It will affect their pension and promotions.

Worse than the pay and official reprimand, it will hurt their standing with their fellow SEALs. Those guys are more secretive than the submarine service of which I was a member. Tough situation, but I think they got off easy...

Nav:

Can you explain that comment ?

I can understand that it would affect their promotions, but how does it affect their pensions ?

And, how are "non-judicial" punishments different that "judicial" ones ?

Taliban often uses video game to train their members for attack. The more realistic and accuracy the game got to the real world, the more success and comprehensive of the attack location the Taliban will have on us.

The military doesn't like any of its military profiting off there status as a seal..the reasons they got off some what lightly was it was not any secrets or techniques were exposed .. now if they posed nude or gave up secret attack procedures they would have been kicked out..

basically if they asked there commanding officer in advance , they wouldn't have had any issues !!!!!

code of military conduct is very strict and they have to act on every situation no matter if these guys are hero's that took out bin laden....

First, non-judicial punishment is known as an Article 15. It is a lower punishment than a summary courtmartial. It could certainly have an impact on their promotion status, however, it will not have any effect on their retirement. They will receive their retirement based upon the highest rank attained and years of service.

Now, the bigger question. Why is it that the President can give up all the classified information regarding the killing of Osama bin Laden, including the Seals actions, etc, for a Hollywood movie but the Seals themselves can't have input on a video game. If they committed specific security violations that would be one thing, but the article doesn't say that.

First Sergeat, USAR Retired

JEFF;

Non judicial punishment is given by an individual's Commanding Officer. It is an administrative punishment.

For more serious violations of the UCMJ...judicial punishment is a courts-martial.....same same as a criminal trial in civilian world. A conviction at Courts-martial is same as a felony conviction.

A letter of reprimand is put into the personnel record. Once a sailor is testing for the E-7 rank or above that is not a good thing. Prior to that promotion is based on time in service, time in grade, evaluation marks and a test.

If the letter prevents a sailor from making E-7 or above, retirement is affected because retirement is based on 50% of rank base pay at 20 years....increasing 2.5% per year up to 75% at 30 years.

Show me a sailor who has no reprimands or NJP's....I'll show you a kiss-ass that just didn't get caught.

@ DocHolliday-2979123

What do you think the SEAL 6 is?

They are just sailor, elite one. They still need to be obey and follow the procedure concerning classify information.

It took them less than 2 years to cash in what they know. Can you imagine everyone do this? The whole world would know all there is to know about US and all ours operations.

Jeff - Military pensions are based on the basic pay only of the rank held when you retire. If they are denied promotions due to these letters, it will lower their pensions. Since the pension is based solely on basic pay, their additional compensations for being SEALS (combat pay, dive and jump pay, etc, as well as housing allowances) are not considered in the pension. As a retired E8 in the Navy, my pension is the same as a retired E8 in the SEALS with the same time in service that I had.

Non-judicial punishments (NJP) are essentially administrative in nature but do carry some punitive actions (you can loose a stripe, half your pay for 6 months, etc). Unlike judicial punishments, commonly known as Courts Martial, the rules of evidence do not apply and the determination of guilt or innocence is based on the preponderance of evidence in the opinion of one person, the Commanding Officer. There is no judge and limited review/appeal. Consequently, the punishment allowed is also less severe. (For example, you can not discharge a person based solely on conviction at NJP) You can always refuse NJP and opt for court martial, but the penalties are much more severe (You could, for example, loose all pay and allowances, be reduced to the lowest rank, be discharged, or be put to death).

Looks like a really good game... but too bad EA still insists on players only being able to use their Origin launcher. Which means I won't be buying or playing it.

I agree Doc, I'm sure that any information they shared doesn't even come close to the confidential information the president released to the press after Bin Laden was killed. But that's ok.

@Wakeupnow. You are obviously not a veteran, so don't talk about things that you don't understand.

If these guys got NJP and/or LoR's their careers are more than likely over, todays Navy is pretty unforgiving...Its not like the old days where you needed an event, such as this, to make Chief... LoL

Come on, it is a freaking game. There are thousands of these type of games for anyone to purchase. Do you really think this is the first time anyone who has served in the military (active or retired) has not consulted one way or the other? My husband has done two tours in Iraq and he loves all of these games and cannot wait to get it for him at Christmas.

As wallyh said in post #4 below:

"But it was OK for the Obama Administration to provide detailed info about SEAL operations to the makers of a movie about the killing of Osamba Bin Laden".

And everyone one got their panties in a bunch over a book that did not reveal nearly as much or classified information. Huh......?

Yup. It's official. The Military higher ups/Powers that be are morons.

I'll forfeit half my pay for 4 months to bet that these higher up clowns give out more information at their drunken cocktail parties than any SEALS ever have. Or ever will.

The military Good Ol Boys clubs will always be that.

Someone mentioned sub service, which I served in. Reminds me of the king of all asshats... Grand Poobah of all megalomaniacs..............Hyman G. Rickover.

let me get this straight, they punished them for helping create a video game but Obama didnt get punished for giving all the secrets to hollywood so they could make a movie, WOW, oh and for the record i am a veteran.

Ironic isn't the Obama administration had absolutely no qualms about using there administration to support a movie about the team in its mission to take out osama - ah but that only placed the team 6 members lives in jeopardy of their lives as the obama administration played politics. What a @!$%#ing miserable commander in chief placing politics above the lives of the military

@Robert D Clarkson

Again, you sound clueless. The president have the power to "declassify" information.

And what classify information in the movie? I heard you guys say that a lot, but never point out specific.

@Tom:i like yours the best myself. thats true,mostly i think too. @Bob;ret e8. your also right,but take in consideration comment fromJeffN. its been amost 25 since i was a ape,but think part of good ole boys is still going on.evan afterward.biggest thing i can really say about navy is pay attention to detail in all things.all svcs as well.it still isnt applied equel like ucmj is wriiten by eye of beholder.not angry here,too late for it.but can still read and ears work yet,except for above 2200hz. tnks to all.

President Obama did not share any classified material, he also has been refutted several times on his 'story' regarding the killing of bin laden (hence someone writing lcandestinely books regarding the topic to 'clear the air). President Obama has given a few accounts all with slightly tailored differences, this is known as deliberate misinformation and is intended to to be used that way in situations where our enemies attempt to capitolize ont he so said scenerios.

