'Significant' nor'easter likely in areas hit by Sandy, weather service warns

Justin Lane / EPA

Collins Wimbish and Margaret Girgaud turned a barrel into a barbecue in order to cook food in the Rockaways neighborhood of Queens, New York, on Saturday. The Rockaways will dip to around 28 degrees overnight.

Updated at 9:45 am ET: A "significant" nor'easter is likely to hit Sandy-battered areas of the Northeast by Thursday, the National Weather Service said in an update Sunday. FEMA and Red Cross officials have ordered more resources ahead of the storm, while New York City is dealing with a shortage of fuel oil and steam to heat buildings as temperatures began dipping into the 20s and power remained out for hundreds of thousands.

At the very least, the service's prediction center stated, there is "a very real possibility of heavy rain and strong winds along the coast from Virginia to Maine."

Snow is likely in the interior and some models "do bring some snow all the way to the coast as far south as Virginia," it warned.


Power was restored to nearly all of lower Manhattan on Saturday, but it was still lights out for 2.3 million homes in other parts of New York City and the rest of the Northeast, especially Long Island and the New Jersey shore.

In addition, "tens of thousands are without steam power and therefore heat," New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Saturday.

"We want to get as many people into shelters as we can," he said, given the cold and the potential for a new storm that computer models now show being even stronger than forecast on Friday.

Bloomberg also blasted the Long Island Power Authority, saying the utility "has not acted aggressively enough" to restore power, especially in the Rockaways. 

Overnight lows were around 28 degrees F in the Rockaways, 38 in New York City and 33 on parts of Long Island, NBCNewYork.com reported. Even in areas with temps above 30, 15-20 mph winds will make it feel like it's in the 20s.

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Temperatures Sunday and Monday were expected to be even colder just as critical heating oil supplies dwindle.

"There's no heating oil around," said Vincent Savino, the president of Statewide Oil and Heating, which usually supplies some 2,000 buildings across New York City. "I don't know how much fuel we have left: maybe a day or two." 

Expected to be felt in the Northeast on Wednesday and Thursday, the storm would not be anywhere as destructive as Superstorm Sandy, but could cause some new erosion and hinder recovery efforts.

Moreover, computer models are tending "toward a more powerful storm system for the East Coast Wednesday through Thursday," said weather.com expert Tom Niziol. 

Potential impacts, he said, include:

  • Strong winds possibly topping 45 mph along the coast.
  • High surf, which will cause additional coastal erosion.
  • Significant snowfall from the Poconos through Catskills to Interior New England and Upstate New York.
  • Continued cold temperatures with overnight lows in the Thursday time frame down to the low to mid 30s, even near the coast.

He expected 1-2 inches of rain in coastal areas and 25-30 mph gusts on Wednesday, adding that the forecast could change.

FEMA and Red Cross officials said Saturday they were mobilizing even more resources to prepare for the storm.

The Home Depot has sent 5,000 truckloads of supplies into the East Coast since last Tuesday. Getting essentials to stores in ravaged communities takes a team of people working in what they call a "War Room." NBC's Gabe Gutierrez reports.

In New Jersey, Gov. Chris Christie on Saturday visited crews repairing the berm in Little Ferry, saying a push was being made to seal it up before the new storm. Sandy tore up the berm, causing widespread flooding there.

The U.S. death toll reached 111 on Saturday, officials said, after Sandy killed 69 people as a hurricane in the Caribbean. It struck the New Jersey coast on Monday as a rare hybrid after the hurricane merged with a powerful storm system in the north Atlantic.

Consolidated Edison, a utility battling what it called the worst natural disaster in its history, restored electricity to New York City neighborhoods such as Wall Street, Chinatown and Greenwich Village in the pre-dawn hours.

But some 11,000 customers in Manhattan were still without power.

"There's enough light and activity to get a lot of people on the street and get rid of that movie-set look as if we're in some kind of ghost town or horror movie," Con Ed spokesman Bob McGee told NY1 television.

With collapsed roads and destroyed homes along the New York area shore, the changes have altered the coastline and accelerated beach erosion. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.

In New Jersey, the utility PSE&G said 612,000 customers were still without lights after power to 1 million had been restored.

Con Ed said it had restored power to 70 percent of the 916,000 customers in the New York City area who were cut off. The company was still busy assisting tens of thousands more without power in New York City's outer boroughs, where some people complained of being ignored.

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"We have nobody down here with video coverage," said Grace Lane, a grandmother who defied evacuation orders and rode out the storm in her second-story bedroom as water rushed through the first floor of her house in Broad Channel, a community in Queens.

Eight people -- Lane, her husband, their two daughters, their husbands and her two grandchildren -- were sleeping on air mattresses on the floor of the upstairs bedroom, the last usable room in the house.

"At least my children are OK," she said.

In a city devastated by Sandy, holding a race through five battered boroughs just seemed like the wrong idea, according to officials. "I think there's a thin line between demonstrating resilience and being insensitive," one runner said. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.

Many houses were gutted by 5 feet of floodwater that raced through Broad Channel, where residents hauled broken furniture and soggy belongings out of their homes on Friday.

In a sign of security worries in the neighborhood, one garage full of debris stood open with a sign next to it reading: "LOOTERS WILL BE CRUCIFIED - GOD HELP YOU."

Moving to ease fuel shortages, the Obama administration directed the purchase of up to 12 million gallons of unleaded fuel and 10 million gallons of diesel, to be trucked to New York and New Jersey for distribution.

With hundreds displaced by the storm, crucial necessities are being supplied to those hit hardest by Sandy by FEMA, the Red Cross and the National Guard. NBC's Michelle Franzen reports.

The government announced it would tap strategic reserves for diesel for emergency responders and waived rules that barred foreign-flagged ships from taking gas, diesel and other products from the Gulf of Mexico to Northeast ports.

The moves could help to quell anger triggered by growing lines -- some of them miles long -- at gas stations. Less than half of the stations in New York City, Long Island and New Jersey were operating on Friday.

New Jersey Gov. Christie ordered gas rationing in 12 counties to begin on Saturday under an "odd-even" system in which motorists with license plates ending in odd numbers would be able to buy gas on odd-numbered days.

Experts say flooding in the Big Apple can be prevented in the future by building seawalls, levees or gigantic surge barriers. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

Disaster modeling company Eqecat estimated Sandy caused up to $20 billion in insured losses and $50 billion in economic losses.

At the high end of the range, it would rank as the fourth costliest U.S. catastrophe, behind Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the September 11, 2001, attacks and Hurricane Andrew in 1992, according to the Insurance Information Institute.

Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Superstorm Sandy made landfall Monday evening on a destructive and deadly path across the Northeast.

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So all these musicians performed to raise money for those affected by Sandy last night, but where was Jay-Z? I thought he was the "King of New York"?

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#1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 9:29 AM EDT

What good do these concerts really do anyway. What problem actually got solved because of a bunch of musicians performing on a stage in front of a bunch of homeless people singing songs that are 50 years old, right now is sort of sick. Its great they want to do something but I probably would have waited.

I mean they don't have to get awareness out everyone in the world already knows about the storm.

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#1.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:13 AM EDT

Agreed.

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#1.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

The concert did seem to be a bit over the top. I mean you still have people in the dark, many without food or shelter. This was a bad idea. They should have waited a while before doing something like this.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:15 AM EDT
Comment author avatarbones-2099328Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

amazing how fast obamas personal network nbc put this together. what an amazing coincidence they could rush this the last weekend before the election.what a coincidence the performers are all extreme obama supporters. they should have had obama come swagging on stage in his bomber jacket to complete the facade.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:24 AM EDT

I believe that is was a "feel good" type of gesture from many performers who have roots in some of the impacted areas.

If it gives people a "warm fuzzie" to believe that their favorite celebrities are making a noble effort to recognize their plight and hardship , then i don't see a problem .

