Execution? Really? Let's just kill everyone who breaks the law.

This was treason, execution is justified in this case. No, we should not execute everybody who breaks the law.

Now come on. I LOVE the death penalty but tend to reserve it for child rapists and murderers - you know - heinous crimes. This guy is just stupid. Grant it, 400 Million stupid but stupid none the less. He is the guy who pulls the fire alarm in High School and floods the entire school. He should pay big time, but most of us were stupid at one time in our life - some are late bloomers. Give him 10 years, and let him out at 34 hopefully to see all of HIS time that he wasted.

RalphH,

I hope you're not serious. I believe in Capital Punishment, but the folks who truly deserve that make this poor, stupid jackass look like Mister Rogers by comparison.

In any case, I guess he got what he wanted. He did it to "get out of work".

And now he doesn't have to worry about work anymore.

Maybe, as a way to forgive the fine they could have given him, they could put him in a Kodiak and use him for torpedo practice.....

Execution is a bit harsh. Something else was seriously wrong with a job site that didn't have fire suppression, alerting, and control measures in place that would have prevented about $399,900,000 of the damage. What the guy did was stupid, immoral, illegal, and irresponsible -- but the amount of damage that resulted is evidence of failures much higher and wider in the organization than this guy.

400 million is the equivalent of hundreds of people working a lifetime. So that is basically having hundreds of people work their whole lives and having no result.

No matter what happens to him the taxpayers won't recover a dime. Jail time and attorney's fees will add more to the taxpayers cost.

WhatsLegal. I'm gonna guess you've never spent time working on a ship. The fire situation isn't that simple, especially in dry dock when the inside of the sub is a total disaster area and half the systems aren't functioning. Get a fire running through your ventilation system (which is common) and have large areas of the sub inaccessible to fire parties--things get out of hand quickly.

He'll have a lot of time off now from work. What a jack a$$

Let's not forget people where injured! This could have cost someone their life. 15 to life isn't good enough, it was an attack on the military! The death penalty is appropriate.

"400 million is the equivalent of hundreds of people working a lifetime. So that is basically having hundreds of people work their whole lives and having no result."

Tell that to a billionaire

He should also win the Darwin award for this year.

Anyone notice he looks just like the side kick (Jesse) on "Breaking Bad"? Ha ha... What a phucking loser.

He is really going to hard time about his X-girlfriend now, or any girlfriend for that matter. The common sense of kids today never ceases to amaze me.

Hard labor in Leavenworth.

With so many people out of work, one would think they could get quality personel for the high security of a military shipyard. How about follow up screening after they are hired.

You would think a submarine of this caliber would have a sprinkler system.

400 million in damage WTF is this thing made of.

This is the gift that just keeps on giving. $400 mil in damages + legal fees and a life time in prison. I agree, treason applies here, the death sentence is appropriate, otherwise we throw more money away to warehouse and feed this scum the remainder of his life. Light him up!

Now if he would have killed a puppy or little kitten, 90% of those here would have wanted to see him fry.

@expatdownunda

I think you'd better look up the definition of "treason" before you use it again.

Well I'm not too familiar with American law but in England, Treason and Arson in HM Dockyard is still a hanging offense.

I'm not saying he should be hung but incarceration just means he will be kept at the tax payers expense for a long time.

Lock him up but make him work 40 hours a week for the next 20 years.

Obviously a pretty stupid guy as well as selfish. I don't know what his crime should be, but he definitely needs to be gelded before he has a chance to spawn offspring. Had anyone died in this fire, then I would be the first person to demand death on this Bozo!

20 years at FT. LEVENWORTH conducting hard labor 18 hours a day would be a fitting punishment for the azzclown.

I will say this, if you cause damage to someone's property and or government property, then you should be held accountable to pay it back. This guy and people like him should be put on some labor force that pays them a certain amount an hour, they should be charged for their food and lodging and the rest of the money should go to paying off the damages they caused. It doesn't matter if it takes them the rest of their lives to do so or not. Then see how many idiots cause damage like this guy did.

