Nanny charged in stabbing deaths of two children on New York's Upper West Side

Carlo Allegri / REUTERS

A girl looks at a makeshift memorial left outside the Krim family apartment in New York on Oct. 28.

NEW YORK -- Police say they've charged an Upper West Side nanny with murder in the stabbing deaths of two young children under her care last month.

Yoselyn Ortega, 50, was arrested and charged with two counts each of murder in the first and second degrees in the stabbing deaths of two children in her care, Lucia Krim, age 6, and her 1-year-old brother, Leo, on Oct. 25.

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Leo's second birthday would have been Oct. 30.


Ortega was recuperating from knife wounds to her neck at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, where she had been under police guard since the stabbing deaths.

She agreed to speak with NYPD detectives Saturday afternoon from her bedside, and was formally arrested and charged after 6 p.m.

A third sibling was with their mother when the killings happened. The mother returned home to discover her children dead and Ortega bleeding.

Ortega remains hospitalized under police guard. She worked for the Krim family for two years. 

Jonathan Dienst is WNBC's chief investigative correspondent. This article includes reporting from The Associated Press.

The New York nanny who police say fatally stabbed two children in her care was reportedly enduring financial problems and seeking professional help. NBC's Mara Schiavocampo reports.

 

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Shouldn't this read "formally arrested" instead of "formerly arrested"?

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#1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:20 PM EDT
Comment author avatarmar in coloradoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

um TRIXIE 3397782, I think you best look it up in the dictionary, it is written right, no such spelling in dictionary formally, its formerly, meaning past<<< in this instance was charged formerly, past not present. !!!!!

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#1.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:59 AM EST

Excuse me, mar in Colorado, It is YOU who are error, along with the 'journalist' who wrote the piece.

She was FORMALLY charged with the crimes. This happens when the law personnel are done talking about charging her, and actually read her the Miranda Rights and inform her FORMALLY that she is under arrest.

The word is formal. It means 'official'. You know...a black tie gig, tuxedo, long dress..that type of thing. A prom. An award ceremony. A 'formal' garden...

FORMER, however, means somthing which came before. As in...I was not always a college graduate. I was forMERly a student!

By the way, if you found no such spelling in your dictionary as 'formally', I would suggest you get yourself a new dictionary. Apparently that page is missing in the one you have!

PS. Maybe you should make sure before you slap someone that you are not the one needing slapping!

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#1.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 5:05 AM EST

baschnagel ---Thank you!! I was just about to put an end to these two when I read your comment. Good grief, is anyone in this country passing the 7th grade anymore?

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#1.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 6:12 AM EST

No, because our gov has done such a good job dumbing down the teachers and students

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#1.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 6:32 AM EST

No, thye only need to be smarter than a 5th grader to win on TV.

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#1.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 6:34 AM EST

baschnagel - Thanks, well said

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#1.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:37 AM EST

I think she was formidably arrested.....they roughed her up a bit when they arrested her

sorry, I couldn't resist

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#1.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:37 AM EST

Um is this article about spelling correction? Or is it about a nanny formally arrested?

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#1.8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:01 AM EST

It is formally. mar in Colorado.......you make no sense.

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#1.9 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:08 AM EST

What happened to simply saying, "Sorry" but I looked it up and it's blah blah rather than bashing someone for being incorrect.

Baschnagel,

Colorado was just trying to help out and in no way was slapping anyone in the face. Man, some people are just so high strung.

Debbie,

Thanks for the correction but to say you make no sense is bashing. Hope you do not speak to your students that way.

dgal,

Yeah right?! Some people seem to come on here just to make themselves look shiny rather than stick to the subject however, it also got me off the subject and this is what happens.... LOL

Have a nice day...

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#1.10 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:40 AM EST

Grammer and smelling police out in force sophrosyne police still missing.

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#1.11 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:48 AM EST
Comment author avatarSheila Mancusovia Facebook

Who cares how they spelled it! Two innocent children are DEAD!!! Hellllloooooo!

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#1.12 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:02 AM EST

Thank you --- if this was a political discussion there would HUNDREDS of posts!

There are two innocent babies who were savagely murdered!!!!

Was this woman (possibly) an immigrant or maybe uneducated, who clearly does not possess the skills or qualifications necessary to take care of children!

Who was she, what is her background and HOW could a mother leave her her babies without having the full information on another human being if that is the case? (!!!) Just to save money by hiring someone who may have a criminal or mental history in their former country (or our own). Fill in the blanks!!!!