I think it was better than hosting a "marathon" event in NYC.

The celebrities will all fly back to LA when it's done anyway

  • 12 votes
#1.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:27 AM EDT

Only idiots from the right would object to a concert to raise money for people who need help from this massive storm. Show you just how heartless some people from the right really are. There will be other concerts in the future for the same thing. Willie Nelson has been doing this for years to aid farmers and Bon Jovi has been raising money for distressed people since like forever. Waiting for the rich fat cats to kick in and you never help anyone.

The pictures I saw on here this morning of the devistation from this storm makes on think that recovery from this is not going to happen quickly. The front yards of some of the areas beach front properties are now three blocks or more inland

  • 18 votes
#1.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

Instead of helping and using these resources for aid , they through a concert lol

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#1.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:37 AM EDT

I agree that there is certainly a political spin in this event for sure . bones-2099328.

Joe Biden could say : "We saved GM and we're saving "Jersey Shore "

breadex, how do you know the political views of people posting ,,,?? would that be called contempt prior to investigation ?

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:42 AM EDT

Having lived through windstorms and hurricanes the power doesn't necessarily come back on that fast. Sorry that is what the rest of the country deals with all the time. The last time I was in a windshear it took three weeks. Suggestions: Buy hot hands packs from sporting goods store One in an inside pocket helps for up to 6 hours to keep you warm. Sterno cans to heat soup available at sporting goods stores. MRE's if you can get them have a built in way to heat the hot food. Battery lights best ones have led bulbs less battery use for the candlepower. Second suggestion when the non-union electric repairman from Alabama shows up just say thank you.

  • 20 votes
#1.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

It's amazing how people start whining because they want things back to normal. Well guess what? Back to normal TAKES TIME. Certainly more than one week. A lot of people are busting their @sses to get you the help you need. So you can't check you Facebook page, make a phone call, use your video game. Your alive! many aren't. You're getting a lot more help than the people of NOLA got. If you're exhausted (Patience wise)after one week you aren't going to make it. This is going to take months to get back to any sense of normal.

  • 20 votes
#1.10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:21 PM EDT

So the others don't matter? I love how Americans these days don't appreciate what they get and then they complain about what they didn't get or who wasn't there. And some of the people are complaining because they werent helped immediately. I would challenge any of them to write down on a piece of paper tickmarks for the millions that were affected and out of power. One tickmark each. How long would it take for them to even write it down. So someone is supposed to respond to each and every one of those tickmarks within a day two days or two weeks. You don't go out and remove one tree and it suddenly cures hundreds of people involved. It may cure one. The problem there is everyone is everyone is so used to snapping their fingers and getting it that they can't control themselves when they snap their finders and it takes two days to respond. And one person was whining and saying they didnt do it we did. Great! Great! Great! If you could only get everyone in America who is able to do that. That is what built America. The govdidnt go before them and create roads and protect them from attack and violence and weather. I think the gov should help as needed but some need to realize it takes time. It takes appreciation. It takes effort. And I get tired of everyone not appreciating what they have. Remember Haiti after the earthquake? We could be like them. We aren't. Start appreciating it and quit whining!!!

  • 15 votes
#1.11 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:23 PM EDT

And where is Trump now with his "millions for charity"??

(Probably feels the victims have to "work" for it.)

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#1.12 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

It was silly. Maybe their hearts were in the rightplace, but please...we've got no TV, no heat, no power.....freezing our butts off. Go get generators for stores if youwant to help. Our little grocery that has been open 24/7 just lost their generator this morniong.l.grocery full of food....very sad.

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#1.13 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:32 PM EDT

He was in Vegas with Obama silly.

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#1.14 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:34 PM EDT

I agree. Be thankful you are alive, your belongings can be replaced. I am amazed at the amount of people who remain in their homes, knowing there is a good chance destruction is headed straight for them. There was plenty of warning the storm was coming and how bad it could be. To make the poor decision to remain in a potentially harmful area, and then expect immediate relief is absurd. These poor judgement calls puts your life and that of your family, in possible jeopardy. It also puts rescuers at risk with the expectation someone bails you out. Anyone who made such an irresponsible and poor choice, has no one but themselves to blame. I do believe relief should be sent for them. but they should not be whining that it doesn't come quick enough. Ultimately you are responsible for the consequences of your choices. For those affected who were not predicted to be in harms way, that's a different situation entirely.

  • 15 votes
#1.15 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:37 PM EDT

Andrew, Katrina, Sandy, all show this country is not prepared for any type of disaster, instead of bullets and armoured cars, FEMA, should have generator trucks, storage of food, water, field cooking equipment, portable hospitals, bulldozers and most of all leadership, not a bunch of political hacks, who only want photo shots; we used to have a civil defense in place, with back up supplies, we now have military response.

  • 12 votes
#1.16 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:45 PM EDT

You right wing ignatz are showing your true colors:

What good do these concerts really do anyway. What problem actually got solved because of a bunch of musicians performing on a stage in front of a bunch of homeless people singing songs that are 50 years old, right now is sort of sick. Its great they want to do something but I probably would have waited.

These homeless people had homes a few days ago. You lose yours to a storm like this. Then see how good it feels to know someone cares. And the truly homeless are no less needy. They also lost places to live like everyone else.

I was going to say that NYC has had it's share of difficulties with 911 and now this. My best wishes to everyone in that area with hopes for speedy recovery of life and property. It must be a huge burden for the governors and mayors of these cities. We should keep them all in our prayers and hearts while they try to dig out of the devastation.

  • 8 votes
#1.17 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:25 PM EDT

All we hear about is NY and NJ. They do have a disaster to deal with and I empathize with the residents there. A real tragedy. BUT WHAT ABOUT WEST VIRGINIA! This is a state that deals with snow but Sandy dumped more wet, heavy snow than anyone could imagine. Power is only now being restored and many will have no power until next weekend. The temperatures haven't been much more than freezing all week. No gas or food has been getting in. No water because of no power. Much longer than the 3 days people have been told to be ready for. Obama hasn't even been there. I guess not enough voters. But all those who left WV after school and live in other states are now undecided as to who to vote for. Some help better get to WV and soon. I have been pro-Obama but I am having second thoughts. Talk about a state and its people who have been ignored!

  • 9 votes
#1.18 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:34 PM EDT

"Go get generators for stores if you want to help."

Good idea. One small problem, who pays for the generators if money is not raised? The concert was not so much for the listening enjoyment of New Yorkers et al. as it was to help raise money to help the victims. After the concert there WILL be enough money to help. Makes sense, no?

  • 6 votes
#1.19 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:55 PM EDT

This stupid site.."six days of sorrow" a look back at sandy !!!!!!!!!!!

Just like fema and obama and now this dumb assed site.. as if the the hurricane is months old and everything is back to normal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

people are freezing and starving, no place to stay, no food, no gas stuck on staten island and trapped like rats on a sinking ship and the everybody just ignoring them..."nothing to see here move along" is BS and what happened to the week warning ? they could have had miltary tents and genertors ready to go but instead they still suffer 6 days later !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 5 votes
#1.20 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

West Virgina your in the same boat Nashvile was with their flood. Thye had to fend for themselves thats just the was it is. High profile places like New York city is going to get more attention.

  • 4 votes
#1.21 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:27 PM EDT

The best time to tap folks for a donation is when the tragedy is still fresh on the news and in people's minds and heart. Just wish the Red Cross had more telephone lines available last night but I'll take it as good sign that the line was busy for 3 hours straight! My computer was on the blink....arrgh. Good show with good music. Thoughts and prayers to my neighbors up north. Stay strong.

