kraussk - I too am a cold war vet, served in Desert Shield/Desert Storm, in Bosnia, in the middle East, the Far East, South and Central America, and served in combat. I am a disabled war vet, and I get very uneasy when people say thank you for your service. I honestly don't know why it makes me feel strange, and even on Veterans Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, when people stop and say thank you, I can't help but to feel both humbled and strange. I think about those brothers in arms that have made that ultimate sacrifice. I think about those that quite honestly have it far worse than me. It makes me think about those men and women who sacrificed and now call under a bridge home, or how they dine from dumpsters on food that gets thrown away. But most of all, it makes me think of those who took my spot on that wall defending our freedoms. It makes me uneasy because it was my duty. I didn't serve for the thank you's, or the shirt candy, or the promotions, or even for the fanfare and parades. I guess in retrospect, I did it to pay back to the country that provides me the opportunity to live the American Dream, to pay homage to those that served before me, to honor them with the same level of dedication and patriotism to something larger than just me.

I know many times I can be crass and short with folks on here. And perhaps that comes with that service, to be willing and many times having to put the greater good of the country before my own selfish wants, needs, and desires. I guess in a sense it has given me a better appreciation for the things most people take for granted, and it truly pisses me off when people put the politics before the country. In alot of ways, I kind of feel alone. The thank you for your service may be sincere or it may be as meaningless and rhetorical as saying hello, how are you to a stranger. But with me, all I can think about is those veterans less fortunate than myself. After having now 19 surgeries to put me back together as a result of that service, I still consider myself more blessed than some of my fellow vets. The ones I mentioned before.

If gratitude was ever meant to be sincere, I would much rather for go the pleasantries with the thank you's and ask the country to do more for those vets that don't have that roof over thier heads, the simple things like wholesome food on a table, and decent clothes on thier backs. Whether they served in combat or not, I find it really painfully difficult to accept that "gratitude" for my service when I know the plight of my fellow veterans. It is just my personal take on it, and not meant to disparage or take away from the well wishes from my fellow citizens.

Navy Vet here, 11 years. It still feels weird to accept thanks for doing my job. I did Kosovo and Operation Northern Watch pre 9/11. Nothing like the service members are doing today. I can't imagine going to Iraq, but if they ordered me to, I would go. I t was my job, and it kinda still is, as my husband is still serving in the Navy.

Regardless, to all of us who have served or currently serving: Thanks for doing your job. More importantly, thanks for volunteering to do your job. I got to stand the shoulders of the giants before me, and I hope I helped others to stand even more tall.

I am an 8-year Air Force veteran, and although I was in minor danger at times, I served at a relatively peaceful time. The guys, who really get my admiration and thanks are the ones, who had to actually fight, and risk their lives during combat, or other similar action. I only did my job, although I did it very well.

Another strange emotion I have: My head knows better, but my heart always feels guilty that I did not have to risk more, and actually fight.

Terms of "thank you for your service" have become too general and routine such as "have a nice day." I am irritated not by someone thanking me for my service but the general tone and lack of sincere meaning when they say it.

The biggest offenders are employees of Lowes and Home Depot. Both stores, I'm sure, instructed all of their employees to say that from their boss and other phrases like "may I help you?", "Did you find everything?" and half the time they aren't even looking at you but told to make the words. That is offensive too.

Too all Veterans: We know what it is to serve and join the ranks of all veterans before us who served for the same cause, a unique experience we will always have and take to the grave, thank you.

Dick, let me start off with, "Thank You for your service". Now let me tell you why I tell veterans that.

When I was a young boy, my father told me a story of how he talked his other two brothers into enlisting into the service ,during WWII. My father and his brothers went to enlist, his brothers were signed up but he failed the physical, they found he had a bad heart. His two brothers served in WWII,one was wounded,but both ,thank God, returned home. My dad always regretted that he could not serve the country he so dearly loved. His bad heart took his life at the very young age of 47, I was a 11 year old boy and i lost my best friend.From that day on ,I always said i would join the service when I graduated from high school,to take my dads place.Well then came the end of Vietnam,and I saw this nation ,spit on it's veterans , call them terrible names and it made me sick,I told myself ,why would I want to serve such an ungratefully ,heartless country,so i did not sign up.

Today I am glad to see a different America, one that is proud and gratfull,of its veterans,an America that shakes it's veterans hands and says "Thank You",instead of spitting on them. So when you here people say thank you ,it should make you feel good,and by all means ,if you ever meet me and I shake your hand and say,"Thank You". you can be assured that i mean it from the bottom of my heart.

In contrast to those who didn't come home or who left body parts behind, many veterans and service members believe they haven’t done anything extraordinary to earn your individual admiration. They just completed (or are performing) their assigned tasks. They were compensated for the work. in return, some also got college educations plus federal health care and pensions. They’ve already received what they were due, what they were promised. No “thank yous” are needed, some veterans say. I’m no war hero. I did what I was asked to do, but nothing special,” said Sgt. First Class Ed Jarveau

Precisely my beliefs also. I served from 1969-1993 and I am a combat veteran of Vietnam and Desert Shield/Desert Storm, along with other areas that were in hostile territories in that time-frame. Those that did not come back are the true heroes and I was a volunteer in 1969, so I cannot say "I was forced". I felt a sense of civic duty because I believe, then and now, in what a great country we have in the USA. It is wonderful now, since Desert Storm that the civilian populace recognizes service members contributions, unlike the vast numbers that condemned the warriors from Vietnam War, rather than the politicians. If I had it to do over, I would still volunteer to serve my country - the USA!

To this day and beyond, I continuously "welcome home" my brothers and sisters who served, as we are all members of the same military.

I thought I was the only one who felt like this. They did pay me, after all. It feels fraudulent to accept thanks for just being a cog in the machine. Maybe if I'd done stuff like you see in the Hurt Locker or Blackhawk Down, I'd feel I deserved it, but mostly I just feel awkward.

Thanks for thinking of me though, and I'll still say, "You're welcome."

Kevin C -

Times are what they are and duties are as assigned.

i generally tell my fellow vets, welcome to a club you will be proud of ALL your life. and thank you for joining.

and then if the time and circumstance prevails itself, let them know where they can get help with any questions / programs/ assistance. we have a list of most of them at both the local VFW and American Legion. and if we dont know about whatever is on there mind ....we WILL find out.

I am a Navy veteran who served twice, once in the early '90s and again in 2000. And I'm one of those who is also bugged by the "Thank you for your service," because I, too, felt it was a job.

