school and learn reading comprehension!!!!

Still on that it's Bush's fault. How classy. I was referring to those that were bitching about our military. I did not say nor belive that Bush was a great president. Not in the least! I am saying that Obama is a traitor because it is a fact. You are not at all informed about Benghazi, the leaked info on the OBL raid SEAL's tem 6. Or the leaked info about the doctor that helped us wiith it. Who else would want to work with us when we rat out our friends for political gain?----------

Pakistani officials have called for a treason trial previously, but the commission's new order comes just days after U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta publicly confirmed Afridi's key role in the Bin Laden mission.

Obama is whiping his feet on the constitution. Our freedoms were being taken away long before he came in to office. He just sped up the process by at least 10X! I am not saying R/R ticket is perfect but it's way better that the boobs we have now. Obama is anti-America and anti-capitolist. He is in bed with the muslim brotherhood! Do some reaserch! Read his book. I have, it's all there. Don't just belive what the MSM is or isn't telling you. Don't be led like sheep. Vote for someone who at least takes pride in his country.

@CincyJoe37 I complained about those bashing the folks that one the lawsuit. If you think I called you a traitor and idiot, I say to you "If the shoe fits..." Owebama watched our men die. He does not respect the flag and our armed forces. He is anti-American. No I don't agree with the 47% comment. It's lower than that. You see people like that on TV. Obama phone, Obama stash, some OWS protesters. Maybe you are one of them if you took such offence.

@Aaron-- I thank you for your service. I agree with you about the war and that it was brought on by Cheney and Bush. I didn't make any reference to them. Just because I think Obama is a traitor you assume I approve of Bush? They screwed sh^t up too! I just think that Obama is much worse and if he gets re-elected then kiss capitalism good bye and we will be slaves to the communist gov. while taking orders from the UN.

And to VRW55 I saw the dates and you are the one that needs help. Obama is still the traitor and News Flash...Bush is not running. It sucks that people bash folks who serve when they have not done so them selves. Any one that has fought for our country has reason to and the right to complain, I get that. It's the others that piss me off.

IOWAGIR,

Will you Teabaggers stop with the lies about Benghazi? You parrot every lie that comes out of Mitten's pie hole, even when the truth is a short Google search away. Here's the link, though I'm certain your Oath of Obstinancy won't let you read it.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/01/14865301-new-timeline-of-benghazi-attack-notes-quick-response-by-defenders?lite

yes I read that one too! The administration put that out because the original timeline didn't fly. Everyone questioned the respose. So they had to put out something new to try to cover Obama's ass. Patraeus statement. I think he is quite qualified to know such matters:

So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?

MSM hasn't been following the story as it developed. I saw the emails that were date stamped and the info you rely on is from MSN? Yeah great source. LMAO!

Yes, Sage.

And I Remember the Story about how we had to Stop Sadaam from using Chemical Warfare on his own People?

Forward

Somehow, your rant seems to be based on your "personal experiences" and the fact that you "dis" your brothers in arms from the National Guard, as it is an Armed Forces branch of service of the US Army also - sometimes referred to as the Total Force . In case you are unfamiliar with the VA, and the WTU, perhaps you can find a source that supports your claim of:

The WTU Warrior transition Units were created to help service soldiers injured in combat but not even 1% of all the soldiers in WTU were even injured in combat

All of your "facts" seems to be a little askew.