To Diana, Red Cross donations help everyone who is in need including West Virginia and any other state in need. It is not political at all. The first priority is getting a roof over people's heads and food in their tummies. The power companies are doing their best and neighboring states' power companies have sent their trucks to help. A visit from the President or Mr. Romney would only take manpower away from the recovery and repair effort due to security issues. Best to let the professionals at the local level do their job. What is truly needed is money not photo opps. We all feel frustrated at times like this and want to help so I get where you are coming from, Diana. I live in Va Beach and was without power for an entire week after Isabel years ago. Thank goodness for gas grills and poptarts!

  • 8 votes
#1.22 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:32 PM EDT
Comment author avatarDee TenExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

FEMA should bring Joe Biden to NYC to give speeches. All that hot air would raise the temperature at least 50 degrees. Now that I think about it, they should also invite the president. But wait a second, together they might raise the temperature so high that they'd be blamed by Al Gore as the cause of global warming!

  • 8 votes
#1.23 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

What good did the concert do? Well, it raised $23M for the Red Cross, and donations are still flowing in. I watched. I donated. I even cried and prayed, and I'm basically an atheist, but hey...it's not about me. It's about those suffering in NYC/NJ and other areas damaged by Sandy.

  • 1 vote
#1.24 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:29 AM EST

If you think the devastation from Sandy was bad, wait until Obama loses on Tue.. Northeast is the baby killing, left-wing loony Liberals playground..........

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:08 PM EST
Comment author avatarJeanne Donaldsonvia Facebook

Al is right and I personally know how it feels to be sitting in a ruined home after massive tornados that struck HARD in the south April 2011. Over 400 killed in Alabama alone..so we were among the lucky ones, our house was badly damaged, but standing, where many of my neighbors homes who took a direct hit were totally gone. It's easy to feel abandoned when no one comes and you are cut off from what is going on. hard to remember that there are thousands of people that have to be delt with at the same time. We had to fend for ourselves for days, no electricity, gas turned off, water service that came and went. The fastest help werel ocal groups from undamaged areas that began bringing food, water and help clearing the streets from debris that made roads impassable.It looked as if we had been bombed. And remember, we had little warning, little time to prepare.

So next time you get warned, TAKE IT SERIOUSLY! GET OUT! or at least have 2 weeks food, water and fuel stored so you can camp out in your home and don't gripe if no one can come and rescue you. Anyone who risks their families and children by staying after being told to leave is stupid! Negligent. It's only "stuff", not worth your or your childs life. With a nor-easter coming, it is time for those in the path to head west or south. You are lucky enough to have advanced warning again...GO.

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:08 PM EST
Reply

Moving to ease fuel shortages, the Obama administration directed the purchase of up to 12 million gallons of unleaded fuel and 10 million gallons of diesel, to be trucked to New York and New Jersey for distribution.

this distribution will be handled on a per vote basis of course ......and naturally at only a slight price increase of.....................:)

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 9:37 AM EDT

It's only fair that New York and New Jersey get their share. The government has been giving me gas for years.

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

So if you vote Republican you get generic corn chips otherwise you get Frito's :) giggle Or is that the other way around :)

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

tucsand,

It doesn't matter who you vote for. You're gonna get generic corn chips. If you vote Democrat, however, someone else will pay for them. ;)

  • 13 votes
#2.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:23 AM EDT

denver bill 2 lol

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

denver bill...

and if you vote Richpublican,... your making money from the companies that SOLD these supplies to the government or supplied war materials and services. which are also paid for by someone else.

  • 7 votes
#2.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:37 AM EDT

STEVEW220

denver bill...and if you vote Richpublican,... your making money from the companies that SOLD these supplies to the government or supplied war materials and services. which are also paid for by someone else.

In either case, the "someone else" is the taxpayers. If you are rich, you are paying taxes. The general observation is that more Republican voters sign the front of the check. More Democrat voters sign the back.

  • 9 votes
#2.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:45 AM EDT

got some statistics to back that up?

signed,

a working-full-time democrat - who signs the front of the checks

  • 7 votes
#2.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:22 PM EDT

It means nothing if the stations have no power to pump it...which is a lot of the case right now.

  • 7 votes
#2.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:33 PM EDT

Ummmm, if you have a checking account and you pay your bills you sign the front of checks also. Plus this fantasy land that PNN (the propaganda new networks, Fox) has created where only minorities who vote democrat are on social assistance is just that, a fantasy. Go to any trailer court or low income apartment complex in any red state and you will find plenty of white, republican families sitting on their overfed asses watching Fox noise, swilling coors lite at 1 in the afternoon and blaming Obama because they are too lazy to get a job. We just put on 20 employees in the past two weeks and everyone of them came from another state because no one from this republican strong hold wanted to work before the election because it might make the lie they have been telling themselves fall apart at the seems.

  • 6 votes
#2.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:08 PM EDT

Vicki-301769

got some statistics to back that up?

I'm so glad you asked, because I do. If you want to do your own homework, go to the Census Bureau or start with usgovinfo.about.com. Using government-provided numbers (2009 for tax data, 2012 for political affiliation):

The top 1% (344k/yr or more) make 17% of the income and pay 37% of the taxes; the top 5% (155k/yr) make 32% of the income and pay 59% of the taxes ..... people making over 150k/yr are 36% Republican, 30% Democrat, 32% Independent.

The top 50% (32k/yr) make 87% of the income and pay 98% of the taxes ..... people making between 30 and 150k/yr are about evenly split between Republicans, Democrats, and Independents (slightly more Democrat than Republican, and slightly more Independent thatn either D or R).

The bottom 50% make 13% of the income and pay 2% of the taxes ..... people making less than 30k/yr are 20-23% Republican, 40-42% Democrat, and 34% Independent.

It doesn't take a math genius to see that more Republicans write the checks and more Democrats cash them.

  • 4 votes
#2.10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:04 PM EDT

And Republican rich people give more to charity than Democraps. Way more...look it up.

  • 5 votes
#2.11 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:31 PM EDT

Sometimes it depends upon how you define charity.

    #2.12 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:29 PM EST
    Reply

    Does everything require a negative response? Give it a break please.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

    It's called humor. Get to know it. Make it your friend.

    • 8 votes
    #3.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:10 AM EDT

    so noncritic...your negative about being negative?.....ok we got it now, thanks for clearing that up.....

    • 7 votes
    #3.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:30 AM EDT

    Fkn Trolls!!! Humor, you call politizing people tradgity Humor RETARDED TROLL!!!

    Ther's an old saying, What goes around comes around. wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

    • 2 votes
    #3.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:03 AM EDT

    6dogs

    Fkn Trolls!!!

    Don't sugar-coat it .... give it to me straight..

    At least when whatever has gone around comes around, I'll be laughing instead of sitting in the corner bitchin and moanin at the world.

    • 2 votes
    #3.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:14 AM EDT

    I think a lot of what is posted on these blogs is funny ,,,,afterall , it's a form of entertainment. Do people really have to take themselves so seriously ???

    • 3 votes
    #3.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

    6d0gs--"what goes around comes around"? Really? Geez, I live in MO and we have REGULAR destructive Tornadoes (Joplin MO ring a bell? 1/2 the town WIPED out with little to no warning?) My home town had millions of damage last year too. We have FLOODS--the ones in the early 90's cut off all access to 'the other side of several state wide rivers, and levee breaches DESTROYED some of the best farmland in the states by coating it with oily sand. And the levee breach LAST year? Was DELIBERATE. Seems that the Corps (No "S" when you say that, Barack) of Engineers decided that MO's farmland took a back seat to BARGE traffic in LA, and deliberately BROKE a levee. (and that Corps of Engineers in part of OBAMA's admin now.) Blizzards? Ice Storms? My home town once had to get EPA permission to BURN all the downed trees and branches.

    When Katrina hit, New Orleans got all the attention, so my home town 'adopted' a town in Mississippi that was ALSO devastated, and a local trucking company put a trailer on W-mart's lot for people to donate food, toiletries, paper goods, clothes etc. and promised to haul it down for free--and within 24 hours had sent THREE and sent crews of volunteers, many taking vacation time to do it, to set up food kitchens, help cut down tree branches, etc.