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#1.13 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:03 PM EST

MommaBear-

The woman worked for the family for 2 years. You are making an awful lot of assumptions about who this woman was and what the mother was thinking when she hired her. Maybe we should wait for more information before we start attacking the mother. You have absolutely no idea what has been going on in that family for 2 years. Reading an article about it doesn't make you an expert.

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#1.14 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST
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That poor family. The parents must be heartbroken, and what do you tell the last child??

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Reply#2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:41 PM EDT
Comment author avatareuphan123Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

moral of the story, if your financially able to stay at home and take care of your own kids, then do it! dont put some crazy peurto reacan woman in charge of your kids, do it yourself

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#2.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST

euphan, did you just blame the PARENTS? It must be awful to someone as heartless and stupid as you. The parents have three kids and only hired a p/t babysitter when the youngest 3rd child was born nearly 2 years ago. This Dominican immigrant was recommended to the family; she has been in the U.S. for 10 years with her son and is a naturalized citizen. The parents did nothing wrong, except trust someone who flipped out. And that happens everywhere, all across the U.S. - except that it is usually males not females who crack up and start killing everyone in reach.

Btw, in NYC, DC and other urban locales, the babysitters prefer the more upscale "nanny" but they are anything but Mary Poppins.

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#2.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:16 PM EST
Comment author avatarKim Dennisvia Facebook

this woman is just evil and of the devil

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#2.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:31 PM EST
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Comment author avatarJudd-2749800Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

the kids with all their crying and whining probably drove her to it.

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Reply#3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:41 PM EDT

What a horrible thing to say! Did you say this for attention? Or are you just that cold hearted and hate children that much? You should never have children if this is your true stance on this subject. This family and others like them have been through enough hell without deviants like you commenting things like this. Please crawl back in your cave and stay there forever. You are a horrible and bad person.

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#3.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:44 PM EDT

Yeah Judd, because QUITTING wasn't an option?...(dripping sarcasm and a snear, for those who didn't understand).

RIP little ones, hope the parents (and the surviving child) can find peace, as well, someday!

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#3.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:01 PM EDT

What I was trying to say was that maybe the nanny was mentally ill and couldn't take the screaming and crying, etc. It's been known to happen.

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#3.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:01 PM EDT

Again, She had the option to quit, she did not take it. And, stop making up excuses ("maybe the nanny was mentally ill) that are not FACT. She murdered innocent children, period.

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#3.4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:13 PM EDT

@Judd-2749800: If that's what you were trying to say, isn't that what you should have said in the first place?...

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#3.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:46 AM EST

.....No, I heard that the Nanny had financial problems, and was moving in n out of apts, although the family had paid her well. A co-worker of mine said, the Nannys get very well attached to the kids, like there theirs, and she just wanted to take them with her to 'heaven' ....just like these stories, you hear now with their pets (dogs).

    #3.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:44 AM EST

    What as asinine thing to say and what a trollish immature thing to say. You're a jacktard, plain and simple. a pudding dick. An @sshat. A jerk wad, shall I keep going?

    The Nanny admitted to being in financial trouble so instead of quitting she decided to get revenge on her employers who she blame for it by hacking their kids to pieces.

    Jack@ss.

      #3.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:18 AM EST

      You're an ignorant SOB!!!!!!

        #3.8 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:53 PM EST
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        What a horrible and sad situation. I will never understand how anyone could do such bad things to innocent children. Judd's comment should be removed and he/she should not be allowed to ever post again. Just another crazy person probably capable of commiting the same crimes or worse. It is NOT ok to hurt children in ANY manner. It seems like there is more and more being reported in the news about adults and even teens and other children commit hienous crimes against children. Please help protect these innocent angels and watch people like Judd very carefully. In my opinion, and I believe in free speech, but they should NOT be allowed to post such awful things and should be investigated themselves for crimes that they have possibly commited against others and go through psychotherapy to see if they have commited some horrible crime or need to be seperated from normal society. What is this world and our country coming to? It is going to hell in a handbasket and fast!

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        Reply#4 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:51 PM EDT

        Michelle, I didn't like Judd's comment either, but if you claim to be a 'free speech' advocate, why are you calling for banning someones comment just because 'YOU' don't agree with it or it's content? In advocating taking away someone elses rights, which are protected by the Constitution of this country by the way, who's going to be left when 'YOUR' rights, the ones you think are 'right' and you hold dear, are taken away too?...

        Something to ponder.

        Only time I've ever advocated banning a comment is when it's factually wrong, which is common in these threads...