Punnishing SEALs for breaking their code of silence is not a detrimental thing to their position or their role nor is it a slap to heroes. Even if the points of claim are not what you or I would consider 'sensitive intelligence' the simple fact they colaberate and there-by give validation to routines and operations they are or were involved in which in many cases were denied by higher ranking officials is more then enough to warrant a reprimand. The fact, for all of you claiming the miliraty is being cruel to it's personal and heroes, that they got off so lightly is because we and the military actual do see them as heroes. You all have alot to learn. Now, in global considerations, if any event in this game can be tagged to a denied action by SEALs and presented as valid intelligence of actions performed by those said units the United States could itself be flat on it's face and facing international issues. So much to learn.

Actually, as a punishment, they got of lightly. Most times it is reduction in rank - which means right there you're also getting a reduction in pay and then half pay for 6 months at your new lower rank. But ya, EA probably paid them all well.

I bet the SEALS are getting fedup with this administration, first Barry takes all the glory for their accomplishment, then allows 2 to be murdered in Benghazi and tries to cover it up and now this?

GEE THANKS BARRY!!!

Better watch your back before they blow the lid off your dirty little secrets!

Ternan

FYI Every member of the Seal Team 6 that participated in the raid on bin laden is dead. They were killed in Afghanistan less then 2 months after the raid by a hand held anti airdraft rocket that brought down their chopper. The controlled media didn't spend much time on it.

Jeff-573598

"Judicial" punishment would have been a court-martial

Funny that this is the navy. I wonder how many people have heard of Delta and/or ever met anyone that was in it.

When I first got my Top Secret, SCI clearance in the Navy, I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement for 99 years. My later ones that I signed, as you are re-investigated in an SBI every 5 years and have to sign a new non-disclosure agreement each time, was for life. S non-disclosure agreement is an agreement not to tell any classified information you have learned to other people until that information has become declassified.

Robert Iwould buy that game, it should be full of action!

What a crock.

It's sad how the higher powers are zeroing in on our military. It seems like every day I hear

of military getting punished. So much for cutting them some slack for alltheir hard work.

These politicians have never been on a mission in their life,all they can do is sit back and punish

these guys.

Ooooooh K.....

So where is the DOJ in prosecuting whoever released classified information to Bollywood concerning the Osama bin Laden raid featuring Mr. Obama ?

Then there are the "other" LEAKS:

1. Disclosed U.S. cyber warfare against Iran' nuclear facility.
2. Disclosed procedures and "hit list" for targeting militants for drone attacks.
3. Disclosed existence of a double agent who penetrated a militant group in Yemen.
4. Disclosed airfield to be used by Israel for possible Iran nuclear facility attack.

Wait a minute, the details must be "cloaked" with the "Fast and Furious" information.

Frank, just for your information, the team that was killed was not the same SEAL team that killed OBL. Some may have been, but there are several different teams that comprise SEAL team six. Not that it matters. Even one death of any member of the military is one too many. I know that the story went around that all of that team was dead, but, it turned out not to be the case. Could have been, but wasn't.

So the "Seal" members can just do what the f^&k they want and don't have to be accountable for breaches of operational security and let alone using their active duty positions to make money.

As the President, as "Commander in Chief" he has the ultimate authority about what can be declassified or not.

AL-1735815....."So the "Seal" members can just do what the f^&k they want and don't have to be accountable for breaches of operational security and let alone using their active duty positions to make money. As the President, as "Commander in Chief" he has the ultimate authority about what can be declassified or not."

So.......this administration can do what it wants in releasing CLASSIFIED INFORMATION identified in # 1.34. Guess the President can do what the f^&k he wants.

BTW.....take a course in "who, what organizations, can declassify information".

When Obama called Six to get bin laden they answered and performed valiantly.

When a Seal called Obama from Libya for a little help .....no one answered

When a Seal makes a little extra money they find a way to demoralize him

What will we have when our military is beat up by our own commanders who do the politically correct thing rather than what is right???

Al;

Yeah, the Prez can disclose anything he wants,,,,, Especially if he thinks he can use it to get re-elected.

Oh wait, his "I got Bin Laden" and other revelations did just that, the blindly loyal and unenlightened flocked to the polls like Lemmings to put the Empty suit back in office. Oh well, if the country survives intact after another four years of the socialist in chief. Perhaps, people will wake up after their taxes increase exponentially and they have to ask the feds permission to buy a loaf of bread.

Here lies the Untied States of America, 1776 to 2012, death by suicide.

Dear Leader can do what he wants. The Armed forces are just his pawns. If he wants to watch a couple seals die on his drone cameras he can.

When Obama called the Seals they got Bin Laden. When the Seals called Obama they got denied.

Letter of reprimand and two months at half pay isn't anything. This particular Seal Team has been very disrespectful to President Obama as their Commander In Chief. What they did goes way beyond the oath they took.

I received a LOR as a PFC, E3, and retired 33 years later as 1SG/E8, US Army Infantry.

Oh, sure, let's try to go after some true heroes, who actually participated in numerous dangerous military ops, including killing OBL and allow a sorry weenie community organizer to try to grab the glory for himself, propping himself up for some new multi-million dollar bullsh** book deal. That sounds right, huh, America? Well to the 47% and the fools who voted for Bozobama again, ensuring the further decline of our great country, I guess so. How sad.

Old fat guy and Bob,

Why don't get out of the Faux "bubble" and really look at what the CIA released last Thursday on events that unfolded in Benghazi.

By the CIA account, agency officers based at the annex arrived at the besieged mission within 25 minutes of the initial attack. The agency also dispatched reinforcements from the embassy in Tripoli and arranged for a Libyan military convoy to escort US officials away from the mission to aircraft waiting to remove them to safety.

The CIA officers joined State Department security immediately upon arrival at the mission in a frantic and ultimately futile attempt to locate Ambassador Stevens, according to the account. Stevens’s body was later traced to an area hospital when hospital workers used the cell phone in the ambassador’s pocket to try to figure out who he was.

According to the account, a lull in fighting of several hours ensued, until about 5 a.m. on Sept. 12, when a barrage of mortars surprised those guarding the mission. It was in the mortar attack that Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, two CIA intelligence contractors previously identified as State Department security personnel, were killed.

The CIA’s decision to disclose its involvement in the response to the Benghazi attack reflects a broader effort among administration officials to debunk reports of a lack of coordination and cooperation among federal agencies as the Benghazi attack unfolded. One report by Fox News last week claimed that the CIA had barred its operatives on the ground in Benghazi from answering the mission’s SOS.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2012/1102/Benghazi-fallout-CIA-reveals-secret-intelligence-hub-was-nearby

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981737554

I mean the writting is on the wall about "Faux" after all they were reporting that Romney was going to win with 300 plus electoral votes...... and how did that work out for ya?