Unfortunately there will always be unbalanced individuals around any workplace but if the submarine was being painted why were there no fire alarm and suppression systems in place?

he didnt have to set a fire he could have just joined the party of deadbeats!

No no, don't execute the moron, just force him to work for the rest of his life to repay the cost of the damage he made. That includes cleaning the sides of the roads and hard labor.

Lyrica

No no, don't execute the moron, just force him to work for the rest of his life to repay the cost of the damage he made. That includes cleaning the sides of the roads and hard labor.

#1.25 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 4:42 PM CST

...chipping paint and rust on ships with a hammer and chisel... painting... manicuring lawns on base with scissors... cleaning the bilge... shining sailors shoes... I'm there is a Master Chief somewhere who can get really creative with this...

The resemblance of arsonist Casey James Fury and assasin Jared Lee Loughner is absolutely astonishing!

That, and the fact that they're both 24 years old.

Fury- http://www.commercialappeal.com/photos/2012/nov/08/337730/

Loughner- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

This arson took place while The United States was formally at war. This was sabotage and sabotage of military equipment during wartime is punishable by death.

Execute him. NOW!

He has that same crazed yet proud 'Look at me. I'm famous' look like Jared Loughner. Another fine product of today's selfish youth.

He added that Fury told investigators he was taking a variety of medications for anxiety, depression, allergies and insomnia at the time of the first incident.

Just the kind of excuse some fleabag attorney would invent.

Anyone notice he looks just like the side kick (Jesse) on "Breaking Bad"?

Hannibalektr - he doesn't look a thing like Jesse (Aaron Paul). However, he does look like Jared Lee Loughner, the man who shot Gifford and others in Tucson.

Death Sentence?

What bloodthirsty fools we have in this country!

He got what he deserves, the idiot.

he shoulda called in a bomb threat.

way to go azzhat- first to go political and go really stupid

barnyfife

By your logic Ralph, barak hussein obama should be executed for the same reasons.

@lokay5

This arson took place while The United States was formally at war. This was sabotage and sabotage of military equipment during wartime is punishable by death.

Execute him. NOW!

Uh, what law are you citing that says that sabotage while at war vs. not at war is an executable offense?

Also, you need to look up the definition of "sabotage" while your friend expatdownunda is looking up the definition of "treason". The result of the action is not what constitutes "sabotage", it's the intent.

@7.62x39mm

Levenworth is a millitary prison. This was a civilian shipworker.

Treason is punishable by death. If a death sentence is not imposed, defendants
face a minimum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine (18 U.S.C.A. §
2381). A person who is convicted of treason may not hold federal office at any
time thereafter.

@lokay5

Nice report on the consequences of treason, but that's not the definition of treason. Go look that up and you'll see that it doesn't apply here.

Agreed, and not from a bleeding heart angle, but to think he set the $400mil fire (crazy enough) and then the next month set another one?? I mean, most guys have goofed around with fire when they were young--melting plastic army guys or whatever--but usually have one close call with a shed or something and realize how insane it is...but he scorches a nuclear sub, injures 5 and still does it again? Clearly he's got mental issues.

See this for what it is, he isn't crazy, he's just got a low IQ, insecurity, love sick and lazy. The typical combination for kids these days. Someone else above called it, he is the kid that pulled the fire alarm to get out of school. Now he's trying to do it in real life.

Problem is he was too stupid to understand the concept of "cause and effect".

I don't think he was anywhere near being legally insane. Depression make a person unnaturally sad, and sometimes angry, but it doesn't prevent you from knowing right from wrong. Antidepressants don't make a person delusional, either. No amount of anxiety could be blamed for doing something that stupid and destructive. It's possible that he's a sociopath, but sociopaths still know right from wrong. They just don't care who they hurt. He's just a colossal loser.

I am glad you wrote that Hannibalektr. The crime is a result of a combination of the failure of the mental health system and a low IQ - and also the folly of youth.

opinion whos shed was it?