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        #4.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:09 PM EDT

        Well ho ho ANGLEA, do you feel better now, blasting like you did to Mechelle, Free speech is fine, but its how u say it or word it, There is no such call to be nasty, mean, it show iggnorance, and stupidty on ones part. Im sick and tired of people saying That my right to say what ever, in a crul,malicious, filthy manner. Especailly in the news of a child getting murdered, or rape, etc. new name for you angela, Mz, perfect lol

          #4.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:06 AM EST

          Kinder, gentler speech needs no 1st amendment protection, and what Judd said isn't a 1st amendment issue. Free speech was best described with the phrase "I abhor what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it". If you don't think what Judd said is acceptable, report it with the exclamation mark tab. If it's really egregious, the moderator will handle it.

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          #4.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:28 AM EST

          Hey this article is about a nanny getting arrested for her horendous crime, not about 1st Amendment or Free Speech, so stick with the topic...Glad the nanny is arrested, hopefully they will put her away for life and throw away the key...My condolence to the deceased children family...

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          #4.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:07 AM EST

          Are you people kidding or just not smart enough to understand the ramifications of Michelle's post? I suppose you're the types that think 'Patriot Act' is a great law? Giving away our Freedoms OUR forefathers fought and died for, until none are left... It's no wonder our country is circling the drain.

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          #4.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST

          Creek dog,

          mar in Colorado was responded to with the same tone in which he or she approached others. Second, your comment about my students was most inappropriate and out of line and kind of slaps your intended message in the face. With that being said, after reading everything you stated and seeing how you contradicted yourself at least three times, I'm not going to humor you any further because you clearly lack the intelligence you need to carry on this conversation.

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          #4.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:50 AM EST

          Angela, Sick is sick and wrong is wrong. That's why it's illegal to yell fire in a theater.

            #4.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:13 PM EST

            @Debbie....Creek Dog was right why take it in the parking lot and leave this forum alone ......for God 's sake two children were murder and mother got to see them in a horrible scene ,which she will never get it out of her mind for the rest of her life and you are complaining about spelling ......HUH I wonder WHO"S children are you teaching ......

              #4.8 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 5:23 PM EST

              This article is about a crime, not free speech. Just stick to the topic.

                #4.9 - Tue Nov 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST
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                Brilliant analysis. Oh, that happens to be sarcasm.

                  Reply#5 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:52 PM EDT

                  Hmmm wonder if she was here on a work visa, green card or just another illegal

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                  Reply#6 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:52 PM EDT

                  I read another article that stated she has been a US citizen for the last 10 years.

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                  #6.1 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:04 PM EDT

                  If I remember from the other story about this case correctly, she was legal and the parents she was a Nanny for even sponsored her son to come live in the United States...

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                  #6.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:05 PM EDT

                  And I wonder if you're a bigot, racist, or ignoramus? Way to stereotype real quick. What kind of questions do you ask when white, male, US citizens commit mass homicides or go on shooting sprees? This nanny should never see the lights of day again, but your racist comment was uncalled for. You display your lack of education or class. I wonder how much fruit and vegetables you eat that were harvested by "just another illegal?"

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                  #6.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 6:45 AM EST

                  What she means by "just another illegal" is that it shows a great deal of disrespect to blood-born Americans when someone invades their country and kills their kids. If you want to know what she means by "just another illegal" - take a look at your local Mugshots.com to get an idea of what "just another illegal" means to her. While I cannot "formally" speak for her, I certainly get what she means by it. Usually the only ones that are offended are "just other illegals" or supporters, themselves. Meanwhile, life goes on for "just another illegal(s)", while 2 kids are buried by their parents. And most likely she was "just another illegal" or the topic would be quite clear in the article, which it is not.

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                  #6.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:23 AM EST

                  let's all ( Judge Not ) you can talk all day that won't bring those beautiful children back, they are with God now -so let them rest . Let's pray for those parents , they need it more than words can express .

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                  #6.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:07 AM EST

                  -----AND look who has "hired" her regardless of visa/green card/student visa/no visa-- about 34 million live like that here today, thanks to all the ones hiring them so they(EMPLOYER) do not have to pay employment taxes, medical insurance, unemployment taxes, and far below legal min wage---I am so tired of all these comments bashing the immigrants-- the "rich" (at least they think so) are 84 % the ones who hire the illegal people, and they should all be deported with them for failure to pay the taxes and hiring illegals paying them under the table.---But then again I have seen them just about in all the 2600 food plants (animals and human as well as pill factories) and 177 universities I have consulted on making the molecular processes for all food and genetic production, that takes a lot of hand work by simple workers many times.--Thus the same on universities, sometimes using students--in the name of "educating"--all to bennefit corporate America!