My brothers in arms in group only get support from me. I have been deployed 4 times to iraq and 4 time to afghan. We will only count those and not the ones to bosnia, kosovo, macedonia, israel, lebanon etc. I dis the lazy people in the military using diability as a crutch. Sorry but yes I am basing this on personal experiences so that makes me the best source of knowledge. I watch soldiers at center for the intrepid that is where the severly wounded soldiers go get up 3 weeks after their legs are blown off and put on their new legs for the very first time and walk. Then I go next door and see soldiers who have one herniated disk walking around with a cane, but then when they are taken on their free trip to go waterskining at canyon lake on the weekend. I watch them same soldiers drop their cane and go jet skining and wakeboarding> as far as the numbers go. Fort polk stood up their WTU and day 1 there were 484 soldiers in WTU. Only 3 of those 484 were wounded in combat the other 481 were wounded doing their jobs in the states and during PT. Fort Bragg about 4,000 soldiers in WTU only about 100 are wounded from combat the others same as polk. Should I continue. Why does a female soldier get 100% disability for PTSD for serving 1 week in basic training, but a soldier who loses a leg a full leg only gets guess what the starting rate of disability is for a limb lost 30% yep that is right. So if I am dissing anyone it is the sorry excuse lazy pieces of crap that are milking the system and screwing over great soldiers that never compalin like ryan who is burned over his entire body well what is left who continues to serve. So my facts may seem a little askew to you but the sad part is they are facts. maybe you should serve or do your own research or maybe sit around the WTU's and listen to the soldiers go yeah my unit was going to kick me out so I went to the PA and got a profile and then asked him to send me to WTU. Then another soldiers asks how much disability are you getting he states only 20% the other soldiers then tells him oh you need to cliam this and this and this. They can't prove you have it or not so you will get it. You hear and see soldiers faking injuries all the time especially since if you were in WTU when it started at polk you got a free flat screen tv. free cell phone, free laptop, free xbox.

Forward obama2012, Ive seen soldiers such as yourself before. Whine and cry you got hurt, blame others and then get mad when others get something you didnt. Yea I served for 10 years, was never on profile during those 10 years and passed each pt test with flying colors.

You dont count those sent to Bosnia, Kosovo or any place else? Get over what ever little issues you have and grow a set.

You lost a leg.....You didnt lose your life or have it shortened. You are pissed off in the wrong direction and at the wrong people.

Not upset at all over losing a leg it was my choice. And I am still in serving active duty still without a profile still deploying with my team in a few months for number 9. As far as people getting something I didn't no problem with that. Do not want anything. The point I am trying to make there are injured soldiers out there that can't get into the dr or get the disability they deserve because of soldiers milking the sytem. As for me I have a great job working for private security when i retire. I will not take a cent in disabiltiy. Oh and the bosnia I said I didn't count those deployments of mine not that I didn't count those of others. as I do wear my ribbons on my chest from those. So grow a pair I did and they are rather huge. great for you that you passed a pt test since that is what the army said you have to do so no big accomplishment as there are people passing should say maxing it missing two legs. so what did you do on active duty get smoked probably. ODA 531.

Forward

Sorry you feel that way and I hope you come out of your 5 stages of grief soon, over your loss. Who cares? You should - for yourself. I hope you can go forward. In the military, we are all a team!

Combat Veteran, 1969-1993

Jack from Jax,

Apparently you were in a different military than the rest of us. Those members who served during your time, they were a different breed.

I retired in 2004 and he speaks the truth. You wouldn't believe what they are doing in "your military" today. He is right. They come in, 6 months later claim medical issues and now, if you're not deployable, then they move to discharge you and we have Airman, people with 6 months, 12 months who never even left the state, let alone the country and entered a combat zone, being medically retired for a bad back, sleep apnea--things that ARE NOT COMBAT nor truly service related and getting a free education and monthly disability.

Case in point - the Airman who discovered in basic training (in Week #1 BTW) that he had leukemia and then wanted the AF to discharge him at 100% and pay for his medical for the rest of his life. Tried to convince the AF that he "got" leukemia in the 5 days he was in the Air Force. Luckily he DIDN'T WIN his case.

These are the leeches that so-called parents are raising today. Did you know that today's airman/soldiers make more in disability than they ever will in retirement? In fact, that's the goal, get everything they can into their medical records so they can get a big disability check. And since they opened the doors on PTSD...what a floodgate! Half of these people don't even know what it stands for and how to spell it let alone suffer from it.

My husband is over 250% disabled by the VA, but can only get 100%--he is 100% PTSD. And he REALLY suffers from it, just ask me and what I've had to witness and go through, mentally and physically.

That's why it PISSES me off when these so-called military members claim to be endangered by something they weren't even exposed to long enough to get a hangnail, let alone serious diseases.

It is ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY--ALWAYS and those that scream the loudest that it isn't are the biggest liars.