Not sure why people are so surprised these people are being held to a higher standard than this administration. It has done as it pleased for four years, holier than thou and do as we say not as we do. After all Holder can get our citizens murdered due to his inept leadership and not be held accountable so they have to set examples of somebody, why not make it our nations true heroes. Should they be doing this (the military) no, but should the details of their punishment or the fact that they did this be public? No, just another of a long line of an administration that can't keep anything secret except their own skeleton filled closets.

I feel that this President only in title, won due to the third world persons and his Muslim buddies. How can any man on this earth even think of taking these hero's to task after what they did for our country and this piece of @!$%# takes the credit. I hope that he is impeached to the letter of the law.

This man, if you want to call him one wants to bring down US as his buddies in the middle EAST want. When is America going to challenge this thing that is President. I pray he is taken to court and taken out of office,

So let me know when the military will be docking President Obama's pay... oh, I forgot, only politicians get away with blabbing about military operations.

In the U.S. Army, non-judicial punishment could be a letter of reprimand (formal letter scolding your actions and warning you not to repeat; if you do it will go further next time). And there were Article 15's. Back then, Article 15 was the highest level of Non-judicial punishment. With an Article 15 you could forfeit half a months pay for two months, demotion of one rank, confinement up to 45 days, and extra duty. The person handing out the punishment for the Rank of E1(Private) to E4(Corporal, Specialist Four) was a Company Grade Commander (Captain or Acting Captain). If the person was an E5 (Sergeant) or above, the person issuing the the Article 15 must be a Field Grade Officer (Major and above). The next level of punishment was Court Martial (judicial punishment). There are three levels: Summary, Special, and General Court Martial. A Summary has one judge; A Special has two, and I think a General has three. The golden rule about Article 15 is this, it must be a court martial offense in order to issue an Article 15. Meaning, the offense for which a soldier was given an Article 15 must also be a court martial offense. Why, very simple, if you call a soldier in to issue them an Article 15 and he refuses to sign it, then the next level would be a Summary Court Martial (which we called a Kangaroo Court because of one judge). But if the offense for which he is being punished for is not listed in the Manual of Court Martial, then the soldier could almost tell you to take a hike. And there is nothing you can do from that point on but make life a little difficult for him/her. But a reprimand in an Officers Military Personnel File (201 file) is death sentence on his/her career. Not necessarily so for the enlisted soldier. I used to process the paperwork for Article 15's and reprimands back in the day. However, things may have changed in the last 20 years since I got out. I sat in on several court martial cases, and became a character witness for two. There is another golden rule about court martial cases, it is almost impossible to beat one. It has been done on very, very rare occasions, but I have never known any in my career that were won by the accused. If any of these Seals are officers, they better plan their next career in the real world. Because the military one is over for them.

Emma Landers

Politicians didn't punish these servicemen. Their superiors did.

This was a military issue and was handled "extremely lightly" by the military. If anything, external politics resulted in these Seals getting a lighter penalty then they otherwise would have.

For the most point, one of the grandest issues I can see from this entire portion of the thread, is the lack of english proficiency. Most certainly in the early comments. I don't generally consider myself a grammar nazi, but some of the comments were ridiculously written. I am no expert, and I make mistakes quite often, but I can at least phrase together sentences. Meaning (in my opinion) these persons had little grasp on not only how the English Language is composed, but little comprehension of the military and especially of the special operational forces.

Spec Ops personnel are not and cannot be idiots. Times have become too complex for this scenario to come to fruition. I can also see the "tin-foil hat brigade" marching at the ready. No, regardless of your political opinions, just because you don't like the President, doesn't mean there's an evil conspiracy.

Get over it and yourself, you aren't any more important than the rest of us.

I'm not a big fan of Obama myself, but, at the same time he's the legally elected Commander-In-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. If you don't like it, petition your ELECTED officials for an amendment to the Constitution. You will most likely receive a giant Foxtrot Yankee. Suck it up and deal with it.

This is a subject worthy of healthy debate, it however cannot be done so with individuals unaware of the definition of "debate".

Another example of how screwed we are right now. Seriously? Dock a Seals' pay for this? Let them earn money any way they can as long as they don't divulge REAL military secrets. How is punishing a Navy Seal ok but letting Nobama's aunt whoever who is here illegally AND on the public dime not an issue?

Lets not punish Iran for fireing upon our drone, lets punish Seal Team Six! Osama is dead, and O'bama is alive! Bow to the Messiah!

It's an Article 15 and for career Military it's a promotion killer. The highest rank the enlisted person will be able to achieve is E-6, if they are higher than that then they will stay at that rank for the rest of their time in the military. For Officers it's game over for them. When they get to the end of their enlistment they will be kicked out. The pay and other crap is nothing compared to the long term consequences. Even a letter of reprimand is a career killer for an Officer.

I don't know what information they gave or the specifics so I can't really give an opinion. Looking at the Secret Information already released by this administration I don't see what they could have given that the public doesn't already know. Overall I feel anger and resentment that they got punished. These are guys who risk their lives over and over again. They have a 25% chance of dying before they get out. They see their team members getting shot and killed all the time. So, do I feel they should be given a little bit of slack... @!$%# yeah I do.

To me this feels like a Commander trying to cover his own ass and career. Sell out those under you so you can advance kind of bull@!$%#. It's not how you instill loyalty that is for sure. I don't know the specifics and the Commander may have been justified but why leak it to the press? "It's an example to the other sailors..." This just generates a feeling of "Go @!$%# yourself."

When I was a Private in the military and in Germany I had to work an outside job to make it. My Commander found out and took me in and talked with me. He found out how hard it was and gave me a different assignment so I could come in a little later. I was also given a promotion pretty damn quick after that. The job paid about $50.00 a night for three hours of work. If it hadn't been for my Squad Leader, my Platoon Sgt, the Lt., and the Commander I would have had some very hungry nights. My Commander made sure I was alright but also gave me the dignity and pride of letting me handle it myself. I would have died for my Commander.

That is all I have to say on this matter.

I'm pretty sure the "spineless officer" that handed down this punishment was a navy seal that served in vietnam and was the commander of an entire seal team in desert storm. So he probably has some right to bitch these guys out.

Hey, Robert Smith. What do you have against Bush?

Really got to hand it to the right, in 5 years it will be George W. ...who? History books will completely skip 43.

Starting a war over non-existent WMD is okay as long as there's R by the name. It hilarious how now the right get concerned about presidential powers and foreign policy. If Benghazi happened under Bush none of you would be saying a thing. Right and left would just switch positions whenever their guy isn't in power. That's sad.

OT: Military is strict, not much else to say. They got off easy.

Lets just relegate the parties down to *crips* and *bloods* as most that want to fight, have no idea what they are fighting for....just an opposing side that must be dealt with.