                  On the other hand when USA comes to Denmark to get someone like me because they have found out my IQ is over 175, and then lets us wait in a suitcases for a year while "they" process simple paperwork for someone who has already been in NATO for 6 years, then I start to wonder why USA as number 10-12 in living standard on the globe thinks it is such an opportunity to come here in todays world from EU, that people like me want to wait in a suitcase from a country that is number one in living standard and freedom. (On freedom remember the police here shoot and kill 2-3 people every day, and kill another 6-10 in "accidents")

                  But it is very sad for all involved, we need to start checking all people here once a year for all hormone levels,m and we could save thousands of lives, and that includes the other than stress, such as many hormones in imbalance causing cancer.

                  AND do not bother with my English, as I see above, I have enough trouble handling 5 languages, and it is not important to me--in today's world with spell checkers everywhere. You see years ago I was teaching all the tools to the US Engineers that make/manufacture your memory and computer chips (not programming) in the worlds largest computer company, and we started to think about spell check and GPS on the side lines!!

                  To some the above was nasty, but it is time you get the head out of the sand!--And actually get to know the real facts--I have made over 3000 university visits here and CDN as well as EU, , so I have seen a couple of things and can only compare to about 5 people on the globe!--tobacco anyone? you should see the poisons in that too, never mind the smoke----but you all seem to enjoy it, all seem to get you through life faster??

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                  #6.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:58 AM EST

                  What kind of questions do you ask when white, male, US citizens commit mass homicides or go on shooting sprees?

                  Oh, I'll bet you do that all the time. But then, that's politically-correct to do so.

                  This nanny should never see the lights of day again, but your racist comment was uncalled for. You display your lack of education or class. I wonder how much fruit and vegetables you eat that were harvested by "just another illegal?"

                  Gee, it's funny how you get more angry at what the guy said then you do the illegal alien nanny who killed some kids. Just goes to show ya how fukked-up some people's priorities really are.

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                  #6.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:18 AM EST

                  Psychosis is not confined to a particular race or ethnic group. Or occupation.

                  It's just that her target was children. And what makes it so heinous is children are helpless to defend themselves. Especially when mama is gone.

                  Crimes against children are too much for us to process. They are far worse than when an adult is murdered.

                  That is why detectives who work these cases are affected the rest of their lives. It's not natural. It's the worst thing that they will ever have to investigate.

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                  #6.8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:03 PM EST
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                  I am not into such things but these horrific murders makes you wonder about evil possesions........

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                  Reply#7 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:08 PM EDT

                  Possessions and this crime, are not two of the same monsters. Possession is when an evil entity takes over - no motive, no cause or explanation. This nanny, had reason and cause and the mental issues were possibly her fighting her desire to commit pre-meditated murder. I am sure she was hoping that they would overlook the murder and pay attention to her wounds. It sounds to me that SHE wanted attention that only the kids were and should have gotten. The American dream unfortunately means American "money" to some immigrants and not "love" of the American people. One can only pretend for so long.

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                  #7.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:31 AM EST

                  You know of the beheadings in Mexico by the drug cartel members, correct? They cut off limbs and remove the victim's skin.

                  If one of these murderers came into the U.S. unknown, they would be okay to stay in our country under Obama's illegal immigration policy, unless they are caught harming someone over here. We have no way of knowing who is in our country right now.

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                  #7.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:41 AM EST
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                  Good parents don't let other people raise their children (Period)

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                  Reply#8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:17 PM EDT

                  I agree. Having someone mow your lawn for you is OK but having someone raise your kids for you is pure laziness. Some people think if they have enough money they can just play and have no responsibilities.

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                  #8.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:13 AM EDT

                  Where may I ask, did you see or read that she was "raising" those children?...You didn't. She WORKED for them. Given, she was more than likely always at their home but that's what the rich do isn't it? They hire people to watch their children while they're working or go out and whatnot. I agree that people shouldn't have others "raising" their children but when you have the means that these people have, you're "allowed" to pay for someone else to take care of your kids. In most cases the "nanny" would have taken the middle child to the swimming lesson along with the other two tagging along while their mother did whatever. Instead she was left at home to care for the two not in attendance. I TOTALLY understand what you're both saying and I don't agree with people paying others raise their children for them and not really even knowing them the way a parent should...but apparently this mother & father needed someone to help with them. The father works for cnbc so I'm sure he's not home as much as he'd like to be and the mother is trying to juggle it all by herself. And when you're well-to-do like they are, she is probably quite busy with her "social" life and whatnot also. Nannies have been around and doing this for families for a VERY long time and if you've got the money, it's fine to hire someone to help out but not RAISE them for you. Just my opinion though.