    This is a town of 20,000 people, who also dug deep in our pockets to donate MONEY too. That's what Americans do.

    A year later, our show choir was going to a competition in Pearl Mississippi, and our kids fundraised extra to go down two days early and do a benefit concert at the HIGH School of the sister city (McComb) (which meant an extra 'motel nigh' and day of bus rental) And did ONE for the student body, and another that night that the 'admission' was canned goods for the local food pantry.

    And guess what? FEMA had barely been to that town (McComb) a YEAR after Katrina hit. It was a poor town, mostly Black, and those people were STILL struggling. But when Sedalia MO had their tornado last year, McComb held a fund raiser and sent SEDALIA money for THEIR recovery.

    That's what Americans do. We pull up our big kid panties and GO ON. And if you DON'T have Humor, what DO you have?

    Evidently YOU have nothing but BILE.

    PS--I already MADE my contribution to the Red Cross. YOU????

    Oh, and Btw--MO sent rescue workers and electrical crews last MONDAY to NY.

    • 8 votes
    #3.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:52 PM EDT

    Scooter

    so noncritic...your negative about being negative?.....

    when I was in school 2 negatives equals a positive, ergo, noncritic is positively negative to humorous and sarcastically funny remarks - Too Bad because it is always better to laugh than cry in your beer - besides, salty beer really tastes yuck! Unless of course, you are eating pretzels while drinking a beer.

      #3.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:34 PM EDT

      6dogs -

      "Ther's an old saying, What goes around comes around."

      So are saying with your witticism, that NYC has brought this devastation upon themselves by some ignoble act in the past?

      Not very charitable...

      • 1 vote
      #3.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 5:14 PM EDT
      Reply

      Having only been through one disaster involving flooding and evacuation, I don't understand why, if people chose to stay rather than evacuate, they didn't stock up on food and water. When you have people who refuse to leave, then need to be rescued, you put the lives of first responders in danger.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 9:57 AM EDT

      I'm wondering why the common citizenry see a need to drive at all...Why not stay home and avoid all the aggravation?

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:14 AM EDT

      lyn and hot....umm because either would require common sense perhaps? dont know for sure just snowballin here....

      • 5 votes
      #4.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:32 AM EDT

      Lynn-2370302===That's life and that's people. I did the same for Katrina. I didn't want to leave the farm to the looters. You wouldn't believe how many people think that a thin screen TV would help them survive.

      • 3 votes
      #4.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:21 AM EDT

      

      It's called humor. Get to know it. Make it your friend.

      No we can see the difference apparently the RNC is still paying the trolls

      • 1 vote
      #4.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:37 AM EDT

      If that were true, I'd quit my real job.

      • 2 votes
      #4.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:47 AM EDT

      People that choose to remain in their homes , when warnings that danger is immenent are taking a big chance . I also agree that if they choose to stay put and ride out the storm , then they really should take extra efforts to stock up on nesessary supplies ( ie food, water, gasoline, generators etc.) .

      After the storm passes there is no where to go anyway , until the roads are cleared and power restored.

      • 3 votes
      #4.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

      It is because city people do not think beyond the normal of the government will do everything. Surprised the mayor couldn't tell the storm to go away hey that is life. You were gloating over other people losing their homes. You thought it was funny when it was happening to people in states with republican governors. Not so freaking funny now when it is your turn. I remember liberals telling us we deserved to lose our homes. Well I'm sorry that you suffered but immediate relief isn't possible. Try reading a hurricane preparedness handbook sometime if you are going to live on a coastline. You would have bought everything you needed to survive until help could come. It is what we do every year.

      • 6 votes
      #4.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:19 PM EDT

      Lonereb--AMEN, and I live in a state with a DEM Governor. (But a PUB legislature!)

      At 62, living in south central MO, I no longer risk getting out in snow covered conditions, so YEARS ago I bought a Kerosene stove, and 2 cases of 'fake logs', and every year when fall hits, I start 'stocking up' my pantry and deep freeze with extra food so that when (as happened 6 or so years ago, we get TRAPPED in our subdivision by a huge Snow storm) bad weather hits, I'm prepared. I have flash lights in every room, and extra batteries. And that is the SMART thing to do.

      • 8 votes
      #4.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:04 PM EDT

      breadX - go back inside your little cave and YOU quit being a Troll. Please see Comment 3.7

      MOmaid & Lonereb- Responsibility for oneself and family is the family responsibility GREAT JOB and Post! Anytime a person must rely on the Federal Government, is only after all things that could be done by the individual, the local community and state gov. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Ben Franklin

      • 3 votes
      #4.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:41 PM EDT

      lonereb~ yep. Texas took in over 200,000 New Orleans evacuees for years. When Ike hit us in 2008 we were totally ignored. Just got our FEMA $$ last month. I was visiting my friend up north and the pharmacist had no idea what I was talking about when I said I needed to call my doctor for prescriptions b/c of Ike. He said Ike ..who is Ike. The Gulf Coast sends support b/c we know what it is like. The biggest help is the linemen to get the power on. How can they if the dumbasses won't let them help if they aren't union? It is like Nagan in New Orleans. He is who messed up Katrina relief. Texas drove school busses to New Orleans and brought them here. Also---where are the search and rescue dogs? Why isn't the president airlifting water and food to Staten Island??? This really is like Katrina, which by the way means Biloxi. New Orleans got the press b/c their levees broke.

      • 3 votes
      #4.10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 8:14 PM EDT
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      If millions of people are in need of gas 12 million gallons is not really going to help. People waiting in lines all night long and find out there is no gas or rationing makes no sense. Hundreds of thousands have no power, water, gas, cars, food, lodging. Where is all this help the government is supposed to be sending? This administration is lagging in every situation home and abroad.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

      Alan instead of complaining about everything, what are you going to do help?

      • 4 votes
      #5.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

      dont know about alan but i plan to help by staying out of the way................

      • 6 votes
      #5.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

      IA.ScooterTramp LOL don't forget the cooler of beer while your watching them work :)

        #5.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:05 AM EDT

        ..

          #5.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

          We had a visit from Hurricane Isaac this year down in New Orleans. Now that catknocked out all kinds of power lines. I don't know what is worse the storm or not having electricity. It was hot and miserable as hell. It seems that it takes forever to get help but help is on the way.

          • 1 vote
          #5.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:30 AM EDT

          Here Alan maybe I can explain it to you since you seem challenged. This will help in the interim while the normal supplies needed are back functioning. You see that supply line has been interrupted by this great big storm we just endured and it will take some time for the supply lines to get back into full function. Add to that the power is off and many are using gasoline to power their generators and this is and added burden on an already stressed supply line. This was requested by the people in need and approved by the administration as are all requests and you rotten statement about this adminostration is uncalled for.

          • 2 votes
          #5.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:43 AM EDT

          Hurricane handbook Fill gastank and get cash from bank ATM and gas pumps do not work without power. Stock up at least three days of non perishable food and water for all in household. Have battery operated radio and lights. Fill bathtub with water to flush toilet. Don't you grocery stores hand these out every spring and didn't your paper print it as the storm approached. Ours do. You can actually expect FEMA in about a week. They will then fill out your forms for the low interest loan to cover what your insurance didn't. You did have flood insurance right no other insurance covers floods?

          • 7 votes
          #5.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

          Alan--FEMA, under G. Bush got HAMMERED for lack of planning/poor execution of relief, and the BLAME was places on Bush's shoulders. In fact, one of Obama's stump speeches back in '08 was that BUSH was such a poor manager that he, Barack Obama, could have done MUCH better.

          The fact is, trying to coordinate the relief efforts from SEVERAL states away is a poor use of money.

          And the mighty Obama, who promised to "not be like Bush" is once again, developing a Texas accent.