People, you are going to have to grow up and grow a pair, at some point in your lives. Before you question authority, question yourselves. Your legacy is what you make of it, dont let it be that you were an idiot.

they will not have a problem finding work; Black Water is always hiring, sny number of Arab Caliphates are willing to pay big money to any SEAL trained ex-patriots, then there are drug catels... if these guys really wanted to go for the money, there is a lot of work where they could get paid the big bucks to exercise the special skills they have been taught.

In someways - they were making training films for would be terrorists ... just as much as they are are providing developers of "games" with How-to-tactics.

They should know better.Now they do, the line needed to be re-drawn, there has been more "leakage" in the last few years than has been guessed at or reported in the previous 30.

It's an Article 15 and for career Military it's a promotion killer. The highest rank the enlisted person will be able to achieve is E-6, if they are higher than that then they will stay at that rank for the rest of their time in the military. For Officers it's game over for them. When they get to the end of their enlistment they will be kicked out. The pay and other crap is nothing compared to the long term consequences. Even a letter of reprimand is a career killer for an Officer.

Sorry Sir Charles... I don't see it that way. Special Ops don't get Article 15 or courts marshel. This (as reported) is/was meant to be a very public humiliation for the whole team. Recently, team 6 has been running their mouths like a pack school girls, talking about the hot guy they all want to give it up for.

There was a public reveal of about Delta force, and how they screwed up in their attempt to rescue the diplomats during the Carter years. It was reported as a mechanical failure, they lost a Sea Knight chopper and ended up having to abort the mission - that cost our country a very embarrassing moment. The hostages spent 400 days in captivity over the screw up.

When these guys screw up its a big deal. They get the pick of the best of everything to insure that equipment is not an excuse.

Team six moved up a notch, when Delta Force screwed the pooch. Now Team six might be the "support" team for a few years. The money, the article 15... that's just icing on the cake, the real pain is like going from playing in the big leagues - them being sent back to playing "A" ball in some @!$%# hole, semi-pro team in central America. Or being the Top driver for Audi,Penske,Porsche - then being told you either leave or take a back driver position.

Thats gott'a hurt.!!! They should have stopped this grab for glory BS - inside the team instead of it having to be handled by the commander.

No one in their community is gonna give a damn about them getting paid to help make a video game more realistic. If anything everyone is jelous as hell they didnt get the chance. So they an offical letter of reprimand and they lost a total of one months pay(which isn't that much). In the millitary you have to get premission before getting another job(Moonlighting).

hey jon

still a little bitter about losing, i see

hahahhahaha...sucks being you

SEAL's aren't rich, but based on military rank + time in service + Special pay factors such as Hazardous Duty, Flight and Combat+ various training and certifications (dive, paratroop, jump) + off post housing (if married)+ per diem andother. You also have to figure that SEAL, have 8 - 10 years by the time they make it to big show.

Even better, they probably have very few expenses or distractions).

I figure $7K - $10K for enlisted (E-6 to E-8), warrant Officer somewere in between enlisted and officer and about 8K - 18K for officers

I see comment after comment where people keep tossing out "well Obama revealed the secrets first!!"

Let me clarify something. You have no f*ckng clue what you are talking about. You are so wrapped up in the rhetoric you never bothered to check whether or not what you are saying was actually true. The comments those SEALS made in that "video" have already been debunked. The picture they used showing Obama smiling in front of the White House theater with celebs was taken a year prior to Bin Laden's death so couldn't possibly have been related.

How about you guys do your own reading instead of letting the puppet masters shove a hand up your ass and do all the talking for you?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/20/special-operations-opsec-education-fund/group-says-obama-revealed-secret-information-holl/

Beowolf- Your way off on pay. Now they do get Secial duty pay but it isn't that high. Here are the figures from the US Military pay Chart 2013: E-6(8yrs) $3196.50 Basic pay E-8(8yrs) $3920.34 Basic. And officers O-1(8yrs) $3619.04 Basic pay O-7 1* Gen (8yrs) $9381.90. Add at max another 1K for non-deployed special duty pay. Under paid and over worked but still love the job. Semper Fi

Beowulf your information is incorrect. It was a Special Forces Unit called Blue Light who conducted the operation into Iran. Delta was formed after that disaster as was Seal Team 6, 160th Spec. Op. Aviation, and Joint Spec. Ops. Command.

There were many reasons on why the missions failed in 1980. Biggest one was training or the lack of. Poorly maintained Aircraft was another big reason. The Pilots were never briefed on the weather and thus ran into a Haboob. And pretty much it was a cluster @!$%# from the word go.

Seal Team 6, Delta, and 160th SOAR are Tier 1. They work together often. The 160th SOAR is the Helicopter Battalion that all special Operations use.

If they got deducted in pay then they got an AR-15. I think it's crap. They put their lives on the line all the time and we have a Presidents Administration leaking all kinds of @!$%# all the time. They were just following their Commander in Chiefs example.

"CuongDNguyen says

Taliban often uses video game to train their members for attack. The more realistic and accuracy the game got to the real world, the more success and comprehensive of the attack location the Taliban will have on us."

If they use this game or any other shooter game they will be dead in 20 seconds. LOL

reasons why:

They will not get their wounds magically healed by sitting still for 10 seconds

They will not return from the dead over and over again.

Good tactics aren't running and gunning into a hail of bullets like you're a super hero. That shezz will get you and your buddy killed..

In short if they're dumb enough to use a PC shooter game for training it'll make it easier to kill them.

By the way I've played the game in question and feel the SEAL dudes did a terrible job as the game seems more like a crazy "lets charge in and get them" game than what I would think a real SEAL operation would be like. I think they just used the SEAL's for a marketing gimmick

Heroes don't sell classified information.

If you don't punish selling classified information then you set a precedent that it's okay to sell classified information.

People who sell classified information have no business serving in top secret security positions. If you ask me they got a slap on the wrists.

If you're a professional hero warrior start acting like it. Only the best of the best should be at this level.

Smell like BS.

These guys would not compromise methods and sources.

And there is a hell of a lot of "classified" material that is available with just a GOOGLE.

NJK85

Beowolf- Your way off on pay. Now they do get Secial duty pay but it isn't that high.

You left off the Combat Tax Exclusion, which means they get the entire base pay + whatever assorted duty pay.

Wow... there are so many dumb comments being posted here that I do not know where to start. But I think that I will go in a totally different direction than what I'm seeing... and I think most veterans will understand...

"The SEALs worked as paid consultants for Electronic Arts, the company that made "Medal of Honor Warfighter."