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                  #8.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:06 AM EST

                  Reality and Warren obviously believe all women need to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

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                  #8.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:27 AM EST

                  you're right, the single mom should just relinquish her parental rights to the state, and let THEM raise the child....you are an idiot

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                  #8.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 6:33 AM EST

                  The parents did a background check on this woman.

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                  #8.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 6:44 AM EST

                  Good parents don't let other people raise their children (Period)

                  What about Casey Anthony, Andrea Yates or the countless other parents who raised and killed there children. The problem is we don't have a program to handle mental issues effectively in this country. We only seek punishment and revenege then we think we are doing something.

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                  #8.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST

                  The only person responsible for this is the nanny...end of story. The nanny came to them through friend's recommendation...should we blame them too?

                  From "what I read" the mother did some volunteer work and spent most of her time with the children or taking them to activities. The nanny did not have them full time all week by herself.

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                  #8.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:50 AM EST
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                  Comment author avatarBlack Sheep-1364590Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  @ Michelle-Manning: I've noticed commenting on News Vine with biblical comments are less than popular; However if you were to read and understand the Bible, it will tell you exactly why these heinous crimes are being committed and yes it's going to get worse before the Lord puts a stop to it.

                  Now, before those of you who are chomping at the bit to put me in my place and tell me how BAD my Lord is, because He allows this to go on. Just remember He's waiting for you to turn your heart over to Him and be saved when He comes back to this earth to take His children to Heaven. If He intervened every time bad things happened, the human race would live in sin forever. That's not His purpose for us. We were created to live a sin free life and nothing was ever to die.

                  I know some of you say the Bible is nothing but fairy tales or a figment of somebodies imagination. Please understand, everything stated in the Bible has happened except Jesus return to the earth to take his people to Heaven. Please try to understand what you're throwing away, (Eternal Life) before it's to late to change your mind!!

                  OK, I'll get off my soap box. My deepest and sincere condolences to this devastated family!! I'm so sorry this has happened.

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                  Reply#9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:58 PM EDT

                  Again, People like you forget that the United States Constitution's Freedom of Religion also means Freedom FROM Religion, as well. Which is quite different than Michelle's 'free speech' avocation...I'm an Atheist, why should I have to listen to you blather on and on, on a public forum about your Bible, Jesus, Eternal Life and God, when the topic at hand has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION WHAT SO EVER. How would you like it if I came to your church and started yelling, "All hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster"? You are off topic and assuming facts NOT in evidence, for this yes, your post ought to be collapsed.

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                  #9.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:27 AM EDT

                  God help the family of these children. As a mother, I do not think I would be able to withstand such a tragedy.

                  PS:

                  Shame on you Angela, for posting such disrespectful stuff, you don't know if these parents are Christian or not. In the face of this terrible crimes, all you can post about is correcting others? It's people like you , who need to listen to their own words. Freedom of speech and religion means anybody can practice and talk about whatever the hell they want. You and your kind are hypocritical. Also, if you really wanted to start worshiping "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" you would be allowed to, as well as worshiping nothing. That's what is great about being American.

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                  #9.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:13 AM EDT

                  OM MY GOD, another class act statment from Angela, since when did you decided to become a preacher, and tell us how to think and live. i think you need some prozac, or whatever!!!!!

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                  #9.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:16 AM EST

                  I agree with Angela 100%. Leave your fairy tale hero to yourself and not in a public forum. Your supernatural master wasn't there to save when these children were brutally killed, even though I totally concur with your believe that your master has a better plan for them.

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                  #9.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:23 AM EST

                  .I'm an Atheist, why should I have to listen to you blather on and on, on a public forum about your Bible, Jesus, Eternal Life and God, when the topic at hand has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION WHAT SO EVER.

                  Angela, here's a little hint. Don't read it, or move on once you realize it's not to your liking. I know, making decisions can be extremely difficult for some people, but try. Maybe next time, Black Sheep will clear any posts with you beforehand, but I kinda doubt it.

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                  #9.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:41 AM EST

                  BWAAAAhhhahahhaha, whiners on MSN, what a surprise, NOT!

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                  #9.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:37 AM EST

                  And, I don't want him to 'clear posts' with me or anyone else, I'd like him to THINK for himself and not for some fantasy and made up BS. It was hard to miss his wall of words when there were only a few post on this thread at the time I wrote that...

                  'mar in Colorado', My words may 'offend' you. I, truly, don't care, but you can NOT refute them. Sadly for the clueless and uneducated, they are factual and easily proven, if you bother to learn to Google or you know, listen to your high school history and government teachers, you might have learned about a little thing called the Bill of Rights or the Constitution. How many of 'your' rights do you want to throw away, before they get to one 'you' really care about?