          Like it or not, the GOVERNMENT is not only not the BEST solution to problems, sometimes it gets in the way of the marginally Better solution.

          I feel desperately sorry for the people hit by this storm. But the immediate expectation the the 'government will '' fix it'' ' is part of what is wrong with this country.

          Sometimes, the government CANNOT fix it. And many times, the problem is that people lived with their heads in the sand, ignoring the problem, and did nothing on their own to put into place solutions BEFORE the inevitable happened.

          • 5 votes
          #5.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:12 PM EDT

          Breadex--the fact is that NY and the north east had a 'warning' last year with a lesser hurricane, and chose to ignore all the warnings on this one.

          I cannot work up a whole lot of sympathy for people who ignored the warnings, and did nothing to prepare. I keep seeing (on TV) one weeping woman who sobs that she has nothing, no clothes, no food to eat, and I keep wondering how was she living BEFORE?

          Evidently hand to mouth.

          And I thought our economy was doing BETTER?

          • 5 votes
          #5.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:18 PM EDT

          For all of you who say that we should have been prepared, most of us were. Our cars and gas cans were filled, as well as the generator. We had food in our refrigerator & pantries. Unfortunately we had not idea that days later we would have no access to more gas. Most people in the suburbs do not have 30 gal gas tanks. We had to use our supplies and now we are tired. Tired of waiting hours in line for gas, tired of trying to find milk and tired of being very cold. Given the size of the storm, there was no where to evacute to. Most people in the Zone A areas did leave.

          Take your false sympathy and shove it.

          • 1 vote
          #5.10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

          New York and New Jersey …Temperatures dropping....

          Still no Power in thousands of homes and no fix in site for weeks for many

          Gas lines over 6 hours long

          People "Dumpster Diving" for food

          People defecating in the halls of their apartment

          Bodies still be found every day

          Work crews coming from Alabama to help and turned away because they were non-union

          The Mayor of New York saying then NYC Marathon would go on (which would have kicked out people who have lost their homes for the runners, taken generators moved to Central park for the runners and away from people who need power, first responders reassigned to do traffic control and pick up fat runners who over-exerted themselves rather than help the people impacted by Sandy) - luckily the UPROAR over this idiotic decision was so loud the Mayor reversed his stupid decision (Oh, and he made another stupid decision - He endorsed Obama and banned drinks over 16oz!)

          And where is the President - after a quick Photo-Op he fly’s off to do fundraisers *for himself* and to campaign *for himself*. This is WORSE than Katrina!!!

          And don’t get me going on the Benghazi cover-up. Obama is going down over that whether he is re-elected or not. So a vote for Obama is really a vote for Joe Biden. Do you really want that numbskull running the country!?

          • 2 votes
          #5.11 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

          When some people buy 5.00 dollars worth you know this is panic buying. They are lucky they have a home and a garage to put the car in. It's shameful to complain about gas for your car when others no longer have a home at all. Call your employer and tell him to wait.

            #5.12 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:53 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarJeanne Donaldsonvia Facebook

            I don't know what those who play the blame game, bring politics into this disaster. When millions of people are invloved in an area this size you can't expect instant relief. It is impossible, even with the best efforts. People who did not evacuate when told or did not prepare themselves with enough supplies to last a couple weeks complicate the problems by having to be rescued from their stupidity by taking people away from the task at hand. They are in the way.

            Next time, and you can expect a next time, pay attention! If you must stay, be prepared with 2 weeks dried and canned foods, drinking water, camp stove and fuel to run it, 5 or 6 five gallon cans of gas to run a generator if you have one and fill your cars gas tank. Fill bathtubs with water, get new plastic garbage cans and fill them flushing and washing. Check out your insurance policies and make sure you have adequate coverage for disasters...Just think what "smaller government " would give you, the private sector?? Ha!

            • 1 vote
            #5.13 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:34 PM EST

            Alan - thanks for your positive comments. Some people are never satisfied.

              #5.14 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:34 PM EST
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              Don't you just love all these people who complain about everything but when it comes time to help where are they?

              • 6 votes
              Reply#6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

              Like NATO? Or the UN?

                #6.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:15 AM EDT

                In some ways

                  #6.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:19 AM EDT

                  Sounds like Obama to me.

                  • 4 votes
                  #6.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:35 AM EDT

                  KevinT I probably would have said close to the same thing except make the ending "Romney" :)

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:57 AM EDT

                  BAD SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT- MARXIST I TELL YOU! BROUGHT TO YOU BE THE LIBERAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

                  Romney /Ryan same ole Republican BS different ticket - don't tell me your going to fall fot it again especally after Bush/Chaney almost took you out completly. After all you're still paying for their total destruction agendas of 2000/2004. I won't list the screw-ups, too many to mention and you already know what they were.

                  CAREFULL WHAT YOU WISH FOR - AMERICAS TOO FRAGILE TO TAKE ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PUNCH TO THE GUT.

                  • 3 votes
                  #6.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:22 AM EDT

                  Honest Dave-6698650==Go back to bed you landed in the wrong time zone. The discussion was about Hurricane Sandy and the people that was in it's path. The storm had no political agenda.

                  • 5 votes
                  #6.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

                  Like NATO? Or the UN?

                  OMG do I smell a John Bircher?

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:45 AM EDT

                  Yes ,,,leave the politics out of this one please ,,,,!

                  • 3 votes
                  #6.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:53 AM EDT

                  breadex The UN wants to monitor our election and Obama is OK with that. My attorney general says he will enforce the 100 foot rule in the state and arrest any UN worker within 100 ft of a polling place.

                  • 3 votes
                  #6.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

                  lonereb - The UN has been monitoring US elections since 2004. All they do is observe, thats it, nothing else.

                    #6.10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:09 PM EDT

                    Does that include the other poll watchers or just the U.N.?

                      #6.11 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:56 PM EDT
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                        Reply#7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

                        Does anyone know if the musicians helped out at all with the cleanup or were they just there to perform? I think if they helped with the cleanup that might put a different light on things, wouldn't you?

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

                        Well i suppose they could but would you want them operating a piece of heavy equiptment near you? ... not me...:)

                        • 7 votes
                        #8.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:38 AM EDT

                        IA.ScooterTramp well you have a point there but they can do other things. There good at standing in one spot for awhile signing a song so they should be able to stand in one spot and direct traffic or something :)

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                        I think watching a guy waving his arms and wearing a tuba would cause more accidents than it would prevent.

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:05 AM EDT

                        Yeah what deadbeats. All they did was raise tons of money for the victims of the storm. Shame on them.

                        • 2 votes
                        #8.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

                        Would you rather have Bruce Springsteen help you move your flooded furniture out to the front yard, or raise millions of dollars that will help you restore your home later?

                        • 3 votes
                        #8.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:11 AM EDT

                        Robert619===Do you actually think that the people will see any of that money? Get real please.

                        • 3 votes
                        #8.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:37 AM EDT

                        As mentioned earlier, it was a "feel good" gesture from a bunch of performers. Money raised will be used for the "American Red Cross" .

                        Who knows how it will be distributed ??? Like many other charatible insitutions I believ it gets absorbed in operations costs

                          #8.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:05 PM EDT

                          Most of the cleanup if you want it done before Christmas will be done by the people themselves. I know. I cleaned up for my house and a friends house after a couple of hurricanes. Chainsaws buckets and mops in the hands of property owners will do more work than city workers. City workers will pick it up after you cut it into nice neat 24 inch long pieces.

                          • 2 votes
                          #8.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:34 PM EDT

                          Tucsand--no idea if Bon Jovi or Springsteen et al 'helped with the clean up.' I do know that they have (those two at least) been good examples of making it on your own, and giving back afterwards. I would bet that BOTH are richer than Romney, and both are DEMS, but that is OK if you are a Dem, right?