First, that statement right there... they took money for what they did, the argument could have been, if you take money for this, what else would you take money for... and Navy SEALs are no different from anyone else when it comes to money, and NO ONE is above reproach.

Second, I've been retired since 1998, and I know that's a long time, but, I do remember that if someone needed\wanted a part-time job, permission needed to come from their commander... and in my these guys KNEW there was no friggin way they were going to get permission to participate in this project.

Third, in September, Rear Admiral Sean Pybus, Commander of Naval Special Warfare Command sent a letter to his command basically telling them to "...shut up...", they're talking too much. I can't find an article, but here is a link (not sure of the credibility of the website itself) and a link to the MSNBC article.

Last, I just wish people would quit making knee jerk comments about something they have no clue about other than everyone loves a Navy S.E.A.L. these guys broke the rules and it is that simple, and they would probably be the first to say it, so please stop justifying a wrong... as a retired member of the military I love them all, but when you step on it, it tends to hurt really bad. Check out the links.

http://ethicsalarms.com/2012/09/05/ethics-quote-of-the-day-rear-admiral-sean-pybus/

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/04/13663286-commander-navy-seals-reveal-too-many-secrets?lite

they punished them for helping create a video game but Obama didnt get punished for giving all the secrets to hollywood

In case you haven't noticed - BO is the Commander in Chief - so basically... it's up to him what classified info he wants to release to the public... since, yaknow, he's kind of in charge of that stuff.

Enlisted sailors don't have that option.

It's called the chain of command.

This is nothing but a political move by the NAVY, what aload of @!$%#.

Chris- Your right about the tax free but that only counts for the days you are in a tax free zone. Thats why I left it out

Np :)

We used to always re-enlist when we got to the Gulf. In my first one it saved me $8,000 that would have gone as tax.

Actually Schuklak and others, when it comes to the declassification of classified material, IT DOES NOT REST with the POTUS, it rests with the originating agency. Compartmentalized information and materials therefore rest with the Major Command responsible for the operation plan, tactics, targets, load outs, mission objectives, team composition, logistics, etc. Therefore, in the case of a special operations team mission ALL of the Compartmentalized Classified Information rests with the US Special Operations Command.

2ndly for you buffoons that seem to think Obama is above keeping HIS MOUTH SHUT on classified missions, the legal definition of Treason is to commit acts of war against one's nation or provide material support to one's enemies. Therefore, the disclosure of classified information that is used to provide intelligence to the enemy (and in our day and age, pretty much includes anyone) is treasonous. Barracky Poo needs to learn to keep his big mouth shut, and that means for everything like confirming the identity of a special operations team, to confirming the use of classified drone aircraft, to providing access by the media and film makers to vital nerve centers from which classified operations are carried out, to the CONSTANT LEAKS of sensitive information that seems to fly from his administration faster than @!$%# flies at an exlax factory. HE as Commander in Chief, has the same responsibility to protect that classified information as any soldier, sailor, or airman. And personally, he should be held just as accountable as the next guy, even more so, being the HMFIC who is supposed to be the EXAMPLE of OPSEC/COMSEC.

I am almost surprised that he doesn't tweet the damned launch codes for our nation's nuclear arsenal with as much as he flaps his face over stuff he would be best served by keeping his gob shut.

As far as these SEALS go and the Art 15s they recieved, most certainly ANY Art 15 is a career killer these days, especially when you consider the libtard rally cry to dessimate the military with downsizing and RIFs.

scott m-438437

@Wakeupnow. You are obviously not a veteran, so don't talk about things that you don't understand.

Actually, I am a veteran, I did two tours in Iraq. Just because I am not brainwashed to the self destructive politics of military personnel does not mean that I don't know what I am talking about. This occurs because we have an apathetic public, press, and president (Bush and Obama). If anyone does an iota of research about the destruction of military families by the military courts you would realize my point. You should all go back to Dancing With The Stars because all anyone does is talk a big game about how they support the troops, but none of you really do. It is shameful to see such a self convincing lie.

Hey Will, this 'buffoon' would like to inform you that you haven't a f*cking clue.

Please tell us what classified information he's supposedly given out. I assume you a referring to those claims that that group calling itself OPSEC made in that video. A video which was in fact debunked shortly after it came out.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/20/special-operations-opsec-education-fund/group-says-obama-revealed-secret-information-holl/

Sorry but your claims of treason just show you're another butthurt con lashing out in childish frustration. If Obama wants to tell the world we're using drones someplace, that's his call. Who are you to say different?

Lastly, let me mention the biggest proof that you're talking out your ass. Do you really think that if Obama was doing something naughty, or illegal, or "treasonous" like you claim, that Congress wouldn't have been the first motherf*ckers to jump up screaming for his head? Those Republicans would jump up in a heartbeat calling for impeachment. Hell, it would have been topic number one during the debates if there was even the slightest truth to any of your claims.

So do us a favor. STFU.

Really Chris, for someone that doesn't have a fckin clue, I sure as hell spent 21 years dealing with operational classified information, to include Operational Security, Communications Security, to compartmentalized intelligence, so I would certainly say my "cluelessness" is a hell of a lot more hands on, than your buffoonish retardation.

And just FYI, I could care less WHO is in the White House. The POTUS has a responsibility in keepin his mouth shut on covert military operations. Treasonous conduct is providing that material aid and information to the enemies, regardless of whatever jackass sits in the oval office. And as you are indeed intellectually braindead, I would suggest you take heed of your own advice and STFU, and perhaps get your own head out of that cavernous hole you call your ass, and get an education before you start flappin your face. But that I know is a bit much to ask for especially when it is asked of a libtard.

And incidently, confirming the existance of a covert military operations team, whose identity is supposed to remain classified, sure as hell when spouted off by your messiah of socialism (Seal team 6 got him) that pretty much says it all. Or how about this little tidbit, the confirmation that a stealth helicopter was downed during that raid, or how about all of the recent leaks of the use of those classified drone aircraft. The only secret this current administration can keep is how many more of Barrack's family members are here and sucking off the public tit as illegal immigrants. We already know of 2...

Valerie Elise Plame Wilson... was outed...

that was revenge, this action with the SEAL team going off he reserve; is punishment for leaking training. In many ways its the same as the mistake made by the pentagon cleark, handing over government plans to the idiot who posted them on the internet.

Even if only 1, 5, or 10% was "really" secret.... that might be the 1%, the baad guys needed to add to all the other pieces they already got from another guy bragging over something he thought wasn't important.

When will Obama get punished for Benghazi ?

I checked my sources - the concencus is - Obama will be called in to testify... about 7 or 8 years - after GW is called in to explain about the WMD's not being found in Iraq. One day they were there - then, whoosh, they were gone. Nowhere to be found.