Granted, it's an EXCLUSIVE job... I personally saw hundreds of people flunk out of the process at MEPS (failing the physical, tests, etc.), during basic training (unable to pass the basic qualifications), during "A" school (never went to "C" school but I saw friends drop out of that, too), and in the service itself, that I didn't take my acceptance on either occasion for granted--but it's still something that I was paid to do and to which I dedicated myself just as I did towards civilian work.

But just as I'm locked in to accepting those words, any American with the slightest respect towards what the military is and what it means to this country, in terms of our history and self-preservation, is locked in to saying them. Because what should be a "given" really isn't. Not in today's world.

As a Vietnam Vet, I make it a point to thank those in uniform whenever I am traveling though airports. I remember how it felt to be spat upon, and treated like garbage, when we returned from that conflict. We were lied to, just like everyone who was sent to Iraq, but we went because we had taken an oath. Many of us truly felt that we were going to war to protect freedom, and did not learn until later that had nothing to do with why we were sent there.

I want today's soldiers to know that I, for one, appreciate the sacrifices they make in support of our country even when I don't agree with our government's motives for sending them into harm's way.

Thank you all, from the bottom of my heart.

And a heartfelt thank-you to you, sir.

Veterans and active duty: please accept the gratitude offered by joe citizen on behalf of those who are no longer around to receive their due and for those that are never offered the simple gesture. Find value in the shared civility your "job" brings to our community, our nation. I hope this will serve to ease your discomfort from receiving our thanks.

fellor Joe Citizens: perhaps we can resist the urge to maudlin displays of gratitude and instead "pay it forward" to our fellow countrymen and women. (would that congress could find this spirit of togetherness and common value/goals...)

A friend of mine and fellow veteran wrote this two years ago. I am also one of those who is proud of my service, but uncomfortable when someone says something about it. When you read this remember, Veterans are not always called to fight when they serve and for some of us that leaves a deep hole just as big those who did fight.

"Veteran's Day-

Over the years I have struggled with the definition of a Veteran. I have always been of the mindset that a Veteran is someone who goes off to a combat zone in a foreign country and puts his or her life on the line. I do not fit that personal definition of the word Veteran. During a long discussion I had with my Uncle Bud (Vietnam Vet) and my Cousin Ian (VA Psychologist), they provided me with a different point of view that provided me with some clarity on the proper definition. I don't know how receptive I would have been if Bud wasn't a combat vet and Ian had not been in his profession. So I thank them for helping me come to terms with the word.

Since then, I have been able to distinguish the differences and come to terms with my "status". This is not to say that I am not proud of my time in the Army and the National Guard. I am. I worked with great people, learned a lot and will maintain memories of those days forever. There is not a day that goes by that I don't think of someone or something that took place at Basic, AIT or Ft. Hood. The friends from those days are my friends for life. The lessons that I learned as a young soldier still help me today. I am better for it. I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything.

Today I have quietly watched as my friends from the Army have changed their profile pics to a Class A photo or BDU pic from a time that has gone by all to quickly. I see us thanking each other for our past or present service to our country and watch as we post our humble responses, if any at all. I see pride in what we all did individually and collectively regardless of the decade. While I think it is great to see all the posts from people reminding us about Veteran's Day, I only feel compelled to read, comment or "like" my friends posts that have been in uniform.

My Facebook status today was for my friends. For the ones that did something that bigger than themselves. I am tremendously proud of each of you.

Too my friends and family that are Combat Veterans, I can only say thank you and know that you are held in high regard. You are my heroes.

At the end of the day, I will probably hesitate to raise my hand in a room when asked if there are Veterans in the crowd, but I am a Veteran. And proud of it."

I guess I didn't realize that there is such a defined difference between combat infantry soldiers (FYI only 1 in six military actually face combat with the rest being support) and the others. The thanks from people fall on empty ears after you watch your fellow friends die beside you knowing they died because our political leaders took their service so lightly while fighting for failed or untrue reasons (VietNam and Iraq comes directly to mind). I know that thanks is well meaning but it is also without understanding. The people of this country re-elected a president that sent us to war on a lie in Iraq, what does that mean? Well people when you see a soldier in uniform that has that little blue rifle above his other awards on his chest you know you are looking at a combat infantry man that has laid his life on the line, think twice about what you say to these guys, their feelings of brother hood overide all other service to their country.

Not used to having total strangers get personal, not egotistical enough to think you actually stand for everyone in uniform, not trained to tolerate it... There are lots of simple reasons to feel nervous about the attention and sentiment. When I was in, they told us not to react to insults or retaliate for things like eggs being thrown at us. The uniform is designed to make you indistinguishable from the terrain and your fellow service members, but it also makes you an avatar for the service. Maybe Basic Training should be modernized include a little public-affairs component for everyone. Really, who does feel completely comfortable getting a gift out of the blue? And with this one, you give them a gift, too, by letting them express it. Just another thing your recruiter didn't tell you about.

@!$%#...I tell 'em to buy me a @!$%#in' drink if you want to "Thank me" for my service!

To all those Veterans, past and present, who served, thank you.

To all those men who so sincerely wanted to serve and like my Dad, who watched his brothers be accepted when he had a heart murmur and was rejected, thank you for the desire to serve. Many men such as my Dad instead joined the Conservation Corps and did their duty in that way.

And as this is Native American month, here are a couple of facts for Veteran's Day:

• Roughly 12,000 Native Americans volunteered to serve in the U.S. military during World War I. At the time, these men were not allowed to be U.S. citizens.

• More than 42,000 Native Americans served in the military in the Vietnam Era, and over 90 percent of these Servicemembers were volunteers.

Read more:http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/11/11/veterans-day-2012-honoring-native-american-veterans-145235 http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/11/11/veterans-day-2012-honoring-native-american-veterans-145235#ixzz2Bw68W117

It's better than being spit on like we were in '68 !

I find these Vets expressions quite refreshing. They are much more in line with the Vets of Viet Nam, Korea, and WWll. Oddly, I have met many Vets from the Gulf war through these recent wars who call themselves "Heros" and demand others do so as well. Respect them, and support their special needs, same with each other and the country, and that is all that is needed.

I am an 8-year Air Force veteran, and although I was in minor danger at times, I served at a relatively peaceful time. The guys, who really get my admiration and thanks are the ones, who had to actually fight, and risk their lives during combat, or other similar action.

Amen. You echo MY sentiments exactly. Thanks!

DLC 2LT USAF '89-93

When our generation came back from the Nam, we were for the most part abused and disrespected. I find this unacceptable, so, our comrades who are serving need better treatment. This is something I understand, and practice. Yes, I can understand it might be a little uncomfortable, but it's better than the alternative, and it what we can do to insure better treatment for those currently serving. As a matter of fact, when a non-veteran does this to me now it's really uncomfortable, appreciated, but leaves me wondering why not 40+ years ago? Those who served, yeah, it's cool, we cover our buddies back, that's something those who never served will never understand. For God and Country!