                          In all the news coverage on this, the people I DO NOT feel sorry for are the ones I see who are in their homes, shoveling sludge out, boarding over broken windows, etc, instead of standing in front of interviewers whining.

                          For THOSE folks, I feel admiration.

                          And as a person whose house burned down 8 years ago, I know that you just have to soldier on.

                          And if you wait around for 'someone else' to come do it for free, it's going to be a LOOOONG wait.

                          • 6 votes
                          #8.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:27 PM EDT
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                          By the way Good Morning everyone hope your having a wonderful weekend?

                            Reply#9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:26 AM EDT

                            good morning to you as well......as for a good day.... well she IS still in bed ....so thus-far.........

                            • 2 votes
                            #9.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

                            IA.ScooterTramp

                            Good to hear your doing okay.

                              #9.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:55 AM EDT
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                              President Barack Obama, who is back on the campaign trail after touring the disaster zone this week, met Saturday morning with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Federal Emergency Management Agency director Craig Fugate and others to discuss the storm response.

                              Right touring for a few hours that day then off to campaigning in Vegas again then holding a meeting only this morning after being blistered with criticism for his promise "cutting of government red tape." Again leadership from behind by not following up sooner.

                              Give to the Red Cross as I have done and other charities directly involved in this time of need.

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:32 AM EDT

                              And what more would you have him do? He has thrown every available resource of the federal government at the problem. Obama's presence would only hinder the operation because of security concerns getting in the way of relief efforts. There aren't any complaints from Bloomberg and Christie on how Obama is handling the matter. By the way ~ what part of New Jersey, New York, or Virginia do you live in? If you are not directly affected, please keep your biased opinions to yourself.

                              • 9 votes
                              #10.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

                              Ok so you got your dig and than want a pat on the back to boot, go figure. Guess you thought nobody would read about your donation with out politicizing it, Huh?

                              • 2 votes
                              #10.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:10 AM EDT

                              Give up Jim. They would criticize him regardless. Ignorance is nothing if not persistent. Donating Is a good idea. If you want 100% of your donation to go to the effort, Team Rubicon is amazing. All volunteer military vets.

                              • 4 votes
                              #10.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

                              6dogs aren't you the same people who two years ago were telling Texans they deserved to lose their houses to fire because you blamed us for the congressional representative from Minnesota? Why should we be all weepy. Because you learned nature doesn't care what party your mayor is.

                                #10.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:38 PM EDT

                                Tad--in fairness, I'd imagine the 'first responders' are glad Obama has left the area, as they did not need the 'traffic' management of coping with a visit by Potus and his security.

                                That said, heading straight from there to 'sin City' was NOT a good call. He could be giving press conference on the WH lawn about who to donate to, what to donate, etc.

                                BUT--that might involve some pesky reporters asking inconvenient questions about who knew what and when on Behghazi-gate--and Obama SURE doesn't want to have to answer THOSE before the election.

                                • 4 votes
                                #10.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:33 PM EDT

                                6 dogs

                                Been reading your posts of late and it seems someone pi$$3d in your cornflakes, usually, you have constructive criticism WTF,Over?

                                  #10.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:51 PM EDT
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                                  I guess my thought is, first, if you choose not to evacuate, you should at least have basic food, water and medical supplies. And second, are you really in a position to complain that no one has gotten to you? I read an article that the National Guard and other first responders have been going door to door, checking to see if there is anyone in need of help. In a city the size of NYC that will necessarily take a while. When we have a winter storm/blizzard warning, and living all h3ll and gone from civilization, I have sense enough to check the water supply (and fill water jugs, if needed), be sure there is food I can prepare and have enough gasoline to run the generator at least one hour a day for 14 days. If you don't have a fire place or wood stove for heat (along with the wood to burn), why on earth would you not evacuate? I just don't get it.

                                  • 11 votes
                                  Reply#11 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:34 AM EDT

                                  I have sense enough

                                  pretty much answered you own question Annie, so you do get it........

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #11.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:44 AM EDT

                                  There will always be those for their own reasons who will refuse to evacuate regardless of the dangers and risks the storm brings. Some are not capable of physically do so with the elderly and sick who may not have anyone to help them. Others just plain will not leave their earthly possessions at risk by evacuating. Many of these people aren't prepared for what's about to happen to them.

                                  The most difficult to convince are the much older folks as I have experienced while working during a hurricane. Many although physically capable, they refuse to leave their homes with some having to be dragged out of their homes by concerned relatives.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #11.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                                  There is a few reasons why they did not evacuate. 12 million people, where to evacuate them to. These people have very little experience with hurricanes. They did not know how much power is in one.

                                  This site is not reporting on what is really going on in NY city. People are starving, dumpster diving, some have no clothes, food or shelter. Dead bodies are being found, death toll now over 100.

                                  This is a bad situation, and turning into another Katrina or worse.

                                  • 7 votes
                                  #11.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:47 AM EDT

                                  You're absolutely right Kevin, evacuating millions of people is a logistical nightmare with not enough facilities to house them safely.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #11.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:51 AM EDT

                                  In some ways you're right, even though the exact location of where the storm was going was not known until a day or so away from landfall there was plenty of time to stock up on supplies but what if you don't have the money and you live pay check to pay check as most people do then you can't afford a supply of food to store.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #11.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

                                  If you bought an extra can or 2 of food per week over a short period you would have extra food. even living pay check to pay check there are ways to do things. I gotta admit it is a slow process but one can get ahead.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #11.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

                                  Exactly, 6 dogs. I realize there will always be those - especially the elderly, the disabled and those who are alone - who simply cannot evacuate. But (and there is always that but) even pay check to pay check, $5-10 a month would at least give you several cans of vegetables, soup, tuna, crackers that would prevent having to dumpster dive to live. I feel for those who have lost family and friends, and who have lost all that they have worked for. But (again the but) I have no worldly possessions I would be willing to die for. None. Nada.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #11.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:37 PM EDT

                                  Hurricane season starts on June 1st people. If you don't realize all coastlines and especially all islands are vunerable you better move inland. For now hot hands packs and sterno are wonderful inventions. One hot hands pack in an inside pocket will help keep you warm for 6 hours and they come in packs of 6.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #11.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:41 PM EDT

                                  Lone reb--yep. The sad thing is, ONE problem with having a 'society' that depends so much on the GOVERNMENT for every thing is that when government cannot do anything, they have NO notion of how to survive on their own.

                                  And one sad thing about a society that congregates so HEAVILY in areas on the coast that are vulnerable to mother nature is that the ones who were already living on government support will be the ones who are hurt worst.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #11.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:39 PM EDT

                                  I'd give odds many (most?) people did stock up and food and water. Sadly, much of this was destroyed in the combination of hurricane, storm surge, and-in places-fire.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #11.10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:43 PM EDT

                                  Momaid, as someone born in Missouri, I have to to say you are a idiot. The East Coast has some of the richest people in the country. The majority of us are not on gov't support.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #11.11 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:46 PM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  your gonna make it east coast !!!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#12 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

                                  I'm more surprised the musicians found the right coast to go to :)

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#13 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:47 AM EDT

                                  tucsand--I don't know about the rest of them, but Jon Bon Jovi has a long history of giving back to New Jersey. Whether the Dems like it or not, (and he IS a Dem!) he DID make his money himself, and has maintained his career over 25 years (as a 50 year old!) by constantly changing with the times.

                                  And he has established Charites all over, and one of his most recent was to open a restaurant that serves really good food, where if you can't afford to pay, you can 'work it off' by sweeping the floors, filling the salt shakers, etc. And he has been a steady contributor to charities all over his home state of New Jersey, is STILL married to his 'high school honey' and still LIVES there.

                                  Bon Jovi has had his eyes wide open his whole life, and is very down to earth. But make no mistake--

                                  He DID BUILD THAT.