They shoulkd have used the uranium sniffing dogs, they can track anything radioactive. only problem is they can only be used once. ;)

Tillman was not a seal.

Does not matter he was still an American serving his country, his death should NOT of been treated as oh well he got killed in the line of duty and then much later they came clean and said it was friendly fire.

But still covered up.

he wasn't stating he was, he said family of soldiers, soldiers is a broad spectrum of military personell

I don't think the point of his comment was to imply that Tillman was a seal. It sounds more like he was addressing accountability on all levels of the military not just SEALS.

I know that. You missed the whole point of my comment which was the Military needs to be held accountable just as well as the soldiers do. Regardless of the circumstance. They cant pick and choose what they want to disclose to the public and family's. A high standard of accountability should apply to everyone.

"We are and will be held to a high standard of accountability" Does that go for the President? Benghazi!!

tillman was airborn ranger and he gave up his carear to serve his country, hats off to all of our armedforces. my family have a long line of military service starting back to when we took our country from the british all the way to my native american side trying to keep our hunting lands all the way to 3 generations of us in vietnam. Hell now we need to take it away from washington ,our armedforces are the best in the world but only if the politicians and bootlickers would get out of the way, the seals got a raw deal anyway you look at if. promotion will be affected non the less. love you brothers in arms

Cover-ups and misinformation usages are done now more then ever because of people like us who can't shut their collective mouths on threads our nation's enemies all have access to. If the american populace could be trusted to keep their mouths and opinions closed in regards to these things maybe the goverment wouldn't have to treat you like unworthy children.

And it was covered up by the Bush Administration.

First of all, if this story were true, it would not have been leaked to some reporter. The U.S. military has it's ways of making people keep secrets. It's called the C.I.A. This story is bogus. Now the guy wrote the book about OBL, that's probably true. He no longer serves with the USN.

The sad thing is, after all this trouble, the game is still not that great. Typical FPS if you ask me.

As far as the story goes, it's amazing. but as far as playing as a "tier one operator" it's not realistic in any sense. Granted, it's a video game. But now these SEALs are in trouble for it. You'd think after all this, it'd be somewhat more...well, realistic.

@Bringit

"The official did not say what, if any, information the SEALs revealed by participating in the video game's development. However, a written statement from Deputy Commander of Naval Special Warfare, Rear Admiral Garry Bonelli, indicates this is more about making an example of these sailors after a string of high-profile SEAL products."

You say the story is fake....yet the Deputy Commander of Naval Special Warfare, Garry Bonelli, acknowledges it as true?

It's not so much what they reveled ... it's he fact that the advertisement used SEAL's as advertisement. even though each of these yahoos is a SEAL.The game is not sanctioned by "SEAL's".

Put it this way... If I were a doctor and worked for AMA, there is a difference between me say that I recommend some medicine vs. me saying that "I" recommend something.

In the past election, General Colin Powell endorsed President Obama; what he didn't do is say - was Repbulican party recommend President Obama. There is difference.

Yeah, things do seem to be a bit out of proportion. Punish minor offenses; let big offenders off the hook. Get used to this the next four years.

Maybe it is a good time to leave the military and join a militia....

Come on you know the messiah, can do no wrong.

Excellent point! Here's another - was the "assistance" they gave material to anything? If it was just making things look more realistic then it is pretty ridiculous. But, there might be a regulation against any profit motive at all. In that case - they're in the wrong. This administration loves to beat it's chest on bin Laden. I don't recall George Bush Sr. beating his chest that he was responsible for the downfall of the Soviet Union? Although, he could certainly say he was a major part of it as the VP when those policies were developed and implemented.

You failed to understand that the president has more power and can declassify some information. The movie got permission from the White House, while the SEAL members did not.

What "detailed info about SEAL operations" in the movie are you talking about? I'd really would like to know. Seems I've read and learned more about "detailed info about SEAL operations" in a Tom Clancy novels in the last two decade then in that movie.

Like "Hit Girl" said; it will hurt their standing with their fellow SEALs.."

Good try though!

I see you are having a little difficulty telling the difference between decisions of generals and decisions of privates.

@CuongDNguyen

You failed to understand that the president has more power and can declassify some information. The movie got permission from the White House, while the SEAL members did not.

So... what exaclty? Are you saying that makes it ok?? Because he has the authority means anything is acceptable?

Just because you can doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Besides, EA has ruined the MOH game anyway.

If you are questioning this decision then you have not served in the military. Yours is not to reason why, yours is but to do or die. That's the way it has to be folks, you have to have a chain or command or it would be total chaos

Minority Mandate

I see you are having a little difficulty telling the difference between decisions of generals and decisions of privates.

If both are done solely for self-interest why should it matter if one is done by a Private and the other a General?

Minority you beat me to it.

If these videos expose Seal tactical information to our enemies, both foreign and domestic, it seems it could make them more vulnerable in those situations, and if one person was hurt or killed because of those videos that makes the whole thing a very bad idea. I was in the submarine service in the 60's and some info I knew then I would not want certain countries to know now.

Well Obama can do no wrong, only white presidents can. Remember, this guy got peace prize for just being elected the first time. I guess he will be crowned grand phoobah this time around.

This was already vetted by politifact and factcheck as being another right-wing extremist attack full of lies. What is funny is that you cling to these lies, even though Obama won the election in a landslide.

Americans have given Obama a mandate and the conservatives will be extinct very soon. Conservatives are the new minority - so stop whining - you have it easy compared to those that you have beaten, abused, lynched and murdered.

The house conservatives have created this fiscal cliff - and shortly their politcal careers will be leaping from it.

Empress 409

care to detail what this militia's supposed intent is?

@zztopps

Americans have given Obama a mandate...

9 million FEWER people voted for Obama this time than last. And you call that a mandate??? Really? Is there any piece of BS rhetoric you won't believe? Considering you think a couple of percentage points a "landslide" I guess I already know the answer to that question.

You shouldn't defame the real zztop by defiling their name for your user name. Not all people who are conservative are extreme republicans. This country has changed dramatically since my birth in 1960. A lot of things occurred that we need but just as many things have taken us down a pretty crappy road. Conservative can also mean a person who has respect for self and others, for their bodies, for their family and children, they value hard work, self reliance, personal responsibilty, accountability for their own actions, are self supporting, not out looking for those "free" things that are so tempting to well, just about half this country. You will never stop a vast amount of people in this country from having morals and values.Many of us will be teaching our children and grandchildren the rich history of this country. ABout all the people that came before us and how they fought, suffered, died even for the personal freedoms we all know enjoy. I'm not even talking abouat religious morals etc.. You can be responsible, respectful and accountable for your self just because it's whats right!!! That's a huge problem in this country, it's way easier to screw up, to be a taker, to mooch off every social program out there and to contribute litte or nothing. When somebody posts crap like old fashioned values are dead, old people are not relevant, being a decent hard working person is wrong I just want to puke!!