Screminmimi..

• More than 42,000 Native Americans served in the military in the Vietnam Era, and over 90 percent of these Servicemembers were volunteers.

I was one of those 42,000/90%.

I am very thankful to all veterans of the military past and present. However, as a young citizen of the USA it is becoming increasingly difficult to understand what military personnel are sacrificing their lives for.

There were times like World War 1, WW2, and some Cold War skirmishes that I understood why military force was needed. I grew up during the Middle East occupation and it is more difficult to see the USA as a reputable freedom fighter. The occupation of that region has such a gray morality that I just want the military to come back home. It more closely resembles the Vietnam War which caused quite an uproar if I am not mistaken.

I contemplated joining the military because I do think it is important to serve your country, but I think I will have a difficult time taking orders that I do not agree with. Perhaps the Peace Corps is a better place for me.

To get back to the point, I will be forever grateful to those that serve in the military. Even if you don't consider it to be a brave sacrifice, I do. Veterans deserve much better than what they get from the government. My thanks will be sincere and not a weak social gesture that I feel compelled to do. Hopefully you can tell when someone is sincere.

jack from Jax

Precisely my beliefs also. I served from 1969-1993 and I am a combat veteran of Vietnam and Desert Shield/Desert Storm, along with other areas that were in hostile territories in that time-frame. Those that did not come back are the true heroes and I was a volunteer in 1969, so I cannot say "I was forced".

I felt a sense of civic duty because I believe, then and now, in what a great country we have in the USA.

People are simply thankful to the people who are protecting our country and freedom, whether you came back or not, and whether you left body parts or not. My own father was in the Navy and my grandfather in the military and I know eventho as you said you are doing your job, it is also not an easy job, for the ones who do the job, and for their families, and it is because of people like you if this country is so great. I am also thankful to our firefighters, to our policemen and women, etc.

You should be thanked for all the above (your comment) and even for your sense of civic duty, which unfortunately not all of us have.

I will not go up to someone to say this but hopefully it won't make you feel uneasy if I say this online: Thank you for your service, thank you for doing your job, thank you for protecting this great country and democracy. God bless

Even though I am now 56 years old I still consider myself as an Army brat. To all Vets and active service men and women, Please do not feel that ALL the Thank you's are unfelt or just word that people say. My dad was in the military for 30 years, he served in Viet Nam, and our Solder's then did not get a thank you or so much as a welcome home. They were spit on or had things thrown at them, So yes I do say THANK YOU when I see a uniform because I know what it's like to live a military life. But please Thank the families of these brave men and women to. Why you ask. To the Mothers who had to be both mom and dad for a year or 2,Thanks for supporting us kid's for football games when dad was away or taking all those picture of ballet recitals to send to dad so he could be a part of it.Yes mom we could hear you crying at night for missing the man you loved but putting on that ever so beautiful brave face on for us kid's. Thank you to the son's and daughter's of these fine brave men who have been taunted by fellow class mates who put them down because their Father's volunteered to fight for all peoples freedom. I can't say how the families of today's solders are treated, but I do know that when I was in school we were put down and was told our fathers were "baby killers, junkies or beat up" because our father were in Viet Nam. So from one soldiers daughter ...THANK YOU for all you sacrifice for home and COUNTRY.....

I spent 20 years in the Navy and served from Vietnam through to the 1st Gulf War. I am very proud of my service, but as others have said above I get uncomfortable being thanked by people for my service. I still remember going through LAX wearing my Navy dress blue uniform after coming back from Southeast Asia and being kicked, spit on, and called war mongering baby killer by long haired anti-war morons! This was despite having a medical symbol on my sleeve. That left a bitter and lasting impression.

Mustangcat, you 100% on the money. To me the unsung heroes deserving the thanks are the military spouses. They are the ones that have bear the burdens of their spouses being deployed. Taking care of the families, the kids, the house. I thank God every day for my wife of almost 40 years. When we married, she knew what she was signing on for. She never complained. She may not have liked some aspects of my career, but she accepted them as part of the package. She stayed with me all this time. She held me during the night when the nightmares came and generally put up with quite a bit. If not for the love of this wonderful woman, I would probably be in jail or have put a bullet in my head.

It may sound strange but I can sincerely thank other vets for their service but I still have trouble accepting it from others. Either way, a happy Veterans Day to all.

I think the ;'feeling uncomfortable' goes to the fact that we did our job,and we in the military ALL know of others who lost more than we did..Even though I'm disabled after 3 deployments,I count myself blessed to still be here and be mobile,because I lost 4 friends that are not here today to walk around,and yell at the football games with me........there was an old saying that;"..I cried when I had no shoes,...until I met a man with no feet..."...............U.S. Army Disabled Veteran

I enlisted in the Army in 1971 and retired in 1992. I too was one of those who served during both Vietnam and Desert Storm and witnessed the difference in how we were treated. But, I was one of the lucky ones who was never sent to a combat zone. In fact, at the assignment I was at when Desert Storm started, we were told in writing that any request submitted by any of us to be reassigned to Desert Storm would be returned with no action taken. We were essentially frozen in place for the duration. Being thanked for my service when I know I was never in harm's way does me make feel awkward, inadequate. But I humbly accept that thank you for all those brothers and sisters who were placed in harm's way, especially those who are unable to hear it.

From the day that I "won the lottery" (sarcasm) and received my Selective Service Card; until present, I have always felt that it was my Civic Duty of US Citizenship to Serve in the US Military.

Many do not know that there was NEVER a "Peacetime" US Military for some of us, ever since the end of Vietnam. US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone, leading those we trained into Combat; and most everything between until currently President Obama's Secret Wars.

It was never about the Awards (most of which were classified until the missions were declassified), never about the Pay (below minimum wages, way lower than most Civilian Jobs), nor any form of earned compenstion (Vietnam GI Bill, Montgomery GI Bill, etc.). What I got was the priceless experience of Real Teamwork (not like Sports), use of Critical Leadership, lots of Real World experience to survive, of course training future generations and a US Military Family of choice, not by accident of birth.

To my Band of Brothers and Sisters, Thank You For Your Service, self sacrifices and enduring personal hardships. Humbly accept my appreciation, know that you are being thanked also on behalf of those that never made it home.

Most who have been here a while know I have given my Military credentials a few times, usually in answer to a question, or just to shut someone up, but typically I'm not really interested in thank you from civilians. Other Military members, fine, but I find lots of civilians (those who never served) talking out the side of their necks.