                  YOU might want to ponder that, or not...you don't seem like someone who does much in the way of 'thinking'.

                  Funny enough, the post DID end up being collapsed... :)

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                  #9.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST

                  You know Angela, the problem is you can't prove that Jesus and the bible are made up fairy tales. At least until you die. At least the people who believe in religion, believe that something usually good will happen to them after they die. But since you like to open your mouth and stick your foot in it... Try and prove that God and religion is made up. I won't be missing your posts when you try.

                    #9.8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:25 PM EST

                    No.. the burden of proof is ON YOU.. you are the one who is claiming jesus and your stupid god exist - SO YOU PROVE THAT THEY EXIST - CAN'T PROVE IT? Well, then it's fairy tale and all made up.

                    Don't agree with me? Then PROVE ME WRONG when I say my magical poop went back in time and created everything, including your jesus and your god. Yes, GO AHEAD AND PROVE ME WRONG.

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                    #9.9 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:33 PM EST
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                    Wow what a cruel and inhumane thing to do to two innocent children if she is found guilty of this i hope they dont let her sit around in prison for the next 50 years cases like this is where capitol punishment should be enforced to the fullest.

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                    Reply#10 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:24 AM EDT

                    Yoselyn Ortega was told around a month ago by the Krims that her work needed improving, or they would need to let her go. So, because of that issue and that she resented doing housework ("light" cleaning), she, apparently in a fit of rage and revenge, slaughtered two precious children. Utterly evil and horrible!!!

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                    Reply#11 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:24 AM EDT

                    It doesn't seem wise to criticize in ANY way a person who is entrusted with your children's care when you are not present. If I had been unhappy with her work, I would have just let her go, as kindly as possible. She is obviously unwell and took out her anger at being criticized on these innocent children. Hindsight is, of course, 20/20 but I feel strongly that that's the way I would have handled it. Maybe it's just b/c I've had more exposure to mentally ill people in my life than these parents have. My sympathies to the family.

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                    #11.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:06 AM EDT

                    The nanny DID NOT do it. There are several police calls in and in one of them a "male" was seen attacking the woman.

                    Why is everyone buying into the media's false story? They just say it and you believe it? One report said that the nanny suffered a broken vertebra in her neck. Self inflicted? As a doctor, I think not.

                    Remember the first story to come out, the mother saw the nanny on the ground bleeding.

                    However, If a person gets to the point that they have to warn someone about job performance or face termination, they better have the person in a benign position; not watching your children. Lots and lots of people have killed as a result of losing a job.

                      #11.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:45 AM EST

                      The nanny DID NOT do it.

                      She has denied that anyone else stabbed her. She has admitted she was angry that she was given light housework to do.

                      The account of the mother finding her on the ground bleeding also says she grabbed the knife which was on the floor and stabbed herself in the neck with enough force to break the vertebrae.

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                      #11.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:20 AM EST
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                      the bitch is scum. she will rot in jail. she will have the worst time of her life until she is dead. every time those kids are thought of you can say good.

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                      Reply#12 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:04 AM EDT

                      The nanny did not do it.

                        #12.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:47 AM EST
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                        Comment author avatarBeth Agrellvia Facebook

                        I'm pretty sure it should read 'formally arrested' ...not 'formerly arrested'...

                        The story itself is heartbreaking.

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                        Reply#13 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:12 AM EST

                        Beth like another reader said the same thing you did. but before i put my foot in my mouth, i looked it up on webster dictionary, there is a word formal, but not formally, its formerly, past, not present.

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                        Reply#14 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:23 AM EST

                        I'm not trying to start an argument, but I really think it should be formally. It says she spoke to the police from her bedside Saturday afternoon, and then was formally arrested and charged after 6 p.m.

                        for·mal·ly

                        /ˈfÉ”r mÉ™ li/ Show Spelled

                        adverb
                        1.
                        in a formal manner: The store was formally opened on Tuesday. Anyway, that doesn't really matter. What matters is this family and the terrible loss of two of their children. They will never be the same again. I hope they are able to heal quickly.

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                        #14.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:52 AM EST

                        right on, Trixie3397782! I was going to post the exact example. Formally is often confused with formerly.

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                        #14.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:34 AM EST

                        mar in colorado,

                        Why do you continue to insist on being incorrect??? lolololfmao

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                        #14.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:09 AM EST

                        That's because americans speak american and not english

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                        #14.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:46 PM EST
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                        ...I heard that the Nanny had financial problems, and was moving in n out of apts, although the family had paid her well. A co-worker of mine said, the Nannys get very well attached to the kids, like there their own, and she just wanted to take them with her to 'heaven' ....just like these stories, you hear now with their pets (dogs)

                          Reply#15 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:47 AM EST

                          Hopefully she can have an accident in Jail and fall on a knife

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                          Reply#16 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:55 AM EST

                          She will, of course, be found too bonkers to stand trial. So come on people; she needs help, right?