                                  And like Mitt Romney, he has a long history of 'giving back'.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #13.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:44 PM EDT

                                  The only thing Mitt has a history of giving back to is the Mormon church.

                                    #13.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:42 PM EST
                                    Reply

                                    What? Everything is not alright in paradise? I thought the Ultimate Jew, Bloombergstein, Governor Tuna and President Jive Ass had everything under control. Give me a huge f.......ing break.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#14 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

                                    Thanks for showing us how to insult three different people in one sentence who are trying their best to fix a major problem. Takes a real idiot to be able to do that.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #14.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:53 AM EDT

                                    Breadex--while I agree with you on the insult part--WHERE was Bloomberg, or Cuomo, or EVEN Obama with his 'shovel ready' ''stimulus" jobs, in updating and modernizing the infra structure of NYC and surrounding areas?

                                    We have known for DECADES that it needed to be done.

                                    Talking to my son last night, he had NO Idea that over 30 years ago, there was a black out in the NE that lasted for a long time, (remember the baby boom 9 months later?) but he DID know, having LIVED in New York for a brief time in 2004 that the pipes in many of those old buildings are lead, and crumbling, and so are the ones in the ground.

                                    And remember, NY is a DEM state. Where is the government? OOPS. There are some things that the GOVERNMENT cannot do.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #14.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:49 PM EDT
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                                    I,m surprised the greedy assed , self serving, 3 to do the work of 1, electrical union goons let the US Air Force bring in those loaned electrical trucks from other states. Did they demand that the Air Force airmen join the greedy assed union before unloading?

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#15 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

                                    I was shocked too when I learned about what the electrical union had done. Bunch of heartless sociopaths. No sympathy from me if they fry on a high wire.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #15.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:06 AM EDT

                                    @truthfinder3 #15: They also agreed to let Canada send an envoy of Hydro workers (now assisting in all five States) to help them to restore the power. (Doubtful if you will read that in any American press release though.)

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #15.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

                                    I'm sure the union guys are still smiling all the way to the bank. Quit sucking the Bong and learn something.

                                      #15.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

                                      Union guys still turning away non-union electrical linemen from other states? We sent help you didn't want it.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #15.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:54 PM EDT
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                                      I really find something interesting,,,, if obama was a republican, than we would hear junk like why can he send gas in from other states,,,ya know why,, he's only for the black people,,, the east coast is mostly white and he dosent like whitey...... oh ya you would now and you know it,,,also be plastered all over the main streem media,,,but because he a democrat,,he gets a pass, well enjoy it cause his free ride is almost over,,,

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#16 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:59 AM EDT

                                      Sort of in a metaphor here President Obama has been a pretty good republican president, he passed most republican bills sent to him.

                                        #16.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:02 AM EDT

                                        Joee:

                                        He is sending gas from federal stockpiles, and relaxing shipping rules to allow foreign ships to carry fuel from the Gulf of Mexico to the NY/NJ area? What was your point?

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                                        #16.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

                                        Ignore these idiots they are right wing trolls in their last attempt to sway voters into voting for a guy who will not even win the state he was governor in. They have to go negative cause thats what they do. They been harassing Obama since the day he was nominated! Not since he became president but the day he was nominated. One fool even posted the worst president ever line three days before the inaguration shows how smart they are.

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                                        #16.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:58 AM EDT

                                        breadex that is exactly how your people blogged when we were losing our homes What goes around comes around dude. Your liberal friends on these sites said we deserved to lose our homes because the people of Texas were responsible for Michelle Bachman the representative from Minnesota? Your people on these sites didn't care about our people why are we supposed to get all weepy about you? You special or something?

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                                        #16.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

                                        Joe--well, it IS interesting that none of the states affected the worst by this are EITHER swing or PUB states, true?

                                        Obama doesn't have to worry about these states voting for him.

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                                        #16.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:52 PM EDT

                                        Breadx--sorry, but I'm a former Obama voter who also voted for Kerry, Gore, and Clinton TWICE.

                                        The thing is, Obama pointed to BUSH's poor handling of Katrina as something he would not do, and now he is faced with the fact that DESPITE his belief that the government is the BE ALL end ALL answer to every glitch that ever happens to ANYONE, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is NOT the Be all-end all.

                                        He, NOR Bush, is the best person to 'manage' the recovery from disasters.

                                        Neither deserves/d the CREDIT, nor the BLAME.

                                        But if it was fair for him to blame BUSH for Katrina, then Sandy belongs to Obama.

                                        And I'd imagine those shoes are feeling a tad tight right now, and are going to shrink even more in the next several months as he discovers that HE isn't God EITHER.

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                                        #16.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:09 PM EDT
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                                        Why are they needing all that gasoline? Aren't those the same people who keep telling the rest of us that we should get Public Transportation like they have and stay out of our cars?

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                                        Reply#17 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

                                        Ok genius do you really think that public transportation is back up and running in the affected areas and BTW buses use gas also.

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                                        #17.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:00 PM EDT

                                        Anne-394054 - and a lot of that gasoline is probably for generators.

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                                        #17.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

                                        Yes those are the people who want us to pay from our gasoline taxes for their mass transit. I have yet to see a trolley stop at the corner of cornfield and soybean field.

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                                        #17.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:52 PM EDT
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                                        dmdowningDeleted

                                        I know this is a terrible time ... but from here I just keep thinking what kind of help ... will actually help... people in these areas hit so drastically are honestly going to have to leave.. you can't live in houses that are destroyed.. they have to find some where else to live... no entity can help you in the place that is destroyed... you have to find someplace else to live until the rebuilding can start.. you can't pick through the debris it has to be scooped up and moved...

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                                        Reply#19 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:02 AM EDT

                                        These musicians remind me of the Titanic before it went down....kinda' like the Obama flotilla n a couple of days. What else could Obama do during this time of tragedy? Ask those millions of people without electricity and have him explain to them why only union workers are allowed to restore the power.

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                                        Reply#20 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:03 AM EDT

                                        The folks who are getting the free stuff don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the freestuff and their own stuff.

                                        And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff want thefree stuff to stop.

                                        And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

                                        Now... the people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff that the people who are PAYING for thefree stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

                                        So... the people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff and giving them thefree stuff in the first place.

                                        We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

                                        Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and250 years after being founded. The reason?

                                        The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

                                        The United States officially became a Republic in 1776,236 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that in 2012. Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it..

                                        ELECTION 2012 IS COMING

                                        A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

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                                        Reply#21 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

                                        The country became a democracy in 1776 too. When more than 50% says they need assistance, then they get assistance.

                                          #21.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

                                          (David N.'s wife here.) @ 9fingers #21: The truth of the matter is, GDP (Gross Domestic Product per capita) is actually based on Government spending. In other words, 'a country's standard of living' (GDP) is measured by what is spent by the Government and not measured by the outcome of the expenditure nor where the money comes from. For example, if the Government spends $100.00 then the GDP goes up $100.00 OR if they spend ten million dollars on a ship that is now rusting on the bottom of the ocean it still counts as a rise in GDP because ....... the Government spent ten million dollars on it.

                                          In summary: most castrophies boost an economy, war boosts an economy, even those who are on welfare and receive handouts (as you put it) all play a part when measuring a country's standard of living. In a nutshell most of the woes are caused by the way the GDP is calculated that being "government spending counts at what it costs, not what value it produces". Until it changes, things will remain the same and it doesn't really matter what Government party is at the helm.

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                                          #21.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:51 AM EDT

                                          And a nation who think about reelecting the people who sunk the ship for the entire world is a nation of fools.

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                                          #21.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

                                          BreadX

                                          That statement cuts both ways - BO needs to be voted out and go back to becoming a Community Organizer in Chicago. Besides, Chi town says it is missing the other Village Idiot and BO fits the bill alongside Rahm.