I joined the US Army Infantry in February 1970 and spent 34+ years, I did it because I enjoyed it, was paid for it, was promised a pension, if I survived....LOL, and of course in protection of my Country. Nothing more, nothing less. Truthfully, I don't even participate in the Veterans Day free restaurant food.

I don't think there's a Veteran I know who would not have kicked some ass if they were spit on. I've known/know men who are capable of killing without batting an eye, and I'd be damn if any of them would walk away if spit on.

I'm a different breed, not arrogant, not an @!$%#, just someone who doesn't play many games, or put up with much bull@!$%#.

From one Veteran, to my Brother Veterans…..Hooah!!

Before joining the Marines, as I grew up, I loved studying the history of this country, especially how it was founded, the American Revolution through the struggles of the Civil War. The long line of those who have worn the uniform of soldier stretches far back. I had the chance to travel the width and breath of this nation and have seen so many of the places of great historical battles and turning points, including the Alamo. Where one could almost swear when you closed your eyes, the sounds of battle are to be heard still echoing down the corridor of years.

I stood where Washington's soldiers were buried, in freezing winter,too weakened waiting for supplies in Boston. Could they have dreamed what their country would look like more than two hundred years in the future some day? Or Gettysburg, where 46,000-51,000 casualties occurred in just a few days. The Great War to end all wars and WW2,those who fought called the greatest generation.I could not help but cry seeing all those graveyards with filled silent stones. Reminders of young men sent too soon into eternity.The lesson was clear however, the love of patriot for this country was deep.

We Americans have a treasure of freedoms worth defending at any cost, and it has been purchased with the blood of some of the greatest souls to ever be born.It is a shame some ridicule those who seem too patriotic. While others give up entirely on America and insult and put her down. They don't understand what they are saying. For they haven't had to pay the cost.What is freely given is often despised.

Perhaps that is why, when I hear people thanking me,I always express my appreciation for the offer but inside pass it on. For humbly in my mind I see one of those headstones, one of those battlefields covered in sweet grass. Recall friends wounded or who have passed away. They truly gave so much more than I did. I am just a symbol, for those who deserved that thanks. Who could never be thanked enough for exchanging youth and life. So I and my family, my relatives and kinfolk could continue to enjoy the precious gifts of freedom and liberty peculiar to this nation. And I keep remembering, many have fallen,who have no one to remember them. So I make sure to keep them in mind beyond just one day a year. Call me batty, but I whisper thanks when I pass old vet graves

.My country gave me the opportunity to share some of my life serving her. How much greater an honor could I have? Thank you to all vets long time past, recent and today. May grace attend you, peace surround, and love bless you everyday.And if there be some which mock or deride, just remember.You are part of the bravest our nation has.

WOW!

This article and these comments are absolutely eye-popping to me! From my perspective, I have several family members/friends who have served, I know how our soldiers were treated when they returned home from Vietnam (before my time) and was always disgusted by that. Adding to the mix, I was at a very impressionable age on 9/11/01, and that lone event changed my entire perspective on life and the world. As a result, one thing I always do is take time to thank vets and will continue to do so. The difference now is, I will probably ask if there is anything specific I can do or an organization I can help that I am not currently aware of.

May I request that those who feel uneasy give people who thank you the benefit of the doubt? After all, they don't HAVE to say it and could just walk by as so many people do these days without even making an effort to say hello, let alone make eye contact unless it is for the purpose of glaring at someone! I for one am ALWAYS sincere, and I hope that has been apparent in my encounters.

I'm so sorry to hear those of you who have posted feel this way, but I am glad to know! It was always my experience that my family/friends who saw combat never really wanted to discuss it. It does sound to me as I read so many comments refer back to the fallen and more severely injured, though, that there may be a little too much humility and/or survivor's guilt going on. I realize much of that is just the nature of soldiers, but I urge you to give yourselves more credit! No matter what you have or haven't done in your military careers, you still made the decision to protect our homeland and freedoms - paid or unpaid - at any cost, including your life. That alone deserves to be recognized and commended!

I do understand your feelings better now, however. I have always been one who would rather know how people feel about things early on instead of just letting things fester to the point of resentment, so may I suggest you do something along the lines of making up little business-type cards with a list of people/organizations that you would like to see have more support? This way, when someone thanks you, if you still feel that way, you have the opportunity to say something along the lines of, "Thanks for your gratitude! Here are some heroes that deserve your support as well!" and hand them the card?

I see that as a win all around! Hopefully, you will find joy in directing help towards those you feel deserve additional assistance, people in general will become more educated about what the needs are in that area (local vs. national organizations, for example?), and our heroes who are in need of more assistance will have a greater chance of getting it!

I hope my thoughts come across with the highest degree of sincerity and respect; sometimes that gets lost in written words vs. face to face discussions. I do want to thank ALL who have served and now serve our country. I realize it is impossible to have a "happy" Veteran's Day for those who are mourning the loss of a family member or friend, so I will instead wish you all a day filled with pride over the job you have done for the rest of us and that you will have/find peace. We wouldn't be the greatest nation on the planet without you!

Beside society having no class now we are dealing with people who lack graciousness.The Viet Nam Vets would have loved for people to acknowledge their service and thank them.I guess the younger ones serving are arrogant,thin skinned and just downright ungrateful all because somebody wants them to know that they are thankful for those who choose to serve.

justacleaninglady;...I don't think anyone here is ungrateful at being recognized,...maybe it comes off that way to you,but while I can't speak for all Vets,but there is an uncomforable,or sheepish feeling,just in knowing that WE made it home,however banged up,WE SURVIVED,..and just by the fact that even though we did make it home,we recognize that there were others in worse shape than us,or who did NOT make it home...It's more of a respect thing that I believe all in uniform have for each other....we did our job,..and most of us got lucky enough to return home to talk about it.......I would like to thank again,all who have publicly thanked me......Thank You................U.S. Army Disabled Veteran

.... I don't know where they found these guys who are uneasy or feel strangely about being thanked for their service. As a cold-war vet, I was blessed to never have had to fire a weapon at anyone, but we were right there as a deterrent to keep the USSR from running Europe over, so I'm always glad to hear a thank you for serving. I don't understand the sentiment of being indignant about someone offering thanks to you for serving our great country. Would these individuals rather get spit on or harassed, as so many Viet Nam vets did?...

I do understand the unease some of the current soldiers feel when people they don't know say thank you. You wonder to yourself are your deserving - better men didn't come home and worse men got promoted. Fate is fickle some times.

I've been out of the military for several years; years in which the only time someone wanted to hear anything about my time in service was usually fitted around the same question - "What did it feel like to kill someone"?