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                          #16.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:12 AM EST

                          No let's just seek revenge and punish her as painfully as possible rather look for an effective solution to this problem that tends to happen far too often in the US!

                            #16.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:10 AM EST
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                            This is a horrible thing to do, if there is no evidence to the contrary then forget about using tax payers money on a court and jail housing just execute her immediately and skip the privilege last meal, we can save on that too.

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                            Reply#17 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:47 AM EST

                            so, so, so sad. some things in life we will never understand. makes you realize how fortunate we are to be alive, life is so fragile. u never will know when your time has come... sending lots of heartfelt love your way to the family. please know that we mourn your loss with you.

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                            Reply#18 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:53 AM EST

                            Sorry, but anyone who murders a kid deserves to be put in a public location, tied to a stake and mocked, ridiculed and spat on for a week. Then drawn and quartered.

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                            Reply#19 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:31 AM EST

                            Doesn't Jonathan Dienst know a proof reader ? He used formerly where he should have used formally.

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                            Reply#20 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 5:52 AM EST

                            Joe Slater67 - Great Call!

                            hopefully this should put the "debate" to rest, as the legal terminology is below. I can understand the confusion by those that are grammar majors! LOL

                            Detainment

                            • If a police officer believes that they have probable cause to do so, they are within their rights to detain you for a period of time in order to question you. This does not mean that you are under formal arrest.

                            Formal Arrest

                            • If you are handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car, are told that you are being formally arrested, or are not allowed to leave for an extended period of time, you should assume that you are under formal arrest.

                            Read more: What Is the Difference Between Arrest & Formal Arrest? | eHow.com #ixzz2BFeaUE74

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                            #20.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 6:19 AM EST
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                            My heart goes out to the Krim family. What a horrific tragedy. Where does this family go from here? I have been thinking about them and praying for them. May God help them find a peaceful road ahead.

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                            Reply#22 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:11 AM EST

                            @ ConcernedMa You are one big heart person ,while reading I could not believe how heartless people are .....concern about the spelling and insults etc. never express remorse for the suffering mother ,that found her babies butchered in the bathtub .Can you imagine the horror .....My heart goes out to her ,it is obvious that professionals hire help in raising children (especially three ) now and days .What is wrong with that you give people jobs ....you need help.....And what is wrong to be asked to improve your work performance ? isn't that happened at every work place ? No excuse for that evil women No excuse .....

                              #22.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 5:40 PM EST
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                              It is very sad that comments on this board would include politics and grammar mistakes. Have respect for the family and the situation. If you cannot be decent in your comments, stick your fingers in your mouth and stop typing. Fools.

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                              Reply#23 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:14 AM EST

                              I don't understand this story, why would she be charged with murder when she was stubbed on her neck. meaning someelse was in there when it happened unless she did it herself but the article does not say that. Their is something fishy about this article and sounds like false arrest. And yes I agree with all the people that say that the parents are at fault for hiring someone outside of the family, rich or poor, middle class or upper class, its dangerous to count with an outsider with the life of the children. I got lucky when I hired my aint to take care of my child when we went out because she was living with a drug addict and a known criminal that physically abused her daughter and son. I did not know this until years later. And I agree with caregaven on his or her statement. It is the parents responsibility tu reaise the children and not other people granted those parents could have kept them in their office to watch over them.

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                              Reply#24 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:37 AM EST

                              In another article, it said the nanny stabbed herself in the neck in front to the mom after the mom found the kids dead.

                              I see nothing wrong with having a nanny. I would have loved to have been able to afford one. And I think those who are critical of the mom for having a nanny are probably jealous. I don't see much difference between using a daycare and having a nanny. A nanny is not the same as a governess during Victorian times when the mother only spent an hour a day with her own children.

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                              #24.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:02 AM EST

                              pedrora, news stories say that the kids mom walked in and the nanny stabbed herself at that point. She apparently is the one who did it.

                              Lovely, I don't think there is anything wrong with using a nanny. I don't think that people who are critical are necessarily jealous. Personally, I wouldn't use one because I want to be with my children and see their milestones and enjoy them. however, as a society, we are so used to always blaming someone and being judgmental. The mom here seems like a doting and caring mother. She wanted to spend time individually with each child, said a story. She kept a blog on her kids which was very touching. Things just happen and it did here. This was the worse nightmare for a mother so you find others being judgmental instead of embracing her and praying for her and her family to get through this. I read it was her little boy's birthday on October 30. Talk about adding salt to the wound. My heart goes out to this mom. God bless her and help her at this very difficult time.