But it was OK for the Obama Administration to provide detailed info about SEAL operations to the makers of a movie about the killing of Osamba Bin Laden.

This bull squat...

The whole, cover was riped off that mission by congress (conservatives) bitching and moaning about why they were not consulted.

When it comes to This President vs. This Congress ... any good deed will be punished, no matter how low they have too stoop to dig up some dirt.

The mission was only hours over - when they start whining about why the helicopter was left. Totally ignoring the fact the after 10 years, Osama Bin Laden finally got what he earned. He deserved a burial at sea - with no recognition. But even then - some Conservatives were whining about proof.

They need to make up heir minds - Somethings have to be done, dropped and forgot. But if they insist on opening up the box- then, it also fair to tell the public about too.

Well Obama can do no wrong, only white presidents can.

You idiots keep saying crap like that and Obama keeps cleaning up the messes. I haven' t heard him say anything remotely close to White this or that.

If anything - he's pushing back the mob that want GW tried for War Crimes. GW was allowed do what he thought was necessary.

Screwworld: First off, people do fall on hard times and these same people have contributed to society also. They have paid taxes but they lost their jobs and and now needs some assitance from the government. Secondly, you can be a liberal and have all those qualities plus compassion and understanding for your fello man. Conservatives can also learn how how to mind their own business and deal with issues that only affect them and let every other person lives their own lives and make their own decisions. They lack compassion and understanding for their fellow man, are very judgemental, and are very nosy. They also are very religious, which is not a good thing. Because the Phariseeds and the Saduceeds were also very religious. Thats exactly why Christ didnt agree with them. And this is a more real picture of conservatives. And for your last comment I have been on these threads alot and I have never read any comment like that. Period.

Just like a damn conservative to swear up and down that everbody on goverment asisstance is looking for a handout and wants everything free. Ah yes, they never ever want to work and actually have their own homes, their own cars, and actually make some real dollars. Naw they just want to live their lives depending on the government forever, because that is the American dream. That is just what they watnted all of their lives: to be broke and never own anything, never travel the world, never get out of the projects never stand on their feet and become somebody who makes a real difffernce. Yep. Its official this exactly what they want for themselves. You guessed it. Wow. (sarcasm intended).

@sweetcancer2485

Just like a damn conservative...

Conservative this, liberal that...You're both flip sides of the same damn coin. Neither give a real crap about personal freedoms and choice, you just pick different issues on which to try and force your opinions upon others while at the same time conning yourselves into believing it's only the "other" guys who do it. Ridiculous.

... But it was OK for the Obama Administration to provide detailed info about SEAL operations to the makers of a movie about the killing of Osamba Bin Laden...

Anything sent out or approved for dissemination by top officials has been reviewed and approved for release by several levels of Military, some select committees in congress .. at the very least.

I would guess that they may have included some "misdirection" along with facts. (proof: the WMD's which allowed the UN to approve the invasion - some folks were not informed of all the facts. That mad it easier for them to really "sell" the story).

You have to have he full picture before you decide what is OK to reveal and what is classified. That decision is way above th pay grade of someone who in carrying out his duty, may be captured, interrogated.

ever heard of "need to know"...SEAL's may have access to information way above "Top Secret" but they are not always on the "need to know" list for everything involved with their missions.

In the vernacular of the TV shows where you get your information - Information is often compartmentalized. There is n reason for any one person to have access to all the information to do their part of the job. You can bet - there was some things which are not known to the President - until and unless it becomes necessary for him to be informed, same with congress.

Do you call them that to their face granite you big mouthed puke?

And you're unwilling to share your source on this why? Could it be because you don't have one and are stating speculation as if it were fact?

I'm sure that the Taliban, who will use it as a training tool, hope so as well.

EA made it, so it will suck

Do you get to shoot unarmed women and old men in the game just like the SEALs? How about leaving a helicopter behind during a "super secret" raid? I want it to be just like the real SEAL mission!

As part of Dick Cheney's secret program to conduct political assassinations, the CIA hired Blackwater, the shady group of Christian vigilantes for hire whose founder was recently implicated in a murder, to assist in the operation...

Our special forces guys are not mercenaries - Thank God. They still have an operating On /Off switch.

cunical! What?

Cunical do you mean that if they were a minority, muslim, female or homosexual than there is no way they would have been reprimanded as we can't insult any of those groups in any way??? IF so you should have left out female unless she is one of the other three as well.

In general - I'd bet the military and Special ops teams let you in on ability - you don't have time for stupid crap...

There is only one color on duty - Green. Save all that other stuff when you are taking your annual leave.

Cunical- The only one that you are right about are the females. Thats because women are not aloud in combat specialties. And before I get a billion people wanting to blast me for being a womanizer, listen. They are not pyhsically able to complete the requirements and this was tested not to long ago in the Corps where a few women signed up to go through the infantry officers course and dropped out. As for the rest, its a bunch of crap.

@Tammy --- It's a shame our elected officials and their minions aren't required to take the same "oath".

Tammy, did you read the book? I did and it was very interesting and did not divulge any more than what the media had covered. Only difference, it cleared up some of the hazy areas the media is so good at developing. And, by the way, the majority of the proceeds go to 3 charities to assist the SEALS.

Only the president can reveal secrets of the seals, which he did.

"Only the president can reveal secrets of the seals, which he did" - for purely selfish, personal political reasons. Yes, he technically has the authority to release any information he wants. Info is supposed to be classified because release of that info would be damaging to the United States, but nevermind, barry needed a movie released before the elections.

Crisp- Not even the prez is allowed to release classified information. It has to be declassified and he doesn't even have the authority to do that. Totally different part of the government. Where do you get your jacked up info from?????

... But it was OK for the Obama Administration to provide detailed info about SEAL operations to the makers of a movie about the killing of Osamba Bin Laden...

Anything sent out or approved for dissemination by top officials has been reviewed and approved for release by several levels of Military, some select committees in congress .. at the very least.

I would guess that they may have included some "misdirection" along with facts. (proof: the WMD's which allowed the UN to approve the invasion - some folks were not informed of all the facts. That mad it easier for them to really "sell" the story).