For me, it was a question which no one should ask - ever. Its something you may tell someone, after years of real friendship, not a subject that you dredge up on command to entertain someones curiosity. For me it was like getting a BB gun for Christmas. You go out shooting at birds. you curse yourself missing them -until one day - finally get good at hitting your "target". Then, you have to go pick up what you shot - it hits you that you shot something which was not really doing anything to deserve it. Then you feel worse because you let it "get" to you. I didn't get any medals or honors - other than my discharge papers and some qualifications, awards - which mean nothing on a resume.

Here I am many years away from that part of my past. Sometimes I let some one get me to me, I get angry over something trivia, for instance - a door ding in a parking lot. inconsiderate but nothing big in the scope life and death ... but for an instinctual second or so - there's a moment of cold, calculated rage.

That "switch" is engaged - disconnecting us from being in the World. Funny thing about my group of soldiers, we seldom talked about going home - we would talk about going back "To the World" - a mythical place were food was plentiful and you could walk around without recon or looking for exits, before sitting down.

So, I get in the car, drive to a park and think of Friends who didn't come home.

I remain grateful for having served, it taught me a lot about myself. I learned things which I had hoped my son would never have to learn. He went in the service right after HS. I was and remain proud of him. there are some nights when I wonder where I went wrong.

When he was a toddler, the wife wanted our bedroom door open and unlocked... so she could hear if he woke in the night. I can't sleep comfortably unless the house is locked down - ghosts from the past...prevent finding peace unless there is no one around, then I can rest. Not on my watch will anyone or anything catch me napping.

So, when people say thank you - I feel conflicted I say "I appreciate your courtesy.." - and leave quickly, I don't want to wait around for someone to ask "That question, today". There are a host of fallen friends who ask me that question all the time and I haven't found an answer for them yet either.

justwonderin,I can see your side to this but I am a people person.Just smile graciously and say thank you.Strike up a conversation with these people.When I see these young guys in uniform I strike up a conversation with them.I find out how many times they've been back to the middle east and ask them what they are going to do in the future,be it civilian life or career military. I've met quite a lot of nice young men and their spouses.I always thank them for serving due to the guys now days enlisting and not be drafted.They didn't have to but they did knowing full well what they were getting into and I feel strongly that people should thank them and engage them in conversation.The ones I've met are actually beaming with a smile when I say adieu. I rarely got a thank you at ATT and rarely get one now from customers.I know that I'm just doing my job but I am gracious and love to be thanked.

toughcrowd: Don't feel bad for thanking us, just don't be surprised when we feel we don't deserve it. We're confused, not angry. Cleaning lady who posted after you doesn't have a clue.

"...for some of us, ever since the end of Vietnam. US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq ..."

My bitch is with the phonies and those who get carried away blowing their part-time horns - the 'Look At Me, Kiss My Ass, I'm a Veteran' gang.

Beoweolf

"I've been out of the military for several years; years in which the only time someone wanted to hear anything about my time in service was usually fitted around the same question - "What did it feel like to kill someone"?"

My husband has never cleaned the suit he came home in. He wants it displayed at his funeral. The dried spit is still there. He served twice to keep his brother out of the war zone of Vietnam. He was screamed at, in the airport. Multiple times. Once, the young person screaming, was yelling profanity about killing a baby. They were wearing "peace beads".

I have never asked what happened there. He has shared tiny bits and pieces. I listen quietly when he talks. I don't probe for more than he wants to share. The war still haunts his dreams. Daytime too. As you describe, in backing out your car. He will hear a news story, and start to weep for the lost souls of the time. Other times, he will hear a story, and begin locking down the house. The PTSD will never, ever leave him, till the day he dies.

When the first warriors returned from Desert Storm, he could not go to the parade. He was hurt that the current warriors were getting adulation's. I convinced him to come with me to the second parade. As the second group passed us by, he asked me to pull the car in behind them. He went, and watched the release of duty ceremony. He looked at me, and said, "We were kicked out one at a time. There was no crowds. There was no cheers. Only leering stares and evil questions."

I think today, we that went through that... we are determined that no soldier return not feeling welcome, and the love. That does not make the transition to civilian life easier maybe. But for certain, it does not make it harder.

Ohh, Lordy Lord! (hands waving in air) I will never thank another solider again! </Sar>

I hate this article, it makes more civilians feel uneasy. The people have been expected to say "Thank you" for many years now.

Dearest Veterans and active Service members:

Happy Veterans day.

I am a woman. I do not have to serve my country. I am simply in awe of those of you who CHOOSE to risk their lives for their country...for US. And being a woman who does not have to serve, I am hyper aware of that fact when I am around people who are serving or did serve. You risked something, yes, by choice often, but yes you risked somethign that would not be asked of me.

It humbles me. Most if not all of you did this out of a sense of patriotism. You stepped up to serve the American people, to serve US.

So when I find myself face to face with someone who has done that I find it very difficult NOT to acknowledge the fact. When I say "thank you for your service" I am thinking of the act of stepping up out of love for all of us, for our country. NOT to acknowledge that you did that seems selfish to me.

I suspect that is where most people's "thank you for your service" comes from. I can't imagine it's just being PC ever...ie that it could every be simply a social pleasantry. At least where I am from, and I suspect in most places nowadays, so few do serve percentage wise that those of us who do not feel a bit in awe of what you stepped up to do.

It is the WILLINGNESS to put self in harms way for love of country that we are thanking you for, I think for most people and definetely for me. I want some way to acknowledge that even if you feel you just did your duty and your job. Even if others ended up hurt, maimed, killed. You still deserve acknowledgement for your decision to step up FOR US.

When we see a Veteran or active duty person, we know that there they are having stepped up to do something FOR US. We who are thanking you know you are doing something FOR US so feel compelled to acknowledge that you chose that.

IS there some way that you can take thanks and let it make you feel GOOD rather than uncomfortable? IS there some way better that I could explain the above briefly in my thanks so servicemembers and Veterans would feel good?

THe thanks for me, maybe for many, is an act of integrity. We see you we feel the need to acknowledge the FACT that your choice contains a potential sacrifice and it is on OUR behalf. Not acknowledging you feels SELFISH. Yet, to cause you pain or discomfort is certainly more upsetting than not acknowledging you.

What can we say that would feel good? Maybe if many servicemembers and Veterans understood that we appreciate your love our country and desire to stand up for us they'd feel good?

It is a healthy, good impulse in general for our country that people want to acknowledge the FACT that there are others standing up for them.

You are or did stand up for us. WE appreciate it. How can we convey that to you without hurt?

Ag99 I have a clue.and on Veterans Day you may thank my father and the other World War II Vets who lay in their graves.Nobody thanked these guys and nobody thanked the Viet Nam Vets.Maybe people are trying to say that they don't take their freedoms for granted by saying thank you.