I wonder if his union rep will accompany him.

Baseless ignorant coment

I dont agree, System.

Unions will protect their members no matter what. They need as many members as possible, (involuntarily) contributing to the "cause".

Case Closed,This is TREASON,Shoot him...

Dump a can of gas in his cell, then toss in a match.

What are you people, animals? The United States does not burn people alive. That is what savages do.

Looking at the shape of his head that is probably literally true. I would put some of the responsibility on whoever hired him. Having known shipyard workers in the past, brains are unfortunately not typically their strong suit.

Shape of his head? WTF are you talking about? Have you seen the shape of Stephen Hawking's head? There is no correlation to intelligence there. You are a @!$%#ing moron, you must have smoked a ton of weed during your developmental years, and have a wierd shaped head (lol).

Hey vox,

Phrenology was debunked over 100 years ago. Get with the program.

I have to laugh that some took the remark about the shape of his head seriously! But it is really odd.

and boy can it COST!

I can just see the US Government getting 400 million out of this guy when he gets out at age 54. $hit we will be paying him for his time in were ever they send him and supporting him when he gets out. Hard labor would be suitable in this instance. Breaking rocks where he can't lite any fires.

Are you sure it doesn't pay to be lazy? There a lots of American's that can contest that statement.

Just ask Romney, he said 47% of American's were basically welfare cases.. lazy pieces of flotsam that have no place in his brave new world. Guess he was wrong, there were over 50% of them! Doh!

Are you sure it doesn't pay to be lazy? There a lots of American's that can contest that statement.

And there will be MANY more from now on.....

Thank you American liberals.

Why do YOU care about tax dollars ? Our government sure doesnt.

Julia must be his sister.

@Floyd Where does this guy live? Maine? FAT CHANCE HE IS A TEAPARTY MEMBER. Let see, union member in a democrat liberal state. What you see is what he is.

Somebody just learned about the Macdonald triad, huh?

@North Caronlina Fun, "America is way too easy on criminals who kill" as opposed to where? Sounds like you need to check stats on industrialized countries and how many criminals they kill each year. Check it out and let us know which country that executes more people than we do has it right so we can start the changes in our justice system to emulate them.

Who did this guy kill again?

He didnt kill anyone, he burned down the naval submarine .. did 400 mil in damages.. can't you read?

If you ask me, this is all a cover. The government wanted some new equipment so they staged this event. Someone called this guys phone and said "Catcher in the Rye, Catcher in the Rye", he then committed the arson he was programmed for.

Just because your username is a crazy person doesn't mean you need to be one. Here's a hint: The navy will spend 400 million refurbishing this sub and then use it for the next ten years, as it says in the article. That means less new equipment, not more.

Yes, I can read. I was making a point. The OP said :

Why isn't this guy and Laughner, who we also read about today, who killed and maimed many simply given due process and when found guilty promptly executed?

Prompting the query. Wouldn't be the first time something had been left out of an article on MSNBC.

This isn't treason, it's a stupid crime turned big on a lame-ass. Schit happens. That is what insurance and bonding is for.

The company's insurance should be required to pay the bill, or take them to court and put them out of business!

He worked for the Navy yard and is a govt. employee.

Wouldn't matter. No insurance would pick up an intentional act.

I highly doubt a painting contractor would have $400 million worth of insurance.

Now you'll get a kick out of this, about a year ago in the town I live in there were a couple of geniuses who had been watching a house for a while for the same reason. They assumed that because no one had been there in months that everything was gravy, well..... the gas hadn't been turned off while the home owners were elsewhere (presumably Florida, we have lots of 1/2 time residents) and they blew themselves up, not completely but enough that the look out girl drove them to the ER. She was only there long enough to throw them out of the car.

LOL, thought the same thing

Aww. didnt see this post, yup that is Jesse!

Navy vessels actually are quite flammable. Whether it's due to the chemicals stored on the ships (like cleaners, machine grease/oils, etc) or due to other flammable compounds, the danger of fire is present.