100 % service-connected vet gets about $2,800 a month, not $6,000 and no clothing allowance unless they lose a limb. Also ALL veterans can get free medical except for those making over a certain amount. Less than 100% service-connected get medical with a small co-pay.

forward, you a disgruntled vet who needs to see a VA psychiatrist before you commit suicide over your delusions.

The more I hear someone complain the more I get the feeling they never served. Those I see at the VA hospital don't complain.

He speaks the truth.

My husband, due to the fact that he is rated well over 200% gets home-bound and brings home about $3,200 in disability.

He can't work and is considered unemployable. No kidding...the last time he had a PTSD episode I ended up with a concussion.

A lot of people that are prior service members spent negligible time in service but will spend years trying to squeeze every dime they can out of Uncle Sam while those veterans who have been truly injured have to scrap and beg for everything they ARE entitled to.

The VA is as corrupt as the federal government.

Kimbo..get him and yourself help...that concussion next time could lead to permanent brain damage or he could kill you...be careful and please seek treatment...he may be an awesome guy whe he is not having an episode, but the damage that could be done during one may become permanent...

I, in no way, am saying leave him for this, but get help....

The Republicans want to take population control a step or two further with their Medicare voucher system and relaxing of EPA regulations and government oversight of corporations. By doing so, more people will certainly die.

They will then claim that they did indeed reduce unemployment.

Denverdud- Such an idiot. Unless you have something intelligent to add, walk away from your computer now.

No. The EPA is an out of control agency who has no desire than to just stifle business. Case in point. Instead of just increasing fuel economy standards of cars, trucks and heavy equipment, the EPA went after emissions. Now heavy trucks and equipment have diesel particulate filter and inject urea into the exhaust. Fuel mileage is no better and you have to "Regen" from time to time. What does that do? It injects diesel fuel into the exhaust, igniting the excess soot and cranks up the temp and burns it off. Where does all this urea and excess fuel go? Out the exhaust pipe, still into the atmosphere. Real smart don't you think? For us up here in the cold north, this generates lots of problems along with ultra low sulphur diesel that has 23% moisture content. Now try to keep all this $h!t from freezing.

No. The EPA is an out of control agency who has no desire than to just stifle business.

This sentence demonstrates why you are someone who can't be taken seriously.

Actually, they should get prison sentences.

Making a contractor that willfully and neglectfully exposed you to hexavalent chromium pay a penalty is "looking for a handout?"

yeah these war mongers sure did make life pretty comfortable for the soldiers though. Just think without all these war mongers half of the army we have now would have never been able to survive living off the ground. Just think soldiers complain now when their skype goes out just think how much more they would complain without internet. To free the oppressed. ODA531

Forward,

In all of your posts you sign out as ODA 531, care to give the proper ODA number? Otherwise, some of your crdibility may take a hit!

Nope but it is 4 numbers now instead of three what it was when I joined the teams back in 1998. Went thru selection feb 97 roster 104. But when i finished the q i was sent to cambell to 531. most from the team are dead now starting in 2003 when we took our first casualties in a joint op with the CIA. First casualty was named joe senior 18E took direct hit RPG to the right arm. is that credible enough for you.

forward, you are a fraud.

KBR won't go bankrupt from an $85million dollar loss. They're getting off cheap.

I think the point, as one of the soldiers said, is to make some effort to stop these companies from recklessly endangering everyones life...as if war isn't bad enough. My tax dollars shouldn't go to a Military whose purpose is promote and guard Corporation Profits. Why should we pay with our money and lives for some Private Corp. to get rich, pay no taxes or not help out AT home? It doesn't make any sence for the American Public. (and I think every Vet & family should get free gas for life)

The point is not just to make them pay But to make them STOP from such shoddy, reckless business. They are killing us for a buck.

I think the point, as one of the soldiers said, is to make some effort to stop these companies from recklessly endangering everyone life...as if war isn't bad enough.

The problem is, greedy corporate officers see being forced to pay court judgments and fines as just another business expense. They made their millions and the people they harmed mean nothing to them. They'll just carry on and the cycle will start again.

My tax dollars shouldn't go to a Military whose purpose is promote and guard Corporation Profits.

Romney is one of these soulless corporate heads and if he is elected, that's exactly where your tax dollars will be going.