                                          Bo done sunk the ship to the tune of $16 Trillion and I am tired of paying for all the "free stuff" that 9 fingers posted in #21

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                                          #21.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

                                          Rob99- (and it sounds like your name is PERFECT) actually, we are NOT technically a 'true' democracy. and the fact is, sorry, but the constitution PROTECTS minorities (in this case, the 1%ers, or even the 49% who actually PAY income taxes) from the MAJORITY wanting to take everything.

                                          And it is NOT the 'ones who WANT the free stuff' who get to decide whether they GET free stuff.

                                          And as a wise person once said, ''democracy FAILS when those who WORK for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for their living."

                                          Or, to Quote Margaret Thatcher: "pretty soon you run out of OTHER people's money."

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                                          #21.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:24 PM EDT

                                          Jack from Jax--sorry, while I agree with you that Obama needs to be voted out, he did NOT put us in debt $16 trillion--only (whoo, should THAT ONLY be in quotes!) $6 trillion.

                                          And he did have a lot of help.

                                          But the fact is, he promised to 'not be like Bush' and yet he ran up our debt at TWICE the Rate that Bush did, despite supposedly being able to save from getting us out of Iraq. (RIGHT ON Bush's timetable, I might add, just as the withdrawal from IRAQ is right on Bush's timetable.)

                                          I voted for Obama last time, but it's obvious that he is not the Answer. Maybe Romney is not, either.

                                          But it is a stupid person who keeps the status quo and expects the results to change.

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                                          #21.6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:30 PM EDT

                                          and it is a stupid person that votes for someone has the same ideas that sent us down into the mess that we are coming out of. If it wasn't for the dumb a** TP we would be further along in our recovery.

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                                          #21.7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:59 PM EDT
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                                          So, all those officials are going to meet almost a week after the fact to figure out a way to respond? Hasn't that train already left the station?

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                                          Reply#22 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:05 AM EDT

                                          No it has not it is even going to tak longer than that to actually ascertain the exact extent of the damage and make out the best plan for full recovery. Right now its do the best you can with what you got. At least this time we do not have Bush and Brownie in the act.

                                            #22.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

                                            Bread X

                                            And the farmer took another load away - you can tell by the smell it wasn't hay -Bull Shat!

                                            No, this time you have Stinky BO and Axelgrease in the act.

                                              #22.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:07 PM EDT

                                              Breadex--make no mistake, no matter WHO wins this election, or even the next one, there will NEVER be a "full recovery".

                                              New Orleans was faced with the fact that most of the 9th ward would never be rebuilt. MO had bad floods in the 90s that RUINED farmland. (Ok, in 50 years, that MIGHT recover).

                                              The people who lived on Staten Island will NOT (most of them) be able to afford to rebuild there.

                                              My house burned 8 years ago, and even tho it was 'fully insured' (at 150% of its purchase price) to rebuild it (EVEN though the foundation was OK) would cost WAY more than that, something that I could have never afforded. I moved, and moved on.

                                              Like it or not, our government cannot 'fix' everything.

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                                              #22.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:36 PM EDT
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                                              So far, so good. When people ask me if I wake up grumpy in the morning, I reply "Nope. I let her sleep."

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                                              Reply#23 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:06 AM EDT

                                              Hmmm I usually say if someone asks if I wake up grumpy "Test me" :)

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                                              #23.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:13 AM EDT
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                                              I was reading all the things citizens were going through since the Sandy disaster. No power, no food, no water, no transportation,etc. Then in the middle essential services it had on MSN the Casino in Atlantic City will open on Friday. Is that the most important thing the people need operational right now??

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                                              Reply#24 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

                                              The casinos employ thousands. Those that can will be able to get back to work and resume taking care of their families. They were for the most part, largely unscathed, They were just waiting on the okay to re-open.

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                                              #24.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:30 AM EDT

                                              Opening the casinos in Atlantic City doesn't harm the recovery effort, and it helps those who work there by restoring their income. I don't know how many people will be going to play there, but that's their problem.

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                                              #24.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

                                              SMK--Hmmm--the 'dirty, nasty, 1 %ers who own the Casinos actually PLANNED for Hurricanes, had emergency procedures in place, and are ready to be up and running PROVIDING JOBS, and money to people in the area?

                                              Ohs, NOES! You mean the bad guys aren't such bad guys after all????

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                                              #24.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:41 PM EDT
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                                              I feel for the victims of this storm! What I notice, what other country has come forward to lend a hand, or help? Or even offer to help? I don't even hear any european government saying they would help. Yet, we the United States are right there immediately to help all these other countries. I think we need to slow down our help when other have disasters!

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                                              Reply#25 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:14 AM EDT

                                              Scott, whether the people stayed or why they stayed isn't a concern, I wouldn't think, the concern should be they're people in trouble and need help.

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                                              #25.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

                                              The US almost never accepts help from other nations even after disasters like this because it would give the impression that we can't handle everything ourselves. Canada did send some utility workers to Vermont from
                                              Quebec to help restore power, but that was in answer to a request from local officials in Vermont. I guess Vermont isn't too proud to ask for help.

                                                #25.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:39 AM EDT

                                                Scott.. this was well said. Where are all these other countries that we help on a regular basis. Where are they when we need them. Temporarily stop all foreign aid until we can clean up our own mess. Youre the only one that has mentioned the truth !

                                                Where are they ? Where is any help from England to S. America... no one can spare any fuel or help ?

                                                Good question Scott.

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                                                #25.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

                                                (David N.'s wife here.) @Scott #25. FTR, as of Thursday Canada sent an envoy of Hydro crewS (to all five States) to help restore the power, have also topped off blood supplies to where needed etc. etc.

                                                Footnote: The American Press is just not reporting what countries have offered their assistance and understandably so as you have an election coming up. They are very much like their Canadian counterparts as they do have their favourites in Government.

                                                P.S: I'm a Canadian.

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                                                #25.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:12 PM EDT

                                                Also should add from what I read in our news coverage, Canada woud have had their Hydro crews in earlier but it had to be approved by your President (no mention of Unions in the transcripts).

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                                                #25.5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:19 PM EDT
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                                                That right there should have everyone outraged. Crews from all around the country (mostly the South) have been turned away because they are not union. I bet not a single person that has lost power gives a rats ass if the electricians are in a union. The next time the cranky yankees get nailed with a storm guess who will not feel so inclined to lend a hand?

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                                                Reply#26 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:14 AM EDT

                                                UPDATE FROM HUNTSVILLE:

                                                The local (very conservative) News/Talk radio station here (WVNN/770AM) decided to do some further digging. That just had – on the phone – the heads of both the Huntsville Utilities and Joe Wheeler Electric Co-op organizations.

                                                In the case of Joe Wheeler: they ARE a union shop, so that wasn’t even an issue. Their crews were actually sent up ahead of the storm – rode it out in Maryland – and have been working much of the week. The are now coming home as their assignments have been completed.

                                                The Huntsville Crews were en route on Monday, and their bosses were working to try and get them a destination while they were still on the road. They were ‘turned down’ initially from one location simply because that area had plenty of help already. They are now in the Long Island area and expecting to work today. It seems their biggest problem was in trying to find an under-manned area, but they claim to have had no union issues.

                                                The radio station has not (yet) heard from the Decatur (AL) Utilities bosses, but that’s 2 of the 3 groups that were supposedly involved here, and neither of those crews are reporting any union-related rejections.

                                                In fact, one of the directors on the phone indicated that they were working through trade associations – not unions representatives – to get their assignments. But it would seem that the original WAFF report is falling apart.

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                                                #26.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:38 AM EDT

                                                THANK GOD you clarified that. I find it HARD to believe this non-union BS. I am SO SICK of people believing hearsay. That's what is SOOOO wrong with this country.

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                                                #26.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

                                                Uuuummmmm, let me guess; the rebels???

                                                  #26.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 12:12 PM EDT
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