I didn't do it to protect freedom. I did it for the college money and that's it. Now I have dead Iraqis on my conscience for the rest of my life, but at least I got an education. Want to thank me? End war.

Sorry.

I retired from the USMC three+ years ago. I am always uneasy and uncomfortable when someone says, "Thank you for your service" to me. I also hate being in public settings when "they" say, "Stand and be recognized" if you're a veteran.

And, I REALLY hate that Lee Greenwood song.

I second you on the Lee Greenwood song.

One of the (I think legit) reasons that I am uncomfortable being thanked for my service is because of the negative reaction to vets. Look at some other NBC comments in other veteran-related articles and you'll see how many people resent us for getting the G.I. Bill, for receiving special treatment, etc. There is an open prejudice towards vets, particularly against those that didn't serve in combat zones, and only limited respect for those that did (lumped in with the, "Hey, I didn't ask you to join/you're stupid to have joined" or "The military serves no purpose" remarks). I read those remarks, and I am left feeling like I have to justify myself for not having been in a war zone and "only" being support staff.

I served active-duty. Twice. My ambition was to be an officer, and I had a B.A. when I first entered the service, but without sufficient mathematics behind me, I couldn't pass the OCS test. Nevertheless, I chose to enter the military and serve in an enlisted status, on two separate occasions, for the sake of my country. On neither occasion was the experience "not worth it."

I'm not sure if ANYBODY on their first day of basic is looking to be a 'hero'. We have simply done what calls us. Phone calls from friends and family to me (former Marine) that 'thank' me for my service on this day are met with total flattery....

War or no war we would all do the same thing....Democrat/Republican President = not a difference.

Those that have NEVER 'served' have completely missed a true lifetime experience.

Ya. it does make me feel awkward when every other person stops and says "Thank You." But I just tell myself its better to hear a "Thank You" then some of the other awful things people and say about our military members.

Its awkward because its hard to know what to say back, and your not used to a thank you while on duty. Your more used to people getting pissed off at you for little things. I just say, thank you for your appreciation. Because I will do my service whether its appreciated or not, but its always nice to know that it is.

I am a Vietnam era vet that served on a Nuclear missle submarine in the north atlantic. I was in the Navy 5 days after i turned 17, i thought it was my Duty to Stand up for those who couldnt and those who wouldnt. So for myself a thank you was never expected or desired. But the First time i ever got a thank you was When my Son graduated from boot , and they asked all the vets to stand, then the speaker called for a round of applause to show their thanks. I tell you my wife made me stand i didnt want to, like lots have said here i was just doing my job, i dont talk about what happened in the north atlantic during the early 70s even to this day. I think alot of people dont want to know the truth,and i figure its best to just keep it to myself. But i am so proud when i can say to other vets and even my son who is now a vet, HAVE A GREAT VETERANS DAY. And we pat each other and shake hands and sometimes even hug each other ,and we Smile with Pride for we ARE a BAND OF BROTHERS. For we know the good we all did and do no matter what some may think or say to the contrary, and maybe thats why its easierto take thanks from a brother vet we have all been there . And those who have not been there Will Die ashamed old men in their beds that they were not there with us . We few we proud we band of Brothers. Happy Veterans Day To You All My Brothers.

Morriss, you are deluded and misguided and have not understood a single thing the vets here have tried to say. You got it totally wrong. The fact is that most vets never expected anything other than just to be able to get on with their lives. I sincerely pity you in your ignorance!

just a 'peacetime' mid-80s navy vet but yes,i have thanked a few for thanking me,and alot of vets for the same and still feel weird when i get a compliment.just shows a bit*&^ng sailor was a happy one.(once).now,whats for mid-rats!

The people have been expected to say "Thank you" for many years now.

Morriss,

This is exactly the problem. Too many say "thanks" out some sense of obligation, and not because they are thankful. Believe me when I tell you it is not that hard to tell the difference.

I served 8 years in the Army, and as my screenname implies, I have no small amount of pride in that fact. I was both infantry and support over the course of my time in service, and oddly enough I spent much more time in combat as support personnel than I did as an infantryman.

I think the thing to take away from this is simple: If you truly and earnestly are sincere, do not hesitate to say thanks. If you are saying it out of some sense of obligation rather than honest gratitude, then please keep it to yourself.

I usually tell people that seem sincere, I really appreciate that, but I don't deserve your thanks, I'm just a guy who did his job, you should really thank my wife and kids, they put up with at least as much hell as I did, and they didn't sign up for this sh!t as I did.

I served for 13 years. 9 years in the Army Reserves and 4 years in the Arkansas Army National Guard. I did spend 1 year in Germany as an LPN taking care of wounded from Iraq. But I never went to Iraq, I was supposed to go in 2008 but was disqualified from going because my knees were too messed up.

I never got to save a live in Iraq and never had to be in combat. I don't feel like I did much at all for the 13 years I was in. I think of all the others who did get to go to Iraq and fight and the ones that didn't come back home or the ones that lost limbs over there. They are the real hero's.

So when I was in uniform and was shopping after drill, if someone came up to me to say thank you, it did make me feel weird. It happened 2 or 3 times, one time this wonderfully nice older lady came up to me and gave me flowers as well as said thank you. After that I did stop shopping in my uniform.

I did appreciate the thank you's, but didn't really feel like I earned them. Even now here at home, I don't mention my service to others that I work with. Because I sort of feel like I didn't do my part.

When I was in the military it was weird to hear the thank you but kind-of nice, I think it is because in the military we never get thanked to say the least for doing our job no matter what the job may be that day, we just are expected to do it no questions asked. After I was out of the military I was injured with a spine injury and people would thank me but i felt it was pity and would think, for what getting hurt? Now when I see a soldier i thank them for there sacrifice and their families too. For the incredible amount of hours, pain, bull@!$%# and time they are away from their families. I think something should be said, I still don't know what.

I thanked my Marines. Both in ordinary interaction and, when the situation warranted, with official recognition ranging from a mention in the daily staff meeting to certificates, medals, meritorious promotions, and special fitness reports. But now that I think of it, my superiors didn't do the same. Maybe that's why I never quite fit in with those identified as "hard-chargers." That now seems like a euphemism for "flashy and selfish."

34 year veteran here, still serving and I usually give a polite "It's my pleasure" to any thanks I receive. I find it very heartening that the civilian public recognizes that very quickly after 9/11, we all went into harms way to give retribution to the ones that deserved it and second, to let all americans know that we are here to protect our way of life

20 year Navy veteran here, retired in 2000. Operation Earnest Will, Desert Storm, Southern Watch, 3 tours in the Middle East. I hear it a lot. The feeling I have is humility; I feel humbled to have been blessed with such a great career and the appreciation of a greatful nation. That is, right up to the point I became a convicted felon and the DA's office couldn't have cared less for my service - never even bothered to check on the possibility I might have PTSD, etc.