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                              #24.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST

                              Here's the back story, it all makes sense:

                              This week financial news organization CNBC gave some mainstream attention to the largest money laundering and racketeering lawsuit in United States History, in which “Banksters” and their U.S. racketeering partners are being accused of laundering of 43 trillion dollars worth of ill gotten gains. The lawsuit is said to involve officials located in the highest offices of government and the financial sector.

                              Since this information was surprisingly revealed by the mainstream news organization there has been a very suspicious and deadly fallout at the CNBC headquarters. Within hours the original page for the article was taken down, and CNBC senior vice president Kevin Krim received news that his children were killed under very suspicious circumstances. It seems that the murder happened first and then the page was removed later.

                              According to mainstream accounts the children’s nanny is responsible for the murders, allegedly stabbing both children. However, those same mainstream news sources report the highly unlikely story that the nanny slit her own throat just after committing the homicides. Police have released very little information and although a wider plot has not been officially implicated, it seems very possible that these murders are a show of force against the press organization for releasing such damning information about the most powerful people in the world.

                              Here is some more information about the lawsuit from the Wall Street Journal:

                              “In the District Court lawsuit, Spire Law Group, LLP — on behalf of home owner across the Country and New York taxpayers, as well as under other taxpayer recompense laws — has expanded its mass tort action into federal court in Brooklyn, New York, seeking to halt all foreclosures nationwide pending the return of the $43 trillion ($43,000,000,000.00) by the “Banksters” and their co-conspirators, seeking an audit of the Fed and audits of all the “bailout programs” by an independent receiver such as Neil Barofsky, former Inspector General of the TARP program who has stated that none of the TARP money and other “bailout money” advanced from the Treasury has ever been repaid despite protestations to the contrary by the Defendants as well as similar protestations by President Obama and the Obama Administration both publicly on national television and more privately to the United States Congress. Because the Obama Administration has failed to pursue any of the “Banksters” criminally, and indeed is actively borrowing monies for Mr. Obama’s campaign from these same “Banksters” to finance its political aspirations, the national group of plaintiff home owners has been forced to now expand its lawsuit to include racketeering, money laundering and intentional violations of the Iranian Nations Sanctions and Embargo Act by the national banks included among the “Bankster” Defendants. ”

                              Some of the alleged conspirators are Attorney General Holder, Assistant Attorney General Tony West, the brother in law of Defendant California Attorney General Kamala Harris, Jon Corzine (former New Jersey Governor), Robert Rubin (former Treasury Secretary and Bankster), Timothy Geitner, Treasury Secretary, Vikram Pandit (recently resigned and disgraced Chairman of the Board of Citigroup), Valerie Jarrett (a Senior White House Advisor), Anita Dunn (a former “communications director” for the Obama Administration), Robert Bauer (husband of Anita Dunn and Chief Legal Counsel for the Obama Re-election Campaign), as well as the “Banksters” themselves, and their affiliates and conduits.

                              It is expected that all news on this subject will be removed from CNBC, and that other news organizations will be discouraged from covering such information. However, screen shots of the original CNBC article were taken to verify the authenticity of this story.

                              Assassination and brute intimidation are common strategies for the ruling class to use on people who may threaten their agenda. This is the second situation this week in which a high level executive was the victim of a suspicious attack that seemed very much like an assassination. The Intel Hub just reported that Nicholas Mockford, a 60 year old British executive for the oil company ExxonMobil was shot dead in front of his wife in an assassination-style killing in Brussels. We will be keeping a close eye on both of these stories and provide more details as they become available.

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                              #24.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:21 PM EST

                              OMG... I didn't know any of this. This is very interesting.

                              Expectedly, people are going to call you a crack-pot, but those same people probably believe that World Trade Center 7 completely collapsed into it's foot-print, naturally.

                              Anyone who is capable of murdering children, or ordering such a murder, is demonic, as far as I'm concerned. I haven't been convinced that this simply wasn't the act of an evil, selfish, sociopathic woman, but I am open-minded.

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                              #24.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:26 PM EST

                              Jennifer and J- What is your source?

                                #24.5 - Fri Nov 9, 2012 4:44 AM EST
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                                this story seems to be like the one on athens, ga where the mother stabbes her sibbling and the other one in illinois. Don't people know that is not right to kill anyone specially a child.

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                                Reply#25 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:48 AM EST

                                The nanny should not still be alive. This is a clear case for summary execution.

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                                Reply#26 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:58 AM EST
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