You have to have he full picture before you decide what is OK to reveal and what is classified. That decision is way above th pay grade of someone who in carrying out his duty, may be captured, interrogated.

ever heard of "need to know"...SEAL's may have access to information way above "Top Secret" but they are not always on the "need to know" list for everything involved with their missions. Top secret clearance ain't what it used to be - it's barely in the beginner level clearances.

In the vernacular of the TV shows where you get your information - Information is often compartmentalized. There is n reason for any one person to have access to all the information to do their part of the job. You can bet - there was some things which are not known to the President - until and unless it becomes necessary for him to be informed, same with congress.

no you fit right in with fox rush and beck

Right Tom, just another dickhead

Attempting to excuse the bad behavior of one person by pointing out the bad behavior of another is a slippery slope. Basically, you have not made any relevant point except that there are more than one person in this world that has little or no honor. In this case, I think, the less said about it the better. I think whomever told the media about this incident was irresponsible and the news, itself, not worth mentioning. Just another gamer thing....Now, it is State secrets being thrown around. BS.

BTW....Eric....You are a coward and are lacking in any sense of patriotism or honor....Just another one of the ME, ME, ME generation.

No your not the only one. Unfortunately were stuck with these people for the next four years. Now it's time for the work to begin. If we don't want to see the total deterioration of this country those of us who didn't vote Obama have to get to work, get politically active and start changing things.

So if you think this is so right, WHAT should happen to the people who failed to give support or aid to our Ambassador, 2 NAVY SEALS and another Embassy worker? They do nothing if the issue is important and bring the full weight of the military against games and books. Insanity at its best.

That goes for all service members, not just special forces. After watching the media for the past few months, nothing is secret, sacred, or honorable. Senior officers dismissed for doing their job, frequent command removal, and military members constantly being brow beat or called murderers in a war zone. Then they let a know terrorist kill his own service members and they call it workplace violence. The only thing I see is disruption of the Armed Services and power abuse. It is more like the Commander and Thief. SEA, AIR, LAND!

you getting all your information from fox news i see, I know this because the official announcement has never been made. Keep spewing your lies and misrepresentations

Thanks for keeping up the honored tradition men and you are right dodger, don't mess with the best. SEA< AIR< LAND. You guys got off easy, so watch your backs and remember your wost day was yesterday.

thought the saying was your easiest day was yesterday.

LMAO Smokey- we know what you ment but that is funny.

You are right. What does the administration know of the hard work involved with the

military. They can sit and punish those brave young men and without them the administration would be lost.

You hit the nail on the head alright775. It is fine for the divider-in-cheif to exploit the hell out of their hard work for a campaign video, or for him to leak confidential and secret information on numerous occassions for his own political gain. I say as long as they did not divulge any mission specific information, they should be free to do as they wish as consultants. He can hide his crimes behind executive priveledge while hanging out to dry those who made him look like a hero because he happened to be in office when they got Bin Laden.

were you this mad when libby outed a cia agent? somehow i doubt it.

Forecon Stingray here! Go Semper Fi

Semper Fi. God Bless

force recon, the G.R.A.W. (ghost recon advanced warfighter) series had force recon in it. it was also a gaming clan that i used to know. it also had the most realistic gun sounds and explosions i've ever seen or heard in a video game.

i don't know why the military cares that these guys did this. if they're worried terrorists will use this game to learn something about us i have 2 things to say

it's made by EA and so it's glitchy as hell and won't work right.

it's made by EA so it's sales will suck after the last one was so horrible.

AMEN Jenzmo. I whole-heartedly agree.

At least these guys are working to protect our country - unlike the idiot in Washington that won't call a terror attack a terror attack.....takes credit for the work real mean do to protect us.....lets our men get killed and covers it up......If they profit by a video game then good for them!!! We sure as hell aren't profiting by giving away foodstamps, free telephones, and #1 citizenship to aliens!

1 million percent agree Jenzmo.

I am still trying to figure how the voting ballots of the military men and women over seas got here 2 weeks early and were labled anmunition and than just found on the day after the election. acourse the liberals said they could not be counted, but they are still counting Florida? Yea Obama treats the military with a lot of disrepect. Look what going on with the Fort Hood shooting, because Obama said it was a violent work place, the families of those soliders that were killed get no military benefits. Yea he loves the military.

You are naive. Do you really think Obama gave truth about all this to the press? Hell no! Presidents would never give the real facts about any operation like this. For all we know, bin laden was killed in Canada. We will never know the real truth. They don't want us to know the truth. There is a secret society within the U.S. government. Mostly has to do with the Free Masons. I will probably be kidnapped for saying this. At least I hope so! I have a surprise for the person who does it.

Hey Bringit, that pop you hear will be your head coming out of you ass

Yeah Bringit, we'll never know the truth but the grand-kids may. It becomes public 50-years after the death of the last participant.

Create chaos in the military and gain power control. Punish your heroes and reward those that will do anything that they are told and you will gain control. You are right! You have no idea what the truth is, except what is going on now is not correct or effective. I think they call it dysfunctional. SEA, AIR, LAND.

Our military personnel must be held to our USMJ standards, commissioned and enlisted. This failure to follow our rules is the real Republican "trickle down" effect that will destroy the democracy we claim to want. FOX News is pursuing the President on the embassy attack in Benghazi as if we now provide news agencies play-by-play information updates on our most critical national security issues. They would NEVER impose this garbage on Republican public servants but they use it against Democrats in an attempt to convince their viewers the President is keeping information from them in an effort to hide a blunder. This is disingenuous at least, corrupt and anti-American at worst. FOX knows attacks like this prompt a lot of background activities by our secret services and military and that facts require more than the knee-jerk "weapons of mass destruction" response these practices previously provided. Why conservatives don't insist on more responsibility from their leaders is beyond my comprehension but it's dragging our country down and has to stop - one way or another.

I think EA should be required to pull the game. After all its US Military stuff inside the game even if they claim otherwise.

Suspect this is more reciprocity about the criticisms of the current Administration by the SEALS - apparently all is fair game except for criticism of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Let the citizens willing to fight and die for all have the opportunity to receive compensation for creativity - what are we coming to, oh yeah, just look at the election results...

You must be pretty desperate to say that... I guess its true what some folks say; when you have no facts - just make up something, the true idiots will buy it, knowing its false, just as long as it fits the profile for something they were thinking of doing (if they had anything that might get damaged from a swift kick in the sack)

Yes, there seems to be a double standard that politicians can do whatever they want and there is no

accountability. This is a great time for all politicians to be unpaid, no vacations, just voluntary work, no

retirement. The U.S. is bankrupt, and the main reason for a federal government was to coordinate a

military defense. Only the military should be paid. Budget the big government spenders. No more money to foreign countries and the United Nations. No more government ownership of anything.