"For those who fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know."

14 years Army. Yes, I used to feel uncomfortable when there was a Thank You given to me as an individual. I finally realized that I was just a face representing all the men and women, ever, in any branch of the service, not the particular target of their appreciation. There is no way to respond to the thanks as anything but an individual so I just accept it knowing that everybody who has ever served has that persons respect.

Thank you, all of you.

MajorMike - I thanked my Marines. Both in ordinary interaction and, when the situation warranted, with official recognition ranging from a mention in the daily staff meeting to certificates, medals, meritorious promotions, and special fitness reports. But now that I think of it, my superiors didn't do the same. Maybe that's why I never quite fit in with those identified as "hard-chargers." That now seems like a euphemism for "flashy and selfish."

And that distingushed you as a Real Leader, with Earned Respect; instead of your "superiors" eye wash and flash and trash.

That is why ever since the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone; I have always, Lead From the Front, regardless of Grade (much to the hatred of my "superiors" and peers, as this makes them "look bad"), to Earn the respect of my Teams (those that kept me from making stup!d deadly mistakes).

As their "Old Man", I thank them for allowing me to Lead them, as the sometimes Dysfunctional US Military Family of my choice, not accident of birth.

This is even more evidence of how truly remarkable our Military is. I respect them to a depth I find difficult to define. They care.

OK, guys, I won't say "thank you" to you, but do you mind if I say thank God for you? It's not even so much that you are in the Military.

For me, I am reminded that there are some incredibly decent folks in the world, regardless of the reason. I personally need to know that.

So there. (hugs)

MajorMike, this is one old Corpsman who would have been proud to have someone like you as a C.O. As a senior Navy Petty Officer or Staff NCO, I was always trained to and believed in leading by example and that respect is always earned and not given. I always tried to do that with my own troops. You treat people the way you would expect to treated.

Trust me, it makes our day. It also makes us remember all the MIAs and those who died and didn't get to hear you say that. At least for some of us.

Perhaps sometimes that "awkward" feeling is survivor's guilt. Two people, doing nothing wrong (or doing their job, as others have stated), standing together - in a second that changes, you are physically mostly OK, you try to save your friend or maybe it's someone you didn't know well, they die next to you, or in your arms while you try to save them. I wouldn't wish survivor's guilt on my worst enemy.

That said: Around 2006 or so, I was waiting for a bus to take me to another terminal at an airport, there were perhaps 15 Marines in uniform - standing together & talking quietly, the room was huge - 50x50 feet, there were approximately 40-50 civilians also waiting for the buses. The room was like the Grand Canyon - the civilians were literally huddled on top of each other giving the Marines a 20 foot birth. It was very strange.
I felt sorry for the Marines because they were so excluded - I thought that maybe people just didn't know what to say but I didn't understand the physical divide.

I ended up on the same bus as the Marines, as a 4'11'' female, I'm not an imposing figure - the bus was the same, civilians huddled in the back, the Marines in the front and myself in no-man's-land. It was SO awkward. I didn't know what to say but I thought about friends who died next to me, too young, no reason for my survival, just luck - so I asked: "Are you leaving or coming home?" The only officer in the group didn't bother looking at me, but one Marine said that they were home for good. I then said, "I'm happy you made it home safely, and I'm very sorry for your friends who didn't." The officer looked at me, they all did, one hugged me - they all said "Thank you." I was glad I said something - no I don't feel special because I did, but I told the truth, I was sorry for those who were not there and I was happy they, as fellow human beings, were home safely (I didn't/don't support the war but this wasn't about the war) - it was though, so awkward that people wouldn't stand by them...it wasn't because they disliked the troops, it was unexplainable to me?

Boozer the only turd I see is the one spouting about your 70% disability and only feeling special when someone goes out of their way to make you feel special. The the real heroes are the ones that live with survivors guilt and spend ever waking day trying to cope with PTSD and the memories of their brothers blood on their hands and the sound of the relentless mortars and gun fire. The ones who cannot go out into crowds without the feeling of sheer panic. They feel uncomfortable because they do not want the thanks but they want people to get out and make sure our veterans are taken care of. Over the years many men feel it is an empty thanks because the American people have not had to sacrifice their comforts. Voting in a congress that does nothing but vote down vet bills and cut programs calling it welfare programs for vets. You Sir are the Turd for thinking you deserve a thanks just because you are 70% disabled. My husband cannot stand Beta males like yourself. Airborne all the way, lets go!

Wow Ashley, my husband died on active duty- would that qualify as good enough for you? BTW, in the service of your country how disabled are you? Or are you just another know it all wifey talking out of your AZZ? I thank your husband and wish he would advise you on being a ungrateful, loudmouth jerk. I am also a disabled military retiree. Trust me, I don't want jack from you, unless you would like to shut up your ignorant pie hole.

Oh, and I do remember. I remember leaving Seattle after coming back and was vilified. Waiting for a flight out of LAX, the glares. Hell, there were members of my own family that shunned me. I agree Boozer, they need to reassess themselves. And, thanks for your sacrifice. I came home with only a small piece of shrapnel. You live with it everyday.

As for me, a huge thank you to all comrades in arms. I hope the sacrifices made are not in vain.

@Maingear - I meant for my reply to come after yours but it's up at #4.2 ... I witnessed that shunning once at an airport, I still don't understand it. Strangers were literally packing themselves close together despite more than ample space - just to leave a 20ft chasm between themselves and a small group of Marines....I didn't hear any disparaging remarks, the room was usually silent as well...it was so strange, I don't have the answer as to what caused people to act that way.

Yes and those folks who did that at LAX and other airports are classless people.The majority of Americans welcomed the Viet Nam Vets home and were disgusted with the government for sending our young men there in the first place.We lost a few of young men from our high school who had bright futures ahead of them but being football players they were drafted into the Marines.One was MIA until a couple years back when his remains were found.It was just tragic and so I thank every service person I see.I'm glad that they made it back.

Not sure you can say most people welcomed home the Vietnam Vets. Wasn't just LAX. And Veterans own families!!! treated them poorly. My mother was fired from her job because she was pregnant with me while my father was in Vietnam and she couldn't "prove" she wasn't an unwed mother to be. Sick things happened to people who gave up so much. This was in the midwest, not LAX, and those veterans deserve our thanks.

How else is one to show appreciation for their service and sacrifice?