However, the crew is also drilled regularly on damage control techniques. While in drydock, the vessel does not have the advantage of a damage control crew, so a fire can do far more damage in the amount of time it takes for emergency responders to arrive (as opposed to the mere minutes it takes for crews to get into position on a ship).

The USS Miami was in drydock undergoing repairs at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, Maine. As a former submariner I have been on a submarine undergoing overhaul there. PNSY is dirty, old and its workers are US government employees or subcontractors hired by the US government. Not my favorite place in the world. Boats undergoing work in the shipyard are literally torn apart--holes cut in the hull, ventilation hoses running everywhere, temporary systems with piping snaking through open compartments. Welding and metal grinding going on around the clock. It's a mess. Only a handful of crew aboard at any given time while the shipyard workers are doing what they should be doing. One guy like this could (and did) do a lot of damage. Personally, I think justice should have been done on this guy with one of those welding torches, but that's just me.

400 million - I think that about covers the government specs on the toilet seats for the sub.

Of all the things to joke about, you pick the one that works against your argument. Faulty toilets sank a submarine during WW2. Look up the U-1206.

They do and no one gets on to the subs who don't have authorization. A background check won't show what this guy did.

The background check doesn't show "under treatment for mental health"? That'll keep you from a clearance, for sure. One more step back, the background checks are cursory? Niiiice. I'll bet the $400 million in damage to a vessel in time of war will get that tightened up a bit. Talk about RE-acting.

@Annie as to the back ground checks, what do you think they were going to find. Maybe he is a Rhodes scholar and get his kicks smelling solvents in a shipyard. Probably grew up in the area and attend school locally. He probably was never in trouble a day in his life. He is probably related to someone who works at the yard and got into the union because of who he knew. And then he went brain dead for a moment.

I want to thank MSNBC for editing my comments. Seems that if it doesn't fit their political agenda you won't see it. Thank you comrades.

Is that to imply he should have been shot prior to the fire to save the millions of dollars? Your school taxes are high because they DON'T teach common sense? Guy, your entire post makes no sense. Or wait, was that your point? That's deep man, deep.

When we took God out of our schools, common sense went out the door also.

Why's that, barny..because G-d equals "common sense"?

If you pay a dollar for a bullet, I have a whole bunch of bullets I'd like to sell you.

yeppers, he's obviously a democrat.

I wasn't aware that arson was in the DNC plank.

Read the article again. The $400mil fire was in May, he then set a June fire that was quickly put out. I'm going to guess (if I'm wrong oh well) that he wasn't caught until the 2nd fire and then admitted to the first.

Great point, if someone tries to set fire even once, wouldn't that be grounds for immediate termination? This really sounds like it's something other than what we see here if he was allowed to continue on and burn the joint down.

Also, do any of you reallize the level of security that is supposed to be on detail around a NUCLEAR SUB? The fact that it could go this far also proves something is a miss.

It's only paranoia if you have no common sense.

And you should learn to use the spell check feature so you don't look like an idiot. Or learn to spell, your choice

onermailiw, you shouldn't make fun of people who can't spell unless they attack you directly. Just because someone has dyslexia or bad spelling doesn't make them an idiot. Please, this is the internet, who gives a phuck about spelling anyway.

Were you the little dorky kid that use to get beat up for lunch money?

I would have to disagree. With the availability of spell check, no post should look like that...

Geez, Melvin....

Your SPELLING is literary terrorism.

And, in case you didnt know, to be considered terrorism, there has to be a political reason for the crime.

<sheesh !>

Big man behind a computer screen. Care to stand in front of him and say that to his face? He deserves punishment, not torture. This isn't Rome.

That reminds me of an old boss I had he was a college graduate with an engineering degree. He couldn't spell on a 5th grade level. I always wondered how he ever made it through college. He was a very good structural engineer though.

Big difference in 70+ years. Biggest being government regulation. Look at your OSHA regulations alone. OSHA was just 4 letters in the alphabet back then.