My family and I (Wife, Son, Daughter-in-law, 3 Grandkids, ages 6-13) do volunteer work for groups and organizations that help Veterans. We give financial donations to USO and DAV. Being a Marine, I'm familiar with the discomfort of "Thank you for your service", so we don't say it. "Welcome home", or "Have a nice day" works for us. Many Veterans will recognize respect and appreciate it more than a thank you.

Saying thank you is out of respect. It is just one of many ways to show it. I give to the Wounded Warrior Project. I've had two uncles, a brother and two Grand Fathers serve starting with WWII.

I don't think finding six soldiers that say it makes them uncomfortable represents the majority. Typical MSN non-story.

Tim W.-1074098 - Their job entails just a tad bit more commitment than delivering the mail or flipping a burger.

Not really, only 1% of US Citizens are currently Serving in the US Military. This means in most cases months or more of NO free weekends off, Being thousands of miles away from the help of your Family or Friends, and unlike previous Conventional Wars there are NO safe "rear areas" during the current Asymmetric Wars. In our case living with the locals for years of consecutive tours.

And it is not the case that you can just turn in a letter of resignation and go home; like after delivering the mail or flipping burgers, as they do not have to accept your letter of resignation, retirement packet, etc. (as a matter of fact from experience the more you want out, the more they will do to keep you).

We've had lots of Naval enlistees in our family.They all said that they were unappreciated while they served.My father was World War II army and had nothing nice to say about those in command.If I were a rich woman I'd buy every VET I met a meal and see what else could I do for them.

I second what -Volly said, I could not have said it better myself.

I am a vietnam vetran and had two tours there, was wounded three times, And when I got state-side the protesters were waiting on us I was spit on called a baby killer and a drug addict so when some one thanks me I get a cold feeling inside I remember what they done to me when I got home...

My husband was on his second tour in Vietnam when he got killed serving as an adviser in the Mekong Delta. One night his group got ambushed, the people we were advising almost all ran off, only the interpreter stayed with the two Americans, all three got executed pretty much.

I had a 6month old son and a 5 year old girl at the timel. To this day I have not gotten over the treatment the Vietnam Vet got. I wish somebody could tell me how. I am happy the soldiers are treated and looked upon differently now, still seeing it has opened old wounds. I wonder if anybody else goes thru these conflicting feelings.

Silver, I'm sorry about what you had to go through after Vietnam, some people are just plain stupid.

I thank you for your service and God bless.

My husbands cousin was a medic in the Marines, who reenlisted when he came back from Nam the first time against his parents wishes, as he was their only son.He did not make it back from his second tour.I'm sorry that people treated you this way.I'm glad that you made it back.

Just a cleaning lady, you should check with your family so that you have the story straight going forward, the marines don't have any medical personnel, that is supplied by the Navy. I am sorry to hear of your family's loss.

todd,He was a medic attending to Marines.his name is on the Viet Nam memorial wall.the list of casualty's from that war list him as a Medic serving the Marines.I have the facts.

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I remember traveling across country by bus in uniform and a station in ILL.. There was (to me) an old disabled WW1 vet begging money more grateful that someone in uniform spent a couple hours to talk with him than he was for the couple dollars to eat. I also remember a small town in Colorado where a 17 year old traveling in uniform (myself) ended up in a local bar where the locals bought his food and drink and would not accept a penny in return. I remember being on home on leave with orders for overseas when I recieved a draft notice and a fortune teller and tarot cards predicting I would never live to be 30 years old. Alot of memories good and bad about my fellow citizens.

Hey,I'm a Californian and my brother,cousin and nieces husband were all Navy and all stationed where you were during Viet Nam,Desert Storm and Iraq.We are a mellow bunch of people.Don't judge all Californians because of those jerks. I am glad that you missed Nam by the skin of your teeth and I bet your family is too.

“A Soldier is someone who at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to their country for an amount up to, and including their life.”

As one who has signed the above mentioned check, as did my wife, (the country cashed hers), I have to disagree with you, thank yous are deserved, nay required, " from anyone who has never fulfilled a citizens obligation to serve for the continued existence of something greater than themselves."

Thank you for your service, and welcome home.

Yep, I think a lot of guys felt this way. It was a strange time in the life of the 60's. One thing that was making very little sense was that you had to be 21 to vote but you could be drafted at 18, now that was maddening. We changed that and we got rid of the draft....only to have the government "draft" the National Guard. I hated the draft but one thing it did do was bring kids in the military from every walk of life...including politicans who continue to hawk war for $$$ with no kid in the game. Why would we re-elect a president who took us to war in Iraq on a lie? That ain't much of a thank you to our vets is it.

However, we kept a President who still has us in Afghanistan and is starting another war with Libya.

Actually, most of us (66%), were volunteers.

Tim W.-1074098
However, we kept a President who still has us in Afghanistan and is starting another war with Libya.

Here we go with the bull@!$%#...

If Bush would have left us in Afghanistan we very probably would not be there now, but no, Bush had to launch his illegal raid into Iraq for personal reasons, he and Cheney.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), this group was founded in 2003 as a reaction to the US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq. Al-Queda, and the Taliban started out as Afghanistan warriors, not Iraqi.

Start another war with Libya.....man, where do you dudes come from? Since you made that statement, I'm sure you're ok with starting a war in Iran, correct?

A few weeks ago, I was on the D train from Brooklyn to Grand St. (Chinatown where my acupuncturist/herbalist is)...it was rush hour, I was standing near the door next to a man who was homeless - but only to a person who works with homeless - he was neat, gear (life) packed perfectly - I was interested in the paper he was reading - a NY murder that I had followed...we started a conversation over the paper - we laughed, we talked about the murder as well as Vietnam (he wore a 'Nam hat)- we talked about the wild growing weed, the opium addicts who didn't make it ("out right," as he said)... the conversation contents are not important, we both smiled, laughed, remembered (without speaking) those we had lost and talked...a packed train looked at the older male, African-American Veteran and the the height challenged (female, duh) Latina, who both managed to have a conversation packed with smiles, laughter and insight on the news.

People are people ....I'll never forget that ride, it went by fast thanks to good company...Richard - thank you for our laughter, smiles & a wonderful NYC subway ride! You are a hero!

harold

volunteers?? dont flatter yourselves

when the reserves and national guard were called up that skewed the numbers to look like there were primarily volunteers fighting the war

there were many that joined the national guard and reserves in hopes to avoid viet nam duty altogether. i know i tried that ploy but the guard and reserve in my area was full up

You weren't asked, but you still served. There were others who ran and hid, you didn't. You deserve it so,

Thank you for your service, and welcome home.

miklkit,Great post and I agree with the draft being brought back.